[Community-Discuss] Notice of imminent reclamation of number resources

[Wijdane Goubi]

Hello,

I agree with what was mentioned above and I believe that asking such
inquiries does neither violate not infringes on the board's privacy, and
that we deserve to be given such information, particularly if it is about
canceling a membership.
We also have the full right to inquire about how that decision was made,
and that it is not a private matter if it was agreed upon years ago that it
should be made public, and also because it impacts a large number of users.

Regards,
Wijdane

Le ven. 9 juil. 2021 à 14:36, Mimi dy <dym5328 at gmail.com> a écrit :


> Hello all,

>

> I share the same view as Owen and Anthony. I really fail to understand why

> a "member-based organization" like AFRINIC is rejecting "community members'

> " request for some information which is originally supposed to be disclosed

> to all stakeholders. All I see here is a clear abandonment of AFRINIC's

> core principles: OPENNESS, TRANSPARENCY, FAIRNESS. Nothing is fair and

> transparent about the way AFRINIC tackles the community's concerns/requests.

> I feel like we should not even be having this whole discussion. From my

> understanding, an RIR exists because of the community, how is it now

> imposing insensitive rules, compromising the foundation of the Global

> Internet, and concealing info that is bound to be at the disposal of the

> community under any circumstances?

>

> First, Paul's queries remain unaddressed, then, normal requests are being

> rejected due to ambiguous privacy and disclosure reasons. We urge AFRINIC's

> staff for clarifications on these matters.

>

> Best regards.

>

> Le ven. 9 juil. 2021 à 12:53, Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> a

> écrit :

>

>> +1 @Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

>> Apt.

>>

>> I really find it difficult to understand why a call for some measure of

>> transparency is an issue here.

>> For an organization built on the foundation of "Trust" and "Transparency"

>> an inquiry like this should be responded to with smooth and prompt

>> responses.

>> Query on privacy clearly goes against the very principles of that very

>> foundation.

>>

>> @Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>

>> It's really not out of place for people to stand at opposite ends of the

>> table view-wise, in oppinon or in ideology, and stay consistently so. It

>> shouldn't baffle anyone, it is human nature.

>> There isn't a rule of thumb that says that an issue must remain on the

>> top burner until it strikes a chord, as is natural. Anything can trigger a

>> spike. It is within the purview of every single member of the community to

>> call make inquiries or to call the Board/members' inadequacies or " the

>> quality of board minutes and voting records" into question at any time they

>> feel the itch to do so, not necessarily at specific scheduled windows. In

>> this case, Paul's inquiry into this is his spike, and he reserves the right

>> to do so.

>>

>>

>> *Best Regards,*

>>

>> *Anthony Ubah *

>>

>>

>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:32 AM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <

>> community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>

>>> Daniel,

>>>

>>> With all due respect, no, we don’t. The voting record of board members

>>> in all matters AFRINIC

>>> is a perfectly valid thing to consider when they come up for re-election

>>> and should be a matter

>>> of public record.

>>>

>>> The members have a right to know how the board is acting on their behalf

>>> and they have a right

>>> to know which board members are acting in what way during board meetings.

>>>

>>> Everything requested should absolutely be part of the published minutes

>>> which the community

>>> and board agreed should be public several years ago.

>>>

>>> There are no privacy rights of the board as a body and the board members

>>> have no right or

>>> expectation of privacy in board actions. The only exception should be

>>> privileged or executive

>>> sessions, such as those dealing with personnel matters (e.g. the firing

>>> of the CEO, salaries, etc.).

>>>

>>> This motion should not fall within that criteria since the member in

>>> question was not invited to present

>>> a defense and was not in attendance at the meeting.

>>>

>>> Owen

>>>

>>> On Jul 8, 2021, at 23:55 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Paul,

>>>

>>> I don't think who voted is of importance to the community. We need to

>>> protect the privacy of the board members.

>>>

>>> The information you are requesting for infringes on privacy rights of

>>> the board.

>>>

>>> Otherwise, thanks for your concern.

>>>

>>> Daniel Nanghaka

>>>

>>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 9:49 AM Paul Wollner <

>>> paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> To whom it may concern,

>>>>

>>>> I believe the community would be most interested to see the notice,

>>>> attendance, and voting

>>>> record of the recent board meeting where Cloud Innovation’s membership

>>>> was summarily

>>>> terminated without notice and without opportunity to respond or appear

>>>> in their own defense.

>>>>

>>>> I think the community would be most interested to know:

>>>>

>>>> 1.    Which board members agreed to the meeting on short notice?

>>>> 2.    Which board members voted in favor of the motion and which

>>>> against?

>>>> 3.    Who tabled and who seconded the motion?

>>>> 4.    What was the nature and extent of deliberations?

>>>> 5.    Why the urgency to act so swiftly after the judge set aside the

>>>> order?

>>>> 6.    When was the meeting noticed?

>>>> 7.    When did the meeting take place?

>>>> 8.    How/where did the meeting take place?

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Paul Wollner

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ---- On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 23:14:18 +0200 Eddy Kayihura<eddy at afrinic.net>

>>>> wrote ----

>>>>

>>>> Dear Colleagues,

>>>>

>>>> AFRINIC hereby informs all those concerned that it has initiated

>>>> actions for the reclamation of Internet number resources from Cloud

>>>> Innovation Ltd.

>>>>

>>>> On 07 July 2021, the Supreme Court of Mauritius delivered a judgement

>>>> whereby the application for injunction lodged by Cloud Innovation Ltd has

>>>> been set aside.

>>>>

>>>> Consequently, on 08 July 2021, AFRINIC’s Board of Directors, whilst

>>>> acting reasonably and in good faith, more so, in light of the judgment of

>>>> the Supreme Court of Mauritius, found that Cloud Innovation Ltd failed to

>>>> honour its obligations under the Registration Service Agreement and has

>>>> thus decided to terminate the membership of Cloud Innovation Ltd as

>>>> well as reclaim its number resources in the following manner:

>>>>

>>>>    - The resources previously allocated to Cloud Innovation Ltd will

>>>>    be ‘frozen’ on the AFRINIC WHOIS database with Cloud Innovation Ltd no

>>>>    longer having access to the same.

>>>>

>>>>    -

>>>>

>>>>     In order not to disrupt Internet connectivity of the relevant

>>>>    users especially in the current context of the COVID-19 pandemic, all

>>>>    affected users will exceptionally be granted a grace period of 90 days to

>>>>    consider other available options in their best interests. Consequently, the

>>>>    actual reclamation of the relevant number resources will occur following

>>>>    the expiry of the grace period.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Eddy Kayihura

>>>> Chief Executive Officer,

>>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)

>>>> ceo at afrinic.net

>>>>

>>>> ………………………………………………………………………………………..

>>>>

>>>> Chers collègues,

>>>>

>>>> AFRINIC informe toutes les personnes concernées qu'elle a entamé des

>>>> actions de réclamation des ressources de numéros Internet auprès de Cloud

>>>> Innovation Ltd.

>>>>

>>>> Le 07 juillet 2021, la Cour Suprême de Maurice a rendu un jugement par

>>>> lequel la demande d'injonction déposée par Cloud Innovation Ltd a été

>>>> rejetée.

>>>>

>>>> En conséquence, le 08 juillet 2021, le Conseil d'administration

>>>> d'AFRINIC, tout en agissant raisonnablement et de bonne foi, et plus

>>>> encore, à la lumière du jugement de la Cour Suprême de Maurice, a constaté

>>>> que Cloud Innovation Ltd n'a pas honoré ses obligations en vertu du Contrat

>>>> de Service d'Enregistrement et a donc décidé de résilier l'adhésion de

>>>> Cloud Innovation Ltd ainsi que de réclamer ses ressources de numéros

>>>> Internet de la manière suivante :

>>>>

>>>>    - Les ressources précédemment attribuées à Cloud Innovation Ltd

>>>>    seront "gelées" dans la base de données WHOIS d'AFRINIC et Cloud Innovation

>>>>    Ltd n'y aura plus accès.

>>>>    -

>>>>

>>>>    Afin de ne pas interrompre la connectivité Internet des

>>>>    utilisateurs concernés, notamment dans le contexte actuel de la pandémie de

>>>>    COVID-19, tous les utilisateurs concernés bénéficieront exceptionnellement

>>>>    d'une période de grâce de 90 jours pour envisager d'autres options

>>>>    disponibles dans leur intérêt. Par conséquent, la réclamation effective des

>>>>    ressources numériques concernées aura lieu après l'expiration de la période

>>>>    de grâce.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Eddy Kayihura

>>>> Chief Executive Officer,

>>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)

>>>> ceo at afrinic.net

>>>>

>>>> …………………………………….

>>>>

>>>> زملائي الأعزاء،

>>>>

>>>> تُبلغ AFRINIC بموجب هذا جميع الأطراف المعنية بأنها قد بدأت إجراءات

>>>> لاسترداد موارد أرقام الإنترنت من Cloud Innovation Ltd.

>>>>

>>>> في 07 يوليو 2021 ، أصدرت المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس حكماً تم بموجبه إلغاء

>>>> طلب الإنذار المقدم من شركة Cloud Innovation Ltd.

>>>>

>>>> وبالتالي ، في 08 يوليو 2021 ، وجد مجلس إدارة AFRINIC ، أثناء تصرفه بشكل

>>>> معقول وبحسن نية ، في ضوء حكم المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، أن Cloud Innovation

>>>> Ltd فشلت في الوفاء بالتزاماتها بموجب اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل وبالتالي قررت

>>>> إنهاء عضوية Cloud Innovation Ltd وكذلك استعادة مواردها الرقمية بالطريقة

>>>> التالية:

>>>>

>>>> سيتم "تجميد" الموارد المخصصة سابقًا لشركة Cloud Innovation Ltd في قاعدة

>>>> بيانات AFRINIC WHOIS ، حيث لم يعد بإمكان Cloud Innovation Ltd الوصول إليها.

>>>>

>>>>  من أجل عدم تعطيل اتصال الإنترنت للمستخدمين المعنيين خاصة في السياق

>>>> الحالي لوباء COVID-19 ، سيتم منح جميع المستخدمين المتأثرين بشكل استثنائي

>>>> فترة سماح مدتها 90 يومًا للنظر في الخيارات المتاحة الأخرى بما يحقق مصلحتهم

>>>> الفضلى. وبالتالي ، فإن الاسترداد الفعلي لموارد الأرقام ذات الصلة سيحدث بعد

>>>> انتهاء فترة السماح.

>>>> Eddy Kayihura

>>>> Chief Executive Officer,

>>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)

>>>> ceo at afrinic.net

>>>>

>>>> …………………………….

>>>>

>>>> Caros Colegas,

>>>>

>>>> AFRINIC informa todos os interessados que iniciou acções para a

>>>> recuperação de recursos de números de Internet da Cloud Innovation Ltd.

>>>>

>>>> Em 07 de Julho de 2021, o Supremo Tribunal das Maurícias proferiu uma

>>>> sentença pela qual o pedido de injunção apresentado pela Cloud Innovation

>>>> Ltd foi anulado.

>>>>

>>>> Consequentemente, a 08 de Julho de 2021, o Conselho de Administração da

>>>> AFRINIC, embora agindo razoavelmente e de boa fé, mais ainda, à luz do

>>>> acórdão do Supremo Tribunal das Maurícias, considerou que a Cloud

>>>> Innovation Ltd não honrou as suas obrigações ao abrigo do Acordo de Serviço

>>>> de Registo, tendo assim decidido pôr termo à adesão da Cloud Innovation

>>>> Ltd, bem como reclamar os seus recursos numéricos da seguinte forma:

>>>>

>>>>    - Os recursos anteriormente atribuídos à Cloud Innovation Ltd serão

>>>>    "congelados" na base de dados AFRINIC WHOIS, tendo a Cloud Innovation Ltd

>>>>    deixado de ter acesso à mesma.

>>>>    -

>>>>

>>>>    A fim de não perturbar a conectividade Internet dos utilizadores

>>>>    relevantes, especialmente no actual contexto da pandemia COVID-19, todos os

>>>>    utilizadores afectados terão excepcionalmente um período de graça de 90

>>>>    dias para considerar outras opções disponíveis no seu melhor interesse.

>>>>    Consequentemente, a recuperação efectiva dos recursos numéricos relevantes

>>>>    ocorrerá após o termo do período de carência.

>>>>

>>>> Eddy Kayihura

>>>> Chief Executive Officer,

>>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)

>>>> ceo at afrinic.net

>>>>

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