From oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng  Sun May  1 03:09:01 2022
From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 04:09:01 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Dear Mirriam,
Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath
me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things
are now beneath me.  I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from
my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people
like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African
course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they
are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and
Kids.

If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of
the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other
committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come
out clearly and say you think it is right.  Let us have it on record. I
have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.

My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment
there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few
individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever
means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project
to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also
get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.

 Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you
mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily
bread till I die,  I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under
the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.


Yours truly

AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of
York, UK.) *




On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.  We women who are on
> these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty
> emails that have been flying from you and others.
>
> It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business
> card but this is beneath you.
>
> Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a
> person with a PhD.
>
> I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Sun May  1 06:27:24 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:27:24 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Hello folks,

On 28/04/2022 11:07, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
> 
> 2. In an event that a casual vacancy must be filled, the Board should
> fill the said vacancy till the end of the previous candidate?s mandate,
> i.e. when the next AGMM of the respective seat comes up for election per
> Article 13.6 and Article 13.7 of the 2020 By-Laws.

What could go wrong with this proposal?

Regards,

-- 
Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd




From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 10:08:37 2022
From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:08:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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References: <C388C4CD-5BD8-4BD0-A1DE-337947BA4EC9@afrinic.net>
 <CAES4e9nRDbPbYAA0pELt-63OT5mn=5dt8u=Gtks4WQ4btY+jfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <258915594.760129.1651353211154@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Hello Abdulkarim,
?>>If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board? ?>>members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all? ?>>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the? ?>>PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.?


Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;
15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
15.2(10)? to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254?
Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;
The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;

The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee".? Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.?
Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list.?
All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.

? >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like? ??? >>the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest.?

The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.

Happy Eid al Fitr
Mirriam.
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath?me.? I was?thinking that?I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess?people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids.?
If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.? Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.?
?Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die,? I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.?

Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?
?? ?? ?
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Abdulkarim
I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.? We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.
It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you.?
Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.
I wish you all a Happy Eid al FitrMirriam.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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From oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng  Sun May  1 10:29:19 2022
From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 11:29:19 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Dear Mirriam,

 The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.

The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.


The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly
my point.  A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.

The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply
extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted
in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa.
And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.

 Do you expect a different result? Keep up the  positivity' and let me keep
milking you.



Yours truly

AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of
York, UK.) *


On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello Abdulkarim,
>
>  >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board   >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members
> of the governance committee, all   >>members of the appeal committee and
> all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the   >>PDP by proxy then
> please come out clearly and say you think it is right.
>
>
> Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just
> sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in
> Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as
> below;
>
> 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
>
> 15.2(10)  to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms
> of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
>
> Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals
> Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC
> which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
>
> Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254
>
> Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to
> create a Governance Committee;
>
> The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the
> Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;
>
>
> The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence
> that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
> committee".  Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up
> with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs
> rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.
>
> Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its
> completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I
> recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire
> discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this
> mailing list.
>
> All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have
> attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the
> Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the
> book to appoint all this committees.
>
>
>   >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the
> moment there is nothing like
>   >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are
> really honest.
>
> The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create
> distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing
> today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.
>
>
> Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
> Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath
> me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things
> are now beneath me.  I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from
> my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people
> like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African
> course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they
> are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and
> Kids.
>
> If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of
> the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other
> committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come
> out clearly and say you think it is right.  Let us have it on record. I
> have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
>
> My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment
> there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few
> individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever
> means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project
> to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also
> get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.
>
>  Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you
> mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily
> bread till I die,  I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under
> the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.  We women who are on
> these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty
> emails that have been flying from you and others.
>
> It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business
> card but this is beneath you.
>
> Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a
> person with a PhD.
>
> I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
> _______________________________________________
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From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 11:10:46 2022
From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 11:10:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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 ?>>Dear Mirriam,
? >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.?
Dear Abdulkarim
Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not know what the Bylaws state,
Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws? and read section 15 which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.



 
>> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.?
The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.? The? constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board listened and did exactly that.? GovCom and RC and AC derived from the community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter.?
Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee so appointed.
I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.

Mirriam?

    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,
?The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.?
The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.?

The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly my point.? A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.?
The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa. And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.?
?Do you expect a different result? Keep up the? positivity' and let me keep milking you.


Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?

On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Hello Abdulkarim,
?>>If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board? ?>>members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all? ?>>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the? ?>>PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.?


Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;
15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
15.2(10)? to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254?
Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;
The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;

The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee".? Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.?
Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list.?
All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.

? >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like? ??? >>the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest.?

The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.

Happy Eid al Fitr
Mirriam.
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath?me.? I was?thinking that?I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess?people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids.?
If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.? Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.?
?Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die,? I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.?

Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?
?? ?? ?
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Abdulkarim
I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.? We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.
It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you.?
Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.
I wish you all a Happy Eid al FitrMirriam.
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From oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng  Sun May  1 11:49:55 2022
From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:49:55 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Dear Mirriam,

I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the committee
and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the members.
Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of
these board members  are power hungry and you are referring me to the same
resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.

 You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you
again. Let me make it clear

Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating
board member and this same board member voted in the process.

Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board member
Issue two: same board member participating in the process.

I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make
false claims.

Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose
seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and
someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the
typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing.

Just to clear things up.
Back to you.


AK





On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  >>Dear Mirriam,
>
>   >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not
> know what the Bylaws state,
>
> Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws  and read section 15
> which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.
>
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> >> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.
>
> The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the
> provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the
> subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
>
> *x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of
> reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.*
>
> Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.  The
> constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board
> of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the
> board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the
> community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be
> recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board
> listened and did exactly that.  GovCom and RC and AC derived from the
> community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter.
>
> Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by
> facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to
> read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee
> so appointed.
>
> I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as
> facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.
>
>
> Mirriam
>
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
>
>  The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.
>
> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.
>
>
> The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly
> my point.  A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.
>
> The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply
> extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted
> in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa.
> And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.
>
>  Do you expect a different result? Keep up the  positivity' and let me
> keep milking you.
>
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Abdulkarim,
>
>  >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board   >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members
> of the governance committee, all   >>members of the appeal committee and
> all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the   >>PDP by proxy then
> please come out clearly and say you think it is right.
>
>
> Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just
> sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in
> Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as
> below;
>
> 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
>
> 15.2(10)  to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms
> of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
>
> Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals
> Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC
> which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
>
> Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254
>
> Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to
> create a Governance Committee;
>
> The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the
> Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;
>
>
> The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence
> that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
> committee".  Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up
> with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs
> rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.
>
> Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its
> completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I
> recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire
> discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this
> mailing list.
>
> All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have
> attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the
> Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the
> book to appoint all this committees.
>
>
>   >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the
> moment there is nothing like
>   >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are
> really honest.
>
> The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create
> distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing
> today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.
>
>
> Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
> Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath
> me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things
> are now beneath me.  I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from
> my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people
> like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African
> course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they
> are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and
> Kids.
>
> If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of
> the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other
> committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come
> out clearly and say you think it is right.  Let us have it on record. I
> have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
>
> My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment
> there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few
> individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever
> means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project
> to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also
> get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.
>
>  Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you
> mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily
> bread till I die,  I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under
> the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.  We women who are on
> these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty
> emails that have been flying from you and others.
>
> It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business
> card but this is beneath you.
>
> Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a
> person with a PhD.
>
> I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
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From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 12:37:00 2022
From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:37:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Message-ID: <173313192.1850110.1651408620872@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dear Abdulkarim
I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form committees and GovCom is one such committee.
I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws which empowers the board to appoint such committees.
Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.
Mirriam.

    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,
I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the members.?Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of these board members? are power hungry and you are referring me to the same resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.??You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you again. Let me make it clear
Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating board member and this same board member voted in the process.
Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board memberIssue two: same board member participating in the process.?
I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make false claims.?
Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing.?
Just to clear things up.?Back to you.?

AK




On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

 ?>>Dear Mirriam,
? >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.?
Dear Abdulkarim
Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not know what the Bylaws state,
Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws? and read section 15 which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.



 
>> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.?
The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.? The? constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board listened and did exactly that.? GovCom and RC and AC derived from the community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter.?
Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee so appointed.
I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.

Mirriam?

    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,
?The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.?
The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.?

The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly my point.? A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.?
The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa. And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.?
?Do you expect a different result? Keep up the? positivity' and let me keep milking you.


Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?

On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Hello Abdulkarim,
?>>If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board? ?>>members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all? ?>>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the? ?>>PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.?


Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;
15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
15.2(10)? to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254?
Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;
The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;

The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee".? Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.?
Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list.?
All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.

? >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like? ??? >>the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest.?

The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.

Happy Eid al Fitr
Mirriam.
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath?me.? I was?thinking that?I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess?people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids.?
If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.? Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.?
?Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die,? I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.?

Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?
?? ?? ?
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Abdulkarim
I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.? We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.
It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you.?
Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.
I wish you all a Happy Eid al FitrMirriam.
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Sun May  1 16:00:24 2022
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 17:00:24 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Dear Community,

I provide the following comments, in line with the GovCom's request for
comments on the report to the community, regarding its advice to the Board.

Dear GovCom,

Thank you very much for the time you have taken to advise the board on this
matter. Specifically the problem that you state (Emphasis mine) as:




*The Situation at HandThere is a potential situation in which more than 3
Seats would have come up for election in the coming Annual General Members
Meeting of 2022 (AGMM 2022) and perpetually breaking the election sequence
in Seats for the regions as specified in the Articles 13.6 and 13.7.Whereas
the Board acted in its respective capacity, to ensure that the Seat for
Director to East Africa Region (Seat 6) was filled in September 2020.
However, instead of filling the seat via a casual vacancy, it conducted
elections for that seat prematurely, causing a situation in which the
Director would have completed the full tenure prior to the election
sequence as per Articles 13.6 and 13.7 of the Bylaws.*

My submission:

If the Board supervised the conduct of an election that was held
prematurely (with an erroneous tenure) and the tenure will end before the
next AGMM, the Board has two options, and I state them here below:

   a. Fix its own error. ie., Advise the Director that the tenure will end
earlier. In this case, since the election was held in September 2020, it
will still expire just before the AGMM in 2022, and not 2023 since it
should have been for a one or two year term, which concludes the term of
the previous occupant of the seat.

   b. Make a proposal to the members at the AGMM in 2022, on how to treat
this case, for members to approve. The treatment could be as simple as a
re-appointment till the conclusion of the AGMM in 2023, if the tenure must
not be truncated (due to some justifiable reason) by the AGMM in 2022.

My Justification:

Please note that more than three seats coming up for election at any given
year is not a problem. If there was Death, Fraud or any other improper
conduct, members are bound to leave the board and be replaced.

There is precedence in 2019, when 5 seats were filled in one single AGMM,
and I cannot recollect the heavens falling then.

I personally do not see this as a challenge that requires the deployment of
that amount of man-hours to come up with a solution that I (and probably
many more people I may not know) consider non-optimal.

Kindly take note of the following premises of a "members-friendly"
recourse, with the relevant sections in the AfriNIC Bylaws.

1. Directors elected per 13.4 (i) and 13.4 (ii) have a tenure of Three (3)
years. [Section 13.5]

2. The sequence of AfriNIC Board elections is inviolable, per section 13.6
of the bylaw unless waived at an AGMM, which has not been done. [Section
13.6]

3. The Board has the powers to fill casual vacancies. The Directors so
appointed as a result of a casual vacancy, have a tenure that is up to the
next AGMM. [Section 13.14]

4. The Power of Directors, as stated in Sections 15.3 i ...x does not
include the modification of tenure of Board members. This action  threads
upon the rights of members as enshrined in Articles 7.2 i, ii and  7.6 iv,
vi . Beyond filling casual vacancy to the next AGMM, the Board can do no
other thing, without recourse to members or conducting an election.

5. If there is any error in the tenure of Board members, or an anticipation
that there will be a problem in the some-time-of-tomorrow, the matter
should be brought to the AGMM which shall vote on the matter and decide
what the Board will do thereafter.

In conclusion, I note that in your report, you stated that:

*GovCom considers the recommendations made to the AFRINIC Board as final
and yet would welcome comments from the AFRINIC Members and Community at
large*

Your use of "Final" in this context is confusing to me, because from the
Charter of the Governance Committee

*4.2. Advice from the Governance Committee shall be non?binding, but
shall be duly considered by the Board, the Membership, or the community, as
the case may be.*

The Board thus has the liberty to take advice from many other sources on
the issue, apart from GovCom.

I have presented a different perspective to the matter, which follows the
bylaws, and also gives members the right to elect the type of people they
want as Directors, without the slightest recourse to Board arrogation of
powers or Judicial actions, which is unproductive and tiring for the entire
stakeholders.

I trust you and the entire community will find my comments useful.

Kind Regards to the community at large.

*Sunday A. Folayan*
Pioneer member of the Board
Past Chair of the Board


On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:10 AM AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> On April 23rd and 24th 2022, the GovCom had a 2-day face-to-face working
> session for the purposes of the assignment in reference to the Board's
> resolution 202202.677, whereby, the GovCom met as a result of a board's
> request where it had been mandated to undertake a Bylaws' amendment
> exercise and recommend workable solutions by the end of April 2022 in order
> to address the situation caused by casual vacancies at the level of the
> Board.
>
> In the spirit of transparency and good governance mechanisms, GovCom feels
> compelled to share with the AFRINIC Members and Community at large, the
> observations and recommendations GovCom made to the Board of AFRINIC after
> the legal team was solicited on specific issues only and on as a "when and
> required" basis discussions on the matters at hand.
>
> For the sake of clarity and ease of reference, the relevant sections of
> the 2007, 2016, and 2020 AFRINIC By-Laws are repeated below:
>
> By-laws 2007:
> 11.4 For the avoidance of doubt, the sequential election of Elected
> Directors prevailing at the date of adoption of this Constitution shall be
> continued so that, on the expiry of the respective terms of office of
> Elected Directors, the Directors shall be elected in the following sequence:
> (i) Election for Directors representing Northern Africa and Western Africa;
> (ii) Election for Directors representing the Indian Ocean and Central
> Africa; and
> (iii) Election for Directors representing Southern Africa and Eastern
> Africa.
>
> 11.5 The Primary Directors and the Alternate Directors shall be elected by
> Members on the date of each Annual General Meeting every three years. For
> the avoidance of doubt, the election of Directors shall not be considered
> as being part of the annual General Meeting but the proceedings of such
> election shall, subject to Article 10.15 above, be the same as for a
> General Meeting.
>
> 11.7 In the case where there is no eligible candidate for a particular
> region, the Director already in office in the particular seat shall be
> deemed to have been elected for one further term.
>
> 11.12 The Directors shall have power at any time and from time to time to
> appoint any person to be a Director to fill a casual vacancy in the Board.
> Any Director so appointed shall hold office only until the next following
> Annual General Meeting at which Directors are elected and shall then be
> eligible for re-election.
>
>
> By-Laws 2016:
> 13.5 Each of the following six sub-regions of Africa shall be represented
> by one Director as indicated below:
> (i) Northern Africa (seat 1);
> (ii) Western Africa (seat 2);
> (iii) Indian Ocean (seat 3);
> (iv) Central Africa (seat 4);
> (v) Southern Africa (seat 5); and
> (vi) Eastern Africa (seat 6).
>
> Each Director elected under Articles 13.4(i) and 13.4(ii) of this
> Constitution shall hold office for a term of three years, which term of
> office shall expire on the date of the Annual General Members' Meeting held
> on or around the third anniversary of the date of appointment of such
> Elected Director. Subject to Article 13.6, such Director shall be eligible
> for re-election on the expiry of his term of office.
>
> 13.6 For the avoidance of doubt, the sequential election of Directors
> elected under Article 13.4 (i) of this Constitution, prevailing at the date
> of adoption of this Constitution shall be continued so that, on the expiry
> of the respective terms of office of Directors, they shall be elected in
> the following sequence:
> (i) Election for Directors representing Northern Africa and Western Africa;
> (ii) Election for Directors representing the Indian Ocean and Central
> Africa; and
> (iii) Election for Directors representing Southern Africa and Eastern
> Africa.
>
> 13.14 The Directors shall have power at any time and from time to time to
> appoint any person to be a Director to fill a casual vacancy in the Board.
> Any Director so appointed shall hold office only until the next following
> Annual General Members' Meeting at which Directors are elected and shall
> then be eligible for re-election.
>
> By-Laws 2020:
> 13.6) For the avoidance of doubt, the sequential election of Directors
> elected under Article 13.4(i) of this Constitution, prevailing at the date
> of adoption of this Constitution shall be continued so that, on the expiry
> of the respective terms of office of Directors, they shall be elected in
> the following sequence:
>     The election for Directors representing Northern Africa and Western
> Africa;
>     The election for Directors representing the Indian Ocean and Central
> Africa; and
>     The election for Directors representing Southern Africa and Eastern
> Africa.
>
> 13.7) Election mechanism
> Except for the Chief Executive Officer, and subject to Articles 13.10 and
> 13.11, all other Directors shall be elected by Resource and Registered
> Members on the date of each Annual General Members? Meeting.
> Six directors representing each of the regions listed in Article 13.5
> shall be elected according to Article 13.6.
> Two Region-Independent Directors representing seats 7 (seven) and 8
> (eight) shall be elected during the same elections as for Northern and
> Western (seats 2 and 1) and the Indian Ocean and Central (seats 3 and 4)
> and shall hold office according to the terms of Article 13.10 of the
> Constitution.
> The NomCom shall, in terms of the existing election process, take all the
> relevant actions for the participation of these nominees in the election of
> directors.
>
> 13.14) Notwithstanding the other provisions but subject to the provisions
> of article 13.10 of the bylaws, the Board shall, where it considers that it
> may not be reasonable to wait for the next Annual General Members? Meeting
> to fill a casual vacancy that has arisen pursuant to article 14.1(ii),
> (iii) or (iv) below, have power at any time and from time to time to
> appoint any person to be a Director to fill a casual vacancy in the Board.
> Any Director so appointed shall hold office only until the next following
> Annual General Members? Meeting at which Directors are elected and shall
> then be eligible for re-election. [Amended at the 2020 AGMM]
>
> The Situation at Hand
> There is a potential situation in which more than 3 Seats would have come
> up for election in the coming Annual General Members Meeting of 2022 (AGMM
> 2022) and perpetually breaking the election sequence in Seats for the
> regions as specified in the Articles 13.6 and 13.7.
>
> Whereas the Board acted in its respective capacity, to ensure that the
> Seat for Director to East Africa Region (Seat 6) was filled in September
> 2020. However, instead of filling the seat via a casual vacancy, it
> conducted elections for that seat prematurely, causing a situation in which
> the Director would have completed the full tenure prior to the election
> sequence as per Articles 13.6 and 13.7 of the Bylaws.
>
> The GovCom deemed it fit that a By-Law amendment exercise may not be a
> solution to the current challenges based on the observations below
>
> 1. GovCom requested and reviewed all the past 3 By-laws and especially
> regarding the sections on the Filling of Casual Vacancy and the ensuing
> conduct of elections to the Board of AFRINIC as a result of it. GovCom is
> of the view that the explicit provision in the By-Laws regarding the
> filling of a Casual Vacancy cannot be used in the conducting of elections,
> nor can the explicit provisions in the By-Laws regarding the conducting of
> elections be used in filling a Casual Vacancy on the Board.  And that when
> interpreting the By-Laws it must be in full taking into account all the
> relevant provisions and not simply a part of it.
>
> 2. GovCom is of the view that in all 3 By-Laws, provisions were made to
> ensure the Board at any time and from time to time fills in a causal
> vacancy should the need arise, and yet none of the 3 By-Laws provided
> alternative election mechanisms for the ensuing conduct of elections after
> a casual vacancy has been filled. And as such GovCom is of the view that
> the only elections mechanisms that be used to conduct elections either post
> causal vacancy and/or at any other time are those specified in Article 13.6
> and Article 13.7 of the 2020 By-Laws.
>
> 3. GovCom found it totally unnecessary and irrelevant to go through a
> By-Law amendment exercise of Article 13.14 just to arrive at using the same
> election mechanisms in Articles 13.6 and 13.7 for the conduct of elections
> when no other alternative election mechanisms were ever in place.
>
> 4. The By-laws do not empower the Nomination Committee, Election
> Committee, and also the AFRINIC Board to vary the mandated 3-Year tenure of
> an elected Director or vary the sequence in which Directors of the 6
> Regions and 2 Non-Regions are elected.
>
> Challenges and Risks
> The GovCom articulated that the following challenges are currently being
> experienced in the organization with reference to the election process and
> the filling of casual vacancies. These challenges may at a later stage
> impact the governance of the organization. These are:-
> 1.     Misinterpretation of Article 13.14 in relation to when the next
> AGMM of the respective seats are to be filled
>
> 2.     Organization Instability when the Board can?t raise quorum due to
> when many seats are open for elections
>
> 3.     Giving an elected Director a tenure less than the 3-years mandated
> by the By-Laws
>
> 4.     Breaking of sequence in Articles 13.6 and 13.7
>
> Recommendations to the AFRINIC Board
> Whereas the GovCom is conversant of all the above challenges that
> reference Article 13.14.
>
> GovCom made the following recommendations to the AFRINIC Board that:
> 1.     A maximum of only three (3) seats should be opened for election at
> any respective AGMM as per the following:
>
> 1.     Presently, elections for Board Seats #1, #2 and #7 will be held in
> the year 2022;
>
> 2.     For the purposes of elections of Board Seats #3, #4 and #8, same to
> be held in the year 2023;
>
> 3.     For the purposes of elections of Board Seats #5 and #6, the same is
> to be held in the year 2024;
>
> 2.     In an event that a casual vacancy must be filled, the Board should
> fill the said vacancy till the end of the previous candidate?s mandate,
> i.e. when the next AGMM of the respective seat comes up for election per
> Article 13.6 and Article 13.7 of the 2020 By-Laws.
>
> 3.     Board Seat #4 is vacant and should be filled with casual vacancy up
> to AGMM 2023
>
> 4.     Board Seat #5 be extended to AGMM 2024 to ensure the stability of
> the sequence as per Articles 13.6 and 13.7 of the 2020 By-Laws.
>
> 5.     Furthermore in regard to Seat #6 - the Board should find an
> appropriate mechanism to ensure that the Seat does not become vacant after
> the AGMM in 2023.
>
> 6.     Amendment of the process of filling the casual vacancy by including
> the community involvement in form of comments then the Board will make an
> informed decision from the comments.
>
> General recommendations from Committees
> GovCom notes that most of the recommendations are to be effected in the
> coming year or two years.  Since the GovCom receives requests from the
> Board, the CEO, and the community, it is difficult to track the status of
> the implementation of these recommendations and the Board?s resolutions;
> ? Therefore, the GovCom recommends that a Board resolution tracking system
> be implemented
>
> GovCom's report should not be confused with a minutes of the GovCom
> meeting which is required to be published as required.
>
> GovCom considers the recommendations made to the AFRINIC Board as final
> and yet would welcome comments from the AFRINIC Members and Community at
> large.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel K. Nanghaka
> Chair ? GovCom
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From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:31:21 +0100
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Dear Mirriam,
 I have no problem with setting up a Governance Committee. The board can
set it up by asking various sections of the community to nominate and not
for the board to be the one to screen and nominate.

Can you now go ahead and answer my question.

Cheers

AK

On Sun, 1 May 2022, 13:37 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point
> you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form
> committees and GovCom is one such committee.
>
> I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my
> previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and
> provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my
> previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws
> which empowers the board to appoint such committees.
>
> Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving
> the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection
> 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the
> answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures
> lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came
> about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom
> Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.
>
> Mirriam.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
>
> I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the
> committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the
> members.
> Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of
> these board members  are power hungry and you are referring me to the same
> resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.
>
>  You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you
> again. Let me make it clear
>
> Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating
> board member and this same board member voted in the process.
>
> Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board member
> Issue two: same board member participating in the process.
>
> I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make
> false claims.
>
> Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose
> seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and
> someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the
> typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing.
>
> Just to clear things up.
> Back to you.
>
>
> AK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  >>Dear Mirriam,
>
>   >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not
> know what the Bylaws state,
>
> Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws  and read section 15
> which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.
>
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> >> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.
>
> The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the
> provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the
> subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
>
> *x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of
> reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.*
>
> Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.  The
> constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board
> of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the
> board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the
> community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be
> recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board
> listened and did exactly that.  GovCom and RC and AC derived from the
> community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter.
>
> Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by
> facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to
> read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee
> so appointed.
>
> I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as
> facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.
>
>
> Mirriam
>
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
>
>  The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.
>
> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.
>
>
> The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly
> my point.  A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.
>
> The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply
> extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted
> in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa.
> And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.
>
>  Do you expect a different result? Keep up the  positivity' and let me
> keep milking you.
>
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Abdulkarim,
>
>  >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board   >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members
> of the governance committee, all   >>members of the appeal committee and
> all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the   >>PDP by proxy then
> please come out clearly and say you think it is right.
>
>
> Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just
> sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in
> Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as
> below;
>
> 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
>
> 15.2(10)  to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms
> of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
>
> Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals
> Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC
> which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
>
> Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254
>
> Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to
> create a Governance Committee;
>
> The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the
> Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;
>
>
> The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence
> that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
> committee".  Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up
> with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs
> rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.
>
> Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its
> completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I
> recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire
> discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this
> mailing list.
>
> All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have
> attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the
> Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the
> book to appoint all this committees.
>
>
>   >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the
> moment there is nothing like
>   >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are
> really honest.
>
> The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create
> distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing
> today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.
>
>
> Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
> Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath
> me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things
> are now beneath me.  I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from
> my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people
> like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African
> course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they
> are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and
> Kids.
>
> If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of
> the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other
> committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come
> out clearly and say you think it is right.  Let us have it on record. I
> have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
>
> My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment
> there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few
> individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever
> means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project
> to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also
> get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.
>
>  Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you
> mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily
> bread till I die,  I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under
> the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.  We women who are on
> these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty
> emails that have been flying from you and others.
>
> It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business
> card but this is beneath you.
>
> Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a
> person with a PhD.
>
> I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
>
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
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From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 07:15:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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 Dear Mirriam,
>> I have no problem with setting up a Governance Committee.?
Good.
>> The board can set it up by asking various sections of the community to nominate?>> not for the board to be the one to screen and nominate.?
Wrong.
Afrinic Resource Members vote and elect one of the two GovCom members each year through the NOMCOM process.
The Board only appoints one member of GovCom from the community through a public call for volunteers.
>> Can you now go ahead and answer my question.??
The answers to your questions are answered in relevant board resolutions and the rationale is published there. While we can all have opinions, I have no any negative perception towards the Board and Afrinic.
Mirriam.    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 11:31:35 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,?I have no problem with setting up a Governance Committee. The board can set it up by asking various sections of the community to nominate and not for the board to be the one to screen and nominate.?
Can you now go ahead and answer my question.??
Cheers?
AK
On Sun, 1 May 2022, 13:37 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Dear Abdulkarim
I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form committees and GovCom is one such committee.
I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws which empowers the board to appoint such committees.
Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.
Mirriam.

    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,
I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the members.?Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of these board members? are power hungry and you are referring me to the same resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.??You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you again. Let me make it clear
Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating board member and this same board member voted in the process.
Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board memberIssue two: same board member participating in the process.?
I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make false claims.?
Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing.?
Just to clear things up.?Back to you.?

AK




On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

 ?>>Dear Mirriam,
? >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.?
Dear Abdulkarim
Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not know what the Bylaws state,
Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws? and read section 15 which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.



 
>> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.?
The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.? The? constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board listened and did exactly that.? GovCom and RC and AC derived from the community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter.?
Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee so appointed.
I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.

Mirriam?

    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,
?The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.?
The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.?

The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly my point.? A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.?
The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa. And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.?
?Do you expect a different result? Keep up the? positivity' and let me keep milking you.


Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?

On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Hello Abdulkarim,
?>>If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board? ?>>members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all? ?>>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the? ?>>PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.?


Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;
15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
15.2(10)? to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254?
Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;
The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;

The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee".? Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.?
Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list.?
All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.

? >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like? ??? >>the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest.?

The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.

Happy Eid al Fitr
Mirriam.
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:  
 
 Dear Mirriam,Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath?me.? I was?thinking that?I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess?people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids.?
If you think that it is?right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint?all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint?the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out?clearly and say you think it is right.? Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the?authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.?
?Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die,? I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.?

Yours?truly
AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.)?
?? ?? ?
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Abdulkarim
I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.? We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.
It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you.?
Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.
I wish you all a Happy Eid al FitrMirriam.
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From oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng  Mon May  2 07:37:00 2022
From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 08:37:00 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Dear Mirriam,
Thanks once again.

Before you conclude that I am wrong. Please tell us how many members of
Govcom are  appointed by members and how many appointed by the community.
Then also how many from both sides are voting members.

Then also how big ( in terms of numbers) is the community and the  board
and the percentage representation of each group. Then you tell me if this
is suppose to be.

Does the community also appoint to NOMCOM?

Thanks

AK

On Mon, 2 May 2022, 08:16 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Mirriam,
>
> >> I have no problem with setting up a Governance Committee.
>
> Good.
>
> >> The board can set it up by asking various sections of the community to
> nominate
> >> not for the board to be the one to screen and nominate.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Afrinic Resource Members vote and elect one of the two GovCom members each
> year through the NOMCOM process.
>
> The Board only appoints one member of GovCom from the community through a
> public call for volunteers.
>
> >> Can you now go ahead and answer my question.
>
> The answers to your questions are answered in relevant board resolutions
> and the rationale is published there. While we can all have opinions, I
> have no any negative perception towards the Board and Afrinic.
>
> Mirriam.
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 11:31:35 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
>  I have no problem with setting up a Governance Committee. The board can
> set it up by asking various sections of the community to nominate and not
> for the board to be the one to screen and nominate.
>
> Can you now go ahead and answer my question.
>
> Cheers
>
> AK
>
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 13:37 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point
> you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form
> committees and GovCom is one such committee.
>
> I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my
> previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and
> provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my
> previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws
> which empowers the board to appoint such committees.
>
> Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving
> the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection
> 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the
> answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures
> lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came
> about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom
> Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.
>
> Mirriam.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
>
> I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the
> committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the
> members.
> Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of
> these board members  are power hungry and you are referring me to the same
> resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.
>
>  You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you
> again. Let me make it clear
>
> Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating
> board member and this same board member voted in the process.
>
> Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board member
> Issue two: same board member participating in the process.
>
> I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make
> false claims.
>
> Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose
> seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and
> someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the
> typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing.
>
> Just to clear things up.
> Back to you.
>
>
> AK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  >>Dear Mirriam,
>
>   >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not
> know what the Bylaws state,
>
> Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws  and read section 15
> which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.
>
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> >> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.
>
> The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the
> provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the
> subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
>
> *x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of
> reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.*
>
> Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.  The
> constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board
> of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the
> board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the
> community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be
> recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board
> listened and did exactly that.  GovCom and RC and AC derived from the
> community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter.
>
> Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by
> facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to
> read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee
> so appointed.
>
> I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as
> facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.
>
>
> Mirriam
>
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
>
>  The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee.
>
> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place.
>
>
> The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly
> my point.  A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down.
>
> The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply
> extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted
> in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa.
> And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'.
>
>  Do you expect a different result? Keep up the  positivity' and let me
> keep milking you.
>
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Abdulkarim,
>
>  >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board   >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members
> of the governance committee, all   >>members of the appeal committee and
> all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the   >>PDP by proxy then
> please come out clearly and say you think it is right.
>
>
> Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just
> sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in
> Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as
> below;
>
> 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
>
> 15.2(10)  to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms
> of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
>
> Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals
> Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC
> which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
>
> Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254
>
> Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to
> create a Governance Committee;
>
> The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the
> Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;
>
>
> The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence
> that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall
> committee".  Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up
> with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs
> rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board.
>
> Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its
> completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I
> recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire
> discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this
> mailing list.
>
> All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have
> attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the
> Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the
> book to appoint all this committees.
>
>
>   >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the
> moment there is nothing like
>   >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are
> really honest.
>
> The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create
> distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing
> today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.
>
>
> Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mirriam,
> Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath
> me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things
> are now beneath me.  I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from
> my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people
> like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African
> course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they
> are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and
> Kids.
>
> If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to
> appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of
> the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other
> committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come
> out clearly and say you think it is right.  Let us have it on record. I
> have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
>
> My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment
> there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few
> individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever
> means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project
> to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also
> get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone.
>
>  Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you
> mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily
> bread till I die,  I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under
> the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE.
>
>
> Yours truly
>
> AK ..*MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University
> of York, UK.) *
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Abdulkarim
>
> I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.  We women who are on
> these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty
> emails that have been flying from you and others.
>
> It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business
> card but this is beneath you.
>
> Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a
> person with a PhD.
>
> I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
>
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From owen at delong.com  Tue May  3 00:36:49 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 17:36:49 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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> On Apr 30, 2022, at 23:27, Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu> wrote:
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> On 28/04/2022 11:07, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
>> 
>> 2. In an event that a casual vacancy must be filled, the Board should
>> fill the said vacancy till the end of the previous candidate?s mandate,
>> i.e. when the next AGMM of the respective seat comes up for election per
>> Article 13.6 and Article 13.7 of the 2020 By-Laws.
> 
> What could go wrong with this proposal?

It puts the board in the position of being able to appoint the board through the casual vacancy process for up to nearly the full term of each board seat potentially.

It allows a corrupt board to perpetuate itself by eliminating the elected members in favor of appointing corrupt members for the remainder of the term.

OTOH, if they are limited to casual vacancies only lasting until the next meeting at which elections can occur, it prevents this process because they cannot appoint members to multi-year terms.

Owen

> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
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From owen at delong.com  Tue May  3 00:42:29 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 17:42:29 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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The two of you are talking past each other about different things without achieving a meeting of the minds.

The board has the power to appoint committees and committee members.

The board has the power to appoint board members through the casual vacancy process UNTIL THE NEXT Member Meeting at which directors are elected. The recent board resolutions exceed this and have expanded the term of a board member in violation of the constitution (bylaws).

My understanding of AK?s posts is that he is referring to these appointments and the board?s failure to put up six seats for election this time as is required by the bylaws.

My understanding of your (Mirriam?s) posts is that you are talking about the appointment and ToR of various committees.

I will point out that for the governance committee to be able to properly do its job, it should be structured more like an independent judiciary than a traditional board committee since its job is an oversight function.

Owen


> On May 1, 2022, at 05:37, Mirriam via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Abdulkarim
> 
> I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form committees and GovCom is one such committee.
> 
> I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws which empowers the board to appoint such committees.
> 
> Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.
> 
> Mirriam.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Mirriam,
> 
> I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the members. 
> Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of these board members  are power hungry and you are referring me to the same resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.
>  
>  You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you again. Let me make it clear
> 
> Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating board member and this same board member voted in the process.
> 
> Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board member
> Issue two: same board member participating in the process. 
> 
> I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make false claims. 
> 
> Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing. 
> 
> Just to clear things up. 
> Back to you. 
> 
> 
> AK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>  >>Dear Mirriam,
> 
>   >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee. 
> 
> Dear Abdulkarim
> 
> Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not know what the Bylaws state,
> 
> Please go to the link https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws <https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws>  and read section 15 which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place. 
> 
> The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;
> 
> x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
> 
> Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false.  The  constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board listened and did exactly that.  GovCom and RC and AC derived from the community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter. 
> 
> Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee so appointed.
> 
> I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.
> 
> 
> Mirriam 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Mirriam,
> 
>  The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee. 
> 
> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place. 
> 
> 
> The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly my point.  A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down. 
> 
> The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa. And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'. 
> 
>  Do you expect a different result? Keep up the  positivity' and let me keep milking you.
> 
> 
> 
> Yours truly
> 
> AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.) 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Hello Abdulkarim,
> 
>  >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board   >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members of the governance committee, all   >>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the   >>PDP by proxy then please come out clearly and say you think it is right. 
> 
> 
> Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;
> 
> 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:
> 
> 15.2(10)  to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.
> 
> Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.
> 
> Governance Committee https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254 <https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254> 
> 
> Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;
> 
> The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;
> 
> 
> The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee".  Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board. 
> 
> Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list. 
> 
> All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.
> 
> 
>   >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like    
>   >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. 
> 
> The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.
> 
> 
> Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Mirriam,
> Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath me.  I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids. 
> 
> If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out clearly and say you think it is right.  Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.
> 
> My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone. 
> 
>  Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die,  I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE. 
> 
> 
> Yours truly
> 
> AK ..MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.) 
> 
>     
>    
> 
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Dear Abdulkarim
> 
> I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense.  We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.
> 
> It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you. 
> 
> Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.
> 
> I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr
> Mirriam.
> 
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Tue May  3 06:08:38 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 10:08:38 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
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Ho Owen,

On 03/05/2022 04:36, Owen DeLong wrote:
> It puts the board in the position of being able to appoint the board
> through the casual vacancy process for up to nearly the full term of
> each board seat potentially.
> 

Yes.

> It allows a corrupt board to perpetuate itself by eliminating the
> elected members in favor of appointing corrupt members for the remainder
> of the term.
> 

Yes.

> OTOH, if they are limited to casual vacancies only lasting until the
> next meeting at which elections can occur, it prevents this process
> because they cannot appoint members to multi-year terms.

Yes. Casual vacancies should last only until the next meeting. The
candidate should be eligible for re-election, if he/she wishes to stand,
but nomination/application should go through normal NomCom procedures.

The next elected candidate should receive only the remaining term of the
previous candidate though, instead of the full three-year term. Thus,
not impacting on the staggered terms.

Regards,

-- 
Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd




From comms at afrinic.net  Tue May 10 15:28:13 2022
From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 19:28:13 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for
	AFRINIC Board Elections
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Dear Members and Community,

NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidates slate for each respective seat on the AFRINIC Board:

Candidates Full Names for the Region: Northern Africa | Seat 1

1. Prof. Habib Youssef  - CV available at https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef

Candidates Full Names for the Region: Western Africa | Seat 2 

2. Mr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV available at  https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh

3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV available at https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale

Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7

4. Mrs Clara Mramba - CV available at https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba 

5. Mrs Grace Githaiga - CV available at https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga

Full candidates information has been published at https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x 

The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.

This time the election will be conducted both in-person on the AGMM date and electronically; electronic voting will start on 19th May 2022. 

Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal https://my.afrinic.net

Information about electronic voting is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process

Please read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at https://www.afrinic.net/privacy

For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net

AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022

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Chers membres et communaut?,

NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale des candidats suivants pour chaque si?ge respectif au conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC :

Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Afrique du Nord | Si?ge 1

1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef

Candidats Noms complets pour la r?gion : Afrique de l'Ouest | Si?ge 2 

2. M. Amin A. Dayekh - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh

3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale

Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Ind?pendant | Si?ge 7

4. Mme Clara Mramba - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba 

5. Mme Grace Githaiga - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga

Les informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x 

La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer tout commentaire sur la convenance des candidats au poste de membre du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section commentaire ? l'URL ci-dessus.

Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne ? la date de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique commencera le 19 mai 2022. 

Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net.

Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-process

Veuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.

Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net

AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022

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?????? ??????? ???????? ?

??? NOMCOM 2022 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? AFRINIC:

??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ???? ??????? | ?????? 1

1. ??????? ???? ???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef

??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ??? ??????? | ?????? 2

2. ????? ???? ?.???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh

3. ?.???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale

??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ????? | ???? 7

4. ?????? ????? ?????? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba

5. ?????? Grace Githaiga - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga

?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x

??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????.

??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? AGMM ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? 19 ???? 2022.

????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net

????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process

???? ????? ????? ???????? AFRINIC ??? https://www.afrinic.net/privacy

???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net

?????? ?????? 2022

???????????????????????????.

Caros Membros e Comunidade,

NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar os seguintes candidatos finais para cada lugar respectivo no Conselho AFRINIC:

Nomes completos dos candidatos para a Regi?o: ?frica do Norte | Lugar 1

1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef

Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: ?frica Ocidental | Lugar 2 

2. Sr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh

3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale

Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: Independente | Lugar 7

4. Sra. Clara Mramba - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba 

5. Sra. Grace Githaiga - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga

Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x 

A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.

Desta vez, a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022. 

A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net

A informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-process

Por favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacy

Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net

AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022

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From comms at afrinic.net  Tue May 10 15:32:29 2022
From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 19:32:29 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for Open
 Seat on the AFRINIC Governance Committee
Message-ID: <274C0650-910E-42A9-8197-209A216202A8@afrinic.net>

Dear Members and Community,

NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidate slate for the open seat on the AFRINIC Governance Committee.

Candidates Full Names for the AFRINIC Governance Committee Election Candidate(s) Slate for Election 2022

1. Mrs Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - CV available at https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot

Full candidates information has been published at https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022 

The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.

This time the election will be conducted  both in-person on the AGMM date and electronically; electronic voting will start on 19th May 2022; it will be concluded on 3rd June 2022 during the Annual General Members? Meeting (AGMM). AGMM as well this time will be held both physically and online (virtually).

Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal https://my.afrinic.net

Information about electronic voting is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process

Please read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at https://www.afrinic.net/privacy

For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net

AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022

???.

Chers membres et communaut?,

NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale suivante de candidats pour le si?ge ouvert au sein du Comit? de Gouvernance d'AFRINIC.

Noms complets des candidats pour l'?lection du Comit? de gouvernance d'AFRINIC Liste des candidats pour l'?lection 2022

1. Mme Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot

Les informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022 

La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les informations sur les candidats et ? exprimer leurs commentaires sur la convenance des candidats aux postes du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section des commentaires ? l'URL ci-dessus.

Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne le jour de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique commencera le 19 mai 2022 et se terminera le 3 juin 2022 lors de l'assembl?e g?n?rale annuelle des membres (AGMM). L'AGMM se tiendra ?galement cette fois-ci ? la fois physiquement et en ligne (virtuellement).

Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net.

Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-process

Veuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.

Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net

AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022

?????????????????????..

?????? ??????? ???????? ?

??? NOMCOM 2022 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? AFRINIC.

??????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? (?????) ???? ??????? AFRINIC ????????? 2022

1. ?????? Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot

?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022

??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????.

??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? AGMM ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? 19 ???? 2022 ? ???? ??????? ?? 3 ????? 2022 ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? (AGMM). ????? AGMM ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? (???????).

????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net

????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process

???? ????? ????? ???????? AFRINIC ??? https://www.afrinic.net/privacy

???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net

?????? ?????? 2022

??????????????????????.

Caros Membros e Comunidade,

NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar o seguinte quadro final de candidatos para o lugar aberto no Comit? de Governa??o AFRINIC.

Candidatos Nomes completos para a Comiss?o de Governa??o de AFRINIC Candidato(s) ? elei??o Slate for Election 2022

1. Sra. Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot

Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022 

A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.

Desta vez a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022; ser? conclu?da a 3 de Junho de 2022 durante a Assembleia Geral Anual de Membros (AGMM). A AGMM tamb?m desta vez ser? realizada tanto fisicamente como online (virtualmente).

A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net

A informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-process

Por favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacy

Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net

AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
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From rashida at forum.org.ng  Tue May 10 17:39:58 2022
From: rashida at forum.org.ng (rashida)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 18:39:58 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate
	for	AFRINIC Board Elections
In-Reply-To: <98CAE35F-A358-4594-85BA-E22669C919AE@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <20220510173704.095ECB6B9455@phoenix3.forum.org.ng>

Thank you very much for the published candidates slate, Noah Maina (Nomcom Chair), Ali Hadji Mmadi (Member), Bill Sangiwa(Member), and Dr Abdalla Omari (Board representative). I believe you must have worked hard on this selection.  As a resource member in good standing, my organization nominated and got a seconder (also in good standing) for a proposed candidate. We however do not see the name on the published candidate slate despite this person being well qualified to be a valuable director on the board of Afrinic if given a chance.According to section 12.14 of the bylaws of Afrinic, "Each Member may nominate one individual who shall be eligible to be elected as a Director..."Because we are very much aware that the individual we nominated also meets the requirements of Section 13.12 of the bylaws of Afrinic in which the Nomcom is empowered to seek "additional conditions for the eligibility of candidates to the position of Board Directors", we hereby request that Nomcom? provide details about how this individual was found ineligible or if it is a publishing error, that the error be corrected *before the public comments period is allowed to commence*?????? I trust that this will get the urgent attention it deserves as a matter critical to this organization and the upcoming members' meeting.Sincerely,Ms Rashida Umar
-------- Original message --------From: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net> Date: 10/05/2022  4:28 pm  (GMT+01:00) To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for	AFRINIC Board Elections Dear Members and Community,NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidates slate for each respective seat on the AFRINIC Board:Candidates Full Names for the Region: Northern Africa | Seat 11.?Prof. Habib Youssef??- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/habib-youssefCandidates Full Names for the Region: Western Africa | Seat 2?2.?Mr. Amin A. Dayekh?- CV available at??https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3.?Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewaleCandidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 74.?Mrs Clara Mramba?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba?5.?Mrs Grace Githaiga?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/grace-githaigaFull candidates information has been published at?https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x?The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability?of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.This time the election will be conducted?both in-person on the AGMM date and?electronically; electronic voting will start on?19th May 2022.?Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal?https://my.afrinic.netInformation about electronic voting is available at:?https://afrinic.net/election-processPlease read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at?https://www.afrinic.net/privacyFor any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.netAFRINIC NOMCOM 2022????????????????????????Chers membres et communaut?,NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale des candidats suivants pour chaque si?ge respectif au conseil?d'administration d'AFRINIC :Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Afrique du Nord | Si?ge 11. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/habib-youssefCandidats Noms complets pour la r?gion : Afrique de l'Ouest | Si?ge 2?2. M. Amin A. Dayekh - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewaleNoms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Ind?pendant | Si?ge 74. Mme Clara Mramba - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba?5. Mme Grace Githaiga - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/grace-githaigaLes informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x?La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer tout commentaire sur?la?convenance des candidats au poste de membre du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section commentaire ? l'URL ci-dessus.Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne ? la date de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique?commencera le 19 mai 2022.?Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net.Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-processVeuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.netAFRINIC NOMCOM 2022?????????????????????????????????? ??????? ??????????????NOMCOM 2022??? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ??????AFRINIC:??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ???? ??????? | ???????11.???????? ???? ???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ????https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ??? ??????? | ???????22.?????? ???? ?.???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ????https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3.??.???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ????https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ????? | ?????74.??????? ????? ?????? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ????https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba5.????????Grace Githaiga -??????? ??????? ????? ????https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ????https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ??????URL??????.??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????AGMM???????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ???19??????2022.????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ??????MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process???? ????? ????? ?????????AFRINIC?????https://www.afrinic.net/privacy???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ????nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net?????? ???????2022???????????????????????????.Caros Membros e Comunidade,NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar os seguintes candidatos finais para cada lugar respectivo no Conselho AFRINIC:Nomes completos dos candidatos para a Regi?o: ?frica do Norte | Lugar 11. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/habib-youssefCandidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: ?frica Ocidental | Lugar 2?2. Sr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewaleCandidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: Independente | Lugar 74. Sra. Clara Mramba - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba?5. Sra. Grace Githaiga - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/grace-githaigaInforma??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x?A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.Desta vez, a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022.?A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.netA informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-processPor favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacyPara qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.netAFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Wed May 11 07:20:44 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 11:20:44 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Announcement of Final
 Candidate Slate for AFRINIC Board Elections
In-Reply-To: <53CB8B0B-18E5-4681-9049-A0161BEA02C1@afrinic.net>
References: <53CB8B0B-18E5-4681-9049-A0161BEA02C1@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <49f04052-647d-fbae-0e72-d355c23ec5e3@lasentinelle.mu>

Dear members of NomCom,

On 10/05/2022 19:25, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7
> 
> 4.?Mrs Clara Mramba?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
> <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba> 
> 
> 5.?Mrs Grace Githaiga?- CV available
> at?https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
> <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga>
> 
> Full candidates information has been published
> at?https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
> <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x> 
> 
> The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details
> and express any comments about the suitability?of the candidates for the
> board position using the comment section at the URL above.

I know of at least one person from Mauritius who was nominated for the
Independent Seat 7 and who IMHO, is a capable candidate who should have
met with all you criteria, but I don't see the name in the list.

May I know on what grounds was the nomination of the Mauritian nominee
rejected?

Regards,

-- 
Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd




From dewole at tinitop.com  Wed May 11 08:50:27 2022
From: dewole at tinitop.com (Dewole Ajao)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 09:50:27 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for
 AFRINIC Board Elections
In-Reply-To: <20220510173704.095ECB6B9455@phoenix3.forum.org.ng>
References: <98CAE35F-A358-4594-85BA-E22669C919AE@afrinic.net>
 <20220510173704.095ECB6B9455@phoenix3.forum.org.ng>
Message-ID: <CAOS=cAXH+geNpon=6=ioq_Sv8PwKv=3qiEtUEFqkFHOE5fx17g@mail.gmail.com>

My name is Dewole Ajao - I currently hold the position of Director at
Access and Content Ltd - an ISP and AFRINIC resource member. I served as
co-chair of the AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group for a full term of
3 years and I am also the Head of External Relations at the Nigerian
Network Operators Group (ngNOG) where I help to build technical capacity
and foster an ecosystem where Internet Service Providers, mobile network
operators, content distribution networks, academia network operators,
government regulators, civil society, and others openly collaborate towards
growth of the Internet. I have worked within the African Internet space for
several years and have tried to contribute to AFRINIC's growth by
participating both online and in person since 2007.

I would like to point out that I am the proposed candidate referred to in
Ms Rashida's email yesterday.

I would also like to point out that contrary to text of the call on March
8, 2022 for NOMCOM volunteers at
https://www.afrinic.net/20220308-call-for-volunteers-on-the-nomination-committee-nomcom
1. This NOMCOM is not neutral
2. This NOMCOM has direct or indirect interests in the results of the
elections being held

And as such this NOMCOM (for reasons best known to them) is attempting to
manipulate the elections by presenting a candidate slate that limits the
choices available to members.

While the Board indicated what they would like to see in the NOMCOM, they
neglected to check the warning signs by approving an election process that
clearly stated there will be discrimination in the evaluation of candidates
(possibly because they did not want to be seen as interfering with the
process?).

This brings into question the process through which the NOMCOM was
constituted (since it was given to us by the Board, and a Board member is
indeed part of the NOMCOM). How many people expressed interest in being on
NOMCOM? How were the final three selected and on what basis (given that the
NOMCOM membership criteria is quite loosely defined)?

On reading the NOMCOM election process/guideline announcement, as a
resource member, I pointed this out (see
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-April/005163.html
) but rather than address the issue, the NOMCOM responded that they have
the power and they have done it and since the board has approved it, my
call for caution did not matter. The Board also chose not to address the
issue and here we are today with a doctored candidate slate.

In the past, I had maintained some degree of trust that the AFRINIC
leadership will to the best of its ability and within whatever constraints
it finds itself, act in the members' best interest. It appears now that
this trust may have been misplaced.


*As a resource member, my requests for clarity at this time are simple:*
1. That the parties responsible for the selection of NOMCOM 2022 provide
information on how this NOMCOM was selected. How many applications were
received? How did we end up with these NOMCOM members?

2. That the Board chair explain how NOMCOM 2022 was allowed to proceed
after presenting a process/guidelines that are in clear violation of the
principles the Board itself had defined in the call for NOMCOM volunteers

3. That the NOMCOM 2022 share how they arrived at the proposed candidate
slate. How many nominations were received for each seat? On what grounds
were the rejected ones rejected? Statistics can be shared without revealing
personal data (so that should not be an excuse). In my specific case, I
hereby waive all rights to confidentiality regarding my nomination.

4. I also request in my capacity as a resource member that the published
candidate slate be set aside until we have an unbiased election process.

I stood down on my initial request that the election process be re-examined
with the hope that NOMCOM would take the warning and be reasonable.
Clearly, that has now been tested and NOMCOM chose otherwise. This time, we
must fix this issue if indeed we care about this system.

Let me be perfectly clear that I am not desperate to receive the bashing
that comes with being an AFRINIC director these days; but I am genuinely
interested in volunteering my time and skills for improved governance of
the African RIR. That improved governance can only start with everyone
being responsible with whatever little task they volunteer or are paid to
do. It also comes with more members paying attention to what goes on
(rather than just paying their membership fees and looking away). When we
find things that need improvement in our processes and bylaws, we should
act to repair them immediately. We will find many things to be fixed
because the "rules" were created under an assumption that we all would be
working with a common goal and not personal interests.

I encourage other resource members and community members to spare some of
their valuable time to help address some of these issues. The silence of
the membership is what gives room for impunity.

Regards,
Dewole Ajao.

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 6:41 PM rashida via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:

>
> Thank you very much for the published candidates slate, Noah Maina (Nomcom
> Chair), Ali Hadji Mmadi (Member), Bill Sangiwa(Member), and Dr Abdalla
> Omari (Board representative). I believe you must have worked hard on this
> selection.
>
> As a resource member in good standing, my organization nominated and got a
> seconder (also in good standing) for a proposed candidate. We however do
> not see the name on the published candidate slate despite this person being
> well qualified to be a valuable director on the board of Afrinic if given a
> chance.
>
> According to section 12.14 of the bylaws of Afrinic, "Each Member may
> nominate one individual who shall be eligible to be elected as a
> Director..."
>
> Because we are very much aware that the individual we nominated also meets
> the requirements of Section 13.12 of the bylaws of Afrinic in which the
> Nomcom is empowered to seek "additional conditions for the eligibility of
> candidates to the position of Board Directors", we hereby request that
> Nomcom  provide details about how this individual was found ineligible or
> if it is a publishing error, that the error be corrected *before the public
> comments period is allowed to commence*
>
> I trust that this will get the urgent attention it deserves as a matter
> critical to this organization and the upcoming members' meeting.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ms Rashida Umar
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
> Date: 10/05/2022 4:28 pm (GMT+01:00)
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for
> AFRINIC Board Elections
>
> Dear Members and Community,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidates slate
> for each respective seat on the AFRINIC Board:
>
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Northern Africa | Seat 1
>
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef  - CV available at
> https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Western Africa | Seat 2
>
> 2. Mr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV available at
> https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV available at
> https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7
>
> 4. Mrs Clara Mramba - CV available at https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. Mrs Grace Githaiga - CV available at https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> Full candidates information has been published at
> https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
>
> The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details
> and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the
> board position using the comment section at the URL above.
>
> This time the election will be conducted both in-person on the AGMM date
> and electronically; electronic voting will start on 19th May 2022.
>
> Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal
> https://my.afrinic.net
>
> Information about electronic voting is available at:
> https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Please read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee
> by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> ????????????????????????
>
> Chers membres et communaut?,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale des candidats suivants
> pour chaque si?ge respectif au conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC :
>
> Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Afrique du Nord | Si?ge 1
>
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV disponible sur
> https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> Candidats Noms complets pour la r?gion : Afrique de l'Ouest | Si?ge 2
>
> 2. M. Amin A. Dayekh - CV disponible sur
> https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV disponible sur
> https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Ind?pendant | Si?ge 7
>
> 4. Mme Clara Mramba - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. Mme Grace Githaiga - CV disponible sur
> https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> Les informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur
> https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
>
> La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des
> candidats et ? exprimer tout commentaire sur la convenance des candidats au
> poste de membre du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section
> commentaire ? l'URL ci-dessus.
>
> Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne ? la date de
> l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique commencera le 19 mai
> 2022.
>
> Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC
> https://my.afrinic.net.
>
> Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur :
> https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Veuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse
> https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.
>
> Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des
> nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> ????????????????????????????
>
> ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
>
> ??? NOMCOM 2022 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ???
> ??? ?? ???? ????? AFRINIC:
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ???? ??????? | ?????? 1
>
> 1. ??????? ???? ???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ???
> https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ??? ??????? | ?????? 2
>
> 2. ????? ???? ?.???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ???
> https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. ?.???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ???
> https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ????? | ???? 7
>
> 4. ?????? ????? ?????? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ???
> https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. ?????? Grace Githaiga - ?????? ??????? ????? ???
> https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ???
> https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
> ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ???
> ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ??
> ????? URL ?????.
>
> ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? AGMM ??????????? ? ?????
> ??????? ?????????? ?? 19 ???? 2022.
>
> ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net
>
> ????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???:
> https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> ???? ????? ????? ???????? AFRINIC ??? https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ??????
> ?????????? ??? nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net
>
> ?????? ?????? 2022
>
> ???????????????????????????.
>
> Caros Membros e Comunidade,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar os seguintes candidatos finais para
> cada lugar respectivo no Conselho AFRINIC:
>
> Nomes completos dos candidatos para a Regi?o: ?frica do Norte | Lugar 1
>
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV dispon?vel em
> https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: ?frica Ocidental | Lugar 2
>
> 2. Sr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV dispon?vel em
> https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV dispon?vel em
> https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: Independente | Lugar 7
>
> 4. Sra. Clara Mramba - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. Sra. Grace Githaiga - CV dispon?vel em
> https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em
> https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
>
> A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos
> e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o
> cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.
>
> Desta vez, a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e
> electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022.
>
> A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC
> https://my.afrinic.net
>
> A informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em:
> https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Por favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em
> https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de
> nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From dewole at forum.org.ng  Wed May 11 10:31:49 2022
From: dewole at forum.org.ng (Dewole Ajao)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 11:31:49 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Anomalies in AFRINIC 2022 Election Process
Message-ID: <467639266.188913.1652265109051.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>

Dear AFRINIC BOD and Nominations Committee, 

Your urgent attention is required concerning the matters raised in the following threads. Please do not ignore as we cannot proceed with elections given the currently unresolved issues. 

[ https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-April/005163.html | https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-April/005163.html ] 

[ https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-May/005196.html | https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-May/005196.html ] 

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-May/005197.html 

[ https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-May/005198.html | https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-May/005198.html ] 

Thank you for your kind cooperation. 

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From owen at delong.com  Wed May 11 17:32:45 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 10:32:45 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for
 AFRINIC Board Elections
In-Reply-To: <98CAE35F-A358-4594-85BA-E22669C919AE@afrinic.net>
References: <98CAE35F-A358-4594-85BA-E22669C919AE@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <7D5CAD1C-4C16-484F-9626-0B6F783C71A5@delong.com>

Yet further evidence of the power grab by the AFRINIC board.

The nominating committee is supposed to serve to recruit qualified candidates to give the membership choices in the election of directors.

In this case, instead, they have become a selection committee of the board designed to prevent the election of candidates who disagree with current board policies and politics.

Perfectly qualified candidates have been rejected almost certainly on the sole basis that they do not support the current boards misdeeds.

Especially in the case of seat 1 where this is so blatant that they have chosen to proxy-appoint a board member instead of running a legitimate election.

I implore AFRINIC members to recognize this for what it is. At this point, it has literally risen to the level of election fraud.

I encourage those that do to call for a special members meeting at which an amendment to the bylaws can be made to:
	+ require the nominating committee to present a slate of at least N+2 candidates for each office, to 
	+ require the nominating committee to provide a detailed set of reasons to each disqualified candidate.
	+ require the nominating committee to publish that set of reasons if the candidate consents or requests that it do so.

Further changes that I think are necessary but not part of this immediate election concern:
	+ Require the governance committee to be comprised of a combination of board appointees and elected members
	+ Set a term of office for governance committee members and prevent the removal of GC members absent a vote
		of the general membership. To function properly, the GC must be an independent body free to provide oversight
		against board misconduct.
	+ Clarify that the process by which the staggered terms in the board shall be maintained in the event of vacancies
		prior to end of term shall be as follows:
			Board may appoint until the next election.
			At the next election, the elected candidate receives the remaining term until the seat would routinely
				be up for re-election.

Since this is a somewhat urgent reaction to this announcement, I haven?t had time to fully flesh out language implementing the
above recommendations for amendment to the bylaws, but I will endeavor to do so in the coming days and post them here.

Owen

> On May 10, 2022, at 08:28 , AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Members and Community,
> 
> NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidates slate for each respective seat on the AFRINIC Board:
> 
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Northern Africa | Seat 1
> 
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef  - CV available at https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef <https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef>
> 
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Western Africa | Seat 2 
> 
> 2. Mr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV available at  https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh <https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh>
> 
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV available at https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale <https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale>
> 
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7
> 
> 4. Mrs Clara Mramba - CV available at https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba> 
> 
> 5. Mrs Grace Githaiga - CV available at https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga>
> 
> Full candidates information has been published at https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x> 
> 
> The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.
> 
> This time the election will be conducted both in-person on the AGMM date and electronically; electronic voting will start on 19th May 2022. 
> 
> Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal https://my.afrinic.net <https://my.afrinic.net/>
> 
> Information about electronic voting is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process <https://afrinic.net/election-process>
> 
> Please read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at https://www.afrinic.net/privacy <https://www.afrinic.net/privacy>
> 
> For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net <http://afrinic.net/>
> 
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
> 
> ????????????????????????
> 
> Chers membres et communaut?,
> 
> NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale des candidats suivants pour chaque si?ge respectif au conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC :
> 
> Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Afrique du Nord | Si?ge 1
> 
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef <https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef>
> 
> Candidats Noms complets pour la r?gion : Afrique de l'Ouest | Si?ge 2 
> 
> 2. M. Amin A. Dayekh - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh <https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh>
> 
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale <https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale>
> 
> Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Ind?pendant | Si?ge 7
> 
> 4. Mme Clara Mramba - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba> 
> 
> 5. Mme Grace Githaiga - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga>
> 
> Les informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x> 
> 
> La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer tout commentaire sur la convenance des candidats au poste de membre du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section commentaire ? l'URL ci-dessus.
> 
> Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne ? la date de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique commencera le 19 mai 2022. 
> 
> Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net <https://my.afrinic.net/>.
> 
> Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-process <https://afrinic.net/election-process>
> 
> Veuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy <https://www.afrinic.net/privacy>.
> 
> Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net <http://afrinic.net/>
> 
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
> 
> ????????????????????????????
> 
> ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
> 
> ??? NOMCOM 2022 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? AFRINIC:
> 
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ???? ??????? | ?????? 1
> 
> 1. ??????? ???? ???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef <https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef>
> 
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ??? ??????? | ?????? 2
> 
> 2. ????? ???? ?.???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh <https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh>
> 
> 3. ?.???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale <https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale>
> 
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ????? | ???? 7
> 
> 4. ?????? ????? ?????? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba>
> 
> 5. ?????? Grace Githaiga - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga>
> 
> ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x>
> 
> ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????.
> 
> ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? AGMM ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? 19 ???? 2022.
> 
> ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net <https://my.afrinic.net/>
> 
> ????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process <https://afrinic.net/election-process>
> 
> ???? ????? ????? ???????? AFRINIC ??? https://www.afrinic.net/privacy <https://www.afrinic.net/privacy>
> 
> ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net <http://afrinic.net/>
> 
> ?????? ?????? 2022
> 
> ???????????????????????????.
> 
> Caros Membros e Comunidade,
> 
> NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar os seguintes candidatos finais para cada lugar respectivo no Conselho AFRINIC:
> 
> Nomes completos dos candidatos para a Regi?o: ?frica do Norte | Lugar 1
> 
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef <https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef>
> 
> Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: ?frica Ocidental | Lugar 2 
> 
> 2. Sr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh <https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh>
> 
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale <https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale>
> 
> Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: Independente | Lugar 7
> 
> 4. Sra. Clara Mramba - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba> 
> 
> 5. Sra. Grace Githaiga - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga>
> 
> Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x> 
> 
> A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.
> 
> Desta vez, a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022. 
> 
> A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net <https://my.afrinic.net/>
> 
> A informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-process <https://afrinic.net/election-process>
> 
> Por favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacy <https://www.afrinic.net/privacy>
> 
> Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net <http://afrinic.net/>
> 
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
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From dewole at forum.org.ng  Wed May 11 20:24:27 2022
From: dewole at forum.org.ng (Dewole Ajao)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 21:24:27 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Anomalies in AFRINIC 2022 Election Process
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20220511103426.085e5608@elandnews.com>
References: <467639266.188913.1652265109051.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>
 <6.2.5.6.2.20220511103426.085e5608@elandnews.com>
Message-ID: <2038832994.194976.1652300664333.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>

Dear Chair,

Thank you for your response. I believe that where the bylaws say "approved by the board", they did not intend for the custodians of an AFRINIC rubber stamp to meet, stamp "APPROVED", and disperse. It was believed that you the directors would stand in the gap for the membership and do the best that you can.

I'm not sure which one I find more shocking - The fact you as the leader of AFRINIC's board of directors are of the belief that the independence of a committee means that it can do as it pleases in violation of laws that you have been given the most responsibility to uphold OR The fact that you appear unable to comprehend the severity of the issues currently at hand. 

You shared meeting minutes that provide no answers to the questions I raised. What is the definition of "several volunteers"? On what basis were the chosen community representatives appointed? I'm sure you can at least take some responsibility since the committee despite its independence did not create itself.

While thanking you for your response, I must also register my concern about the manner in which you address member concerns. Please clarify, Mr Chair: Are you saying there is no problem or are you saying it is not your problem to fix? 

Regards,
Dewole Ajao.



----- Original Message -----
From: "chair" <chair at afrinic.net>
To: "dewole" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
Cc: "AfriNIC Discuss" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 7:59:47 PM
Subject: Re: Anomalies in AFRINIC 2022 Election Process

Dear Mr Ajao,

The Nomination Committee was appointed on 19 March [1].  The 
Nomination Committee works as an independent committee.  There is 
information about the Nomination Committee in the election process 
document [2].

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2022-minutes/20220319-minutes.pdf
2. https://www.afrinic.net/election-process/board/2022

Board Chair, AFRINIC



From yakmutd at googlemail.com  Wed May 11 23:58:15 2022
From: yakmutd at googlemail.com (Daniel I. Yakmut)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 00:58:15 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 917, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1652270401.30673.community-discuss@afrinic.net>
References: <mailman.5.1652270401.30673.community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <6386d605-d4ed-8960-3e54-2833b6671b73@gmail.com>

Dear All,

It has started happening.? When some of us were shouting that all is not 
well in the conducted of AfriNIC affairs, we were clearly branded as 
rebels and treasonable fellows.

However, it is clear and obvious that AfriNIC have been hijacked by a 
cabal. As with all despots around the world, the actions and activities 
of the cabal will be crush sooner than later.

It has started....

Simply

Daniel

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>     1. Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for	AFRINIC Board
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>     2. Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for Open Seat on the
>        AFRINIC Governance Committee (AFRINIC Communication)
>     3. Re: Announcement of Final Candidate Slate	for	AFRINIC Board
>        Elections (rashida)
>     4. Re: [members-discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate
>        for AFRINIC Board Elections (Ish Sookun)
>     5. Re: Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for AFRINIC Board
>        Elections (Dewole Ajao)
>     6. Anomalies in AFRINIC 2022 Election Process (Dewole Ajao)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 19:28:13 +0400
> From: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for
> 	AFRINIC Board Elections
> Message-ID: <98CAE35F-A358-4594-85BA-E22669C919AE at afrinic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear Members and Community,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidates slate for each respective seat on the AFRINIC Board:
>
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Northern Africa | Seat 1
>
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef  - CV available at https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Western Africa | Seat 2
>
> 2. Mr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV available at  https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV available at https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7
>
> 4. Mrs Clara Mramba - CV available at https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. Mrs Grace Githaiga - CV available at https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> Full candidates information has been published at https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
> The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.
>
> This time the election will be conducted both in-person on the AGMM date and electronically; electronic voting will start on 19th May 2022.
>
> Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal https://my.afrinic.net
>
> Information about electronic voting is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Please read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> ????????????????????????
>
> Chers membres et communaut?,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale des candidats suivants pour chaque si?ge respectif au conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC :
>
> Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Afrique du Nord | Si?ge 1
>
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> Candidats Noms complets pour la r?gion : Afrique de l'Ouest | Si?ge 2
>
> 2. M. Amin A. Dayekh - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Ind?pendant | Si?ge 7
>
> 4. Mme Clara Mramba - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. Mme Grace Githaiga - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> Les informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
> La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer tout commentaire sur la convenance des candidats au poste de membre du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section commentaire ? l'URL ci-dessus.
>
> Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne ? la date de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique commencera le 19 mai 2022.
>
> Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net.
>
> Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Veuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.
>
> Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> ????????????????????????????
>
> ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
>
> ??? NOMCOM 2022 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? AFRINIC:
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ???? ??????? | ?????? 1
>
> 1. ??????? ???? ???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ??? ??????? | ?????? 2
>
> 2. ????? ???? ?.???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. ?.???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ????? | ???? 7
>
> 4. ?????? ????? ?????? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. ?????? Grace Githaiga - ?????? ??????? ????? ??? https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
> ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????.
>
> ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? AGMM ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? 19 ???? 2022.
>
> ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net
>
> ????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> ???? ????? ????? ???????? AFRINIC ??? https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net
>
> ?????? ?????? 2022
>
> ???????????????????????????.
>
> Caros Membros e Comunidade,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar os seguintes candidatos finais para cada lugar respectivo no Conselho AFRINIC:
>
> Nomes completos dos candidatos para a Regi?o: ?frica do Norte | Lugar 1
>
> 1. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef
>
> Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: ?frica Ocidental | Lugar 2
>
> 2. Sr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh
>
> 3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale
>
> Candidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: Independente | Lugar 7
>
> 4. Sra. Clara Mramba - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>
> 5. Sra. Grace Githaiga - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>
> Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>
> A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.
>
> Desta vez, a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022.
>
> A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net
>
> A informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Por favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
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> Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 19:32:29 +0400
> From: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for
> 	Open Seat on the AFRINIC Governance Committee
> Message-ID: <274C0650-910E-42A9-8197-209A216202A8 at afrinic.net>
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> Dear Members and Community,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidate slate for the open seat on the AFRINIC Governance Committee.
>
> Candidates Full Names for the AFRINIC Governance Committee Election Candidate(s) Slate for Election 2022
>
> 1. Mrs Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - CV available at https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot
>
> Full candidates information has been published at https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022
>
> The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.
>
> This time the election will be conducted  both in-person on the AGMM date and electronically; electronic voting will start on 19th May 2022; it will be concluded on 3rd June 2022 during the Annual General Members? Meeting (AGMM). AGMM as well this time will be held both physically and online (virtually).
>
> Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal https://my.afrinic.net
>
> Information about electronic voting is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Please read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> ???.
>
> Chers membres et communaut?,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale suivante de candidats pour le si?ge ouvert au sein du Comit? de Gouvernance d'AFRINIC.
>
> Noms complets des candidats pour l'?lection du Comit? de gouvernance d'AFRINIC Liste des candidats pour l'?lection 2022
>
> 1. Mme Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot
>
> Les informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022
>
> La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les informations sur les candidats et ? exprimer leurs commentaires sur la convenance des candidats aux postes du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section des commentaires ? l'URL ci-dessus.
>
> Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne le jour de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique commencera le 19 mai 2022 et se terminera le 3 juin 2022 lors de l'assembl?e g?n?rale annuelle des membres (AGMM). L'AGMM se tiendra ?galement cette fois-ci ? la fois physiquement et en ligne (virtuellement).
>
> Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net.
>
> Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Veuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.
>
> Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
>
> ?????????????????????..
>
> ?????? ??????? ???????? ?
>
> ??? NOMCOM 2022 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? AFRINIC.
>
> ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? (?????) ???? ??????? AFRINIC ????????? 2022
>
> 1. ?????? Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot
>
> ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022
>
> ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????.
>
> ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? AGMM ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? 19 ???? 2022 ? ???? ??????? ?? 3 ????? 2022 ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? (AGMM). ????? AGMM ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? (???????).
>
> ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net
>
> ????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> ???? ????? ????? ???????? AFRINIC ??? https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net
>
> ?????? ?????? 2022
>
> ??????????????????????.
>
> Caros Membros e Comunidade,
>
> NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar o seguinte quadro final de candidatos para o lugar aberto no Comit? de Governa??o AFRINIC.
>
> Candidatos Nomes completos para a Comiss?o de Governa??o de AFRINIC Candidato(s) ? elei??o Slate for Election 2022
>
> 1. Sra. Maud Adjeley Ashong Elliot - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/maud-ashong-elliot
>
> Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/govcom-candidates-slate-2022
>
> A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.
>
> Desta vez a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022; ser? conclu?da a 3 de Junho de 2022 durante a Assembleia Geral Anual de Membros (AGMM). A AGMM tamb?m desta vez ser? realizada tanto fisicamente como online (virtualmente).
>
> A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net
>
> A informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-process
>
> Por favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacy
>
> Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.net
>
> AFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
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> Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 18:39:58 +0100
> From: rashida <rashida at forum.org.ng>
> To: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>, General Discussions of
> 	AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, nomcom2022 at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate
> 	for	AFRINIC Board Elections
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> Thank you very much for the published candidates slate, Noah Maina (Nomcom Chair), Ali Hadji Mmadi (Member), Bill Sangiwa(Member), and Dr Abdalla Omari (Board representative). I believe you must have worked hard on this selection.  As a resource member in good standing, my organization nominated and got a seconder (also in good standing) for a proposed candidate. We however do not see the name on the published candidate slate despite this person being well qualified to be a valuable director on the board of Afrinic if given a chance.According to section 12.14 of the bylaws of Afrinic, "Each Member may nominate one individual who shall be eligible to be elected as a Director..."Because we are very much aware that the individual we nominated also meets the requirements of Section 13.12 of the bylaws of Afrinic in which the Nomcom is empowered to seek "additional conditions for the eligibility of candidates to the position of Board Directors", we hereby request that Nomcom? provide details about how this individual was found ineligible or if it is a publishing error, that the error be corrected *before the public comments period is allowed to commence*?????? I trust that this will get the urgent attention it deserves as a matter critical to this organization and the upcoming members' meeting.Sincerely,Ms Rashida Umar
> -------- Original message --------From: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net> Date: 10/05/2022  4:28 pm  (GMT+01:00) To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for	AFRINIC Board Elections Dear Members and Community,NOMCOM 2022 is pleased to announce the following final candidates slate for each respective seat on the AFRINIC Board:Candidates Full Names for the Region: Northern Africa | Seat 11.?Prof. Habib Youssef??- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/habib-youssefCandidates Full Names for the Region: Western Africa | Seat 2?2.?Mr. Amin A. Dayekh?- CV available at??https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3.?Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewaleCandidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 74.?Mrs Clara Mramba?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba?5.?Mrs Grace Githaiga?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/grace-githaigaFull candidates information has been published at?https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x?The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details and express any comments about the suitability?of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above.This time the election will be conducted?both in-person on the AGMM date and?electronically; electronic voting will start on?19th May 2022.?Electronic voting will be available on MyAFRINIC Portal?https://my.afrinic.netInformation about electronic voting is available at:?https://afrinic.net/election-processPlease read the AFRINIC Privacy Policy at?https://www.afrinic.net/privacyFor any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email at nomcom2022[at]afrinic.netAFRINIC NOMCOM 2022????????????????????????Chers membres et communaut?,NOMCOM 2022 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale des candidats suivants pour chaque si?ge respectif au conseil?d'administration d'AFRINIC :Noms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Afrique du Nord | Si?ge 11. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/habib-youssefCandidats Noms complets pour la r?gion : Afrique de l'Ouest | Si?ge 2?2. M. Amin A. Dayekh - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewaleNoms complets des candidats pour la r?gion : Ind?pendant | Si?ge 74. Mme Clara Mramba - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba?5. Mme Grace Githaiga - CV disponible sur https://afrinic.net/grace-githaigaLes informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x?La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer tout commentaire sur?la?convenance des candidats au poste de membre du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section commentaire ? l'URL ci-dessus.Cette fois, l'?lection se d?roulera ? la fois en personne ? la date de l'AGMM et par voie ?lectronique ; le vote ?lectronique?commencera le 19 mai 2022.?Le vote ?lectronique sera disponible sur le portail MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net.Des informations sur le vote ?lectronique sont disponibles sur : https://afrinic.net/election-processVeuillez lire la politique de confidentialit? d'AFRINIC ? l'adresse https://www.afrinic.net/privacy.Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par email ? nomcom2022[at]afrinic.netAFRINIC NOMCOM 2022?????????????????????????????????? ??????? ??????????????NOMCOM 2022??? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ??????AFRINIC:??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ???? ??????? | ???????11.???????? ???? ???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ????https://afrinic.net/habib-youssef??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ??? ??????? | ???????22.?????? ???? ?.???? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ????https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3.??.???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ??????? ????? ????https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewale??????? ??????? ???????? ???????: ????? | ?????74.??????? ????? ?????? - ?????? ??????? ?????? ????https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba5.????????Grace Githaiga -??????? ??????? ????? ????https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga?? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ????https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ??????URL??????.??? ????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????AGMM???????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ???19??????2022.????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ??????MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.net????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process???? ????? ????? ?????????AFRINIC?????https://www.afrinic.net/privacy???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ????nomcom2022 [at] afrinic.net?????? ???????2022???????????????????????????.Caros Membros e Comunidade,NOMCOM 2022 tem o prazer de anunciar os seguintes candidatos finais para cada lugar respectivo no Conselho AFRINIC:Nomes completos dos candidatos para a Regi?o: ?frica do Norte | Lugar 11. Prof. Habib Youssef - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/habib-youssefCandidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: ?frica Ocidental | Lugar 2?2. Sr. Amin A. Dayekh - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/mr-amin-dayekh3. Dr. Emmanuel Adewale Adedokun - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/emmanuel-adewaleCandidatos Nomes Completos para a Regi?o: Independente | Lugar 74. Sra. Clara Mramba - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba?5. Sra. Grace Githaiga - CV dispon?vel em https://afrinic.net/grace-githaigaInforma??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x?A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a aptid?o dos candidatos para o cargo de direc??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima.Desta vez, a elei??o ser? realizada pessoalmente na data da AGMM e electronicamente; a vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 19 de Maio de 2022.?A vota??o electr?nica estar? dispon?vel no Portal MyAFRINIC https://my.afrinic.netA informa??o sobre vota??o electr?nica est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-processPor favor leia a Pol?tica de Privacidade AFRINIC em https://www.afrinic.net/privacyPara qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2022[at]afrinic.netAFRINIC NOMCOM 2022
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> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> To: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>, AfriNIC Discuss
> 	<members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Announcement of
> 	Final Candidate Slate for AFRINIC Board Elections
> Message-ID: <49f04052-647d-fbae-0e72-d355c23ec5e3 at lasentinelle.mu>
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> Dear members of NomCom,
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> On 10/05/2022 19:25, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
>> Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7
>>
>> 4.?Mrs Clara Mramba?- CV available at?https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba
>> <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba>
>>
>> 5.?Mrs Grace Githaiga?- CV available
>> at?https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga
>> <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga>
>>
>> Full candidates information has been published
>> at?https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x
>> <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x>
>>
>> The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details
>> and express any comments about the suitability?of the candidates for the
>> board position using the comment section at the URL above.
> I know of at least one person from Mauritius who was nominated for the
> Independent Seat 7 and who IMHO, is a capable candidate who should have
> met with all you criteria, but I don't see the name in the list.
>
> May I know on what grounds was the nomination of the Mauritian nominee
> rejected?
>
> Regards,
>

From owen at delong.com  Thu May 12 00:13:03 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 17:13:03 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_SPECIAL_INVITATION_TO_ATTEND?=
 =?utf-8?q?_THE_AFRINIC_RESOURCE_MEMBERS_ROUNDTABLE=C2=A0?=
References: <6099e68263410a1dfe1c2d746c45b4e0@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <65FC99E6-227C-435A-9E99-0209C3C5F0CE@delong.com>

Am I the only one who thinks that sending out invites for such an event only 5 days before the event is rather short notice?

Owen


> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: AFRINIC <engagement at afrinic.net>
> Subject: SPECIAL INVITATION TO ATTEND THE AFRINIC RESOURCE MEMBERS ROUNDTABLE
> Date: May 11, 2022 at 01:11:47 PDT
> To: owen at larus.net
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> 
>  
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> 
> 
> SPECIAL INVITATION TO ATTEND THE AFRINIC RESOURCE MEMBERS ROUNDTABLE 
> 
> Dear Madam/Sir
> 
> Kindly disregard the previous e-mail; there was a typo in the date.
> 
> As part of its initiative to support and be closer to our Resource Member organisations in South Africa, AFRINIC; the Internet Registry for Africa, invites you to a roundtable that will take place in Johannesburg and Cape-town
> 
> Our team shall be in Johannesburg on "Monday, 16/05/2022, The Maslow Hotel, Rivonia Rd &, Grayston Dr, Gauteng, Sandton, 2031, South Africa" and we shall be in Cape Town on Wednesday 18/05/2022, Southern Sun Cullinan Hotel, 1 Cullinan St, Cape Town City Centre, Cape Town, 8001, South Africa. 
> 
> This roundtable will discuss the enhancement of your company?s Internet services infrastructure through the optimal management of your IP resources and best practices. 
> 
> To ease your effective participation you may choose a suitable time and location to attend one of the roundtable sessions::
> 
> Johannesburg 
> 
> Venue: The Maslow Hotel, Rivonia Rd &, Grayston Dr, Gauteng, Sandton, 2031, South Africa
> 
> Morning Session starting from 09:30 am  to 12:00 am(SAST)
> Afternoon Session starting from 14:30 to 17:00.(SAST)
>  
> 
> Cape-Town
> 
> Venue: Southern Sun Cullinan Hotel, 1 Cullinan St, Cape Town City Centre, Cape Town, 8001, South Africa
> 
> Morning Session starting from 09:30 am  to 12:00 am(SAST)
> Afternoon Session starting from 14:30 to 17:00.(SAST)
> We will be most grateful if you could confirm your participation at the latest by filling in your RSVP here <https://2022.internetsummit.africa/rsvp-for-south-africa> by 14/05/2022.
> 
> Thanking you for your usual cooperation, and looking forward to receiving your positive response.
> 
> For any information, please get in touch with us at engagement at afrinic.net <mailto:engagement at afrinic.net>
> We are also thrilled to inform you about the upcoming AIS meeting, you can register and find more details here: https://2022.internetsummit.africa <https://2022.internetsummit.africa/>   
> 
> 
> Yours Sincerely,
> 
> 
> AFRINIC
> Engagement Team
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From rashida at forum.org.ng  Mon May 16 16:15:47 2022
From: rashida at forum.org.ng (Rashida Umar)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 17:15:47 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Objection to the notice of AFRINIC AGMM 2022
Message-ID: <1330096014.323060.1652717747311.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>

Good day AFRINIC Board and Legal Adviser to the Board, 

We are in receipt of an Annual General Members' Meeting (AGMM) invitation. While the invitation is non-compliant with well-established requirements in several respects, we would like to point the following out to you and to the membership. 

1. Resource members pointed out the flaw in the election process as published but the Board in what seems to be a pattern of disdain for the membership, chose not to address the issue. The nominations committee whose lack of neutrality is now very clear, also passed the buck back to you the Board for being a part of the committee and for approving the proposed process. 

2. Resource members have also pointed out the extension of director tenures contrary to the mandates that had been given. They have also pointed out a deliberate failure to respect the law that casual vacancies are supposed to be filled until the next AGMM. Members have also pointed out that a vacant seat that should have been put up for election has been deliberately left out to give room for another casual filling of vacancy of a longer term. Reasons for these are of course best known to the board of directors and legal adviser. 

3. After the release of a candidate slate as output of a process that we are now aware was used to eliminate certain individuals, resource members have requested to have more details of the process by which the candidates for election were selected. The Board and the Nominations Committee in a show of power abuse has again refused to address this either on the mailing lists or in the "report" attached to the defective meeting notices. 

4. If the issues with the current nomination process and the seats up for election are not addressed, it should be noted that by the date of the next valid AGMM (whenever that may be), going by electoral mandate, AFRINIC will have only 2 directors that were placed on the board by mandate of the membership - Subramanian Moonesamy (Seat 3) and Benjamin Eshun (Seat 8). Every other person on the board (with the exception of the board-appointed CEO) would have been selected directly by casual vacancy, self-extension of director term, or by the nominations committee deliberately limiting the choices available to members. This will raise very serious ethical and criminal questions about the Board and the legal team that has allowed or endorsed all of this. 

While there are several issues that need to be addressed, we believe that by quickly addressing the fundamental issues of lawfulness, the election process and mandates of the members, the course can still be corrected. 

We hereby state categorically that we object to the AGMM proceeding under the current circumstances. A manipulated election process should not be allowed to stand and the bylaws should also be complied with in the conduct of an AGMM. 

Signed, 
Rashida 
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Mon May 16 16:38:14 2022
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 16:38:14 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Objection to the notice of AFRINIC AGMM 2022
In-Reply-To: <1330096014.323060.1652717747311.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>
References: <1330096014.323060.1652717747311.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>
Message-ID: <AM7PR03MB6451C88629CB8136F8FE1055EECF9@AM7PR03MB6451.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Board, Legal Advisors,

I have been informed by several sources (who were not the ones that filed for what I heard exists) that AfriNIC was served papers from the courts in the last 24 hours that ordered them amongst other things to make an announcement by close of business - which has now come and gone.

As such - can AfriNIC please either confirm or deny that the AGMM and election are subject to an injunction - and can AfriNIC please explain - if this information is correct - why they are once again willfully violated a court order instructing an announcement by a certain time - that has not gone out - despite multiple people who are not party to the filing being aware of said filing and informing me of its existence.

I am hoping AfriNIC can state this is simply not true and no such document exists - because the alternative would be very worrying (not that the meeting is subject to injunction -  but that AfriNIC would defy court orders again)

Thanks

Andrew


________________________________
From: Rashida Umar via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 9:15:47 AM
To: members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>; community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; legal at afrinic.net <legal at afrinic.net>; board at afrinic.net <board at afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Objection to the notice of AFRINIC AGMM 2022

Good day AFRINIC Board and Legal Adviser to the Board,

We are in receipt of an Annual General Members' Meeting (AGMM) invitation. While the invitation is non-compliant with well-established requirements in several respects, we would like to point the following out to you and to the membership.

1. Resource members pointed out the flaw in the election process as published but the Board in what seems to be a pattern of disdain for the membership, chose not to address the issue. The nominations committee whose lack of neutrality is now very clear, also passed the buck back to you the Board for being a part of the committee and for approving the proposed process.

2. Resource members have also pointed out the extension of director tenures contrary to the mandates that had been given. They have also pointed out a deliberate failure to respect the law that casual vacancies are supposed to be filled until the next AGMM. Members have also pointed out that a vacant seat that should have been put up for election has been deliberately left out to give room for another casual filling of vacancy of a longer term. Reasons for these are of course best known to the board of directors and legal adviser.

3. After the release of a candidate slate as output of a process that we are now aware was used to eliminate certain individuals, resource members have requested to have more details of the process by which the candidates for election were selected. The Board and the Nominations Committee in a show of power abuse has again refused to address this either on the mailing lists or in the "report" attached to the defective meeting notices.

4. If the issues with the current nomination process and the seats up for election are not addressed, it should be noted that by the date of the next valid AGMM (whenever that may be), going by electoral mandate, AFRINIC will have only 2 directors that were placed on the board by mandate of the membership - Subramanian Moonesamy (Seat 3) and Benjamin Eshun (Seat 8). Every other person on the board (with the exception of the board-appointed CEO) would have been selected directly by casual vacancy, self-extension of director term, or by the nominations committee deliberately limiting the choices available to members. This will raise very serious ethical and criminal questions about the Board and the legal team that has allowed or endorsed all of this.

While there are several issues that need to be addressed, we believe that by quickly addressing the fundamental issues of lawfulness, the election process and mandates of the members, the course can still be corrected.

We hereby state categorically that we object to the AGMM proceeding under the current circumstances. A manipulated election process should not be allowed to stand and the bylaws should also be complied with in the conduct of an AGMM.

Signed,
Rashida
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From hjul.paul at gmail.com  Tue May 17 05:32:31 2022
From: hjul.paul at gmail.com (Paul Hjul)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 07:32:31 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Will the AGMM still be held as scheduled,
 if not can an SGMM or further information and engagement session be
 held on those dates?
Message-ID: <CAF4kYpvpvGehwxqq9M3Y_WXST0KBfuTc3yHUqpZs0kBe=dO8Zg@mail.gmail.com>

While I have almost infinite sympathy for the staff involved in operations
and considerable sympathy for the CEO the lack of particulars and the
organizations inability to navigate "legal" waters is frankly intolerable.

As indicated yesterday the afternoon engagement session in Jhb, while
fruitful, showed the starkness of the governance issues and the disregard
for members (and frankly staff who were unfairly sent out to be thrown
under the Gautrain and tommorow hope that our Cape Townian colleagues
aren't inclined to find a MyCiti)

It would be my proposal that if - as appears likely - an injunction
precluding the holding of the AGMM as set out in the defective agenda has
been granted on a nisi basis (the court requiring Afrinic to show cause why
a temporary order is not made permanent) , that rather than running the
clock and hoping to get away with an AGMM or some reprieve judicially
(satisfying the court on the eve of the meeting that the meeting must
happen or the interests of justice makes it better to proceed with the
meeting) that the AGMM as scheduled be abandoned and associated events not
affected by the order be able to continue (my hunch is that the PPM would
be under the umbrella challenged).
Most importantly that the board and management avail themselves to engage
both publicly and privately with members during the period when some
members will be in Mauritius.

I will be re-checking the bylaws but I am quite sure the Board can call an
SGMM at any time (and must if 5% of members call for one). It is high time
that the membership be engaged as to the repeated legal bunglings to
ascertain whether the company needs to secure different external counsel or
whether internal counsel or the Board are ignoring external advise.
Those of us who would like to see a functioning Afrinic do not want matters
to end with a liquidation but if the Board behaves like Afrinic is above
the law and its members then liquidation will be the only course eventually
(hopefully operational staff can be transferred to another RIR and an
arrangement for same to have a contact point in Mauritius can be arranged).
The sooner this reality is understood the sooner the course correction can
happen.

Nothing will be worse for those members who have incurred expenditure to
attend the events to arrive at the venue and find that the sheriff has
locked the doors to the venue (while Mauritius practice may be a little
different to SA - or anywhere else - when voluntary member organizations
break their own bylaws and intend holding an irregular meeting things can
get messy and on the morning of a elective conference venues have been
locked, chairs get thrown and general animosity ensues). I really doubt
Afrinic will be refunding flights... More importantly so long as the is
uncertainty plans by members can't be changed or made.

Paul

>>

Dear Resource Members,

There has been some discussion about the upcoming election on the list.

Before the Board was able to finalise its response on the raised concerns,
we were served this afternoon with an interim order concerning the
elections.

The interim order is prohibiting AFRINIC from proceeding further with the
election of its board.

The legal team is preparing our response in court and we will keep our
members informed with the developments .

Kind regards,

Eddy Kayihura
Chief Executive Officer
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From dndannang at gmail.com  Tue May 17 05:42:36 2022
From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:42:36 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
Message-ID: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Community,

I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
DeLong.

I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
3-year tenure of an elected Director
The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
provisions in the current By-Laws.

In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions of
the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
2-years in the first place.

I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM.

regards,

Daniel
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue May 17 07:43:47 2022
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 07:43:47 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AM7PR03MB64517BE1E897CEE1825527E2EECE9@AM7PR03MB6451.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Except - this govcom - hasn?t read the law.

If indeed you are claiming that the election to a 2-year term was invalid per the bylaws - then in effect, you are claiming that the election of said director was invalid in entirety.

So let?s go with that for a second, if that?s the case acts of said director would remain valid but the election should be nullified.

Then you claim that the election of that seat would be impossible under the bylaws - well guess what - you don?t get to make up your own law as to how to deal with things the company?s act explicitly deals with.

136. Court may appoint directors
(1) Where -
(a) there are no directors of a company, or the number of directors is less than the quorum required for a meeting of the Board; and
(b) it is not possible or practicable to appoint directors in accordance with the company?s constitution or under section 140(3),
a shareholder or creditor of the company may apply to the Court to appoint one or more persons as directors of the company, and the Court may make an appointment if it considers that it is in the interests of the company to do so.
(2) An appointment shall be made on such terms and conditions as the Court thinks fit.

Andrew


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________________________________
From: DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 10:42:36 PM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique

Dear Community,

I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.

I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.

In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to 2-years in the first place.

I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a successful AGMM.

regards,

Daniel
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From hjul.paul at gmail.com  Tue May 17 08:11:44 2022
From: hjul.paul at gmail.com (Paul Hjul)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:11:44 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
Message-ID: <CAF4kYpu3cLGFtwfdydWb=+zxLycngxe4uRVgFC1Wb7VgEQBbGA@mail.gmail.com>

"I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM."
Frankly this is the wrong attitude. The defects with the AGMM are varied
and your "explanation" misses the simple point. The bylaws envisage that at
each AGMM there is an election. At that election the seats that become
vacant through term expiry must be held. Also at that AGMM must board
filled vacancies be up for election. Also any vacancies that have otherwise
arisen must be filled. There is no gap in the bylaws or need to depart from
this principle. If a situation where to arise where there is a lack of
directors then Mauritius law provides an answer that involves the courts.
Following the bylaws does not disrupt the sequencing, the ONLY time
sequencing would become an issue is if a person is given a new three year
term when filling a vacancy. Basic reading of the bylaws makes it clear
that the purpose of the language requiring a preservation of sequencing is
to ensure that vacancies are filled to run with the original term.

We don't know - because Afrinic have not disclosed - what the court has
ordered. What we do know is that the order will impact on the AGMM. We also
know that the govcom didn't properly apply it's mind and/or erred in its
recommendations and advise.

Paul


[Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
DANIEL NANGHAKA dndannang at gmail.com
Tue May 17 05:42:36 UTC 2022
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Dear Community,

I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
DeLong.

I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
Board. There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
3-year tenure of an elected Director
The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
current By-Laws 2020. And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
provisions in the current By-Laws.

In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
elected Director to the mandated 3-year term. They were no extensions of
the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
2-years in the first place.

I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM.

regards,

Daniel
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue May 17 08:18:24 2022
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:18:24 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAF4kYpu3cLGFtwfdydWb=+zxLycngxe4uRVgFC1Wb7VgEQBbGA@mail.gmail.com>
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We also note that even if this nonsense being stated is true - that resolves 1 outta 3 missing seats?

There is a long, by meatloaf, it says ?2 outta 3 ain?t bad? - well - we ain?t even got to that yet - and I would hope to hell that we strive for better anyway.  Remember - one rigged election seat is 2 many - never mind 3

Andrew

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________________________________
From: Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:11:44 AM
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique

"I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM."
Frankly this is the wrong attitude. The defects with the AGMM are varied and your "explanation" misses the simple point. The bylaws envisage that at each AGMM there is an election. At that election the seats that become vacant through term expiry must be held. Also at that AGMM must board filled vacancies be up for election. Also any vacancies that have otherwise arisen must be filled. There is no gap in the bylaws or need to depart from this principle. If a situation where to arise where there is a lack of directors then Mauritius law provides an answer that involves the courts. Following the bylaws does not disrupt the sequencing, the ONLY time sequencing would become an issue is if a person is given a new three year term when filling a vacancy. Basic reading of the bylaws makes it clear that the purpose of the language requiring a preservation of sequencing is to ensure that vacancies are filled to run with the original term.

We don't know - because Afrinic have not disclosed - what the court has ordered. What we do know is that the order will impact on the AGMM. We also know that the govcom didn't properly apply it's mind and/or erred in its recommendations and advise.

Paul


[Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
DANIEL NANGHAKA dndannang at gmail.com<http://gmail.com>
Tue May 17 05:42:36 UTC 2022
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Dear Community,

I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
DeLong.

I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
Board. There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
3-year tenure of an elected Director
The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
current By-Laws 2020. And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
provisions in the current By-Laws.

In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
elected Director to the mandated 3-year term. They were no extensions of
the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
2-years in the first place.

I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM.

regards,

Daniel
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From pascal at irenala.edu.mg  Tue May 17 08:55:59 2022
From: pascal at irenala.edu.mg (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:55:59 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number Resource
 Society)
Message-ID: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>

Dear all, 
For your information , 
In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC. 
I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case. 
Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training. 
Needless to say, IP addresses are free. 

And NRS left us his card . 

Regards, 


----------------- 

Pour votre information, 

Dans notre NREN ? Madagascar,nous avons eu la visite de NRS (Number Resource Society) qui nous a dit qu'ils travaillaient avec AFRINIC. 
Je pense qu'AFRINIC aura inform? ces membres si tel ?tait le cas. 
Il envisage ?galement de vendre des adresses IP et d'y installer un bureau et Le NRS, nous propose des formations gratuite norme ISO. 
Inutile de dire que les adresses IP sont gratuites. 

Et NRS nous a laiss? sa carte. 

Cordialement, 
	Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA (Mr) 
Webmaster i RENALA 
R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A ctivities - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ] 
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Cell ::+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 // +261 (0) 34 30 680 29 
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Tue May 17 09:24:29 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 13:24:29 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
 Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
Message-ID: <80B9C6B1-3EA9-48D4-AAF1-A92F17466CA2@lasentinelle.mu>

Hi Pascal,

> On 17 May 2022, at 12:55, Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg> wrote:
> 
> In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC.
> I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case.
> Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training.
> Needless to say, IP addresses are free.
> 
> And NRS left us his card.


Thank you for sharing this information.

Did the NRS staff/agent explained the process of ?selling? IP addresses?

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
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From iyedigoma at gmail.com  Tue May 17 09:50:00 2022
From: iyedigoma at gmail.com (Iyedi Goma)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:50:00 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
	Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
Message-ID: <CAAqM9kEE2Fcmm=CAP=E2OVRdbQePzh9QAJYK5cnnCEskNnad0w@mail.gmail.com>

Merci pascal pour cette information,
je pense que nous devrions demand? des comptes a cette entreprise sur la
qualit? de ses activit?s et surtout sur les pr?sum?s rapport ou relations
avec Afrinic,
Existe t il un lien entre Afrinic et NRS?
Au nom de qui ou de quoi pr?tend t il vendre les IP ?
pouvons-nous avoir des r?ponses?

Cordialement

serge-parfait Goma

Le mar. 17 mai 2022 ? 10:00, Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg> a
?crit :

> Dear all,
> For your information,
> In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC.
> I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case.
> Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training.
> Needless to say, IP addresses are free.
>
> And NRS left us his card.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -----------------
>
> Pour votre information,
>
> Dans notre NREN ? Madagascar,nous avons eu la visite de NRS (Number Resource Society) qui nous a dit qu'ils travaillaient avec AFRINIC.
> Je pense qu'AFRINIC aura inform? ces membres si tel ?tait le cas.
> Il envisage ?galement de vendre des adresses IP et d'y installer un bureau et Le NRS, nous propose des formations gratuite norme ISO.
> Inutile de dire que les adresses IP sont gratuites.
>
> Et NRS nous a laiss? sa carte.
>
> Cordialement,
>
> *Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA (Mr)*
> Webmaster i RENALA
> *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and *L*earning *A*ctivities
> - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche
> Scientifique - Fiadanana
> *Cell* ::+261 (0) 32 46 680 29  // +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
> _______________________________________________
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From pascal at irenala.edu.mg  Tue May 17 09:59:20 2022
From: pascal at irenala.edu.mg (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:59:20 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
 Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <80B9C6B1-3EA9-48D4-AAF1-A92F17466CA2@lasentinelle.mu>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
 <80B9C6B1-3EA9-48D4-AAF1-A92F17466CA2@lasentinelle.mu>
Message-ID: <322142097.4910.1652781560613.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>

Hi Ish, 

No, but NRS representative said that he represents AFRINIC and he works with AFRINIC. 

That we can pay at their premises once it's in place. 

Members should be informed of the situation. 

Regards, 
	Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA (Mr) 
Webmaster i RENALA 
R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A ctivities - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ] 
Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche Scientifique - Fiadanana 
Cell ::+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 // +261 (0) 34 30 680 29 


De: "ish sookun" <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu> 
?: "Pascal ANDRIANISA" <pascal at irenala.edu.mg> 
Cc: "community-discuss" <community-discuss at afrinic.net> 
Envoy?: Mardi 17 Mai 2022 12:24:29 
Objet: Re: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number Resource Society) 

Hi Pascal, 




On 17 May 2022, at 12:55, Pascal ANDRIANISA < [ mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg | pascal at irenala.edu.mg ] > wrote: 

In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC. 
I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case. 
Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training. 
Needless to say, IP addresses are free. 

And NRS left us his card . 




Thank you for sharing this information. 

Did the NRS staff/agent explained the process of ?selling? IP addresses? 

Regards, 

??? 

Ish Sookun 

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd 

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From owen at delong.com  Tue May 17 16:57:21 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 09:57:21 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAF4kYpu3cLGFtwfdydWb=+zxLycngxe4uRVgFC1Wb7VgEQBbGA@mail.gmail.com>
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The problem, Paul, is that the bylaws conflict with themselves.

Under the present circumstances it is literally impossible to follow the strict letter of the bylaws because they do, indeed call for three year terms without allowing for the election of partial year terms (unnumbered paragraph after 13.5 and before 13.6). However, they also insist on the maintenance of the sequentiality of terms (13.6). However, they do not (as the gov com has erroneously suggested) allow for simply leaving the seat vacant. Indeed, 13.1 requires the board to call a meeting of members for the purpose of appointing directors where vacancies occur as a result of any of the following:
	i.	Term expiration
	ii.	Removal or resignation under Article 14
	iii.	Disqualification of a director under Article 13.10
	iv.	Death
	v.	Filling of a casual vacancy in terms of article 13.14

However, as you point out, they also clearly call for elections and do not allow the board to appoint directors for arbitrary terms.

Finally, we have section 13.14 which allows the board to fill casual vacancies as a result of:

14.1(ii)	Resignation
14.1(iii)	Removal by 2/3rds vote of other directors
14.1(iv)	Ceases to be a director pursuant to section 139 of the companies act

	Summarizing section 139 (https://www.mcci.org/media/35749/the-companies-act-2001.pdf) it covers:
		(a) Resignation
		(b) Removal from office by board act or legal process
		(c) Disqualification by law (Section 133, under 18, over 70 (if a public company)
		(d) undischarged bankrupt
		(e) legally prohibited from being a director
		(f) not a natural person
		(g) adjudged to be of unsound mind
		(h) no longer qualifies under the company?s constitution)

So, as you can see, the Gov Com has chosen to follow all the bylaws except section 13.1. I?ve suggested a way forward that is a minor technical violation of the unnumbered paragraph between sections 13.5 and 13.6 in order to allow full compliance with 13.1 and 13.6. Further, virtually every other organization that has a staggered term structure as described here operates in the manner I have suggested with regard to electing persons to the remainder of terms to preserve the sequence of elections thereafter.

This problem is compounded when the nominating committee goes about eliminating valid candidates and paring the selection down to just one candidate for a seat, thus effectively appointing that candidate rather than having an actual election. Even with just two candidates to choose from for a given office, this is a very limited choice and it allows the nominating committee and the board to stack the deck in the electoral process.

The injunction does not stop the AGMM, it only stops the election of the board.

Owen





> On May 17, 2022, at 01:11 , Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
> successful AGMM." 
> Frankly this is the wrong attitude. The defects with the AGMM are varied and your "explanation" misses the simple point. The bylaws envisage that at each AGMM there is an election. At that election the seats that become vacant through term expiry must be held. Also at that AGMM must board filled vacancies be up for election. Also any vacancies that have otherwise arisen must be filled. There is no gap in the bylaws or need to depart from this principle. If a situation where to arise where there is a lack of directors then Mauritius law provides an answer that involves the courts. Following the bylaws does not disrupt the sequencing, the ONLY time sequencing would become an issue is if a person is given a new three year term when filling a vacancy. Basic reading of the bylaws makes it clear that the purpose of the language requiring a preservation of sequencing is to ensure that vacancies are filled to run with the original term. 
> 
> We don't know - because Afrinic have not disclosed - what the court has ordered. What we do know is that the order will impact on the AGMM. We also know that the govcom didn't properly apply it's mind and/or erred in its recommendations and advise. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
> DANIEL NANGHAKA dndannang at gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
> Tue May 17 05:42:36 UTC 2022
> Previous message: [Community-Discuss] Will the AGMM still be held as scheduled, if not can an SGMM or further information and engagement session be held on those dates?
> Next message: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> Dear Community,
> 
> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
> the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
> made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
> comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
> of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
> DeLong.
> 
> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
> the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
> Board. There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
> a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
> Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
> power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
> 3-year tenure of an elected Director
> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
> current By-Laws 2020. And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
> provisions in the current By-Laws.
> 
> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
> elected Director to the mandated 3-year term. They were no extensions of
> the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
> 2-years in the first place.
> 
> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
> successful AGMM.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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From owen at delong.com  Tue May 17 17:13:28 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:13:28 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAF4kYpu3cLGFtwfdydWb=+zxLycngxe4uRVgFC1Wb7VgEQBbGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF4kYpu3cLGFtwfdydWb=+zxLycngxe4uRVgFC1Wb7VgEQBbGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6920EB4A-B9D3-43F5-B434-9F6290980EAB@delong.com>

Apologies? I got references crossed up and post the following correction to my previous message?


The problem, Paul, is that the bylaws conflict with themselves.

Under the present circumstances it is literally impossible to follow the strict letter of the bylaws because they do, indeed call for three year terms without allowing for the election of partial year terms (unnumbered paragraph after 13.5 and before 13.6). However, they also insist on the maintenance of the sequentiality of terms (13.6). However, they do not (as the gov com has erroneously suggested) allow for simply leaving the seat vacant. Indeed, 13.1 requires the board to call a meeting of members for the purpose of appointing directors where vacancies occur as a result of any of the following:
	i.	Term expiration
	ii.	Removal or resignation under Article 14
	iii.	Disqualification of a director under Article 13.10
	iv.	Death
	v.	Filling of a casual vacancy in terms of article 13.14

However, as you point out, they also clearly call for elections and do not allow the board to appoint directors for arbitrary terms.

Finally, we have section 13.14 which allows the board to fill casual vacancies as a result of:

14.1(ii)	Resignation
14.1(iii)	Removal by 2/3rds vote of other directors
14.1(iv)	Ceases to be a director pursuant to section 139 of the companies act

	Summarizing section 139 (https://www.mcci.org/media/35749/the-companies-act-2001.pdf <https://www.mcci.org/media/35749/the-companies-act-2001.pdf>) it covers:
		(a) Resignation
		(b) Removal from office by board act or legal process
		(c) Disqualification by law (Section 133)
			(a) under 18
			(b) subject to section 138(4..7) over 70 (if a public company)
			(c) undischarged bankrupt
			(d, e) legally prohibited from being a director
			(f) not a natural person
			(g) adjudged to be of unsound mind
			(h) no longer qualifies under the company?s constitution)
		(d) becomes disqualified pursuant to subsection (4)
			(somewhat difficult to interpret as subsection 4 reads:
Notwithstanding the vacation of office, a person who held office as a director shall remain liable under the provisions of this Act that impose liabilities on directors in relation to acts and omissions and decisions made while that person was a director. 

			And has nothing to do with eligibility to hold the office.
		(e) dies
		(f) otherwise vacates office in accordance with the constitution of the company

So, as you can see, the Gov Com has chosen to follow all the bylaws except section 13.1. I?ve suggested a way forward that is a minor technical violation of the unnumbered paragraph between sections 13.5 and 13.6 in order to allow full compliance with 13.1 and 13.6. Further, virtually every other organization that has a staggered term structure as described here operates in the manner I have suggested with regard to electing persons to the remainder of terms to preserve the sequence of elections thereafter.

This problem is compounded when the nominating committee goes about eliminating valid candidates and paring the selection down to just one candidate for a seat, thus effectively appointing that candidate rather than having an actual election. Even with just two candidates to choose from for a given office, this is a very limited choice and it allows the nominating committee and the board to stack the deck in the electoral process.

Apologies also for my comment on the nature of the injunction. Apparently only AFRINIC is allowed to disclose its exact contents. Hopefully they will do so soon.

Owen





> On May 17, 2022, at 01:11 , Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com <mailto:hjul.paul at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> "I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
> successful AGMM." 
> Frankly this is the wrong attitude. The defects with the AGMM are varied and your "explanation" misses the simple point. The bylaws envisage that at each AGMM there is an election. At that election the seats that become vacant through term expiry must be held. Also at that AGMM must board filled vacancies be up for election. Also any vacancies that have otherwise arisen must be filled. There is no gap in the bylaws or need to depart from this principle. If a situation where to arise where there is a lack of directors then Mauritius law provides an answer that involves the courts. Following the bylaws does not disrupt the sequencing, the ONLY time sequencing would become an issue is if a person is given a new three year term when filling a vacancy. Basic reading of the bylaws makes it clear that the purpose of the language requiring a preservation of sequencing is to ensure that vacancies are filled to run with the original term. 
> 
> We don't know - because Afrinic have not disclosed - what the court has ordered. What we do know is that the order will impact on the AGMM. We also know that the govcom didn't properly apply it's mind and/or erred in its recommendations and advise. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
> DANIEL NANGHAKA dndannang at gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
> Tue May 17 05:42:36 UTC 2022
> Previous message: [Community-Discuss] Will the AGMM still be held as scheduled, if not can an SGMM or further information and engagement session be held on those dates?
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> Dear Community,
> 
> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
> the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
> made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
> comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
> of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
> DeLong.
> 
> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
> the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
> Board. There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
> a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
> Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
> power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
> 3-year tenure of an elected Director
> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
> current By-Laws 2020. And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
> provisions in the current By-Laws.
> 
> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
> elected Director to the mandated 3-year term. They were no extensions of
> the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
> 2-years in the first place.
> 
> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
> successful AGMM.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Daniel
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue May 17 18:46:59 2022
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 18:46:59 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <AE2D0826-0028-4044-B118-50FD703116FF@delong.com>
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I think ? the real problem distilled ? is that if the board has the power to adjust a term ? outside of any provision in the bylaws that limit that power ? there is nothing codified that stops them extending a seat for 6 years ? or 9 years ? or making it perpetual.

Far fetched? Maybe.  With the current board? Who knows.

And yes ? we are talking about one seat ? but we also mow have a situation where 2 other seats are not on the ballot at all ? So for central African seat ? board appoints ? then nomcom doesn?t find a candidate the next year ? board extends appointment ? and so it comtinues ? it?s a perfect loophole to rig the elections such that the board appoints its own board.  All they have to do is ensure the nomcom doesn?t find any suitable candidates ? and then appoint into Infinium. This is the perfect way to capture the organization.

Ideally if there are no suitable candidates ? the seat should remain vacant until the next election and when the next election happens the term is limited to the remaining time in the sequence ? this may require a bylaw update ? but it makes the most sense ? because it prevents the board from effectively being in entire control of multiple seats and stacking the deck.

I mean as it is ? you have 3 seats that should be on the ballot in my view that aren?t ? that?s a third of the board ? 2 more seats that agreed to align with the 3 ?appointees? ? you have a majority and you have organizational capture.  This cannot be allowed to happen

Andrew


From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Reply to: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 10:00
To: Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com>
Cc: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique

The problem, Paul, is that the bylaws conflict with themselves.

Under the present circumstances it is literally impossible to follow the strict letter of the bylaws because they do, indeed call for three year terms without allowing for the election of partial year terms (unnumbered paragraph after 13.5 and before 13.6). However, they also insist on the maintenance of the sequentiality of terms (13.6). However, they do not (as the gov com has erroneously suggested) allow for simply leaving the seat vacant. Indeed, 13.1 requires the board to call a meeting of members for the purpose of appointing directors where vacancies occur as a result of any of the following:
i. Term expiration
ii. Removal or resignation under Article 14
iii. Disqualification of a director under Article 13.10
iv. Death
v. Filling of a casual vacancy in terms of article 13.14

However, as you point out, they also clearly call for elections and do not allow the board to appoint directors for arbitrary terms.

Finally, we have section 13.14 which allows the board to fill casual vacancies as a result of:

14.1(ii) Resignation
14.1(iii) Removal by 2/3rds vote of other directors
14.1(iv) Ceases to be a director pursuant to section 139 of the companies act

Summarizing section 139 (https://www.mcci.org/media/35749/the-companies-act-2001.pdf<https://www.mcci.org/media/35749/the-companies-act-2001.pdf>) it covers:
(a) Resignation
(b) Removal from office by board act or legal process
(c) Disqualification by law (Section 133, under 18, over 70 (if a public company)
(d) undischarged bankrupt
(e) legally prohibited from being a director
(f) not a natural person
(g) adjudged to be of unsound mind
(h) no longer qualifies under the company?s constitution)

So, as you can see, the Gov Com has chosen to follow all the bylaws except section 13.1. I?ve suggested a way forward that is a minor technical violation of the unnumbered paragraph between sections 13.5 and 13.6 in order to allow full compliance with 13.1 and 13.6. Further, virtually every other organization that has a staggered term structure as described here operates in the manner I have suggested with regard to electing persons to the remainder of terms to preserve the sequence of elections thereafter.

This problem is compounded when the nominating committee goes about eliminating valid candidates and paring the selection down to just one candidate for a seat, thus effectively appointing that candidate rather than having an actual election. Even with just two candidates to choose from for a given office, this is a very limited choice and it allows the nominating committee and the board to stack the deck in the electoral process.

The injunction does not stop the AGMM, it only stops the election of the board.

Owen






On May 17, 2022, at 01:11 , Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com<mailto:hjul.paul at gmail.com>> wrote:

"I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM."
Frankly this is the wrong attitude. The defects with the AGMM are varied and your "explanation" misses the simple point. The bylaws envisage that at each AGMM there is an election. At that election the seats that become vacant through term expiry must be held. Also at that AGMM must board filled vacancies be up for election. Also any vacancies that have otherwise arisen must be filled. There is no gap in the bylaws or need to depart from this principle. If a situation where to arise where there is a lack of directors then Mauritius law provides an answer that involves the courts. Following the bylaws does not disrupt the sequencing, the ONLY time sequencing would become an issue is if a person is given a new three year term when filling a vacancy. Basic reading of the bylaws makes it clear that the purpose of the language requiring a preservation of sequencing is to ensure that vacancies are filled to run with the original term.

We don't know - because Afrinic have not disclosed - what the court has ordered. What we do know is that the order will impact on the AGMM. We also know that the govcom didn't properly apply it's mind and/or erred in its recommendations and advise.

Paul


[Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
DANIEL NANGHAKA dndannang at gmail.com<http://gmail.com/>
Tue May 17 05:42:36 UTC 2022
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Dear Community,

I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
DeLong.

I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
Board. There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
3-year tenure of an elected Director
The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
current By-Laws 2020. And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
provisions in the current By-Laws.

In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
elected Director to the mandated 3-year term. They were no extensions of
the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
2-years in the first place.

I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM.

regards,

Daniel
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From sm+af at afrinic.net  Tue May 17 19:34:28 2022
From: sm+af at afrinic.net (sm+af at afrinic.net)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fact-checking
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20220517112342.0b65b360@elandnews.com>

Dear Pascal,

It is nice to see you participating on the mailing list.  I would 
like to thank you for putting in the time and effort to do that.

The rationale for publishing information over the internet is that it 
makes it easier for people to access the information.  Nowadays, 
there is well-known search engine which anyone can use for 
fact-checking.  I read about an entity claiming that it works with 
AFRINIC.  I doubt that the claim is accurate.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

Board Chair, AFRINIC  




From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed May 18 00:45:33 2022
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 01:45:33 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFi3HFVFzs+cHFi=2CcBVYYy2PmbKZTYGxdZJTOt-nBP9c0u+w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,

*The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
provisions in the current By-Laws.*

What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean
by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the
issue..

If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision for
by-election in the by-laws is not correct.

*10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC
election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this
Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus
resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be
applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election
guidelines.*

AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of Election
issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give members
the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by the bylaw
so that it can become a precedent.

Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon and
resolve.

Sunday.


On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
> the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
> made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
> comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
> of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
> DeLong.
>
> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
> the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
> Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
> a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
> Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have
> the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>
> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of
> the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions
> of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
> 2-years in the first place.
>
> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
> successful AGMM.
>
> regards,
>
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From rfg at tristatelogic.com  Wed May 18 10:32:45 2022
From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 03:32:45 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <39D45032-ACDE-4846-A2BC-7C93CECA83CC@liquidtelecom.com>
Message-ID: <56526.1652869965@segfault.tristatelogic.com>

In message <39D45032-ACDE-4846-A2BC-7C93CECA83CC at liquidtelecom.com>, 
Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

>I mean as it is you have 3 seats that should be on the ballot in my view that
>aren't - that's a third of the board - 2 more seats that agreed to align with
>the 3 "appointees" - you have a majority and you have organizational capture. 
>This cannot be allowed to happen

Point of clarification, Andrew, if you please:

Are you suggesting that IF some party or parties were somehow able to take
control of five (or more) board seats that said party or parties might,
in theory, take some decisions or actions that might be contrary to the
best interests of the membership as a whole?

And if so, who would possibly ever want to do such a nefarious thing?


Regards,
rfg



From dmurungi at wia.co.tz  Wed May 18 10:43:41 2022
From: dmurungi at wia.co.tz (Murungi Daniel)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:43:41 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
 Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <322142097.4910.1652781560613.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
 <80B9C6B1-3EA9-48D4-AAF1-A92F17466CA2@lasentinelle.mu>
 <322142097.4910.1652781560613.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
Message-ID: <B2BD7A01-D147-43A6-B7A7-40CA60A7470A@wia.co.tz>

Good afternoon,

Unless AFRINIC communicated that NRS is an AFRINIC rep, IMHO, this is a clear case of impersonation and fraud.

It would be great if the AFRINIC leadership and legal team informed us what they plan on doing about this.


Regards,
Daniel

> On May 17, 2022, at 12:59 PM, Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ish, 
> 
> No, but NRS representative said that he represents AFRINIC and he works with AFRINIC.
> 
> That we can pay at their premises once it's in place.
> 
> Members should be informed of the situation. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 	Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA (Mr)
> Webmaster i RENALA
> Research and Education Network for Academic and Learning Activities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ <http://www.irenala.edu.mg/>
> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche Scientifique - Fiadanana
> Cell ::+261 (0) 32 46 680 29  // +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
> 
> De: "ish sookun" <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> ?: "Pascal ANDRIANISA" <pascal at irenala.edu.mg>
> Cc: "community-discuss" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Envoy?: Mardi 17 Mai 2022 12:24:29
> Objet: Re: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number Resource Society)
> 
> Hi Pascal,
> 
> On 17 May 2022, at 12:55, Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
> 
> In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC.
> I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case.
> Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training.
> Needless to say, IP addresses are free.
> 
> And NRS left us his card.
> 
> Thank you for sharing this information.
> 
> Did the NRS staff/agent explained the process of ?selling? IP addresses?
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> ???
> 
> Ish Sookun
> 
> Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
> 
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From sammy.uzoechi at gmail.com  Wed May 18 11:36:22 2022
From: sammy.uzoechi at gmail.com (Samuel Uzoechi)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 12:36:22 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
	Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
Message-ID: <CAMugO9LH_PVsGS7mmS0E0cWawve6WBE7ysNF2XdL7nrY41yu1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

The following should have been sent by Paul, to whom Paschal addressed in
his email. But since his email couldn?t be posted to the list despite
various attempts, I am hereby sending it on his behalf.

I believe Mr Pascal has a misunderstanding on this matter. To clear all
misunderstandings and misconceptions, I am more than happy to clarify in
detail to Mr Pascal, who we are, what we do and our core values and
principles.

NRS is an independent non-profit organization with its own members and it
has no connection with any RIR.

NRS was established as a global non-profit membership organization
advocating for a global unlimited, stable, and united Internet. At NRS, we
recognize the Internet as a universal resource that relies on a global free
market and enterprise with excellent transparency and accountability. Our
main goal is to protect Internet stability and availability, which is
essential for not just businesses who want to operate but for all
end-users. To accomplish this goal, we strive to hold the regional internet
registries (RIR) systems accountable, and make sure they function as they
were created to.

Furthermore, I am eager to also explain it to any of you who may be
interested in NRS privately whilst not taking the liberty to make use of
this public community list.

I appreciate your attention and time.

If you want to know more about NRS or join us to protect the internet,
please visit nrs.help.

Thank you,
Paul.

**
My own input: it is evident that all NRS materials mention the corruption
and problems that exist within AFRINIC. It is totally nonsensical for
anyone to claim to be associated with an organization he just stated as
corrupted and in desperate need to be fixed.
So logically, either the communication goes very wrong, or this message is
manipulated by someone to mislead the community from the real issue.
I am also astonished by the fact that AFRINIC?s board member replied to
this message of one time visit of NRS? RM but not to various court orders
which forbid AFRINIC to continue unlawful practice (?unlawful? as deemed by
the court, not me). This speaks a lot.

Cheers,
Samuel Uzoechi
Relationship manager
Number Resource Society (NRS)


On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 10:00 AM Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg>
wrote:

> Dear all,
> For your information,
> In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC.
> I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case.
> Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training.
> Needless to say, IP addresses are free.
>
> And NRS left us his card.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -----------------
>
> Pour votre information,
>
> Dans notre NREN ? Madagascar,nous avons eu la visite de NRS (Number Resource Society) qui nous a dit qu'ils travaillaient avec AFRINIC.
> Je pense qu'AFRINIC aura inform? ces membres si tel ?tait le cas.
> Il envisage ?galement de vendre des adresses IP et d'y installer un bureau et Le NRS, nous propose des formations gratuite norme ISO.
> Inutile de dire que les adresses IP sont gratuites.
>
> Et NRS nous a laiss? sa carte.
>
> Cordialement,
>
> *Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA (Mr)*
> Webmaster i RENALA
> *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and *L*earning *A*ctivities
> - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche
> Scientifique - Fiadanana
> *Cell* ::+261 (0) 32 46 680 29  // +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
> _______________________________________________
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> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
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From abscoco at gmail.com  Wed May 18 13:15:03 2022
From: abscoco at gmail.com (Sylvain Baya)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:15:03 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss]  Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <56526.1652869965@segfault.tristatelogic.com>
References: <39D45032-ACDE-4846-A2BC-7C93CECA83CC@liquidtelecom.com>
 <56526.1652869965@segfault.tristatelogic.com>
Message-ID: <CAJjTEvGX5mEfxu69JTmnS0HMBQsp0Lk+zRmVmKO8X2o-J2DWrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Hope this email finds you in good health!
Please see my comment below, inline...

Le mercredi 18 mai 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> a
?crit :

> In message <39D45032-ACDE-4846-A2BC-7C93CECA83CC at liquidtelecom.com>,
> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >I mean as it is you have 3 seats that should be on the ballot in my view
> that
> >aren't - that's a third of the board - 2 more seats that agreed to align
> with
> >the 3 "appointees" - you have a majority and you have organizational
> capture.
> >This cannot be allowed to happen
>
> Point of clarification, Andrew, if you please:
>
> Are you suggesting that IF some party or parties were somehow able to take
> control of five (or more) board seats that said party or parties might,
> in theory, take some decisions or actions that might be contrary to the
> best interests of the membership as a whole?
>
> And if so, who would possibly ever want to do such a nefarious thing?
>
>
Interesting question, brother!
Thanks Ronald.

Shalom,
--sb.



>
> Regards,
> rfg
>
> [...]



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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Wed May 18 14:11:56 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:11:56 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
 Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <CAMugO9LH_PVsGS7mmS0E0cWawve6WBE7ysNF2XdL7nrY41yu1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
 <CAMugO9LH_PVsGS7mmS0E0cWawve6WBE7ysNF2XdL7nrY41yu1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECFEB38F-1321-4881-8F6A-F7C7650095BD@lasentinelle.mu>

Hi Paul & Samuel,

> On 18 May 2022, at 15:36, Samuel Uzoechi <sammy.uzoechi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> To accomplish this goal, we strive to hold the regional internet registries (RIR) systems accountable, and make sure they function as they were created to.

How do you hold the regional internet registries (RIR) systems accountable?

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed May 18 16:09:52 2022
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:09:52 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
	Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <ECFEB38F-1321-4881-8F6A-F7C7650095BD@lasentinelle.mu>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
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Message-ID: <CAFi3HFUtuJd-ThDj7JVw57NDYSmjGjnni7WuCSzAydwQ7_QzkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 3:14 PM Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
wrote:

> Hi Paul & Samuel,
>
> On 18 May 2022, at 15:36, Samuel Uzoechi <sammy.uzoechi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To accomplish this goal, we strive to hold the regional internet
> registries (RIR) systems accountable, and make sure they function as they
> were created to.
>
>
> How do you hold the regional internet registries (RIR) systems accountable?
>
>
+1.

Sunday.

>
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From leoso at afcast.com  Wed May 18 17:36:42 2022
From: leoso at afcast.com (Leo S)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 10:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
	Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
Message-ID: <CAOdd_iEwFXXC1-bJH8JgfJxGODw54vTBZHpE6JEh9_WGCQFOHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll say The Number Resource Society (NRS) was founded to protect Larus

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 1:59 AM Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg>
wrote:

> Dear all,
> For your information,
> In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) who told us that they work with AFRINIC.
> I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case.
> Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there and NRS offers us free ISO standard training.
> Needless to say, IP addresses are free.
>
> And NRS left us his card.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -----------------
>
> Pour votre information,
>
> Dans notre NREN ? Madagascar,nous avons eu la visite de NRS (Number Resource Society) qui nous a dit qu'ils travaillaient avec AFRINIC.
> Je pense qu'AFRINIC aura inform? ces membres si tel ?tait le cas.
> Il envisage ?galement de vendre des adresses IP et d'y installer un bureau et Le NRS, nous propose des formations gratuite norme ISO.
> Inutile de dire que les adresses IP sont gratuites.
>
> Et NRS nous a laiss? sa carte.
>
> Cordialement,
>
> *Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA (Mr)*
> Webmaster i RENALA
> *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and *L*earning *A*ctivities
> - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche
> Scientifique - Fiadanana
> *Cell* ::+261 (0) 32 46 680 29  // +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
> _______________________________________________
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From hjul.paul at gmail.com  Thu May 19 16:20:35 2022
From: hjul.paul at gmail.com (Paul Hjul)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 18:20:35 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
Message-ID: <CAF4kYptP1PbeEQxtHLB-5bgKSUMgNycvrXTjKjRTwfNkxVjb5g@mail.gmail.com>

Are you suggesting that IF some party or parties were somehow able to take

control of five (or more) board seats that said party or parties might,

in theory, take some decisions or actions that might be contrary to the

best interests of the membership as a whole?



You wouldn't need 5 board seats if the members and other directors are
complacent. You would be able to achieve general control with as few
as 3 directors provided one is the CEO or chair. Having control of the
nom com or gov com would also come in handy. This is because of board
quorum and the fact that vacancies can sit idle until you manage to
bring in your "own man". In fact with the approach taken by the gov
com and board at present - and presumably the cause of the injunction
(which details have not yet been disclosed) simply having command over
the nom com is the necessary step to get to control.

It is also not really an "in theory" hypothesis that if the board were
to be under the control as envisaged that the interests of the members
would be harmed and that the board would act against member interests.
The only component of the hypothesis is whether critical control of
the board is achieved.

It is also the case that the threat of shenanigans can paralyze things
so having control over three directors would be devastating as would a
reasonable apprehension - for which a sound foundation has been laid
against the nom com this year - of suitable candidates being
intentionally excluded/


"Who would possibly do such a nefarious thing"

There are quite a few line ups:

1) an organization or individual who has a lot of skin in the game and
whose assets are in jeopardy due to Afrinic shenanigans, as a
defensive measure having concluded that Afrinic will not course
correct or behave lawfully

2) persons who have affiliations with the dismissed former employee of
the company who was engaged in nefarious activity and have an interest
in obfuscation and the like

3) individuals who "consult" with cable operators and other businesses
that require IP resources and who've managed to build themselves quite
a nifty gatekeeper business

(there is actually a big overlap between 2 and 3, and when properly
considered it is probable that any contender to be of type 1 was
willing and able to keep up with demands of persons in 3 that a
continued racket could be had)

4) individuals (even if initially entering the industry well
intentioned) who have built themselves little fiefdoms as the CEO or
like of an organization in the Africa Internet space who have found
themselves on the wrong side of events and are removed for
malfeasance. An old boys club of people who've been in the mix for
several years is an organizational risk in these sorts of situations.
While the existence of a nom com should strengthen the board the
practice risk is that a circuit exists making the insiders choose the
next insiders. This is especially a problem where a nom com process
sees same body choosing to only put forward the designated insider

5) individuals and organizations who are opposed to Afrinic being a
member driven organization who have one of many political agendas - I
am pretty sure that when Afrinic was considering serving as a beacon
against political interference in access to the public Internet we saw
an increase in a desire to grab control of the organization or at the
very least to gut it of its ability to function.


but here really is the crux of the problem, a gander through the
mailing list will reveal that there have historically been concerns
when an organization is the employer of board members and there are
candidates to take up additional seats which could lead to one company
being seen to have to strong an ability to influence. IIRC this
resulted in a good candidate for the board stepping aside in the
interests of the organization that arise from avoiding a perception of
overconcentration. Despite the fact that there is nothing precluding
many South Africans on the board (especially if permanently resident
elsewhere) it wouldn't feel proper if the organization was felt to be
under the control of South Africans. There is a similar irrational
(and probably illegal) set of restrictions on Mauritius candidates (it
is partly irrational because the CEO is by virtue of employment a
resident of Mauritius). So many of the possible non nafarious reasons
and ways a tipping point of control in related party hands are simply
avoided because of a sense of ethics, duty and belief in the members
best interests. On the other hand nafarious and idiotic reasons
continue to abound.


Assuming any combination of the 5 identified groups are at any given
time being nefarious the likelihood of one stopping the other from
succeeding is one of those areas where systemic strength comes into
play. Of course if interests align amongst some groups then they'd be
quite ready to make a play and undermine the interests of the members.


Ultimately though if less than 200 members participate in the affairs
of the organization and the majority of those have adopted a
pessemistic view of Afrinic then the shenanigans risk increases.


In message <39D45032-ACDE-4846-A2BC-7C93CECA83CC at liquidtelecom.com
<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>>,
Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>> wrote:

>*I mean as it is you have 3 seats that should be on the ballot in my view that
*>*aren't - that's a third of the board - 2 more seats that agreed to align with
*>*the 3 "appointees" - you have a majority and you have
organizational capture.
*>*This cannot be allowed to happen
*
Point of clarification, Andrew, if you please:

Are you suggesting that IF some party or parties were somehow able to take
control of five (or more) board seats that said party or parties might,
in theory, take some decisions or actions that might be contrary to the
best interests of the membership as a whole?

And if so, who would possibly ever want to do such a nefarious thing?


Regards,
rfg
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From owen at delong.com  Fri May 20 06:49:04 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 23:49:04 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFVFzs+cHFi=2CcBVYYy2PmbKZTYGxdZJTOt-nBP9c0u+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7DF98A85-D3F3-4816-81CF-3D7FACE8D8C7@delong.com>

In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the membership at that time.

Owen


> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
> 
> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.
> 
> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the issue..
> 
> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
> 
> 10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election guidelines.
> 
> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by the bylaw so that it can become a precedent. 
> 
> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon and resolve.
> 
> Sunday.
>  
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com <mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear Community,
> 
> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
> 
> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.
> 
> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to 2-years in the first place.
> 
> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a successful AGMM.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Daniel
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From owen at delong.com  Fri May 20 07:11:46 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 00:11:46 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
 Resource Society)
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References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
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> On May 18, 2022, at 07:11 , Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul & Samuel,
> 
>> On 18 May 2022, at 15:36, Samuel Uzoechi <sammy.uzoechi at gmail.com <mailto:sammy.uzoechi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> To accomplish this goal, we strive to hold the regional internet registries (RIR) systems accountable, and make sure they function as they were created to. 
> 
> How do you hold the regional internet registries (RIR) systems accountable?

I have no affiliation or business with NRS whatsoever, but I will say that we do need to hold RIRs accountable when they are not properly serving the community.

AFRINIC is the first RIR to have this problem at least at this scale.

Currently, the only ways to hold them accountable is to replace the board members that are acting against their mandate through the election process and through litigation against their invalid acts.

That is one of the reasons an injunction was sought (and obtained) against their attempt at an improper election.

Owen

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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Fri May 20 07:51:09 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 11:51:09 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
 Resource Society)
In-Reply-To: <A50C8245-BA20-4DED-83B5-6521037B1E20@delong.com>
References: <1876875408.3809.1652777759188.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg>
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Hi Owen,

> On 20 May 2022, at 11:11, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> 
> I have no affiliation or business with NRS whatsoever, but I will say that we do need to hold RIRs accountable when they are not properly serving the community.

My question is not how do we hold the RIRs accountable. My question is how does the Number Resource Society hold the RIRs accountable?

> Currently, the only ways to hold them accountable is to replace the board members that are acting against their mandate through the election process and through litigation against their invalid acts.
> 
> That is one of the reasons an injunction was sought (and obtained) against their attempt at an improper election.

The action of one resource member does not represent the wish of the community or resource members.

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
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From owen at delong.com  Fri May 20 08:08:50 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 01:08:50 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number
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> On May 20, 2022, at 00:51 , Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Owen,
> 
>> On 20 May 2022, at 11:11, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no affiliation or business with NRS whatsoever, but I will say that we do need to hold RIRs accountable when they are not properly serving the community.
> 
> My question is not how do we hold the RIRs accountable. My question is how does the Number Resource Society hold the RIRs accountable?

I will leave answering that question to them. Since I have no affiliation, I cannot usefully comment on what they will or will not do.

>> Currently, the only ways to hold them accountable is to replace the board members that are acting against their mandate through the election process and through litigation against their invalid acts.
>> 
>> That is one of the reasons an injunction was sought (and obtained) against their attempt at an improper election.
> 
> The action of one resource member does not represent the wish of the community or resource members.

The rules adopted by the community and the members in the form of the CPM and Bylaws should be able to be taken as a reasonable representation of the wish of the community and/or resource members. The injunction seeks to address a violation of those very rules by the board.

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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Fri May 20 08:45:13 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:45:13 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection
	Candidates Matrix
In-Reply-To: <6b77ac9d-4429-9c35-423d-fb68b4847de7@afrinic.net>
References: <57124183-65bb-4984-de0e-8a01c5135e69@afrinic.net>
 <6b77ac9d-4429-9c35-423d-fb68b4847de7@afrinic.net>
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Dear all,

I had a look at the profiles of the four nominees.

I also searched the AFRINIC RPD mailing list archive to see if the nominees have contributed to policy discussions.

Darwin Da Costa
6 emails between 2019 - 2021

Benjamin Mutemi Mutua
Zero contribution

Chuene Alfred Semono
Zero contribution

Prof. Nasir Faruk
15 emails between 2019 - 2021

Do read these emails if you want to evaluate the candidates further.

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd


> On 19 May 2022, at 18:02, AFRINIC Policy Liaison <policy-liaison at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear PDWG,
> 
> We reached out to the nominators/seconders of the 4 nominees and have summarised the outcome in the table below.
> 
> 
> We now request the PDWG to move forward to shortlist and select their candidate for the PDWG Co-chair. The CVs of the candidates will be published on the AFRINIC website shortly.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Policy Liaison Team
> 
> 
> ________
> 
> Cher PDWG
> 
> Nous avons contact? les personnes qui ont propos?  les candidats ainsi leurs seconds, et ceux pour les 4 candidats et avons r?sum? les r?ponses dans le tableau ci-dessous.
> 
> 
> 
> Nous demandons maintenant au PDWG de proc?der ? la pr?s?lection et ensuite de s?lectionner le prochain copr?sidence du PDWG. Les CV des candidats seront publi?s prochainement sur le site de l'AFRINIC.
> 
> Cordialement,
> Policy Liaison Team
> 
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Fri May 20 08:58:48 2022
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 09:58:48 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <7DF98A85-D3F3-4816-81CF-3D7FACE8D8C7@delong.com>
References: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFi3HFVFzs+cHFi=2CcBVYYy2PmbKZTYGxdZJTOt-nBP9c0u+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes. This is correct.

A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.

There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough safeguards
for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.

Sunday.

On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years
> ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the
> membership at that time.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>
> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>
> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean
> by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the
> issue..
>
> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision for
> by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>
> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC
> election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this
> Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus
> resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be
> applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election
> guidelines.*
>
> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of Election
> issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give members
> the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by the bylaw
> so that it can become a precedent.
>
> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon and
> resolve.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
>> the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
>> made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
>> comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
>> of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
>> DeLong.
>>
>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
>> the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
>> Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
>> a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
>> Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have
>> the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
>> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>
>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of
>> the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions
>> of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
>> 2-years in the first place.
>>
>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
>> successful AGMM.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
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From owen at delong.com  Fri May 20 09:24:42 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 02:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFXT90YaWKXFt=AQ3y=9hqFxPeJmXZHNcrSJvp14s8G-5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFi3HFVFzs+cHFi=2CcBVYYy2PmbKZTYGxdZJTOt-nBP9c0u+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <7DF98A85-D3F3-4816-81CF-3D7FACE8D8C7@delong.com>
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Message-ID: <B1F6DCAD-8B42-4E0A-A233-1D4D8C245D04@delong.com>

Agreed? The board seems dead set on appointing board members and avoiding the candidacy of people who might oppose them.

That is pretty much the definition of bad faith in this context.

Owen


> On May 20, 2022, at 01:58 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes. This is correct. 
> 
> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
> 
> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough safeguards for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
> 
> Sunday.
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the membership at that time.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>> 
>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.
>> 
>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the issue..
>> 
>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>> 
>> 10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election guidelines.
>> 
>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by the bylaw so that it can become a precedent. 
>> 
>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon and resolve.
>> 
>> Sunday.
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com <mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear Community,
>> 
>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>> 
>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.
>> 
>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to 2-years in the first place.
>> 
>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a successful AGMM.
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Fri May 20 09:53:35 2022
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 11:53:35 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection
	Candidates Matrix
In-Reply-To: <A139F66A-DD26-4757-A8A7-D40734EE7A9F@lasentinelle.mu>
References: <57124183-65bb-4984-de0e-8a01c5135e69@afrinic.net>
 <6b77ac9d-4429-9c35-423d-fb68b4847de7@afrinic.net>
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Message-ID: <320B1EA5-FDED-4406-A40E-41C16682D755@consulintel.es>

Hi Ish,

 

While the number of emails is significative, I was not looking into just counting them. Also, you will need to point how many each year, if they are related to specific proposals, and so many variables, that, as you very well said ?Do read these emails ??.

 

Also, to be fair, we will need to look into participation in the PPMs, which is not so easy as just reading the emails in the RPD archive, as you will need to find and look at the videos of 3?4-year meetings. It may happen also (same as for emails) that the participation was many years ago, and recently the candidates have participated less, so they are not necessarily up-to-date with the PDWG situation.

 

Thinks that we should also know, is if they have participated in the Board, Appeal Committee, or other similar bodies (not just in this RIR).

 

I think when you?re a candidate, you really should invest some time in develop a specific set of information for the position you are aiming for (in support for your candidacy).

 

What I think we should be looking for, in summary, is *experience* in the PDP and related activites. For example, ?what you do on your daily job that is related to Number Resources??.

 

Last bit, I don?t think having been or not a co-author of proposals is that much important, and in fact, I believe none of the candidates have been (or again, they didn?t mention it, unless I missed it).

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 20/5/22, 10:53, "Ish Sookun" <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu> escribi?:

 

Dear all,

 

I had a look at the profiles of the four nominees.

 

I also searched the AFRINIC RPD mailing list archive to see if the nominees have contributed to policy discussions.

 

Darwin Da Costa

6 emails between 2019 - 2021

 

Benjamin Mutemi Mutua

Zero contribution

 

Chuene Alfred Semono

Zero contribution

 

Prof. Nasir Faruk

15 emails between 2019 - 2021

 

Do read these emails if you want to evaluate the candidates further.

 

Regards,


???

 

Ish Sookun

 

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd

 



On 19 May 2022, at 18:02, AFRINIC Policy Liaison <policy-liaison at afrinic.net> wrote:

 

Dear PDWG,

 

We reached out to the nominators/seconders of the 4 nominees and have summarised the outcome in the table below.

 

We now request the PDWG to move forward to shortlist and select their candidate for the PDWG Co-chair. The CVs of the candidates will be published on the AFRINIC website shortly. 

 

Kind Regards

Policy Liaison Team 

 

________

Cher PDWG

 

Nous avons contact? les personnes qui ont propos?  les candidats ainsi leurs seconds, et ceux pour les 4 candidats et avons r?sum? les r?ponses dans le tableau ci-dessous.

 

 

Nous demandons maintenant au PDWG de proc?der ? la pr?s?lection et ensuite de s?lectionner le prochain copr?sidence du PDWG. Les CV des candidats seront publi?s prochainement sur le site de l'AFRINIC.

 

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From dndannang at gmail.com  Fri May 20 10:20:14 2022
From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 13:20:14 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFXT90YaWKXFt=AQ3y=9hqFxPeJmXZHNcrSJvp14s8G-5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4W+iOW4bqB8Zv4yT-RLkXTK4fa9P4Z0wyVhddwkH+yp+zBwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFi3HFVFzs+cHFi=2CcBVYYy2PmbKZTYGxdZJTOt-nBP9c0u+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <7DF98A85-D3F3-4816-81CF-3D7FACE8D8C7@delong.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD4W+iOTjAhgaVi5DEsyU8Nn7Yk3FL6FwjfJisLoTx=kHp3j_w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sunday,

Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you are
against the same Bylaws.

Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.

AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the
stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our
founding fathers.

We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.

Daniel K.Nanghaka




On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes. This is correct.
>
> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
> what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>
> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough safeguards
> for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years
>> ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the
>> membership at that time.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>
>> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>>
>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean
>> by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the
>> issue..
>>
>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision
>> for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>
>> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC
>> election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this
>> Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus
>> resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be
>> applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election
>> guidelines.*
>>
>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of
>> Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give
>> members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by
>> the bylaw so that it can become a precedent.
>>
>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon
>> and resolve.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made
>>> after the Governance Committee published its communique on the
>>> recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the
>>> suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them
>>> further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by
>>> Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>>>
>>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
>>> the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
>>> Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
>>> a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
>>> Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have
>>> the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
>>> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>
>>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of
>>> the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions
>>> of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
>>> 2-years in the first place.
>>>
>>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
>>> successful AGMM.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Fri May 20 10:26:29 2022
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 11:26:29 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
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Dear Daniel,

I am sorry, you seem to have an interpretation problem with my post.

I have shown that there is nothing broken in the bylaw, that does not have
a mechanism for fixing.

Kindly show how I am against the bylaws.

Sunday.

On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:20 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Sunday,
>
> Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you are
> against the same Bylaws.
>
> Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.
>
> AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the
> stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our
> founding fathers.
>
> We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.
>
> Daniel K.Nanghaka
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes. This is correct.
>>
>> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
>> what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>>
>> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough safeguards
>> for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years
>>> ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the
>>> membership at that time.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>>
>>> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>>>
>>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean
>>> by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the
>>> issue..
>>>
>>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision
>>> for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>>
>>> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC
>>> election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this
>>> Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus
>>> resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be
>>> applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election
>>> guidelines.*
>>>
>>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of
>>> Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give
>>> members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by
>>> the bylaw so that it can become a precedent.
>>>
>>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon
>>> and resolve.
>>>
>>> Sunday.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>
>>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made
>>>> after the Governance Committee published its communique on the
>>>> recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the
>>>> suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them
>>>> further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by
>>>> Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>>>>
>>>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions
>>>> within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to
>>>> the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would
>>>> enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>>>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>>>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit
>>>> of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>>>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have
>>>> the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
>>>> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>>
>>>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of
>>>> the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions
>>>> of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
>>>> 2-years in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
>>>> successful AGMM.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>
>>>
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Fri May 20 10:45:14 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:45:14 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection
	Candidates Matrix
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Hi Jordi,

> On 20 May 2022, at 13:53, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
> 
> While the number of emails is significative, I was not looking into just counting them. Also, you will need to point how many each year, if they are related to specific proposals, and so many variables, that, as you very well said ?Do read these emails ??.

Yes, indeed. That is why I mentioned reading the emails. One should be able to draw his/her own conclusion.

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
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From owen at delong.com  Fri May 20 15:33:24 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:24 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
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Indeed, it seems the current board and management which are at odds with the bylaws. 

Sunday and I are calling for them to actually follow the rules as written. 

If you feel that you need different policies for afrinic to function properly, Daniel, there are mechanisms for changing them. Having the board ignore them and make up new rules as they go is not one of them. 

Owen


> On May 20, 2022, at 03:26, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear Daniel,
> 
> I am sorry, you seem to have an interpretation problem with my post.
> 
> I have shown that there is nothing broken in the bylaw, that does not have a mechanism for fixing.
> 
> Kindly show how I am against the bylaws.
> 
> Sunday.
> 
>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:20 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sunday, 
>> 
>> Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you are against the same Bylaws. 
>> 
>> Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.
>> 
>> AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our founding fathers. 
>> 
>> We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.
>> 
>> Daniel K.Nanghaka
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes. This is correct. 
>>> 
>>> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>>> 
>>> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough safeguards for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>>> 
>>> Sunday.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the membership at that time.
>>>> 
>>>> Owen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the issue..
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election guidelines.
>>>>> 
>>>>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by the bylaw so that it can become a precedent. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon and resolve.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sunday.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>>>>>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>>>>>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>>>>>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>>>>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism. Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to 2-years in the first place.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a successful AGMM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>> 
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Sun May 22 17:17:22 2022
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 18:17:22 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
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Dear Mr Nanghaka and GovCom,

A gentle reminder.

I know you are busy, but do find the time to review my comments, and
compare against the bylaw.

Good evening.

Sunday.

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 11:26 AM Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Daniel,
>
> I am sorry, you seem to have an interpretation problem with my post.
>
> I have shown that there is nothing broken in the bylaw, that does not have
> a mechanism for fixing.
>
> Kindly show how I am against the bylaws.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:20 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you
>> are against the same Bylaws.
>>
>> Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.
>>
>> AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the
>> stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our
>> founding fathers.
>>
>> We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.
>>
>> Daniel K.Nanghaka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. This is correct.
>>>
>>> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
>>> what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>>>
>>> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough
>>> safeguards for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>>>
>>> Sunday.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two
>>>> years ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of
>>>> the membership at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>>>
>>>> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>>>>
>>>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean
>>>> by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the
>>>> issue..
>>>>
>>>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision
>>>> for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>>>
>>>> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC
>>>> election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this
>>>> Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus
>>>> resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be
>>>> applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election
>>>> guidelines.*
>>>>
>>>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of
>>>> Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give
>>>> members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by
>>>> the bylaw so that it can become a precedent.
>>>>
>>>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon
>>>> and resolve.
>>>>
>>>> Sunday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made
>>>>> after the Governance Committee published its communique on the
>>>>> recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the
>>>>> suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them
>>>>> further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by
>>>>> Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions
>>>>> within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to
>>>>> the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would
>>>>> enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>>>>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>>>>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit
>>>>> of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>>>>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM
>>>>> have the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
>>>>> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>>>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure
>>>>> of the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no
>>>>> extensions of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce
>>>>> the tenure to 2-years in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
>>>>> successful AGMM.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From dndannang at gmail.com  Sun May 22 17:19:05 2022
From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 20:19:05 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique
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Noted with thanks.

On Sun, May 22, 2022, 8:17 PM Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mr Nanghaka and GovCom,
>
> A gentle reminder.
>
> I know you are busy, but do find the time to review my comments, and
> compare against the bylaw.
>
> Good evening.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 11:26 AM Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Daniel,
>>
>> I am sorry, you seem to have an interpretation problem with my post.
>>
>> I have shown that there is nothing broken in the bylaw, that does not
>> have a mechanism for fixing.
>>
>> Kindly show how I am against the bylaws.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:20 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sunday,
>>>
>>> Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you
>>> are against the same Bylaws.
>>>
>>> Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.
>>>
>>> AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the
>>> stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our
>>> founding fathers.
>>>
>>> We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.
>>>
>>> Daniel K.Nanghaka
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. This is correct.
>>>>
>>>> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
>>>> what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>>>>
>>>> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough
>>>> safeguards for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>>>>
>>>> Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two
>>>>> years ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of
>>>>> the membership at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>>>>
>>>>> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>>>>>
>>>>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you
>>>>> mean by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to
>>>>> obfuscate the issue..
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision
>>>>> for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an
>>>>> AFRINIC election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for
>>>>> in this Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by
>>>>> consensus resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC
>>>>> elections be applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the
>>>>> election guidelines.*
>>>>>
>>>>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of
>>>>> Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give
>>>>> members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by
>>>>> the bylaw so that it can become a precedent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon
>>>>> and resolve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made
>>>>>> after the Governance Committee published its communique on the
>>>>>> recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the
>>>>>> suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them
>>>>>> further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by
>>>>>> Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions
>>>>>> within the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to
>>>>>> the Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would
>>>>>> enable a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>>>>>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>>>>>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit
>>>>>> of Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>>>>>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM
>>>>>> have the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
>>>>>> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>>>>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>>>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>>>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>>>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>>>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure
>>>>>> of the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no
>>>>>> extensions of the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce
>>>>>> the tenure to 2-years in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
>>>>>> successful AGMM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From admin at megamore.ng  Sun May 29 15:50:14 2022
From: admin at megamore.ng (CTO admin)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 19:50:14 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
Message-ID: <CANOqSOTb6PX6HTsG05kX5gGNmsBqYdW9QchKt0xiS7Bn5K9rmw@mail.gmail.com>

*Dear Members,*


*(If you want to know the end, look at the beginning)*



I observed the communication lists for a long time, nothing circulated or
sent by a few is a Bugaboo nor expresses the feeling of the majority who
are not anticipating such communication.



Any decent person of morality and integrity would Pooh-Pooh most of the
distorted statements aroused from the same repugnant source.



The insalubrious attempts were to obfuscate the shady actions being done on
different levels.



The current status is obvious, it is no longer a conundrum for who was
misled, and we are at alacrity to stand firm.



Many actions taken against AfriNIC are based upon the megalomania of a
single entity, mendacious single-sided statement, braggadocio persons
embezzling resources, and disregard mores of Africa.



*(**Discord between the powerful is a fortune for the poor**)*


As the date of the Board election is approaching, a few members of AfriNIC,
who are well known by track and history of coalition with the others, are
helplessly and hopelessly arguing and flooding member lists with razzmatazz
emails, maybe to justify every penny they receive.


*(**A stream can never rise above its source**)*



A single member cannot abnegate the course and direction, policy and
procedures, then decide on his own, the fate of all members, and the
continent at large. Such perfidy acts are repugnant by the majority.



Audacious acts cannot stand ratiocination conclusion.



I fully understand your noise, frustration, and misinformation to the
public, citing what you deem fit to you, but at the end, Only a fool tests
the depth of a river with two feet.


*(**The best way to eat an elephant in your path is to cut him up into
little pieces**)*


The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional right
and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and uninfluenced by
anything, not to mention any illegal activities such as malicious offers of
money.



But, someone and his agents have been:

- bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about the
future of AfriNIC.

- contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$, and
promising other future investments, in return, you must provide the right
to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.

 - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my view, on
this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the organization.



Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?



This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.



Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as members, to
our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is only those
without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of dollars for their
rights.


*(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots**)*


Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as the
legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can actually
sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN AMOUNT as
disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,


Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring members to
attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the bosses? message so
that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC and discredit it,
its management, and its reputation.


*(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*


If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should stand
against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such voices as
we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.



I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is at
its apotheosis.



VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.
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From admin at megamore.ng  Sun May 29 16:10:49 2022
From: admin at megamore.ng (CTO admin)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 20:10:49 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
In-Reply-To: <CANOqSOTb6PX6HTsG05kX5gGNmsBqYdW9QchKt0xiS7Bn5K9rmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANOqSOTb6PX6HTsG05kX5gGNmsBqYdW9QchKt0xiS7Bn5K9rmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANOqSORSRqy8zFmNqiyycQ5wBfjN3uZ8BxW0H3RJd=xARujh3w@mail.gmail.com>

A video statement

https://youtu.be/32xCurWfJo4



On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 7:50 PM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:

> *Dear Members,*
>
>
> *(If you want to know the end, look at the beginning)*
>
>
>
> I observed the communication lists for a long time, nothing circulated or
> sent by a few is a Bugaboo nor expresses the feeling of the majority who
> are not anticipating such communication.
>
>
>
> Any decent person of morality and integrity would Pooh-Pooh most of the
> distorted statements aroused from the same repugnant source.
>
>
>
> The insalubrious attempts were to obfuscate the shady actions being done
> on different levels.
>
>
>
> The current status is obvious, it is no longer a conundrum for who was
> misled, and we are at alacrity to stand firm.
>
>
>
> Many actions taken against AfriNIC are based upon the megalomania of a
> single entity, mendacious single-sided statement, braggadocio persons
> embezzling resources, and disregard mores of Africa.
>
>
>
> *(**Discord between the powerful is a fortune for the poor**)*
>
>
> As the date of the Board election is approaching, a few members of
> AfriNIC, who are well known by track and history of coalition with the
> others, are helplessly and hopelessly arguing and flooding member lists with
> razzmatazz emails, maybe to justify every penny they receive.
>
>
> *(**A stream can never rise above its source**)*
>
>
>
> A single member cannot abnegate the course and direction, policy and
> procedures, then decide on his own, the fate of all members, and the
> continent at large. Such perfidy acts are repugnant by the majority.
>
>
>
> Audacious acts cannot stand ratiocination conclusion.
>
>
>
> I fully understand your noise, frustration, and misinformation to the
> public, citing what you deem fit to you, but at the end, Only a fool tests
> the depth of a river with two feet.
>
>
> *(**The best way to eat an elephant in your path is to cut him up into
> little pieces**)*
>
>
> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional
> right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and
> uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such as
> malicious offers of money.
>
>
>
> But, someone and his agents have been:
>
> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about
> the future of AfriNIC.
>
> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$,
> and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide the right
> to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
>
>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my view,
> on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the organization.
>
>
>
> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
> legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
> real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?
>
>
>
> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
> good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.
>
>
>
> Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as members, to
> our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is only those
> without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of dollars for their
> rights.
>
>
> *(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots**)*
>
>
> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as the
> legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can actually
> sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN AMOUNT as
> disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
>
>
> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring
> members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the bosses?
> message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC and
> discredit it, its management, and its reputation.
>
>
> *(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*
>
>
> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should stand
> against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such voices as
> we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.
>
>
>
> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is at
> its apotheosis.
>
>
>
> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.
>
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From owen at delong.com  Mon May 30 19:35:05 2022
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 12:35:05 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
In-Reply-To: <CANOqSOTb6PX6HTsG05kX5gGNmsBqYdW9QchKt0xiS7Bn5K9rmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANOqSOTb6PX6HTsG05kX5gGNmsBqYdW9QchKt0xiS7Bn5K9rmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09CD7796-0E11-4EA1-9FE8-ACA184737199@delong.com>


> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such as malicious offers of money.

This is true? It should not be obstructed by the board making arbitrary decisions about the number of seats that stand for election.
It should not be obstructed by the board and nominating committee conspiring to prevent legitimate candidates from reaching the ballot.
It should not be obstructed by the nominating committee placing only one candidate before the body for a given office when there is no way available for the body to express a desire not to put that candidate in office.

An election is supposed to be about choosing. When the board and the nominating committee act in bad faith to prevent the orderly conduct of choosing of board members in the above manner, action must be taken to hold the board to account and to insist that corrective actions be taken.

> But, someone and his agents have been:

> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about the future of AfriNIC.
Oh really? Wh would that be and why do you not name this offensive person?
Do you have any evidence of these acts to present or are you attempting to bully, manipulate, or intimidate the electorate with false news and false rumors?

> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$, and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide the right to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
Again, do you have any evidence to present to support these allegations? It is difficult to give much credence to an accuser who offers neither the name of the accused, nor any facts or evidence to support the allegations.

>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my view, on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the organization.

How can one entity give another authority to file litigations unless the entity in question is a lawyer retained by the first entity? You are making little or no sense here.
 
> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?

While I am unaware of any efforts to purchase votes, I would point out that there is nothing in the organizations constitution regarding such possibilities other than the specific provisions that allow for proxies. There is nothing in the bylaws (constitution) which prohibits the purchase of proxies. IMHO, such an act would certainly be immoral, unethical, and corrupt, but in terms of the ?legal democratic practice of the constitution?, I suggest that you read same prior to making such claims.
 
> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.

Try as I might, I am unable to parse the above gibberish into any logical meaning.

>  Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as members, to our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is only those without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of dollars for their rights.

If this is true, then there are two possibilities expressed by you here:

	1.	You think that the majority of your fellow Africans cannot be trusted and have no sense of belonging.
	2.	This email should be utterly unnecessary and serves no purpose as nobody is likely to be swayed in such a manner.

So which is it? Are you writing an unnecessary rant to hear yourself bloviate or are you so insulting the integrity of your fellow Africans?

> (Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots)
> 
> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as the legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can actually sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN AMOUNT as disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
Again, I ask who is this individual you has sold AFRINIC addresses outside of the region? Perhaps you are referring to Elad Cohen, as he is the only individual I can think of who fits such a description.

> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the bosses? message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC and discredit it, its management, and its reputation.

I wasn?t aware that Mr. Cohen had a sponsorship program or a message. Please do elaborate on this and present any evidence you have to support such a claim.

> (Sticks in a bundle are unbreakable!)
> 
> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should stand against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such voices as we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.

Indeed, I fully support a call to action to right the various wrongs that have been done in the AFRINIC electoral processes. Let us all make it clear to the board that their malfeasance will no longer be tolerated. Let us demand free and fair elections among all qualified candidates.  Let us insist that all board seats that are empty be chosen by the electorate and not appointed by the board or a conspiracy between the board and the nominating committee. Let us bring to light all of the misdeeds of this board and the staff. Let us solve all of these problems and build a stronger, cleaner AFRINIC for the good of all Africans. One built on the rule of law and without the corruption. One which does not attempt to make up the rules as we go along without regard to what is written.
 
> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is at its apotheosis.

I confess I had to look up ratiocination, but I agree it is the right word. Let us please apply some deep thinking and resolve the quagmire that is the current board.
 
> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.

Well, you are close, but not quite? Vote African sovereignty. Vote Africa. Do not make or pretend that AFRINIC is the sovereign. The community and the membership must be the sovereigns over AFRINIC and its board, not the other way around. They are there to serve the community according to the rules and procedures defined by the community and not to make arbitrary and capricious rulings of their own.

Owen

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From admin at megamore.ng  Tue May 31 00:51:53 2022
From: admin at megamore.ng (CTO admin)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 04:51:53 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
In-Reply-To: <09CD7796-0E11-4EA1-9FE8-ACA184737199@delong.com>
References: <CANOqSOTb6PX6HTsG05kX5gGNmsBqYdW9QchKt0xiS7Bn5K9rmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <09CD7796-0E11-4EA1-9FE8-ACA184737199@delong.com>
Message-ID: <CANOqSORvCp93ZwDCrHMgiDA84zjgEAcQOgwLtOmtNVx+3VZZ3A@mail.gmail.com>

Your remarks received but I won?t be dragged to a discussion about this
especially you and other three members, contrary to a very few, I am not a
prepaid pawn.

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:35 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional
> right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and
> uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such as
> malicious offers of money.
>
>
> This is true? It should not be obstructed by the board making arbitrary
> decisions about the number of seats that stand for election.
> It should not be obstructed by the board and nominating committee
> conspiring to prevent legitimate candidates from reaching the ballot.
> It should not be obstructed by the nominating committee placing only one
> candidate before the body for a given office when there is no way available
> for the body to express a desire not to put that candidate in office.
>
> An election is supposed to be about choosing. When the board and the
> nominating committee act in bad faith to prevent the orderly conduct of
> choosing of board members in the above manner, action must be taken to hold
> the board to account and to insist that corrective actions be taken.
>
> But, someone and his agents have been:
>
>
> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about
> the future of AfriNIC.
>
> Oh really? Wh would that be and why do you not name this offensive person?
> Do you have any evidence of these acts to present or are you attempting to
> bully, manipulate, or intimidate the electorate with false news and false
> rumors?
>
> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$,
> and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide the right
> to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
>
> Again, do you have any evidence to present to support these allegations?
> It is difficult to give much credence to an accuser who offers neither the
> name of the accused, nor any facts or evidence to support the allegations.
>
>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my view,
> on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the organization.
>
>
> How can one entity give another authority to file litigations unless the
> entity in question is a lawyer retained by the first entity? You are making
> little or no sense here.
>
>
> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
> legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
> real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?
>
>
> While I am unaware of any efforts to purchase votes, I would point out
> that there is nothing in the organizations constitution regarding such
> possibilities other than the specific provisions that allow for proxies.
> There is nothing in the bylaws (constitution) which prohibits the purchase
> of proxies. IMHO, such an act would certainly be immoral, unethical, and
> corrupt, but in terms of the ?legal democratic practice of the
> constitution?, I suggest that you read same prior to making such claims.
>
>
> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
> good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.
>
>
> Try as I might, I am unable to parse the above gibberish into any logical
> meaning.
>
>  Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as members,
> to our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is only those
> without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of dollars for their
> rights.
>
>
> If this is true, then there are two possibilities expressed by you here:
>
> 1. You think that the majority of your fellow Africans cannot be trusted
> and have no sense of belonging.
> 2. This email should be utterly unnecessary and serves no purpose as
> nobody is likely to be swayed in such a manner.
>
> So which is it? Are you writing an unnecessary rant to hear yourself
> bloviate or are you so insulting the integrity of your fellow Africans?
>
> *(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots**)*
>
> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as the
> legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can actually
> sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN AMOUNT as
> disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
>
> Again, I ask who is this individual you has sold AFRINIC addresses outside
> of the region? Perhaps you are referring to Elad Cohen, as he is the only
> individual I can think of who fits such a description.
>
> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring
> members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the bosses?
> message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC and
> discredit it, its management, and its reputation.
>
>
> I wasn?t aware that Mr. Cohen had a sponsorship program or a message.
> Please do elaborate on this and present any evidence you have to support
> such a claim.
>
> *(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*
>
> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should stand
> against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such voices as
> we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.
>
>
> Indeed, I fully support a call to action to right the various wrongs that
> have been done in the AFRINIC electoral processes. Let us all make it clear
> to the board that their malfeasance will no longer be tolerated. Let us
> demand free and fair elections among all qualified candidates.  Let us
> insist that all board seats that are empty be chosen by the electorate and
> not appointed by the board or a conspiracy between the board and the
> nominating committee. Let us bring to light all of the misdeeds of this
> board and the staff. Let us solve all of these problems and build a
> stronger, cleaner AFRINIC for the good of all Africans. One built on the
> rule of law and without the corruption. One which does not attempt to make
> up the rules as we go along without regard to what is written.
>
>
> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is at
> its apotheosis.
>
>
> I confess I had to look up ratiocination, but I agree it is the right
> word. Let us please apply some deep thinking and resolve the quagmire that
> is the current board.
>
>
> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.
>
>
> Well, you are close, but not quite? Vote African sovereignty. Vote Africa.
> Do not make or pretend that AFRINIC is the sovereign. The community and the
> membership must be the sovereigns over AFRINIC and its board, not the other
> way around. They are there to serve the community according to the rules
> and procedures defined by the community and not to make arbitrary and
> capricious rulings of their own.
>
> Owen
>
>
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From dewole at tinitop.com  Tue May 31 03:55:16 2022
From: dewole at tinitop.com (Dewole Ajao)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 04:55:16 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
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Thanks for raising the matter of vote buying/selling, Mr Amin. Clearly,
some "network operations" are way more profitable than others.

To be clear, I am not in support of monetizing votes. As a resource member,
I was also cold-called and I feigned interest (even haggled terms and
pricing:-D) in order to get more details and understand the "business
model" and the players behind it.

While it is quite despicable (on the part of the desperate sponsor and on
the part of the hungry fools who help to crush the RIR by selling off their
membership rights), it doesn't break any currently established laws (much
as I wish it did). For sure it is indecent and even borders on criminal,
but we the members are the ones who can create consequences for such
behaviour by creating bylaws to deal with it.

Be that as it may, may I ask, Mr Amin, what do you think of the issues
raised by members (myself included) about the current board and nomination
committee's election and appointment processes regarding these same 2022
elections you refer to?

Regards,
Dewole.


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 1:54 AM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:

> Your remarks received but I won?t be dragged to a discussion about this
> especially you and other three members, contrary to a very few, I am not a
> prepaid pawn.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:35 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional
>> right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and
>> uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such as
>> malicious offers of money.
>>
>>
>> This is true? It should not be obstructed by the board making arbitrary
>> decisions about the number of seats that stand for election.
>> It should not be obstructed by the board and nominating committee
>> conspiring to prevent legitimate candidates from reaching the ballot.
>> It should not be obstructed by the nominating committee placing only one
>> candidate before the body for a given office when there is no way available
>> for the body to express a desire not to put that candidate in office.
>>
>> An election is supposed to be about choosing. When the board and the
>> nominating committee act in bad faith to prevent the orderly conduct of
>> choosing of board members in the above manner, action must be taken to hold
>> the board to account and to insist that corrective actions be taken.
>>
>> But, someone and his agents have been:
>>
>>
>> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about
>> the future of AfriNIC.
>>
>> Oh really? Wh would that be and why do you not name this offensive person?
>> Do you have any evidence of these acts to present or are you attempting
>> to bully, manipulate, or intimidate the electorate with false news and
>> false rumors?
>>
>> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$,
>> and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide the right
>> to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
>>
>> Again, do you have any evidence to present to support these allegations?
>> It is difficult to give much credence to an accuser who offers neither the
>> name of the accused, nor any facts or evidence to support the allegations.
>>
>>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my view,
>> on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the organization.
>>
>>
>> How can one entity give another authority to file litigations unless the
>> entity in question is a lawyer retained by the first entity? You are making
>> little or no sense here.
>>
>>
>> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
>> legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
>> real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?
>>
>>
>> While I am unaware of any efforts to purchase votes, I would point out
>> that there is nothing in the organizations constitution regarding such
>> possibilities other than the specific provisions that allow for proxies.
>> There is nothing in the bylaws (constitution) which prohibits the purchase
>> of proxies. IMHO, such an act would certainly be immoral, unethical, and
>> corrupt, but in terms of the ?legal democratic practice of the
>> constitution?, I suggest that you read same prior to making such claims.
>>
>>
>> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
>> good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.
>>
>>
>> Try as I might, I am unable to parse the above gibberish into any logical
>> meaning.
>>
>>  Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as members,
>> to our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is only those
>> without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of dollars for their
>> rights.
>>
>>
>> If this is true, then there are two possibilities expressed by you here:
>>
>> 1. You think that the majority of your fellow Africans cannot be trusted
>> and have no sense of belonging.
>> 2. This email should be utterly unnecessary and serves no purpose as
>> nobody is likely to be swayed in such a manner.
>>
>> So which is it? Are you writing an unnecessary rant to hear yourself
>> bloviate or are you so insulting the integrity of your fellow Africans?
>>
>> *(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots**)*
>>
>> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as
>> the legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can
>> actually sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN
>> AMOUNT as disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
>>
>> Again, I ask who is this individual you has sold AFRINIC addresses
>> outside of the region? Perhaps you are referring to Elad Cohen, as he is
>> the only individual I can think of who fits such a description.
>>
>> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring
>> members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the bosses?
>> message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC and
>> discredit it, its management, and its reputation.
>>
>>
>> I wasn?t aware that Mr. Cohen had a sponsorship program or a message.
>> Please do elaborate on this and present any evidence you have to support
>> such a claim.
>>
>> *(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*
>>
>> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should stand
>> against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such voices as
>> we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.
>>
>>
>> Indeed, I fully support a call to action to right the various wrongs that
>> have been done in the AFRINIC electoral processes. Let us all make it clear
>> to the board that their malfeasance will no longer be tolerated. Let us
>> demand free and fair elections among all qualified candidates.  Let us
>> insist that all board seats that are empty be chosen by the electorate and
>> not appointed by the board or a conspiracy between the board and the
>> nominating committee. Let us bring to light all of the misdeeds of this
>> board and the staff. Let us solve all of these problems and build a
>> stronger, cleaner AFRINIC for the good of all Africans. One built on the
>> rule of law and without the corruption. One which does not attempt to make
>> up the rules as we go along without regard to what is written.
>>
>>
>> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is
>> at its apotheosis.
>>
>>
>> I confess I had to look up ratiocination, but I agree it is the right
>> word. Let us please apply some deep thinking and resolve the quagmire that
>> is the current board.
>>
>>
>> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.
>>
>>
>> Well, you are close, but not quite? Vote African sovereignty. Vote
>> Africa. Do not make or pretend that AFRINIC is the sovereign. The community
>> and the membership must be the sovereigns over AFRINIC and its board, not
>> the other way around. They are there to serve the community according to
>> the rules and procedures defined by the community and not to make arbitrary
>> and capricious rulings of their own.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From admin at megamore.ng  Tue May 31 05:42:08 2022
From: admin at megamore.ng (CTO admin)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:42:08 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
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Hello Mr Dewole,

I sincerely did not go through the emails and had no time to read them.

My appeal is to form stability in AfriNic and discuss reasonably all
reforms, policies and other stuff.

My Prayer is we create peace and harmony between each other as members and
between us and the board we elected.

Sometimes i support the view of Disparate times call for Tough measures,
 so In my view we and in general, I think we should ease the tension and
focus on the bigger issues we have, force the board to act and function as
well as the chair and not to stay on the sidelines.

It is a great shame that our board directors they don't relate with members
in their countries in the middle of this mess.

It is an extraordinary fault of some members to still have the racist
mentality, also this thinking of anglo and franco, I judge by what I
learned yesterday, which escalated to defamation and and allegations
against me only because I am dual citizen.

Let us have a discussion in Nigeria when I am back, will be delight led to
host you and to make it more beneficial we can call also other members in
Nigeria and we make a forum or work shop together.

When we join hands, minds, efforts, and work (in real sense) for the
greatest good of African Continent, the reputation of our RIR, No one can
control our limited resources, but if we remain of the bush mentality of
what is mentioned above, we will NEVER develop.

The history is full of our success stories, let us start making a new story
Today that our grand children will enjoy and tell that our grand fathers
and ancestors stood against the ambush that was stripping our continent of
its Rights which in My view is an international security Concern not just
African





On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 7:55 AM Dewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com> wrote:

> Thanks for raising the matter of vote buying/selling, Mr Amin. Clearly,
> some "network operations" are way more profitable than others.
>
> To be clear, I am not in support of monetizing votes. As a resource
> member, I was also cold-called and I feigned interest (even haggled terms
> and pricing:-D) in order to get more details and understand the "business
> model" and the players behind it.
>
> While it is quite despicable (on the part of the desperate sponsor and on
> the part of the hungry fools who help to crush the RIR by selling off their
> membership rights), it doesn't break any currently established laws (much
> as I wish it did). For sure it is indecent and even borders on criminal,
> but we the members are the ones who can create consequences for such
> behaviour by creating bylaws to deal with it.
>
> Be that as it may, may I ask, Mr Amin, what do you think of the issues
> raised by members (myself included) about the current board and nomination
> committee's election and appointment processes regarding these same 2022
> elections you refer to?
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 1:54 AM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:
>
>> Your remarks received but I won?t be dragged to a discussion about this
>> especially you and other three members, contrary to a very few, I am not a
>> prepaid pawn.
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:35 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional
>>> right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and
>>> uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such as
>>> malicious offers of money.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is true? It should not be obstructed by the board making arbitrary
>>> decisions about the number of seats that stand for election.
>>> It should not be obstructed by the board and nominating committee
>>> conspiring to prevent legitimate candidates from reaching the ballot.
>>> It should not be obstructed by the nominating committee placing only one
>>> candidate before the body for a given office when there is no way available
>>> for the body to express a desire not to put that candidate in office.
>>>
>>> An election is supposed to be about choosing. When the board and the
>>> nominating committee act in bad faith to prevent the orderly conduct of
>>> choosing of board members in the above manner, action must be taken to hold
>>> the board to account and to insist that corrective actions be taken.
>>>
>>> But, someone and his agents have been:
>>>
>>>
>>> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about
>>> the future of AfriNIC.
>>>
>>> Oh really? Wh would that be and why do you not name this offensive
>>> person?
>>> Do you have any evidence of these acts to present or are you attempting
>>> to bully, manipulate, or intimidate the electorate with false news and
>>> false rumors?
>>>
>>> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$,
>>> and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide the right
>>> to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
>>>
>>> Again, do you have any evidence to present to support these allegations?
>>> It is difficult to give much credence to an accuser who offers neither the
>>> name of the accused, nor any facts or evidence to support the allegations.
>>>
>>>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my view,
>>> on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the organization.
>>>
>>>
>>> How can one entity give another authority to file litigations unless the
>>> entity in question is a lawyer retained by the first entity? You are making
>>> little or no sense here.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
>>> legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
>>> real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?
>>>
>>>
>>> While I am unaware of any efforts to purchase votes, I would point out
>>> that there is nothing in the organizations constitution regarding such
>>> possibilities other than the specific provisions that allow for proxies.
>>> There is nothing in the bylaws (constitution) which prohibits the purchase
>>> of proxies. IMHO, such an act would certainly be immoral, unethical, and
>>> corrupt, but in terms of the ?legal democratic practice of the
>>> constitution?, I suggest that you read same prior to making such claims.
>>>
>>>
>>> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
>>> good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.
>>>
>>>
>>> Try as I might, I am unable to parse the above gibberish into any
>>> logical meaning.
>>>
>>>  Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as
>>> members, to our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is
>>> only those without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of
>>> dollars for their rights.
>>>
>>>
>>> If this is true, then there are two possibilities expressed by you here:
>>>
>>> 1. You think that the majority of your fellow Africans cannot be
>>> trusted and have no sense of belonging.
>>> 2. This email should be utterly unnecessary and serves no purpose as
>>> nobody is likely to be swayed in such a manner.
>>>
>>> So which is it? Are you writing an unnecessary rant to hear yourself
>>> bloviate or are you so insulting the integrity of your fellow Africans?
>>>
>>> *(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots**)*
>>>
>>> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as
>>> the legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can
>>> actually sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN
>>> AMOUNT as disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
>>>
>>> Again, I ask who is this individual you has sold AFRINIC addresses
>>> outside of the region? Perhaps you are referring to Elad Cohen, as he is
>>> the only individual I can think of who fits such a description.
>>>
>>> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring
>>> members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the
>>> bosses? message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC
>>> and discredit it, its management, and its reputation.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wasn?t aware that Mr. Cohen had a sponsorship program or a message.
>>> Please do elaborate on this and present any evidence you have to support
>>> such a claim.
>>>
>>> *(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*
>>>
>>> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should stand
>>> against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such voices as
>>> we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, I fully support a call to action to right the various wrongs
>>> that have been done in the AFRINIC electoral processes. Let us all make it
>>> clear to the board that their malfeasance will no longer be tolerated. Let
>>> us demand free and fair elections among all qualified candidates.  Let us
>>> insist that all board seats that are empty be chosen by the electorate and
>>> not appointed by the board or a conspiracy between the board and the
>>> nominating committee. Let us bring to light all of the misdeeds of this
>>> board and the staff. Let us solve all of these problems and build a
>>> stronger, cleaner AFRINIC for the good of all Africans. One built on the
>>> rule of law and without the corruption. One which does not attempt to make
>>> up the rules as we go along without regard to what is written.
>>>
>>>
>>> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is
>>> at its apotheosis.
>>>
>>>
>>> I confess I had to look up ratiocination, but I agree it is the right
>>> word. Let us please apply some deep thinking and resolve the quagmire that
>>> is the current board.
>>>
>>>
>>> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you are close, but not quite? Vote African sovereignty. Vote
>>> Africa. Do not make or pretend that AFRINIC is the sovereign. The community
>>> and the membership must be the sovereigns over AFRINIC and its board, not
>>> the other way around. They are there to serve the community according to
>>> the rules and procedures defined by the community and not to make arbitrary
>>> and capricious rulings of their own.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>
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From dewole at tinitop.com  Tue May 31 07:09:03 2022
From: dewole at tinitop.com (Dewole Ajao)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 08:09:03 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Don't sell your Vote!
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Okay, I'll try to summarize.

The board issues you missed have their origins in the board's resolutions
to extend seat tenures at will and manipulate the provisions for casual
filling of vacant seats. You only need to read a few board resolutions from
this year; there aren't very many.

The nomcom issues you seem to have missed have their origins in nomcom's
decisions to filter out candidates they do not like. Every member who has
had a credible nominee dropped is well aware of this but only 2 members
have spoken up. A simple request has been made for transparency into the
process that was use but nomcom refuses to share details and the board
pretends it is incapacitated in the matter. Probably because the process
can not stand up to any level of scrutiny.

So, how do you propose we build reforms and candid engagement with one
another on top of all of this?

Regards,
Dewole.





On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 6:42 AM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:

> Hello Mr Dewole,
>
> I sincerely did not go through the emails and had no time to read them.
>
> My appeal is to form stability in AfriNic and discuss reasonably all
> reforms, policies and other stuff.
>
> My Prayer is we create peace and harmony between each other as members and
> between us and the board we elected.
>
> Sometimes i support the view of Disparate times call for Tough measures,
>  so In my view we and in general, I think we should ease the tension and
> focus on the bigger issues we have, force the board to act and function as
> well as the chair and not to stay on the sidelines.
>
> It is a great shame that our board directors they don't relate with
> members in their countries in the middle of this mess.
>
> It is an extraordinary fault of some members to still have the racist
> mentality, also this thinking of anglo and franco, I judge by what I
> learned yesterday, which escalated to defamation and and allegations
> against me only because I am dual citizen.
>
> Let us have a discussion in Nigeria when I am back, will be delight led to
> host you and to make it more beneficial we can call also other members in
> Nigeria and we make a forum or work shop together.
>
> When we join hands, minds, efforts, and work (in real sense) for the
> greatest good of African Continent, the reputation of our RIR, No one can
> control our limited resources, but if we remain of the bush mentality of
> what is mentioned above, we will NEVER develop.
>
> The history is full of our success stories, let us start making a new
> story Today that our grand children will enjoy and tell that our grand
> fathers and ancestors stood against the ambush that was stripping our
> continent of its Rights which in My view is an international security
> Concern not just African
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 7:55 AM Dewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for raising the matter of vote buying/selling, Mr Amin. Clearly,
>> some "network operations" are way more profitable than others.
>>
>> To be clear, I am not in support of monetizing votes. As a resource
>> member, I was also cold-called and I feigned interest (even haggled terms
>> and pricing:-D) in order to get more details and understand the "business
>> model" and the players behind it.
>>
>> While it is quite despicable (on the part of the desperate sponsor and on
>> the part of the hungry fools who help to crush the RIR by selling off their
>> membership rights), it doesn't break any currently established laws (much
>> as I wish it did). For sure it is indecent and even borders on criminal,
>> but we the members are the ones who can create consequences for such
>> behaviour by creating bylaws to deal with it.
>>
>> Be that as it may, may I ask, Mr Amin, what do you think of the issues
>> raised by members (myself included) about the current board and nomination
>> committee's election and appointment processes regarding these same 2022
>> elections you refer to?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dewole.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 1:54 AM CTO admin <admin at megamore.ng> wrote:
>>
>>> Your remarks received but I won?t be dragged to a discussion about this
>>> especially you and other three members, contrary to a very few, I am not a
>>> prepaid pawn.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:35 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The election of Board members, or any elections, is a constitutional
>>>> right and supposed to be a democratic process, unintimidated, and
>>>> uninfluenced by anything, not to mention any illegal activities such
>>>> as malicious offers of money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is true? It should not be obstructed by the board making arbitrary
>>>> decisions about the number of seats that stand for election.
>>>> It should not be obstructed by the board and nominating committee
>>>> conspiring to prevent legitimate candidates from reaching the ballot.
>>>> It should not be obstructed by the nominating committee placing only
>>>> one candidate before the body for a given office when there is no way
>>>> available for the body to express a desire not to put that candidate in
>>>> office.
>>>>
>>>> An election is supposed to be about choosing. When the board and the
>>>> nominating committee act in bad faith to prevent the orderly conduct of
>>>> choosing of board members in the above manner, action must be taken to hold
>>>> the board to account and to insist that corrective actions be taken.
>>>>
>>>> But, someone and his agents have been:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - bullying, manipulating, intimidating, and spreading false news about
>>>> the future of AfriNIC.
>>>>
>>>> Oh really? Wh would that be and why do you not name this offensive
>>>> person?
>>>> Do you have any evidence of these acts to present or are you attempting
>>>> to bully, manipulate, or intimidate the electorate with false news and
>>>> false rumors?
>>>>
>>>> - contacting resource holders with offers of money, $5000-$7000-1000$,
>>>> and promising other future investments, in return, you must provide
>>>> the right to access your AfriNIC portal and cast the vote.
>>>>
>>>> Again, do you have any evidence to present to support these
>>>> allegations? It is difficult to give much credence to an accuser who offers
>>>> neither the name of the accused, nor any facts or evidence to support the
>>>> allegations.
>>>>
>>>>  - give them authority to file litigations against AfriNIC, In my
>>>> view, on this point, is to abuse the judicial system and defame the
>>>> organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How can one entity give another authority to file litigations unless
>>>> the entity in question is a lawyer retained by the first entity? You are
>>>> making little or no sense here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paying anyone to buy his right to vote is squandering and abuse of the
>>>> legal democratic practice of the constitution, have we asked ourselves the
>>>> real motive behind this and the bigger outcome on the whole region?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I am unaware of any efforts to purchase votes, I would point out
>>>> that there is nothing in the organizations constitution regarding such
>>>> possibilities other than the specific provisions that allow for proxies.
>>>> There is nothing in the bylaws (constitution) which prohibits the purchase
>>>> of proxies. IMHO, such an act would certainly be immoral, unethical, and
>>>> corrupt, but in terms of the ?legal democratic practice of the
>>>> constitution?, I suggest that you read same prior to making such claims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This dissipation is egregious and includible, that such entities have a
>>>> good cause. In fact, it demonstrates audacious practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Try as I might, I am unable to parse the above gibberish into any
>>>> logical meaning.
>>>>
>>>>  Their proposition of money=right-to-vote is an insult to us as
>>>> members, to our pride as Africans, to our integrity as operators, it is
>>>> only those without any sense of belonging who will accept a bunch of
>>>> dollars for their rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If this is true, then there are two possibilities expressed by you here:
>>>>
>>>> 1. You think that the majority of your fellow Africans cannot be
>>>> trusted and have no sense of belonging.
>>>> 2. This email should be utterly unnecessary and serves no purpose as
>>>> nobody is likely to be swayed in such a manner.
>>>>
>>>> So which is it? Are you writing an unnecessary rant to hear yourself
>>>> bloviate or are you so insulting the integrity of your fellow Africans?
>>>>
>>>> *(**Rain beats the leopard's skin but it does not wash out the spots*
>>>> *)*
>>>>
>>>> Yes, bribery and malicious offers made a few stands against AfriNIC as
>>>> the legitimate RIR for the region, making them believe that they can
>>>> actually sell their IPV4 to corporates outside the region at a CERTAIN
>>>> AMOUNT as disclosed by the Mastermind Himself,
>>>>
>>>> Again, I ask who is this individual you has sold AFRINIC addresses
>>>> outside of the region? Perhaps you are referring to Elad Cohen, as he is
>>>> the only individual I can think of who fits such a description.
>>>>
>>>> Another way of systematically abusing the system was by sponsoring
>>>> members to attend the Annual Members General Meeting & voice the
>>>> bosses? message so that negative impressions can be built against AfriNIC
>>>> and discredit it, its management, and its reputation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wasn?t aware that Mr. Cohen had a sponsorship program or a message.
>>>> Please do elaborate on this and present any evidence you have to support
>>>> such a claim.
>>>>
>>>> *(S**ticks in a bundle are unbreakable!**)*
>>>>
>>>> If we believe in our sovereignty in Africa, our region, we should
>>>> stand against such malpractices, and insidious attacks, and ignore such
>>>> voices as we cannot call the forest that shelters us a jungle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I fully support a call to action to right the various wrongs
>>>> that have been done in the AFRINIC electoral processes. Let us all make it
>>>> clear to the board that their malfeasance will no longer be tolerated. Let
>>>> us demand free and fair elections among all qualified candidates.  Let us
>>>> insist that all board seats that are empty be chosen by the electorate and
>>>> not appointed by the board or a conspiracy between the board and the
>>>> nominating committee. Let us bring to light all of the misdeeds of this
>>>> board and the staff. Let us solve all of these problems and build a
>>>> stronger, cleaner AFRINIC for the good of all Africans. One built on the
>>>> rule of law and without the corruption. One which does not attempt to make
>>>> up the rules as we go along without regard to what is written.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I call on all of us for ratiocination in the quagmire we have, which is
>>>> at its apotheosis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I confess I had to look up ratiocination, but I agree it is the right
>>>> word. Let us please apply some deep thinking and resolve the quagmire that
>>>> is the current board.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VOTE FOR AFRINIC SOVRIENTY, VOTE AFRICA, and DON?T SELL YOUR VOTE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you are close, but not quite? Vote African sovereignty. Vote
>>>> Africa. Do not make or pretend that AFRINIC is the sovereign. The community
>>>> and the membership must be the sovereigns over AFRINIC and its board, not
>>>> the other way around. They are there to serve the community according to
>>>> the rules and procedures defined by the community and not to make arbitrary
>>>> and capricious rulings of their own.
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
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>>>
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Tue May 31 12:41:31 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 16:41:31 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss]
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Dear Legal Team,

> On 31 May 2022, at 16:23, legal at afrinic.net wrote:
> 2.4 The attention of our Resource Members is specifically drawn to article 12(9) of the Bylaws which provides that "a corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint a representative to attend an Annual General Members' Meeting on its behalf in the same manner as that in which it could appoint a proxy". Therefore, in addition to the prevailing sanitary protocol, you are hereby expressly informed that physical access to the designated AGMM Room shall be restricted to ONE representative of a Resource Member only. The same principle shall apply to Resource Members participating virtually. All other interested persons will be able to follow the proceedings online via the AFRINIC's youtube channel.
> 

It is a pity that such information is sent only three two days before the AGMM.

Also, for a minute let?s agree that due to the restriction on 50 pax in a room you are limiting the attendance to one representative per Resource Member, then why is such limitation applied to Resource Members participating virtually?
> 4.     Proxy appointment
> 
> 4.1 Subject to the election process approved by the Board -?https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2022 <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/fd1ICpgKoJspk8yIP4uy7>, you are reminded that registration with respect to the appointment of proxy started on Thursday 19 May 2022 and closed on Saturday, 28 May 2022, i.e. 5 clear days before the election day.
> 
I understood from AFRINIC Comms email [1] dated 27 May that AFRINIC will not go ahead with the Board elections.

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd

[1] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/private/members-discuss/2022-May/003226.html
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From paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net  Tue May 31 13:58:25 2022
From: paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net (Paul Wollner)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 15:58:25 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Formal objection to the notice of meeting
 issued for the AfriNIC Annual General Members meeting.
Message-ID: <1811a691cc4.c1dbbcb41731233.219970311131744752@africaoncloud.net>

Dear AfriNIC Board,

Africa On Cloud (hereafter referred to as "The Party") wishes to raise formal objection to the notice of meeting issued for the AfriNIC Annual General Members meeting.

The notice of meeting is deficient in that:?

a.) It does not include an ordinary resolution to adopt the financials as is required by clause 7.6.i of the bylaws
b.) It does not include an ordinary resolution to appoint the auditors as required by clause http://7.6.iv/ of the bylaws
c.) The notice of meeting indicates the closure of an election which is never opened on the agenda


As such, while representatives of The Party will be present at the annual general members meeting, it is under protest as to the irregularity of the meeting and The Party gives no waiver as to the irregularities cited above.

It refer to section 12.3 of the bylaws

12.3) Any irregularity in a notice of an Annual General Member Meeting shall be waived where all the members entitled to attend and vote at the Annual General Members? Meeting attend the said Meeting without protest as to the irregularity, or where all members agree to the waiver.

Yours Sincerely

Paul Wollner
CEO
Africa On Cloud
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From ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu  Tue May 31 18:18:07 2022
From: ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu (Ish Sookun)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 22:18:07 +0400
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Dear AFRINIC Comms,

> On 31 May 2022, at 22:00, AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Article 12.14(9) provides, inter-alia as follows - "Corporations may act by representative. A corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint a representative to attend an Annual General Members? Meeting on its behalf in the same manner as that in which it could appoint a proxy.?.

The above does not specify that a corporate body cannot be represented by more than one person in the AGMM.

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue May 31 18:27:29 2022
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 18:27:29 +0000
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Exactly Ish,

You beat me to it - all this says is that a corporation may be represented by proxy appointment - it does not create a situation for single person representation - and this is a very far stretch at best - and at worst nothing more than semantics designed to confuse.

Are we so disrespected that we are thought of as stupid that we will buy this nonsense?

Andrew

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

________________________________
From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 21:18
To: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
Cc: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>; legal at afrinic.net <legal at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Community Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS? MEETING (AGMM)

Dear AFRINIC Comms,

On 31 May 2022, at 22:00, AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net<mailto:comms at afrinic.net>> wrote:

Article 12.14(9) provides, inter-alia as follows - "Corporations may act by representative. A corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint a representative to attend an Annual General Members? Meeting on its behalf in the same manner as that in which it could appoint a proxy.?.

The above does not specify that a corporate body cannot be represented by more than one person in the AGMM.

Regards,

???

Ish Sookun

Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
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From dewole at tinitop.com  Tue May 31 18:50:43 2022
From: dewole at tinitop.com (Dewole Ajao [Tinitop Technologies])
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:50:43 +0100
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Also, the quoted article 12.24 is a provision to prevent confusion about the representation of corporations by natural persons. 

AFRINIC members have staff with technical functions, staff with general administrative/finance functions, and possibly staff with legal functions. Which of them should be excluded from what segments of the AGMM? 

I?m hopeful that some thought went into this on the part of Legal and the Board. Can AFRINIC?s leadership please explain what problem we are trying to solve by limiting the degree of participation of members? Maybe we can find an alternative solution? 

Thanks. 

Dewole. 

Sent from a mobile device

> On May 31, 2022, at 19:29, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Exactly Ish,
> 
> You beat me to it - all this says is that a corporation may be represented by proxy appointment - it does not create a situation for single person representation - and this is a very far stretch at best - and at worst nothing more than semantics designed to confuse.
> 
> Are we so disrespected that we are thought of as stupid that we will buy this nonsense?
> 
> Andrew 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
>  
> From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 21:18
> To: AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net>
> Cc: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>; legal at afrinic.net <legal at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Community Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS? MEETING (AGMM)
>  
> Dear AFRINIC Comms,
> 
>> On 31 May 2022, at 22:00, AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Article 12.14(9) provides, inter-alia as follows - "Corporations may act by representative. A corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint a representative to attend an Annual General Members? Meeting on its behalf in the same manner as that in which it could appoint a proxy.?.
> 
> The above does not specify that a corporate body cannot be represented by more than one person in the AGMM.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> ???
> 
> Ish Sookun
> 
> Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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