<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-11-01 16:39 GMT+00:00 Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div lang="EN-GB">
<div class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">Arnaud,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">Let me be very clear –
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">I never expressed support for this policy – I asked a question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">I am COMPLETELY opposed to this policy, and will be until such time as the policy explicitly states that in the event of a complaint against a member,
the member is informed when he is audited who complained and the grounds stated for the complaint. That is in line with internationally accepted practice that the accused may have the right to confront his accuser, and protects against malicious accusations
for the sake of causing on going work for an organisation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">It opens the door for legal action against an accuser by the accused, if the accused feels the accuser is lodging complaints that are malicious and
unsubstantiated in nature, and it means that those who are complaining and demanding audits are doing so *<b>backed by evidence</b>* rather than because they feel they can.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">I also argue that any person who issues a complaint should be willing to subject themselves to automatic audit, which again, will cut down on unfounded
complaints that are not backed by evidence.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">In addition to this, complaints should be submitted by *<b>members</b>* alone, they are the true stake holders, and I will oppose any policy that
allows a random member of the community to submit arbitrary complaints without proof, evidence or proper substantiation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p dir="ltr">Andrew,</p>
The relationship between the RIR and its members is based
on trust. I feel you miss the intent of this proposal and imagine too
many negative things. A network truly using resources should not
care. I also feel you confuse role of policy and Afrinic staff who have
responsibility to propose a process in accordance with the RSA.<br> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">Further to this, 3.4 makes reference to unauthorised transfers. I can issue with auditing against something that is unauthorised when there is no
process to authorise it. That needs re-wording until such time as there is a transfer policy. I also take issue with 3.4 that it is declared as a non-exhaustive list. That is an open door for abuse, define the reasons for audit and stick to them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">I also take *<b>HUGE</b>* issue with 3.6 – if you want 3.6 and you want to publish the names of companies that have been audited, firstly, you have
to publish the names as well of the requesting party, and secondly, that would be a direct violation of the confidentiality agreements agreed to in the RSA which you yourself refer to in the policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">Those are my thoughts – but until those issues are rectified – I do not support this policy, nor do any of the 15 organisations which I represent
directly support this policy. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Oooh! I am not aware that we can have proxy for PDP discussions too.<br> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">Once those issues are rectified, I will *<b>consider</b>* support for the policy, but the above points are deal breakers for me – after that, consideration can be given.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div> <br><br><br></div><div>--Arnaud<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> Arnaud AMELINA [mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 November 2016 19:10<br>
<b>To:</b> ALAIN AINA <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net">aalain@trstech.net</a>><span class="gmail-"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>><br>
</span><span class="gmail-"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv4 depletion in AFRINIC will speed up IPv6 adoption - myth or fact?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My Contribution through the lines of this message <u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="gmail-h5">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2016-11-01 15:31 GMT+00:00 ALAIN AINA <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net">aalain@trstech.net</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 29, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Andrew Alston <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-m-1307470007677758485msolistparagraph"><span style="font-family:wingdings" lang="EN-US">Ø</span><span style="font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Yes. the usual story. You only know. Others are either clueless or naive..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Not at all, I’m sure there are plenty of people who may know better than me. Unfortunately, as of yet, none of them have bothered to provide realistic ways of doing this that contain *<b>detailed</b>* proposals of how
this would be accomplished and what the end results are.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are plenty of people here who know far more than me and you , but resolve not to speak as you have made this a low floor, repetitive and non productive discussions.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The policy proposal was introduced on the 18 May 2016, and we have had these discussions. RPD and the AFRINIC-24 policy archives are available.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
+1 @Alain <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Yes Andrew, we had good discussions and a new version of the proposal which incorporated the changes was posted Tuesday, 9 August 2016, the link below :
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1827-internet-number-resources-review-by-afrinic">http://www.afrinic.net/en/<wbr>community/policy-development/<wbr>policy-proposals/1827-<wbr>internet-number-resources-<wbr>review-by-afrinic</a>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>And I understood trough your e-mail posted on 14 October 2016, which is cuts below, you finally express support to this Policy proposal.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">====<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Just a question about the audit policy…. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Is it agreed that if we have such a policy, we should also audit the v6 assignments people are holding that should be announced under the needs based policy rules?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks"<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>===<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">regards<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now that you have asked again, see below...<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<span class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">See Alain, the difference here, I ask for hard facts and data – and when I’m asked for such I provide it – but I will not accept vague positions and unsubstantiated nonsense as the grounds for implementing a policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-m-1307470007677758485msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US">a.)</span><span style="font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">No one has yet proposed how these audits are meant to be realistically done beyond looking at the routing tables<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Policy proposals do not dictate implementation, but describe principles to action.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The policy proposal aims to seek compliance to RSA which all members sign before applying for the number ressources. Section 4 of the RSA is very clear on parties responsibilities. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/services/rs/rsa">http://www.<wbr>afrinic.net/en/services/rs/rsa</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The policy proposal says :<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p>===<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>3.4 In case of non-compliance and if evidence has been established in accordance with the non-exhaustive list below:<u></u><u></u></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal">
Unjustified lack of visibility of the resource on the global routing table.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Breach of AFRINIC policies.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Breach of the provisions of the registration service agreement or other legal agreements between the organization holding the resource and AFRINIC.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Evidence that an organisation is no more operating and its blocks have not been transferred.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Unauthorized transfers of resources.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">===<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Looking at the global Internet routing table at a given time is an option. Visibility or not in the global Internet Routing Table gives an indication of how to reach the destination, but does not tell about utilisation. A prefix can easily
be seen in the Global Internet Table without being used. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Utilisation in compliance with RSA and policies is what is sought here. What AFRINIC will be trying to establish is utilisation based on justified needs and compliance with RSA. In doing so, Members are bound to collaborate with AFRINIC
as said in section 4.(4) below.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p>===<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>(b) Cooperation:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>(i) An applicant receiving service under an agreement is at all times bound to provide to AFRINIC such information, assistance and cooperation as may be reasonably required by the latter in the provision of the service.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>(ii) Such request for information may also be made where AFRINIC is investigating (reviewing) the applicant's utilisation of the numbering resources already assigned to it.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>(iii) Failure by the applicant, to comply with a request made at above may:<u></u><u></u></p>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal">
entail revocation or withholding of the service supplied by AFRINIC;<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
be taken into account by AFRINIC in its evaluation for further and future assignment or allocation of numbering resources;<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
lead to the closure of an LIR and termination of the agreement by AFRINIC.<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">===<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Investigated members to provide information and data to convince AFRINIC which may not need to do much.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Say what you do, do what you say and prove it."<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-m-1307470007677758485msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US">b.)</span><span style="font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">No one has proposed where the resources to do these audits are meant to come from<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">AFRINIC as RIR is already committed to do this review as prescribed in the RSA. This proposal is just guidelines on how to implement it. But if there is a need for extra ressources, it is up to AFRINIC staff to say so. The PDP has provision
for staff analysis on Policy proposal. Shall co-chairs request one ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<span class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-m-1307470007677758485msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US">c.)</span><span style="font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">No one has addressed the MASSIVE potential for abuse of this policy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I remembered the discussions on possible abuse on the “reported” class of the policy proposal.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">===<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoNormal">
They have requested the review themselves or<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
there has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation.<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">===<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This has been addressed as we all trust AFRINIC to do the right job and as a community, we stand to revive policies and implementations in case of known abuses.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">People have been complaining about flaws in current policies, practices which have been abused by some members.<br>
<br>
<br>
<span class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-m-1307470007677758485msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US">d.)</span><span style="font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">No one has addressed the fact that if an audit is needed – then the original documentation is in question – and at that point you are by the very nature of requesting the audit saying the hostmasters didn’t do their jobs when verifying
the application in the first place – and if you want to make implications like that – you need evidence.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The application approved by Hostmasters at the first place serves as basis to all reviews. Questioning applications approved by Hostmasters is a different matter.<span class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am sick and tired of vague statements, vague insinuations, vague claims that everyone is stealing the space and taking it elsewhere,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ah bon ? I have not heard that. But in case this exist, I would expect this policy proposal to help clear the point.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<span class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">vague claims that presentations that report on one thing some how are actually reporting on other issues they don’t ever reference.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are data in there, plus some conclusions. Nothing prevents further analysis and readings of the data.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">—Alain<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<span class="gmail-m_8432773095313158703gmail-"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Come with real data – real facts – real figures – and then let’s have this discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
Community-Discuss mailing list<br>
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
<a target="_blank" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/community-<wbr>discuss</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div>