<div dir="auto">Dear Brother Folayan<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes this is the best way as we can not fight our governments. We can only engage them through all channels available like AFGWG and others.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Afrinic CEO already promised he shall organise open discussions at the AIS which is fantastic initial progress on how to go about this issue.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We welcome all the initiatives that shall promote open dialogue and awareness.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We should also reach out to different ISOC chapters in our countries and even ISOC day is another avenue to discuss such concerning matters.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best Regards,<br><br>Tutu Ngcaba<br>Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>South Africa<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 6:11 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Colleagues,</p>
<p>This is a very reasonable proposition, consistent with the
principles that guide us. <br>
</p>
<p>I shall bring it to the attention of the Board, to explore ways
that AFRINIC through the AfGWG can galvanize our engagement with
Governments for the common good.<br>
</p>
<p>Best.</p>
Sunday Folayan.<br>
<br>
<div class="m_8103877242998887581moz-cite-prefix">On 13/04/2017 14:30, Noah wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Omo
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Yes I would rather AFRINIC engaged all
stakeholder including in members and setup say a panel of
different stakeholders to deliberate this issue in a
multistakeholder platform.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Which is why i was of the opinion that in the
upcoming AIS meeting, the issue be added to the AFRINIC
agenda.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This is a much better approach for such a
non-technical issue. Because even when we carefully examine
the motive behind internet shutdowns and censorship, its so
complicated for a mere policy to even offer a lasting solution
and different government have had different reasons for taking
such measures.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">So AFRINIC engaging the community at large and
governments through AFGWG we can find solutions and Seun also
shared some practical ideas....</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Noah</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 2:17 p.m., "Omo Oaiya"
<<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div>+1. A practical approach that could yield good
results. Last thing we want Afrinic to do is to
complicate the situation with empty rhetoric and make an
already bad situation worse.
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<div>Omo</div>
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<div>On 13 Apr 2017, at 12:11, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Seun,
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Indeed Tutu has raise some great
pointers and in addition to your centiments, i
am of the view this kind of approach is more
fruitful ref: internet shutdowns and
censorship.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I suppose AFRINIC has been in
the past engaging governments through the
AFGWG and i would be keep to get some insights
from AFRINIC regarding the same.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Meanwhile, could AFRINIC
organise a BoF during the upcoming meeting
where all those who will be on the ground can
discuss some of these pertinent issues openly.
We could have a panel discussion and discuss
this issue way better.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">AFRINIC could also invite some
of the government officials and other internet
leaders to this kind of BoF.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I believe a BoF is one way for
AFRINIC to be proactive in engaging the wider
community.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Also we could get folk from
countries where the internet has ever been
disconnected including cameroon to share more
ideas on how to approach this issue.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Noah</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 12:24
p.m., "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
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<div><Taking this to the
community list, where it
belongs><br>
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<div>Dear Community,<br>
<br>
</div>
Tutu raises a critical point and I
also strongly agree that we should
let this discussion live on. <br>
<br>
</div>
AFRINIC sure presently have provided
various avenues to engage government
and as i think there seem to be a
slow but steady improvement in govt
participation. I wonder how AFRINIC
can futher leverage on this to drive
down the point about why government
needs to stop considering a shutdown
of internet or certain service as an
option. May be good to hear from
staff how participation of the AFGWG
has been so far - especially to try
to identify challenges to
participation and how to resolve
them.<br>
<br>
One other thing that comes to mind
is whether AFRINIC can be pro-active
instead of re-active i.e they are
made aware of the planned act and
issue strong statement against it
hoping that it will get to the ears
of relevant authorities and get them
to reconsider. This may also be
effective if the relationship
between AFRINIC and the AU (and
regional bodies like ECOWAS, EAC,
COMESA etc) is strengthened as that
can serve as a channel of
communication to the respective
governments.<br>
<br>
That said, I will like to pause on
the role of AFRINIC as it also seem
to me that the role of ISPs is quite
critical in this. Traffic
distribution structure/topology
varies by countries hence there is
some level of dependencies that
would exist and I wonder if ISPs can
leverage upon that as well. Also
there are situations where
government would ask for shutdown of
certain services of the
internet(like social media) so
connectivity still exist to reduce
the outcry, perhaps in those cases,
ISPs could also make it clear that
its either a total shutdown or
nothing and then hope that the
country's community/citizens will
notice and be loud enough to get
government to change their order.<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
Just a few ideas i thought I should
throw in here since we seem to have an
understanding as a community that an RIR
policy cannot be a way to address this
very important issue. <br>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Regards<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:31
AM, Tutu Ngcaba <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pan.afrikhan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pan.afrikhan@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">
<div>Dear the Afrinic
Ltd,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Since
you put out a
statement a few days
ago condemning
internet shutdown
problem which is a
serious issue.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Can
you please take this
issue up and drive
it. I request that
the Afrinic shall
and should make this
as an angenda topic
also in meetings to
come. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We
should also involve
all isoc chapters in
all our countries.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">We can
discuss the internet
shutdown under the
Africann and
community mailing
list and engage all
members but not
through policy.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This
will make the
statement the
Afrinic made as
about shutdown as
the main agenda and
even we use avenues
like the Afrinic
AFGWG. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Multistake
holder meeting is
also important for
engaging our
governements.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">So i
believe we can all
take this discussion
to community and
Africann mailing
list and the Afrinic
can engage the
people.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This
way we can get all
concerned african
people together and
find wiser ways of
engaging our
governments.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Most
African country
economy depend on
agriculture and not
Internet. So
internet is nothing
to governments when
they chose to
shutdown temporaly
since to them
shutdown has only
small term economic
impact that is why
some do it in most
cases to contain
chaos or riots. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Let us
keep in mind that
some countries
presidents are in
power for so many
years and the
government can do
anything.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">So
simple questions
like why do some
governments do it
are important.</div>
<div dir="auto"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span>Awareness
and education is
more important not
policy.</span></div>
<span>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tutu Ngcaba<br>
Kwazulu Techno
Hubs<br>
South Africa<br>
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