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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Ok,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">We need to stop for a moment and look at reality – not wishful thinking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Firstly – I am hearing talk of rough consensus – and while consensus is applicable in many areas, I am far from convinced this is one of them. The ONLY place consensus has in this regard
is to get a vague indication of which way the vote may go on a particular issue. However, you can get total consensus on this list and beyond – and still stand a good chance of things not passing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Why is this – consensus is defined as being reached when all substantive objections have been addressed. However, a substantive objection has to have meaning, that is to say, there is
some validity in what people are objecting to. And those can all be addressed, but when the non-substantive, the illogical, the uninformed, the emotional, or whatever, arguments come into it – those cannot be taken into account in consensus. However, to
accept or reject bylaw changes is not done by consensus. It is done by *<b>super majority</b>* vote.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">So, get all the consensus you like, you have a VAGUE indication – but nothing more than that – because if people on the day go “I don’t like this, and it’s not worth arguing about, so I
will simply argue with my vote”, and they vote no, things still won’t pass. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">So, let me now talk about committees – for what purpose? So that the “committee” can propose something and people just accept it? So that the “committee” can judge consensus somehow better
than one person? So the “committee” can take all the inputs and collate them into some nice document better than one person can?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Guess what – it’s all meaningless – because at the end of the day – no matter who proposes, no matter what form – if members like the PRINCIPLE behind the change, they will vote in favor
of it. If they don’t, no matter who proposes it, they will vote against it. And committees, individuals, whatever, it’s all meaningless if on the day, the *<b>SUPER MAJORITY VOTE</b>* does not pass. That means for every 1 vote that is cast against, there
must be 3 votes for. This is not a feel good game – this is the law. In the same way, any individual can bring something to the floor and once its n the notice of meeting while it can be discussed on the floor, the resolution *<b>CANNOT BE CHANGED</b>* other
than basic minor edits – it can only be withdrawn. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Yes – I like the idea of consensus to gauge what may or may not pass – and I believe that is what Alan has been trying to gauge before putting things to the floor. End of the day though
– it’s a nice idea, but has zero impact on the outcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud@gmail.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 19 September 2016 at 22:14<br>
<b>To: </b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"members-discuss@afrinic.net" <members-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 @Alain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Regards <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-19 19:56 GMT+00:00 ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:Alain.Aina@wacren.net" target="_blank">Alain.Aina@wacren.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s fix the process and better organise this critical review of the bylawsl. I do support the idea of a committee .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">—Alain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Bope Domilongo Christian <<a href="mailto:christianbope@gmail.com" target="_blank">christianbope@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">Dear CEO,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">[speaking as a member of the community]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">Following last week discussion on the accountability review and others points raised by the community which was not in your original document, here my response.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">1. <b>On the Accountability Review.</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">This review is from an independent AFRINIC's accountability review which identified areas need to be improved. Improving RIR accountability is very important in this context of IANA stewardship transition
where the community will be exercising important role in the oversight of the IANA functions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">So it is very crucial that the community gives this discussion the required attention and the consensual approach is more needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">It will be unfortunate if we did not follow these important improvements due to lack of consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">2. on the Process</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">It was expected that the community discuss, express view and concern thereafter the Leadership will do his best effort to build consensus. Consensus here is strictly in the sense of RIR practices mean
The Rough Consensus Model <b>[1]</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">Ideally, people shall be encourage to comment on the list for the sake of archive and off list contribution should be discouraged and not accepted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">That why some members of the community suggested the creation of a committee to lead the process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">3. On the discussion.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">Community has expressed views on each points. As expected there were convergences and divergences. For example, points 3,4, 5 had active and intensive discussions while reading may sound like profound
disagreement. We shall now entire to the consensus building mode by opening the disagreement views and addressing one by one then we'll build ROUGH CONSENSUS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">Another example, on point 11, there was no objection, but some suggestions even propose more such as "Registered Members only MUST never amend the bylaws, ..." and The proposed amendment should be published
not less than 60 days and not more than 90 days before, with the provisions for more members to comment online and in any meeting held during the consultation period"
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<b><span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">4. On the other points.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">Beyond the 12 points, some areas of improvements were suggested.
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:115%">For example, <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html" target="_blank">
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html</a> lists some of the points</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt">[1]</span></b><span lang="EN" style="font-size:13.0pt">
<a href="https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability</a> on section 1.4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 19 September 2016 at 17:03, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I agree with the sentiments as echoed by Boubakar below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 19 September 2016 at 10:39<br>
<b>To: </b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 18 Sep 2016, at 23:44, Boubakar Barry <<a href="mailto:Boubakar.Barry@wacren.net" target="_blank">Boubakar.Barry@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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