<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">I still oppose the policy, because unlike those that wrote that policy, I have actually done IP auditing and know how completely impractical it is to do it on any scale.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div>Yes. the usual story. You only know. Others are either clueless or naive..</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Auditing a need-based ressources distribution is impractical ?<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">Under that policy if auditing was done the way I checked on your space, I point out that the people we are so quick to say are taking space out of Africa are far more in compliance than people who have have legitimate reasons for not having stuff in the
table.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div>Can you please read the policy proposal once again? presence in the global routing table is just one way of checking ressources utilisation All shall be backed by justifications acceptable to the RIR and the community.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">With regards to your space - let's look at facts.</div>
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<div class="">The space was allocated in 2010, and I believe it the initial money came under the frenia project (which btw had more applications than it could fulfill, and came to an end because if I recall there was not money to continue it). Could be wrong on the
frenia thing, would have to go back and check.</div>
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<div class="">Since the date of allocation only one /24 out of your /22 has ever showed up on the internet - announced by Sonatel.</div>
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<div class="">Now, considering there is a requirement by policy that you can deploy a minimum of 50% immediately - something doesn't add up here. Unless you have a very specific reason why you have a need for globally unique space that is not in the table (as is the
case with an IXP), and if you do - it just makes my point about the impossibility of the audits as proposed. If you don't wacren is in violation of the policy and should return the space.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div>I read below: "I will submit to a review of any allocations related to me by AFRINIC at any time. “</div><div><br class=""></div><div>—Alain<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">That simple</div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:46:41 PM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv4 depletion in AFRINIC will speed up IPv6 adoption - myth or fact?</font>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 October 2016 at 18:25, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr" class="">
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"><p class="MsoNormal">And while you sit and advocate for preservation of IPv4 space, will you lead by example and return the 75% of space your own organisation has had for 6 years and has never announced?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I can provide the prefix if you like, and the BGP Play data to back it up.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Or are you advocating its ok to stop others getting space to preserve it while you yourself sit on space that is in clear and total violation of the Ipv4 allocation policies?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> </p>
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No I am not advocating that. I find your new interest in adhering to policies encouraging. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Why stop at my word or interpretation of incomplete information you don't understand? </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I will submit to a review of any allocations related to me by AFRINIC at any time. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I have expressed emphatic support of the Internet Number Resources Audit policy proposal which also covers IPv6 and ASNs - <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1827-internet-number-resources-review-by-afrinic" target="_blank" class="">http://www.afrinic.net/<wbr class="">community/policy-development/<wbr class="">policy-proposals/1827-<wbr class="">internet-number-resources-<wbr class="">review-by-afrinic</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I recall that you were the first to object on grounds that resemble your current line of inquiry. </div>
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<span style="font-family: calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">I will strongly oppose this policy – it is impractical, unenforceable and hugely open to abuse. Organisation X doesn’t like Organisation Y, Organisation X goes to </span><span class="gmail-m_-7744315630848934945gmail-il" style="font-family: calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">AfriNIC</span><span style="font-family: calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class=""> and
goes “omg I think someone is not using their space properly”, Organisation Y is now under </span><span class="gmail-m_-7744315630848934945gmail-il" style="font-family: calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">audit</span><span style="font-family: calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class=""> and
wasting valuable time and effort when its entirely possible their space usage is entirely legitimate. - </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2016/005466.html" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr class="">pipermail/rpd/2016/005466.html</a></blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Are you now able to see that the proposal is useful and why we should all support in passing it through quickly?<br class="">
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