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On 26 Jun 2016 18:39, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Noah,<br>
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> Isn't it obvious now.<br>
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> That the IPv4 market is a multimillion $$$$ venture out there.<br>
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> Can you explain and expand on this a bit more? Because it’s far from obvious to me what you are implying here.<br>
></p>Andrew,<br><br>PS: I am not sure if number resources were meant to be a commodity but that is what they are turning into.<br><br>NOTE: The idea was for them [Number Resources] to be allocated on needs basis and at some administrative fees and if company 'foo' run out of business and couldn't use them any longer, they were then returned to the parent RIR for re-allocation.<br><br>Now, to drive my argument home....see links below....<br><br><a href="https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/transfer-facilitators" target="_blank">https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/transfer-facilitators</a><br><br><a href="http://ipv4marketgroup.com/" target="_blank">http://ipv4marketgroup.com/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.hilcostreambank.com/ipv4-brokerage" target="_blank">http://www.hilcostreambank.com/ipv4-brokerage</a><br><br><a href="http://www.iptrading.com/" target="_blank">http://www.iptrading.com/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.gtri.com/how-to-buy-or-sell-ipv4-addresses/" target="_blank">http://www.gtri.com/how-to-buy-or-sell-ipv4-addresses/</a> ---- This explains it even more....<br><br><a href="https://conference.apnic.net/data/41/apricot-2016-ipv4-market-group-final_1456115892.pdf" target="_blank">https://conference.apnic.net/data/41/apricot-2016-ipv4-market-group-final_1456115892.pdf</a>.<br><br>And just before you point out that, there is no relation with the RPKI argument, those seeking to benefit from whatever loophole they may abuse, wont stop at nothing since its all about money. But to whose benefit. [1]<br><br>And that is why the original post of this thread was "shedding some light" on what is happening at ARIN and why we should also engage in a discourse on what the situation is on the ground within the AFRINIC region.<br><br>Which is why RPKI surfaced in the discussion because of its benefits and to quote a text from one of the responses to this thread..<br><br>"the rpki is a certificate hierarchy of attestation of resource ownership". As in, can HELP keep hijackers off some org allocated space.<br><br>> Andrew<br>><br><br>Noah<br><br>[1] The internet is the only space where no one has control and everyone wants it that way. Number resources that she depends on are therefore critical.<br></div>