<div dir="ltr"><div><div>+1 @Alain<br><br></div>Regards <br><br></div>Arnaud<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-09-19 19:56 GMT+00:00 ALAIN AINA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Alain.Aina@wacren.net" target="_blank">Alain.Aina@wacren.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Let’s fix the process and better organise this critical review of the bylawsl. I do support the idea of a committee .</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>—Alain</div><div><br></div><br></font></span><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div>On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Bope Domilongo Christian <<a href="mailto:christianbope@gmail.com" target="_blank">christianbope@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">Dear CEO,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">[speaking as a member of the community]<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">Following last
week discussion on the accountability review and others points raised by the community
which was not in your original document, here my response.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">1.<span> </span><b>On the Accountability Review.</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">This review is
from an independent AFRINIC's accountability review which identified areas need
to be improved. Improving RIR accountability is very important in this context
of IANA stewardship transition where the community will be exercising important
role in the oversight of the IANA functions.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">So it is very
crucial that the community gives this discussion the required attention and the
consensual approach is more needed.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">It will be
unfortunate if we did not follow these important improvements due to lack of
consensus.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><b><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">2. on the
Process</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">It was
expected that the community discuss, express view and concern thereafter the
Leadership will do his best effort to build consensus. Consensus here is strictly
in the sense of RIR practices mean The Rough Consensus Model <b>[1]</b>.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">Ideally,
people shall be encourage to comment on the list for the sake of archive and off
list contribution should be discouraged and not accepted.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">That why some
members of the community suggested the creation of a committee to lead the
process.</span></p><div style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><b><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">3. On the
discussion.</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">Community has expressed
views on each points. As expected there were convergences and divergences. For
example, points 3,4, 5 had active and intensive discussions while reading may
sound like profound disagreement. We shall now entire to the consensus building
mode by opening the disagreement views and addressing one by one then we'll
build ROUGH CONSENSUS.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">Another
example, on point 11, there was no objection, but some suggestions even propose
more such as "Registered Members only MUST never amend the bylaws,
..." and The proposed amendment should be published not less than 60 days
and not more than 90 days before, with the provisions for more members to
comment online and in any meeting held during the consultation
period"<span> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><b><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">4. On the
other points.</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">Beyond the 12
points, some areas of improvements were suggested. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN">For example, <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2016-June/000350.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe<wbr>rmail/community-discuss/2016-<wbr>June/000350.html</span></a>
lists some of the points</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"times new roman","serif"" lang="EN"><b>[1]</b> <a href="https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-accountability" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">https://www.nro.net/about-the-<wbr>nro/rir-accountability</span></a>
on section 1.4</span><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"times new roman","serif""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>Bope</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 September 2016 at 17:03, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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