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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-ZA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Agreed, having associate members is beneficial in both directions and this membership category is common an many organisations in all industries/membership based organisations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>External parties have experience and knowledge in the outcome of the organisation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>External parties might have in interest due to interoperability with said organisation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The organisation can learn from the experiences of others<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Organisations that have do direct benefit in the outcomes of decisions should not be allowed to vote since the outcome would not benefit them, the result being their vote could be wasted!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So associate membership is a must, but no voting rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Category membership fees is debatable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PS please can we keep the subject at least vaguely related to the subject of the email.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Ben Roberts [mailto:Ben.Roberts@liquidtelecom.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 20 September 2016 11:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> ALAIN AINA <Alain.Aina@wacren.net><br><b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; members-discuss@afrinic.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>While we debate what consensus means I maybe have lost the thread of what we were looking for consensus on. ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>There was something about associate members and if they should have voting rights I recall?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Associate member category is really for interested parties who want to 'join in' but not be part of things properly and pay the full fees and use the services. So maybe it might include research partners, people who want to come along to our meetings and present and sell us stuff, etc etc<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>So no. The associate member category should not have the same voting benefits as a LIR member. <br><br><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 20 Sep 2016, at 11:24 PM, ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:Alain.Aina@wacren.net">Alain.Aina@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ok,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We need to stop for a moment and look at reality – not wishful thinking.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Firstly – I am hearing talk of rough consensus – and while consensus is applicable in many areas, I am far from convinced this is one of them. The ONLY place consensus has in this regard is to get a vague indication of which way the vote may go on a particular issue. However, you can get total consensus on this list and beyond – and still stand a good chance of things not passing.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Why is this – consensus is defined as being reached when all substantive objections have been addressed. However, a substantive objection has to have meaning, that is to say, there is some validity in what people are objecting to. And those can all be addressed, but when the non-substantive, the illogical, the uninformed, the emotional, or whatever, arguments come into it – those cannot be taken into account in consensus. However, to accept or reject bylaw changes is not done by consensus. It is done by *<b>super majority</b>* vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So, get all the consensus you like, you have a VAGUE indication – but nothing more than that – because if people on the day go “I don’t like this, and it’s not worth arguing about, so I will simply argue with my vote”, and they vote no, things still won’t pass. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Until we amend the bylaws(as suggested by point 11 of the CEO document [ Modification to the Bylaws or Constitution]), the “Super Majority” you are referring to means "Super Majority of the registered members (the current Board members)". So the board could easily amend the bylaws without involving the community if it is only the voting which matter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>By involving the community, one expects that we listen to community, helps the community build consensus on the amendments and then adopt them by the "Super Majority".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This community only makes decision by Rough Consensus and does not vote. Voting is for the members who are the "Registered members".<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So, let me now talk about committees – for what purpose? So that the “committee” can propose something and people just accept it? So that the “committee” can judge consensus somehow better than one person? So the “committee” can take all the inputs and collate them into some nice document better than one person can?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes and also lead the consensus building.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> It is also important to note that while amending bylaws to improve accountability is it not advisable that “Only" interested parties (CEO, board..) lead the process.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Guess what – it’s all meaningless – because at the end of the day – no matter who proposes, no matter what form – if members like the PRINCIPLE behind the change, they will vote in favor of it. If they don’t, no matter who proposes it, they will vote against it. And committees, individuals, whatever, it’s all meaningless if on the day, the *<b>SUPER MAJORITY VOTE</b>* does not pass. That means for every 1 vote that is cast against, there must be 3 votes for. This is not a feel good game – this is the law. In the same way, any individual can bring something to the floor and once its n the notice of meeting while it can be discussed on the floor, the resolution *<b>CANNOT BE CHANGED</b>* other than basic minor edits – it can only be withdrawn. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes – I like the idea of consensus to gauge what may or may not pass – and I believe that is what Alan has been trying to gauge before putting things to the floor. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>End of the day though –it’s a nice idea, but has zero impact on the outcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Not sure. We did a bylaws review in 2012 and the approach did work smoothly<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>—Alain<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Date:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Monday, 19 September 2016 at 22:14<br><b>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'>+1 @Alain<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'>Regards<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Arnaud<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>2016-09-19 19:56 GMT+00:00 ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:Alain.Aina@wacren.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Alain.Aina@wacren.net</span></a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Let’s fix the process and better organise this critical review of the bylawsl. I do support the idea of a committee .<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#888888'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#888888'>—Alain</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#888888'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Bope Domilongo Christian <<a href="mailto:christianbope@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>christianbope@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>Dear CEO,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>[speaking as a member of the community]</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>Following last week discussion on the accountability review and others points raised by the community which was not in your original document, here my response.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>1. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On the Accountability Review.</b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>This review is from an independent AFRINIC's accountability review which identified areas need to be improved. Improving RIR accountability is very important in this context of IANA stewardship transition where the community will be exercising important role in the oversight of the IANA functions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>So it is very crucial that the community gives this discussion the required attention and the consensual approach is more needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>It will be unfortunate if we did not follow these important improvements due to lack of consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>2. on the Process</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>It was expected that the community discuss, express view and concern thereafter the Leadership will do his best effort to build consensus. Consensus here is strictly in the sense of RIR practices mean The Rough Consensus Model<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>[1]</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>Ideally, people shall be encourage to comment on the list for the sake of archive and off list contribution should be discouraged and not accepted.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>That why some members of the community suggested the creation of a committee to lead the process.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>3. On the discussion.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>Community has expressed views on each points. As expected there were convergences and divergences. For example, points 3,4, 5 had active and intensive discussions while reading may sound like profound disagreement. We shall now entire to the consensus building mode by opening the disagreement views and addressing one by one then we'll build ROUGH CONSENSUS.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>Another example, on point 11, there was no objection, but some suggestions even propose more such as "Registered Members only MUST never amend the bylaws, ..." and The proposed amendment should be published not less than 60 days and not more than 90 days before, with the provisions for more members to comment online and in any meeting held during the consultation period" </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>4. On the other points.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>Beyond the 12 points, some areas of improvements were suggested.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:13.8pt;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>For example,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>lists some of the points</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'>[1]</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'> </span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:13.0pt'><a href="https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>on section 1.4</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Bope<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>On 19 September 2016 at 17:03, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I agree with the sentiments as echoed by Boubakar below.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>silber.mike@gmail.com</span></a>><br><b>Reply-To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>community-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a>><br><b>Date:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Monday, 19 September 2016 at 10:39<br><b>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>community-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>members-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>members-discuss@afrinic.net</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>On 18 Sep 2016, at 23:44, Boubakar Barry <<a href="mailto:Boubakar.Barry@wacren.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Boubakar.Barry@wacren.net</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMT",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>…<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMT",serif'>We can of course think of advantages we can give to associate members to acknowledge their commitment and support. But I would not support giving voting rights to associate members. I would rather be for removing this membership category instead.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Boubakar +1<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Members-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Members-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Members-Discuss@afrinic.net</span></a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</span></a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net"><span style='color:purple'>Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</span></a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white'>_______________________________________________</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br><span style='background:white'>Community-Discuss mailing list</span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Members-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Members-Discuss@afrinic.net">Members-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>