<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">+1 to Frank.<div>The PRIMARY value to Associate members should be reflected in the association with Afrinic and not Voting.</div><div>The PRIMARY value to resource members are the resources from Afrinic.</div><div><br></div><div>rgds<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Frank Habicht wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Douglas,<br><br>valid points.<br>One small "value addition" is of course the "priceless" association with<br>AfriNIC. I trust that for "some, but only a few" entities this could be<br>enough value.<br><br>But beyond that I think the question is: "how much more value does<br>AfriNIC want to give and how many more associate members do we wish to get?"<br><br>We probably have diverse answers to this. I personally prefer if we can<br>find enough seats at the members' meeting ;-)<br><br>About dropping the category altogether: I don't object. But maybe there<br>are a number of entities that would want to become associate members,<br>just because they like that, and without voting rights...???<br>(I don't know)<br><br>Regards,<br>Frank<br><br><br><br>On 9/19/2016 11:05 AM, Douglas Onyango wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Frank, et al,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 19 September 2016 at 06:49, Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I agree, with all of the above. Well said.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Considering that someone could control many legal entities, and these<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">could all become associate members, that could change voting outcomes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">very much into that someone's favour.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My original intent, which I thought I had expressed clearly in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">previous discussions, is a more fundamental issue with the Associate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Membership category: lack of value addition. This issue is a parent<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">issue to the proposed clarifying text. It must be addressed first to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pave way for, and inform any clarifying text on Associate Membership<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in the bylaws.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now just to be clear, I am not advocating for voting rights per se.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What I am advocating for is value addition for every membership<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">category. The idea of a membership category that collects fees but<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">offers no value in return just doesn't sit well with me.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My proposal is that we find substantial value for this category. If we<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">can't, I believe the membership category makes no sense and should<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">effectively be dropped all together.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I hope this provides more clarity on my views.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Community-Discuss mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>