<div dir="auto">Dear Brother Folayan<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes this is the best way as we can not fight our governments. We can only engage them through all channels available like AFGWG and others.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Afrinic CEO already promised he shall organise open discussions at the AIS which is fantastic initial progress on how to go about this issue.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We welcome all the initiatives that shall promote open dialogue and awareness.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We should also reach out to different ISOC chapters in our countries and even ISOC day is another avenue to discuss such concerning matters.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best Regards,<br><br>Tutu Ngcaba<br>Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>South Africa<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 6:11 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com">sfolayan@skannet.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Colleagues,</p>
    <p>This is a very reasonable proposition, consistent with the
      principles that guide us. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I shall bring it to the attention of the Board, to explore ways
      that AFRINIC through the AfGWG can galvanize our engagement with
      Governments for the common good.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Best.</p>
    Sunday Folayan.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="m_8103877242998887581moz-cite-prefix">On 13/04/2017 14:30, Noah wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Hi Omo
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Yes I would rather AFRINIC engaged all
          stakeholder including in members and setup say a panel of
          different stakeholders to deliberate this issue in a
          multistakeholder platform.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Which is why i was of the opinion that in the
          upcoming  AIS meeting, the issue be added to the AFRINIC
          agenda.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">This is a much better approach for such a
          non-technical issue. Because even when we carefully examine
          the motive behind internet shutdowns and censorship, its so
          complicated for a mere policy to even offer a lasting solution
          and different government have had different reasons for taking
          such measures.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">So AFRINIC engaging the community at large and
          governments through AFGWG we can find solutions and Seun also
          shared some practical ideas....</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Noah</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 2:17 p.m., "Omo Oaiya"
          <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>>
          wrote:<br type="attribution">
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
            <div>+1.  A practical approach that could yield good
              results.  Last thing we want Afrinic to do is to
              complicate the situation with empty rhetoric and make an
              already bad situation worse.
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              <div>Omo</div>
              <div><br>
                <div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>On 13 Apr 2017, at 12:11, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                      <div dir="auto">Hi Seun,
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Indeed Tutu has raise some great
                          pointers and in addition to your centiments, i
                           am of the view this kind of approach is more
                          fruitful ref: internet shutdowns and
                          censorship.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">I suppose AFRINIC has been in
                          the past engaging governments through the
                          AFGWG and i would be keep to get some insights
                          from AFRINIC regarding the same.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Meanwhile, could AFRINIC
                          organise a BoF during the upcoming meeting
                          where all those who will be on the ground can
                          discuss some of these pertinent issues openly.
                          We could have a panel discussion and discuss
                          this issue way better.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">AFRINIC could also invite some
                          of the government officials and other internet
                          leaders to this kind of BoF.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">I believe a BoF is one way for
                          AFRINIC to be proactive in engaging the wider
                          community.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Also we could get folk from
                          countries where the internet has ever been
                          disconnected including cameroon to share more
                          ideas on how to approach this issue.</div>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto">Noah</div>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 12:24
                            p.m., "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div><Taking this to the
                                        community list, where it
                                        belongs><br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Dear Community,<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      Tutu raises a critical point and I
                                      also strongly agree that we should
                                      let this discussion live on. <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    AFRINIC sure presently have provided
                                    various avenues to engage government
                                    and as i think there seem to be a
                                    slow but steady improvement in govt
                                    participation. I wonder how AFRINIC
                                    can futher leverage on this to drive
                                    down the point about why government
                                    needs to stop considering a shutdown
                                    of internet or certain service as an
                                    option. May be good to hear from
                                    staff how participation of the AFGWG
                                    has been so far - especially to try
                                    to identify challenges to
                                    participation and how to resolve
                                    them.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    One other thing that comes to mind
                                    is whether AFRINIC can be pro-active
                                    instead of re-active i.e they are
                                    made aware of the planned act and
                                    issue strong statement against it
                                    hoping that it will get to the ears
                                    of relevant authorities and get them
                                    to reconsider. This may also be
                                    effective if the relationship
                                    between AFRINIC and the AU (and
                                    regional bodies like ECOWAS, EAC,
                                    COMESA etc) is strengthened as that
                                    can serve as a channel of
                                    communication to the respective
                                    governments.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    That said, I will like to pause on
                                    the role of AFRINIC as it also seem
                                    to me that the role of ISPs is quite
                                    critical in this. Traffic
                                    distribution structure/topology
                                    varies by countries hence there is
                                    some level of dependencies that
                                    would exist and I wonder if ISPs can
                                    leverage upon that as well. Also
                                    there are situations where
                                    government would ask for shutdown of
                                    certain services of the
                                    internet(like social media) so
                                    connectivity still exist to reduce
                                    the outcry, perhaps in those cases,
                                    ISPs could also make it clear that
                                    its either a total shutdown or
                                    nothing and then hope that the
                                    country's community/citizens will
                                    notice and be loud enough to get
                                    government to change their order.<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                Just a few ideas i thought I should
                                throw in here since we seem to have an
                                understanding as a community that an RIR
                                policy cannot be a way to address this
                                very important issue. <br>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra">Regards<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:31
                                              AM, Tutu Ngcaba <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pan.afrikhan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pan.afrikhan@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                                                <div dir="auto">
                                                  <div>Dear the Afrinic
                                                    Ltd,</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Since
                                                    you put out a
                                                    statement a few days
                                                    ago condemning
                                                    internet shutdown
                                                    problem which is a
                                                    serious issue.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Can
                                                    you please take this
                                                    issue up and drive
                                                    it. I request that
                                                    the Afrinic shall
                                                    and should make this
                                                    as an angenda topic
                                                    also in meetings to
                                                    come. </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">We
                                                    should also involve
                                                    all isoc chapters in
                                                    all our countries.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">We can
                                                    discuss the internet
                                                    shutdown under the
                                                    Africann and
                                                    community mailing
                                                    list and engage all
                                                    members but not
                                                    through policy.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">This
                                                    will make the
                                                    statement the
                                                    Afrinic made as
                                                    about shutdown as
                                                    the main agenda and
                                                    even we use avenues
                                                    like the Afrinic
                                                    AFGWG. </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Multistake
                                                    holder meeting is
                                                    also important for
                                                    engaging our
                                                    governements.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">So i
                                                    believe we can all
                                                    take this discussion
                                                    to community and
                                                    Africann mailing
                                                    list and the Afrinic
                                                    can engage the
                                                    people.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">This
                                                    way we can get all
                                                    concerned african
                                                    people together and
                                                    find wiser ways of
                                                    engaging our
                                                    governments.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Most
                                                    African country
                                                    economy depend on
                                                    agriculture and not
                                                    Internet. So
                                                    internet is nothing
                                                    to governments when
                                                    they chose to
                                                    shutdown temporaly
                                                    since to them
                                                    shutdown has only
                                                    small term economic
                                                    impact that is why
                                                    some do it in most
                                                    cases to contain
                                                    chaos or riots.  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Let us
                                                    keep in mind that
                                                    some countries
                                                    presidents are in
                                                    power for so many
                                                    years and the
                                                    government can do
                                                    anything.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">So
                                                    simple questions
                                                    like why do some
                                                    governments do it
                                                    are important.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><span><br>
                                                    </span></div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><span>Awareness
                                                      and education is
                                                      more important not
                                                      policy.</span></div>
                                                  <span>
                                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="auto">
                                                      <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best
                                                        Regards,<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Tutu Ngcaba<br>
                                                        Kwazulu Techno
                                                        Hubs<br>
                                                        South Africa<br>
                                                        <br>
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                                                          <i><span>Seun
                                                          Ojedeji,<br>
                                                          </span><span>Federal
                                                          University
                                                          Oye-Ekiti<br>
                                                          </span><span>web: 
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                                                          <blockquote>Bringing
                                                          another down
                                                          does not take
                                                          you up - think
                                                          about your
                                                          action!<br>
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