<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:28 AM, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" class="">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 October 2016 at 09:01, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</span></span></span><u class=""></u>Like others, I would like to see widespread v6 adoption but we do need to be careful to explain the stats we provide especially for those who advocate to other stakeholders.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">I 100% agree…</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Great</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_-3484844181876201229WordSection1"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> and this is why I asked if it could be explained to me how the correlation between v4 depletion and v6 depletion was drawn from a presentation that refers entirely
to GDP correlation on v6 deployment, because I honestly don’t understand that correlation.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't know where you got this from. Honest's point is that there is NO correlation between IPv4 depletion and IPv6 uptake i.e that you and Owen have opinions that are not supported by evidence or data</div><div class=""> </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>You guys are talking across each other.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Honest’s point may be that, but the presentation he referenced doesn’t say what Honest said.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It says that there is a correlation between GDP and IPv6 uptake, but that there are pretty glaring anomalies even in that conclusion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Andrew is wondering how you equate a correlation in GDP to somehow meaning a lack of correlation in IPv4 depletion. The presentation provided no evidence of any such lack of correlation.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_-3484844181876201229WordSection1"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Sadly, I’ve heard deafening silence since then, and it seems that question is going unanswered. </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps because she was bemused at the lack of understanding?</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>If there is a lack of understanding, then it is among you and Honest because the presentation referenced by Honest does not say what you are now claiming it says.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_-3484844181876201229WordSection1"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">As someone from academia, Omo I am sure you agree with me that any conclusions
drawn from a dataset need to be explained by the individual drawing the concerns in order for any weight to be applied to them?</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No I don't. She provided an interpretation of the dataset which she argues is at odds with your opinions. From what I can see, she is correct.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Which she are we referring to here? The one who gave the presentation at LACNIC?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If that is the case, then her conclusion is orthogonal to what we have said about IPv4 depletion. Her conclusion is that there is a correlation between gross domestic product per capita and IPv6 uptake. In other words, the wealthiest nations are more likely to be early adopters of technology.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>This isn’t exactly startling news.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>However, it’s completely orthogonal to the question of whether lack of IPv4 resources drives IPv6 adoption. Currently there isn’t a meaningful lack of IPv4 resources anywhere except Asia. Even in Asia, they still remain relatively inexpensive, though costs are rising. We are seeing rising IPv6 adoption rates since APNIC, RIPE, and ARIN ran out of IPv4 addresses in their free pool. There are statistics to support this.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjPhZzHk_3PAhVpqFQKHS95BKgQFgg3MAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fipv6%2Fstatistics.html&usg=AFQjCNF9akCtvOxGx3DO8AXKb1ibt3R4Jg" class="">IPv6 – Google</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>For example.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">It is up to you to defend your position with some data or substantiate an argument from what she has provided.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>So, the presentation you and Honest use to “prove” your point is orthogonal to your point. That’s Andrew’s point.</div><div>I’ve now provided you with clear statistics showing that IPv6 uptake is accelerating since depletion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Can we now stop arguing over whether IPv4 depletion drives IPv6 adoption or not and get back to the real business at hand… Getting IPv6 deployed before IPv4 melts down into a puddle of NATd scrambled bits with no meaning left?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Omo</div></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><a href="http:/" target="_blank" class=""></a></div></div></div></div>
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