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On 30 Sep 2016, at 5:30 pm, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">No Omo, <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Please read what Ashok said – the limitation *<b>WILL NOT SURVIVE LEGAL CHALLENGE</b>*
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<div>Afrinic is a regional organisation if we are being shackled by jurisdiction of registration we have 52 other jurisdictions. </div>
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<div>We have options. Let's remain very open and objective to what is best for members. </div>
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<div>Consensus not legal shackles is what the Internet is built on. </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The companies act does not ALLOW the limitation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 30 September 2016 at 17:29<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Jean-Robert Hountomey <<a href="mailto:jrhountomey@gmail.com">jrhountomey@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - quorum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you have repeated but that is by the way. What is clear is that electronic voting has solved the issue with proxies so we don’t need them. If the companies act is restrictive and does not support better accountability, proxies can be
limited to one per member to balance things out. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30 Sep 2016, at 15:22, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Jean-Robert because proxies are enshrined in the companies act and the act explicitly states that they cannot be removed irrespective of what a company’s bylaws
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">See fifth schedule section 6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Jean-Robert Hountomey <<a href="mailto:jrhountomey@gmail.com"><span style="color:purple">jrhountomey@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, 30 September 2016 at 17:22<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><span style="color:purple">community-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><span style="color:purple">community-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - quorum</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="background:white">Talking about Board Members election (1) and (2), why do we want to keep Proxies While we have Electronic voting ?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="background:white">Proxies make sens when a member cannot attend the meeting in person, isn't what we wanted to solve with electronic voting?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="background:white">(1) <a href="http://afrinic.net/en/community/elections/bod-election/process"><span style="color:purple">http://afrinic.net/en/community/elections/bod-election/process</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="background:white">(2) <a href="http://afrinic.net/en/about/agmm/participate-vote"><span style="color:purple">http://afrinic.net/en/about/agmm/participate-vote</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="background:white">On 30 Sep 2016, at 02:26, Mark Elkins <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za"><span style="color:purple"><mje@posix.co.za></span></a> wrote<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="background:white">The only time the Proxy Restrictions are enforced is for the Board<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="background:white">elections. Traditionally, the elections for the PDP Co-Chair is hands at<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="background:white">Proxy restrictions apply to elections by the Members (Resource Members and Registered Members). ASO-AC and PDWG elections are by the community or by the PDWG, not by the Members. Board elections and now Governance Committee elections are by the Members.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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