<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hello members and community,<br><br>A lot has been said around the discussions on the upcoming SGMM and some do not honour our common organisation </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Please let us take steps to resolve the issues, while moving forward in a positive and strong format. The world is watching and we have no right to fail<br><br>2005-2015, AFRINIC is celebrating 10 years anniversary, a long journey. It is time for us to show goodwill and good plans for a united future</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Let's move forward constructively </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Best wishes in PN</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Nii</span></div><div><br>On Nov 24, 2015, at 09:06, Sunday Folayan <<a href="mailto:sunday.folayan@afrinic.net">sunday.folayan@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Christian,<br>
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Please do not miss the point being made.<br>
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I took over as Chair in November 2014. That is just 2 months to
the end of 2014. I am responsible for the 2014 Audited Accounts no
passing the buck. I took the flak and heat in Tunis, and with
dignity, without reminding anyone that I was just chair for 2
months. Does that make sense now?<br>
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Rewind way back to 2012. Badru took over as Chair in August 2012.
He should take responsibility for 2012 and 2013, and not pass it.
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I will ignore the other usual innuendoes regarding Board vs
Community.<br>
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Cheers.<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
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On 24/11/2015 01:29, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Dear all,
I honestly think we should let the debate be open and transparent for the
interest and the development of the organization. Furthermore I do not
think the Board should not target single member of the community related to
his view and opinion which could be different.
I have seen a lot of contribution from different members of communities
which I really appreciate in order to improve what need to be improve
"there will be always room for improvement. I do thing the Board should
accept others view and critics not targeting specific member.
Finally I will advocate a respectful open debate professional.
Speaking on my own capacity
Regards
On 24 Nov 2015 6:26 am, "Sunday Folayan" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sunday.folayan@afrinic.net"><sunday.folayan@afrinic.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Badru,
AFRINIC History is not hidden and should not be craftily re-written in
emails such as these.
You were elected to the Board in May 2012 during AFRINIC-16 at Banjul.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/735-afrinic-elects-new-board-members">http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/735-afrinic-elects-new-board-members</a>
You were elected Chair of the Board in August 2012.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/307-main-news-page">http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/307-main-news-page</a>
The Board met f2f under your watch at AFRINIC-17 in November 2012 in
Khartoum, Sudan. You did not inherit any budget.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/board_resolutions_2013.pdf">https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/board_resolutions_2013.pdf</a>
The AGMM in Lusaka was during AFRINIC-18 in June 2013. You had chaired
the Board for a whole year.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/images/images/agmm_nom_210613_2.pdf">https://www.afrinic.net/images/images/agmm_nom_210613_2.pdf</a> The second
to the last paragraph on page 3 should remind you.
The AGMM in Djibouti at AfriNIC-20 in June 2014 was your second year
running as Chair.
You handed over to me during AfriNIC-21 at Mauritius in November 2014.
You left the Board in June 2015 at AfriNIC-22 in Tunis, less that 6
months ago, after being Chair for over Two years and three months.
I have now Chaired the Board for exactly one Year.
I still accept responsibility for your diagnosis of the pathetic level
of mediocrity in the current Board, the above is just to set the records
straight.
Cheers.
SF.
On 23/11/2015 21:08, Badru Ntege wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Saul
You obviously have a limited understanding of the history. Lusaka was my
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<pre wrap="">first board and the results being reported were for a budget I inherited.
For decisions made by a previous board with the best of intentions.
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<pre wrap="">If you read clearly my emails which I'm sure you have not you will see
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<pre wrap="">that half if not the majority of your email with all due respect is
baseless.
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<pre wrap="">I will thus not continue on personalisation since I do not recall any
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<pre wrap="">personalisation. Please go back and read all the emails very slowly. I
have utmost respect for the individuals but does not mean you cannot point
out what is wrong.
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<pre wrap="">Your email is exactly the problem. Afrinic does not belong to any of us
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<pre wrap="">we will come and go and others will continue but when you think you cannot
separate individual from the roles they do then we end up accepting
everything for fear of hurting people's feelings.
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<pre wrap="">Just take your time and read all the emails please the comment.
Badru Ntege
CEO
NFT Consult Ltd
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://Www.Nftconsult.com">Www..Nftconsult.com</a>
“Vision without execution is hallucination.”
― Thomas A. Edison
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<pre wrap="">On 23 Nov 2015, at 10:35 pm, Saul <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za"><saul@enetworks.co.za></a> wrote:
Badru, I can no longer refrain from commenting at your constant
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<pre wrap="">non-constructive posts, waste of bandwidth, time and being critical of
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<pre wrap="">until just short of a year ago and then still on the board until the
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<pre wrap="">elections (6 months ago)- so this is something that you are very
responsible for.
You are constantly making accusations against members of the board in
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<pre wrap="">public forum and with non-public knowledge and then plead NDA when asked
for fact to backup your allegations.
You are now alluding to your prowess at running a multi million dollar
company, I refer you back to the Lusaka AGMM where AFRINIC, under your
leadership ran at a loss and the financials were late. When questioned
about what you were going to do to rectify the issue, the response was,
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<pre wrap="">we
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<pre wrap="">don't need to do anything different. Funny thing those financials have
always been a sticky point recently...
maybe where there is smoke there is fire, so let's stop this non-sense,
we're IT people, like logs, facts don't lie, so lets get these current,
correctly audited financials and see what status AFRINIC has been left
in.
I am not interested in a slinging match, so lets keep the mails on this
list factual and constructive
Saul
-----Original Message-----
From: Badru Ntege [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>]
Sent: 23 November 2015 05:01 PM
To: Randy Bush <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:randy@psg.com"><randy@psg.com></a>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><community-discuss@afrinicnet></a>;
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd
November 2015
Hi Randy
On 11/23/15, 5:17 PM, "Randy Bush" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:randy@psg.com"><randy@psg.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">:-) its because the packets are moving fantastically well, need to
get the layer 9 to the same level.
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<pre wrap="">never happen. layer nine involves all us overevolved funny monkeys.
but, as one of the folk who helped get into the current hole,
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<pre wrap="">Another valid purely subjective view. One would have to understand all
the dynamics but that would be very difficult in a world of limited
transparency thus your subjective view is based on the pre-edited
information that you have access to.
So if one really understands the causes as opposed to gueses based on a
particular agenda we could be having additive discussions. My emails
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<pre wrap="">try
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<pre wrap="">to be additive but if you look at the responses from the executive they
never dissapoint at dragging the dialogue down. They have earned a
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<pre wrap="">for consistency.
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<pre wrap="">i am
always interested in your constructive suggestions on how to get out.
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<pre wrap="">Thank you. Just like many others I have a vested interest in the good of
the community and will try my best.
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<pre wrap="">i am not sure niggling about micro-timing of reports is attacking the
roots of the problem.
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<pre wrap="">On the contrary it is the root of the problem. It all starts from the
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<pre wrap="">lack
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<pre wrap="">of order and dedication. We leave in a world of last minute delivery.
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<pre wrap="">this one trust me I know.) So we are ticking boxes without focusing on
the core.
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<pre wrap="">otoh, i do look forward to a thorough audit, governance committee,
etc.
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<pre wrap="">We all do. I hope your patience has the resilience needed for the
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<pre wrap="">i am patient and i trust the current
executive.
randy
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