[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

[Thizwilondi Malupa]

Hi Robert ,

I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is
pushing for the  transfer  policy for some other reasons. Passing a
transfer policy would  by all means reduce the risk of having AFRINIC badly
affected entirely , including this community  . And I think if we have a
transfer policy in place it will also be good for future challenges. But
not that it will always be a solution to look at during a crisis , but it
will be helpful to have it  in case it needs to be used .  I suggest you
look at it in a way where you put the interest of the future of the
AFRINIC  mind.

Regards,
Ishmael

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 3:50 PM robert ford via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:


> Typical of Andrew about transfer of rights. He clearly knows what he would

> use such transfer policy for.

>

> Glad rightful thinking members of African Internet community understand

> the baits

>

> RF

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:44, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> 

>

> It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the

> resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess

> AFRINIC is putting them through.

>

> But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we

> already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has

> achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies

> the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.*

>

>

> Best regards,

> Lamiaa CHNAYTI

>

>

>

> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss <

> community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:

>

>> It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers

>> and pass a transfer policy.

>>

>> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this

>> situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile

>> transfer out - problem solved.

>>

>> It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which

>> the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if

>> AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely

>> zero risk in this approach.

>>

>> Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other

>> legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the

>> current legal situation

>>

>> I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its

>> members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been

>> echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should

>> therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said

>> risk if it is within their powers to do so

>>

>> Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on

>> the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system

>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this

>> situation.  In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be

>> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members

>> mitigate their risks as they see fit

>>

>>

>> Andrew

>>

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>> *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>

>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM

>> *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>

>> *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss at arin.net>; secretariat <

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>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service

>> migration to other RIRs

>>

>> Good day all,

>>

>> I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement

>> has been watered down now).

>>

>> If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending

>> towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it

>> is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry

>> afloat.

>> Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to

>> save the region.

>> I will like the community to see this as “option 1”.

>>

>> Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so

>> likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to

>> carry out its duties?

>>

>> If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members.

>>

>> If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of

>> the financial breakdown.

>>

>> That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward

>> and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive.

>>

>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> 

>>

>> Hello community

>>

>> I think I  misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate

>> sentiments.

>>

>> Let me try this again:

>> In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC

>> (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service

>> function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted

>> to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses.

>>

>> Regards

>> Paul

>>

>>

>>

>> ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner

>> <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>>* wrote

>> ----

>>

>> Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large.

>>

>> The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and

>> especially by AFRINIC's  own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu,

>> which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s

>> inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its

>> inability to meet its financial requirements.

>>

>> I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's

>> hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry

>> service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as

>> well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s

>> registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some

>> time later. (

>> https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/

>> )

>>

>> That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come

>> out of litigation.

>>

>> Regards

>> Paul Wollner

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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