<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000" data-mce-style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hello all,</div><div>Please be constructive. The entire world is watching us.</div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><br><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__"><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" data-mce-style="color: #3366ff;">Khaled Khelifi</span><br><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" data-mce-style="color: #3366ff;">Director of communications & external relations</span><br><br><img src="cid:eb44663961550ac424f02c8f4ba18e1936ae1db9@zimbra" data-mce-src="/home/khaled@ati.tn/Briefcase/sigle-ati-en.png" width="324" height="92" doc="Briefcase/sigle-ati-en.png"><br><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" data-mce-style="color: #3366ff;">Tel : +216 71846100</span><br><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" data-mce-style="color: #3366ff;">Mobile :+216 93182722</span></div><div><br></div></div><br><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>De: </b>"Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com><br><b>À: </b>"Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"General Discussions of AFRINIC" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>, members-discuss@afrinic.net<br><b>Envoyé: </b>Mardi 22 Septembre 2015 08:17:56<br><b>Objet: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss]  Governance<br></div><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" data-mce-style="color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So just give us a date before we get too personal about it.  In any case, deadlines are global good practice -  even if you miss them, you will have moved closer towards achieving them.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div>Well said Walu....well said!<br><br></div>Regards <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" data-mce-style="color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br><div>walu.</div><br><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" data-mce-style="font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" data-mce-style="font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr"><hr size="1"><span size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>; Sunday Folayan <<a href="mailto:sunday.folayan@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:sunday.folayan@afrinic.net">sunday.folayan@afrinic.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:20 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Governance<br> </span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><div><div> Owen</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Please go back and read all the archives of my tenure then substantiate your empty comments. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Owen I value your v6 knowledge but of late your posts definately show a deficiency of organisational knowledge. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>It's not a necessity that you have to comment if you have nothing constructive to add its acceptable for you to be silent.  It amazing the way you come to our african community and belittle expectations you would not accept in your home community Arin. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Your attack on me Shows the limited depth you might have beyond routing I might be wrong here but that's the displayed perception. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>As I suggested please read the archives.  The whole governance issue comes from the last meeting and the emails on commitments are also online.  </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>To request definite timelines does not deserve your unsolicited attack. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I think this community has had enough of your condescending comments.  I'm sure many silent voices will share the same view. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I for one respect your IP knowledge but you have no ground to try and lecture me on building or running organisations. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So stop trying to derail us. We have a community to support and build and we will not take your nonsense anymore. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Afrinic is a strong organisation built by the community belonging to the community. We might have differences in approach but we definately do not need your un educated poison in the mix. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I ask you maintain your input in our community on a purely constructive and additive tone. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Respectfully </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Badru </div><div> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><span>Badru Ntege</span></div><div><span>CEO </span></div><div><span>NFT Consult Ltd </span></div><div><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.nftconsult.com/" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.nftconsult.com/">Www.Nftconsult.com</a></span></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>“Vision without execution is hallucination.” </div><div>― Thomas A. Edison</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span><br clear="none"> </span></div><div><span><br clear="none"> </span></div><div><span><br clear="none"> </span></div><div><span><br clear="none"> </span></div></div><div><br><br></div><div><div><br clear="none"> On 22 Sep 2015, at 1:34 am, Noah <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr">I meant....<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[ PS: In fact I would like to suggest for Badru to fall back from exercising his rights as a community member since his subjective opinions are being looked upon with a biased point of view which fundamentally doesn't help the entire community....] <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Noah</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:27 am Noah <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote><div dir="ltr">Owen? Please dont drag us into the Badru past and present actions as they are irrelevant to progress....</div><div dir="ltr">What is so difficult in giving the community an indicative timeline? Yes we know we are all used to the whole T.I.A thing but we can't expect to see changes if we continue behaving this way.....</div><div dir="ltr">It's as simple as [ dear community, expect us to get back to you within a month or so ]....</div><div dir="ltr">We can't be reminding folk of their responsibilities whether it's Badru requesting for an update or a different member of the community...</div><div dir="ltr">PS: In fact I would to suggest for Badru to fall back from his exercising his rights as a community member since his subjective opinions are being looked upon with a biased point of view which fundamentally does help the entire community....</div><div dir="ltr">Noah<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 8:57 pm Owen DeLong <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div></blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><div dir="ltr">While I do agree that some milestones and target dates for this process should soon be forthcoming<br clear="none"> from the board, I will point out that Badru’s is the first request for them.</div><div dir="ltr">I want to give Mr. Ntege the benefit of the doubt and presume that he only seeks to improve AfriNIC,<br clear="none"> but it is difficult under the circumstances when you consider that the very behavior he now criticizes<br clear="none"> was his own behavior while he was chair. Two of the three years that this process has dragged on<br clear="none"> so far were under his leadership as chairman of the board. I am glad to see that he is now interested<br clear="none"> in moving forward with greater board accountability, but I wish he had been such a staunch activist<br clear="none"> while he was still a member of that august body.</div><div dir="ltr">Now is a time of many leadership changes in AfriNIC. I have a high degree of confidence in the<br clear="none"> new leadership, but they have inherited an overwhelming amount of action items. This is not to<br clear="none"> make excuses, so much as to say let’s allow them to do their jobs.</div><div dir="ltr">If another month goes by and we have not seen some steps and target dates from the board<br clear="none"> based on the output of the committee assigned to this task, then perhaps there is reason for<br clear="none"> concern. However, expecting a complete response to such a large ask within a week of making<br clear="none"> the original request is not reasonable in my opinion.</div><div dir="ltr">I do not believe it is in Sunday’s nature to drag his feet on action requested by the community,<br clear="none"> nor do I think he is resistant to transparency or to the governance committee.</div><div dir="ltr">Owen</div><div dir="ltr">> On Sep 21, 2015, at 01:47 , Saul <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > I must say that I do agree with Badru on this one.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > Even if the timeframe is 6 months or a year, but to say that we are<br clear="none"> > working on something with no due reporting date is a ticket for disaster.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > -----Original Message-----<br clear="none"> > From: Badru Ntege [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>]<br clear="none"> > Sent: 21 September 2015 09:54 AM<br clear="none"> > To: Sunday Folayan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:sunday.folayan@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:sunday.folayan@afrinic.net">sunday.folayan@afrinic.net</a>>; Badru Ntege<br clear="none"> > <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:ntegeb@gmail.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:ntegeb@gmail.com">ntegeb@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"> > Cc: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none"> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Governance<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > Thank you chair<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > Sorry for the delay in response.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > I just thought it would be better to give members delivery times.  I still<br clear="none"> > see no delivery time which means that we could be discussing governance in<br clear="none"> > 2 years time.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > The same issue goes inline with performance which is an issue that is<br clear="none"> > hoped to be covered under governance.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > You cannot improve what you cannot measure.  So I really ask that we start<br clear="none"> > giving actual deliverables.<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > Regards¹<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> > _______________________________________________<br clear="none"> > Community-Discuss mailing list<br clear="none"> > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none"> > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank" data-mce-href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/commun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