From comms at afrinic.net Wed Aug 5 17:22:33 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 21:22:33 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AIS'20 and AGMM Message-ID: <3D0561B0-2C2D-4EE1-BD66-5197A91A2C40@afrinic.net> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear AFRINIC Community members, AFRINIC has relied on its core values - community-driven, operational excellence, passion and innovation - to adapt to and manage the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic.Unfortunately, uncertainty still prevails with regard to the opening of international borders and the containment of the pandemic, which represent a major obstacle for AFRINIC to hold its AGMM and related elections face-to-face as originally planned and to revert to virtual ones during the AIS?20 on 14 - 18 September 2020. After a careful assessment of the situation and all the comments received from community members with regard to the holding of non-members elections, and the capacities of the company, the Board has decided to proceed with holding the 2020 elections online. We are pleased to inform you that the Board has approved an amended Election Process for the year 2020 (see https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] This is in readiness for the elections which will be conducted online for the first time in AFRINIC?s history. The revised Election Process 2020 was approved as per Article 13.2 of the Bylaws and will supersede all previous election processes and guidelines, exceptionally for the year 2020 because of the COVID-19 pandemic. The document contains important details on how the elections will be conducted, voter requirements and the time plan. Further details regarding the modalities of holding the elections will be shared by the CEO shortly. We thank you for your patience and understanding and look forward to your support and cooperation. Signed Dr. Christian D. Bope Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors ?????????????. AIS?20 et AGMM Chers membres de la Communaut? AFRINIC, AFRINIC s'est appuy?e sur ses valeurs fondamentales - la communaut?, l'excellence op?rationnelle, la passion et l'innovation - pour s'adapter et g?rer les d?fis de la pand?mie COVID-19. Malheureusement, l'incertitude r?gne toujours en ce qui concerne l'ouverture des fronti?res internationales et le combat contre la pand?mie, qui repr?sentent un obstacle majeur pour AFRINIC de tenir son AGMM et les ?lections connexes en face-?-face comme pr?vu initialement et de passer ? des ?lections virtuelles pendant l'AIS'20 qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. Apr?s une ?valuation minutieuse de la situation et de tous les commentaires re?us des membres de la communaut? en ce qui concerne la tenue des ?lections des non-membres, et les capacit?s de notre soci?t?, le Conseil d'administration a d?cid? de proc?der ? la tenue des ?lections de 2020 en ligne. Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que le Conseil d'administration a approuv? un processus d'?lection modifi? pour l'ann?e 2020 (voir https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] Ceci est en vue des ?lections qui se d?rouleront pour la premi?re fois en ligne dans l'histoire de l'AFRINIC. Le processus ?lectoral r?vis? 2020 a ?t? approuv? conform?ment ? l'article 13.2 des statuts et remplacera tous les processus et directives ?lectoraux pr?c?dents, exceptionnellement pour l'ann?e 2020 en raison de la pand?mie COVID-19. Le document contient des d?tails importants sur le d?roulement des ?lections, les exigences des ?lecteurs et le calendrier. D'autres d?tails concernant les modalit?s de tenue des ?lections seront communiqu?s prochainement par le directeur g?n?ral. Nous vous remercions de votre patience et de votre compr?hension et nous nous r?jouissons de votre soutien et de votre coop?ration. Sign? Dr Christian D. Bope Pr?sident du conseil d'administration de l?AFRINIC ?????? AIS'20 ? AGMM ?????? ????? ????? AFRINIC ? ????? AFRINIC ??? ???? ???????? - ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ????????? - ?????? ?? ?????? ???? COVID-19 ????????. ?????? ? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? AFRINIC ???? AGMM ??????????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ???? AIS'20 ?? 14 - 18 ?????? 2020. ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? 2020 ??? ????????. ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ???? 2020 (???? https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] ??? ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ????? AFRINIC. ??? ???????? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? 2020 ????? ?????? 13.2 ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???? 2020 ???? ????? COVID-19. ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????. ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ??????????. ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????. ???? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ????? AFRINIC ???????????? AIS'20 e AGMM Caros membros da Comunidade AFRINIC, A AFRINIC tem confiado nos seus valores fundamentais - comunidade, excel?ncia operacional, paix?o e inova??o - para se adaptar e gerir os desafios da pandemia da COVID-19. Infelizmente, a incerteza ainda prevalece no que diz respeito ? abertura das fronteiras internacionais e ? conten??o da pandemia, que representam um grande obst?culo para a AFRINIC realizar a sua AGMM e as elei??es relacionadas com a mesma, face a face, tal como originalmente planeado, e para voltar ?s virtuais durante a AIS'20, de 14 a 18 de Setembro de 2020. Ap?s uma avalia??o cuidadosa da situa??o e de todos os coment?rios recebidos de membros da comunidade relativamente ? realiza??o de elei??es para n?o-membros, e das capacidades da empresa, o Conselho de Administra??o decidiu proceder ? realiza??o das elei??es de 2020 em linha. Temos o prazer de informar que o Conselho de Administra??o aprovou um processo eleitoral alterado para o ano 2020 (ver https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )]. Isto est? pronto para as elei??es que ser?o realizadas em linha pela primeira vez na hist?ria da AFRINIC. O Processo Eleitoral revisto de 2020 foi aprovado nos termos do Artigo 13.2 dos Estatutos e substituir? todos os processos eleitorais e directrizes anteriores, excepcionalmente para o ano 2020 devido ? pandemia da COVID-19. O documento cont?m pormenores importantes sobre a forma como as elei??es ser?o conduzidas, as exig?ncias dos eleitores e o plano temporal. Mais detalhes sobre as modalidades de realiza??o das elei??es ser?o em breve partilhados pelo CEO. Agradecemos a vossa paci?ncia e compreens?o e aguardamos com expectativa o vosso apoio e coopera??o. Assinado Dr. Christian D. Bope Presidente, Conselho de Administra??o da AFRINIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Wed Aug 5 18:00:13 2020 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 11:00:13 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AIS'20 and AGMM In-Reply-To: <3D0561B0-2C2D-4EE1-BD66-5197A91A2C40@afrinic.net> References: <3D0561B0-2C2D-4EE1-BD66-5197A91A2C40@afrinic.net> Message-ID: This is excellent, IMHO. However, I must ask, why does the procedure not link to the online registration required under 5.1.b? Is this a registration separate from the. AIS registration, or, does electronic registration for AIS satisfy the requirement? If it is separate, then where and how do we complete that registration? Also, the timing specified in 5.3 is unclear. 5.3.a.b. states ?Starts at least 14 days before the AGMM date and ends on the Election Date? It does not specify what time and/or time zone will be applied to the ending. 5.3.b.b. states ?Starts at least 3 days before and ends on the Election Date? Similarly, it also fails to mention a time and/or timezone. Further, the timeline does not specify a time when details of the online voting system will be released to members. I would suggest that adding this information would be useful. Owen > On Aug 5, 2020, at 10:22 , AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] > > Dear AFRINIC Community members, > > AFRINIC has relied on its core values - community-driven, operational excellence, passion and innovation - to adapt to and manage the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic.Unfortunately, uncertainty still prevails with regard to the opening of international borders and the containment of the pandemic, which represent a major obstacle for AFRINIC to hold its AGMM and related elections face-to-face as originally planned and to revert to virtual ones during the AIS?20 on 14 - 18 September 2020. > After a careful assessment of the situation and all the comments received from community members with regard to the holding of non-members elections, and the capacities of the company, the Board has decided to proceed with holding the 2020 elections online. > > We are pleased to inform you that the Board has approved an amended Election Process for the year 2020 (see https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] This is in readiness for the elections which will be conducted online for the first time in AFRINIC?s history. The revised Election Process 2020 was approved as per Article 13.2 of the Bylaws and will supersede all previous election processes and guidelines, exceptionally for the year 2020 because of the COVID-19 pandemic. > > The document contains important details on how the elections will be conducted, voter requirements and the time plan. Further details regarding the modalities of holding the elections will be shared by the CEO shortly. > > We thank you for your patience and understanding and look forward to your support and cooperation. > > Signed > > Dr. Christian D. Bope > Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors > > ?????????????. > > AIS?20 et AGMM > > Chers membres de la Communaut? AFRINIC, > > AFRINIC s'est appuy?e sur ses valeurs fondamentales - la communaut?, l'excellence op?rationnelle, la passion et l'innovation - pour s'adapter et g?rer les d?fis de la pand?mie COVID-19. Malheureusement, l'incertitude r?gne toujours en ce qui concerne l'ouverture des fronti?res internationales et le combat contre la pand?mie, qui repr?sentent un obstacle majeur pour AFRINIC de tenir son AGMM et les ?lections connexes en face-?-face comme pr?vu initialement et de passer ? des ?lections virtuelles pendant l'AIS'20 qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. > > Apr?s une ?valuation minutieuse de la situation et de tous les commentaires re?us des membres de la communaut? en ce qui concerne la tenue des ?lections des non-membres, et les capacit?s de notre soci?t?, le Conseil d'administration a d?cid? de proc?der ? la tenue des ?lections de 2020 en ligne. > > Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que le Conseil d'administration a approuv? un processus d'?lection modifi? pour l'ann?e 2020 (voir https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] Ceci est en vue des ?lections qui se d?rouleront pour la premi?re fois en ligne dans l'histoire de l'AFRINIC. Le processus ?lectoral r?vis? 2020 a ?t? approuv? conform?ment ? l'article 13.2 des statuts et remplacera tous les processus et directives ?lectoraux pr?c?dents, exceptionnellement pour l'ann?e 2020 en raison de la pand?mie COVID-19. > > Le document contient des d?tails importants sur le d?roulement des ?lections, les exigences des ?lecteurs et le calendrier. D'autres d?tails concernant les modalit?s de tenue des ?lections seront communiqu?s prochainement par le directeur g?n?ral. > > Nous vous remercions de votre patience et de votre compr?hension et nous nous r?jouissons de votre soutien et de votre coop?ration. > > > Sign? > > > Dr Christian D. Bope > Pr?sident du conseil d'administration de l?AFRINIC > > ?????? > > AIS'20 ? AGMM > > ?????? ????? ????? AFRINIC ? > > ????? AFRINIC ??? ???? ???????? - ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ????????? - ?????? ?? ?????? ???? COVID-19 ????????. ?????? ? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? AFRINIC ???? AGMM ??????????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ???? AIS'20 ?? 14 - 18 ?????? 2020. > > ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? 2020 ??? ????????. > > ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ???? 2020 (???? https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] ??? ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ????? AFRINIC. ??? ???????? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? 2020 ????? ?????? 13.2 ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???? 2020 ???? ????? COVID-19. > > ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????. ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ??????????. > > ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????. > > > ???? > > > > ????? ???????? ??? > ???? ???? ????? AFRINIC > > > ???????????? > > > AIS'20 e AGMM > > Caros membros da Comunidade AFRINIC, > > A AFRINIC tem confiado nos seus valores fundamentais - comunidade, excel?ncia operacional, paix?o e inova??o - para se adaptar e gerir os desafios da pandemia da COVID-19. Infelizmente, a incerteza ainda prevalece no que diz respeito ? abertura das fronteiras internacionais e ? conten??o da pandemia, que representam um grande obst?culo para a AFRINIC realizar a sua AGMM e as elei??es relacionadas com a mesma, face a face, tal como originalmente planeado, e para voltar ?s virtuais durante a AIS'20, de 14 a 18 de Setembro de 2020. > > Ap?s uma avalia??o cuidadosa da situa??o e de todos os coment?rios recebidos de membros da comunidade relativamente ? realiza??o de elei??es para n?o-membros, e das capacidades da empresa, o Conselho de Administra??o decidiu proceder ? realiza??o das elei??es de 2020 em linha. > > Temos o prazer de informar que o Conselho de Administra??o aprovou um processo eleitoral alterado para o ano 2020 (ver https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )]. Isto est? pronto para as elei??es que ser?o realizadas em linha pela primeira vez na hist?ria da AFRINIC. O Processo Eleitoral revisto de 2020 foi aprovado nos termos do Artigo 13.2 dos Estatutos e substituir? todos os processos eleitorais e directrizes anteriores, excepcionalmente para o ano 2020 devido ? pandemia da COVID-19. > > O documento cont?m pormenores importantes sobre a forma como as elei??es ser?o conduzidas, as exig?ncias dos eleitores e o plano temporal. Mais detalhes sobre as modalidades de realiza??o das elei??es ser?o em breve partilhados pelo CEO. > > Agradecemos a vossa paci?ncia e compreens?o e aguardamos com expectativa o vosso apoio e coopera??o. > > > Assinado > > > > Dr. Christian D. Bope > Presidente, Conselho de Administra??o da AFRINIC > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From comms at afrinic.net Wed Aug 5 19:14:37 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 23:14:37 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AIS'20 registration opens and election details Message-ID: <3379CD09-2598-4916-97B6-291E3B797EEE@afrinic.net> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear colleagues, We trust you are well and keeping safe amidst the challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic. As communicated earlier, we have been watching and analysing the effects of the pandemic. Accordingly, a physical meeting is not a possibility in the present circumstances and as you are aware, we are holding the Africa Internet Summit 2020 (AIS?20) meeting virtually on 14-18 September 2020. We are now pleased to inform you that registration is now open for the AIS'20 Online meeting. You can now register online at: https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/?option=com_afmeeting&view=register The Meeting platform is being developed by Meetecho. There is no software to install as Meetecho can be used directly in any device with a WebRTC-enabled web browser. A link and an access token will be shared with you later to join the online meeting. The draft agenda is available at https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme and will be updated soon to indicate the sessions and timings. While registering you may choose to subscribe to the ais20 at internetsummit.africa mailing list to receive updates about the event and engage with meeting participants via the mailing list ais20-discuss at internetsummit.africa Elections On 16 July 2020, we sought your views on how AFRINIC can best proceed with the election to fill the vacant seat of one PDP co-chair. We wish to thank you for the feedback received on the subject matter. We have taken on board your views and proposals, and carefully considered your concerns. On 23 July 2020, a summary of the feedback was made available to the AFRINIC Community with the following conclusions: a) Extend the tenure of the co-chair and to hold the PDP co-chair election at the next face-to-face Public Policy Meeting; b) Extend the tenure of the co-chair and to hold an online PDP co-chair election within the next 12 months; c) Hold the PDP co-chair election during the Public Policy Meeting in September 2020. Extension of the tenure of the PDP co-chair An extension of the terms of the Co-Chair, will result in having the 2 Co-Chairs? terms to expire at the same time during the next face to face Public Policy Meeting in 2021, if any. Such a situation while actionable is not recommended for continuity purposes and the policy process. It is good practice to have always one experienced Co-Chair in office at any one time. Holding of an online non-members election (PDP and NRO ASO AC Representative) We should also note that AFRINIC is and should be at the forefront of the use of the technology in the execution of various decisions. Besides, various organisations, including the other Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), have successfully set up and run online meetings and elections. We believe that we also have the resources, capacity and resolve to host a successful online AIS?20 meeting and run the elections. We have in the past weeks been conducting technical analyses of tools and trials as we prepare to hold the meeting and elections. We are confident that our efforts are not in vain and we will be successful in our endeavours. We will keep you updated on the progress and involved in the testing phases of the online election platform. As mentioned, we have been working on the ways and modalities of conducting a credible election. The integrity of the elections is fundamentally important to us and the community. Rest assured that we are looking into implementing a robust system that has been flawlessly used in the past by many other organisations to ensure this is achieved.. We have also noted a recent rise in the number of new subscriptions to the RPD list for the month of July 2020 compared to the average rate of new subscriptions in previous months. Thus having benchmarked with a sister RIR, we have resolved that only those who registered at least six months will be eligible to vote. This will help maintain the credibility and integrity of the electoral process. Thank you and we look forward to your continued support as we seek to build as a stronger, credible and innovative AFRINIC. We remain at your disposal for any further information that you may require and look forward to seeing you soon. AFRINIC en Avant! Kind Regards Eddy Kayihura ??????????????????????????????????.. Chers coll?gues, Nous esp?rons que vous vous portez bien et que vous ?tes en s?curit? malgr? les contraintes pos?es par la pand?mie de COVID-19. Comme nous l'avons d?j? indiqu?, nous avons observ? et analys? les effets de la pand?mie. En cons?quence, une r?union physique n'est pas envisageable dans les circonstances actuelles et, comme vous le savez, nous organisons la r?union du Sommet Africain de l'Internet 2020 (AIS'20) virtuellement du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. Nous avons maintenant le plaisir de vous informer que les inscriptions sont ouvertes pour la r?union en ligne de l'AIS?20. Vous pouvez d?sormais vous inscrire en ligne ? l'adresse suivante : https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/?option=com_afmeeting&view=register La plateforme de la r?union est d?velopp?e par Meetecho. Il n'y a pas de logiciel ? installer car Meetecho peut ?tre utilis? directement dans tout navigateur Web compatible WebRTC. Un lien et un jeton d'acc?s vous seront communiqu?s ult?rieurement pour vous permettre de participer en ligne ? la r?union. Le programme provisoire est disponible ? https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme et sera bient?t mis ? jour pour indiquer les sessions et les horaires. Lors de votre inscription, vous pouvez choisir de vous inscrire ? la liste de diffusion ais20 at internetsummit.africa pour recevoir des mises ? jour sur l'?v?nement et aussi communiquer avec les participants ? la r?union ? travers la liste de diffusion ais20-discuss at internetsummit.africa ?lections Le 16 juillet 2020, nous avons demand? votre avis sur la meilleure fa?on de proc?der pour AFRINIC pour la tenue des elections afin de pourvoir le si?ge vacant d'un copr?sident du PDP. Nous souhaitons vous remercier pour les commentaires re?us sur ce sujet. Nous avons pris en compte vos points de vue et vos propositions, et avons examin? attentivement vos pr?occupations. Le 23 juillet 2020, un r?sum? des commentaires a ?t? mis ? la disposition de la Communaut? AFRINIC avec les conclusions suivantes : a) Prolongation du mandat du copr?sident et l?organisation des ?lections pour le si?ge du copr?sident du PDP lors de la prochaine r?union de politique publique en face-?-face ; b) Prolongation du mandat du copr?sident et l'organisation des ?lections en ligne pour le si?ge du copr?sident du PDP dans les 12 prochains mois ; c) Organisation des ?lections pour le si?ge du copr?sident du PDP lors de la r?union de politique publique en septembre 2020. Prolongation du mandat de la copr?sidence du PDP Une prolongation du mandat des copr?sidents aura pour cons?quence que les mandats des deux copr?sidents expireront en m?me temps lors de la prochaine r?union de politique publique en 2021, le cas ?ch?ant. Une telle situation, bien qu'elle soit r?alisable, n'est pas recommand?e pour des raisons de continuit? et de processus politique. Il est de bonne pratique d'avoir toujours un copr?sident exp?riment? en fonction ? tout moment. Tenue d'une ?lection en ligne pour les non-membres (repr?sentants du PDP et du NRO ASO AC) Il convient ?galement de noter qu'AFRINIC est et devrait ?tre ? la pointe de l'utilisation de la technologie dans la mise en ex?cution de diverses d?cisions. En outre, plusieurs organisations, dont les autres registres Internet r?gionaux (RIR), ont mis en place et ont organis? avec succ?s des r?unions et des ?lections en ligne. Nous pensons que nous avons ?galement les ressources, la capacit? et la d?termination n?cessaires pour organiser avec succ?s une r?union en ligne de l'AIS'20 et pour mener ? bien les ?lections. Au cours des derni?res semaines, nous avons effectu? des analyses techniques des outils et des essais alors que nous nous pr?parons ? organiser la r?union et les ?lections. Nous sommes convaincus que nos efforts ne sont pas vains et que nous r?ussirons ? les mener ? bien. Nous vous tiendrons au courant des progr?s et vous impliquerons dans les phases de test de la plate-forme ?lectorale en ligne. Comme nous l'avons mentionn?, nous avons travaill? sur les moyens et les modalit?s de la conduite d'une ?lection cr?dible. L'int?grit? des ?lections est d'une importance fondamentale pour nous et pour la communaut?. Soyez assur?s que nous envisageons de mettre en ?uvre un syst?me solide qui a ?t? utilis? sans faille dans le pass? par de nombreuses autres organisations pour garantir cette int?grit?. Nous avons ?galement not? une augmentation r?cente du nombre de nouvelles inscriptions sur la liste du RPD pour le mois de juillet 2020 par rapport au taux moyen des nouvelles inscriptions des mois pr?c?dents. Ainsi, apr?s avoir fait une comparaison avec une RIR s?ur, nous avons d?cid? que seuls ceux qui se sont inscrits pour une p?riode d?au moins six mois pourront voter. Cela contribuera ? maintenir la cr?dibilit? et l'int?grit? du processus ?lectoral. Nous vous remercions et nous comptons sur votre soutien continu alors que nous cherchons ? construire une AFRINIC plus forte, plus cr?dible et plus innovante. Nous restons ? votre disposition pour toute information compl?mentaire que vous pourriez souhaiter et esp?rons vous voir bient?t. AFRINIC en Avant ! Cordialement Eddy Kayihura ?????????????????????.. ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ?????? ????? COVID-19. ???? ????? ?? ??? ? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???????. ?????? ???? ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?????? ? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ???????? ???????? 2020 (AIS?20) ??????? ???? 14 ? 18 ?????? 2020. ?????? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? AIS'20 ??? ????????. ????? ???? ??????? ??? ???????? ???: https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/?option=com_afmeeting&view=register ??? ????? ???? ???????? ?????? Meetecho. ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ??????? Meetecho ?????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? WebRTC. ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????? ??? ????????. ????? ???? ??????? ???? ?? https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????. ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ??????? ???????? ais20 at internetsummit.africa ????? ??????? ??? ????? ???????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ais20-discuss at internetsummit.africa ???????? ?? 16 ????? 2020 ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? AFRINIC ????? ????? ???? ?? ?????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? PDP. ??? ?? ????? ??? ????????? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ???????. ??? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ????????? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????. ?? 23 ????? 2020 ? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? AFRINIC ?? ??????????? ???????: ?) ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? PDP ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ? ?) ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? PDP ?? ???? ??? 12 ????? ??????? ? ?) ????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? PDP ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? 2020. ????? ???? ?????? ??????? PDP ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? 2021 ? ?? ???. ?? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ???????. ?? ????????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ???. ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??? ???????? (PDP ????? NRO ASO AC) ??? ?? ????? ????? ?? AFRINIC ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ??????????? ?? ????? ???????? ????????. ??? ???? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?????? (RIRs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aros colegas, Confiamos que est? bem e se mant?m seguro no meio dos desafios apresentados pela pandemia da COVID-19. Como comunicado anteriormente, temos estado a observar e a analisar os efeitos da pandemia. Consequentemente, uma reuni?o f?sica n?o ? uma possibilidade nas actuais circunst?ncias e, como sabe, estamos a realizar a Cimeira Africana da Internet 2020 (AIS'20), praticamente a 14-18 de Setembro de 2020. Temos agora o prazer de informar que est? aberta a inscri??o para a reuni?o on-line da AIS'20. Pode agora registar-se em linha em: https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/?option=com_afmeeting&view=register A plataforma do Encontro est? a ser desenvolvida por Meetecho. N?o existe software a instalar, uma vez que Meetecho pode ser utilizado directamente em qualquer dispositivo com um navegador WebRTC activado. Um link e uma ficha de acesso ser?o partilhados consigo mais tarde para se juntar ? reuni?o online. O projecto de agenda est? dispon?vel em https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme e ser? actualizado em breve para indicar as sess?es e os hor?rios. Ao inscrever-se, poder? optar por subscrever a lista de correio ais20 at internetsummit.africa para receber actualiza??es sobre o evento e envolver-se com os participantes na reuni?o atrav?s da lista de correio ais20-discuss at internetsummit.africa. Elei??es A 16 de Julho de 2020, procur?mos a vossa opini?o sobre a melhor forma de AFRINIC proceder com a elei??o para preencher o lugar vago de um co-presidente do PDP. Gostar?amos de lhe agradecer o feedback recebido sobre o assunto. Tom?mos em considera??o as suas opini?es e propostas, e consider?mos cuidadosamente as suas preocupa??es. Em 23 de Julho de 2020, foi disponibilizado ? Comunidade AFRINIC um resumo do feedback com as seguintes conclus?es: a) Prorrogar o mandato do co-presidente e realizar a elei??o do co-presidente do PDP na pr?xima Reuni?o de Pol?ticas P?blicas cara a cara; b) Prorrogar o mandato do co-presidente e realizar uma elei??o on-line do co-presidente do PDP dentro dos pr?ximos 12 meses; c) Realizar a elei??o da co-presid?ncia do PDP durante a Reuni?o de Pol?ticas P?blicas em Setembro de 2020. Prorroga??o do mandato da co-presid?ncia do PDP Uma extens?o dos termos da Co-Presid?ncia, resultar? em ter os 2 termos dos Co-Presidentes a expirar ao mesmo tempo durante a pr?xima Reuni?o de Pol?ticas P?blicas face a face em 2021, se houver. Tal situa??o, embora n?o seja recomend?vel para efeitos de continuidade e do processo pol?tico, n?o ? pass?vel de ac??o. ? uma boa pr?tica ter sempre um co-presidente experiente no cargo em qualquer altura. Realiza??o de uma elei??o online de n?o-membros (PDP e Representante NRO ASO AC) Devemos tamb?m notar que a AFRINIC est? e deve estar na vanguarda da utiliza??o da tecnologia na execu??o de v?rias decis?es. Al?m disso, v?rias organiza??es, incluindo os outros Registos Regionais da Internet (RIR), criaram e realizam com sucesso reuni?es e elei??es em linha. Acreditamos que tamb?m temos os recursos, a capacidade e a determina??o para acolher uma reuni?o AIS'20 em linha bem sucedida e realizar as elei??es. Nas ?ltimas semanas temos vindo a realizar an?lises t?cnicas de ferramentas e julgamentos enquanto nos preparamos para realizar a reuni?o e as elei??es. Estamos confiantes de que os nossos esfor?os n?o s?o em v?o e que seremos bem sucedidos nos nossos esfor?os. Manter-vos-emos informados sobre os progressos e envolvidos nas fases de teste da plataforma eleitoral online. Como mencionado, temos estado a trabalhar sobre as formas e modalidades de conduzir uma elei??o cred?vel. A integridade das elei??es ? fundamentalmente importante para n?s e para a comunidade. Estejam certos de que estamos a estudar a implementa??o de um sistema robusto que tem sido utilizado sem falhas no passado por muitas outras organiza??es para garantir que tal seja alcan?ado... Not?mos tamb?m um aumento recente do n?mero de novas inscri??es na lista RPD para o m?s de Julho de 2020 em compara??o com a taxa m?dia de novas inscri??es nos meses anteriores. Assim, tendo feito um benchmarking com um RIR irm?o, resolvemos que apenas aqueles que se registaram pelo menos seis meses ser?o eleg?veis para votar. Isto ajudar? a manter a credibilidade e integridade do processo eleitoral. Obrigado e aguardamos com expectativa a continua??o do vosso apoio enquanto procuramos construir como um AFRINIC mais forte, cred?vel e inovador. Permanecemos ? sua disposi??o para qualquer informa??o adicional que possa necessitar e esperamos v?-lo em breve. AFRINIC en Avant! Cordiais cumprimentos Eddy Kayihura -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guylaine at afrinic.net Thu Aug 6 14:07:04 2020 From: guylaine at afrinic.net (Guylaine Laiyra) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 18:07:04 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AIS'20 and AGMM In-Reply-To: References: <3D0561B0-2C2D-4EE1-BD66-5197A91A2C40@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <1e87e501-a871-ebcc-143b-c759f9fe5bec@afrinic.net> Dear Mr DeLong, Thank you for your message.? We appreciate any feedback and is pleased to provide further information to your queries. The registration for the election of PDP and NRO ASO AC is indeed a separate exercise from that of the electronic registration for AIS.?A general note has been added on the AIS'20 Registration portal stating the following : With regards to the timing under Section 5.3, the election period for PDP and NRO ASO AC will start on 14-Sep-20 at 20:00 UTC and close on the election day being 16-Sep-20 at such time to be communicated during the meeting. You may find this information under the Election Timeline. The 14 days before the AGMM as per published election timeline starts on the 05-Sep-20 at 20.00 UTC and end on the Election Date on 18-Sep-20 at such time to be communicated during the meeting. We will insert the timezone information under the Election Timeline as per your suggestion. The online voting system is due to start 14 days before the AGMM on the 05-Sep 2020 at 20.00 UTC and will end on the day of the election on 18-Sep-20 at such time to be communicated during the meeting.? We will also insert the timezone information under the Election Timeline as per your suggestion. We thank you for your usual cooperation and remain at your disposal for any further information that you may require. Yours sincerely, Guylaine Laiyra Chair Election Committee On 05/08/2020 22:00, Owen DeLong wrote: > This is excellent, IMHO. > > However, I must ask, why does the procedure not link to the online > registration required under 5.1.b? > > Is this a registration separate from the. AIS registration, or, does > electronic registration for AIS satisfy the requirement? > If it is separate, then where and how do we complete that registration? > > Also, the timing specified in 5.3 is unclear. > 5.3.a.b. states ?Starts at least 14 days before the AGMM date and ends > on the Election Date? > It does not specify what time and/or time zone will be applied to the > ending. > 5.3.b.b. states ?Starts at least 3 days before and ends on the > Election Date? > Similarly, it also fails to mention a time and/or timezone. > > Further, the timeline does not specify a time when details of the > online voting system will be released > to members. > > I would suggest that adding this information would be useful. > > Owen > > >> On Aug 5, 2020, at 10:22 , AFRINIC Communication > > wrote: >> >> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] >> >> Dear AFRINIC Community members,? >> >> AFRINIC has relied on its core values - community-driven, operational >> excellence, passion and?innovation - to adapt to and manage the >> challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic.Unfortunately,?uncertainty still >> prevails with regard to the opening of international borders and the >> containment of the?pandemic, which represent a major obstacle for >> AFRINIC to hold its AGMM and related elections face-to-face as >> originally planned and to revert to virtual ones during the AIS?20 on >> 14 - 18 September 2020. >> After a careful assessment of the situation and all the comments >> received from community members with?regard to the holding of >> non-members elections, and the capacities of the company,??the Board >> has?decided to proceed with holding the 2020 elections online.? >> >> We are pleased to inform you that the Board has approved an amended >> Election Process for the year?2020 >> (see?https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020)] This is in >> readiness for the elections which will?be conducted online for the >> first time in AFRINIC?s history. The revised Election Process 2020 >> was?approved as per Article 13.2 of the Bylaws and will supersede all >> previous election processes and?guidelines, exceptionally for the >> year 2020 because of the COVID-19 pandemic. >> >> The document contains important details on how the elections will be >> conducted, voter requirements and?the time plan. Further details >> regarding the modalities of holding the elections will be shared by >> the CEO?shortly. >> >> We thank you for your patience and understanding and look forward to >> your support and cooperation. >> ? >> Signed >> ? >> Dr. Christian D. Bope >> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors >> >> ?????????????. >> >> AIS?20 et AGMM? >> >> Chers membres de la Communaut? AFRINIC,? >> >> AFRINIC s'est appuy?e sur ses valeurs fondamentales - la communaut?, >> l'excellence op?rationnelle, la passion et l'innovation - >> pour?s'adapter et g?rer les d?fis de la pand?mie COVID-19. >> Malheureusement, l'incertitude r?gne toujours en ce qui concerne >> l'ouverture?des fronti?res internationales et le combat contre la >> pand?mie, qui repr?sentent un obstacle majeur pour AFRINIC de tenir >> son AGMM?et les ?lections connexes en face-?-face comme pr?vu >> initialement et de passer ? des ?lections virtuelles pendant l'AIS'20 >> qui se?tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. >> >> Apr?s une ?valuation minutieuse de la situation et de tous les >> commentaires re?us des membres de la communaut? en ce qui?concerne la >> tenue des ?lections des non-membres, et les capacit?s de notre >> soci?t?, le Conseil d'administration a d?cid? de proc?der ??la tenue >> des ?lections de 2020 en ligne.? >> >> Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que le Conseil >> d'administration a approuv? un processus d'?lection modifi? pour >> l'ann?e 2020?(voir?https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020)] >> Ceci est en vue des ?lections qui se d?rouleront ?pour la premi?re >> fois en ligne?dans l'histoire de l'AFRINIC. Le processus ?lectoral >> r?vis? 2020 a ?t? approuv? conform?ment ? l'article 13.2 des statuts >> et remplacera?tous les processus et directives ?lectoraux pr?c?dents, >> exceptionnellement pour l'ann?e 2020 en raison de la pand?mie COVID-19. >> >> Le document contient des d?tails importants sur le d?roulement des >> ?lections, les exigences des ?lecteurs et le calendrier. >> D'autres?d?tails concernant les modalit?s de tenue des ?lections >> seront communiqu?s prochainement par le directeur g?n?ral. >> >> Nous vous remercions de votre patience et de votre compr?hension et >> nous nous r?jouissons de votre soutien et de votre coop?ration. >> >> ? >> Sign? >> >> >> Dr Christian D. Bope >> Pr?sident du conseil d'administration de l?AFRINIC >> >> ?????? >> >> AIS'20???AGMM >> >> ?????? ????? ??????AFRINIC?? >> >> ??????AFRINIC???? ???? ???????? - ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? >> ????????? - ?????? ?? ?????? ?????COVID-19?????????. ?????? ? ???? >> ???? ???? ?????? ?????AFRINIC??????AGMM???????????? ??? ????? ???? >> ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? >> ?????AIS'20????14?-?18????????2020. >> >> ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? >> ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? >> ????? ?? ????? ?????????2020???? ????????. >> >> ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???????? ????? >> ?????2020?(?????https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020)] ??? >> ???? ??????????????? ????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ??????AFRINIC. >> ??? ???????? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????2020?????? ???????13.2??? >> ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ????????????????? ????????? ??????? >> ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ?????2020????? ??????COVID-19. >> >> ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ???????? >> ???????? ?????? ???????. ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? >> ???????? ???? ????? ????????????????. >> >> ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????. >> >> ? >> ???? >> >> ? >> >> ????? ???????? ??? >> ???? ???? ??????AFRINIC >> >> >> ???????????? >> >> >> AIS'20 e AGMM >> >> Caros membros da Comunidade AFRINIC,? >> >> A AFRINIC tem confiado nos seus valores fundamentais - comunidade, >> excel?ncia operacional, paix?o e inova??o - para se adaptar e?gerir >> os desafios da pandemia da COVID-19. Infelizmente, a incerteza ainda >> prevalece no que diz respeito ? abertura das >> fronteiras?internacionais e ? conten??o da pandemia, que representam >> um grande obst?culo para a AFRINIC realizar a sua AGMM e as >> elei??es?relacionadas com a mesma, face a face, tal como >> originalmente planeado, e para voltar ?s virtuais durante a AIS'20, >> de 14 a 18 de?Setembro de 2020. >> >> Ap?s uma avalia??o cuidadosa da situa??o e de todos os coment?rios >> recebidos de membros da comunidade relativamente ??realiza??o de >> elei??es para n?o-membros, e das capacidades da empresa, o Conselho >> de Administra??o decidiu proceder ??realiza??o das elei??es de 2020 >> em linha.? >> >> Temos o prazer de informar que o Conselho de Administra??o aprovou um >> processo eleitoral alterado para o ano 2020 >> (ver?https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020)]. Isto est? >> pronto para as elei??es que ser?o realizadas em linha pela primeira >> vez na?hist?ria da AFRINIC. O Processo Eleitoral revisto de 2020 foi >> aprovado nos termos do Artigo 13.2 dos Estatutos e substituir? todos >> os?processos eleitorais e directrizes anteriores, excepcionalmente >> para o ano 2020 devido ? pandemia da COVID-19. >> >> O documento cont?m pormenores importantes sobre a forma como as >> elei??es ser?o conduzidas, as exig?ncias dos eleitores e o?plano >> temporal. Mais detalhes sobre as modalidades de realiza??o das >> elei??es ser?o em breve partilhados pelo CEO. >> >> Agradecemos a vossa paci?ncia e compreens?o e aguardamos com >> expectativa o vosso apoio e coopera??o. >> >> ? >> Assinado >> >> ? >> >> Dr. Christian D. 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URL: From owen at delong.com Thu Aug 6 22:36:51 2020 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 15:36:51 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AIS'20 and AGMM In-Reply-To: <1e87e501-a871-ebcc-143b-c759f9fe5bec@afrinic.net> References: <3D0561B0-2C2D-4EE1-BD66-5197A91A2C40@afrinic.net> <1e87e501-a871-ebcc-143b-c759f9fe5bec@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <0B572EAB-D0A1-4B23-9063-7CCE30A900C7@delong.com> Thank you for your timely response. Owen > On Aug 6, 2020, at 07:07 , Guylaine Laiyra wrote: > > Dear Mr DeLong, > > Thank you for your message. We appreciate any feedback and is pleased to provide further information to your queries. > > The registration for the election of PDP and NRO ASO AC is indeed a separate exercise from that of the electronic registration for AIS. A general note has been added on the AIS'20 Registration portal stating the following : > > Registration will allow you to attend all sessions of AIS'20. However, please note that successful registration for the AIS'20 meeting does not confer an automatic voting right to either the PDP Co-Chair or the NRO ASO AC election. The registration for elections and eligibility to vote in the PDP Co-Chair and NRO ASO AC elections will start on 24 August 2020. We will provide further details in due course.> > > With regards to the timing under Section 5.3, the election period for PDP and NRO ASO AC will start on 14-Sep-20 at 20:00 UTC and close on the election day being 16-Sep-20 at such time to be communicated during the meeting. You may find this information under the Election Timeline. > > The 14 days before the AGMM as per published election timeline starts on the 05-Sep-20 at 20.00 UTC and end on the Election Date on 18-Sep-20 at such time to be communicated during the meeting. We will insert the timezone information under the Election Timeline as per your suggestion. > > The online voting system is due to start 14 days before the AGMM on the 05-Sep 2020 at 20.00 UTC and will end on the day of the election on 18-Sep-20 at such time to be communicated during the meeting. We will also insert the timezone information under the Election Timeline as per your suggestion. > > We thank you for your usual cooperation and remain at your disposal for any further information that you may require. > > Yours sincerely, > > Guylaine Laiyra > > Chair > > Election Committee > > On 05/08/2020 22:00, Owen DeLong wrote: >> This is excellent, IMHO. >> >> However, I must ask, why does the procedure not link to the online registration required under 5.1.b? >> >> Is this a registration separate from the. AIS registration, or, does electronic registration for AIS satisfy the requirement? >> If it is separate, then where and how do we complete that registration? >> >> Also, the timing specified in 5.3 is unclear. >> 5.3.a.b. states ?Starts at least 14 days before the AGMM date and ends on the Election Date? >> It does not specify what time and/or time zone will be applied to the ending. >> 5.3.b.b. states ?Starts at least 3 days before and ends on the Election Date? >> Similarly, it also fails to mention a time and/or timezone. >> >> Further, the timeline does not specify a time when details of the online voting system will be released >> to members. >> >> I would suggest that adding this information would be useful. >> >> Owen >> >> >>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 10:22 , AFRINIC Communication > wrote: >>> >>> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] >>> >>> Dear AFRINIC Community members, >>> >>> AFRINIC has relied on its core values - community-driven, operational excellence, passion and innovation - to adapt to and manage the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic.Unfortunately, uncertainty still prevails with regard to the opening of international borders and the containment of the pandemic, which represent a major obstacle for AFRINIC to hold its AGMM and related elections face-to-face as originally planned and to revert to virtual ones during the AIS?20 on 14 - 18 September 2020. >>> After a careful assessment of the situation and all the comments received from community members with regard to the holding of non-members elections, and the capacities of the company, the Board has decided to proceed with holding the 2020 elections online. >>> >>> We are pleased to inform you that the Board has approved an amended Election Process for the year 2020 (see https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] This is in readiness for the elections which will be conducted online for the first time in AFRINIC?s history. The revised Election Process 2020 was approved as per Article 13.2 of the Bylaws and will supersede all previous election processes and guidelines, exceptionally for the year 2020 because of the COVID-19 pandemic. >>> >>> The document contains important details on how the elections will be conducted, voter requirements and the time plan. Further details regarding the modalities of holding the elections will be shared by the CEO shortly. >>> >>> We thank you for your patience and understanding and look forward to your support and cooperation. >>> >>> Signed >>> >>> Dr. Christian D. Bope >>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors >>> >>> ?????????????. >>> >>> AIS?20 et AGMM >>> >>> Chers membres de la Communaut? AFRINIC, >>> >>> AFRINIC s'est appuy?e sur ses valeurs fondamentales - la communaut?, l'excellence op?rationnelle, la passion et l'innovation - pour s'adapter et g?rer les d?fis de la pand?mie COVID-19. Malheureusement, l'incertitude r?gne toujours en ce qui concerne l'ouverture des fronti?res internationales et le combat contre la pand?mie, qui repr?sentent un obstacle majeur pour AFRINIC de tenir son AGMM et les ?lections connexes en face-?-face comme pr?vu initialement et de passer ? des ?lections virtuelles pendant l'AIS'20 qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. >>> >>> Apr?s une ?valuation minutieuse de la situation et de tous les commentaires re?us des membres de la communaut? en ce qui concerne la tenue des ?lections des non-membres, et les capacit?s de notre soci?t?, le Conseil d'administration a d?cid? de proc?der ? la tenue des ?lections de 2020 en ligne. >>> >>> Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que le Conseil d'administration a approuv? un processus d'?lection modifi? pour l'ann?e 2020 (voir https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] Ceci est en vue des ?lections qui se d?rouleront pour la premi?re fois en ligne dans l'histoire de l'AFRINIC. Le processus ?lectoral r?vis? 2020 a ?t? approuv? conform?ment ? l'article 13.2 des statuts et remplacera tous les processus et directives ?lectoraux pr?c?dents, exceptionnellement pour l'ann?e 2020 en raison de la pand?mie COVID-19. >>> >>> Le document contient des d?tails importants sur le d?roulement des ?lections, les exigences des ?lecteurs et le calendrier. D'autres d?tails concernant les modalit?s de tenue des ?lections seront communiqu?s prochainement par le directeur g?n?ral. >>> >>> Nous vous remercions de votre patience et de votre compr?hension et nous nous r?jouissons de votre soutien et de votre coop?ration. >>> >>> >>> Sign? >>> >>> >>> Dr Christian D. Bope >>> Pr?sident du conseil d'administration de l?AFRINIC >>> >>> ?????? >>> >>> AIS'20 ? AGMM >>> >>> ?????? ????? ????? AFRINIC ? >>> >>> ????? AFRINIC ??? ???? ???????? - ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ????????? - ?????? ?? ?????? ???? COVID-19 ????????. ?????? ? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? AFRINIC ???? AGMM ??????????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ???? AIS'20 ?? 14 - 18 ?????? 2020. >>> >>> ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? 2020 ??? ????????. >>> >>> ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???????? ????? ???? 2020 (???? https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )] ??? ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ????? AFRINIC. ??? ???????? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? 2020 ????? ?????? 13.2 ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ???? 2020 ???? ????? COVID-19. >>> >>> ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????. ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ??????????. >>> >>> ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????. >>> >>> >>> ???? >>> >>> >>> >>> ????? ???????? ??? >>> ???? ???? ????? AFRINIC >>> >>> >>> ???????????? >>> >>> >>> AIS'20 e AGMM >>> >>> Caros membros da Comunidade AFRINIC, >>> >>> A AFRINIC tem confiado nos seus valores fundamentais - comunidade, excel?ncia operacional, paix?o e inova??o - para se adaptar e gerir os desafios da pandemia da COVID-19. Infelizmente, a incerteza ainda prevalece no que diz respeito ? abertura das fronteiras internacionais e ? conten??o da pandemia, que representam um grande obst?culo para a AFRINIC realizar a sua AGMM e as elei??es relacionadas com a mesma, face a face, tal como originalmente planeado, e para voltar ?s virtuais durante a AIS'20, de 14 a 18 de Setembro de 2020. >>> >>> Ap?s uma avalia??o cuidadosa da situa??o e de todos os coment?rios recebidos de membros da comunidade relativamente ? realiza??o de elei??es para n?o-membros, e das capacidades da empresa, o Conselho de Administra??o decidiu proceder ? realiza??o das elei??es de 2020 em linha. >>> >>> Temos o prazer de informar que o Conselho de Administra??o aprovou um processo eleitoral alterado para o ano 2020 (ver https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2020 )]. Isto est? pronto para as elei??es que ser?o realizadas em linha pela primeira vez na hist?ria da AFRINIC. O Processo Eleitoral revisto de 2020 foi aprovado nos termos do Artigo 13.2 dos Estatutos e substituir? todos os processos eleitorais e directrizes anteriores, excepcionalmente para o ano 2020 devido ? pandemia da COVID-19. >>> >>> O documento cont?m pormenores importantes sobre a forma como as elei??es ser?o conduzidas, as exig?ncias dos eleitores e o plano temporal. Mais detalhes sobre as modalidades de realiza??o das elei??es ser?o em breve partilhados pelo CEO. >>> >>> Agradecemos a vossa paci?ncia e compreens?o e aguardamos com expectativa o vosso apoio e coopera??o. >>> >>> >>> Assinado >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Christian D. 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Date : Mercredi 19 ao?t 2020 Langue: Fran?ais Heure : 12:30 UTC (Senegal, Cote D'Ivoire) * 16:30 GST (Maurice, Seychelles) * 13:30 WAT (Cameroun, Tunisie) * 14:30 CAT (Burundi) Le lien d'enregistrement au webinaire est: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZEkf-2hrTkjG9Nz4s6TaXXGOgH5H4DcD5Vc Apr?s votre inscription, vous recevrez un email de confirmation contenant des informations sur la mani?re de participer au webinaire. Dans l'espoir de vous compter parmi les participants, Tr?s cordialement AFRINIC Stakeholder Engagement -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From comms at afrinic.net Wed Aug 12 14:03:53 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:03:53 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review Message-ID: [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear Members and Community, The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well as proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the Community. Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) containing its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the rationale added thereto. The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat (govcom at afrinic.net) any further comment(s) before the final document is produced. However, please note that the present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This is an opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being proposed. The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to continuous beneficial engagement. Regards, Abdalla Omari Chair, Governance Committee ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Chers membres et communaut?, Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le cas ?ch?ant. Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des propositions de modification. En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, accompagn?es de leurs justifications. Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat (govcom at afrinic.net) tout commentaire suppl?mentaire avant la production du document final. Toutefois, veuillez noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les amendements propos?s. Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. Tr?s cordialement, Abdalla Omari Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance ?????????.. ??????? ??????? ???????? ? ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ???? GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net) ??? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. ?? ??????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ???????????????????. Caros Membros e Comunidade, O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando necess?rio. Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a Comunidade. Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as emendas que est?o a ser propostas. O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. Cumprimentos, Abdalla Omari Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o ????????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Wed Aug 12 15:11:35 2020 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:11:35 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991E0B2D-99FB-4266-9D02-13FB6060EC27@consulintel.es> Hi Abdalla, all, I've a few inputs: 1) I think the definition of end-site should be amended. An entity, corporation or individual can have multiple end-sites. Just think in a bank. They will have a main office, maybe a backup ?main-office? or DC for disaster recovery and many branch offices. Each office or ?location? is an ?end-site location? which may be able to get resources. In some situations, those resources will be aggregated in a single prefix, but this is not always the case. So, the definition should be able to accommodate it. I will propose this change. Actual: Any entity, corporate or individual that receive services (Number Resources assignments) directly from AFRINIC for exclusive use on its own service infrastructure. New: Any location from an entity, corporate or individual that receive services (Number Resources assignments) directly from AFRINIC for exclusive use on its own service infrastructure. Coincidently, a few months ago, I proposed a policy change in RIPE, which reached consensus and has been already implemented, and we have adjusted the text in the same direction. 2) The definition of Internet Community is also wrong in my opinion. It is globally used "Internet Community" to refer to the "worldwide Internet Community". Otherwise it contradicts many other documents and may restrict participation, for example in the PDP and will be against ICANN ICP-2. So, it should be: Any person or organization interested in the Internet Number resource Management. I understand that term needs to be restricted for some of the legal provisions, and in the bylaws, this is already done. For example, 3.4.(ii) already cites "Internet community of the African region". In 9, it indicates "from the African Internet Community" and in 9.3(i)a) "from the African Internet Community". 3) 11.2 should be amended, to avoid contradiction with the PDP, that talks about bi-annual meetings. I think it could be written to keep it open for whatever number of meetings. Actual: 11.2 The Board shall call a Public Policy Meeting at least once a year as per requirements defined in the Policy development Process. Public Policy Meeting may be attended by: New: 11.2 The Board shall call for Public Policy Meeting as per requirements defined in the Policy development Process. Public Policy Meeting may be attended by: 4) Finally, 11.3 should be amended ... Actual: 11.3 For the purpose of subsection 11.2 a Public Policy Meeting means a meeting open to the community wherein proposals for policies for a proper and responsible usage and Management of Internet number resources are discussed and agreed within the framework of the Policy Development Process (PDP) defined by the Regional Internet community and ratified by the Board. New: 11.3 For the purpose of subsection 11.2 a Public Policy Meeting means a meeting open to the community wherein proposals for policies for a proper and responsible usage and Management of Internet number resources are discussed and agreed within the framework of the Policy Development Process (PDP) defined by the Internet community and ratified by the Board. Otherwise it contradicts 11.2, ICANN ICP-2 and the PDP. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/8/20 16:09, "AFRINIC Communication" escribi?: [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear Members and Community, The GovCom?was?mandated?to,?inter?alia, review the existing provisions of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such?amendments, where necessary. In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well as proposals for amendments from various?stakeholders, including the Community.? Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, the GovCom hereby presents to the Community?a draft table?(https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf)?containing its proposed?amendments to the existing Bylaws with the rationale added thereto. The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to?submit to the Secretariat (govcom at afrinic.net)?any further?comment(s)?before the final document is produced.?However, please note that?the present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This is?an?opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being proposed.? The?GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable contribution in its review of the Bylaws and?looks forward to continuous?beneficial?engagement. Regards, Abdalla Omari Chair,?Governance Committee ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Chers membres et communaut?, Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des?modifications, le cas ?ch?ant. Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de?formuler des commentaires et des propositions de modification.? En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la?Communaut? un tableau (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) contenant ses propositions de?modifications des r?glements existants, accompagn?es de leurs justifications. Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ??soumettre au Secr?tariat?(govcom at afrinic.net)?tout commentaire suppl?mentaire avant la production du document?final. Toutefois, veuillez noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? pr?senter de nouvelles?propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les?amendements propos?s.? Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts?et se r?jouit de b?n?ficier de son engagement continu.? Tr?s cordialement, Abdalla Omari Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance ?????????.. ??????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ??????GovCom ???? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???????AFRINIC???????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. ?? ??? ?????? ? ????GovCom??????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ?????GovCom?????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ?????(https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf)?????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????. ???? ? ?????GovCom???????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ????????(govcom at afrinic.net)???? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ???????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. ????GovCom??? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. ?? ??????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ???????????????????. Caros Membros e Comunidade, O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais?altera??es, quando necess?rio. Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem como propostas de emendas de v?rias?partes interessadas, incluindo a Comunidade.? Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das suas partes interessadas, o GovCom?apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos?Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das referidas propostas de altera??o, bem?como a apresentar ao Secretariado quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No?entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma?oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as emendas que est?o a ser propostas.? O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e?aguarda com expectativa um compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. Cumprimentos, Abdalla Omari Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o ????????. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. From eddy at afrinic.net Mon Aug 17 09:26:25 2020 From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:26:25 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Monthly Updates August 2020 Message-ID: <04c201d67478$7ba3fad0$72ebf070$@afrinic.net> Dear Colleagues, Warm greetings. Please find below the updates for the past month: 1. Strategic Plan 2021-2023: We appreciate the feedback that you provided on the survey regarding the development of AFRINIC's next Strategic Plan. We have been intensively working on preparing the plan through different meetings, workshops, and interviews. We also had an online board retreat to reflect further on the key objectives and initiatives for our organisation. We will publish the final draft at the end of August and will discuss it during AIS20 before its adoption. 2. AIS20: We are progressing well in our preparations for the first online AIS event in mid-September. The draft program is available at https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. We hope and wish to "see" you all at the event. There have been some questions about elections in the online setup. Moving forward with online elections is a positive step at this challenging time. I would like to applaud everyone who has given their time and feedback to this process. 3. WHOIS Accuracy: The team is still working on the resource audit, and the Interim injunction case is still pending before the Mauritian Supreme Court. We are aiming to complete the Audit exercise by the end of this calendar year. 4. Partnerships: We have signed 2 MOUs in the past month. A collaboration framework with ISOC related to Internet measurement and resilience and one with the Nigerian Communication Commission, which will focus on IPv6 deployment in Nigeria. We are eager to see the benefits that will accrue from these new partnerships. Kind regards and keep safe, Eddy ??????????????. Chers coll?gues, Je vous adresse ? tous mes salutations les plus chaleureuses Vous trouverez ci-dessous les mises ? jour du mois dernier : 1. Plan strat?gique 2021-2023 : Nous appr?cions les commentaires que vous avez fournis sur notre sondage concernant l'?laboration du prochain Plan strat?gique de l'AFRINIC. Nous avons travaill? activement ? la pr?paration de ce plan au cours de diff?rentes r?unions, ateliers et entretiens. Nous avons ?galement organis? une retraite du conseil d'administration en ligne pour r?fl?chir davantage aux principaux objectifs et initiatives de notre organisation. Nous publierons le plan final ? la fin du mois d'ao?t et nous en discuterons pendant l'AIS20 avant son adoption. 2. AIS20 : Nous progressons bien dans nos pr?paratifs pour le premier ?v?nement AIS en ligne ? la mi-septembre. Le programme est disponible ? l'adresse suivante : https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. Nous esp?rons et souhaitons vous "voir" tous ? l'?v?nement. Il y a eu quelques questions sur la tenue d??lections en ligne. Progresser avec des ?lections en lignes est un pas positif dans cette p?riode de pand?mie. J?aimerai remercier chaleureusement toute personnes qui a contribu? de son temps et de ses id?es pendant la proc?dure. 3. Mise ? jour sur l'exactitude du WHOIS : L'?quipe poursuit son travail sur l'audit des ressources, et en ce qui concerne l?injonction provisoire, elle est toujours en cours aupres de la Court Supreme de Maurice. Nous avons pour objectif de terminer l'exercice d'audit d'ici la fin de l'ann?e civile. 4. Partenariats : Nous avons sign? deux protocoles d'accord au cours du mois dernier. Un cadre de collaboration avec l'ISOC portant sur la mesure et ? la r?silience de l'Internet et un autre avec la Commission nig?riane de la communication, qui se focalisera sur le d?ploiement d'IPv6 au Nigeria. Nous sommes impatients de voir les retomb?es de ces nouveaux partenariats. Bien ? vous et soyez prudents, Eddy ?????????????. ?????? ???????? ????? ????. ???? ??????? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????: 1. ????? ???????????? 2021-2023: ??? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?? AFRINIC. ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ??????. ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ????????. ????? ??????? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ????????? ???? AIS20 ??? ????????. 2. AIS20: ??? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ??? AIS ??? ???????? ?? ????? ??????. ????? ???????? ???? ??? https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. ???? ?????? ?? "?????" ?????? ?? ??? ?????. 3. ??? WHOIS: ?? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????. ??? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????????. 4. ????????: ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ??????. ???? ????? ?? ISOC ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ????????? ????????? ? ????? ????? ??? ??? IPv6 ?? ???????. ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ???????? ???????. ?? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ????????????... Caros Colegas, Sauda??es calorosas. Por favor, encontre abaixo as actualiza??es relativas ao m?s passado: 1. Plano Estrat?gico 2021-2023: Agradecemos o seu feedback sobre o inqu?rito relativo ao desenvolvimento do pr?ximo Plano Estrat?gico da AFRINIC. Temos estado a trabalhar intensamente na prepara??o do plano atrav?s de diferentes reuni?es, workshops e entrevistas. Tivemos tamb?m um retiro em linha para reflectir mais sobre os objectivos e iniciativas-chave para a nossa organiza??o. Publicaremos o projecto final no final de Agosto e discuti-lo-emos durante o AIS20 antes da sua adop??o. 2. AIS20: Estamos a progredir bem nos nossos preparativos para o primeiro evento AIS em linha em meados de Setembro. O rascunho do programa est? dispon?vel em https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. Esperamos e desejamos "v?-los" a todos no evento. 3. WHOIS Accuracy: A equipa ainda est? a trabalhar na auditoria de recursos, e n?o existe at? agora qualquer actualiza??o relativamente ao caso da provid?ncia cautelar provis?ria. O nosso objectivo ? completar o exerc?cio de Auditoria at? ao final deste ano civil. 4. Parcerias: Assin?mos 2 MOU no m?s passado. Um quadro de colabora??o com a ISOC relacionado com a medi??o e a resili?ncia da Internet e um com a Comiss?o de Comunica??o da Nig?ria, que se centrar? na implanta??o do IPv6 na Nig?ria. Estamos ansiosos por ver os benef?cios que advir?o destas novas parcerias. Com os melhores cumprimentos e em seguran?a, Eddy ---- Eddy Kayihura Chief Executive Officer African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) t: +230 403 5100 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Mon Aug 17 10:03:07 2020 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:03:07 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Monthly Updates August 2020 In-Reply-To: <04c201d67478$7ba3fad0$72ebf070$@afrinic.net> References: <04c201d67478$7ba3fad0$72ebf070$@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <432DE647-04E3-408E-8A81-F72C43B3C793@nftconsult.com> Thanks For the update Looking forward to the next stages of the strategic plan. Eager to hear more about the IPV6 MOU and how it can be duplicated to other countries once all teathing issues are sorted. Regards Badru From: Eddy Kayihura Date: Monday, 17 August 2020 at 12:25 To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" Subject: [Community-Discuss] Monthly Updates August 2020 Dear Colleagues, Warm greetings. Please find below the updates for the past month: 1. Strategic Plan 2021-2023: We appreciate the feedback that you provided on the survey regarding the development of AFRINIC's next Strategic Plan. We have been intensively working on preparing the plan through different meetings, workshops, and interviews. We also had an online board retreat to reflect further on the key objectives and initiatives for our organisation. We will publish the final draft at the end of August and will discuss it during AIS20 before its adoption. 2. AIS20: We are progressing well in our preparations for the first online AIS event in mid-September. The draft program is available at https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. We hope and wish to "see" you all at the event. There have been some questions about elections in the online setup. Moving forward with online elections is a positive step at this challenging time. I would like to applaud everyone who has given their time and feedback to this process. 3. WHOIS Accuracy: The team is still working on the resource audit, and the Interim injunction case is still pending before the Mauritian Supreme Court. We are aiming to complete the Audit exercise by the end of this calendar year. 4. Partnerships: We have signed 2 MOUs in the past month. A collaboration framework with ISOC related to Internet measurement and resilience and one with the Nigerian Communication Commission, which will focus on IPv6 deployment in Nigeria. We are eager to see the benefits that will accrue from these new partnerships. Kind regards and keep safe, Eddy ??????????????. Chers coll?gues, Je vous adresse ? tous mes salutations les plus chaleureuses Vous trouverez ci-dessous les mises ? jour du mois dernier : 1. Plan strat?gique 2021-2023 : Nous appr?cions les commentaires que vous avez fournis sur notre sondage concernant l'?laboration du prochain Plan strat?gique de l'AFRINIC. Nous avons travaill? activement ? la pr?paration de ce plan au cours de diff?rentes r?unions, ateliers et entretiens. Nous avons ?galement organis? une retraite du conseil d'administration en ligne pour r?fl?chir davantage aux principaux objectifs et initiatives de notre organisation. Nous publierons le plan final ? la fin du mois d'ao?t et nous en discuterons pendant l'AIS20 avant son adoption. 2. AIS20 : Nous progressons bien dans nos pr?paratifs pour le premier ?v?nement AIS en ligne ? la mi-septembre. Le programme est disponible ? l'adresse suivante : https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. Nous esp?rons et souhaitons vous "voir" tous ? l'?v?nement. Il y a eu quelques questions sur la tenue d??lections en ligne. Progresser avec des ?lections en lignes est un pas positif dans cette p?riode de pand?mie. J?aimerai remercier chaleureusement toute personnes qui a contribu? de son temps et de ses id?es pendant la proc?dure. 3. Mise ? jour sur l'exactitude du WHOIS : L'?quipe poursuit son travail sur l'audit des ressources, et en ce qui concerne l?injonction provisoire, elle est toujours en cours aupres de la Court Supreme de Maurice. Nous avons pour objectif de terminer l'exercice d'audit d'ici la fin de l'ann?e civile. 4. Partenariats : Nous avons sign? deux protocoles d'accord au cours du mois dernier. Un cadre de collaboration avec l'ISOC portant sur la mesure et ? la r?silience de l'Internet et un autre avec la Commission nig?riane de la communication, qui se focalisera sur le d?ploiement d'IPv6 au Nigeria. Nous sommes impatients de voir les retomb?es de ces nouveaux partenariats. Bien ? vous et soyez prudents, Eddy ?????????????. ?????? ???????? ????? ????. ???? ??????? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????: 1. ????? ???????????? 2021-2023: ??? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?? AFRINIC. ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ??????. ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ????????. ????? ??????? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ????????? ???? AIS20 ??? ????????. 2. AIS20: ??? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ??? AIS ??? ???????? ?? ????? ??????. ????? ???????? ???? ??? https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. ???? ?????? ?? "?????" ?????? ?? ??? ?????. 3. ??? WHOIS: ?? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????. ??? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????????. 4. ????????: ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ??????. ???? ????? ?? ISOC ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ????????? ????????? ? ????? ????? ??? ??? IPv6 ?? ???????. ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ???????? ???????. ?? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ????????????... Caros Colegas, Sauda??es calorosas. Por favor, encontre abaixo as actualiza??es relativas ao m?s passado: 1. Plano Estrat?gico 2021-2023: Agradecemos o seu feedback sobre o inqu?rito relativo ao desenvolvimento do pr?ximo Plano Estrat?gico da AFRINIC. Temos estado a trabalhar intensamente na prepara??o do plano atrav?s de diferentes reuni?es, workshops e entrevistas. Tivemos tamb?m um retiro em linha para reflectir mais sobre os objectivos e iniciativas-chave para a nossa organiza??o. Publicaremos o projecto final no final de Agosto e discuti-lo-emos durante o AIS20 antes da sua adop??o. 2. AIS20: Estamos a progredir bem nos nossos preparativos para o primeiro evento AIS em linha em meados de Setembro. O rascunho do programa est? dispon?vel em https://2020.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme. Esperamos e desejamos "v?-los" a todos no evento. 3. WHOIS Accuracy: A equipa ainda est? a trabalhar na auditoria de recursos, e n?o existe at? agora qualquer actualiza??o relativamente ao caso da provid?ncia cautelar provis?ria. O nosso objectivo ? completar o exerc?cio de Auditoria at? ao final deste ano civil. 4. Parcerias: Assin?mos 2 MOU no m?s passado. Um quadro de colabora??o com a ISOC relacionado com a medi??o e a resili?ncia da Internet e um com a Comiss?o de Comunica??o da Nig?ria, que se centrar? na implanta??o do IPv6 na Nig?ria. Estamos ansiosos por ver os benef?cios que advir?o destas novas parcerias. Com os melhores cumprimentos e em seguran?a, Eddy ---- Eddy Kayihura Chief Executive Officer African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) t: +230 403 5100 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date : Mercredi 19 ao?t 2020 Langue: Fran?ais Heure : 12:30 UTC (Senegal, Cote D'Ivoire) * 16:30 GST (Maurice, Seychelles) * 13:30 WAT (Cameroun, Tunisie) * 14:30 CAT (Burundi) Le lien d'enregistrement au webinaire est: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZEkf-2hrTkjG9Nz4s6TaXXGOgH5H4DcD5Vc Apr?s votre inscription, vous recevrez un email de confirmation contenant des informations sur la mani?re de participer au webinaire. Dans l'espoir de vous compter parmi les participants, Tr?s cordialement AFRINIC Stakeholder Engagement -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From comms at afrinic.net Wed Aug 19 07:43:55 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:43:55 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement for Final Candidate Slate for Open Seat for the NRO NC and PDWG elections Message-ID: <590DEDAD-5BB7-478A-B13C-4DCBA3E49959@afrinic.net> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear colleagues, On behalf of the NomCom2020, AFRINIC is pleased to announce the following final candidate slate for the open seat on the Number Resource Organisation Number Council and Policy Development Working Group elections: Number Resource Organisation Number Council Election ? Janvier Ngnoulaye ? Noah Maina ? Saul Stein Full candidate information has been published at: https://afrinic.net/election-process/nro-nc-election-candidate-2020 Policy Development Working Group Election ? Arnaud Amelina ? Abdulkarim Oloyede ? Barry Macharia ? Christophe Kangamutima Full candidate information has been published at: https://afrinic.net/election-process/pdwg-election-candidate-2020 The community (and members) are hereby invited to view candidate details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the above positions using the comment section at the URLs above. Election will be held online during the AIS?20 scheduled from 14-18 September 2020. More information is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email to nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ????????????????????????... Annonce des candidats pour les elections au Number Resource Organisation Number Council et Policy Development Working Group Chers coll?gues, Au nom du Nomcom 2020, AFRINIC a le plaisir d?annoncer la liste finale des candidats pour election au sein du Number Resource Organisation Number Council. Election Number Resource Organisation Number Council ? Janvier Ngnoulaye ? Noah Maina ? Saul Stein Plus d?informations sur les candidats sont publi?es ici: https://afrinic.net/election-process/nro-nc-election-candidate-2020 Election Policy Development Working Group ? Arnaud Amelina ? Abdulkarim Oloyede ? Barry Macharia ? Christophe Kangamutima Plus d?informations sur les candidats sont publi?es ici: https://afrinic.net/election-process/pdwg-election-candidate-2020 La communaut? (et les membres) sont invit?s ? voir les d?tails des candidats et ? formuler des commentaires sur les qualit?s personnelles des candidats pour les postes ci-dessus en utilisant la section des commentaires sur les URL ci-dessus. L'?lection aura lieu lors de la r?union de lAIS?20 qui se tiendra en ligne du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur: https://afrinic.net/election-process Pour toute question ou clarification, veuillez contacter le comit? de nomination par courriel ? nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ???????????? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? NomCom2020 ? ??? AFRINIC ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ????????: ??? ???????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process/nro-nc-election-candidate-2020 ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ? ??? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process/pdwg-election-candidate-2020 ??? ???? ??????? (????????) ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????? URL ?????. ???? ????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? AIS?20 ?????? ?? 14-18 ?????? 2020. ????? ???? ?? ????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2020 [at] afrinic.net ?????? 2020 ???????????... Caros colegas, Em nome do NomCom2020, a AFRINIC tem o prazer de anunciar o seguinte quadro final de candidatos para o lugar aberto nas elei??es do Conselho de Organiza??o de Recursos Num?ricos e do Grupo de Trabalho de Desenvolvimento de Pol?ticas: N?mero Organiza??o de Recursos N?mero Elei??o do Conselho - Janvier Ngnoulaye - Noah Maina - Saul Stein Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em: https://afrinic.net/election-process/nro-nc-election-candidate-2020 Elei??o do Grupo de Trabalho de Desenvolvimento de Pol?ticas - Arnaud Amelina - Abdulkarim Oloyede - Barry Macharia - Christophe Kangamutima Foi publicada informa??o completa sobre os candidatos em: https://afrinic.net/election-process/pdwg-election-candidate-2020 A comunidade (e os membros) s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a adequa??o dos candidatos aos cargos acima mencionados, utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios nos URLs acima referidos. As elei??es ser?o realizadas em linha durante o AIS'20, agendadas de 14 a 18 de Setembro de 2020. Mais informa??es est?o dispon?veis em: https://afrinic.net/election-process Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From comms at afrinic.net Wed Aug 19 08:19:16 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:19:16 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement for Final Candidate Slate for AFRINIC Board Elections Message-ID: <3CBFA109-7FE3-404F-B3F3-894BAE25665C@afrinic.net> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear Colleagues, NomCom2020 is pleased to announce the following final candidate slate for Seat 3 (Indian Ocean), Seat 4 (Central Africa), Seat 6 (Eastern Africa) and Seat 8 (Non-Regional) on the AFRINIC Board: Seat 3 (Indian Ocean) 1. Kaleem Usmani 2. Subramanian Moonesamy Seat 4 (Central Africa) 1. Serge Kabwika Ilunga Seat 6 (Eastern Africa) 1. Abdalla Omari 2. Fiona Asonga Seat 8 (Non-Regional) 1. Alan Levin 2. Benjamin Eshun 3. Jacob Kwaku Odame-Baiden Full candidate information has been published at https://afrinic.net/election-process/board-election-candidate-2020 The community and members are hereby invited to view candidate details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the board position using the comment section at the URL above. Election will be held during the Annual General Members' Meeting (AGMM) to be held online on 18 September 2020. Electronic voting will start on 5 September 2020 until 18 September 2020 and will be conducted through the MyAFRINIC portal - https://my.afrinic.net More information is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email to nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ???????????????????. Annonce de la liste finale des candidats pour les ?lections au conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC Chers coll?gues, NomCom2020 a le plaisir d'annoncer la liste finale suivante de candidats pour le si?ge 3 (Oc?an Indien), le si?ge 4 (Afrique centrale), le si?ge 6 (Afrique de l'Est) et le si?ge 8 (non r?gional) au conseil d'administration de l'AFRINIC : Si?ge 3 (Oc?an indien) 1. Kaleem Usmani 2. Subramanian Moonesamy Si?ge 4 (Afrique centrale) 1. Serge Kabwika Ilunga Si?ge 6 (Afrique de l'Est) 1. Abdalla Omari 2. Fiona Asonga Si?ge 8 (non r?gional) 1. Alan Levin 2. Benjamin Eshun 3. Jacob Kwaku Odame-Baiden Des informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur le site https://afrinic.net/election-process/board-election-candidate-2020 . La communaut? et les membres sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer leurs commentaires sur les qualit?s des candidats pour le poste au sein du conseil d'administration en utilisant la section des commentaires ? l'adresse URL ci-dessus. L'?lection aura lieu lors de l'assembl?e g?n?rale annuelle des membres (AGMM) qui se tiendra en ligne le 18 septembre 2020. Le vote ?lectronique d?butera le 5 septembre 2020 et se d?roulera jusqu'au 18 septembre 2020, via le portail MyAFRINIC - https://my.afrinic.net Pour plus d'informations, voir : https://afrinic.net/election-process Pour toute question ou pr?cision, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par courriel ? nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ?????????????????????. ?????? ???????? ??? NomCom2020 ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ?????? 3 (?????? ??????) ? ??????? 4 (??? ???????) ? ??????? 6 (??? ???????) ??????? 8 (??? ????????) ?? ???? ????? AFRINIC: ?????? 3 (?????? ??????) 1. ???? ?????? 2. ??????????? ??????? ?????? 4 (??? ???????) 1. ???? ??????? ??????? ?????? 6 (??? ???????) 1. ??? ???? ?????? 2. ????? ?????? ?????? 8 (??? ????????) 1. ???? ????? 2. ??????? ???? 3 - ????? ????? ????? - ????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/election-process/board-election-candidate-2020 ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????. ???? ????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? (AGMM) ???? ????? ??? ???????? ?? 18 ?????? 2020. ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? 5 ?????? 2020 ??? 18 ?????? 2020 ????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? MyAFRINIC - https://my.afrinic.net ????? ???? ?? ????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2020 [at] afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ?????????????????????... Caros Colegas, O NomCom2020 tem o prazer de anunciar a seguinte candidatura final ao lugar 3 (Oceano ?ndico), lugar 4 (?frica Central), lugar 6 (?frica Oriental) e lugar 8 (N?o-Regional) no Conselho AFRINIC: Lugar 3 (Oceano ?ndico) 1. Kaleem Usmani 2. Subramanian Moonesamy Lugar 4 (?frica Central) 1. Serge Kabwika Ilunga Lugar 6 (?frica Oriental) 1. Abdalla Omari 2. Fiona Asonga Lugar 8 (N?o-Regional) 1. Alan Levin 2. Benjamin Eshun 3. Jacob Kwaku Odame-Baiden A informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/election-process/board-election-candidate-2020 A comunidade e os membros s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a adequa??o dos candidatos ao lugar no conselho de administra??o, utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima. A elei??o ter? lugar durante a Reuni?o Anual Geral de Membros (AGMM) a realizar online no dia 18 de Setembro de 2020. A vota??o electr?nica ter? in?cio a 5 de Setembro de 2020 at? 18 de Setembro de 2020 e ser? realizada atrav?s do portal MyAFRINIC - https://my.afrinic.net Mais informa??o est? dispon?vel em: https://afrinic.net/election-process Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From comms at afrinic.net Wed Aug 19 08:47:09 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:47:09 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Announcement for Final Candidate Slate for Open Seat on the AFRINIC Governance Committee Message-ID: <7D428671-3F9A-4500-8C68-38340CCE3B3B@afrinic.net> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear colleagues, On behalf of the NomCom2020, AFRINIC is pleased to announce the following final candidate slate for the open seat on the AFRINIC Governance Committee elections: Governance Committee ? Ali Hussein Full candidate information has been published at https://afrinic.net/election-process/governance-committee-election-2020 The community (and members) are hereby invited to view candidate details and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the Governance committee position using the comment section at the URL above. Election will be held online during the AIS?20 scheduled from 14-18 September 2020. More information is available at: https://afrinic.net/election-process For any queries or clarification, please contact the nominations committee by email to nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ??????????????????????? Annonce des candidats pour l'election au comit? de gouvernance Chers coll?gues, Au nom du Nomcom2020, AFRINIC a le plaisir d?annoncer la liste finale des candidats pour election au sein du comit? de gouvernance. Comit? de gouvernance - Ali Hussein Des informations compl?tes sur les candidats ont ?t? publi?es sur le site https://afrinic.net/election-process/governance-committee-election-2020. La communaut? (et les membres) sont invit?s ? consulter les d?tails des candidats et ? exprimer leurs commentaires sur les qualit?s des candidats au poste de comit? de gouvernance en utilisant la section de commentaires ? l'URL ci-dessus. L'?lection aura lieu en ligne pendant l'AIS'20 pr?vu du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. Plus d'informations sont disponibles ? l'adresse suivante : https://afrinic.net/election-process Pour toute question ou pr?cision, veuillez contacter le comit? des nominations par courriel ? nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 ????????????????????????????????????? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? NomCom2020 ? ??? AFRINIC ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?? AFRINIC ???????? ???? ???????: ???? ??????? ? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? https://afrinic.net/election-process/governance-committee-election-2020 ??? ???? ??????? (????????) ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?? ????? URL ?????. ???? ????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? AIS?20 ?????? ?? 14-18 ?????? 2020. ????? ???? ?? ????????? ???: https://afrinic.net/election-process ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??? nomcom2020 [at] afrinic.net ?????? 2020 ?????????????????????????????????????... Caros colegas, Em nome do NomCom2020, a AFRINIC tem o prazer de anunciar o seguinte quadro final de candidatos para o lugar aberto na AFRINIC Elei??es da Comiss?o de Governa??o: Comiss?o de Governa??o - Ali Hussein Informa??o completa sobre os candidatos foi publicada em https://afrinic.net/election-process/governance-committee-election-2020 A comunidade (e os membros) s?o convidados a ver os detalhes dos candidatos e a expressar quaisquer coment?rios sobre a adequa??o dos candidatos ao cargo de Comit? de Governa??o utilizando a sec??o de coment?rios no URL acima. As elei??es ser?o realizadas em linha durante o AIS'20, agendadas de 14 a 18 de Setembro de 2020. Mais informa??es est?o dispon?veis em: https://afrinic.net/election-process Para qualquer quest?o ou esclarecimento, por favor contacte o comit? de nomea??es por e-mail para nomcom2020[at]afrinic.net Nomcom2020 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:02:43 2020 From: ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com (Anthony Ubah) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:02:43 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review Message-ID: Hi all, These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I pondered how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community opinion to be presented in an even better way. Thus, I have a few inputs; *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *6.1* Membership shall be open to: (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of providing, open system protocol network services; or (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. To amend *Article 6.1* *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. *6.4* Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that Article 6.4 reads as follows: *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively:* *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service.* AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.2** (ii)* The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; To be amended to read as follows: (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet Resources Policy-related matters. *8.2**(iii)* (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; Propose to be deleted. This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.2**(v)* such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. To be deleted. The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. *8.3**(iii)* the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.3**(iv)* the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; To be deleted. This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. *8.3**(vi)* such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time To be deleted. The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.4* Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part. To be amended so that it reads as follows: Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case.* The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and unclear. It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.5* The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company. To be amended as follows: The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership.* To avoid disruption to end-user. *11.4* Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. To be amended to read as follows: Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a whole. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *11.5(ii)* Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. To be amended so as to read as follows: (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; *however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid.* **bold stroked words = to be deleted If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any response from the community. For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the Board. *12.4* Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting. To be amended so as to read as follows: Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault of the Board.* This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *15.3* Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to: (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; To be deleted. The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined through the consensus of the Members. The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the determination of the allocation guidelines. *22.2* If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the Board. To be amended as follows: If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus *shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual decision of the members*. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the *members*. The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. The board should not be the one deciding. I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took their time to read it. Find attached. *Best Regards,* *ANTHONY * anthony.ubah at goldspine.com .ng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bylaw REVIEW.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 26518 bytes Desc: not available URL: From blackboythinking at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:20:05 2020 From: blackboythinking at gmail.com (Antone Bahu) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:20:05 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I pondered on how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community opinion to be presented in an even better way. Thus, I have a few inputs; *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *6.1* Membership shall be open to: (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of providing, open system protocol network services; or (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. To amend *Article 6.1* *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. *6.4* Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that Article 6.4 reads as follows: *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively:* *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service.* AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.2** (ii)* The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; To be amended to read as follows: (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet Resources Policy-related matters. *8.2**(iii)* (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; Propose to be deleted. This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.2**(v)* such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. To be deleted. The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. *8.3**(iii)* the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.3**(iv)* the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; To be deleted. This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. *8.3**(vi)* such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time To be deleted. The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.4* Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part. To be amended so that it reads as follows: Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case.* The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and unclear. It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *8.5* The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company. To be amended as follows: The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership.* To avoid disruption to end-user. *11.4* Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. To be amended to read as follows: Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a whole. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *11.5(ii)* Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. To be amended so as to read as follows: (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; *however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid.* **bold stroked words = to be deleted If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any response from the community. For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the Board. *12.4* Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting. To be amended so as to read as follows: Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault of the Board.* This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. *Existing Provisions* *Proposed Amendments* *Rationale for Amendments* *15.3* Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to: (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; To be deleted. The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined through the consensus of the Members. The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the determination of the allocation guidelines. *22.2* If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the Board. To be amended as follows: If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus *shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual decision of the members*. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the *members*. The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. The board should not be the one deciding. I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took their time to read it. Find attached. *Best Regards,* *ANTHONY * anthony.ubah at goldspine.com .ng On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM AFRINIC Communication wrote: > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] > > Dear Members and Community, > > The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions of > the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. > > In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well as > proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the > Community. > > Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, > the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table ( > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) containing > its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the rationale added > thereto. > > The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the > aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat ( > govcom at afrinic.net) any further comment(s) before the final document is > produced. However, please note that the present publication is not an > invitation for new proposed amendments. This is an opportunity for the > Community to comment on the amendments being proposed. > > The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable > contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to > continuous beneficial engagement. > > Regards, > Abdalla Omari > Chair, Governance Committee > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > Chers membres et communaut?, > > Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions > existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le > cas ?ch?ant. > > Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses parties > prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des > propositions de modification. > > En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de ses > parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau ( > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) > contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, > accompagn?es de leurs justifications. > > Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des > propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat ( > govcom at afrinic.net) tout commentaire suppl?mentaire avant la production > du document final. Toutefois, veuillez noter que la pr?sente publication ne > constitue pas une invitation ? pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de > modifications. Il s'agit d'une occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des > commentaires sur les amendements propos?s. > > Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa > pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de > b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. > > Tr?s cordialement, > Abdalla Omari > Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance > > ?????????.. > > ??????? ??????? ???????? ? > > ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? > ?????? AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. > > ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? > ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. > > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? > ???? GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ( > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf) ????? > ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. > > ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? > ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net) ??? > ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? > ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? > ????????. > > ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. > > ?? ??????? > ??????? ?????? > ???? ???? ??????? > > ???????????????????. > > > Caros Membros e Comunidade, > > O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes > dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando necess?rio. > > Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem > como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a > Comunidade. > > Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das > suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de > quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas > aos Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. > > O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das > referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado > quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. > No entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para > novas propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade > comentar as emendas que est?o a ser propostas. > > O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa > contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um > compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. > > Cumprimentos, > Abdalla Omari > Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o > > ????????. > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bylaw REVIEW.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 26518 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rfg at tristatelogic.com Wed Aug 19 21:00:55 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:55 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued Message-ID: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due course. Regards, rfg From owen at delong.com Wed Aug 19 21:11:05 2020 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:11:05 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a pretty lousy format for soliciting comments because there?s no good way to put them inline. 6.1 Corporate should at the vary least be changed to ?corporation? as corporate is an adjective describing something which relates to a corporation (e.g. corporate membership) while corporation is the noun (e.g. corporate memberships are only available to corporations). Personally i disagree with this. There are many companies which are not corporations. I suggest instead using the term. Further I think that the proposed wording creates several potential chicken and egg issues. How does one comply with the policies before becoming a member and getting resources? I would suggest instead that the following is a superior alternative: (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which has a nexus in the AFRINIC service region and is a user of Internet Number Resources. If additional limitation is desired, one could add the clause ? directly issued to the person or organization by AFRINIC? at the end of the sentence. I would also suggest deleting (ii) as I believe this change would render it anachronistic. 6.4 ? As worded, you create an interesting loophole (absent my suggestion for additional limitations above)? With the proposed wording in sections 6.1 and 6.4, one could argue the case that if one has no AFRINIC resources and merely signs the RSA and does not violate any policies, one is entitled to voting membership as a resource member for $0 per year as without resources, that does constitute the relevant step and membership fees related to their zero resources allocated/assigned. While I agree that this is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum argument, courts have enforced far more ridiculous and baseless claims in history. 8.2(ii) and 8.3(ii) ? The wording here is absurd. A judgment call as to whether policy has been violated or not is required here. A policy itself cannot make such a judgment call. A policy is entirely a passive thing incapable of action or decision by itself. Some body of people must implement, enforce, and/or adjudicate any such policy. If you don?t want the board involved here, then assign it to staff or to the PDWG, or to a vote of the membership writ large or whoever you want, but you must appoint a trier of fact to make these judgments. You cannot blindly defer to the policy itself as if policy was capable of intervening in a members status without action by humans. 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv) ? So do we wish to simply allow a member who violates the constitution or other rules to continue as a member in good standing? This form of abuse strikes me as far more likely to occur and much harder to address without something taking the place of 8.2(iii). If you want to take this authority out of the hands of the board, fine, but you must then place it elsewhere or accept the anarchy that is the inevitable result. I have no issue with the deletion of 8.2(v) and 8.3(vi). The proposed edit to 8.4 is unwieldy, poorly written, and IMHO, unnecessary. Please describe a reasonable or likely scenario where a resource member would face termination of their membership that they did not cause. I cannot see any scenario in which this is possible, let alone likely. Perhaps I lack imagination, so please if I am wrong, enlighten me. I absolutely object to the suggested edit to 8.5. You are literally saying that one can (1) Obtain resources, (2) deploy those resources (3) decide to stop paying fees for those resources and then because they are deployed, (4) keep those resources in perpetuity. That?s ridiculous and would bankrupt the organization very quickly. Why would anyone ever pay a renewal fee under such a regulation? I will try to review the rest of the proposal later, I?m out of time for now, but that should provide some grist for the discussion mill in the mean time. Owen > On Aug 19, 2020, at 13:20 , Antone Bahu wrote: > > Hi all, > > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I pondered on how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community opinion to be presented in an even better way. > > Thus, I have a few inputs; > > > > Existing Provisions > > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > 6.1 > Membership shall be open to: > > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of providing, open system protocol network services; or > > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. > > > To amend Article 6.1 > (i) so that it may be read as follows: > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which complies with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community > > > > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. > 6.4 > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > To amend Article 6.4 by deleting the provisions under (i), so that Article 6.4 reads as follows: > > Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: > (i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement > (ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 8.2 (ii) > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: > > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > (ii) the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; > > > > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet Resources Policy-related matters. > > 8.2(iii) > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > Propose to be deleted. > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. > > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 8.2(v) > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. > > > > To be deleted. > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. > > > 8.3(iii) > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: > > the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. > > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 8.3(iv) > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > To be deleted. > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. > > 8.3(vi) > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. > > > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 8.4 > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so that it reads as follows: > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part, whilst subjected to the condition that unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case. > > > > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and unclear. > > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 8.5 > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company. > > > > To be amended as follows: > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company, unless such resources is already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership. > > > > To avoid disruption to end-user. > > 11.4 > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 but subject to Article 11.5, the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a whole. > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 11.5(ii) > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed or there is lack of response from the community, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > **bold stroked words = to be deleted > > > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any response from the community. > > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the Board. > > > 12.4 > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting. > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting, provided that such accidental omission to give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault of the Board. > > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. > > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. > > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. > Existing Provisions > Proposed Amendments > Rationale for Amendments > > 15.3 > Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to: > (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; > > > > To be deleted. > > > The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined through the consensus of the Members. > > The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the determination of the allocation guidelines. > > > > 22.2 > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the Board. > > > > To be amended as follows: > > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual decision of the members. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the members. > > > > > > The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. > The board should not be the one deciding. > > > I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took their time to read it. > Find attached. > Best Regards, > > ANTHONY > > anthony.ubah at goldspine.com .ng > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM AFRINIC Communication > wrote: > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] > > Dear Members and Community, > > The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. > > In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well as proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the Community. > > Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf ) containing its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the rationale added thereto. > > The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat (govcom at afrinic.net ) any further comment(s) before the final document is produced. However, please note that the present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This is an opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being proposed. > > The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to continuous beneficial engagement. > > Regards, > Abdalla Omari > Chair, Governance Committee > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > Chers membres et communaut?, > > Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le cas ?ch?ant. > > Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des propositions de modification. > > En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf ) contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, accompagn?es de leurs justifications. > > Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat (govcom at afrinic.net ) tout commentaire suppl?mentaire avant la production du document final. Toutefois, veuillez noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les amendements propos?s. > > Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. > > Tr?s cordialement, > Abdalla Omari > Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance > > ?????????.. > > ??????? ??????? ???????? ? > > ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. > > ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. > > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ???? GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf ) ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. > > ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net ) ??? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. > > ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. > > ?? ??????? > ??????? ?????? > ???? ???? ??????? > > ???????????????????. > > > Caros Membros e Comunidade, > > O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando necess?rio. > > Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a Comunidade. > > Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. > > O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as emendas que est?o a ser propostas. > > O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. > > Cumprimentos, > Abdalla Omari > Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o > > ????????. > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Wed Aug 19 21:53:04 2020 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:53:04 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ubah Before I could read further, I ran into the below statement in quotes. "AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion.". I disagree categorically with the above rationale and it's not new because we as a community have in the past had similar arguments of how AfriNIC is somehow a book keeper from a certain member of the community which goes to undermine AfriNICs role in the Internet ecosystem. Noah On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, 23:06 Anthony Ubah, wrote: > Hi all, > > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, > who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I > pondered how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community > opinion to be presented in an even better way. > > Thus, I have a few inputs; > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *6.1* > > Membership shall be open to: > > > > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services > in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of > providing, open system protocol network services; or > > > > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. > > > > > > To amend *Article 6.1* > > *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: > > > > Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* > > > > > > > > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the > current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting > geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. > > *6.4* > > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > the following formalities cumulatively: > > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to > AFRINIC > > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and > > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number > Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that > Article 6.4 reads as follows: > > > > *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > the following formalities cumulatively:* > > *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* > > *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet > Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service.* > > > > > > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. > > *Existing Provisions* > > *Proposed Amendments* > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *8.2** (ii)* > > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: > > > > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership > of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management > Policies; > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, > determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for > admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number > Resources Management Policies; > > > > > > > > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC > community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet > Resources Policy-related matters. > > > > *8.2**(iii)* > > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this > Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Propose to be deleted. > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > basis. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > *Proposed Amendments* > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *8.2**(v)* > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and > in good faith, shall determine from time to time. > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time > it desires. > > > > > > *8.3**(iii)* > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate > membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, > determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for > admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > basis. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > *Proposed Amendments* > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *8.3**(iv)* > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > basis. > > > > *8.3**(vi)* > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and > in good faith, shall determine from time to time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time > it desires. > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > *Proposed Amendments* > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *8.4* > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > whether in whole or in part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so that it reads as follows: > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that > unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by > the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member > shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, > whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each > case.* > > > > > > > > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and > unclear. > > > > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not > caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent > Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This > is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is > one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. > > *Existing Provisions* > > *Proposed Amendments* > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *8.5* > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > resources allocated to it by the Company. > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is > already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to > the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership.* > > > > > > > > To avoid disruption to end-user. > > > > *11.4* > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such > policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it > considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the > proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article > 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of > internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and > urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these > resources. > > > > > > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be > read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to > ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a > whole. > > *Existing Provisions* > > *Proposed Amendments* > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > *11.5(ii)* > > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following > its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior > to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said > policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; *however, > any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall > remain valid.* > > > > **bold stroked words = to be deleted > > > > > > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 > then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any > response from the community. > > > > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the > community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board > implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the > community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the > Board. > > > > > > *12.4* > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > proceedings at that Meeting. > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to > give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the > fault of the Board.* > > > > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. > > > > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to > receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall > take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. > > > > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant > Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda > whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with > the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to > abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. > References: <15658.1597884159@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <42f227eb-7700-310d-5aec-9d7ebde8934b@geier.ne.tz> Hi Ronald, I found this: https://afrinic.net/become-member - under "3. Type of Resource Membership" is some explanation. LIRs provide internet services to other entities, and give IP addresses to those other entities to use on their devices. "EU" - end user organisations do not give IPs or internet services to other organisations ("customers"). practically any corporate entity (that's not an ISP) should fall under this. Universities - should likely mostly be "EU", but I know already two in Tanzania alone that are currently listed as LIR... Research Networks on the other hand should surely be LIRs - giving IPs to universities. "PA" vs "PI" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provider-aggregatable_address_space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provider-independent_address_space https://afrinic.net/support/resource-members/what-is-an-allocation-or-pa-provider-aggregatable-ip-space https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/copy_of_faqs/isp-related-questions/pa-pi you won't see a difference out on the real Internet and in BGP. generally, for PI space the Org of the user is the Org having the IP from the RIR. for PA space: the Org of the user (or the individual) is a customer of the LIR (read: ISP) who got the IPs from the RIR. a new member declares to AfriNIC "I'm an ISP" - they can justify IPs by saying they will use it to provide Internet services to customers. AfriNIC is known to ask for an ISP license to get convinced. If a new university AfriNIC member says "I'm not going to give Internet services to external organisations", they should become an EU-PI. There are different "defaults" for the blocks sizes, but if justified, more than the default is an option. At least when we have enough IPs. Now an observation I just made: from Feb 2007 until May 2014 "ORG-IA41-AFRINIC" was an LIR! and a change from LIR to "MEMBER-ONLY" (at 2014-05-26 13:15) should have come with removal of all resources, I believe. Regards, Frank On 20/08/2020 03:42, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message , > Owen DeLong wrote: > >> I would suggest instead that the following is a superior alternative: >> (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which has a >> nexus in the AFRINIC service region and is a user of Internet Number >> Resources. > > Excuse me for interrupting, but during my research last year I was > informed that there are different categories of AFRINIC "membership", > and that not all of these entail the actual use of number resources. > > In partcular, I was informed that a designation of MEMBER-ONLY in the > org-type: field of an ORG indicated something like a United Nations > "observer status" membership. > > At present, the data base contains a number of different org-type: > designators, which I have just tabulated as follows: > > 1871 org-type: LIR > 632 org-type: EU-PI > 94 org-type: EU-AS > 84 org-type: MEMBER-ONLY > 10 org-type: OTHER > 8 org-type: REGISTERED-MEMBER > 6 org-type: ASSOCIATE-MEMBER > 5 org-type: RIR > 1 org-type: other > 1 org-type: IANA > 1 org-type: NON-REGISTRY > > Google as I might, I have been unable to find any listing or any online > documentation providing any information whatsoever about any of these > AFRINIC org-types. > > Could some kind soul please describe for me the significance of each one? > > I am especially interested in know what the heck an "EU-PI" organization is, > not least because that seems to be the type asosciated with ORG-IA41-AFRINIC > which is itself the owner of the valuable 196.16.0.0/14 block, which was > and is provably stolen. (And it *remains* stolen, even more than 7 months > after both the AFRINIC Board and AFRINIC management should have become > well and truly aware of its stolen status.) > > Am I correct that MEMBER-ONLY organizations pay no annual dues or fees to > AFRINIC? Are EU-PI organzations likewise exempt from all dues and fees? > If so, what is the justification for that? If not, then in the space of > time since this ORG was mysteriously changed from a MEMBER-ONLY to an > EU-PI org[1], has this shadowy and mysterious "offshore" organization > paid any dues or fees to AFRINIC? And if so, what bank acount(s) did > those payments come from and who signed those checks? > > [1] The org-type of this specific org was changed on 2020-05-07 by SOME > UNIDENTIFIED AFRINIC STAFF MEMBER. It is not at all clear who did that, > or why, but apparently staff have been given permission to "imrpovise" > when it comes to ongoing fraud. > > To be blunt, I am frankly appalled that all of you folks in the AFRINIC > region seem to be carrying on with "business as usual" when it is so > abundantly self-evident that both AFRINIC management and the AFRINIC > board are so clearly still covering up for thefts and for thieves. > > What is the motivation for them trying to sweep these things under the > carpet still, and to this day? And who else within the organization > did Ernest Byaruhanga implicate when he was confronted, by management > and the board, with the hard evidence of his criminal activities at > the meeting in Luanda? > > Am I really the only one who wants to know who the OTHER AFRINIC insider > crooks are? > > The near utter lack of curiosity, within this region, about what really > went on, behind the scenes, with all of the now well-documented thefts, > and about who else was involved, is really quite breathtaking. Have the > dues paying members of AFRINIC just become so accustomed to graft and > corruption that nobody even bothers to ask any questions about it, even > when it is happening right out in the open? > > I want to be crystal clear about this. It isn't just the 196.16.0.0/14 > block that remains stolen. BY NO MEANS! I have just now re-checked all > of the stolen legacy blocks that Jan Vermeulen and I found and reported > as stolen last year (2019). As you can all see in the table below, the > overwehlming majority of those blocks AND their associated ORG identities > are still stolen/compromised to this day, and even as we speak, and anybody > with half a brain... which apparent excludes the whole of the AFRINIC > staff... can easily see that, simply by looking in detail at the various > contact email addresses and phone numbers for each relevant ORG. > > In more than seven and a half months now, neither AFRINIC management nor > AFRINIC staff have made any effort whatsoever to clean up the criminal and > corrupt modifications that were made to the person: contact records > associated with any of the several legacy blocks listed below, all of > these being ones that Jan Vermeulen and myself meticulously researched > and called out as being stolen way back in September and December of last > year (2019). > > block org > ------------------------------------- > 163.198.0.0/16 ORG-AA79-AFRINIC > 164.88.0.0/16 ORG-AHL1-AFRINIC > 165.3.0.0/16 -none- > 165.4.0.0/16 -none- *** > 168.80.0.0/15 ORG-AISL1-AFRINIC > 196.16.0.0/14 ORG-IA41-AFRINIC > 155.159.0.0/16 ORG-SCS1-AFRINIC > 163.197.0.0/16 ORG-AA78-AFRINIC > 164.155.0.0/16 ORG-SL72-AFRINIC > 196.15.64.0/18 ORG-ZZ21-AFRINIC > 160.121.0.0/16 ORG-MPL1-AFRINIC > 155.235.0.0/16 ORG-AM1-AFRINIC > 196.10.61.0/24 ORG-ZZ154-AFRINIC > 196.10.62.0/23 ORG-ZZ154-AFRINIC > 196.10.64.0/19 ORG-ZZ154-AFRINIC > 160.116.0.0/16 ORG-ACSL2-AFRINIC > 168.206.0.0/16 ORG-TAEB1-AFRINIC > > Th result of this abject and near total failure of both AFRINIC management > and AFRINIC staff to simply do their jobs is that Mr. Cohen and his criminal > cohorts are *still* and to this day in control all of all the above blocks. > > Given that fact, we all really ought to stop and wonder: What is Mr. Cohen > (alleggedly) suing AFRINIC for? AFRINIC has apparently done absolutely > nothing to take back *any* of the many legacy block he stole. And it > must be noted also that Mr. cohden almost cetainly pulled off all of these > legacy block thefts with the substantial and direct assistance of one or > more crooked AFRINIC insiders who have yet to be publicly identified. > > Given that AFRINIC has actually *failed* to take back any of the stuff > that Mr. Cohen stole, what basis then does Mr. Cohen have for being in > any way unhappy with AFRINIC? If anything, the abundant INaction of > AFRINIC management and staff, over lo these many months, have left Mr. > Cohen free to profit handsomely from his massive cache of stolen goods, > month after month after month, and apparently without interruption. > > Mr. Cohen should be sending AFRINIC management & staff kisses, not lawsuits! > > The only way any of this makes sense is if this alleged "lawsuit", by > Mr. Cohen and against AFRINIC, is really just a pretense and a charade, > i.e. just some sort of a show, for external consumption only, intended > to give the -impression- of conflict while actually working to obscure > the fact that AFRINIC management and staff have spent the past 7+ months > doing absolutely nothing that would in any way fetter or interfere with > Mr. Cohen's ongoing criminal operations. Quite this opposite, in fact! > If anything, AFRINIC's inaction has effectively served to *protect* Mr. > Cohen's ongoing criminal enterprise, which he has built on the backs of > blatantly stolen AFRINIC legacy assets. > > So what is Mr. Cohen suing about? He has no basis to sue over -anything-, > since AFRINIC management have generously allowed him to keep all of his > stolen booty. > > Apparently, we mere mortals are of too lowly a caste to be given a clear > answer to the question: What is Mr. Cohen suing about? > > The AFRINIC Board and management have apparently decided, in their infinite > wisdom, that anything and everything relating to this alleged lawsuit shall > be treated as some sort of Big Secret, and thus, the AFRINIC Board and > management have decided to HIDE the relevant legal documents from the > public, from the unwashed masses, and also from all dues-paying AFRINIC > members, even though they are all quite clearly parties to this lawsuit > also. > > There is no legal requirement that would force the AFRINIC Board to impose > this total "blackout" secrecy, of course, since by definition, AFRINIC is > a membership-based organization, and thus, all members are effectively > being sued together by Mr. Cohen, and thus all members thus have a right > to see all of the relevant legal filings that have been filed against them. > > So why is the Board hiding the legal filings from the membership? What is > is that they don't want the membership to know? Is Mr. Cohen alleging, > in his legal papers... as he has done elswhere and in public... that he > "bought" all of his millions of dollars worth of stolen IPv4 space from > some unnamed individual? And has he named that individual in his lawsuit > filing? And is that individual yet a *second* crooked AFRINIC insider > (in addition to Ernest) who the Board and management are now protecting > from embarassing public exposure? > > It's certainly clear that Mr. Cohen has *some* sort of leverage which has > been keeping AFRINIC management and staff from taking any meaningful action > to un-do his blatant thefts for more than seven months now. Could that > leverage be that his legal filings expose the name of a second high-level > crooked AFRINIC insider? Has Mr. Cohen been blackmailing the AFRINIC > Board, or AFRINIC management, threatening to reveal the names of other > and additional crooked AFRINIC insiders all this time? > > Not that any of this even matters. The bottom line is that for months > on end now, the available evidence clearly indicates that AFRINIC > management and staff have been studiously *avoiding* taking control > back from Mr. Cohen of any of his many stolen legacy blocks *and* > the AFRINIC Board is now playing hide-and-seek with the legal filings > in this alleged lawsuit, refusing to even show them to the dues-paying > members. The net effects of these actions and inactions is that AFRINIC > is effectively working *with* Mr. Cohen, insuring that he can continue > to use his stolen IPv4 assets and also insuring that whatever secrets > are contained in his legal filings are kept carefully under lock and key > and away from even the due-paying members who are also, by implication, > themselves targets of Mr. Cohen's lawsuit. > > One does not have to be either an Einstein or a Sherlock Holmes to see > that there is some REALLY dodgy stuff going on here. Anybody with half > a brain who just asks the obvious questions can see that. > > But I guess this is the African way, i.e. corruption and back-room dealing > are apparently the accepted norm, even after a senior member of AFRINIC > staff (i.e. Mr. Ernest) was caught red handed with his fingers in the till. > > Still, I can at least hope that the dues-paying members will at least be > clear about one thing: > > Mr. Cohen is *still* making money, hand over fist, off of his prized > collection of stolen AFRINIC legacy blocks, even as we speak. And as far > as I can tell, neither the AFRINIC Board, nor AFRINIC management, nor > AFRINIC staff have lifted a finger, in over seven months now, to do a > single damn thing about that. And worse yet, when I have tried to make > reasonable inquiries about these ongoing thefts, both AFRINIC management > and AFRINIC staff have utterly stonewalled me, just as they are also > doing now to the membership, i.e. by holding on very tightly to the > "secret" lawsuit that Mr. Cohen has allegedly filed against AFRINIC. > > If the membership is just going to allow this kind of crooked activity > to go on and on and on, and never demand answers from management or the > Board, then I guess that Africans really are, as Mr. Adiel Akplogan > so eloquently put it, some years ago, "bird brains" and very easily > duped and defrauded. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. To anyone who may be tempted to say that I am just some sort of > a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist, and that I have no basis for asserting > any the possibilities that I have outlined above, I would like to just > remind them that this is also what was said about me back in 2016 and > 2017 when I first desperately tried to get SOMEONE, i.e. ANYONE in the > AFRINIC Board, or AFRINIC management, or AFRINIC staff, or in the entire > AFRINIC community to sit up and take notice of what was then and what > still is a huge theft of AFRINIC resources, all enabled, quite clearly, > by *multiple* crooked AFRINIC insiders. > > So go ahead! Call me a wlid-eyed conspiracy theorist! I don't really > care. At this point I will be more than happy to stack up *my* reputation > for honesty, integrity, and straight dealing against that of the AFRINIC > Board and management and staff any day of the week and twice on Sunday. > > Unlike them, I don't have any reason to lie or to obfuscate or to try to > hide the truth. And I have a WAY better track record of finding and > exposing the truth than they do. > > > P.P.S. I hope that I am also not the only one who has noticed that > absolutely -zero- information has been available from either AFRINIC > or from the Mauritian police regarding any efforts to bring Ernest > Byaruhanga to the bar of justice, to answer for his confessed crimes. > > Again, I guess that this also is just the African way. A corrupt official > steals millions, is dismissed, and everyone just rolls over and goes back > to sleep... until the next time. That's how easy it is to defraud "bird > brains". > > Africans are welcome to have as much corruption as you all are willing > to tolerate. And apparently, you are willing to tolerate a lot. > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > From geier at geier.ne.tz Thu Aug 20 05:41:38 2020 From: geier at geier.ne.tz (Frank Habicht) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:41:38 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <42f227eb-7700-310d-5aec-9d7ebde8934b@geier.ne.tz> References: <15658.1597884159@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <42f227eb-7700-310d-5aec-9d7ebde8934b@geier.ne.tz> Message-ID: <4eef834b-c6a9-8d7b-0820-5e6d7834babe@geier.ne.tz> On 20/08/2020 07:52, Frank Habicht wrote: > Now an observation I just made: > from Feb 2007 until May 2014 "ORG-IA41-AFRINIC" was an LIR! > and a change from LIR to "MEMBER-ONLY" (at 2014-05-26 13:15) should have > come with removal of all resources, I believe. But this change to "MEMBER-ONLY" seems to be 2.5 months after the ORG received a /14 block. Surely that was a substantial saving for ORG "ORG-IA41-AFRINIC". And not for AfriNIC. Frank From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Thu Aug 20 06:44:11 2020 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:44:11 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: I've some points here: 1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? Or it happened before that policy existed? 2) Were those transfers inter-RIR? 3) In any case, were those transfers authorized by the staff (according to the CPM)? If any of those questions indicate that the CPM has not been followed, all those resources should be claimed back and the involved resource-holders should lose their rights and the membership account closed, right? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 19/8/20 23:04, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribi?: For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due course. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Aug 20 08:35:39 2020 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:35:39 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: References: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: Jordi, ?All the involved resource-holders should lose their rights? This assumes that the resource-holders who have legitimate rights to the IP space had any awareness of the transfers ? which in this case is not reality ? the transfers were illegitimate the IP space was stolen from the resource holders. So ? what you are proposing is to penalize those who had resources stolen from them without their consent or knowledge. I point out that it has already been public acknowledgement over the fact that there are criminal proceedings on going against a former member of staff who was allegedly involved in the theft of these resources ? please ? lets not fan the flames by making inflammatory suggestions that don?t take into account all of the facts as currently known. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 09:44 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued I've some points here: 1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? Or it happened before that policy existed? 2) Were those transfers inter-RIR? 3) In any case, were those transfers authorized by the staff (according to the CPM)? If any of those questions indicate that the CPM has not been followed, all those resources should be claimed back and the involved resource-holders should lose their rights and the membership account closed, right? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 19/8/20 23:04, "Ronald F. Guilmette" > escribi?: For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due course. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Aug 20 08:46:00 2020 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <4eef834b-c6a9-8d7b-0820-5e6d7834babe@geier.ne.tz> References: <15658.1597884159@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <42f227eb-7700-310d-5aec-9d7ebde8934b@geier.ne.tz> <4eef834b-c6a9-8d7b-0820-5e6d7834babe@geier.ne.tz> Message-ID: As far as I know, EU-PI, as Frank has already stated, are end users with provider independent space - an entirely legitimate category. Member-Only MAY refer to legacy resource organizations - I.E those who have legacy resources that, because of their legacy status, are not billed for, and hold no other resources. Hence, if space was transferred in during the migration from other RIR's into AfriNIC, it is possible that they have this designation. However, there is no way that an organization should receive an allocation from AfriNIC beyond the process sthat occurred to transfer in resources, and then be given this designation - that would almost certainly equate to a total fee waiver, and I would like to see the justification for such while the rest of us pay our fees. Of course, some of this is supposition, and I would like to hear from the board if what I have stated above is actually accurate regarding the member only organisations. Thanks Andrew From: Frank Habicht Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 08:42 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? On 20/08/2020 07:52, Frank Habicht wrote: > Now an observation I just made: > from Feb 2007 until May 2014 "ORG-IA41-AFRINIC" was an LIR! > and a change from LIR to "MEMBER-ONLY" (at 2014-05-26 13:15) should have > come with removal of all resources, I believe. But this change to "MEMBER-ONLY" seems to be 2.5 months after the ORG received a /14 block. Surely that was a substantial saving for ORG "ORG-IA41-AFRINIC". And not for AfriNIC. Frank _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Thu Aug 20 08:49:47 2020 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:49:47 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: References: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, May be an English nit, but in Spanish when I say ?involved? in this context, it means ?those that participated in the illegal/against the CPM action?. The CPM and RSA allows the board for those ?involved? to cancel the account. No need for waiting for any courts decision. I understand this is what has been done, I was just wondering if we were in case 1, 2, or 3. I think it will be good to know and this is not information that need to be hidden until the court decision, the community has the right to know that *now*, as it can help to clarify if we need better policies, or whatever, to avoid that in the future. I understand that some resources may have been transferred without the knowledge of the legitimate holders. However, if you?re a holder and you didn?t realized that, it means that you?re not updating your records? It means that you?re not using those resources? Is not all that also against the CPM/RSA? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 20/8/20 10:35, "Andrew Alston" escribi?: Jordi, ?All the involved resource-holders should lose their rights? This assumes that the resource-holders who have legitimate rights to the IP space had any awareness of the transfers ? which in this case is not reality ? the transfers were illegitimate the IP space was stolen from the resource holders. So ? what you are proposing is to penalize those who had resources stolen from them without their consent or knowledge. I point out that it has already been public acknowledgement over the fact that there are criminal proceedings on going against a former member of staff who was allegedly involved in the theft of these resources ? please ? lets not fan the flames by making inflammatory suggestions that don?t take into account all of the facts as currently known. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 09:44 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued I've some points here: 1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? Or it happened before that policy existed? 2) Were those transfers inter-RIR? 3) In any case, were those transfers authorized by the staff (according to the CPM)? If any of those questions indicate that the CPM has not been followed, all those resources should be claimed back and the involved resource-holders should lose their rights and the membership account closed, right? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 19/8/20 23:04, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribi?: For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due course. 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URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Aug 20 08:58:31 2020 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:58:31 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: References: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: Hi Jordi, So, again you?re making suppositions. Firstly ? you are assuming that the people who had their space transferred out from under them would have received any notification whatsoever if this was a database modification ? there is no guarantee of that. Secondly ? you are neglecting the fact that legacy resources are not bound by the same policies and rules and never have been. The logic in this is pretty simple really. Legacy resources were transferred into AfriNIC from other RIR?s. This was done without the willing consent of the holders of said space, and therefore, at least my understanding of this is, you cannot impose the rules of a new organization on someone who had their space transferred to AfriNIC without their willing agreement. To do so would almost certainly be open to challenge, since you are binding someone to a contract that they never agreed to be bound to. Hence ? if the space is legacy ? and they chose not to update the database ? no they are NOT in violation ? because the rules are different when it comes to this space. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 11:50 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued Hi Andrew, May be an English nit, but in Spanish when I say ?involved? in this context, it means ?those that participated in the illegal/against the CPM action?. The CPM and RSA allows the board for those ?involved? to cancel the account. No need for waiting for any courts decision. I understand this is what has been done, I was just wondering if we were in case 1, 2, or 3. I think it will be good to know and this is not information that need to be hidden until the court decision, the community has the right to know that *now*, as it can help to clarify if we need better policies, or whatever, to avoid that in the future. I understand that some resources may have been transferred without the knowledge of the legitimate holders. However, if you?re a holder and you didn?t realized that, it means that you?re not updating your records? It means that you?re not using those resources? Is not all that also against the CPM/RSA? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 20/8/20 10:35, "Andrew Alston" > escribi?: Jordi, ?All the involved resource-holders should lose their rights? This assumes that the resource-holders who have legitimate rights to the IP space had any awareness of the transfers ? which in this case is not reality ? the transfers were illegitimate the IP space was stolen from the resource holders. So ? what you are proposing is to penalize those who had resources stolen from them without their consent or knowledge. I point out that it has already been public acknowledgement over the fact that there are criminal proceedings on going against a former member of staff who was allegedly involved in the theft of these resources ? please ? lets not fan the flames by making inflammatory suggestions that don?t take into account all of the facts as currently known. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 09:44 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued I've some points here: 1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? Or it happened before that policy existed? 2) Were those transfers inter-RIR? 3) In any case, were those transfers authorized by the staff (according to the CPM)? If any of those questions indicate that the CPM has not been followed, all those resources should be claimed back and the involved resource-holders should lose their rights and the membership account closed, right? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 19/8/20 23:04, "Ronald F. Guilmette" > escribi?: For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due course. 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In-Reply-To: <42f227eb-7700-310d-5aec-9d7ebde8934b@geier.ne.tz> Message-ID: <17389.1597915200@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message <42f227eb-7700-310d-5aec-9d7ebde8934b at geier.ne.tz>, Frank Habicht wrote: >"EU" - end user organisations do not give IPs or internet services to >other organisations ("customers"). practically any corporate entity >(that's not an ISP) should fall under this. >Universities - should likely mostly be "EU", but I know already two in >Tanzania alone that are currently listed as LIR... Thank you for your clear and concise explanation. I am still wondering about the meanings of all fo these other org-types... 1871 org-type: LIR 632 org-type: EU-PI 94 org-type: EU-AS 84 org-type: MEMBER-ONLY 10 org-type: OTHER 8 org-type: REGISTERED-MEMBER 6 org-type: ASSOCIATE-MEMBER 5 org-type: RIR 1 org-type: NON-REGISTRY 1 org-type: IANA 1 org-type: other >Now an observation I just made: >from Feb 2007 until May 2014 "ORG-IA41-AFRINIC" was an LIR! >and a change from LIR to "MEMBER-ONLY" (at 2014-05-26 13:15) should have >come with removal of all resources, I believe. The *full* history of the 196.16.0.0/16 block *and* its associated ORG, i.e. ORG-IA41-AFRINIC have actually been deliberately *hidden* from view BY THE AFRINIC STAFF. Some part of the full history has actually been deliberately ERASED from the data base, apparently as part of a cover-up that would implicate certain people. And no, I am NOT talking about Ernest. I am talking about someone else... some other crooked insider within AFRINIC. Madhvi Gokool, who was good friends with Ernest, knows all about this organization and this block (196.16.0.0/14), but she has been told to keep her mouth shut. I have asked her why a part of the history of this block got mysteriously "disappeared" and she refused to talk about it other than to say that yes, some AFRINIC insider had fiddled the records on this in a way so as to make a part of the history "disappear". As I have learned, this kind of "covering up" of the facts is apparently par for the course when it comes to AFRINIC. Both Eddy and Madhvi have consistantly stonewalled me at every turn as I tried to get more information about the full history of all of the many still-stolen legacy blocks that I just posted a list of. This raises the obviously question: Who told them to stonewall and who are they protecting? What is the big secret that is being kept from the community and from the dues-paying AFRINIC members? Given everything that has gone on, and given the checkered history of AFRINIC, including the several scandals that arose even before Jan Vermeulen and I exposed the thefts of Ernest Byaruhanga, one would think and hope that AFRINIC management and the Board would have learned their lesson by now, and that they would now be bending over backwards to err on the side of transparency. But this is NOT what has happened. They are still stonewalling and still hiding the ball. All of the bogus secrecy surrounding the lawsuit filing by Mr. Cohen is only the latest example of these ongoing attempts to cover up the truth so that neither the dues-paying members nor the public will find out the whole truth. Well, I am sick and tired of these games, and you should be too. Regards, rfg From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Thu Aug 20 09:32:55 2020 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:32:55 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: References: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <0D988B76-9AC9-47C5-A9BC-C4A19C58C9FB@consulintel.es> Hi Andrew, I was not speaking referring to *any* of those specific block holders, because even if I read the article some months ago with all the history, I don?t recall if there was sufficient information for each one, if they were all legacy or not, etc. I?m talking in general. Just saying that we should have that information publicly available from AFRINIC, not articles, as a matter of transparency, and that those questions are the ones to be responded. You?re right that legacy holders aren?t bound to our policies, unless they have obtained other resources and signed the RSA, but again, I was talking in general without stating or even knowing if those resources are/aren?t legacy. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 20/8/20 10:58, "Andrew Alston" escribi?: Hi Jordi, So, again you?re making suppositions. Firstly ? you are assuming that the people who had their space transferred out from under them would have received any notification whatsoever if this was a database modification ? there is no guarantee of that. Secondly ? you are neglecting the fact that legacy resources are not bound by the same policies and rules and never have been. The logic in this is pretty simple really. Legacy resources were transferred into AfriNIC from other RIR?s. This was done without the willing consent of the holders of said space, and therefore, at least my understanding of this is, you cannot impose the rules of a new organization on someone who had their space transferred to AfriNIC without their willing agreement. To do so would almost certainly be open to challenge, since you are binding someone to a contract that they never agreed to be bound to. Hence ? if the space is legacy ? and they chose not to update the database ? no they are NOT in violation ? because the rules are different when it comes to this space. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 11:50 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued Hi Andrew, May be an English nit, but in Spanish when I say ?involved? in this context, it means ?those that participated in the illegal/against the CPM action?. The CPM and RSA allows the board for those ?involved? to cancel the account. No need for waiting for any courts decision. I understand this is what has been done, I was just wondering if we were in case 1, 2, or 3. I think it will be good to know and this is not information that need to be hidden until the court decision, the community has the right to know that *now*, as it can help to clarify if we need better policies, or whatever, to avoid that in the future. I understand that some resources may have been transferred without the knowledge of the legitimate holders. However, if you?re a holder and you didn?t realized that, it means that you?re not updating your records? It means that you?re not using those resources? Is not all that also against the CPM/RSA? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 20/8/20 10:35, "Andrew Alston" escribi?: Jordi, ?All the involved resource-holders should lose their rights? This assumes that the resource-holders who have legitimate rights to the IP space had any awareness of the transfers ? which in this case is not reality ? the transfers were illegitimate the IP space was stolen from the resource holders. So ? what you are proposing is to penalize those who had resources stolen from them without their consent or knowledge. I point out that it has already been public acknowledgement over the fact that there are criminal proceedings on going against a former member of staff who was allegedly involved in the theft of these resources ? please ? lets not fan the flames by making inflammatory suggestions that don?t take into account all of the facts as currently known. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 09:44 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued I've some points here: 1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? Or it happened before that policy existed? 2) Were those transfers inter-RIR? 3) In any case, were those transfers authorized by the staff (according to the CPM)? If any of those questions indicate that the CPM has not been followed, all those resources should be claimed back and the involved resource-holders should lose their rights and the membership account closed, right? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 19/8/20 23:04, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribi?: For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due course. 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Guilmette) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:08:19 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <17881.1597918099@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? No. These are all ancient "legacy" allocations. The allocations were awarded even before ARIN existed, let alone AFRINIC, which came along many years after ARIN. Regards, rfg From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Thu Aug 20 10:13:42 2020 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:13:42 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: <17881.1597918099@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <17881.1597918099@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <96D1CD21-D691-4349-8C23-AD1C1A683C74@consulintel.es> Tks! However, unless I got it wrong, and again, talking in general, when legacy resource-holders sign the RSA they are bound to it as well (never mind if you're are the source or the destination of the transfer). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 20/8/20 12:10, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribi?: In message , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? No. These are all ancient "legacy" allocations. The allocations were awarded even before ARIN existed, let alone AFRINIC, which came along many years after ARIN. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Aug 20 10:38:04 2020 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:38:04 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: <96D1CD21-D691-4349-8C23-AD1C1A683C74@consulintel.es> References: <17881.1597918099@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <96D1CD21-D691-4349-8C23-AD1C1A683C74@consulintel.es> Message-ID: And this gets even more complicated. Please remember that all attachments to all tickets pre a certain date at AfriNIC were lost in a data corruption incident, hence ? if most of these organizations ever signed an RSA ? AfriNIC almost certainly doesn?t have it. Also ? when these transfers were initially done ? no one asked the people who had the space transferred in to sign the RSA at that point that I know of, so if they DID sign it at the time of the inbound transfer, it?s probably gone, but chances are ? they never did It?s actually an interesting situation ? since a vast amount of application data is also missing ? and so the clauses in the RSA that state that you must use the space as applied for ? well ? who?s to know what the space was applied for ? or the justifications given ? the data for a ton of these applications is missing ? gone forever. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 13:14 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued Tks! However, unless I got it wrong, and again, talking in general, when legacy resource-holders sign the RSA they are bound to it as well (never mind if you're are the source or the destination of the transfer). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 20/8/20 12:10, "Ronald F. Guilmette" > escribi?: In message >, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > wrote: >1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? No. These are all ancient "legacy" allocations. The allocations were awarded even before ARIN existed, let alone AFRINIC, which came along many years after ARIN. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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URL: From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Thu Aug 20 11:00:29 2020 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:00:29 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: References: <17881.1597918099@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <96D1CD21-D691-4349-8C23-AD1C1A683C74@consulintel.es> Message-ID: <7773279C-E483-421F-B9A9-D22EEC379379@consulintel.es> I don?t know if that has been done, but my guess is that after the data lost, AFRINIC should have taken actions to ask the resources-holders to re-submit copies of the documents if they want to keep the resources or services or even keep participating in member processes (even mailings lists). (of course, if they only had legacy resources is not the case, but maybe they want to keep some services anyway ?) Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 20/8/20 12:38, "Andrew Alston" escribi?: And this gets even more complicated. Please remember that all attachments to all tickets pre a certain date at AfriNIC were lost in a data corruption incident, hence ? if most of these organizations ever signed an RSA ? AfriNIC almost certainly doesn?t have it. Also ? when these transfers were initially done ? no one asked the people who had the space transferred in to sign the RSA at that point that I know of, so if they DID sign it at the time of the inbound transfer, it?s probably gone, but chances are ? they never did It?s actually an interesting situation ? since a vast amount of application data is also missing ? and so the clauses in the RSA that state that you must use the space as applied for ? well ? who?s to know what the space was applied for ? or the justifications given ? the data for a ton of these applications is missing ? gone forever. Andrew From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 13:14 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued Tks! However, unless I got it wrong, and again, talking in general, when legacy resource-holders sign the RSA they are bound to it as well (never mind if you're are the source or the destination of the transfer). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 20/8/20 12:10, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribi?: In message , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? No. These are all ancient "legacy" allocations. The allocations were awarded even before ARIN existed, let alone AFRINIC, which came along many years after ARIN. 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Message-ID: Hello, >From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth shut. Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. Jane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From silber.mike at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 15:16:13 2020 From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:16:13 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A@gmail.com> Jane Ad hominem attacks such as these are not welcome on this list or in this community. While Mr Guilmette expressed his disappointment at the fact that his queries were not responded to in a transparent manner - I did not see any allegation such as you have made. Please retract this offensive accusation, or stop hiding behind an anonymous email address, reveal yourself and provide evidence for your accusation. Mike > On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:52, A.T Jane wrote: > > Hello, > > From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. > > It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth shut. > > Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. > > Jane > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From omo.oaiya at wacren.net Thu Aug 20 15:23:00 2020 From: omo.oaiya at wacren.net (Omo Oaiya) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:23:00 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A@gmail.com> References: <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <342922C1-1013-4B54-BB64-B4A7B35A11CD@wacren.net> Thanks, Mike. I was just about to write similar. Omo > On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:16, Mike Silber wrote: > > Jane > > Ad hominem attacks such as these are not welcome on this list or in this community. > > While Mr Guilmette expressed his disappointment at the fact that his queries were not responded to in a transparent manner - I did not see any allegation such as you have made. > > Please retract this offensive accusation, or stop hiding behind an anonymous email address, reveal yourself and provide evidence for your accusation. > > Mike > >> On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:52, A.T Jane wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. >> >> It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth shut. >> >> Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. >> >> Jane >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From noah at neo.co.tz Thu Aug 20 15:55:30 2020 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:55:30 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jane, Its rather difficult to give sock puppets any serious attention. Noah On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 18:02 A.T Jane, wrote: > Hello, > > From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources > Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to > conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall > still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s > obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. > > It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he > knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth > shut. > > Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing > absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. > > Jane > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Thu Aug 20 16:07:26 2020 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued In-Reply-To: References: <14779.1597870855@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: > On Aug 20, 2020, at 01:58 , Andrew Alston wrote: > > Hi Jordi, > > So, again you?re making suppositions. > > Firstly ? you are assuming that the people who had their space transferred out from under them would have received any notification whatsoever if this was a database modification ? there is no guarantee of that. > Secondly ? you are neglecting the fact that legacy resources are not bound by the same policies and rules and never have been. The logic in this is pretty simple really. Legacy resources were transferred into AfriNIC from other RIR?s. This was done without the willing consent of the holders of said space, and therefore, at least my understanding of this is, you cannot impose the rules of a new organization on someone who had their space transferred to AfriNIC without their willing agreement. To do so would almost certainly be open to challenge, since you are binding someone to a contract that they never agreed to be bound to. This gets tricky? In theory, AfriNIC is a successor in interest to the contract with the prior registries. Where this is a problem is in that there is no actual contract, only a somewhat implied contract which gets even trickier because the implied contract mutated over time and so virtually every legacy holder has a different idea of what that is. OTOH, one can also argue that AFRINIC has no obligation to honor a contract with a legacy resource holder since AFRINIC didn?t enter into any sort of contract with said legacy holder, either. IP addresses are integers, not property. AFRINIC technically doesn?t hand out IP Addresses, it records registrations associating numbers to organizations in order to help insure uniqueness within a certain boundary. That boundary is the set of organizations cooperating with the RIR system for internet addressing. Any organization can use any address it wants on any network that will accept their use. There is no force of law or regulation in most jurisdictions that will prevent this. The accepted norm of treating the RIR databases as authoritative and cooperating with them is a functional expedient and nothing more. It would be destructive to the internet and to the RIR system in general if the RIRs were to start arbitrarily deleting legacy registrations, so I think it very unlikely that they would do so. However, to argue that they have a contractual obligation not to do so is an interesting perspective given the lack of contract you describe above. > Hence ? if the space is legacy ? and they chose not to update the database ? no they are NOT in violation ? because the rules are different when it comes to this space. From the very earliest days, updating the database was a requirement of receiving an address registration. It may not have been spelled out explicitly in a contract, but it was certainly an expected norm of behavior at least. Owen > > Andrew > > > From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 11:50 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued > > Hi Andrew, > > May be an English nit, but in Spanish when I say ?involved? in this context, it means ?those that participated in the illegal/against the CPM action?. > > > The CPM and RSA allows the board for those ?involved? to cancel the account. No need for waiting for any courts decision. I understand this is what has been done, I was just wondering if we were in case 1, 2, or 3. I think it will be good to know and this is not information that need to be hidden until the court decision, the community has the right to know that *now*, as it can help to clarify if we need better policies, or whatever, to avoid that in the future. > > I understand that some resources may have been transferred without the knowledge of the legitimate holders. However, if you?re a holder and you didn?t realized that, it means that you?re not updating your records? It means that you?re not using those resources? Is not all that also against the CPM/RSA? > > Regards, > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > El 20/8/20 10:35, "Andrew Alston" > escribi?: > > Jordi, > > ?All the involved resource-holders should lose their rights? > > This assumes that the resource-holders who have legitimate rights to the IP space had any awareness of the transfers ? which in this case is not reality ? the transfers were illegitimate the IP space was stolen from the resource holders. So ? what you are proposing is to penalize those who had resources stolen from them without their consent or knowledge. > > I point out that it has already been public acknowledgement over the fact that there are criminal proceedings on going against a former member of staff who was allegedly involved in the theft of these resources ? please ? lets not fan the flames by making inflammatory suggestions that don?t take into account all of the facts as currently known. > > Andrew > > > > From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > > Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 09:44 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued > > I've some points here: > > 1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy? Or it happened before that policy existed? > 2) Were those transfers inter-RIR? > 3) In any case, were those transfers authorized by the staff (according to the CPM)? > > If any of those questions indicate that the CPM has not been followed, all those resources should be claimed back and the involved resource-holders should lose their rights and the membership account closed, right? > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > ?El 19/8/20 23:04, "Ronald F. Guilmette" > escribi?: > > For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html > > As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due > course. > > > Regards, > rfg > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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URL: From rfg at tristatelogic.com Thu Aug 20 16:23:11 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:23:11 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19576.1597940591@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A at gmail.com>, Mike Silber wrote: >Ad hominem attacks such as these are not welcome on this list or in this community. > >While Mr Guilmette expressed his disappointment at the fact that his queries were not responded to in a transparent manner - I did not see any allegation such as you have made. I did far more than merely expressing my disappointment at the utter lack of transparency. I said quite plainly that I have been stonewalled for months by AFRINIC management and staff AND that I have no idea why AFRINIC is (purportedly) being sued by Mr. Cohen, since AFRINIC management and staff have allowed Mr. Cohen to keep nearly 100% of his stolen booty for more than 8.5 months now.... a clear and provable fact for which no one has yet provided *any* explanation. (Jan Vermeulen's big article about all of the thefts in AFRINIC was published on December 4th, 2019. That was actually a full 8.5 months ago!) Mike, rather than haranguing this A.T. Jane person for bad manners, why don't you, as a member of the community, start asking some of the questions that I have asked, and that management and the board are all clearly quite reluctant to provide answers for, such as: *) Why after 8.5 months have none of the legacy block illicit WHOIS modifications been undone? Who is responsible for un-doing these illicit changes to the WHOIS and why hasn't that person been doing their job? Isn't Eddy the ultimate responsible party here? What is his excuse for allowing these problems to languish, with no end in sight? *) What is Mr. Cohen -actually- suing AFRINIC for? AFRINIC management and staff have -provably- allowed Mr. Cohen to keep nearly all of his ill-gotten booty... all except the parts that the actual legacy holders themselves took back (e.g. Sasol, the City of Cape Town, and Columbus Stainless). So why on earth would Cohen be suing AFRINIC? *) Why has every single reasonable request I have made, e.g. for historical WHOIS information needed to complete my investigation of these matters, been consistantly and 100% stonewalled by both Eddy and Madhvi? *) Who permanently "disappeared" part of the WHOIS history for the 196.16.0.0/14 block, and why? *) Why is the legal complaint in this alleged legal action, by Mr. Cohen, and against AFRINIC, being kept secret from both the public and even from the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who have a clear right to see it? And why do the dues-paying members of AFRINIC even tolerate this attempt to hide the facts which they have a right to know? More to the point, who is benefitting from this attempt by management and/or the board to hide the full facts from the dues-paying members? *) Who did Mr. Cohen allegedly "buy" all of the stolen legacy blcoks from? It had to be some AFRINIC insider... someone who could fiddle the WHOIS records at will. So who ELSE, in addition to Ernest, has been profiting from the looting of AFRINIC? *) Who else did Ernest implicate when he was confronted with the evidence of his crimes by the board and management at the AFRINIC meeting in Luanda, Angola in early December, 2019? Mike, rather than spending your electrons chastizing list posters for their bad manners, wouldn't it be a more productive use of your time to join me in seeking answers to the above unanswered questions? Don't you think that it is about time that this colossal mess and this colossal and ongoing scandal finally got cleaned up, and isn't it already well past time for the full facts to be revealed and disclosed, at least to the dues-paying members? Or should things just continue to go on they way they have been, with AFRINIC still crooked and still a worldwide object of scorn and ridicule? It's your RiR and your choice. The members can just continue to turn a blind eye to all of this, but you cannot now do so without without knowing, for certain, that MANY facts and answers are being deliberately hidden. Regards, rfg From ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:47:36 2020 From: ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com (Anthony Ubah) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:47:36 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: * Hello Owen,* Thank you for your kind feedback and my apologies about the apparently Lousy format, the original text was arranged in a table (Thus document attached) 1. About your comment on 6.1, I partially agree. For the term about ?corporation?, I am fine with using a different term, such as ?company/organization?. As to your suggested alternative, I would suggest the following: (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which is a user of Internet Number Resources. The reason being that since Internet Resources is a public resource in the first place, membership should not be based on geographical boundaries. BUT do note that this is just a proposal on the eligibility of membership (i.e. qualified to apply to be a member or not, but not an automatic membership). 2. About your comment on 6.4, I think there is a slight misunderstanding. Allow me to clarify. I?m proposing to delete the original words of 6.4(i) only, which reads: ?justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC?. AFRINIC is a registry and it should not necessarily be their business to scrutinize why an entity is applying to use the Internet Number Resources and how they are going to use it. I think AFRINIC staff should not be the one to wield the power/control as to how resources are to be distributed. So I?m merely proposing to delete the requirement of ?justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC?. 3. About your comment on 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii), after taking your views into consideration, I?d like to propose an alternative. I can understand where you are coming from, but the main goal for my submission is to remove the Board?s arbitrary power, which is currently empowered by the words of ?acting reasonably and in good faith?(to which there is no safeguard or a general rule of thumb to determine whether the Board is acting ultra vires under the guise of ?acting reasonably and in good faith?). As such, I?d like to propose an alternative to my first proposal for 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii): (a) For 8.2(ii), to add the following words in parenthesis ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies;? (b) For 8.3(iii), to add the following words in parenthesis ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company;? With this alternative, my purpose is to have the Board at least act in accordance to something which is approved by the community instead of having the power to act on an arbitrary basis. 4. About your comment on 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv), I hereby propose an alternative. Similar to my reasons for 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii), the purpose is to either (i)remove the Board?s arbitrary power or (ii)to at least have the Board act in accordance to something which is approved by the community. Either way, it is to mainly remove the possibility of the Board abusing its power (even if it is practically unlikely). As such, I?d like to propose an alternative to my first proposal for 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv): a) For 8.2(iii), to add the following words in parenthesis and delete the stroked words ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC) community, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board .?(delete)** b) For 8.3(iv), to add the following words in parenthesis and delete the stroked words ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution **or any applicable rule made by the Board?(delete) ** 5. About your comment on 8.4, I respectfully disagree. Even if it?s practically unlikely but the original wordings of 8.4 does leave such a possibility from happening. The purpose of this proposal for 8.4 is to make it fairer for Resource and Associate Member in the event if an incident (which leads to the termination of membership) is caused by a third party or an event that is beyond the Resource and Associate Member?s control (?Unexpected Event?). I don?t see any harm that can be done if such a third party or an Unexpected Event did actually happen and an innocent Associate/Resource Member is allowed to prove its innocence and is fairly spared from paying any fees unjustly that was not caused by the Associate/Resource Member. Whereas, the same cannot be said if the original wordings of 8.4 is maintained. Just a brief analogy, if a car accident isn?t caused by me then it will be unfair to expect me to compensate the other party. But if a car accident is in fact caused by me, then it is fair and expected for me to do whatever is necessary to compensate the other party. This is just to introduce a safeguard for the Associate and Resource Member under 8.4 in circumstances where they are actually innocent due to an unforeseeable/unimaginable incident which is not caused by them. 6. About your comment on 8.5, but what happens to the end-users? Won?t they be heavily affected? The main reason for proposing my amendments for 8.5 is to ensure that end-users will not be affected. Do you not think it will cause a global chaos if the Resource Member is required to return the resources allocated to it by AFRINIC? If you have any suggestions for an alternative, I?m willing to hear and be enlightened. I?ll stop here for now, and I do appreciate your feedback. Best Regards, Anthony On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:54 PM wrote: > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. AFRINC being sued (Ronald F. Guilmette) > 2. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Owen DeLong) > 3. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Noah) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:55 -0700 > From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued > Message-ID: <14779.1597870855 at segfault.tristatelogic.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... > > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html > > As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due > course. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:11:05 -0700 > From: Owen DeLong > To: Antone Bahu > Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net, AFRINIC Communication > , govcom at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw > review > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This is a pretty lousy format for soliciting comments because there?s no > good way to put them inline. > > 6.1 Corporate should at the vary least be changed to ?corporation? as > corporate is an adjective describing something which relates to a > corporation (e.g. corporate membership) while corporation is the noun (e.g. > corporate memberships are only available to corporations). > > Personally i disagree with this. There are many companies which are not > corporations. I suggest instead using the term. > > Further I think that the proposed wording creates several potential > chicken and egg issues. How does one comply with the policies before > becoming a member and getting resources? > > I would suggest instead that the following is a superior alternative: > (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which has a > nexus in the AFRINIC service region and is a user of Internet Number > Resources. > > If additional limitation is desired, one could add the clause ? directly > issued to the person or organization by AFRINIC? at the end of the sentence. > > I would also suggest deleting (ii) as I believe this change would render > it anachronistic. > > 6.4 ? As worded, you create an interesting loophole (absent my suggestion > for additional limitations above)? > With the proposed wording in sections 6.1 and 6.4, one could argue the > case that if one has no AFRINIC resources > and merely signs the RSA and does not violate any policies, one is > entitled to voting membership as a resource > member for $0 per year as without resources, that does constitute the > relevant step and membership fees related > to their zero resources allocated/assigned. > > While I agree that this is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum argument, > courts have enforced far more > ridiculous and baseless claims in history. > > 8.2(ii) and 8.3(ii) ? The wording here is absurd. A judgment call as to > whether policy has been violated or not is required here. > A policy itself cannot make such a judgment call. A policy is entirely a > passive thing incapable of action or > decision by itself. Some body of people must implement, enforce, and/or > adjudicate any such policy. > > If you don?t want the board involved here, then assign it to staff or to > the PDWG, or to a vote of the > membership writ large or whoever you want, but you must appoint a trier of > fact to make these judgments. > You cannot blindly defer to the policy itself as if policy was capable of > intervening in a members status > without action by humans. > > 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv) ? So do we wish to simply allow a member who violates > the constitution or other rules to continue > as a member in good standing? This form of abuse strikes me as far more > likely to occur and much harder > to address without something taking the place of 8.2(iii). If you want to > take this authority out of the hands > of the board, fine, but you must then place it elsewhere or accept the > anarchy that is the inevitable result. > > I have no issue with the deletion of 8.2(v) and 8.3(vi). > > The proposed edit to 8.4 is unwieldy, poorly written, and IMHO, > unnecessary. Please describe a reasonable or likely > scenario where a resource member would face termination of their > membership that they did not cause. I cannot > see any scenario in which this is possible, let alone likely. Perhaps I > lack imagination, so please if I am wrong, > enlighten me. > > I absolutely object to the suggested edit to 8.5. You are literally saying > that one can (1) Obtain resources, (2) deploy > those resources (3) decide to stop paying fees for those resources and > then because they are deployed, (4) keep > those resources in perpetuity. That?s ridiculous and would bankrupt the > organization very quickly. Why would anyone > ever pay a renewal fee under such a regulation? > > I will try to review the rest of the proposal later, I?m out of time for > now, but that should provide some grist for the > discussion mill in the mean time. > > Owen > > > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 13:20 , Antone Bahu > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and > colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw > review. I pondered on how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows > community opinion to be presented in an even better way. > > > > Thus, I have a few inputs; > > > > > > > > Existing Provisions > > > > > > Proposed Amendments > > > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 6.1 > > Membership shall be open to: > > > > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing > services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or > business of providing, open system protocol network services; or > > > > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. > > > > > > To amend Article 6.1 > > (i) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which complies with Internet > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community > > > > > > > > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the > current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting > geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. > > 6.4 > > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > the following formalities cumulatively: > > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to > AFRINIC > > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and > > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number > Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > > To amend Article 6.4 by deleting the provisions under (i), so that > Article 6.4 reads as follows: > > > > Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > the following formalities cumulatively: > > (i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement > > (ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet > Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in > policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs > to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are > distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.2 (ii) > > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: > > > > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that > the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to > membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources > Management Policies; > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > (ii) the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, > determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for > admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number > Resources Management Policies; > > > > > > > > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC > community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet > Resources Policy-related matters. > > > > 8.2(iii) > > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that > the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Propose to be deleted. > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > basis. > > > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.2(v) > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably > and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any > time it desires. > > > > > > 8.3(iii) > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate > membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, > determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for > admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > basis. > > > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.3(iv) > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > basis. > > > > 8.3(vi) > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably > and in good faith, shall determine from time to time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any > time it desires. > > > > > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.4 > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any > fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall > not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > whether in whole or in part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so that it reads as follows: > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any > fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall > not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > whether in whole or in part, whilst subjected to the condition that unless > the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the > Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be > entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in > whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case. > > > > > > > > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and > unclear. > > > > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is > not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent > Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This > is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is > one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.5 > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > resources allocated to it by the Company. > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > resources allocated to it by the Company, unless such resources is already > allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the > Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership. > > > > > > > > To avoid disruption to end-user. > > > > 11.4 > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such > policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it > considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the > proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 but subject to Article > 11.5, the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of > internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and > urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these > resources. > > > > > > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be > read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to > ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a > whole. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 11.5(ii) > > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following > its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior > to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > endorsed or there is lack of response from the community, the said policy > shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; > however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such > non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > **bold stroked words = to be deleted > > > > > > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 > then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any > response from the community. > > > > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the > community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board > implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the > community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the > Board. > > > > > > 12.4 > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > proceedings at that Meeting. > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > proceedings at that Meeting, provided that such accidental omission to give > notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault > of the Board. > > > > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. > > > > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure > to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board > shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. > > > > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant > Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda > whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with > the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to > abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 15.3 > > Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the > Directors shall be entitled to: > > (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to > members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined > through the consensus of the Members. > > > > The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant > meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the > determination of the allocation guidelines. > > > > > > > > 22.2 > > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any > surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, > the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or > transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects > similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus > shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of > such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the > Board. > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any > surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, > the surplus shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual > decision of the members. The institution to which the surplus shall be > transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such > determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the > members. > > > > > > > > > > > > The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the > surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. > > The board should not be the one deciding. > > > > > > I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took > their time to read it. > > Find attached. > > Best Regards, > > > > ANTHONY > > > > anthony.ubah at goldspine.com .ng > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM AFRINIC Communication > wrote: > > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] > > > > Dear Members and Community, > > > > The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions > of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. > > > > In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well > as proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the > Community. > > > > Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, > the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table ( > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf < > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf>) > containing its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the > rationale added thereto. > > > > The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the > aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat ( > govcom at afrinic.net ) any further comment(s) > before the final document is produced. However, please note that the > present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This > is an opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being > proposed. > > > > The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable > contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to continuous > beneficial engagement. > > > > Regards, > > Abdalla Omari > > Chair, Governance Committee > > > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > > > Chers membres et communaut?, > > > > Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions > existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le > cas ?ch?ant. > > > > Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses > parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des > propositions de modification. > > > > En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de > ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau ( > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf < > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf>) > contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, > accompagn?es de leurs justifications. > > > > Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des > propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat ( > govcom at afrinic.net ) tout commentaire > suppl?mentaire avant la production du document final. Toutefois, veuillez > noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? > pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une > occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les > amendements propos?s. > > > > Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa > pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de > b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. > > > > Tr?s cordialement, > > Abdalla Omari > > Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance > > > > ?????????.. > > > > ??????? ??????? ???????? ? > > > > ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? > AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. > > > > ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? > ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. > > > > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ???? > GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ( > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf < > https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf>) > ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. > > > > ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? > ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net > ) ??? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? > ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? > ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. > > > > ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? > ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. > > > > ?? ??????? > > ??????? ?????? > > ???? ???? ??????? > > > > ???????????????????. > > > > > > Caros Membros e Comunidade, > > > > O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes > dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando necess?rio. > > > > Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem > como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a > Comunidade. > > > > Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das > suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de > quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos > Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. > > > > O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das > referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado > quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No > entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas > propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as > emendas que est?o a ser propostas. > > > > O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa > contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um > compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. > > > > Cumprimentos, > > Abdalla Omari > > Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o > > > > ????????. > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss < > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/attachments/20200819/fed044e7/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:53:04 +0300 > From: Noah > To: Anthony Ubah > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > govcom at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw > review > Message-ID: > Hg_q0Z2+wGF_-g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Ubah > > Before I could read further, I ran into the below statement in quotes. > > "AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion.". > > I disagree categorically with the above rationale and it's not new because > we as a community have in the past had similar arguments of how AfriNIC is > somehow a book keeper from a certain member of the community which goes to > undermine AfriNICs role in the Internet ecosystem. > > Noah > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, 23:06 Anthony Ubah, wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and > colleagues, > > who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I > > pondered how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community > > opinion to be presented in an even better way. > > > > Thus, I have a few inputs; > > > > > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > > > > > > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *6.1* > > > > Membership shall be open to: > > > > > > > > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services > > in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of > > providing, open system protocol network services; or > > > > > > > > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend *Article 6.1* > > > > *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: > > > > > > > > Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet > > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the > > current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. > > > > > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet > > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting > > geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most > here. > > > > *6.4* > > > > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) > > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > > the following formalities cumulatively: > > > > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to > > AFRINIC > > > > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and > > > > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number > > Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > > > > > > To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that > > Article 6.4 reads as follows: > > > > > > > > *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) > > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > > the following formalities cumulatively:* > > > > *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* > > > > *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet > > Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration > Service.* > > > > > > > > > > > > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related > > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. > > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed > shall > > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.2** (ii)* > > > > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: > > > > > > > > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to > membership > > of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management > > Policies; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > > > > > (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC > community*, > > determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for > > admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number > > Resources Management Policies; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC > > community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in > Internet > > Resources Policy-related matters. > > > > > > > > *8.2**(iii)* > > > > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that > the > > Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > this > > Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Propose to be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in > good > > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > > basis. > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.2**(v)* > > > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably > and > > in good faith, shall determine from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time > > it desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > *8.3**(iii)* > > > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to > Associate > > membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > > > > > *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, > > determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for > > admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in > good > > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > > basis. > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.3**(iv)* > > > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in > good > > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > > basis. > > > > > > > > *8.3**(vi)* > > > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably > and > > in good faith, shall determine from time to time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time > > it desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.4* > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any > fees > > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not > > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > > whether in whole or in part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so that it reads as follows: > > > > > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any > fees > > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not > > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > > whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that > > unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused > by > > the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member > > shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, > > whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each > > case.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and > > unclear. > > > > > > > > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is > not > > caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent > > Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This > > is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is > > one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.5* > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > > resources allocated to it by the Company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > > resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is > > already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to > > the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To avoid disruption to end-user. > > > > > > > > *11.4* > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such > > policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it > > considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the > > proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article > > 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of > > internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary > and > > urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be > > read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to > > ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a > > whole. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *11.5(ii)* > > > > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: > > > > > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > > endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following > > its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy > prior > > to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > > endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said > > policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its > non-endorsement; *however, > > any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement > shall > > remain valid.* > > > > > > > > **bold stroked words = to be deleted > > > > > > > > > > > > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 > > then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any > > response from the community. > > > > > > > > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the > > community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the > Board > > implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the > > community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the > > Board. > > > > > > > > > > > > *12.4* > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member > or > > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > > proceedings at that Meeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member > or > > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > > proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to > > give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the > > fault of the Board.* > > > > > > > > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. > > > > > > > > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure > to > > receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board > shall > > take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. > > > > > > > > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant > > Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda > > whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified > with > > the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead > to > > abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. > > 196.16.0.0/14 block, and why? > > *) Why is the legal complaint in this alleged legal action, by Mr. Cohen, > and against AFRINIC, being kept secret from both the public and even from > the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who have a clear right to see it? And > why do the dues-paying members of AFRINIC even tolerate this attempt to > hide the facts which they have a right to know? More to the point, who > is benefitting from this attempt by management and/or the board to hide > the full facts from the dues-paying members? I suspect a judicious application of Hanlon?s Razor will give you your answer. However, I do understand why the unexplained secrecy leads you to further questions. > > *) Who did Mr. Cohen allegedly "buy" all of the stolen legacy blcoks from? > It had to be some AFRINIC insider... someone who could fiddle the WHOIS > records at will. So who ELSE, in addition to Ernest, has been profiting > from the looting of AFRINIC? I am not sure AfriNIC would have that information and I am not sure your conclusion is justified. Still - absent transparency, I do understand how you got there. > > *) Who else did Ernest implicate when he was confronted with the evidence > of his crimes by the board and management at the AFRINIC meeting in > Luanda, Angola in early December, 2019? How do you know anyone was implicated? > > Mike, rather than spending your electrons chastizing list posters for > their bad manners, wouldn't it be a more productive use of your time > to join me in seeking answers to the above unanswered questions? Don't > you think that it is about time that this colossal mess and this colossal > and ongoing scandal finally got cleaned up, and isn't it already well > past time for the full facts to be revealed and disclosed, at least to > the dues-paying members? I am happy to add my voice to yours, while expressing my disgust as to how a colleague has been treated, without any justification. Regards Mike > > Or should things just continue to go on they way they have been, with > AFRINIC still crooked and still a worldwide object of scorn and ridicule? > > It's your RiR and your choice. The members can just continue to turn a > blind eye to all of this, but you cannot now do so without without knowing, > for certain, that MANY facts and answers are being deliberately hidden. > > > Regards, > rfg > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From noah at neo.co.tz Thu Aug 20 17:35:59 2020 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:35:59 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <19576.1597940591@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A@gmail.com> <19576.1597940591@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: Ronald, On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 19:25 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > *) Why is the legal complaint in this alleged legal action, by Mr. > Cohen, > and against AFRINIC, being kept secret from both the public and even > from > the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who have a clear right to see it? So perhaps you missed emails from the CEO but in his recent email to members and the community he indicated that AfriNIC inlight of your revelations has continued to work on its whois database accuracy, an exercise once completed would ensure some of the issues you have raised are resolved with measures in place to counter any future reoccurrence. Also in terms of the apparent Cohen lawsuit there was an update from the CEO about an interim injunction which was still pending before the Supreme Court in Mauritius. The assumption is therefore that this should be related to the Cohen lawsuit you are referring to. Ultimately this would trickle down to members since court cases attract fees but this will be a discussion for another day. And > why do the dues-paying members of AFRINIC even tolerate this attempt to > hide the facts which they have a right to know? Folks to this end are not tolerating any of this but rather waiting anxiously for the outcome based on the periodic updates the CEO has been sending to both members and the community ref; the issues you raised months ago and recently. > Or should things just continue to go on they way they have been, On the contrary, I doubt any serious folk would tolerate that. We cant jump to further conclusions especially when we dont have all the facts beyond what has been reported by the media and yourself. Its clear that mistakes where made and we expect a full report from the leadership after conclusion of their long investigations. > It's your RiR and your choice. The members can just continue to turn a > blind eye to all of this, but you cannot now do so without without knowing, > for certain, that MANY facts and answers are being deliberately hidden. > We anticipate that this will not be the case as we expect the board and management to eventually provide a final update on this issues. PS: Dont mistake the silence from the community as an indication for condoning this mess. Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blackboythinking at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 17:39:21 2020 From: blackboythinking at gmail.com (Antone Bahu) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:39:21 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jane, A very important thing which I always bear in mind is that this list requires reasonable and sensible discussions. It is true that different people may have different opinions, but we need to respect each other?s way of thinking. Sometimes certain tones are just improper and should not be condoned. Also, I think it is not necessary to stir up fatuous allegations and chaos in this forum. To show respect, one shall always use their real identity instead of hiding under the guise of an alias or pseudonyms. I think that is also an act of respect; being genuine is imperative to a meaningful discussion. This way orderliness will be a culture. I believe everyone?s contribution to this list is valuable if we have respect and rationality. Also, I think it is reasonable for the board and staff to stand up to Ronald on the subject he raised. Kind regards, Anthony On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM A.T Jane wrote: > Hello, > > From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources > Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to > conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall > still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s > obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. > > It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he > knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth > shut. > > Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing > absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. > > Jane > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 18:22:56 2020 From: taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com (Taiwo Oyewande) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:22:56 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9965F0F3-A519-4F79-A624-1E5BF5C7CF16@gmail.com> Hi, I agree on your bylaw review proposal and I appreciate your approach that focuses on the aspect of the the bylaws that seemed to be excluding the community?s voice and thoughts. The board has had a lot of impact on the bottom up process of the community in recent times, I think most of these decisions should be made by the community as the whole process is originally configured. Great effort on this proposal. I will follow the thread closely as I anticipate positive reviews from the post. Kind regards > On 20 Aug 2020, at 17:51, Anthony Ubah wrote: > > ? > Hello Owen, > > Thank you for your kind feedback and my apologies about the apparently Lousy format, the original text was arranged in a table (Thus document attached) > > > > 1. About your comment on 6.1, I partially agree. > > For the term about ?corporation?, I am fine with using a different term, such as ?company/organization?. > > As to your suggested alternative, I would suggest the following: > > (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which is a user of Internet Number Resources. > > The reason being that since Internet Resources is a public resource in the first place, membership should not be based on geographical boundaries. > > BUT do note that this is just a proposal on the eligibility of membership (i.e. qualified to apply to be a member or not, but not an automatic membership). > > > > 2. About your comment on 6.4, I think there is a slight misunderstanding. Allow me to clarify. > I?m proposing to delete the original words of 6.4(i) only, which reads: ?justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC?. > AFRINIC is a registry and it should not necessarily be their business to scrutinize why an entity is applying to use the Internet Number Resources and how they are going to use it. I think AFRINIC staff should not be the one to wield the power/control as to how resources are to be distributed. So I?m merely proposing to delete the requirement of ?justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC?. > > > > 3. About your comment on 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii), after taking your views into consideration, I?d like to propose an alternative. > I can understand where you are coming from, but the main goal for my submission is to remove the Board?s arbitrary power, which is currently empowered by the words of ?acting reasonably and in good faith?(to which there is no safeguard or a general rule of thumb to determine whether the Board is acting ultra vires under the guise of ?acting reasonably and in good faith?). > As such, I?d like to propose an alternative to my first proposal for 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii): > > (a) For 8.2(ii), to add the following words in parenthesis ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies;? > (b) For 8.3(iii), to add the following words in parenthesis ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company;? > With this alternative, my purpose is to have the Board at least act in accordance to something which is approved by the community instead of having the power to act on an arbitrary basis. > > > > 4. About your comment on 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv), I hereby propose an alternative. > Similar to my reasons for 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii), the purpose is to either (i)remove the Board?s arbitrary power or (ii)to at least have the Board act in accordance to something which is approved by the community. Either way, it is to mainly remove the possibility of the Board abusing its power (even if it is practically unlikely). > As such, I?d like to propose an alternative to my first proposal for 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv): > a) For 8.2(iii), to add the following words in parenthesis and delete the stroked words ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC) community, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board .?(delete)** > b) For 8.3(iv), to add the following words in parenthesis and delete the stroked words ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution **or any applicable rule made by the Board?(delete) ** > > > > 5. About your comment on 8.4, I respectfully disagree. > > Even if it?s practically unlikely but the original wordings of 8.4 does leave such a possibility from happening. The purpose of this proposal for 8.4 is to make it fairer for Resource and Associate Member in the event if an incident (which leads to the termination of membership) is caused by a third party or an event that is beyond the Resource and Associate Member?s > control (?Unexpected Event?). > > I don?t see any harm that can be done if such a third party or an Unexpected Event did actually happen and an innocent Associate/Resource Member is allowed to prove its innocence and is fairly spared from paying any fees unjustly that was not caused by the Associate/Resource Member. Whereas, the same cannot be said if the original wordings of 8.4 is maintained. > > Just a brief analogy, if a car accident isn?t caused by me then it will be unfair to expect me to compensate the other party. But if a car accident is in fact caused by me, then it is fair and expected for me to do whatever is necessary to compensate the other party. > This is just to introduce a safeguard for the Associate and Resource Member under 8.4 in circumstances where they are actually innocent due to an unforeseeable/unimaginable incident which is not caused by them. > > > > 6. About your comment on 8.5, but what happens to the end-users? Won?t they be heavily affected? > The main reason for proposing my amendments for 8.5 is to ensure that end-users will not be affected. Do you not think it will cause a global chaos if the Resource Member is required to return the resources allocated to it by AFRINIC? If you have any suggestions for an alternative, I?m willing to hear and be enlightened. > > > > I?ll stop here for now, and I do appreciate your feedback. > > > > Best Regards, > > Anthony > > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:54 PM wrote: >> Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> community-discuss at afrinic.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. AFRINC being sued (Ronald F. Guilmette) >> 2. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Owen DeLong) >> 3. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Noah) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:55 -0700 >> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" >> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued >> Message-ID: <14779.1597870855 at segfault.tristatelogic.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... >> >> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html >> >> As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due >> course. >> >> >> Regards, >> rfg >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:11:05 -0700 >> From: Owen DeLong >> To: Antone Bahu >> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net, AFRINIC Communication >> , govcom at afrinic.net >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw >> review >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> This is a pretty lousy format for soliciting comments because there?s no good way to put them inline. >> >> 6.1 Corporate should at the vary least be changed to ?corporation? as corporate is an adjective describing something which relates to a corporation (e.g. corporate membership) while corporation is the noun (e.g. corporate memberships are only available to corporations). >> >> Personally i disagree with this. There are many companies which are not corporations. I suggest instead using the term. >> >> Further I think that the proposed wording creates several potential chicken and egg issues. How does one comply with the policies before becoming a member and getting resources? >> >> I would suggest instead that the following is a superior alternative: >> (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which has a nexus in the AFRINIC service region and is a user of Internet Number Resources. >> >> If additional limitation is desired, one could add the clause ? directly issued to the person or organization by AFRINIC? at the end of the sentence. >> >> I would also suggest deleting (ii) as I believe this change would render it anachronistic. >> >> 6.4 ? As worded, you create an interesting loophole (absent my suggestion for additional limitations above)? >> With the proposed wording in sections 6.1 and 6.4, one could argue the case that if one has no AFRINIC resources >> and merely signs the RSA and does not violate any policies, one is entitled to voting membership as a resource >> member for $0 per year as without resources, that does constitute the relevant step and membership fees related >> to their zero resources allocated/assigned. >> >> While I agree that this is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum argument, courts have enforced far more >> ridiculous and baseless claims in history. >> >> 8.2(ii) and 8.3(ii) ? The wording here is absurd. A judgment call as to whether policy has been violated or not is required here. >> A policy itself cannot make such a judgment call. A policy is entirely a passive thing incapable of action or >> decision by itself. Some body of people must implement, enforce, and/or adjudicate any such policy. >> >> If you don?t want the board involved here, then assign it to staff or to the PDWG, or to a vote of the >> membership writ large or whoever you want, but you must appoint a trier of fact to make these judgments. >> You cannot blindly defer to the policy itself as if policy was capable of intervening in a members status >> without action by humans. >> >> 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv) ? So do we wish to simply allow a member who violates the constitution or other rules to continue >> as a member in good standing? This form of abuse strikes me as far more likely to occur and much harder >> to address without something taking the place of 8.2(iii). If you want to take this authority out of the hands >> of the board, fine, but you must then place it elsewhere or accept the anarchy that is the inevitable result. >> >> I have no issue with the deletion of 8.2(v) and 8.3(vi). >> >> The proposed edit to 8.4 is unwieldy, poorly written, and IMHO, unnecessary. Please describe a reasonable or likely >> scenario where a resource member would face termination of their membership that they did not cause. I cannot >> see any scenario in which this is possible, let alone likely. Perhaps I lack imagination, so please if I am wrong, >> enlighten me. >> >> I absolutely object to the suggested edit to 8.5. You are literally saying that one can (1) Obtain resources, (2) deploy >> those resources (3) decide to stop paying fees for those resources and then because they are deployed, (4) keep >> those resources in perpetuity. That?s ridiculous and would bankrupt the organization very quickly. Why would anyone >> ever pay a renewal fee under such a regulation? >> >> I will try to review the rest of the proposal later, I?m out of time for now, but that should provide some grist for the >> discussion mill in the mean time. >> >> Owen >> >> >> > On Aug 19, 2020, at 13:20 , Antone Bahu wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I pondered on how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community opinion to be presented in an even better way. >> > >> > Thus, I have a few inputs; >> > >> > >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > >> > >> > Proposed Amendments >> > >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 6.1 >> > Membership shall be open to: >> > >> > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of providing, open system protocol network services; or >> > >> > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 6.1 >> > (i) so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > Membership shall be open to any corporate which complies with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community >> > >> > >> > >> > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. >> > >> > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. >> > 6.4 >> > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: >> > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC >> > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and >> > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 6.4 by deleting the provisions under (i), so that Article 6.4 reads as follows: >> > >> > Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: >> > (i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement >> > (ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. >> > >> > >> > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.2 (ii) >> > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: >> > >> > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > (ii) the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet Resources Policy-related matters. >> > >> > 8.2(iii) >> > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Propose to be deleted. >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.2(v) >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. >> > >> > >> > 8.3(iii) >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.3(iv) >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. >> > >> > 8.3(vi) >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. >> > >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.4 >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so that it reads as follows: >> > >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part, whilst subjected to the condition that unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case. >> > >> > >> > >> > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and unclear. >> > >> > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.5 >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended as follows: >> > >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company, unless such resources is already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership. >> > >> > >> > >> > To avoid disruption to end-user. >> > >> > 11.4 >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 but subject to Article 11.5, the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. >> > >> > >> > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a whole. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 11.5(ii) >> > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed or there is lack of response from the community, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. >> > >> > **bold stroked words = to be deleted >> > >> > >> > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any response from the community. >> > >> > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the Board. >> > >> > >> > 12.4 >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting, provided that such accidental omission to give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault of the Board. >> > >> > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. >> > >> > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. >> > >> > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 15.3 >> > Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to: >> > (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined through the consensus of the Members. >> > >> > The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the determination of the allocation guidelines. >> > >> > >> > >> > 22.2 >> > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the Board. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended as follows: >> > >> > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual decision of the members. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the members. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. >> > The board should not be the one deciding. >> > >> > >> > I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took their time to read it. >> > Find attached. >> > Best Regards, >> > >> > ANTHONY >> > >> > anthony.ubah at goldspine.com .ng >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM AFRINIC Communication > wrote: >> > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] >> > >> > Dear Members and Community, >> > >> > The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. >> > >> > In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well as proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the Community. >> > >> > Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf ) containing its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the rationale added thereto. >> > >> > The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat (govcom at afrinic.net ) any further comment(s) before the final document is produced. However, please note that the present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This is an opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being proposed. >> > >> > The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to continuous beneficial engagement. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Abdalla Omari >> > Chair, Governance Committee >> > >> > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >> > >> > Chers membres et communaut?, >> > >> > Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le cas ?ch?ant. >> > >> > Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des propositions de modification. >> > >> > En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf ) contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, accompagn?es de leurs justifications. >> > >> > Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat (govcom at afrinic.net ) tout commentaire suppl?mentaire avant la production du document final. Toutefois, veuillez noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les amendements propos?s. >> > >> > Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. >> > >> > Tr?s cordialement, >> > Abdalla Omari >> > Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance >> > >> > ?????????.. >> > >> > ??????? ??????? ???????? ? >> > >> > ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. >> > >> > ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. >> > >> > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ???? GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf ) ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. >> > >> > ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net ) ??? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. >> > >> > ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. >> > >> > ?? ??????? >> > ??????? ?????? >> > ???? ???? ??????? >> > >> > ???????????????????. >> > >> > >> > Caros Membros e Comunidade, >> > >> > O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando necess?rio. >> > >> > Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a Comunidade. >> > >> > Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. >> > >> > O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as emendas que est?o a ser propostas. >> > >> > O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. >> > >> > Cumprimentos, >> > Abdalla Omari >> > Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o >> > >> > ????????. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:53:04 +0300 >> From: Noah >> To: Anthony Ubah >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , >> govcom at afrinic.net >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw >> review >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Ubah >> >> Before I could read further, I ran into the below statement in quotes. >> >> "AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related >> matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. >> Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall >> be decided by Policy approved by community discussion.". >> >> I disagree categorically with the above rationale and it's not new because >> we as a community have in the past had similar arguments of how AfriNIC is >> somehow a book keeper from a certain member of the community which goes to >> undermine AfriNICs role in the Internet ecosystem. >> >> Noah >> >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, 23:06 Anthony Ubah, wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, >> > who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I >> > pondered how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community >> > opinion to be presented in an even better way. >> > >> > Thus, I have a few inputs; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *6.1* >> > >> > Membership shall be open to: >> > >> > >> > >> > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services >> > in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of >> > providing, open system protocol network services; or >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend *Article 6.1* >> > >> > *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet >> > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the >> > current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. >> > >> > >> > >> > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet >> > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting >> > geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. >> > >> > *6.4* >> > >> > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) >> > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed >> > the following formalities cumulatively: >> > >> > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to >> > AFRINIC >> > >> > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and >> > >> > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number >> > Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that >> > Article 6.4 reads as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) >> > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed >> > the following formalities cumulatively:* >> > >> > *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* >> > >> > *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet >> > Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service.* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related >> > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. >> > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall >> > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.2** (ii)* >> > >> > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> > Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership >> > of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management >> > Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, >> > determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for >> > admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number >> > Resources Management Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC >> > community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet >> > Resources Policy-related matters. >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.2**(iii)* >> > >> > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> > Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this >> > Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Propose to be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good >> > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary >> > basis. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.2**(v)* >> > >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and >> > in good faith, shall determine from time to time. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too >> > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board >> > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the >> > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time >> > it desires. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.3**(iii)* >> > >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> > Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate >> > membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, >> > determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for >> > admission to Associate membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good >> > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary >> > basis. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.3**(iv)* >> > >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> > Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of >> > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good >> > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary >> > basis. >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.3**(vi)* >> > >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and >> > in good faith, shall determine from time to time >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too >> > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board >> > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the >> > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time >> > it desires. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.4* >> > >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees >> > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not >> > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, >> > whether in whole or in part. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so that it reads as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees >> > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not >> > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, >> > whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that >> > unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by >> > the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member >> > shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, >> > whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each >> > case.* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and >> > unclear. >> > >> > >> > >> > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not >> > caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent >> > Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This >> > is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is >> > one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.5* >> > >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the >> > resources allocated to it by the Company. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the >> > resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is >> > already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to >> > the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership.* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To avoid disruption to end-user. >> > >> > >> > >> > *11.4* >> > >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such >> > policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it >> > considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the >> > proper and responsible usage of these resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article >> > 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of >> > internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and >> > urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these >> > resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be >> > read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to >> > ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a >> > whole. >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *11.5(ii)* >> > >> > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not >> > endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following >> > its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior >> > to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not >> > endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said >> > policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; *however, >> > any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall >> > remain valid.* >> > >> > >> > >> > **bold stroked words = to be deleted >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 >> > then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any >> > response from the community. >> > >> > >> > >> > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the >> > community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board >> > implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the >> > community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the >> > Board. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *12.4* >> > >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? >> > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of >> > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or >> > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the >> > proceedings at that Meeting. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? >> > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of >> > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or >> > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the >> > proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to >> > give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the >> > fault of the Board.* >> > >> > >> > >> > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. >> > >> > >> > >> > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to >> > receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall >> > take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant >> > Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda >> > whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with >> > the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to >> > abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. >> > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:41 PM Antone Bahu wrote: > Hello Jane, > > > A very important thing which I always bear in mind is that this list > requires reasonable and sensible discussions. > > It is true that different people may have different opinions, but we need > to respect each other?s way of thinking. Sometimes certain tones are just > improper and should not be condoned. > Well said > > Also, I think it is not necessary to stir up fatuous allegations and > chaos in this forum. To show respect, one shall always use their real > identity instead of hiding under the guise of an alias or pseudonyms. I > think that is also an act of respect; being genuine is imperative to a > meaningful discussion. This way orderliness will be a culture. > Humour me please, but ain't you guilty of the same? Maybe we should know the identity of the 'blackboythinking'...do you mind? There seems to be another Anthony on this list and my tiny mind can pick his full name from yours above, if the letters were rearranged of course. > > I believe everyone?s contribution to this list is valuable if we have > respect and rationality. > Exactly! > > Also, I think it is reasonable for the board and staff to stand up to > Ronald on the subject he raised. > The accusations are too strong and serious to be swept under the carpet. So let the community hope that in due time justice will be done. > Kind regards, > > Anthony > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM A.T Jane wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP >> Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help >> Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a >> person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? >> when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. >> >> It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he >> knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth >> shut. >> >> Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing >> absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. >> >> Jane >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfg at tristatelogic.com Thu Aug 20 19:17:11 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:17:11 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20287.1597951031@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message Antone Bahu wrote: >Also, I think it is reasonable for the board and staff to stand up to >Ronald on the subject he raised. Thank you for this note of support. I want to make sure that everyone is crystal clear however. I have not raised just one issue/subject. I have, raised, as you have seen, and entire raft of questions that the AFRINIC board and staff have been utterly avoiding answering for an entire 8.5 months now. Each and every one of these questions contains within it very troubling implications. I have waited 8.5 month already, just as have the dues- paying members and the AFRINIC community, and not a single answer has been forthcoming from the Board, from magement, or from staff. Now, today, I see some people assuring me that if we all just wait a little longer... We have a word for this kind of obfsucation and permanent, ceaseless, and never-ending deflection where I come from, but because Mike Silber has just reminded us all to keep a civil tongue I shall not utter it here. I hope and trust however that everyone will understand what word I am thinking of. (A substitute term that is sometimes used in polite company is "bovine excrement".) I must ask the obvious additional questions: (*) Does time run more slowly on the African continent? Why should the status quo, and Mr. Cohen's illegal thefts and illicit profits still be going on, even after they were publicly reported on 8.5 months ago? Is this evidence of speedy professional remediation of the issue by AFRINIC management and staff? Or is it rather clear evidence of gross and unforgivable incompetence and world-class foot dragging? I and Jan Vermeulen labored tirelessly, for many months, to carefully and meticulously resarch and document all of the problematic blocks. All that was left was for AFRINIC management and staff to un-do the illicit changes that had been made to the relevant person: WHOIS records. But it seems that they could not even manage to do such a simple thing as that, even given a full 8.5 months! Why not? Was the entire AFRINC staff on vacation this whole time? Or was the whole staff just having one nice long siesta? Was the progress of the AFRINIC staff on this critical project delayed or impacted due to the kinds of massive pandemic-related staff layoffs that have afflicted so many other companies, all around the world, that are answerable and accountable to their shareholders? If so, how many AFRINIC staff positions were eliminated since the beginning of the pandemic and how did that impact this simple task of remediation? Have any AFRINIC staff positions at all been eliminated since the start of the pandemic? (If not, then I guess staff jobs at AFRINIC must be very desirable, since they are clearly pandemic-proof.) (*) What new developments am I, and the dues-payying members, and the AFRINIC community being asked, still, to wait for? What will be different, tomorrow, or in another week, or in another month, or in the year 2029 that will finally allow all of the questions I have raised to be answered? What are we waiting for, exactly? I refer again to the terminology used above: bovine excrement. Nothing has changed, apparently, over 8.5 months, and there is no reason to even hope that anything is going to change that will cause the AFRINIC Board or management to suddenly become forthcoming, where they have not been willing to be so in the past. So what is the hold up? What is the delay? Why can't we all have answers to these quite reasonable questions now? Who and what is being protected by the Board and management hiding all of the facts, even from the members, whose money keeps AFRINIC alive and who are also, by implication, being sued by Mr. Cohen? (*) Where I come from in any legal case the accused has two fundamental rights: (a) The right to know what the charges against him are and (b) the right to face his accusers. In the present context, Mr. Cohen is accusing the whole of the membership-based organization that we call AFRINIC of some as yet unknown kind of wrongdoing. Fine. What is the wrong that AFRINIC is being accused of, exactly? Is it slander? Is it stealing valuable property from him? Did some AFRINIC staff member run over Mr. Cohen's dog? Did they urinate into his luxurious Tel Aviv swimming pool? I say again, the whole of AFRINIC stands accused in the dock, and yet the members are not even allowed, apparently, to know even the very nature of the charges against them! This is a clear violation of law in every civilized country on earth, it violates SEVERAL United Nations Conventions on basic human rights, and more to the point, it is self-evidently grossly unfair. So, who is it, exactly, that is putting forth this obviously bogus contention that the accused in this case, i.e. the whole of the AFRINIC membership, is not even allowed to read the charges against them? Whoever is putting forward this ridiculous claim needs to anwser the obvious follow up question: Just exactly how corrupt is the judicial system in Mauritius that it does not even allow the accused to know the charges against him? This entire matter has caused more reputational damage, and has been handled with more associated secrecy and skullduggery than the biggest oil spill off the coast of Mauritius. And unlike the oil spill, in this case, the criminally sinister effects are just being ignored, or swept under the carpet, where they will seep into the groundwater and make all of AFRINIC toxic for generations to come. Regards, rfg From eddy at afrinic.net Thu Aug 20 20:19:20 2020 From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:19:20 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018f01d6772f$3159df30$940d9d90$@afrinic.net> Hi Jane, Your comments below amounts to a severe breach of the Code of conduct (https://afrinic.net/code). Some community members have also pointed it out. In previous communications made on this list, we have informed you about our whistleblowing mechanism (https://afrinic.net/whistleblowing), which is the process we have availed to report any malpractice with facts. The defamatory allegations will be removed from the list ASAP as they do not belong here. I advise you to retract/apologize for the allegations made. Regards, Eddy From: Antone Bahu Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:39 To: A.T Jane Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? Hello Jane, A very important thing which I always bear in mind is that this list requires reasonable and sensible discussions. It is true that different people may have different opinions, but we need to respect each other?s way of thinking. Sometimes certain tones are just improper and should not be condoned. Also, I think it is not necessary to stir up fatuous allegations and chaos in this forum. To show respect, one shall always use their real identity instead of hiding under the guise of an alias or pseudonyms. I think that is also an act of respect; being genuine is imperative to a meaningful discussion. This way orderliness will be a culture. I believe everyone?s contribution to this list is valuable if we have respect and rationality. Also, I think it is reasonable for the board and staff to stand up to Ronald on the subject he raised. Kind regards, Anthony On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM A.T Jane > wrote: Hello, >From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth shut. Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. Jane _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eddy at afrinic.net Thu Aug 20 20:30:39 2020 From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:30:39 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <19576.1597940591@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A@gmail.com> <19576.1597940591@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <01aa01d67730$c5b5cd50$512167f0$@afrinic.net> Hi Ron, You have raised quite some questions in your emails. Some of the questions you asked have answers in the monthly updates to the community, and others do not. We will provide comprehensive feedback to your questions by Wednesday next week. To manage your expectations, the items that are still under investigation may not have all the details you would expect. Regards, Eddy -----Original Message----- From: Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:23 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In message <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A at gmail.com>, Mike Silber wrote: >Ad hominem attacks such as these are not welcome on this list or in this community. > >While Mr Guilmette expressed his disappointment at the fact that his queries were not responded to in a transparent manner - I did not see any allegation such as you have made. I did far more than merely expressing my disappointment at the utter lack of transparency. I said quite plainly that I have been stonewalled for months by AFRINIC management and staff AND that I have no idea why AFRINIC is (purportedly) being sued by Mr. Cohen, since AFRINIC management and staff have allowed Mr. Cohen to keep nearly 100% of his stolen booty for more than 8.5 months now.... a clear and provable fact for which no one has yet provided *any* explanation. (Jan Vermeulen's big article about all of the thefts in AFRINIC was published on December 4th, 2019. That was actually a full 8.5 months ago!) Mike, rather than haranguing this A.T. Jane person for bad manners, why don't you, as a member of the community, start asking some of the questions that I have asked, and that management and the board are all clearly quite reluctant to provide answers for, such as: *) Why after 8.5 months have none of the legacy block illicit WHOIS modifications been undone? Who is responsible for un-doing these illicit changes to the WHOIS and why hasn't that person been doing their job? Isn't Eddy the ultimate responsible party here? What is his excuse for allowing these problems to languish, with no end in sight? *) What is Mr. Cohen -actually- suing AFRINIC for? AFRINIC management and staff have -provably- allowed Mr. Cohen to keep nearly all of his ill-gotten booty... all except the parts that the actual legacy holders themselves took back (e.g. Sasol, the City of Cape Town, and Columbus Stainless). So why on earth would Cohen be suing AFRINIC? *) Why has every single reasonable request I have made, e.g. for historical WHOIS information needed to complete my investigation of these matters, been consistantly and 100% stonewalled by both Eddy and Madhvi? *) Who permanently "disappeared" part of the WHOIS history for the 196.16.0.0/14 block, and why? *) Why is the legal complaint in this alleged legal action, by Mr. Cohen, and against AFRINIC, being kept secret from both the public and even from the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who have a clear right to see it? And why do the dues-paying members of AFRINIC even tolerate this attempt to hide the facts which they have a right to know? More to the point, who is benefitting from this attempt by management and/or the board to hide the full facts from the dues-paying members? *) Who did Mr. Cohen allegedly "buy" all of the stolen legacy blcoks from? It had to be some AFRINIC insider... someone who could fiddle the WHOIS records at will. So who ELSE, in addition to Ernest, has been profiting from the looting of AFRINIC? *) Who else did Ernest implicate when he was confronted with the evidence of his crimes by the board and management at the AFRINIC meeting in Luanda, Angola in early December, 2019? Mike, rather than spending your electrons chastizing list posters for their bad manners, wouldn't it be a more productive use of your time to join me in seeking answers to the above unanswered questions? Don't you think that it is about time that this colossal mess and this colossal and ongoing scandal finally got cleaned up, and isn't it already well past time for the full facts to be revealed and disclosed, at least to the dues-paying members? Or should things just continue to go on they way they have been, with AFRINIC still crooked and still a worldwide object of scorn and ridicule? It's your RiR and your choice. The members can just continue to turn a blind eye to all of this, but you cannot now do so without without knowing, for certain, that MANY facts and answers are being deliberately hidden. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From owen at delong.com Thu Aug 20 20:37:22 2020 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:37:22 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Noah, Ad hominem attacks such as calling someone a sock puppet are not welcome on this list. Owen > On Aug 20, 2020, at 08:55 , Noah wrote: > > Jane, > > Its rather difficult to give sock puppets any serious attention. > > Noah > > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 18:02 A.T Jane, > wrote: > Hello, > > From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. > > It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth shut. > > Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. > > Jane > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Thu Aug 20 20:56:53 2020 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:56:53 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Owen Please save me the political correctness but you seemed to have skipped the defamatory allegations that were made by the "someone" without evidence. Noah On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 23:37 Owen DeLong, wrote: > Noah, > > Ad hominem attacks such as calling someone a sock puppet are not welcome > on this list. > > Owen > > > On Aug 20, 2020, at 08:55 , Noah wrote: > > Jane, > > Its rather difficult to give sock puppets any serious attention. > > Noah > > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 18:02 A.T Jane, wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP >> Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help >> Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a >> person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? >> when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. >> >> It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he >> knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth >> shut. >> >> Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing >> absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. >> >> Jane >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfg at tristatelogic.com Thu Aug 20 21:13:56 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:13:56 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20766.1597958036@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message Timothy Ola Akinfenwa wrote: >> Also, I think it is reasonable for the board and staff to stand up to >> Ronald on the subject he raised. >> >The accusations are too strong and serious to be swept under the carpet. So >let the community hope that in due time justice will be done. Sir, I do not know you, and I hope that you will not take offense when I say that you are failing to understand that this is exactly how things get swept under the carpet, i.e. by dawdling and delaying in the hopes that, with the passage of time, everyone will just forget about the issue and move on. And so far, that is exactly what the AFRINIC Board, and the management, and the staff have done, i.e. nothing. Nothing but let the clock run and hope that everyone just forgets that the full truth has not come out yet, and that all signs point to the fact that it was NOT just little Ernest Byaruhanga, acting completely alone, who was selling out AFRINIC in order to line his own pockets. So when does "due time" come to its conclusion? Shall we wait for answers until the year 2029? Is the AFRINIC Board or management even promising us full, complete, and truthful answers even in that time frame? No, they are not. There is no schedule for honesty. It either exists or it doesn't. Every person can make up their own mind whether or not they believe that the AFRINIC Board and management have been or have not been open, honest and truthful. I have made up mine, based on the abundant evidence. Regards, rfg From muyiwacaleb at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 21:14:26 2020 From: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:14:26 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Anthony, While i have been on the sidelines for a while as an obeserver, i'd like to jump in on this one and please see my reply inline... On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM Anthony Ubah wrote: > > * Hello Owen,* > > Thank you for your kind feedback and my apologies about the > apparently Lousy format, the original text was arranged in a table (Thus > document attached) > > > > 1. About your comment on 6.1, I partially agree. > > For the term about ?corporation?, I am fine with using a different term, > such as ?company/organization?. > > As to your suggested alternative, I would suggest the following: > > (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which is a user > of Internet Number Resources. > I'd like to flaw that suggestion of yours based on the principle of asking *WHY WAS AFRINIC CREATED?* if you can answer that question correctly, then you cannot make base the fact that resources allocated to the AFRINIC region be such an open membership when without consideration for regional boundaries. Let me also remind you what AFRINIC's founding mission is... *''AFRINIC?s mission is to provide professional and efficient distribution of Internet number resources to the African Internet community, to support Internet technology usage and development across the continent and to strengthen Internet self-governance in Africa through a bottom-up, multi-stakeholder' * I believe this mission statement is self-explanatory enough. Further, you might also ask why was Regional Registries created in the first place if geographical boundaries do not set limits? > The reason being that since Internet Resources is a public resource in the > first place, membership should not be based on geographical boundaries. > > BUT do note that this is just a proposal on the eligibility of membership > (i.e. qualified to apply to be a member or not, but not an automatic > membership). > > > > 2. About your comment on 6.4, I think there is a slight > misunderstanding. Allow me to clarify. > > I?m proposing to delete the original words of 6.4(i) only, which reads: > ?justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to > AFRINIC?. > > AFRINIC is a registry and it should not necessarily be their business to > scrutinize why an entity is applying to use the Internet Number Resources > and how they are going to use it. I think AFRINIC staff should not be the > one to wield the power/control as to how resources are to be distributed. > I strongly disagree with you on this point. So let me use this analogy to clear your doubt against this position of yours. "Before you ask your boss at work for a raise(in this case INRs), he tries to look at the budget, vis-a-vis the company policy (in this case the bylaws and the CPM) . If this aligns with the growth of the company's mission (in this case AFRINIC's mission) then he gives you a raise else we have a loop until the requirements are fulfilled or the request is terminated. I believe AFRINIC's staff are guided by the bottom-up approach to policy implementation. I will stop here for now while i review other comments at a later time. So I?m merely proposing to delete the requirement of ?justified its need > for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC?. > > > > 3. About your comment on 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii), after taking your > views into consideration, I?d like to propose an alternative. > > I can understand where you are coming from, but the main goal for my > submission is to remove the Board?s arbitrary power, which is currently > empowered by the words of ?acting reasonably and in good faith?(to which > there is no safeguard or a general rule of thumb to determine whether the > Board is acting ultra vires under the guise of ?acting reasonably and in > good faith?). > > As such, I?d like to propose an alternative to my first proposal for > 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii): > > > > (a) For 8.2(ii), to add the following words in parenthesis ? ??the > Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved > by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Resource Members has ceased > to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to > comply with Number Resources Management Policies;? > > (b) For 8.3(iii), to add the following words in parenthesis ? ??the > Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet Resources Policy as approved > by the AFRINIC community), determining that the Associate Member has ceased > to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company;? > > With this alternative, my purpose is to have the Board at least act in > accordance to something which is approved by the community instead of > having the power to act on an arbitrary basis. > > > > 4. About your comment on 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv), I hereby propose an > alternative. > > Similar to my reasons for 8.2(ii) and 8.3(iii), the purpose is to either > (i)remove the Board?s arbitrary power or (ii)to at least have the Board act > in accordance to something which is approved by the community. Either way, > it is to mainly remove the possibility of the Board abusing its power (even > if it is practically unlikely). > As such, I?d like to propose an alternative to my first proposal for > 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv): > > a) For 8.2(iii), to add the following words in parenthesis and > delete the stroked words ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the > Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC) community, > determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with > the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the > Board .?(delete)** > > b) For 8.3(iv), to add the following words in parenthesis and delete > the stroked words ? ??the Board, acting (in accordance to the Internet > Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community), determining that > the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > this Constitution **or any applicable rule made by the Board?(delete) ** > > > > 5. About your comment on 8.4, I respectfully disagree. > > > > Even if it?s practically unlikely but the original wordings of 8.4 does > leave such a possibility from happening. The purpose of this proposal for > 8.4 is to make it fairer for Resource and Associate Member in the event if > an incident (which leads to the termination of membership) is caused by a > third party or an event that is beyond the Resource and Associate Member?s > > control (?Unexpected Event?). > > > > I don?t see any harm that can be done if such a third party or an > Unexpected Event did actually happen and an innocent Associate/Resource > Member is allowed to prove its innocence and is fairly spared from paying > any fees unjustly that was not caused by the Associate/Resource Member. > Whereas, the same cannot be said if the original wordings of 8.4 is > maintained. > > > > Just a brief analogy, if a car accident isn?t caused by me then it will be > unfair to expect me to compensate the other party. But if a car accident is > in fact caused by me, then it is fair and expected for me to do whatever is > necessary to compensate the other party. > > This is just to introduce a safeguard for the Associate and Resource > Member under 8.4 in circumstances where they are actually innocent due to > an unforeseeable/unimaginable incident which is not caused by them. > > > > 6. About your comment on 8.5, but what happens to the end-users? > Won?t they be heavily affected? > > The main reason for proposing my amendments for 8.5 is to ensure that > end-users will not be affected. Do you not think it will cause a global > chaos if the Resource Member is required to return the resources allocated > to it by AFRINIC? If you have any suggestions for an alternative, I?m > willing to hear and be enlightened. > > > > I?ll stop here for now, and I do appreciate your feedback. > > > > Best Regards, > > Anthony > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:54 PM > wrote: > >> Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> community-discuss at afrinic.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. AFRINC being sued (Ronald F. Guilmette) >> 2. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Owen DeLong) >> 3. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Noah) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:55 -0700 >> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" >> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued >> Message-ID: <14779.1597870855 at segfault.tristatelogic.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... >> >> >> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html >> >> As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due >> course. >> >> >> Regards, >> rfg >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:11:05 -0700 >> From: Owen DeLong >> To: Antone Bahu >> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net, AFRINIC Communication >> , govcom at afrinic.net >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw >> review >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> This is a pretty lousy format for soliciting comments because there?s no >> good way to put them inline. >> >> 6.1 Corporate should at the vary least be changed to ?corporation? as >> corporate is an adjective describing something which relates to a >> corporation (e.g. corporate membership) while corporation is the noun (e.g. >> corporate memberships are only available to corporations). >> >> Personally i disagree with this. There are many companies which are not >> corporations. I suggest instead using the term. >> >> Further I think that the proposed wording creates several potential >> chicken and egg issues. How does one comply with the policies before >> becoming a member and getting resources? >> >> I would suggest instead that the following is a superior alternative: >> (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which has a >> nexus in the AFRINIC service region and is a user of Internet Number >> Resources. >> >> If additional limitation is desired, one could add the clause ? directly >> issued to the person or organization by AFRINIC? at the end of the sentence. >> >> I would also suggest deleting (ii) as I believe this change would render >> it anachronistic. >> >> 6.4 ? As worded, you create an interesting loophole (absent my suggestion >> for additional limitations above)? >> With the proposed wording in sections 6.1 and 6.4, one could argue the >> case that if one has no AFRINIC resources >> and merely signs the RSA and does not violate any policies, one is >> entitled to voting membership as a resource >> member for $0 per year as without resources, that does constitute the >> relevant step and membership fees related >> to their zero resources allocated/assigned. >> >> While I agree that this is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum argument, >> courts have enforced far more >> ridiculous and baseless claims in history. >> >> 8.2(ii) and 8.3(ii) ? The wording here is absurd. A judgment call as to >> whether policy has been violated or not is required here. >> A policy itself cannot make such a judgment call. A policy is entirely a >> passive thing incapable of action or >> decision by itself. Some body of people must implement, enforce, and/or >> adjudicate any such policy. >> >> If you don?t want the board involved here, then assign it to staff or to >> the PDWG, or to a vote of the >> membership writ large or whoever you want, but you must appoint a trier >> of fact to make these judgments. >> You cannot blindly defer to the policy itself as if policy was capable of >> intervening in a members status >> without action by humans. >> >> 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv) ? So do we wish to simply allow a member who >> violates the constitution or other rules to continue >> as a member in good standing? This form of abuse strikes me as far more >> likely to occur and much harder >> to address without something taking the place of 8.2(iii). If you want to >> take this authority out of the hands >> of the board, fine, but you must then place it elsewhere or accept the >> anarchy that is the inevitable result. >> >> I have no issue with the deletion of 8.2(v) and 8.3(vi). >> >> The proposed edit to 8.4 is unwieldy, poorly written, and IMHO, >> unnecessary. Please describe a reasonable or likely >> scenario where a resource member would face termination of their >> membership that they did not cause. I cannot >> see any scenario in which this is possible, let alone likely. Perhaps I >> lack imagination, so please if I am wrong, >> enlighten me. >> >> I absolutely object to the suggested edit to 8.5. You are literally >> saying that one can (1) Obtain resources, (2) deploy >> those resources (3) decide to stop paying fees for those resources and >> then because they are deployed, (4) keep >> those resources in perpetuity. That?s ridiculous and would bankrupt the >> organization very quickly. Why would anyone >> ever pay a renewal fee under such a regulation? >> >> I will try to review the rest of the proposal later, I?m out of time for >> now, but that should provide some grist for the >> discussion mill in the mean time. >> >> Owen >> >> >> > On Aug 19, 2020, at 13:20 , Antone Bahu >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and >> colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw >> review. I pondered on how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows >> community opinion to be presented in an even better way. >> > >> > Thus, I have a few inputs; >> > >> > >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > >> > >> > Proposed Amendments >> > >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 6.1 >> > Membership shall be open to: >> > >> > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing >> services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or >> business of providing, open system protocol network services; or >> > >> > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 6.1 >> > (i) so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > Membership shall be open to any corporate which complies with Internet >> Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community >> > >> > >> > >> > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the >> current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. >> > >> > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet >> Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting >> geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. >> > 6.4 >> > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) >> shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed >> the following formalities cumulatively: >> > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources >> to AFRINIC >> > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and >> > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet >> Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 6.4 by deleting the provisions under (i), so that >> Article 6.4 reads as follows: >> > >> > Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) >> shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed >> the following formalities cumulatively: >> > (i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement >> > (ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet >> Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. >> > >> > >> > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in >> policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs >> to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are >> distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.2 (ii) >> > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: >> > >> > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that >> the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to >> membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources >> Management Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > (ii) the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC >> community, determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy >> criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply >> with Number Resources Management Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC >> community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet >> Resources Policy-related matters. >> > >> > 8.2(iii) >> > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that >> the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of >> this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Propose to be deleted. >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good >> faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary >> basis. >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.2(v) >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably >> and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is >> too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the >> Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether >> the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any >> time it desires. >> > >> > >> > 8.3(iii) >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate >> membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, >> determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for >> admission to Associate membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good >> faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary >> basis. >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.3(iv) >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of >> this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good >> faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary >> basis. >> > >> > 8.3(vi) >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably >> and in good faith, shall determine from time to time >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is >> too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the >> Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether >> the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any >> time it desires. >> > >> > >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.4 >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any >> fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall >> not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, >> whether in whole or in part. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so that it reads as follows: >> > >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any >> fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall >> not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, >> whether in whole or in part, whilst subjected to the condition that unless >> the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the >> Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be >> entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in >> whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case. >> > >> > >> > >> > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and >> unclear. >> > >> > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is >> not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent >> Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This >> is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is >> one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 8.5 >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the >> resources allocated to it by the Company. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended as follows: >> > >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the >> resources allocated to it by the Company, unless such resources is already >> allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the >> Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership. >> > >> > >> > >> > To avoid disruption to end-user. >> > >> > 11.4 >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt >> such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where >> it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the >> proper and responsible usage of these resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 but subject to Article >> 11.5, the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of >> internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and >> urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these >> resources. >> > >> > >> > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be >> read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to >> ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a >> whole. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 11.5(ii) >> > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not >> endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following >> its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior >> to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not >> endorsed or there is lack of response from the community, the said policy >> shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; >> however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such >> non-endorsement shall remain valid. >> > >> > **bold stroked words = to be deleted >> > >> > >> > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 >> then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any >> response from the community. >> > >> > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the >> community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board >> implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the >> community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the >> Board. >> > >> > >> > 12.4 >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? >> Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of >> an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or >> any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the >> proceedings at that Meeting. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? >> Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of >> an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or >> any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the >> proceedings at that Meeting, provided that such accidental omission to give >> notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault >> of the Board. >> > >> > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. >> > >> > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure >> to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board >> shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. >> > >> > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant >> Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda >> whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with >> the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to >> abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. >> > Existing Provisions >> > Proposed Amendments >> > Rationale for Amendments >> > >> > 15.3 >> > Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, >> the Directors shall be entitled to: >> > (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to >> members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined >> through the consensus of the Members. >> > >> > The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant >> meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the >> determination of the allocation guidelines. >> > >> > >> > >> > 22.2 >> > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any >> surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, >> the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or >> transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects >> similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus >> shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of >> such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the >> Board. >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended as follows: >> > >> > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any >> surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, >> the surplus shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual >> decision of the members. The institution to which the surplus shall be >> transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such >> determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the >> members. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the >> surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. >> > The board should not be the one deciding. >> > >> > >> > I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took >> their time to read it. >> > Find attached. >> > Best Regards, >> > >> > ANTHONY >> > >> > anthony.ubah at goldspine.com .ng >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM AFRINIC Communication < >> comms at afrinic.net > wrote: >> > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] >> > >> > Dear Members and Community, >> > >> > The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions >> of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. >> > >> > In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well >> as proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the >> Community. >> > >> > Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, >> the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table ( >> https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf < >> https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf>) >> containing its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the >> rationale added thereto. >> > >> > The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the >> aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat ( >> govcom at afrinic.net ) any further comment(s) >> before the final document is produced. However, please note that the >> present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This >> is an opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being >> proposed. >> > >> > The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable >> contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to continuous >> beneficial engagement. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Abdalla Omari >> > Chair, Governance Committee >> > >> > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >> > >> > Chers membres et communaut?, >> > >> > Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions >> existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le >> cas ?ch?ant. >> > >> > Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses >> parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des >> propositions de modification. >> > >> > En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de >> ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau ( >> https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf < >> https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf>) >> contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, >> accompagn?es de leurs justifications. >> > >> > Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des >> propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat ( >> govcom at afrinic.net ) tout commentaire >> suppl?mentaire avant la production du document final. Toutefois, veuillez >> noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? >> pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une >> occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les >> amendements propos?s. >> > >> > Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa >> pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de >> b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. >> > >> > Tr?s cordialement, >> > Abdalla Omari >> > Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance >> > >> > ?????????.. >> > >> > ??????? ??????? ???????? ? >> > >> > ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? >> AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. >> > >> > ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? >> ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. >> > >> > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ???? >> GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ( >> https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf < >> https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf>) >> ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. >> > >> > ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? >> ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net >> ) ??? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? >> ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? >> ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. >> > >> > ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? >> ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. >> > >> > ?? ??????? >> > ??????? ?????? >> > ???? ???? ??????? >> > >> > ???????????????????. >> > >> > >> > Caros Membros e Comunidade, >> > >> > O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es >> existentes dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando >> necess?rio. >> > >> > Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, >> bem como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a >> Comunidade. >> > >> > Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das >> suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de >> quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos >> Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. >> > >> > O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento >> das referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado >> quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No >> entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas >> propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as >> emendas que est?o a ser propostas. >> > >> > O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa >> contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um >> compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. >> > >> > Cumprimentos, >> > Abdalla Omari >> > Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o >> > >> > ????????. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss < >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/attachments/20200819/fed044e7/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:53:04 +0300 >> From: Noah >> To: Anthony Ubah >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , >> govcom at afrinic.net >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw >> review >> Message-ID: >> > Hg_q0Z2+wGF_-g at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Ubah >> >> Before I could read further, I ran into the below statement in quotes. >> >> "AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related >> matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. >> Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed >> shall >> be decided by Policy approved by community discussion.". >> >> I disagree categorically with the above rationale and it's not new because >> we as a community have in the past had similar arguments of how AfriNIC is >> somehow a book keeper from a certain member of the community which goes to >> undermine AfriNICs role in the Internet ecosystem. >> >> Noah >> >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, 23:06 Anthony Ubah, wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and >> colleagues, >> > who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I >> > pondered how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows >> community >> > opinion to be presented in an even better way. >> > >> > Thus, I have a few inputs; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *6.1* >> > >> > Membership shall be open to: >> > >> > >> > >> > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing >> services >> > in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of >> > providing, open system protocol network services; or >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend *Article 6.1* >> > >> > *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet >> > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the >> > current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. >> > >> > >> > >> > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet >> > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting >> > geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most >> here. >> > >> > *6.4* >> > >> > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) >> > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has >> completed >> > the following formalities cumulatively: >> > >> > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to >> > AFRINIC >> > >> > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and >> > >> > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number >> > Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that >> > Article 6.4 reads as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) >> > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has >> completed >> > the following formalities cumulatively:* >> > >> > *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* >> > >> > *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet >> > Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration >> Service.* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in >> policy-related >> > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. >> > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed >> shall >> > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.2** (ii)* >> > >> > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that >> the >> > Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to >> membership >> > of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management >> > Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC >> community*, >> > determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for >> > admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number >> > Resources Management Policies; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC >> > community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in >> Internet >> > Resources Policy-related matters. >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.2**(iii)* >> > >> > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that >> the >> > Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of >> this >> > Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Propose to be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in >> good >> > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an >> arbitrary >> > basis. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.2**(v)* >> > >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably >> and >> > in good faith, shall determine from time to time. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too >> > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the >> Board >> > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the >> > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any >> time >> > it desires. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.3**(iii)* >> > >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> > Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to >> Associate >> > membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, >> > determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for >> > admission to Associate membership of the Company; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in >> good >> > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an >> arbitrary >> > basis. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.3**(iv)* >> > >> > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the >> > Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of >> > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a >> > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or >> > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in >> good >> > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an >> arbitrary >> > basis. >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.3**(vi)* >> > >> > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably >> and >> > in good faith, shall determine from time to time >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too >> > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the >> Board >> > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the >> > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. >> > >> > >> > >> > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any >> time >> > it desires. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.4* >> > >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any >> fees >> > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall >> not >> > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, >> > whether in whole or in part. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so that it reads as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any >> fees >> > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall >> not >> > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, >> > whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that >> > unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused >> by >> > the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member >> > shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, >> refund, >> > whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each >> > case.* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and >> > unclear. >> > >> > >> > >> > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is >> not >> > caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent >> > Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. >> This >> > is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is >> > one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *8.5* >> > >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the >> > resources allocated to it by the Company. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the >> > resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is >> > already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned >> to >> > the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s >> membership.* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To avoid disruption to end-user. >> > >> > >> > >> > *11.4* >> > >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such >> > policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it >> > considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the >> > proper and responsible usage of these resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article >> > 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of >> > internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary >> and >> > urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these >> > resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be >> > read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, >> to >> > ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a >> > whole. >> > >> > *Existing Provisions* >> > >> > *Proposed Amendments* >> > >> > *Rationale for Amendments* >> > >> > >> > >> > *11.5(ii)* >> > >> > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not >> > endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following >> > its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy >> prior >> > to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not >> > endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said >> > policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its >> non-endorsement; *however, >> > any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement >> shall >> > remain valid.* >> > >> > >> > >> > **bold stroked words = to be deleted >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 >> > then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any >> > response from the community. >> > >> > >> > >> > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the >> > community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the >> Board >> > implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the >> > community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the >> > Board. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *12.4* >> > >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? >> > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice >> of >> > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a >> Member or >> > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the >> > proceedings at that Meeting. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To be amended so as to read as follows: >> > >> > >> > >> > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? >> > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice >> of >> > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a >> Member or >> > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the >> > proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to >> > give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the >> > fault of the Board.* >> > >> > >> > >> > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. >> > >> > >> > >> > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure >> to >> > receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board >> shall >> > take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant >> > Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda >> > whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified >> with >> > the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially >> lead to >> > abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. >> > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. AFRINC being sued (Ronald F. Guilmette) > 2. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Owen DeLong) > 3. Re: Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw review (Noah) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:55 -0700 > From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" > > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued > Message-ID: <14779.1597870855 at segfault.tristatelogic.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For those few of you who may not already be aware of this... > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/363694-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-sues-afrinic.html > > As many of you might imagine, I will have more to say about this in due > course. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:11:05 -0700 > From: Owen DeLong > > To: Antone Bahu > > Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net , AFRINIC Communication > >, govcom at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw > review > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This is a pretty lousy format for soliciting comments because there?s no good way to put them inline. > > 6.1 Corporate should at the vary least be changed to ?corporation? as corporate is an adjective describing something which relates to a corporation (e.g. corporate membership) while corporation is the noun (e.g. corporate memberships are only available to corporations). > > Personally i disagree with this. There are many companies which are not corporations. I suggest instead using the term. > > Further I think that the proposed wording creates several potential chicken and egg issues. How does one comply with the policies before becoming a member and getting resources? > > I would suggest instead that the following is a superior alternative: > (i) Membership shall be open to any person or organization which has a nexus in the AFRINIC service region and is a user of Internet Number Resources. > > If additional limitation is desired, one could add the clause ? directly issued to the person or organization by AFRINIC? at the end of the sentence. > > I would also suggest deleting (ii) as I believe this change would render it anachronistic. > > 6.4 ? As worded, you create an interesting loophole (absent my suggestion for additional limitations above)? > With the proposed wording in sections 6.1 and 6.4, one could argue the case that if one has no AFRINIC resources > and merely signs the RSA and does not violate any policies, one is entitled to voting membership as a resource > member for $0 per year as without resources, that does constitute the relevant step and membership fees related > to their zero resources allocated/assigned. > > While I agree that this is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum argument, courts have enforced far more > ridiculous and baseless claims in history. > > 8.2(ii) and 8.3(ii) ? The wording here is absurd. A judgment call as to whether policy has been violated or not is required here. > A policy itself cannot make such a judgment call. A policy is entirely a passive thing incapable of action or > decision by itself. Some body of people must implement, enforce, and/or adjudicate any such policy. > > If you don?t want the board involved here, then assign it to staff or to the PDWG, or to a vote of the > membership writ large or whoever you want, but you must appoint a trier of fact to make these judgments. > You cannot blindly defer to the policy itself as if policy was capable of intervening in a members status > without action by humans. > > 8.2(iii) and 8.3(iv) ? So do we wish to simply allow a member who violates the constitution or other rules to continue > as a member in good standing? This form of abuse strikes me as far more likely to occur and much harder > to address without something taking the place of 8.2(iii). If you want to take this authority out of the hands > of the board, fine, but you must then place it elsewhere or accept the anarchy that is the inevitable result. > > I have no issue with the deletion of 8.2(v) and 8.3(vi). > > The proposed edit to 8.4 is unwieldy, poorly written, and IMHO, unnecessary. Please describe a reasonable or likely > scenario where a resource member would face termination of their membership that they did not cause. I cannot > see any scenario in which this is possible, let alone likely. Perhaps I lack imagination, so please if I am wrong, > enlighten me. > > I absolutely object to the suggested edit to 8.5. You are literally saying that one can (1) Obtain resources, (2) deploy > those resources (3) decide to stop paying fees for those resources and then because they are deployed, (4) keep > those resources in perpetuity. That?s ridiculous and would bankrupt the organization very quickly. Why would anyone > ever pay a renewal fee under such a regulation? > > I will try to review the rest of the proposal later, I?m out of time for now, but that should provide some grist for the > discussion mill in the mean time. > > Owen > > > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 13:20 , Antone Bahu > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I pondered on how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community opinion to be presented in an even better way. > > > > Thus, I have a few inputs; > > > > > > > > Existing Provisions > > > > > > Proposed Amendments > > > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 6.1 > > Membership shall be open to: > > > > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of providing, open system protocol network services; or > > > > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. > > > > > > To amend Article 6.1 > > (i) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which complies with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community > > > > > > > > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. > > 6.4 > > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: > > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to AFRINIC > > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and > > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > > To amend Article 6.4 by deleting the provisions under (i), so that Article 6.4 reads as follows: > > > > Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed the following formalities cumulatively: > > (i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement > > (ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.2 (ii) > > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: > > > > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > (ii) the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management Policies; > > > > > > > > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet Resources Policy-related matters. > > > > 8.2(iii) > > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Propose to be deleted. > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. > > > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.2(v) > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time. > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. > > > > > > 8.3(iii) > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community, determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. > > > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.3(iv) > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary basis. > > > > 8.3(vi) > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, shall determine from time to time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time it desires. > > > > > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.4 > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so that it reads as follows: > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, whether in whole or in part, whilst subjected to the condition that unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each case. > > > > > > > > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and unclear. > > > > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 8.5 > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company. > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the resources allocated to it by the Company, unless such resources is already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership. > > > > > > > > To avoid disruption to end-user. > > > > 11.4 > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 but subject to Article 11.5, the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a whole. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 11.5(ii) > > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not endorsed or there is lack of response from the community, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > **bold stroked words = to be deleted > > > > > > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any response from the community. > > > > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the Board. > > > > > > 12.4 > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting. > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the proceedings at that Meeting, provided that such accidental omission to give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the fault of the Board. > > > > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. > > > > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. > > > > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. > > Existing Provisions > > Proposed Amendments > > Rationale for Amendments > > > > 15.3 > > Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to: > > (i) determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members in line with the member driven Policy Development Process; > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > The guidelines for allocation of address space shall only be determined through the consensus of the Members. > > > > The Directors should only assume the role of facilitating relevant meetings and shall not have any say in matters relating to the determination of the allocation guidelines. > > > > > > > > 22.2 > > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall not be paid to the members but shall instead be given or transferred to some other institution or institutions having objects similar to the objects of the Company. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the Board. > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > If on the winding up or dissolution of the Company, there remain any surplus assets after satisfaction of the Company's debts and liabilities, the surplus shall be given or transferred in accordance to the mutual decision of the members. The institution to which the surplus shall be transferred shall be determined by the members or, in default of such determination, by the liquidator after considering the advice of the members. > > > > > > > > > > > > The members are the ones that should have a say in deciding where the surplus of assets goes to, since it contains their fees money. > > The board should not be the one deciding. > > > > > > I know this is quite long, so I am really grateful for those who took their time to read it. > > Find attached. > > Best Regards, > > > > ANTHONY > > > > anthony.ubah at goldspine.com >.ng > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM AFRINIC Communication >> wrote: > > [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] > > > > Dear Members and Community, > > > > The GovCom was mandated to, inter alia, review the existing provisions of the AFRINIC Bylaws and to propose such amendments, where necessary. > > > > In this context, the GovCom had previously called for comments as well as proposals for amendments from various stakeholders, including the Community. > > > > Consequently, after analysing all input received from its stakeholders, the GovCom hereby presents to the Community a draft table (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf >) containing its proposed amendments to the existing Bylaws with the rationale added thereto. > > > > The GovCom therefore invites the Community to take cognisance of the aforesaid proposed amendments as well as to submit to the Secretariat (govcom at afrinic.net >) any further comment(s) before the final document is produced. However, please note that the present publication is not an invitation for new proposed amendments. This is an opportunity for the Community to comment on the amendments being proposed. > > > > The GovCom wishes to thank the Community once again for its valuable contribution in its review of the Bylaws and looks forward to continuous beneficial engagement. > > > > Regards, > > Abdalla Omari > > Chair, Governance Committee > > > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > > > Chers membres et communaut?, > > > > Le GovCom a ?t? charg?, entre autres, de revoir les dispositions existantes des statuts de l'AFRINIC et de proposer des modifications, le cas ?ch?ant. > > > > Dans ce contexte, le comit? avait pr?c?demment demand? ? diverses parties prenantes, dont la Communaut?, de formuler des commentaires et des propositions de modification. > > > > En cons?quence, apr?s avoir analys? toutes les contributions re?ues de ses parties prenantes, le comit? pr?sente ? la Communaut? un tableau (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf >) contenant ses propositions de modifications des r?glements existants, accompagn?es de leurs justifications. > > > > Le Comit? invite donc la Communaut? ? prendre connaissance des propositions de modification susmentionn?es et ? soumettre au Secr?tariat (govcom at afrinic.net >) tout commentaire suppl?mentaire avant la production du document final. Toutefois, veuillez noter que la pr?sente publication ne constitue pas une invitation ? pr?senter de nouvelles propositions de modifications. Il s'agit d'une occasion pour la Communaut? de formuler des commentaires sur les amendements propos?s. > > > > Le Comit? souhaite remercier une fois de plus la Communaut? pour sa pr?cieuse contribution ? la r?vision des statuts et se r?jouit de b?n?ficier de son engagement continu. > > > > Tr?s cordialement, > > Abdalla Omari > > Pr?sident, Comit? de gouvernance > > > > ?????????.. > > > > ??????? ??????? ???????? ? > > > > ?? ????? GovCom ? ?? ??? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? AFRINIC ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ??? ???????. > > > > ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? GovCom ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??? ???????. > > > > ???????? ? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ? ???? GovCom ????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? (https://afrinic.net/ast/afrinic-bylaw-table-changes-20200812-en1.pdf >) ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????. > > > > ???? ? ???? GovCom ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? (???????) ???? ??? ??????? (govcom at afrinic.net >) ??? ????? ??????? ????????. ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????. ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????????. > > > > ??? GovCom ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????. > > > > ?? ??????? > > ??????? ?????? > > ???? ???? ??????? > > > > ???????????????????. > > > > > > Caros Membros e Comunidade, > > > > O GovCom foi mandatado para, inter alia, rever as disposi??es existentes dos Estatutos da AFRINIC e propor tais altera??es, quando necess?rio. > > > > Neste contexto, o GovCom tinha anteriormente solicitado coment?rios, bem como propostas de emendas de v?rias partes interessadas, incluindo a Comunidade. > > > > Consequentemente, ap?s an?lise de todas as contribui??es recebidas das suas partes interessadas, o GovCom apresenta ? Comunidade um projecto de quadro (dispon?vel aqui) contendo as suas propostas de emendas aos Estatutos existentes, com a respectiva fundamenta??o. > > > > O GovCom convida, por conseguinte, a Comunidade a tomar conhecimento das referidas propostas de altera??o, bem como a apresentar ao Secretariado quaisquer outros coment?rios antes da elabora??o do documento final. No entanto, ? de notar que a presente publica??o n?o ? um convite para novas propostas de emenda. Esta ? uma oportunidade para a Comunidade comentar as emendas que est?o a ser propostas. > > > > O GovCom deseja agradecer mais uma vez ? Comunidade a sua valiosa contribui??o na revis?o dos Estatutos e aguarda com expectativa um compromisso ben?fico cont?nuo. > > > > Cumprimentos, > > Abdalla Omari > > Presidente, Comiss?o de Governa??o > > > > ????????. > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:53:04 +0300 > From: Noah > > To: Anthony Ubah > > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >, > govcom at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Table of changes: AFRINIC Bylaw > review > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Ubah > > Before I could read further, I ran into the below statement in quotes. > > "AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion.". > > I disagree categorically with the above rationale and it's not new because > we as a community have in the past had similar arguments of how AfriNIC is > somehow a book keeper from a certain member of the community which goes to > undermine AfriNICs role in the Internet ecosystem. > > Noah > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, 23:06 Anthony Ubah, > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > These few days I have discussed with some of my professors and colleagues, > > who are also members of this community regarding the Bylaw review. I > > pondered how the ByLaw could be edited in a manner that allows community > > opinion to be presented in an even better way. > > > > Thus, I have a few inputs; > > > > > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > > > > > > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *6.1* > > > > Membership shall be open to: > > > > > > > > (i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services > > in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of > > providing, open system protocol network services; or > > > > > > > > (ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend *Article 6.1* > > > > *(i)* so that it may be read as follows: > > > > > > > > Membership shall be open to *any corporate which complies with Internet > > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term ?person? shall be amended into ?corporate? because most of the > > current membership holders are corporate instead of ?persons?. > > > > > > > > Membership shall be open to any corporate which comply with Internet > > Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC community instead of setting > > geographical criteria as community discussion is what matters the most here. > > > > *6.4* > > > > Resource Member - A legal entity (local Internet registry or end-site) > > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > > the following formalities cumulatively: > > > > (i) justified its need for the right to use Internet Number Resources to > > AFRINIC > > > > (ii) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement; and > > > > (iii) paid the relevant setup membership fees related to Internet Number > > Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service. > > > > > > > > > > To amend *Article 6.4 *by deleting the provisions under (i), so that > > Article 6.4 reads as follows: > > > > > > > > *Resource Member ? A legal entity (local internet registry or end-site) > > shall be deemed to be a Resource Member of AFRINIC after it has completed > > the following formalities cumulatively:* > > > > *(i) signed AFRINIC?s Registration Service Agreement* > > > > *(ii) paid the relevant setup and membership fees related to Internet > > Number Resources allocated/assigned to it by AFRINIC Registration Service.* > > > > > > > > > > > > AFRINIC is just a book-keeper and shall not be involved in policy-related > > matters by requiring Resource Members to justify their needs to AFRINIC. > > Also, this shall not appear in Bylaws - how resources are distributed shall > > be decided by Policy approved by community discussion. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.2** (ii)* > > > > The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon: > > > > > > > > (ii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Resource Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to membership > > of the Company or ceased to comply with Number Resources Management > > Policies; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > > > > > (ii) *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, > > determining that the Resource Members has ceased to satisfy criteria for > > admission to membership of the Company or ceased to comply with Number > > Resources Management Policies; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This shall be decided by Internet Resources Policy approved by AFRINIC > > community instead of the Board. The Board shall not be involved in Internet > > Resources Policy-related matters. > > > > > > > > *8.2**(iii)* > > > > (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this > > Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Propose to be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > > basis. > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.2**(v)* > > > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and > > in good faith, shall determine from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time > > it desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > *8.3**(iii)* > > > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for admission to Associate > > membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To amend Article 8.3(iii) so that it may be read as follows: > > > > > > > > *the Internet Resources Policy as approved by the AFRINIC community*, > > determining that the Associate Member has ceased to satisfy criteria for > > admission to Associate membership of the Company; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > > basis. > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.3**(iv)* > > > > the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the > > Associate Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of > > this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is against the spirit of the community because it leaves a > > possibility of the Board abusing its power. There is no general test or > > safeguard to determine whether the Board is ?acting reasonably and in good > > faith? and it allows the Board to make such determination on an arbitrary > > basis. > > > > > > > > *8.3**(vi)* > > > > such other event or such other grounds as the Board, acting reasonably and > > in good faith, shall determine from time to time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be deleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original wordings of ?such other event or such other grounds? is too > > vague and can technically be exercised on an arbitrary basis by the Board > > and may thus lead to the Board abusing its power. > > > > > > > > Moreover, There is no general test or safeguard to determine whether the > > Board is ?acting reasonably and in good faith?. > > > > > > > > Worst of all, the Board is allowed to make such determination at any time > > it desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.4* > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees > > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not > > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > > whether in whole or in part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so that it reads as follows: > > > > > > > > Termination shall not relieve a member from any obligation to pay any fees > > payable to the Company on or before the date of termination and shall not > > entitle the Resource and Associate Member to any refund of any fees, > > whether in whole or in part, *whilst subjected to the condition that > > unless the termination of membership is due to circumstances not caused by > > the Resource or Associate Member then the Resource or Associate Member > > shall be entitled to, without further challenge from the Company, refund, > > whether in whole or in part, in accordance to the circumstances of each > > case.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The circumstances for the termination of membership are very vague and > > unclear. > > > > > > > > It assumes that even if the incident which leads to the termination is not > > caused by the fault/role of the Resource/Associate Member, the innocent > > Resource/Associate Member will still not be entitled to any refunds. This > > is not addressed in the original wordings of the provision and is > > one-sidedly in favor of the Company only. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *8.5* > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > > resources allocated to it by the Company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended as follows: > > > > > > > > The Resource Member shall, on termination of its membership, return the > > resources allocated to it by the Company, *unless such resources is > > already allocated or in usage then such resources need not be returned to > > the Company despite the termination of the Resource Member?s membership.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To avoid disruption to end-user. > > > > > > > > *11.4* > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3 the Board may adopt such > > policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it > > considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the > > proper and responsible usage of these resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended to read as follows: > > > > > > > > Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.3* but subject to Article > > 11.5,* the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of > > internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and > > urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > To ensure that Article 11.4 is not read in isolation and instead to be > > read in conjunction of other provisions of Article 11. In other words, to > > ensure that Article 11 is read and construed in its entirety, i.e. as a > > whole. > > > > *Existing Provisions* > > > > *Proposed Amendments* > > > > *Rationale for Amendments* > > > > > > > > *11.5(ii)* > > > > Endorsement of policy adopted by the Board: > > > > > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > > endorsed, the said policy shall not be enforced or implemented following > > its non-endorsement; however, any action taken in terms of the policy prior > > to such non-endorsement shall remain valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > > > > > (ii) In the event that such a policy submitted by the Board is not > > endorsed *or there is lack of response from the community*, the said > > policy shall not be enforced or implemented following its non-endorsement; *however, > > any action taken in terms of the policy prior to such non-endorsement shall > > remain valid.* > > > > > > > > **bold stroked words = to be deleted > > > > > > > > > > > > If the community does not endorse such policies made under Article 11.4 > > then it shall not be further implemented even in the absence of any > > response from the community. > > > > > > > > For the Board to proceed endorsing policies before obtaining the > > community?s endorsement for the time being would be equivalent to the Board > > implementing policies arbitrarily until it is rejected otherwise by the > > community. This may potentially also lead to an abuse of power from the > > Board. > > > > > > > > > > > > *12.4* > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or > > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > > proceedings at that Meeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be amended so as to read as follows: > > > > > > > > Any accidental omission to give notice of an Annual General Members? > > Meeting called under Article 11.1 to, or the failure to receive notice of > > an Annual General Members? Meeting called under Article 11.1 by a Member or > > any other Person entitled to receive notice shall not invalidate the > > proceedings at that Meeting, *provided that such accidental omission to > > give notice or the failure to receive the notice shall not be due to the > > fault of the Board.* > > > > > > > > This is a very one-sided disclaimer from the Company. > > > > > > > > If the Board?s accidental omission to give notice or a Member?s failure to > > receive notice is due to the fault caused by the Board then the Board shall > > take responsibility for its own mistake by invalidating the Meeting. > > > > > > > > Moreover, such an accidental omission to give notice to the relevant > > Members can also be used as an excuse for the Board?s personal agenda > > whereby the Board may pick and choose which Members are to be notified with > > the Board not subjected to any consequences. This could potentially lead to > > abuse of power exercised in a subtle manner from the Board. > > wrote: >Some of the questions you asked have answers in the monthly updates to the >community, and others do not. Eddy, You are mistaken. Please point out to me where any one of my several questions have been answered. Please post relevant excerpts from any one of your monthly updates that provide -real- and -concrete- answers to any one of the many direct questions I have asked. You cannot, because your monthly updates only repeatedly make the vague and non-specific and ongoing claim that "we are working on it". The Lord created the Heaven and the Earth in seven days. The evidence is abundantly clear that you and your staff have been unable to make even trivial remedial changes to the WHOIS data base, even given 8.5 months! If you think that you can explain why that is the case, in clear terms, then please proceed. I am all ears. >We will provide comprehensive feedback to your questions by Wednesday next >week. Why wait? You claim that you have at least some answers now, so why not post them TODAY? Why are you using yet more delaying tactics? Do you have some more pressing engagements? >To manage your expectations... Eddy, this is all you have done for 8.5 months now... manage and massage people's expectations in order to insure that they will not incorrectly get their hopes up that management or the Board will at long last come clean about this whole sordid business, and about who, beyond Ernest, is being protected to this day. Well, I am tired of having my expectations managed downward by you, and the dues-paying members and the community should be also. Nobody has gotten any answers and you are still stonewalling, evading, and delaying. What will be magically different by next Wednesday that is not already true today? Is some angel going to come down from Heaven at the appointed hour next Wednesday and give you all of the answers to all of the pressing questions, even though you apparently have absolutely no answers to any of these questions today? Or are you just delaying for the sake of delaying, as you have been for a full 8.5 months now? >the items that are still under >investigation may not have all the details you would expect. See above. The Lord created the Heaven and the Earth in seven days. You, together with your entire staff AND the Board AND whatever little useless assistance you have managed to obtain from the world-famous Mauritius High-Tech Cybercrime Squad have produced essentially -zero- results of any kind even given a whole 8.5 months to perform your "investigation". So how much more time do you need before you can give myself, the dues- paying members, and the AFRINIC community as a whole even just the detail-free answers that you are now promising? Do you need another 8.5 months? Another five years? Ten? But I am being silly! You won't even answer that simple and straightforward question in a straightforward manner, will you? I know. I know. You and your staff are "working on it". Regards, rfg From rfg at tristatelogic.com Thu Aug 20 22:39:29 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:39:29 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? In-Reply-To: <01aa01d67730$c5b5cd50$512167f0$@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <21181.1597963169@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Eddy, I confess that I am still entirely perplexed by your inability and/or unwillingness to answer the questions I have raised until next Wednesday, the 26th of August. What exactly is the significance of that date? Are you trying to time your responses so that they will coincide with the planned international celebrations of the humiliating defeat of France at the Battle of Crecy in 1346? Or do you need some time to coordinate, before replying, with other AFRINIC insiders to make sure that you all have your stories straight, and that you will all give the same answers when pressed about these matters? Setting that aside, perahps you will at least answer one single question for me without delay: Whose interests are being served, and who is being protected by your refusal to share copies of Mr. Cohen's legal filing against AFRINIC even with the people who pay your salary, i.e. the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who are also being sued? Are you refusing to release copies of the legal complaint in order to protect Mr. Cohen? The Board? Someone else? Regards, rfg From hrobert at africacert.org Fri Aug 21 12:15:48 2020 From: hrobert at africacert.org (Jean-Robert Hountomey) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 08:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Ongoing_thefts_of_AFRINIC_Legacy_Re?= =?utf-8?q?sources_--_Ongoing_collusion=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20996.1597960513@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <20996.1597960513@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <1598012148.484729978@apps.rackspace.com> Dear Eddy, We am so sorry you are going through this. We write to let you know that you are not alone. Many people are actively monitoring the situation and understand that you have inherited difficult affairs. Recent emails remind us of the hummingbird's story and "The Man in the Arena" from President Roosevelt. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better?." We also understand that you need the less, a toxic climate, unnecessary pressure, opinions that lead nowhere but into a slippery path. Haste leads to errors, and one should not rush into action to appear decisive. We get that a party providing excessive details publicly on a court case to people who are not even mandated may do so at his peril. Thank you for doing your best. With understanding. Regards. Jean-Robert Hountomey. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hrobert at africacert.org Fri Aug 21 13:32:39 2020 From: hrobert at africacert.org (Jean-Robert Hountomey) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Ongoing_thefts_of_AFRINIC_Legacy_Re?= =?utf-8?q?sources_--_Ongoing_collusion=3F?= In-Reply-To: <21181.1597963169@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <21181.1597963169@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <1598016759.57214699@apps.rackspace.com> Dear Ronald, I will not comment on the case or anything further. "To be blunt, I am frankly appalled that all of you folks in the AFRINIC region seem to be carrying on with "business as usual" when it is so abundantly self-evident that both AFRINIC management and the AFRINIC board are so clearly still covering up for thefts and for thieves." Your bluntness with "all of you folks in the AFRINIC region" is rude. I write to let you know that your statement is inaccurate. I do not believe either that it is appropriate and a sign of leadership to push someone dealing with a hot situation, into the fire. "Whose interests are being served, and who is being protected by your refusal to share copies of Mr. Cohen's legal filing against AFRINIC even with the people who pay your salary, i.e. the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who are also being sued? Are you refusing to release copies of the legal complaint in order to protect Mr. Cohen? The Board? Someone else?" We all have standards of responsible behavior to uphold. When someone comes to a public place with this type of politics, all his hard work becomes meaningless. It does not hurt to tame one's opinions and take the time to offer well thought out information. "AFRINC being sued" The information was seen on twitter few months ago. What worries the most is: "In a notice sent to individuals and organisations that hold IP addresses in the African region, AFRINIC CEO Eddy Kayihura stated that an application for an interim injunction against AFRINIC was brought before the Commercial Division of the Supreme Court of Mauritius." Does AfriNIC have data classification and information exchange policies? If so, is the CEO's notice sent to ?individuals and organisations? meant to be public? Yours respectfully. Jean-Robert Hountomey -----Original Message----- From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:39pm To: "Eddy Kayihura" Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion? Eddy, I confess that I am still entirely perplexed by your inability and/or unwillingness to answer the questions I have raised until next Wednesday, the 26th of August. What exactly is the significance of that date? Are you trying to time your responses so that they will coincide with the planned international celebrations of the humiliating defeat of France at the Battle of Crecy in 1346? Or do you need some time to coordinate, before replying, with other AFRINIC insiders to make sure that you all have your stories straight, and that you will all give the same answers when pressed about these matters? Setting that aside, perahps you will at least answer one single question for me without delay: Whose interests are being served, and who is being protected by your refusal to share copies of Mr. Cohen's legal filing against AFRINIC even with the people who pay your salary, i.e. the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who are also being sued? Are you refusing to release copies of the legal complaint in order to protect Mr. Cohen? The Board? Someone else? 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Owen > On Aug 20, 2020, at 13:56 , Noah wrote: > > Owen > > Please save me the political correctness but you seemed to have skipped the defamatory allegations that were made by the "someone" without evidence. > > Noah > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 23:37 Owen DeLong, > wrote: > Noah, > > Ad hominem attacks such as calling someone a sock puppet are not welcome on this list. > > Owen > > >> On Aug 20, 2020, at 08:55 , Noah > wrote: >> >> Jane, >> >> Its rather difficult to give sock puppets any serious attention. >> >> Noah >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 18:02 A.T Jane, > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> From Ronald?s reply, it?s clear that Madhvi, AFRINIC?s Senior IP Resources Specialist was involved in this entire scandal. She tried to help Ernst to conceal this entire thing and it really confuses me why such a person shall still be in the position of ?Senior IP Resources Specialist? when it?s obvious that she doesn?t even respect policy herself. >> >> It is just as if someone who is in the position of a security guard; he knows someone who illegally break into the place but still keeps his mouth shut. >> >> Shall this person be still in this position? Isn?t it this whole thing absurd? I have never seen anything more corrupt and darker than this. >> >> Jane >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfg at tristatelogic.com Mon Aug 24 04:48:23 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Ongoing_thefts_of_AFRINIC_Legacy_Re?= =?utf-8?q?sources_--_Ongoing_collusion=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1598016759.57214699@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: <36000.1598244503@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message <1598016759.57214699 at apps.rackspace.com>, "Jean-Robert Hountomey" wrote: >I will not comment on the case or anything further. Who asked you *or* AFRICACERT to comment on this matter AT ALL? I sure didn't! This is a matter for AFRINIC to sort out, *not* AFRICACERT. In fact, I have no idea why you would even think that any of this is any business of AFRICACERT. As far as I can tell, it isn't. The WHOIS data base belongs to and is maintained by AFRINIC... *not* AFRICACERT. It is AFRINIC's responsibility to correct all of the cases where the records can be easily shown to have been corrupted by yet another crooked AFRINIC insider. Specifically, as I have already said, all of these cases: 163.198.0.0/16 ORG-AA79-AFRINIC 164.88.0.0/16 ORG-AHL1-AFRINIC 165.3.0.0/16 -none- 165.4.0.0/16 -none- *** 168.80.0.0/15 ORG-AISL1-AFRINIC 196.16.0.0/14 ORG-IA41-AFRINIC 155.159.0.0/16 ORG-SCS1-AFRINIC 163.197.0.0/16 ORG-AA78-AFRINIC 164.155.0.0/16 ORG-SL72-AFRINIC 196.15.64.0/18 ORG-ZZ21-AFRINIC 160.121.0.0/16 ORG-MPL1-AFRINIC 155.235.0.0/16 ORG-AM1-AFRINIC 196.10.61.0/24 ORG-ZZ154-AFRINIC 196.10.62.0/23 ORG-ZZ154-AFRINIC 196.10.64.0/19 ORG-ZZ154-AFRINIC 160.116.0.0/16 ORG-ACSL2-AFRINIC 168.206.0.0/16 ORG-TAEB1-AFRINIC Anybody who takes the time to actually LOOK at the contact email addresses and/or phone numbers in any of the associated "person" contact records for any of the above, figure out where the domain names were registered and/or where the domain names currently resolve to, can easily see that ONE SINGLE PARTY has screwed with all of these associated contact records. (I will elaborate further, and in detail, if neither AFRINIC nor AFRICACERT is capable of figuring out, based on the abundant data and evidence, what has really gone on here. I have refrained from doing so up till now because I didn't want to be accused of treating any of you like "bird brains", to use Adiel Akplogan's term.) Look, this isn't complicated. The records need to be un-hacked. They needed to be un-hacked already eight and a half months ago. But absolutely *nothing* has happened to fix these records in all that time. And also, it seems that even given a full 8.5 months, the Mauritian police still can't find Uganda on a map. So our dear Mr. Ernest Byaruhanga is free to live a life of luxury, back in his home country, enjoying all of the profits he made from his crimes. In fact, it seeems that the one and only thing that has happened in all of the last eight and a half months is that Mr. Cohen has filed suit against AFRINIC... an action that remains entirely puzzling to everyone except a few privileged insiders who have seen the legal complaint. I mean what did AFRINIC ever do to Mr. Cohen other than allow him to *keep* all of his stolen legacy blocks? Mr. Cohen has claimed, on multiple occasions and in multiple public venues that he legitimately "purchased" all of the above blatantly stolen legacy blocks from some unspecified single party. Of course he also claimed that about all of the abandoned legacy blcoks that he helped himself to in the APNIC region. But in the case of the AFRINIC legacy blocks listed above, Mr. Cohen was not just squatting on the blocks. Some crooked insider within AFRINIC had to give him the keys so that he could edit and manipulate the associated person contact records in each case, until they all contained email addresses and phone numbers that belonged to him. So who was that? Who is the second crooked insider inside of AFRINIC? And why should anyone in their right mind believe that after eight and a half months of total silence, AFRINIC and AFRICACERT are intent on doing anything other than covering all of this up, and sweeping the whole matter under the carpet as quietly as possible? Oh! Sorry! I forgot! You don't want to comment. And neither does any official from AFRINIC, apparently. I believe I can understand why. There is no excuse for allowing Mr. Cohen to keep all of his stolen goods, even to the present day. There is no excuse for hiding Mr. Cohen's lawsuit from the dues-paying members of AFRINIC, who are also being sued in this legal action. Regards, rfg From rfg at tristatelogic.com Mon Aug 24 05:44:13 2020 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Ongoing_thefts_of_AFRINIC_Legacy_Re?= =?utf-8?q?sources_--_Ongoing_collusion=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1598012148.484729978@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: <36192.1598247853@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message <1598012148.484729978 at apps.rackspace.com>, "Jean-Robert Hountomey" wrote: >Recent emails remind us of the hummingbird's story and "The Man in the Arena" >from President Roosevelt. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who >points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have >done them better..." Mr. Hountomey, I am so glad that you brought this up, but you seem to be apologizing to the wrong party. You see, in this instance, *I* am the man in the arena. Who did all of the hard work, for months on end, to expose the corruption that was embedded deep within AFRINIC? Who collected and then laid out all of the facts to prove the case against Mr. Ernest Byaruhanga, even beyond a reasonable doubt? Who described, in detail, exactly what was stolen, and how, and by whom, even though all of this corruption and self-dealing had been going on for literally YEARS, right under the noses of the AFRINIC staff and the Board? And who now has to put up with all of the backbiting and dismissal and denegration of his work by those who have only sat around this whole time with their hands in their pockets? That would be me. >We also understand that you need the less, a toxic climate, unnecessary >pressure, opinions that lead nowhere but into a slippery path. Haste leads to >errors, and one should not rush into action to appear decisive. We get that a >party providing excessive details publicly on a court case to people who are >not even mandated may do so at his peril. This is quite certainly one of the most ridiculous paragraphs I have ever read in my entire 37 years on the Internet. Firsly, the only "toxcicity" here is the way any dissent from the "party line" of the official spokespeople is being treated like treason. This may be appropriate in Belarus, or in Mr. Trump's America, but I had hoped for some more enlightened attitudes in Africa. Second, it seems that asking for answers, when the community has had -zero- answers about any of these matters for a full eight and a half months consitutes "unnecessary pressure". If so, then I plead guilty, and I can only hope that others will join me in NOT wanting to wait for another year, or two, or five before we get some straight answers. As regards to "haste" leading to errors... You have GOT to be kidding!! As I have already said, the Lord created the Heaven and the Earth in seven days, but AFRINIC apparently can't seem to sort out the simple problem of un-doing the obviously corrupt changes in its own data base, even given eight and a half months!! If this is what passes for "haste" in the African context, then I have to say that I am damn well surprised to know that anybody on your continent even manages to make it all the way in to work in the morning. And if expecting the un-doing of blatantly corrupt garbage in the AFRINIC WHOIS data base in something less than geological time frames implies a "rush to action" then I frankly have to wonder why there is any Internet connectivity in Africa AT ALL. Clearly someone "rushed to action" and actually did something useful to create this at some point, so maybe "rushing to action" is actually desirable from time to time. (But of course, there are always going to be bureaucrats in any society who NEVER "rush to action" and who actually do absolutely nothing, but who expect to be fed anyway.) As regards to sharing "excessive details publicly on a court case", as I have already pointed out, the dues-paying MEMBERS of the member-based oganization called AFRINIC are being sued, and neither the Board nor the CEO nor any other party has the right to keep the lawsuit filing in this case secret from these dues-paying members WHO ARE EACH AND SEVERALLY PARTIES TO THE LAWSUIT. In short, the CEO is *unilaterally* violating both the law and common practice in all civilized countries. (But perhaps the term "civilized country" doesn't include Mauritius, so that he can get away with this kind of crooked skulduggery.) But even if we set aside the fact that the CEO is acting illegally by trying to hide the lawsuit from the members, we still have to ask the question: Why all of the unnecessary secrecy? What is the CEO afraid of? What are YOU afraid of, Mr. Hountomey? You are behaving just like our dear Mr. Trump, who is still refusing to release his tax returns. Why would he do that unless there was something incriminating against him personally in those documents? So who would be harmed if copies of Mr. Cohen's lawsuit were given to the dues-paying members? You still have not answered that. What is the deep dark secret that the CEO doesn't want the dues-paying members to know? Are you both just protecting the reputation of some "illustrious man" from the AFRINIC region? The truth will come out in the end. It always does. And thus, I encourage you to begin thinking about YOUR OWN reputation. You can either do the right thing, get the facts out on the table, or else in the end, you will seen to have been just another pawn of powerful men and their corrupt and self-serving schemes. 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URL: From ish at lsl.digital Wed Aug 26 08:06:10 2020 From: ish at lsl.digital (Ish Sookun) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:06:10 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions to Board candidates for Seat 3 Message-ID: <6f370d80-31f7-254d-1386-6d66fd16732f@lsl.digital> Hello Mr Moonesamy & Mr Usmani, Congratulations on your nominations for the AFRINIC Board elections candidacy. As you both are running for Seat 3, i.e the Indian Ocean, I have a few questions for you that as a community member I would appreciate your views. What are your views on the involvement of young people from the Indian Ocean, particularly Mauritius, in the policy discussions related to the Internet? What are your views on the AFRINIC Fellowship programme? Do you think it could be improved, if yes, how? Have you ever had policy related conversations with AFRINIC Fellows? Regards, Ish Sookun From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com Wed Aug 26 10:58:52 2020 From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (S Moonesamy) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions to Board candidates for Seat 3 In-Reply-To: <6f370d80-31f7-254d-1386-6d66fd16732f@lsl.digital> References: <6f370d80-31f7-254d-1386-6d66fd16732f@lsl.digital> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20200826023937.0af9a5f0@elandnews.com> Dear Mr Sookun, At 01:06 AM 26-08-2020, Ish Sookun wrote: >Congratulations on your nominations for the AFRINIC Board elections candidacy. Thank you. >As you both are running for Seat 3, i.e the Indian Ocean, I have a >few questions for you that as a community member I would appreciate your views. > >What are your views on the involvement of young people from the >Indian Ocean, particularly Mauritius, in the policy discussions >related to the Internet? The number of younger people residing in the Indian Ocean sub-region who participate in discussions related to number resources is quite low. My opinion is based on the substantive comments posted to the RPD mailing list [1] instead of the number of messages posted by the persons. As for the involvement of younger people from Mauritius, there is only one person who has participated in the discussions since the beginning of this year. >What are your views on the AFRINIC Fellowship programme? Do you >think it could be improved, if yes, how? The Fellowship programme provides an opportunity for people in this service region to attend an Afrinic meeting if they do not have the means to do so. The objective of the programme and the expected result(s) could be improved. The "how" is about execution and that is usually not done at Board level. >Have you ever had policy related conversations with AFRINIC Fellows? I had a few informal conversations with Afrinic fellows over the past three years. I remember an this impromptu session in Senegal in which an ICANN researcher discussed IPv6 with the fellows. I also participated in a newcomers session in Tunisia which was led by one of the PDWG co-Chairs. There was this interesting discussion about why one of the principles of the PDP is about "transparency". Regards, S. Moonesamy 1. https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd From eddy at afrinic.net Wed Aug 26 14:54:57 2020 From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:54:57 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Misappropriation of IP addresses in the AFRINIC region Message-ID: <08c101d67bb8$e7a3d100$b6eb7300$@afrinic.net> Dear Colleagues, Following recent statements in the press and on various mailing lists, AFRINIC has prepared a summary of the current situation regarding the misappropriation of IP addresses in the AFRINIC region. The purpose of this summary is to clarify what we know so far, what we have done, and what we are planning to do. We take this matter extremely seriously and have been following due diligence processes to ensure that we have sufficient evidence for the ongoing cases described in the summary. The summary is available here. We welcome any useful information from AFRINIC members or the wider Internet community regarding any misappropriation of resources in the AFRINIC region. In situations where you prefer to send an anonymous report, you can use the AFRINIC Whistleblowing form hosted on EthicsPoint's secure servers. You can, of course, also feel free to contact me directly. Kind regards, Eddy .. Chers coll?gues, Suite aux r?centes d?clarations dans la presse et sur les diverses listes de diffusion, AFRINIC a pr?par? un r?sum? de la situation actuelle concernant la manipulation non autoris?e d'adresses IP dans la r?gion AFRINIC. Le but de ce r?sum? est de clarifier ce que nous savons jusqu'? pr?sent, ce que nous avons fait et ce que nous pr?voyons de faire. Nous prenons cette affaire tr?s au s?rieux et nous avons suivi des proc?dures de diligence raisonnable pour nous assurer que nous disposons de preuves suffisantes pour les cas en cours d?crits dans le r?sum?. Le r?sum? est disponible ici. Nous appr?cierions toute information utile des membres d'AFRINIC ou de la communaut? Internet au sens large concernant tout manipulation non autoris?e de ressources dans la r?gion AFRINIC. Si vous souhaitez faire un rapport anonyme, vous pouvez utiliser le formulaire de 'whistleblowing' d'AFRINIC h?berg? sur les serveurs s?curis?s d'EthicsPoint. Bien entendu, vous pouvez ?galement me contacter directement. 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Best On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 15:55, Eddy Kayihura wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Following recent statements in the press and on various mailing lists, > AFRINIC has prepared a summary of the current situation regarding the > misappropriation of IP addresses in the AFRINIC region. The purpose of this > summary is to clarify what we know so far, what we have done, and what we > are planning to do. > > We take this matter extremely seriously and have been following due > diligence processes to ensure that we have sufficient evidence for the > ongoing cases described in the summary. > > > The summary is available here > > . > > > > We welcome any useful information from AFRINIC members or the wider > Internet community regarding any misappropriation of resources in the > AFRINIC region. In situations where you prefer to send an anonymous report, > you can use the AFRINIC Whistleblowing form hosted on EthicsPoint's > secure servers > . > You can, of course, also feel free to contact me directly. > > > Kind regards, > > Eddy > > > > ???????????.. > > Chers coll?gues, > > > > Suite aux r?centes d?clarations dans la presse et sur les diverses listes > de diffusion, AFRINIC a pr?par? un r?sum? de la situation actuelle > concernant la manipulation non autoris?e d'adresses IP dans la r?gion > AFRINIC. Le but de ce r?sum? est de clarifier ce que nous savons jusqu'? > pr?sent, ce que nous avons fait et ce que nous pr?voyons de faire. > > > > Nous prenons cette affaire tr?s au s?rieux et nous avons suivi des > proc?dures de diligence raisonnable pour nous assurer que nous disposons de > preuves suffisantes pour les cas en cours d?crits dans le r?sum?. > > > > Le r?sum? est disponible ici > > . > > > > Nous appr?cierions toute information utile des membres d'AFRINIC ou de la > communaut? Internet au sens large concernant tout manipulation non > autoris?e de ressources dans la r?gion AFRINIC. Si vous souhaitez faire un > rapport anonyme, vous pouvez utiliser le formulaire de 'whistleblowing' > d'AFRINIC h?berg? sur les serveurs s?curis?s d'EthicsPoint > . > Bien entendu, vous pouvez ?galement me contacter directement. > > > > Cordialement, > > > > ---- > > > > Eddy Kayihura > > > > Chief Executive Officer > > > > African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) > > > > t: +230 403 5100 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raul at echeberria.org Wed Aug 26 15:29:53 2020 From: raul at echeberria.org (=?utf-8?B?UmHDumwgRWNoZWJlcnLDrWE=?=) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:29:53 -0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Misappropriation of IP addresses in the AFRINIC region In-Reply-To: <08c101d67bb8$e7a3d100$b6eb7300$@afrinic.net> References: <08c101d67bb8$e7a3d100$b6eb7300$@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Congratulations Eddy: The report is very clear (as clear as, i guess, it can be due to the legal restrictions) and it seems you are doing a very professional work here. It shows also a very productive cooperation between AFRINIC and APNIC. According the report, you have already recovered 1/3 of the misappropriated space (1.33 million of IPv4 addresses) That?s very good. It shows that it is feasible to revert this situation. I wish you all the success in recovering as much of the rest of the 4 million addresses as possible. Best, Ra?l > El 26 ago. 2020, a las 11:54, Eddy Kayihura escribi?: > > Dear Colleagues, > > Following recent statements in the press and on various mailing lists, AFRINIC has prepared a summary of the current situation regarding the misappropriation of IP addresses in the AFRINIC region. The purpose of this summary is to clarify what we know so far, what we have done, and what we are planning to do. > > We take this matter extremely seriously and have been following due diligence processes to ensure that we have sufficient evidence for the ongoing cases described in the summary. > > The summary is available here . > > We welcome any useful information from AFRINIC members or the wider Internet community regarding any misappropriation of resources in the AFRINIC region. In situations where you prefer to send an anonymous report, you can use the AFRINIC Whistleblowing form hosted on EthicsPoint's secure servers . You can, of course, also feel free to contact me directly. > > Kind regards, > Eddy > > ???????????.. > Chers coll?gues, > > Suite aux r?centes d?clarations dans la presse et sur les diverses listes de diffusion, AFRINIC a pr?par? un r?sum? de la situation actuelle concernant la manipulation non autoris?e d'adresses IP dans la r?gion AFRINIC. Le but de ce r?sum? est de clarifier ce que nous savons jusqu'? pr?sent, ce que nous avons fait et ce que nous pr?voyons de faire. > > Nous prenons cette affaire tr?s au s?rieux et nous avons suivi des proc?dures de diligence raisonnable pour nous assurer que nous disposons de preuves suffisantes pour les cas en cours d?crits dans le r?sum?. > > Le r?sum? est disponible ici . > > Nous appr?cierions toute information utile des membres d'AFRINIC ou de la communaut? Internet au sens large concernant tout manipulation non autoris?e de ressources dans la r?gion AFRINIC. 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URL: From comms at afrinic.net Thu Aug 27 05:30:14 2020 From: comms at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:30:14 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Registration for the Elections of PDP Co-Chair and NRO NC Opens Message-ID: <65F1586F-F1DF-4678-907C-547984C64B1F@afrinic.net> [French, Arabic and Portuguese versions below] Dear colleagues, We are pleased to inform that the Registration for the Elections of PDP Co-Chair and NRO NC opens today and closes at 19:59 UTC on 6 September 2020. Voters who fulfill the criteria, as laid down in the Election Process 2020 available at > under Section 5.1b and 5.1.c will soon receive further information from the Election Committee on the how to vote and access the voting interface. For any queries, please contact us on ecom at afrinic.net You may view the profiles of the of PDP Co-Chair at >, and NRO NC elections at >. Sincerely, For and on behalf of the Election Committee ????????????????... Chers coll?gues, Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que l'inscription pour les ?lections du copr?sident du PDP et du NRO NC d?bute aujourd'hui et se termine ? 19h59 UTC le 6 septembre 2020. Les ?lecteurs qui remplissent les crit?res, tels que d?finis dans le Processus ?lectoral 2020 disponible ? > sous la section 5.1b et 5.1.c recevront bient?t des informations suppl?mentaires de la part du Comit? ?lectoral sur la mani?re de voter et d'acc?der ? l'interface de vote. Pour toute question, veuillez nous contacter ? l'adresse suivante : ecom at afrinic.net Vous pouvez consulter les profils des copr?sidents du PDP ? >, et les ?lections du NRO NC ? >. Cordialement, Pour et au nom de la comit? electoral ????????????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? PDP ? NRO NC ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? 19:59 ???????? ??????? ?????? ?? 6 ?????? 2020. ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? ???????? ? ??? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? 2020 ??????? ??? > ????? ????? 5.1b ? 5.1.c ?????? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ????. ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ???????. ???? ????????? ? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ecom at afrinic.net ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?????? ??????? PDP ??? > ? ????????? NRO NC ??? >. ??????? ????? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????????.. Caros colegas, Temos o prazer de informar que o Registo para as Elei??es do Co-Presidente do PDP e do NRO NC abre hoje e encerra ?s 19:59 UTC de 6 de Setembro de 2020. Os eleitores que preencherem os crit?rios, conforme estabelecido no Processo Eleitoral 2020 dispon?vel em > na sec??o 5.1b e 5.1.c, receber?o em breve mais informa??es da Comiss?o Eleitoral sobre a forma de votar e de aceder ? interface de vota??o. Para quaisquer quest?es, por favor contacte-nos em ecom at afrinic.net Pode ver os perfis do Co-Presidente do PDP em >, e as elei??es NRO NC em >. Com os melhores cumprimentos, Para e em nome da Comit? Eleitoral -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geier at geier.ne.tz Thu Aug 27 18:57:25 2020 From: geier at geier.ne.tz (Frank Habicht) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:57:25 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] requesting database cleanup Message-ID: <6c2e2404-9943-f811-a698-ebc3a94a01cb@geier.ne.tz> Hi, sorry for the disturbance in the regular programming. I was about to ask (on this list or another) for a contact to help clean up a suspicious entry in the RADB IRR - yes, not related to AfriNIC. but looking at the entry: $ whois AS64500 [Querying whois.radb.net] [whois.radb.net] aut-num: AS64500 as-name: LARUS-2 descr: Larus Cloud Service Limited admin-c: Tingting Xu tech-c: tingting xu mnt-by: MAINT-LARUS changed: h.lu at laruscloudservice.net 20180622 #08:42:16Z source: RADB I was wondering if maybe someone subscribed to *this* mailing list was the creator and has full ability to remove an aut-num object, which per RFC5398 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5398 [how did I get to that? https://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/as-numbers.xhtml] ... is an ASN reserved for documentation. Does anyone have the power to just remove this object referring to an ASN that is not theirs? PS: yes, I was reading some documentation with this ASN and was not aware of the reservation, and looked it up in whois, and got the "funny" entry in RADB... PPS: possible improvement: if anyone can get RADB to prevent reserves ASNs to be created in their DB as aut-num, that'd be great. Thanks, Frank From noah at neo.co.tz Thu Aug 27 20:44:56 2020 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 23:44:56 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] requesting database cleanup In-Reply-To: <6c2e2404-9943-f811-a698-ebc3a94a01cb@geier.ne.tz> References: <6c2e2404-9943-f811-a698-ebc3a94a01cb@geier.ne.tz> Message-ID: Hi Frank I double checked bgp historical on he.net and seems like he.net also records the same https://bgp.he.net/AS64500#_irr And AS40978 PJSC "Football Club "Shakhtar" (Donetsk)" in Ukraine are the upstreams.... I think Owen indicated that he does some work for Larus Cloud Services and perhaps he can help fix this one as well :-) *./noah* neo - network engineering and operations On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:00 PM Frank Habicht wrote: > Hi, > > sorry for the disturbance in the regular programming. > > I was about to ask (on this list or another) for a contact to help clean > up a suspicious entry in the RADB IRR - yes, not related to AfriNIC. > > but looking at the entry: > > $ whois AS64500 > [Querying whois.radb.net] > [whois.radb.net] > aut-num: AS64500 > as-name: LARUS-2 > descr: Larus Cloud Service Limited > admin-c: Tingting Xu > tech-c: tingting xu > mnt-by: MAINT-LARUS > changed: h.lu at laruscloudservice.net 20180622 #08:42:16Z > source: RADB > > I was wondering if maybe someone subscribed to *this* mailing list was > the creator and has full ability to remove an aut-num object, which per > RFC5398 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5398 > [how did I get to that? > https://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/as-numbers.xhtml] > > ... is an ASN reserved for documentation. > > Does anyone have the power to just remove this object referring to an > ASN that is not theirs? > > PS: yes, I was reading some documentation with this ASN and was not > aware of the reservation, and looked it up in whois, and got the "funny" > entry in RADB... > > PPS: possible improvement: if anyone can get RADB to prevent reserves > ASNs to be created in their DB as aut-num, that'd be great. > > Thanks, > Frank > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Fri Aug 28 01:28:26 2020 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 18:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] requesting database cleanup In-Reply-To: References: <6c2e2404-9943-f811-a698-ebc3a94a01cb@geier.ne.tz> Message-ID: <4FEA8D39-2FBB-471A-890A-2FD8ACCABE80@delong.com> So, in order to register in RADB at a time when Larus had no ASN, just prefixes that they needed to maintain, MERIT suggested that the register using AS64500. That registration artifact is no longer necessary and has been deleted. Nothing to see here, please move along. Owen > On Aug 27, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Noah wrote: > > Hi Frank > > I double checked bgp historical on he.net and seems like he.net also records the same https://bgp.he.net/AS64500#_irr > > And AS40978 PJSC "Football Club "Shakhtar" (Donetsk)" in Ukraine are the upstreams.... > > I think Owen indicated that he does some work for Larus Cloud Services and perhaps he can help fix this one as well :-) > > ./noah > neo - network engineering and operations > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:00 PM Frank Habicht > wrote: > Hi, > > sorry for the disturbance in the regular programming. > > I was about to ask (on this list or another) for a contact to help clean > up a suspicious entry in the RADB IRR - yes, not related to AfriNIC. > > but looking at the entry: > > $ whois AS64500 > [Querying whois.radb.net ] > [whois.radb.net ] > aut-num: AS64500 > as-name: LARUS-2 > descr: Larus Cloud Service Limited > admin-c: Tingting Xu > tech-c: tingting xu > mnt-by: MAINT-LARUS > changed: h.lu at laruscloudservice.net 20180622 #08:42:16Z > source: RADB > > I was wondering if maybe someone subscribed to *this* mailing list was > the creator and has full ability to remove an aut-num object, which per > RFC5398 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5398 > [how did I get to that? > https://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/as-numbers.xhtml ] > > ... is an ASN reserved for documentation. > > Does anyone have the power to just remove this object referring to an > ASN that is not theirs? > > PS: yes, I was reading some documentation with this ASN and was not > aware of the reservation, and looked it up in whois, and got the "funny" > entry in RADB... > > PPS: possible improvement: if anyone can get RADB to prevent reserves > ASNs to be created in their DB as aut-num, that'd be great. > > Thanks, > Frank > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Fri Aug 28 11:23:50 2020 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 14:23:50 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] [AFRINIC-Announce] Announcement for Final Candidate Slate for Open Seat for the NRO NC elections Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:06 AM Madhvi Gokool wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > On behalf of the NomCom2020, AFRINIC is pleased to announce the following > final candidate slate for the open seat on the Number Resource Organisation > Number Council and Policy Development Working Group elections: > > Number Resource Organisation Number Council Election > > ? Janvier Ngnoulaye > ? Noah Maina > ? Saul Stein > Dear Community, As you are aware, I was nominated and elected overwhelmingly during the Nairobi AIS back in 2017 by the community as a community representative to the NRO-NC commonly referred to as ICANN ASO-AC. In the past two and half years, myself and my colleagues have diligently represented the AfriNIC community as council members of the ASO through attendance of several monthly online meetings and contributed to partinent discussions concerning the Address Support Organization from the selection of ASO-AC representatives to the ICANN board, the IANA Numbering Services Report etc. To this end, community members again supported my nomination to represent the community at the NRO-NC and while I thank those community members who have continued to believe in me and wished that I continue representing the community in this role after the end of my current term in December 2020, I have made a decision to withdraw so that others who have showed interest to serve the community at the ICANN NRO-NC, can also do so. I would like to note that It's important that we as a community continue to support *diverse representation* within our community and I wish to extend my full support to Janvier Ngnoulaye from Cameroon, who is *bilingual* and wish him the best of luck in the upcoming NRO-NC elections. I would like to take this opportunity to thank this great community and the team at AfriNIC for the support in the past years. Cheers, Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Owen > On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Chloe Kung wrote: > > I have read this bylaw review proposal and I fully support it. The community should always be first when it comes to making decisions, no matter the situation. > I think the current bylaws are underestimating the community?s voice, especially concerning the Internet resource policy compliance decisions, which I will say now and always, should not belong to the board. > > Chloe > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: