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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Timothy,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Let me clarify. I said I would support a hypothetical dramatic rise in fees. I never said there had already been one. Please let
us not confuse the two issues. The allocation fee issue is an entirely separate issue and unrelated to my comments (though I support that as well!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Timothy Ola Akinfenwa [mailto:akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng]
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<b>Sent:</b> 30 June 2016 14:01<br>
<b>To:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Aude Kileo <audekileo@rocketmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I'm with Andrew on this one. Yes, AFRINIC has a list of insatiable needs with limited resources. Even the global economy has been relatively unstable over the last few years, at least I can say for 3 to 4 countries in Africa. I think there is no harm in
trying to raise additional revenues for AFRINIC if need be.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>However, the main concern I have like many others is in the manner by which this "fairly dramatic rise in fees" (in Andrew's words) were considered and approved before being communicated to the community. The Internet community is global but we also should
know that not all our fingers are equal. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Speaking as a resource member here again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Let’s stop and analyse for a second.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The community wants more v6 outreach and training – this costs money</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The community wants (I hope) wants AfriNIC to be part of the global community – this costs money</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The community wants a push for RPKI – this costs money</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Segments of the community want an audit proposal that will put severe pressure on the hostmasters and
need to a resource crunch meaning more people – This costs money</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The community wants (and has) 2 meetings a year – these cost money</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I can keep listing….</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The community has seen the financials clearly presented in the last few years and the financials clearly
indicate that AfriNIC has very little financial reserve and has in fact for years been running on a very close to breakeven (and in many cases at a loss, especially if you discount FOREX gains, which cannot be relied on)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The community has questioned why AfriNIC’s financial reserve is as low as it is (particularly in Tunis).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Now….</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Members of the same community are proposing a fee decrease and as a result a cut in revenue….</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Pray tell, how do you propose AfriNIC funds all the points listed above? Money doesn’t grow on trees,
it can’t be picked like fruit, there are no lotteries AfriNIC can win, and without huge scope creep and going into some kinda commercial trading outside of IP addressing, other sources of revenue are significantly limited.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hence, as a paying resource member, I for one have ZERO problem with a fairly dramatic rise in the
fees. Both to build reserve and to fund the very things the community is asking for.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That’s my opinion *<b>as a resource member</b>*</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Ornella GANKPA [mailto:<a href="mailto:honest1989@gmail.com" target="_blank">honest1989@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 30 June 2016 12:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Aude Kileo <<a href="mailto:audekileo@rocketmail.com" target="_blank">audekileo@rocketmail.com</a>>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:00:54 +0900<br>
From: Randy Bush <<a href="mailto:randy@psg.com" target="_blank">randy@psg.com</a>><br>
To: Diana Ikwuagwu <<a href="mailto:diana.ikwuagwu@unn.edu.ng" target="_blank">diana.ikwuagwu@unn.edu.ng</a>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Resolution 201604.274 about Set-Up<br>
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> I think it will be very good if the membership maintenance price be<br>
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i strongly agree. afrninc should pay us to take address space from<br>
them. this would make my business a bit easier.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I don't think SARCASM is good for us new ones on the mailing list. We are here to follow and learn even if our opinion may not count.
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