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<p>Thanks to those that have contributed to this discussion. <br>
<br>
My opinion is that keeping the identity of applicants from the
community (at a time when unscrupulous people may be getting
creative in trying to receive resources wherever they may be
available) is probably a loophole. The Registration Services
Agreement ( <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.afrinic.net/fr/services/rs/rsa">http://www.afrinic.net/fr/services/rs/rsa</a> ) makes it
clear that AFRINIC will protect applicants' data and privacy; and
we should do that.<br>
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<p>What I do not understand is how AFRINIC can be considered to have
violated trust by the practice of sharing limited data with the
community that has been entrusted with the responsibility of
determining the organization's direction. Note that:<br>
<br>
1. The suggested disclosure is to the organization that the
applicant is looking to receive resources from and become a part
of. <br>
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<p>2. The community that (partial application information) is being
disclosed to is charged with the responsibility of deciding how
allocated/assigned resources are managed. </p>
<p>3. No intellectual property or personal details are to be shared;
The organization name, the type of operation (and possibly type
and size of resource requested) should be sufficient for
transparency and accountability.<br>
<br>
I strongly agree however, that AFRINIC must continue to protect
any business plans and intellectual property disclosed in received
applications in order not to enable the applicants' or members'
competition against them. This is the responsible thing to do. I
just need to be convinced that sharing the name of an applicant
and the resources requested (in a time of limited supply,)
constitutes a threat to the applicant's business or a violation of
trust.<br>
<br>
If a company intends to consume Internet resources that are likely
to help develop that region, I doubt that they would want to hide
information about who they are and what type of organization they
are running. At least, not from the community responsible for
responsibly managing resources in the same region. For applicants
in a sensitive area of operation like national security or one of
the usual opaque suspects, exceptions can be made.</p>
<p>These are just my thoughts anyway; eventually, it's up to us all
to accept, discard or refine if we think there is any value. <br>
</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Dewole.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/11/2016 18:08, Andrew Alston
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That
information is already available based on space allocated.
It would be a violation of the MSA and privacy clauses to
disclose any application before it is granted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
whois database contains the rest of the information as does
the delegation database, just a matter of correlating them.
I for one would not support AfriNIC directly exposing the
names of clients being allocated space, as I believe that it
violates aspects of the MSA and violates the principles of
trust.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Dewole Ajao [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dewole@tinitop.com">mailto:dewole@tinitop.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2016 18:15<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>; General Discussions of
AFRINIC <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><community-discuss@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Regular updates
on Number Resource Applications and Approvals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Responsibility of requesting entities is what I meant, Mark.
Please do not attempt to declare anything on my behalf.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If an applicant knows the community sees in realtime, he/she
is less likely to put in phony stuff that just wastes the
hostmasters' time and increases the time taken to process
legit requests.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Dewole.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 07/11/2016 16:09, Mark Elkins wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>On 07/11/2016 16:53, Dewole Ajao wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Once a week is good. ARIN has a daily issued feed but that's a bit<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>different from what I'm suggesting.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I agree the actual allocated/assigned ranges need not be disclosed; I do<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>however think that sharing the names of (applicant) organizations will<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>help with responsibility and possibly reduce the occurrence of phony<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>applications (if there have been any).<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Isn't that basically declaring you don't trust AFRINIC staff to do the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>right thing?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>What I tend to hear (happened twice today) is that the Hostmasters are<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>so strict - its extremely difficult to get things done (according to the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>entities moaning at me).<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I therefore trust the Hostmasters - they are doing the right thing.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Dewole.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>On 07/11/2016 15:35, Mark Elkins wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Interesting. I think though a once-a-week stats figure would be<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>sufficient - perhaps with a projected end date?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I've seen that before somewhere....<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>AFRINIC should not give out the names of the organisations receiving the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>address space or the actual ranges themselves though.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On 07/11/2016 16:29, Dewole Ajao wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Dear Community,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I was wondering if anyone else thinks it would be useful to see<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>weekly/daily details (in human readable format) of new applications and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>approvals for Internet number resources perhaps as a weekly/daily email<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>from AFRINIC to this (or the members) list.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Given increased depletion rates, I think having these details in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>(almost) real-time will increase the community's awareness rather than<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>rely solely on the biannual statistical updates (which in any case do<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>not contain details of who is making attempts to acquire number<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>resources). I think the Org Name, Country, Type and size of resource<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>requested/approved would be even more useful than the resource type/size<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and country data already available in delegation stats at<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/">ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>This would be purely operational and a community value addition so it<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>should not require a new policy, right?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Dewole Ajao.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>(in my capacity as a community member)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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