[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Murungi Daniel]

Dear Paschal,

As I have explicitly stated before, I do not agree with personal attacks against anyone with differing opinions. It is clear that there are still community members who have information pertinent to this thread that the community should know about (IMHO).

Given what is at stake, and with all due respect to the AFRINIC COMMS team, If that earns me a slap on the wrist (not the face :) ), then so be it.

Regards,
Daniel


> On Jul 27, 2021, at 4:18 PM, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> This thread is not open according to the mail below. Unless as usual you want the whole community to ignore calls for regard of authority and go down the lane of non moderation of discussions.

> 

> On Monday, July 26, 2021, AFRINIC Communication <comms at afrinic.net <mailto:comms at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,

> 

> We kindly ask you all to refrain from continuing with this thread as it seems to be mostly geared towards personal attacks.

> 

> Regardless of the motive, AFRINIC may be forced to issue warnings to those who do not comply and choose to ignore this message.

> 

> Also please refer to the email sent this morning on the AFRINIC Code of Conduct: 

> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-July/004278.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-July/004278.html>

> 

> Regards

> AFRINIC Communications

> 

> …………………………………………………………

> 

> 

> Chers collègues,

> 

> Nous vous invitons à vous abstenir de poursuivre ce fil de discussion, car il semble être principalement orienté vers des attaques personnelles.

> 

> Quel qu'en soit le motif, l'AFRINIC pourrait être contrainte d'émettre des avertissements à ceux qui ne se conforment pas et choisissent d'ignorer ce message.

> 

> Veuillez également vous référer à l'email que nous avons envoyé ce matin sur le code de conduite de l'AFRINIC : https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-July/004278.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-July/004278.html>

> 

> Cordialement,

> AFRINIC Communications

> 

> 

>> On 26 Jul 2021, at 15:39, Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>> wrote:

>> 

>> Dear Leo S,

>> 

>> You are churning out awesome figures here, unarguably so. However, I wish you can spare some time to responded to my question on motive.

>> While this is all now glaring, it is important to know if you are here shedding light, providing heat, or fanning smokes into our eyes? 

>> You seem to be baiting the community with your posts. "This is good news for ISPs who rent IP from them, No need to change the IP address for the end user."

>> 

>> 

>> Regards,

>> Anthony

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:01 AM Leo S <leoso at afcast.com <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:

>> These addresses are worth more than 100 million US dollars. If the address is revoked. For them, they will face a loss of 90% of their income Forced to close business. They will go all out, For Cloud Innovation Ltd, this is more than 100 million US dollars in cash. For AFRINIC it's a mere $10,000 USD. Actions that can be taken in the face of such a large amount of money so I think AFRINIC may fail finally or compromise.

>> 

>> This is good news for ISPs who rent IP from them, No need to change the IP address for the end user.

>> 

>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:30 AM Ibeanusi Elvis <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com <mailto:ibeanusielvis at gmail.com>> wrote:

>> Hello, 

>> 

>> This is information of whatever anyone might choose to call it from Leo, shades no light to present discussion at hand.

>> To me, this is a clear defamation and personal attack to this "Lu Heng” guy. 

>> This is a clear violation of the Code of Conduct and there should be no question whether this is a personal attack or not. 

>> 

>> Best, 

>> Elvis.

>> 

>> > On Jul 26, 2021, at 11:04, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:

>> > 

>> > In message <CAKKt+fDLeYDt7jQVMVSrUuH5OUhL4XvvPb1bbiKSCx5wocguYg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAKKt%2BfDLeYDt7jQVMVSrUuH5OUhL4XvvPb1bbiKSCx5wocguYg at mail.gmail.com>>

>> > Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com <mailto:goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>> wrote:

>> > 

>> >> *He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few

>> >> years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart

>> >> and knows who should pay the money to.

>> >> 

>> >>> Leo's statement here hints that this guy called Lu Heng has engaged in

>> >> some sort of bribing. How is this not personal attack defamation?

>> > 

>> > I am forced to agree that Leo's second sentence, as quoted above, contitutes

>> > "casting aspersions" and in the absence of hard supporting evidence it was

>> > inappropriate, uncalled for, and contributed only heat and no light to

>> > the present discussion.

>> > 

>> > I made the exact same sort of mistake myself, right here on this mailing

>> > list, back in 2016, and later publicly apologized for that.  Perhaps that

>> > explains why I am less inclined that others to make a huge issue out of

>> > such utterances when they are made in the heat of the moment and without

>> > adequate thought.

>> > 

>> > I think that it should be sufficient to politely ask Leo to retract that

>> > one sentence, to apologize, and then let it go at that.  We already have

>> > more than enough wars to fight, tribal and otherwise, and we shouldn't be

>> > looking for reasons to start up new ones just based on this or that

>> > ill-considered statement that may be made by any of us during those times

>> > when our passions override our reason.

>> > 

>> > 

>> > Regards,

>> > rfg

>> > 

>> > 

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> -- 

> Kind regards,

> Paschal.

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