<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi,</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Ok,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">We need to stop for a moment and look at reality – not wishful thinking.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Firstly – I am hearing talk of rough consensus – and while consensus is applicable in many areas, I am far from convinced this is one of them. The ONLY place consensus has in this regard is to get a vague indication of which way the vote may go on a particular issue. However, you can get total consensus on this list and beyond – and still stand a good chance of things not passing.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Why is this – consensus is defined as being reached when all substantive objections have been addressed. However, a substantive objection has to have meaning, that is to say, there is some validity in what people are objecting to. And those can all be addressed, but when the non-substantive, the illogical, the uninformed, the emotional, or whatever, arguments come into it – those cannot be taken into account in consensus. However, to accept or reject bylaw changes is not done by consensus. It is done by *<b class="">super majority</b>* vote.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">So, get all the consensus you like, you have a VAGUE indication – but nothing more than that – because if people on the day go “I don’t like this, and it’s not worth arguing about, so I will simply argue with my vote”, and they vote no, things still won’t pass. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Until we amend the bylaws(as suggested by point 11 of the CEO document [ Modification to the Bylaws or Constitution]), the “Super Majority” you are referring to means "Super Majority of the registered members (the current Board members)". So the board could easily amend the bylaws without involving the community if it is only the voting which matter.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>By involving the community, one expects that we listen to community, helps the community build consensus on the amendments and then adopt them by the "Super Majority".</div><div><br class=""></div><div>This community only makes decision by Rough Consensus and does not vote. Voting is for the members who are the "Registered members".</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">So, let me now talk about committees – for what purpose? So that the “committee” can propose something and people just accept it? So that the “committee” can judge consensus somehow better than one person? So the “committee” can take all the inputs and collate them into some nice document better than one person can?</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes and also lead the consensus building.</div><div> It is also important to note that while amending bylaws to improve accountability is it not advisable that “Only" interested parties (CEO, board..) lead the process.</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Guess what – it’s all meaningless – because at the end of the day – no matter who proposes, no matter what form – if members like the PRINCIPLE behind the change, they will vote in favor of it. If they don’t, no matter who proposes it, they will vote against it. And committees, individuals, whatever, it’s all meaningless if on the day, the *<b class="">SUPER MAJORITY VOTE</b>* does not pass. That means for every 1 vote that is cast against, there must be 3 votes for. This is not a feel good game – this is the law. In the same way, any individual can bring something to the floor and once its n the notice of meeting while it can be discussed on the floor, the resolution *<b class="">CANNOT BE CHANGED</b>* other than basic minor edits – it can only be withdrawn. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Yes – I like the idea of consensus to gauge what may or may not pass – and I believe that is what Alan has been trying to gauge before putting things to the floor. </span></div></div></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">End of the day though –</span><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;" class="">it’s a nice idea, but has zero impact on the outcome.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Not sure. We did a bylaws review in 2012 and the approach did work smoothly</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Hope this helps</div><div><br class=""></div><div>—Alain</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Andrew<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, 19 September 2016 at 22:14<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">+1 @Alain<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Regards<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Arnaud<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">2016-09-19 19:56 GMT+00:00 ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:Alain.Aina@wacren.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Alain.Aina@wacren.net</a>>:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Let’s fix the process and better organise this critical review of the bylawsl. I do support the idea of a committee .<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">—Alain<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""> </span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Bope Domilongo Christian <<a href="mailto:christianbope@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">christianbope@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">Dear CEO,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">[speaking as a member of the community]</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">Following last week discussion on the accountability review and others points raised by the community which was not in your original document, here my response.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">1. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On the Accountability Review.</b></span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">This review is from an independent AFRINIC's accountability review which identified areas need to be improved. Improving RIR accountability is very important in this context of IANA stewardship transition where the community will be exercising important role in the oversight of the IANA functions.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">So it is very crucial that the community gives this discussion the required attention and the consensual approach is more needed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">It will be unfortunate if we did not follow these important improvements due to lack of consensus.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><b class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">2. on the Process</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">It was expected that the community discuss, express view and concern thereafter the Leadership will do his best effort to build consensus. Consensus here is strictly in the sense of RIR practices mean The Rough Consensus Model<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">[1]</b>.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">Ideally, people shall be encourage to comment on the list for the sake of archive and off list contribution should be discouraged and not accepted.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">That why some members of the community suggested the creation of a committee to lead the process.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin-bottom: 10pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><b class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">3. On the discussion.</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">Community has expressed views on each points. As expected there were convergences and divergences. For example, points 3,4, 5 had active and intensive discussions while reading may sound like profound disagreement. We shall now entire to the consensus building mode by opening the disagreement views and addressing one by one then we'll build ROUGH CONSENSUS.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">Another example, on point 11, there was no objection, but some suggestions even propose more such as "Registered Members only MUST never amend the bylaws, ..." and The proposed amendment should be published not less than 60 days and not more than 90 days before, with the provisions for more members to comment online and in any meeting held during the consultation period" </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><b class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">4. On the other points.</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">Beyond the 12 points, some areas of improvements were suggested.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; line-height: 18.399999618530273px;"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt; line-height: 19.933334350585938px;" class="">For example,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lists some of the points</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt;" class="">[1]</span></b><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 13pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on section 1.4</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Bope<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">On 19 September 2016 at 17:03, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">I agree with the sentiments as echoed by Boubakar below.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Thanks</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Andrew</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, 19 September 2016 at 10:39<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">On 18 Sep 2016, at 23:44, Boubakar Barry <<a href="mailto:Boubakar.Barry@wacren.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Boubakar.Barry@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ArialMT;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">…<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ArialMT;" class="">We can of course think of advantages we can give to associate members to acknowledge their commitment and support. But I would not support giving voting rights to associate members. I would rather be for removing this membership category instead.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Boubakar +1<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Members-Discuss mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Members-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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