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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-ZA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Here are some interesting points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As things stand:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>AFRINIC makes money from assigning v4 space<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If you had to stop allocating v4 space today, there’d be a political uprising by many (and refer to above, AFRINIC would need to update its financial model ASAP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As long as there is v4 space, people, due to human nature aren’t going to do extra work and migrate to v6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We know that v4 exhaustion as per other regions forces v6 adoption<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So why not let v4 be used up naturally?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Why when asking for v4 space (and justifying it) to the afrinic staff reply with: “</span>and in consideration to the policy principle of conservation” <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The policy for allocations is for another topic)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If the ISP/LIR has a requirement for the v4 space to be used on the continent, give it to them:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Its earns AFRINIC much needed revenue (this enables training, research and other important project)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Facilitates the natural rundown of v4 space<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ultimately will employ more people on the continent as Kevin points out, you’ll now be duplicating work<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Basically a win-win situation. Let the v4 space go to LIRs who want/need it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 14 October 2016 01:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Noah <noah@neo.co.tz><br><b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv6 Chapter 254<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>What I was proposing below is *<b>VERY</b>* far from what ipv4-soft-landing-bis does.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have, and continue to, oppose this policy. Because it will extend the life of v4 while we languish behind in terms of v6 deployment. I’ve already stated in previous emails on this thread that there is a clear correlation between v6 deployment and v4 depletion – and this proposal you reference slows v4 depletion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I’ve also already stated there are organizations out there going v6 only with CGN64 / DNS64 to talk to the v4 internet – and that has big implications for people not running any v6 in the long term, negative implications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Slowly the depletion of v4 does not help this continent – it hurts it – badly. Look at the global v6 deployment map – Africa’s v6 penetration levels by the latest APNIC reports are at 0.15% compared to a global average of 7.94% (And google puts global average at closer to 12%). The difference? The rest of the world depleted v4 – Africa hasn’t – and the motivation isn’t there to deploy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Every day we hold v4 space for general allocation is another day this continent falls further and further behind. We need to be doing everything we can to *<b>accelerate</b>* v4 depletion – not slowing it down.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Btw – the reason I haven’t moved this discussion onto the policy list is because there are wider areas than just specific policies. If we get into policy specific issues I’d rather go to the RPD list – but I do think ideas as to the acceleration of v4 depletion and the benefits and drawbacks behind it are very much a topic for discussion by the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Noah <</span><a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>noah@neo.co.tz</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>><br><b>Date: </b>Friday, 14 October 2016 at 13:20<br><b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <</span><a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>><br><b>Cc: </b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <</span><a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>community-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>>, Alan Barrett <</span><a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net"><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>alan.barrett@afrinic.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv6 Chapter 254<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p><span lang=EN-US>On 14 Oct 2016 09:17, "Andrew Alston" <</span><a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><span lang=EN-US>Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> wrote:<br>><br>> Basically, individuals can apply to the access fund for projects that need v4 space that will directly benefit the continent, they would have to prove v6 deployment alongside it (not just plans to take a v6 block and announce it, actual deployment plans, which would be monitored), and the project would have to provide KPI’s etc etc. <br>><br>><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US>+1 Andrew and I totally agree with you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US>Similarly there is a policy whose text proposes the same narrative...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><a href="http://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1815-ipv4-soft-landing-bis"><span lang=EN-US>http://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1815-ipv4-soft-landing-bis</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US>I believe this covers pretty much what we are so far discusssing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-US>Noah<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>