[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
Sun Jul 25 16:09:34 UTC 2021

What absolute nonsense - unless there is an NDA protecting the relationship people are free to disclose.

That’s like saying I can’t state that I buy jeans from party X - internet services from party Y - or eat a particular brand of chocolate.

Sorry unless there are confidentiality clauses in place - absolute rubbish - and if there are - that is between the buyer and the seller and has nothing to do with anyone on here


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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business


This is a direct violation of the CoC.

Disclosing such information and data without the company’s consent is a clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the concerned person.

Having a business or other relationship with the said company does not give you the right to divulge such details on a public mailing list. That is quite appalling.

Please refrain from violating the CoC and attacking entities in such manner. It can only be troublesome.

I am urging the PDWG chairs to act immediately by sanctioning the sender and deleting this delicate email from the list.


Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 15:39, Leo S <leoso at afcast.com<mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> a écrit :

About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model.

They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD per year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2 USD/year/IPv4 (large block in 2018 if Small block may be more expensive maybe $3 USD) and with an annual increase of 15% fee from the price

So the cost is $10,000 USD

Revenue is 7M x 2 = 14 Million

so it’s 150000% profit

Part of the cost is spent on RIR community activities and seeking support from members, and money will be used to defeat those who oppose it.

Are there any people in the world who don't love money? Those who accept their money will support them in the community. and questioned any action of discussion that would be detrimental to them.

Of course, this is Lu Heng.

He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart and knows who should pay the money to.

To rent an IP address from Cloud Innovation Ltd, you do not need to use their network services and circuits. Exactly they don't provide network service. and I think 90% of IP addresses are used in North America and Asia

I don't know much about AFRINIC's policy. But in ARIN you must have a circuit or network service then you can rent an IP address from the provider.

The AFRINIC internal audit action may be detrimental to Cloud Innovation Ltd, so they started some network services in South Africa last year as Africa on cloud. but it's a small network. I think the revenue from these services may account for less than 10% of their revenue. so 90% of their revenue still from IPv4 address leasing business

It can be seen from their income that they have enough money to support the lawsuit against AFRINIC. And spend money in the community to fight for their address not to be revoked.

very sad AFRINIC is too poor

By the way, I was also their customer before

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