From gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr  Fri Nov  1 17:21:57 2019
From: gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr (Gregoire EHOUMI)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:21:57 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Continuous Negative Narrative Towards
 AfriNIC in the Press
References: <B1380664-193F-4182-8FC4-B6FC40F701C5.ref@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <B1380664-193F-4182-8FC4-B6FC40F701C5@yahoo.fr>


Thanks Noah for raising these important points...

I am like others very concerned by the allegations about theft of IP addresses for gain.
The silence of the organization and the community about these allegations sound incomprehensible. 

I urge the organisation to take the allegations very seriously, do the due diligence and inform the community on what we should know and expect.

It is also important that the organisation put in place clear and transparent mechanisms for reporting of abuses, issues relating to the resources and trustable systems of dealing with reports and complaints...

The Review proposal being discussed for the last 3 years should have created the conditions for actions in favour of collective stewardship of our resources. The proposal?s discussions archives are telling 


Best regards,

Gregoire EHOUMI









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From eddy at afrinic.net  Mon Nov  4 16:07:39 2019
From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:07:39 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Introduction and greetings
Message-ID: <36222e23-5784-3e7c-7e64-68fbea8a1b97@afrinic.net>

Dear Members and Community,

As you may have been aware, I have been appointed CEO of AFRINIC Ltd and 
today November 4th 2019 is my first day in office.

I wish to express my sincere appreciation for the warm and encouraging 
messages I received from many of you.

I am committed to serve you with utmost dedication and to facilitate a 
constructive and inclusive engagement within the community.

I look forward to working with each one of you as we continue to build a 
strong, resilient and successful organization that we are all proud of.

I will be available to meet with you during AFRINIC?s forthcoming 
meeting in Luanda, Angola, on 2-6 December, to discuss any issues you 
may have.

Yours sincerely,

Eddy

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From robert.ford at afrinic.net  Mon Nov  4 17:58:39 2019
From: robert.ford at afrinic.net (robert ford)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:58:39 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Introduction and greetings
In-Reply-To: <36222e23-5784-3e7c-7e64-68fbea8a1b97@afrinic.net>
References: <36222e23-5784-3e7c-7e64-68fbea8a1b97@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <8C264379-4900-43E9-BEF4-E920E1F62BF6@afrinic.net>

Dear Eddy,

We have all the confidence in your leadership to steer the company to greater success. You have our support.

Best Regards

RF
> On 4 Nov 2019, at 19:07, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Members and Community,
> 
> As you may have been aware, I have been appointed CEO of AFRINIC Ltd and today November 4th 2019 is my first day in office.
> I wish to express my sincere appreciation for the warm and encouraging messages I received from many of you. 
> I am committed to serve you with utmost dedication and to facilitate a constructive and inclusive engagement within the community.
> 
> I look forward to working with each one of you as we continue to build a strong, resilient and successful organization that we are all proud of. 
> I will be available to meet with you during AFRINIC?s forthcoming meeting in Luanda, Angola, on 2-6 December, to discuss any issues you may have. 
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
> Eddy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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From christianbope at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 20:45:59 2019
From: christianbope at gmail.com (Bope Domilongo Christian)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 00:45:59 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
Message-ID: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Community at large,

As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
limited section of legacy resources.

On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership
and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some
preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that
investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely
before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further
details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter.
At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties
are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure
the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain
stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides,
the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of
integrity.

Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
be appropriately apprised of the developments.

Best regards,
Dr Christian D. Bope
Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Tue Nov  5 06:59:08 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:59:08 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>

Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.

I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.

I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have
changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.

Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
than the Board.

Mark.

On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
> Dear Community at large,
>
> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database
> primarily a limited section of legacy resources.
>
> 
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
> membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has
> conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to
> let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be
> concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year.?We
> cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do
> not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest
> assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same
> time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are
> respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure
> the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to
> maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet
> resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully
> operational with high standards of integrity.
>
> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC
> operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established
> processes relating to the management of Internet resources under
> AFRINIC's ambit. The team is?already implementing some improvement
> measures at both the IT?Infrastructure and process level. As usual,
> the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>
> Best regards,?
> Dr Christian D. Bope
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors

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From dewole at tinitop.com  Tue Nov  5 07:13:02 2019
From: dewole at tinitop.com (Adewole Ajao)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:13:02 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
Message-ID: <CAOS=cAV13yfG59G=+ENiHF8vj_ND0KTFGJ8ijdW4PTLJo59vSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting
the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that
members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to
convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues
whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent
on behalf of AFRINIC the company).

Dewole.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
> investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>
> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
> AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
> AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>
> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed
> even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>
> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
> than the Board.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>
> Dear Community at large,
>
> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
> limited section of legacy resources.
>
> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership
> and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some
> preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that
> investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely
> before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further
> details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
> However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter.
> At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties
> are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure
> the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain
> stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides,
> the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of
> integrity.
>
> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>
> Best regards,
> Dr Christian D. Bope
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Tue Nov  5 07:20:49 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:20:49 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAOS=cAV13yfG59G=+ENiHF8vj_ND0KTFGJ8ijdW4PTLJo59vSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
 <CAOS=cAV13yfG59G=+ENiHF8vj_ND0KTFGJ8ijdW4PTLJo59vSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e9b27d59-55c1-adb7-c1a6-6e6bec59a0c3@seacom.mu>

Thanks, Dewole.

Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when
communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best
judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go
by the Board for review.

I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational
matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and
little progress will be made.

Mark.

On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this.
> Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of
> non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's
> unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any
> response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be
> able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC
> the company).
>
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>
>     Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
>     investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>
>     I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too
>     involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be
>     managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and
>     behind the scenes.
>
>     I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have
>     changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>
>     Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his
>     staff, than the Board.
>
>     Mark.
>
>     On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>     Dear Community at large,
>>
>>     As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some
>>     media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS
>>     database primarily a limited section of legacy resources.
>>
>>     
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
>>     membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has
>>     conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would
>>     like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and
>>     will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the
>>     year.?We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this
>>     stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
>>     However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of
>>     the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights
>>     of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the
>>     law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC
>>     members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable
>>     and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the
>>     AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high
>>     standards of integrity.
>>
>>     Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC
>>     operations team is currently reviewing some of the
>>     long-established processes relating to the management of Internet
>>     resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is?already implementing
>>     some improvement measures at both the IT?Infrastructure and
>>     process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be
>>     appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>
>>     Best regards,?
>>     Dr Christian D. Bope
>>     Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Community-Discuss mailing list
>     Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Tue Nov  5 07:24:24 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:24:24 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAOS=cAV13yfG59G=+ENiHF8vj_ND0KTFGJ8ijdW4PTLJo59vSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
 <CAOS=cAV13yfG59G=+ENiHF8vj_ND0KTFGJ8ijdW4PTLJo59vSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F6873DC-BCC3-4E4F-8FAB-A12E2D8489CA@consulintel.es>

+1

 

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 5/11/19 8:16, "Adewole Ajao" <dewole at tinitop.com> escribi?:

 

Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC the company).

 

Dewole.

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.

I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.

I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.

Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.

Mark.

On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:

Dear Community at large,

As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources. 

 


On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity. 

 

Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.

Best regards, 
Dr Christian D. Bope
Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors

 

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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 07:40:37 2019
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:40:37 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5aO8e=Jiqw4NrNRiL9fThy7=Zot=Gd8WkipOXquwGGRA+xVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cher Dr Bope,

I write this to support Mark and Dewole, so you know that they are not the
only one who think the board is EXCESSIVELY VISIBLE!

BoD job is provide oversight, not this. I believe BoD has other important
things that *is* their responsibility that has not yet been done.

This email is job of the CEO now that one has been appointed. You have no
business sending this email.

I truly hope it the last time we see such meddling into operation. We are
watching.

Please give M. Eddy a chance to do the job that you select him for.


Le mar. 5 nov. 2019 ? 00:46, Bope Domilongo Christian <
christianbope at gmail.com> a ?crit :

>
> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
> limited section of legacy resources.
>
> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership
> and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some
> preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that
> investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely
> before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further
> details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
> However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter.
> At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties
> are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure
> the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain
> stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides,
> the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of
> integrity.
>
> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>
> Best regards,
> Dr Christian D. Bope
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>


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From dewole at tinitop.com  Tue Nov  5 07:49:55 2019
From: dewole at tinitop.com (Adewole Ajao)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:49:55 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <e9b27d59-55c1-adb7-c1a6-6e6bec59a0c3@seacom.mu>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
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Message-ID: <CAOS=cAWKrG_Y2ggfXSB9eXv6CXqQEk9BccC+kM=7=xw7XD3_ZA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, Mark. It's the current board-routed management mode that will
cause fatigue and a perception of non-responsiveness. I'm sure the Board
hears our concerns and will hasten the process of helping the CEO settle
down into his new role. Being volunteers as well, they would/should be
happy to have their AFRINIC management workload reduced ASAP.

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

> Thanks, Dewole.
>
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when
> communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best
> judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by
> the Board for review.
>
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational
> matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and
> little progress will be made.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>
> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting
> the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that
> members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to
> convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues
> whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent
> on behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
>> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
>> investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>>
>> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
>> AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
>> AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>>
>> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed
>> even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>>
>> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
>> than the Board.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>
>> Dear Community at large,
>>
>> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
>> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
>> limited section of legacy resources.
>>
>> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
>> membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted
>> some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know
>> that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most
>> likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into
>> further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the
>> investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the
>> bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights
>> of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All
>> said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded
>> as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of
>> Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully
>> operational with high standards of integrity.
>>
>> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
>> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
>> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
>> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
>> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
>> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dr Christian D. Bope
>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 08:36:37 2019
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:36:37 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <e9b27d59-55c1-adb7-c1a6-6e6bec59a0c3@seacom.mu>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
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AFRINIC has what is called the "Delegation of Authority". It should be 
followed or repealed.

See https://www.afrinic.net/services/1861-2016078, 
<https://www.afrinic.net/services/1861-2016078> item 4.0. *Resolution 
201607.292*

Sunday.

On 05/11/2019 8:20 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
> Thanks, Dewole.
>
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when 
> communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best 
> judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to 
> go by the Board for review.
>
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of 
> operational matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue 
> will set in and little progress will be made.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. 
>> Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of 
>> non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's 
>> unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any 
>> response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be 
>> able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of 
>> AFRINIC the company).
>>
>> Dewole.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu 
>> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
>>     investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>>
>>     I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too
>>     involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be
>>     managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and
>>     behind the scenes.
>>
>>     I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have
>>     changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>>
>>     Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his
>>     staff, than the Board.
>>
>>     Mark.
>>
>>     On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>>     Dear Community at large,
>>>
>>>     As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some
>>>     media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS
>>>     database primarily a limited section of legacy resources.
>>>
>>>     
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
>>>     membership and the Internet community at large that the Board
>>>     has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and
>>>     would like to let you know that investigations are progressing
>>>     well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the
>>>     end of the year.?We cannot reveal much or go into further
>>>     details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the
>>>     investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get
>>>     to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure
>>>     that the rights of any affected parties are respected and
>>>     protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the
>>>     interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to
>>>     maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet
>>>     resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully
>>>     operational with high standards of integrity.
>>>
>>>     Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC
>>>     operations team is currently reviewing some of the
>>>     long-established processes relating to the management of
>>>     Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is?already
>>>     implementing some improvement measures at both the
>>>     IT?Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC
>>>     membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>>
>>>     Best regards,
>>>     Dr Christian D. Bope
>>>     Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Community-Discuss mailing list
>>     Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue Nov  5 07:52:55 2019
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:52:55 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <2F6873DC-BCC3-4E4F-8FAB-A12E2D8489CA@consulintel.es>
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 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
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I have to wholeheartedly agree.

I believe that the CEO should be allowed to, and empowered to speak to the community on any and all operational issues without interference from the board and without approval from the board.  Anything else shows a lack of trust in the CEO by the board ? in which case there is a problem to start with.

Either the board trusts the CEO to do the job, or it doesn?t ? what should not be happening is that the board is attempting to do the CEO?s job ? which seems to be the case in many instances.  I do not want to believe that the CEO was appointed as a figurehead or a puppet while the board takes over operational running of the company ? so please, let him do his job and be an effective CEO ? without interference beyond what is the standard role of a NON EXECUTIVE board

I strongly suggest the board also review https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/non-executive-director.asp

But if that is TL;DR then the key points are here ? and in particular the second point


  *   A non-executive director is a member of a company's board of directors who is not part of the executive team.
  *   A non-executive director typically does not engage in the day-to-day management of the organization but is involved in policymaking and planning exercises.
  *   A non-executive directors' responsibilities include the monitoring of the executive directors and acting in the interest of the company stakeholders.

Andrew


From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2019 10:24
To: Adewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com>; Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation

+1


Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 5/11/19 8:16, "Adewole Ajao" <dewole at tinitop.com<mailto:dewole at tinitop.com>> escribi?:

Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC the company).

Dewole.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.

I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.

I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.

Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.

Mark.
On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
Dear Community at large,

As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources.


On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity.

Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.

Best regards,
Dr Christian D. Bope
Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors

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From jrhountomey at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 13:45:16 2019
From: jrhountomey at gmail.com (Jean-Robert Hountomey)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:45:16 -0600
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <e9b27d59-55c1-adb7-c1a6-6e6bec59a0c3@seacom.mu>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
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Agree with you Mark.

Sections 15 and 17 of the Bylaws provide clarification of roles and expectations.
 
Unless the board disagrees with the bylaws and micromanages the CEO, the CEO oversees the day-to-day operations once the board approves annual plans, budgets and other macro strategies.

One expects the CEO acting as the main point of communication.
 
(1). https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws <https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws>

Regards.

Jean-Robert.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dewole.
> 
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by the Board for review.
> 
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and little progress will be made.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>> 
>> Dewole.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>> 
>> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>> 
>> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>> 
>> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>> Dear Community at large,
>>> 
>>> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity. 
>>> 
>>> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>> 
>>> Best regards, 
>>> Dr Christian D. Bope
>>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
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From oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng  Tue Nov  5 14:58:11 2019
From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
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+1 to the Mark on this.

AK

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, 08:48 Jean-Robert Hountomey, <jrhountomey at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Agree with you Mark.
>
> Sections 15 and 17 of the Bylaws provide clarification of roles and
> expectations.
>
> Unless the board disagrees with the bylaws and micromanages the CEO, the
> CEO oversees the day-to-day operations once the board approves annual
> plans, budgets and other macro strategies.
>
> One expects the CEO acting as the main point of communication.
>
>
> (1). https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
>
> Regards.
>
> Jean-Robert.
>
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Dewole.
>
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when
> communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best
> judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by
> the Board for review.
>
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational
> matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and
> little progress will be made.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>
> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting
> the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that
> members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to
> convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues
> whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent
> on behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
>> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
>> investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>>
>> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
>> AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
>> AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>>
>> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed
>> even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>>
>> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
>> than the Board.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>
>> Dear Community at large,
>>
>> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
>> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
>> limited section of legacy resources.
>>
>> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
>> membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted
>> some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know
>> that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most
>> likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into
>> further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the
>> investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the
>> bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights
>> of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All
>> said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded
>> as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of
>> Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully
>> operational with high standards of integrity.
>>
>> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
>> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
>> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
>> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
>> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
>> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dr Christian D. Bope
>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
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From amelnaud at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 12:05:01 2019
From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:05:01 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
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Hello,

Allow me to offer a different view.

Because we all want role separation which is normal and must be framed by
the company?s constitution, we must agree  that the issue on the table is a
matter for board. (Allegations  of malicious actions on to the public
resources  which the organization is responsible for on behalf of the
global internet community)

Let us focus more on the message than on the carrier which could have been
the CEO, legal, communication department.

Separation of roles also encompasses that each party accept and respect the
role and responsibilities of others.

May be when the organization solves its complex governance issues being
addressed and occupying all our attention, board can go  back to routine
work and ceo and staff will engage on the operations and we will enjoy
again working and interacting with them.

It is curious to see that some former board members who were keen in
violating the rules of separation of roles and always invoking company act,
board fiduciary responsibilities are now asking for the separation...

We?ve won something... let?s make it continue.

--
Arnaud

Le mar. 5 nov. 2019 ? 07:01, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> a ?crit :

> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
> investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>
> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
> AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
> AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>
> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed
> even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>
> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
> than the Board.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>
> Dear Community at large,
>
> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
> limited section of legacy resources.
>
> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership
> and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some
> preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that
> investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely
> before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further
> details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
> However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter.
> At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties
> are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure
> the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain
> stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides,
> the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of
> integrity.
>
> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>
> Best regards,
> Dr Christian D. Bope
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Wed Nov  6 12:29:27 2019
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:29:27 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAGDMR_c1v1YPOX6z5w5m30DR+Hyk4gJTne2i_EsupYywmBzR7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
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Arnaud,

Actually ? firstly ? you refer to former board members being ?keen in violating the rules of separation of roles? ? please ? can you justify that and supply exact examples.  Because ? that?s an unfounded statement with zero justification other than hyperbole.  So ? I invite you to firstly ? name the board members you believe did this ? and justify it ? put the evidence on the table ? and let us have a discussion around that.  Im actually very curious to see what you come up with ? but I strongly suspect there will be nothing forthcoming ? or an answer of ?I don?t have to show you anything or justify anything I say? ? but ? let?s see ? walk the talk ? put your evidence forward and lets debate that evidence ? with specifics ? not vague generalities.

Secondly ? the community are responsible for appointing the auditors ? and by LAW the auditors can only resign in the context of a special general meeting ? that is the law ? and the members who appoint those auditors ? have every right to know why the auditors have resigned ? because that is NOT a normal thing.

Andrew


From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:05
To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation

Hello,

Allow me to offer a different view.

Because we all want role separation which is normal and must be framed by the company?s constitution, we must agree  that the issue on the table is a matter for board. (Allegations  of malicious actions on to the public resources  which the organization is responsible for on behalf of the global internet community)

Let us focus more on the message than on the carrier which could have been the CEO, legal, communication department.

Separation of roles also encompasses that each party accept and respect the role and responsibilities of others.

May be when the organization solves its complex governance issues being addressed and occupying all our attention, board can go  back to routine work and ceo and staff will engage on the operations and we will enjoy again working and interacting with them.

It is curious to see that some former board members who were keen in violating the rules of separation of roles and always invoking company act, board fiduciary responsibilities are now asking for the separation...

We?ve won something... let?s make it continue.

--
Arnaud

Le mar. 5 nov. 2019 ? 07:01, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> a ?crit :
Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.

I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.

I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.

Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.

Mark.
On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
Dear Community at large,

As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources.


On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity.

Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.

Best regards,
Dr Christian D. Bope
Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors

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From alioune_b_traore at yahoo.fr  Wed Nov  6 14:24:58 2019
From: alioune_b_traore at yahoo.fr (Alioune Traore)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 14:24:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAOS=cAWKrG_Y2ggfXSB9eXv6CXqQEk9BccC+kM=7=xw7XD3_ZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
 <CAOS=cAV13yfG59G=+ENiHF8vj_ND0KTFGJ8ijdW4PTLJo59vSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Bonjour,dans une p?riode de transition il est tout ? fait normal que le Board puisse donner?ces genres d'informations pour combler le vide du CEO.J'approuve donc le message du Board ? cet effet.

Dr Ing.?Alioune Badara TRAORE?

Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC

Pr?sident FEMAT

Directeur Technique du CNOSM

Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo 
+223 6678 58 31
 

    Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 ? 08:50:46 UTC+1, Adewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com> a ?crit :  
 
 I agree, Mark. It's the current board-routed management mode that will cause fatigue and a perception of non-responsiveness. I'm sure the Board hears our concerns and will hasten the process of helping the CEO settle down into his new role. Being volunteers as well, they would/should be happy to have their AFRINIC management workload reduced ASAP.?
Regards,Dewole.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

  Thanks, Dewole.
 
 Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by the Board for review.
 
 I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and little progress will be made.
 
 Mark.
 
 On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
  
 Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC the company). 
  Dewole.  
  On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
  
  Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
 
 I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
 
 I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
 
 Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.
 
 Mark.
 
 On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
  
   Dear Community at large,
 
 As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources. 
  
  
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year.?We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you  can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity. 
  
  Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is?already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT?Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
 
 Best regards,?
 Dr Christian D. Bope
 Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors   
 
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 https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
 
  
 
 
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Wed Nov  6 15:10:35 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:10:35 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <CAGDMR_c1v1YPOX6z5w5m30DR+Hyk4gJTne2i_EsupYywmBzR7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
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Message-ID: <7f0d0694-76d8-985c-0924-15f106b67c67@seacom.mu>

Thanks, Arnaud.

While I appreciate your differing view point, I disagree with it.

You are asserting that the Board are a placeholder to keep AFRINIC
running because the CEO and staff are unable to.

The Board's involvement has been too visible, even when Alan was the
CEO. Moreover, many items that could have been communicated and/or
co-ordinated by staff also came from the Board. So what is the point of
the staff?

I interacted with Board members, during Kampala earlier this year,
worried about how they can enhance network resiliency for AFRINIC's
services currently hosted in South Africa. I advised those Board members
to leave these decisions to the AFRINIC staff, who are more than capable
of dealing with this, even during the CEO transition.

Mark.

On 6/Nov/19 14:05, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Allow me to offer a different view.?
>
> Because we all want role separation which is normal and must be framed
> by the company?s constitution, we must agree? that the issue on the
> table is a matter for board. (Allegations? of malicious actions on to
> the public resources? which the organization is responsible for on
> behalf of the global internet community)
>
> Let us focus more on the message than on the carrier which could have
> been the CEO, legal, communication department.
>
> Separation of roles also encompasses that each party accept and
> respect the role and responsibilities of others.
>
> May be when the organization solves its complex governance issues
> being addressed and occupying all our attention, board can go? back to
> routine work and ceo and staff will engage on the operations and we
> will enjoy again working and interacting with them.
>
> It is curious to see that some former board members who were keen in
> violating the rules of separation of roles and always invoking company
> act, board fiduciary responsibilities are now asking for the separation...
>
> We?ve won something... let?s make it continue.
>
> --
> Arnaud
>
> Le?mar. 5 nov. 2019 ??07:01, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> a ?crit?:
>
>     Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
>     investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>
>     I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too
>     involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be
>     managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and
>     behind the scenes.
>
>     I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have
>     changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>
>     Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his
>     staff, than the Board.
>
>     Mark.
>
>     On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>     Dear Community at large,
>>
>>     As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some
>>     media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS
>>     database primarily a limited section of legacy resources.
>>
>>     
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
>>     membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has
>>     conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would
>>     like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and
>>     will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the
>>     year.?We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this
>>     stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
>>     However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of
>>     the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights
>>     of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the
>>     law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC
>>     members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable
>>     and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the
>>     AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high
>>     standards of integrity.
>>
>>     Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC
>>     operations team is currently reviewing some of the
>>     long-established processes relating to the management of Internet
>>     resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is?already implementing
>>     some improvement measures at both the IT?Infrastructure and
>>     process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be
>>     appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>
>>     Best regards,?
>>     Dr Christian D. Bope
>>     Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Community-Discuss mailing list
>     Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Wed Nov  6 15:13:03 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:13:03 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
In-Reply-To: <568779261.1507830.1573050298811@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAN7nxtPKLRub0PJ9yFWsSHMP=5BntX5cG5r1J-rn6r08ENz0Pg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b00615dd-a33b-2e0e-acd4-bfcdbee7d4e0@seacom.mu>
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 <e9b27d59-55c1-adb7-c1a6-6e6bec59a0c3@seacom.mu>
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 <568779261.1507830.1573050298811@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3021c831-00ab-f2c4-d6e4-1194aa4c1005@seacom.mu>

Are we saying that the membership and community are too impatient that a
message like this could not have waited a week or two until the new CEO
is burned in?

I didn't see anyone from the membership harassing the Board or AFRINIC
staff about needing urgent updates on legacy space ownership
manipulation :-\.

Mark.

On 6/Nov/19 16:24, Alioune Traore wrote:
> Bonjour,
> dans une p?riode de transition il est tout ? fait normal que le Board
> puisse donner?
> ces genres d'informations pour combler le vide du CEO.
> J'approuve donc le message du Board ? cet effet.
>
> Dr Ing.?Alioune Badara TRAORE?
>
> Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC
>
> Pr?sident FEMAT
>
> Directeur Technique du CNOSM
>
> Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
> Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo
> +223 6678 58 31
>
>
>
> Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 ? 08:50:46 UTC+1, Adewole Ajao
> <dewole at tinitop.com> a ?crit :
>
>
> I agree, Mark. It's the current board-routed management mode that will
> cause fatigue and a perception of non-responsiveness. I'm sure the
> Board hears our concerns and will hasten the process of helping the
> CEO settle down into his new role. Being volunteers as well, they
> would/should be happy to have their AFRINIC management workload
> reduced ASAP.?
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks, Dewole.
>
>     Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when
>     communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his
>     best judgment to determine when any information toward the public
>     needs to go by the Board for review.
>
>     I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of
>     operational matters via the Board (including communication),
>     fatigue will set in and little progress will be made.
>
>     Mark.
>
>     On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>>     Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as
>>     this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of
>>     non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's
>>     unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any
>>     response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO
>>     will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on
>>     behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>>
>>     Dewole.
>>
>>     On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>>     <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and
>>         the investigations associated with it) are not coming from
>>         our CEO.
>>
>>         I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too
>>         involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need
>>         to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front
>>         of and behind the scenes.
>>
>>         I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to
>>         have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>>
>>         Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of
>>         his staff, than the Board.
>>
>>         Mark.
>>
>>         On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>>         Dear Community at large,
>>>
>>>         As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted
>>>         some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its
>>>         WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources.
>>>
>>>         
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the
>>>         AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that
>>>         the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the
>>>         matter, and would like to let you know that investigations
>>>         are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely
>>>         before or by the end of the year.?We cannot reveal much or
>>>         go into further details at this stage as we do not want to
>>>         jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured
>>>         that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same
>>>         time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected
>>>         parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said
>>>         we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are
>>>         safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and
>>>         effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the
>>>         AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high
>>>         standards of integrity.
>>>
>>>         Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and
>>>         AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the
>>>         long-established processes relating to the management of
>>>         Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
>>>         is?already implementing some improvement measures at both
>>>         the IT?Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the
>>>         AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the
>>>         developments.
>>>
>>>         Best regards,?
>>>         Dr Christian D. Bope
>>>         Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>>
>>         _______________________________________________
>>         Community-Discuss mailing list
>>         Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>         <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>>         https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>
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From jrhountomey at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 16:55:03 2019
From: jrhountomey at gmail.com (Jean-Robert Hountomey)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
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Cher Grand Fr?re,

Heureux de te lire. Si tu le permets, il semble qu?il y?a eu une continuit? puisque nous avions un Directeur G?n?ral par Interim (1). Il semble difficile de parler de ?vide?.

De plus nous avons maintenant un nouveau capitaine (Directeur G?n?ral ). 

Enfin la veritable question est : que nous disent les textes ? Devrions nous les modifier? Mon message est centr? sur les textes qui r?gissent l?organisation.

Avec tout mon respect.

Cordiales Salutations.

Jean-Robert.


(1). https://web.archive.org/web/20190922154924/https://www.afrinic.net/staff



> On Nov 6, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Alioune Traore via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Bonjour,
> dans une p?riode de transition il est tout ? fait normal que le Board puisse donner 
> ces genres d'informations pour combler le vide du CEO.
> J'approuve donc le message du Board ? cet effet.
> 
> Dr Ing. Alioune Badara TRAORE 
> 
> Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC
> 
> Pr?sident FEMAT
> 
> Directeur Technique du CNOSM
> 
> Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
> Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo 
> +223 6678 58 31
> 
> 
> 
> Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 ? 08:50:46 UTC+1, Adewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com> a ?crit :
> 
> 
> I agree, Mark. It's the current board-routed management mode that will cause fatigue and a perception of non-responsiveness. I'm sure the Board hears our concerns and will hasten the process of helping the CEO settle down into his new role. Being volunteers as well, they would/should be happy to have their AFRINIC management workload reduced ASAP. 
> 
> Regards,
> Dewole.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
> Thanks, Dewole.
> 
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by the Board for review.
> 
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and little progress will be made.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>> 
>> Dewole.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>> 
>> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>> 
>> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>> 
>> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>> Dear Community at large,
>>> 
>>> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity. 
>>> 
>>> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>> 
>>> Best regards, 
>>> Dr Christian D. Bope
>>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>> 
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From jrhountomey at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 17:19:51 2019
From: jrhountomey at gmail.com (Jean-Robert Hountomey)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:19:51 -0600
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
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Dear Arnaud,

> It is curious to see that some former board members who were keen in violating the rules of separation of roles and always invoking company act, board fiduciary responsibilities are now asking for the separation?

With all due respect, that will be awesome if we can take lessons learned, focus on the issues and work all together for the brightest future of the AfriNIC.

Regards.

Jean-Robert



> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Allow me to offer a different view. 
> 
> Because we all want role separation which is normal and must be framed by the company?s constitution, we must agree  that the issue on the table is a matter for board. (Allegations  of malicious actions on to the public resources  which the organization is responsible for on behalf of the global internet community)
> 
> Let us focus more on the message than on the carrier which could have been the CEO, legal, communication department.
> 
> Separation of roles also encompasses that each party accept and respect the role and responsibilities of others.
> 
> May be when the organization solves its complex governance issues being addressed and occupying all our attention, board can go  back to routine work and ceo and staff will engage on the operations and we will enjoy again working and interacting with them.
> 
> It is curious to see that some former board members who were keen in violating the rules of separation of roles and always invoking company act, board fiduciary responsibilities are now asking for the separation...
> 
> We?ve won something... let?s make it continue. 
> 
> --
> Arnaud 
> 
> Le mar. 5 nov. 2019 ? 07:01, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> a ?crit :
> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
> 
> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
> 
> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
> 
> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>> Dear Community at large,
>> 
>> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources. 
>> 
>> 
>> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity. 
>> 
>> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>> 
>> Best regards, 
>> Dr Christian D. Bope
>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
> 
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From alioune_b_traore at yahoo.fr  Wed Nov  6 17:40:20 2019
From: alioune_b_traore at yahoo.fr (Alioune Traore)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:40:20 +0000 (UTC)
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Bonjour Jean-Robert,int?rim n'est pas un titulaire, aussi je ne pense pas que le textes ont pr?vu un cas pareilde vacance.Passe une bonne soir?e!

Dr Ing.?Alioune Badara TRAORE?

Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC

Pr?sident FEMAT

Directeur Technique du CNOSM

Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo 
+223 6678 58 31
 

    Le mercredi 6 novembre 2019 ? 17:55:09 UTC+1, Jean-Robert Hountomey <jrhountomey at gmail.com> a ?crit :  
 
 Cher Grand Fr?re,
Heureux de te lire. Si tu le permets, il semble qu?il y?a eu une continuit? puisque nous avions un Directeur G?n?ral par Interim (1). Il semble difficile de parler de ?vide?.
De plus nous avons maintenant un nouveau capitaine (Directeur?G?n?ral?).?
Enfin la veritable question est : que nous disent les textes ? Devrions nous les modifier? Mon message est centr? sur les textes qui r?gissent l?organisation.
Avec tout mon respect.
Cordiales Salutations.
Jean-Robert.

(1).?https://web.archive.org/web/20190922154924/https://www.afrinic.net/staff




On Nov 6, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Alioune Traore via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
Bonjour,dans une p?riode de transition il est tout ? fait normal que le Board puisse donner?ces genres d'informations pour combler le vide du CEO.J'approuve donc le message du Board ? cet effet.

Dr Ing.?Alioune Badara TRAORE?

Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC

Pr?sident FEMAT

Directeur Technique du CNOSM

Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo 
+223 6678 58 31
 

    Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 ? 08:50:46 UTC+1, Adewole Ajao <dewole at tinitop.com> a ?crit :  
 
 I agree, Mark. It's the current board-routed management mode that will cause fatigue and a perception of non-responsiveness. I'm sure the Board hears our concerns and will hasten the process of helping the CEO settle down into his new role. Being volunteers as well, they would/should be happy to have their AFRINIC management workload reduced ASAP.?
Regards,Dewole.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

  Thanks, Dewole.
 
 Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by the Board for review.
 
 I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and little progress will be made.
 
 Mark.
 
 On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
  
 Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent on behalf of AFRINIC the company). 
  Dewole.  
  On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
  
  Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
 
 I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
 
 I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
 
 Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff, than the Board.
 
 Mark.
 
 On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
  
   Dear Community at large,
 
 As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a limited section of legacy resources. 
  
  
On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely before or by the end of the year.?We cannot reveal much or go into further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations. However, you  can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of integrity. 
  
  Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team is?already implementing some improvement measures at both the IT?Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will be appropriately apprised of the developments.
 
 Best regards,?
 Dr Christian D. Bope
 Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors   
 
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From eddy at afrinic.net  Wed Nov  6 19:16:28 2019
From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 23:16:28 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
Message-ID: <d17a719c-e90e-3c11-fbab-c29569860dd0@afrinic.net>

Dear Colleagues,

I am writing to let you know that I have been following the ongoing 
conversations on our various mailings lists with?great?interest.? I 
thank you for the feedback and concerns which I believe can only 
strengthen AFRINIC operations?going?forward.

I would particularly like to respond to emails concerning the roles of 
the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and the AFRINIC Board of Directors 
(BoD) in communicating with Members and the Community. This is something 
we have been discussing with the BoD right after my appointment , and I 
would like to state that, from now henceforth, all matters concerning 
AFRINIC operations will be dealt by me. The BoD is in charge of 
governance, strategy and oversight role of the affairs of the company as 
described in section 15 of the Bylaws.

I hope this addresses some of the concerns raised.

I take this opportunity to once again thank you for your continued support.


Yours sincerely,


EddyKayihura

CEO, AFRINIC

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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Wed Nov  6 23:08:31 2019
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 02:08:31 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
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Eddy

Welcome on board.

Just a small clarification/reiteration. 

From an operational perspective spot on! As it should be. 

However, what happens when an issue needs to be addressed by the Board? Will you then represent the board? 

From a corporate governance perspective this must and should be addressed by the board chair. You cannot represent the board on such matters. Kindly clarify this point. Let me also add that as a community based organization the board cannot be hands off. As long as they don?t interfere with the day to day running of the organization. Their fiduciary responsibility requires that from time to time they address issues pertaining to their role. The board chair usually represents them on this. 

Regards   

Ali Hussein

+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

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Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:21 PM, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> I am writing to let you know that I have been following the ongoing conversations on our various mailings lists with great interest.  I thank you for the feedback and concerns which I believe can only strengthen AFRINIC operations going forward.
> 
> I would particularly like to respond to emails concerning the roles of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and the AFRINIC Board of Directors (BoD) in communicating with Members and the Community. This is something we have been discussing with the BoD right after my appointment , and I would like to state that, from now henceforth, all matters concerning AFRINIC operations will be dealt by me. The BoD is in charge of governance, strategy and oversight role of the affairs of the company as described in section 15 of the Bylaws. 
> 
> I hope this addresses some of the concerns raised.
> 
> I take this opportunity to once again thank you for your continued support.
> 
> 
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
> 
> 
> Eddy Kayihura
> 
> CEO, AFRINIC
> 
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From alioune_b_traore at yahoo.fr  Thu Nov  7 14:13:34 2019
From: alioune_b_traore at yahoo.fr (Alioune Traore)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:13:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
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References: <d17a719c-e90e-3c11-fbab-c29569860dd0@afrinic.net>
 <F6D9A63E-8859-42F9-BCAF-76D1A1A08097@hussein.me.ke>
Message-ID: <1530139415.449323.1573136014048@mail.yahoo.com>

Bonjour,je pense qu'il ne faut pas "dramatiser" une situation exceptionnelle; en effeta par cette annonce br?lante je n'ai JAMAIS vu le Board interf?rer dans l'op?rationneldu staff.Arr?tons de faire comme si s'?tait la fin du monde!

Dr Ing.?Alioune Badara TRAORE?

Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC

Pr?sident FEMAT

Directeur Technique du CNOSM

Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo 
+223 6678 58 31
 

    Le jeudi 7 novembre 2019 ? 00:10:09 UTC+1, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> a ?crit :  
 
 Eddy
Welcome on board.
Just a small clarification/reiteration.?
>From an operational perspective spot on! As it should be.?
However, what happens when an issue needs to be addressed by the Board? Will you then represent the board??
>From a corporate governance perspective this must and should be addressed by the board chair. You cannot represent the board on such matters. Kindly clarify this point. Let me also add that as a community based organization the board cannot be hands off. As long as they don?t interfere with the day to day running of the organization. Their fiduciary responsibility requires that from time to time they address issues pertaining to their role. The board chair usually represents them on this.?
Regards ??
Ali Hussein
+254 0713 601113?

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn:?http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ?~?Aristotle

Sent from my iPad

On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:21 PM, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net> wrote:



? 

Dear Colleagues,
 
I am writing to let you know that I have been following the ongoing conversations on our various mailings lists with?great?interest.? I thank you for the feedback and concerns which I believe can only strengthen AFRINIC operations?going?forward.
 
I would particularly like to respond to emails concerning the roles of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and the AFRINIC Board of Directors (BoD) in communicating with Members and the Community. This is something we have been discussing with the BoD right after my appointment , and I would like to state that, from now henceforth, all matters concerning AFRINIC operations will be dealt by me. The BoD is in charge of governance, strategy and oversight role of the affairs of the  company as described in section 15 of the Bylaws.?
 
I hope this addresses some of the concerns?raised.
 
I take this opportunity to once again thank you for your continued support.
 

 
 
Yours sincerely,
 

 
 
Eddy Kayihura
 
 
CEO, AFRINIC 
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Thu Nov  7 21:57:35 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 23:57:35 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
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On 7/Nov/19 01:08, Ali Hussein wrote:

>
> From a corporate governance perspective this must and should be
> addressed by the board chair. You cannot represent the board on such
> matters. Kindly clarify this point. Let me also add that as a
> community based organization the board cannot be hands off. As long as
> they don?t interfere with the day to day running of the organization.
> Their fiduciary responsibility requires that from time to time they
> address issues pertaining to their role. The board chair usually
> represents them on this.

Ali, I think you are asking 2 different questions here:

??? - Will the Board continue to be the Board?
??? - Will our CEO give the Board airtime to communicate on Board matters?

I won't speak on behalf of the CEO, I'll just speak to common sense and
my own experiences.

The Board will continue to perform their duties of supporting the CEO
re: strategy and governance. No one is suggesting the Board be disbanded.

However, I do believe that whatever message the Board wants the
membership to hear should vessel through the CEO. It confuses the
membership when some matters should be relayed by the Board, and others
by the CEO.

I have not read the bylaws on this, so I am not sure whether there is
any specific provision that dictates what the Board SHOULD communicate,
CAN communicate and MUST communicate. If the bylaws do not make such a
provision or leave a lot of wiggle room, I'd default to the CEO being
the person who communicates with the membership. It does not take the
Board's function away. In fact, it enhances accountability, stability
and uniformity. Lord knows the membership are craving these principles.

At work, the people in my team have probably never heard from the Board
of my organization. I don't expect them ever to, and yet that Board
determines their overall well-being as employees.

Mark.






From ali at hussein.me.ke  Fri Nov  8 03:54:12 2019
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 06:54:12 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
In-Reply-To: <f09b6469-10e2-c06b-2ad5-1f32f98dd73d@seacom.mu>
References: <d17a719c-e90e-3c11-fbab-c29569860dd0@afrinic.net>
 <F6D9A63E-8859-42F9-BCAF-76D1A1A08097@hussein.me.ke>
 <f09b6469-10e2-c06b-2ad5-1f32f98dd73d@seacom.mu>
Message-ID: <CAPjmBy2NSS21o6LdHyBnv0RLQtuUeLdC0u15MsvWRk3K=RUq6w@mail.gmail.com>

Mark

Your points are noted. Let me make one or two points clear.

1. There is a clear separation of duties between executive and board. I'm
not suggesting that the Board usurp the role of the CEO. Or vice versa. I'm
simply saying there are issues that the CEO CANNOT purport to speak for the
board. This is basic corporate governance 1o1. For example, if there's an
issue with the NomComm or HR & Governance committee pertaining to the
conduct of a senior executive or the CEO himself, there will be a clear
conflict for the CEO to address such matters.

2. If the community is unclear between the roles of the Board and the CEO
then I suggest that they read up on this and/or Afrinic endeavors to
capacity build the community on the same.

Ooh...About your team at your organization probably not ever hearing from
the board...Well...I can't say much about that coz company cultures are
different. However, let me tell you this:-

A board that is detached from the rest of the organization, seemingly like
they are some demi-gods, is one of the reasons that companies lose their
way..There's a fine balance between 'interference' and 'neglect'. We must
ensure that Afrinic doesn't suffer from this.

One last point. The chairperson of a board is supposed to represent the
board in such matters. Not the CEO. This MUST be made clear. Board matters
are Board matters. He/she is First Among Equals.

Regards

*Ali Hussein*


Tel: +254 713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>




Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:01 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

>
>
> On 7/Nov/19 01:08, Ali Hussein wrote:
>
> >
> > From a corporate governance perspective this must and should be
> > addressed by the board chair. You cannot represent the board on such
> > matters. Kindly clarify this point. Let me also add that as a
> > community based organization the board cannot be hands off. As long as
> > they don?t interfere with the day to day running of the organization.
> > Their fiduciary responsibility requires that from time to time they
> > address issues pertaining to their role. The board chair usually
> > represents them on this.
>
> Ali, I think you are asking 2 different questions here:
>
>     - Will the Board continue to be the Board?
>     - Will our CEO give the Board airtime to communicate on Board matters?
>
> I won't speak on behalf of the CEO, I'll just speak to common sense and
> my own experiences.
>
> The Board will continue to perform their duties of supporting the CEO
> re: strategy and governance. No one is suggesting the Board be disbanded.
>
> However, I do believe that whatever message the Board wants the
> membership to hear should vessel through the CEO. It confuses the
> membership when some matters should be relayed by the Board, and others
> by the CEO.
>
> I have not read the bylaws on this, so I am not sure whether there is
> any specific provision that dictates what the Board SHOULD communicate,
> CAN communicate and MUST communicate. If the bylaws do not make such a
> provision or leave a lot of wiggle room, I'd default to the CEO being
> the person who communicates with the membership. It does not take the
> Board's function away. In fact, it enhances accountability, stability
> and uniformity. Lord knows the membership are craving these principles.
>
> At work, the people in my team have probably never heard from the Board
> of my organization. I don't expect them ever to, and yet that Board
> determines their overall well-being as employees.
>
> Mark.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Fri Nov  8 07:29:02 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 09:29:02 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
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On 8/Nov/19 05:54, Ali Hussein wrote:

>
> Your points are noted. Let me make one or two points clear.
>
> 1. There is a clear separation of duties between executive and board.
> I'm not suggesting that the Board usurp the role of the CEO. Or vice
> versa. I'm simply saying there are issues that the CEO CANNOT purport
> to speak for the board. This is basic corporate governance 1o1. For
> example, if there's an issue with the NomComm or HR & Governance
> committee pertaining to the conduct of a senior executive or the CEO
> himself, there will be a clear conflict for the CEO to address such
> matters.?
>
> 2. If the community is unclear between the roles of the Board and the
> CEO then I suggest that they read up on this and/or Afrinic endeavors
> to capacity build the community on the same.

I think it would not be unreasonable for the CEO to give us a simple
summary of when we should expect to hear from the Board in lieu of him.

The membership could read the bylaws about this, but I imagine a simple
message from the CEO will provide more clarity than wading the wording.


>
> A board that is detached from the rest of the organization, seemingly
> like they are some demi-gods, is one of the reasons that companies
> lose their way..There's a fine balance between 'interference' and
> 'neglect'. We must ensure that Afrinic doesn't suffer from this.

You are interpreting my comments about my organization's Board as them
being detached from the organization. That is not what I said, and you
are welcome to re-read my e-mail.

I said my staff (the ones that report to me) would not typically be
involved with the Board. However, I, and upper management, are more
likely to be involved with the Board. I'm sure you get this.

The depth of structure of an RIR's governance is a lot simpler than that
of an organization such as ours, i.e., the membership are more likely to
run into and interact with the Board as a matter of course than, say,
all the staff at a highly structured organization would theirs.

So no, I'm not advocating that AFRINIC members do not speak to the
Board, and I am sure you know that.

>
> One last point. The chairperson of a board is supposed to represent
> the board in such matters. Not the CEO. This MUST be made clear. Board
> matters are Board matters. He/she is First Among Equals.?

Again, grateful if the CEO can dumb it down for us.

I could read it for myself, but in the interest of the avoidance of any
doubt, nothing beats the horse's mouth. I'm getting old and lazy, so
this sort of thing is helpful.

Mark.
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Fri Nov  8 07:38:23 2019
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 10:38:23 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
In-Reply-To: <908bcfb2-2814-9c26-6fdf-08f940966d97@seacom.mu>
References: <d17a719c-e90e-3c11-fbab-c29569860dd0@afrinic.net>
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Mark

Thanks for your clarifications. We are on the same page.

Regards

*Ali Hussein*


Tel: +254 713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>




Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:29 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

>
>
> On 8/Nov/19 05:54, Ali Hussein wrote:
>
>
> Your points are noted. Let me make one or two points clear.
>
> 1. There is a clear separation of duties between executive and board. I'm
> not suggesting that the Board usurp the role of the CEO. Or vice versa. I'm
> simply saying there are issues that the CEO CANNOT purport to speak for the
> board. This is basic corporate governance 1o1. For example, if there's an
> issue with the NomComm or HR & Governance committee pertaining to the
> conduct of a senior executive or the CEO himself, there will be a clear
> conflict for the CEO to address such matters.
>
> 2. If the community is unclear between the roles of the Board and the CEO
> then I suggest that they read up on this and/or Afrinic endeavors to
> capacity build the community on the same.
>
>
> I think it would not be unreasonable for the CEO to give us a simple
> summary of when we should expect to hear from the Board in lieu of him.
>
> The membership could read the bylaws about this, but I imagine a simple
> message from the CEO will provide more clarity than wading the wording.
>
>
>
> A board that is detached from the rest of the organization, seemingly like
> they are some demi-gods, is one of the reasons that companies lose their
> way..There's a fine balance between 'interference' and 'neglect'. We must
> ensure that Afrinic doesn't suffer from this.
>
>
> You are interpreting my comments about my organization's Board as them
> being detached from the organization. That is not what I said, and you are
> welcome to re-read my e-mail.
>
> I said my staff (the ones that report to me) would not typically be
> involved with the Board. However, I, and upper management, are more likely
> to be involved with the Board. I'm sure you get this.
>
> The depth of structure of an RIR's governance is a lot simpler than that
> of an organization such as ours, i.e., the membership are more likely to
> run into and interact with the Board as a matter of course than, say, all
> the staff at a highly structured organization would theirs.
>
> So no, I'm not advocating that AFRINIC members do not speak to the Board,
> and I am sure you know that.
>
>
> One last point. The chairperson of a board is supposed to represent the
> board in such matters. Not the CEO. This MUST be made clear. Board matters
> are Board matters. He/she is First Among Equals.
>
>
> Again, grateful if the CEO can dumb it down for us.
>
> I could read it for myself, but in the interest of the avoidance of any
> doubt, nothing beats the horse's mouth. I'm getting old and lazy, so this
> sort of thing is helpful.
>
> Mark.
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Fri Nov  8 10:17:26 2019
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 10:17:26 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
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References: <d17a719c-e90e-3c11-fbab-c29569860dd0@afrinic.net>
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Just one note.

The bylaws explicitly delegate HR, including renumeration of all staff to the CEO with the exception of his own position and other C level positions.  (Section 17 of the bylaws)

Andrew


From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
Sent: Friday, 8 November 2019 10:38
To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters

Mark

Thanks for your clarifications. We are on the same page.

Regards


Ali Hussein



Tel: +254 713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>





Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:29 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:

On 8/Nov/19 05:54, Ali Hussein wrote:

Your points are noted. Let me make one or two points clear.

1. There is a clear separation of duties between executive and board. I'm not suggesting that the Board usurp the role of the CEO. Or vice versa. I'm simply saying there are issues that the CEO CANNOT purport to speak for the board. This is basic corporate governance 1o1. For example, if there's an issue with the NomComm or HR & Governance committee pertaining to the conduct of a senior executive or the CEO himself, there will be a clear conflict for the CEO to address such matters.

2. If the community is unclear between the roles of the Board and the CEO then I suggest that they read up on this and/or Afrinic endeavors to capacity build the community on the same.

I think it would not be unreasonable for the CEO to give us a simple summary of when we should expect to hear from the Board in lieu of him.

The membership could read the bylaws about this, but I imagine a simple message from the CEO will provide more clarity than wading the wording.




A board that is detached from the rest of the organization, seemingly like they are some demi-gods, is one of the reasons that companies lose their way..There's a fine balance between 'interference' and 'neglect'. We must ensure that Afrinic doesn't suffer from this.

You are interpreting my comments about my organization's Board as them being detached from the organization. That is not what I said, and you are welcome to re-read my e-mail.

I said my staff (the ones that report to me) would not typically be involved with the Board. However, I, and upper management, are more likely to be involved with the Board. I'm sure you get this.

The depth of structure of an RIR's governance is a lot simpler than that of an organization such as ours, i.e., the membership are more likely to run into and interact with the Board as a matter of course than, say, all the staff at a highly structured organization would theirs.

So no, I'm not advocating that AFRINIC members do not speak to the Board, and I am sure you know that.



One last point. The chairperson of a board is supposed to represent the board in such matters. Not the CEO. This MUST be made clear. Board matters are Board matters. He/she is First Among Equals.

Again, grateful if the CEO can dumb it down for us.

I could read it for myself, but in the interest of the avoidance of any doubt, nothing beats the horse's mouth. I'm getting old and lazy, so this sort of thing is helpful.

Mark.

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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 16:55:25 2019
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:55:25 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Operational Matters
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Le jeu. 7 nov. 2019 ? 18:15, Alioune Traore via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> a ?crit :

>
> je pense qu'il ne faut pas "dramatiser" une situation exceptionnelle; en
> effet
> a par cette annonce br?lante je n'ai JAMAIS vu le Board interf?rer dans
> l'op?rationnel
> du staff.
> Arr?tons de faire comme si s'?tait la fin du monde!
>


It always start with something small. Community keep quiete
Then another small thing, Community keep quiete
Until one day, the BoD Chair will be give instruction to some staff
directly and ......

BoD play oversight! There is a new CEO. Let him do his job.
That who this community want to see. Christian and BoD .... chill


>
> Dr Ing. Alioune Badara TRAORE
>
> Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC
>
> Pr?sident FEMAT
>
> Directeur Technique du CNOSM
>
> Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
> Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo
> +223 6678 58 31
>
>
> Le jeudi 7 novembre 2019 ? 00:10:09 UTC+1, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> a ?crit :
>
>
> Eddy
>
> Welcome on board.
>
> Just a small clarification/reiteration.
>
> From an operational perspective spot on! As it should be.
>
> However, what happens when an issue needs to be addressed by the Board?
> Will you then represent the board?
>
> From a corporate governance perspective this must and should be addressed
> by the board chair. You cannot represent the board on such matters. Kindly
> clarify this point. Let me also add that as a community based organization
> the board cannot be hands off. As long as they don?t interfere with the day
> to day running of the organization. Their fiduciary responsibility requires
> that from time to time they address issues pertaining to their role. The
> board chair usually represents them on this.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> +254 0713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:21 PM, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I am writing to let you know that I have been following the ongoing
> conversations on our various mailings lists with great interest.  I thank
> you for the feedback and concerns which I believe can only strengthen
> AFRINIC operations going forward.
>
> I would particularly like to respond to emails concerning the roles of the
> Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and the AFRINIC Board of Directors (BoD) in
> communicating with Members and the Community. This is something we have
> been discussing with the BoD right after my appointment , and I would like
> to state that, from now henceforth, all matters concerning AFRINIC
> operations will be dealt by me. The BoD is in charge of governance,
> strategy and oversight role of the affairs of the company as described in
> section 15 of the Bylaws.
>
> I hope this addresses some of the concerns raised.
>
> I take this opportunity to once again thank you for your continued support.
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> Eddy Kayihura
>
> CEO, AFRINIC
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From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:56:11 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
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Le mar. 5 nov. 2019 ? 17:46, Jean-Robert Hountomey <jrhountomey at gmail.com>
a ?crit :

>
>
> Unless the board disagrees with the bylaws and micromanages the CEO, the
> CEO oversees the day-to-day operations once the board approves annual
> plans, budgets and other macro strategies.
>


Cher Dr Bope and BoD, read above phrase with emphases on *approve*. ok?
..not *create*
The day we hear that BoD are create budget or annual plan or macro strategy
for AfriNIC, it will be trouble.



>
> One expects the CEO acting as the main point of communication.
>
>
> (1). https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
>
> Regards.
>
> Jean-Robert.
>
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Dewole.
>
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when
> communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best
> judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by
> the Board for review.
>
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational
> matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and
> little progress will be made.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>
> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting
> the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that
> members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to
> convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues
> whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent
> on behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
>> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
>> investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>>
>> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
>> AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
>> AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>>
>> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed
>> even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>>
>> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
>> than the Board.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>>
>> Dear Community at large,
>>
>> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
>> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
>> limited section of legacy resources.
>>
>> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC
>> membership and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted
>> some preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know
>> that investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most
>> likely before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into
>> further details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the
>> investigations. However, you can rest assured that we will get to the
>> bottom of the matter. At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights
>> of any affected parties are respected and protected as per the law. All
>> said we are keen to ensure the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded
>> as we seek to maintain stable, reliable and effective management of
>> Internet resources. Besides, the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully
>> operational with high standards of integrity.
>>
>> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
>> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
>> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
>> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
>> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
>> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dr Christian D. Bope
>> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 18:58:16 2019
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:58:16 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC legacy space ownership manipulation
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Le mer. 6 nov. 2019 ? 18:26, Alioune Traore via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> a ?crit :

> Bonjour,
> dans une p?riode de transition il est tout ? fait normal que le Board
> puisse donner
> ces genres d'informations pour combler le vide du CEO.
>


Which article of the Bylaw give BoD this power during transition? As former
BoD member you should be able to precise the articles in question.



> J'approuve donc le message du Board ? cet effet.
>
> Dr Ing. Alioune Badara TRAORE
>
> Membre du conseil de l'AMRTP en charge des TIC
>
> Pr?sident FEMAT
>
> Directeur Technique du CNOSM
>
> Ceinture Noire 7?me DAN
> Arbitre Olympique de Taekwondo
> +223 6678 58 31
>
>
> Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 ? 08:50:46 UTC+1, Adewole Ajao <
> dewole at tinitop.com> a ?crit :
>
>
> I agree, Mark. It's the current board-routed management mode that will
> cause fatigue and a perception of non-responsiveness. I'm sure the Board
> hears our concerns and will hasten the process of helping the CEO settle
> down into his new role. Being volunteers as well, they would/should be
> happy to have their AFRINIC management workload reduced ASAP.
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:20 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Dewole.
>
> Perhaps the CEO needs to be given more leeway and authority when
> communicating with the community. I am sure the CEO can use his best
> judgment to determine when any information toward the public needs to go by
> the Board for review.
>
> I fear that if the CEO needs to run an inordinate amount of operational
> matters via the Board (including communication), fatigue will set in and
> little progress will be made.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 5/Nov/19 09:13, Adewole Ajao wrote:
>
> Makes sense. Especially on operational and PR issues such as this. Letting
> the CEO communicate will also reduce the sense of non-responsiveness that
> members sometimes feel (although it's unavoidable because the board has to
> convene and agree before any response can be given - even on simple issues
> whereas the CEO will be able to respond authoritatively to a large extent
> on behalf of AFRINIC the company).
>
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:00 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> Don't know if it's just me, but curious why this update (and the
> investigations associated with it) are not coming from our CEO.
>
> I've consistently said that I feel the AFRINIC Board are too involved in
> AFRINIC's day-to-day affairs, which, IMHO, need to be managed by the
> AFRINIC CEO and his team, both in front of and behind the scenes.
>
> I am somewhat disturbed that this culture does not appear to have changed
> even on the back of the appointment of the new CEO.
>
> Personally, I'd rather be hearing from the CEO and/or any of his staff,
> than the Board.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 4/Nov/19 22:45, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:
>
> Dear Community at large,
>
> As the community may also, be aware, AFRINIC has attracted some media
> coverage relating to suspicious activity in its WHOIS database primarily a
> limited section of legacy resources.
>
> On behalf of the Board, I would like to assure both the AFRINIC membership
> and the Internet community at large that the Board has conducted some
> preliminary assessment of the matter, and would like to let you know that
> investigations are progressing well and will be concluded soon, most likely
> before or by the end of the year. We cannot reveal much or go into further
> details at this stage as we do not want to jeopardise the investigations.
> However, you can rest assured that we will get to the bottom of the matter.
> At the same time, we want to ensure that the rights of any affected parties
> are respected and protected as per the law. All said we are keen to ensure
> the interests of AFRINIC members are safeguarded as we seek to maintain
> stable, reliable and effective management of Internet resources. Besides,
> the AFRINIC WHOIS database remains fully operational with high standards of
> integrity.
>
> Nevertheless, there is always room for improvement and AFRINIC operations
> team is currently reviewing some of the long-established processes relating
> to the management of Internet resources under AFRINIC's ambit. The team
> is already implementing some improvement measures at both the
> IT Infrastructure and process level. As usual, the AFRINIC membership will
> be appropriately apprised of the developments.
>
> Best regards,
> Dr Christian D. Bope
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
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From funga.roho at yandex.com  Tue Nov 12 09:47:28 2019
From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:47:28 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Traduction_de_l=27ensemble_du_conte?=
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From: brahkred at gmail.com (IBRAHIM CISSE)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:30:32 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 535, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1573560002.22974.community-discuss@afrinic.net>
References: <mailman.1.1573560002.22974.community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <1A298D90-38CE-4A8A-9B91-D935B1D6DB80@gmail.com>

Bonne nouvelle, y a t il in besoin de en contributions?

Sent from my iPhone

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From eddy at afrinic.net  Thu Nov 14 05:11:12 2019
From: eddy at afrinic.net (Eddy Kayihura)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:11:12 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss]
 =?utf-8?q?Traduction_de_l=27ensemble_du_conte?=
 =?utf-8?q?nu_du_site_d=27afrinic_en_fran=C3=A7ais=2C_arabe?=
In-Reply-To: <19128501573552048@iva3-d9cc776f5dad.qloud-c.yandex.net>
References: <19128501573552048@iva3-d9cc776f5dad.qloud-c.yandex.net>
Message-ID: <355d0840-0079-60c3-bb9c-4704d3676f0d@afrinic.net>

Cher Christophe,

Le message est bien recu et sera tenu en consideration.

Bien a vous.

----

Eddy Kayihura

Chief Executive Officer

African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)

t:  +230 403 5100 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net <http://www.afrinic.net>

On 12/11/2019 13:47, Kangamutima zabika Christophe wrote:
> Par la pr?sente, je rappelle ? l'actuel DG d'AFRINIC qu'? ce jour, la 
> traduction compl?te du contenu du site d'afrinic en fran?ais n'a 
> toujours pas abouti. Ce processus semble m?me interrompu ou mis en 
> veille. Les internautes francophones se lassent de toujours ?tre pris 
> comme le menu fretin des d?cideurs de cette organisation. Nous restons 
> tout de m?me convaincu qu'? pr?sent qu'? Afrinic est dirig? par un 
> ressortissant du m?me pays que la Secr?taire G?n?ral de l'organisation 
> internationale de la francophonie, celui-ci prendra les taureaux par 
> les cornes afin de r?parer cette ahurissante injustice. Le m?me 
> r?quisitoire est valable pour les internautes lusophones et arabophones
> KANGAMUTIMA
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From amessinoukossi at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 08:57:23 2019
From: amessinoukossi at gmail.com (Kossi Amessinou)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:57:23 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss]
	=?utf-8?q?Traduction_de_l=27ensemble_du_conte?=
	=?utf-8?q?nu_du_site_d=27afrinic_en_fran=C3=A7ais=2C_arabe?=
In-Reply-To: <355d0840-0079-60c3-bb9c-4704d3676f0d@afrinic.net>
References: <19128501573552048@iva3-d9cc776f5dad.qloud-c.yandex.net>
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Message-ID: <CAHOT-HX9ioBD1CYCrMsu7fY-pJqgS0d4XrzeRPGxEschidYf3g@mail.gmail.com>

Bonjour ? tous,
Je souligne juste le plaisir de lire notre CEO en fran?ais! Vivement que
cela offre une nouvelle chance aux organisations francophones d'Afrinic.
Cordialement.

Le jeu. 14 nov. 2019 ? 06:12, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net> a ?crit :

> Cher Christophe,
>
> Le message est bien recu et sera tenu en consideration.
>
> Bien a vous.
>
> ----
>
> Eddy Kayihura
>
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>
> t:  +230 403 5100 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net <http://www.afrinic.net> <http://www.afrinic.net>
>
> On 12/11/2019 13:47, Kangamutima zabika Christophe wrote:
>
>
> Par la pr?sente, je rappelle ? l'actuel DG d'AFRINIC qu'? ce jour, la
> traduction compl?te du contenu du site d'afrinic en fran?ais n'a toujours
> pas abouti. Ce processus semble m?me interrompu ou mis en veille. Les
> internautes francophones se lassent de toujours ?tre pris comme le menu
> fretin des d?cideurs de cette organisation. Nous restons tout de m?me convaincu
> qu'? pr?sent qu'? Afrinic est dirig? par un ressortissant du m?me pays que
> la Secr?taire G?n?ral de l'organisation internationale de la francophonie,
> celui-ci prendra les taureaux par les cornes afin de r?parer cette
> ahurissante injustice. Le m?me r?quisitoire est valable pour les
> internautes lusophones et arabophones
>
> KANGAMUTIMA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing listCommunity-Discuss at afrinic.nethttps://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Fri Nov 15 09:24:17 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:24:17 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
Message-ID: <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>

Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in
my mouth.

Mark.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date: 	Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From: 	Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
To: 	mark.tinka at seacom.mu



Greetings,


Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and
APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a
pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration
regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based
business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any
questions.


See you at the event.


--

Kind regards,

Elena Dontu

?

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From saul at enetworks.co.za  Fri Nov 15 12:38:44 2019
From: saul at enetworks.co.za (Saul Stein)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:38:44 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
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Message-ID: <0ed301d59bb1$e42bf3a0$ac83dae0$@enetworks.co.za>

Yip, me too and at some interesting old staff members addresses. Which make 
me curious as to what database they have mined. I don?t think it?s AFRINIC 
db. One email that was used was never registered with AFRINIC as far as I 
can remember?





From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu]
Sent: 15 November 2019 11:24 AM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; 
members-discuss at afrinic.net
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting



Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my 
mouth.

Mark.


-------- Forwarded Message -------- 


Subject:

AFRINIC-31 Meeting


Date:

Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000


From:

Lena AFRINIC  <mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com> <lena at breeden-comm.com>


To:

mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>



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  <http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png> 
Greetings,



Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. 
We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to 
meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 
resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business 
partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any 
questions.



See you at the event.



--

Kind regards,

Elena Dontu



lena.ipv4 (Skype)

LenaIPv4 (WeChat)

+37360820413 (WhatsApp)

web: ipv4services.com



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From sami.salih at outlook.com  Fri Nov 15 14:08:31 2019
From: sami.salih at outlook.com (Sami Salih)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:08:31 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <0ed301d59bb1$e42bf3a0$ac83dae0$@enetworks.co.za>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>,
 <0ed301d59bb1$e42bf3a0$ac83dae0$@enetworks.co.za>
Message-ID: <LNXP265MB068110504AA711DF0A78DCFE9B700@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

And the interesting thing is the phone number from Moldova

Moldova, an Eastern European country and former Soviet republic.


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From: Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:38:44 PM
To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting


Yip, me too and at some interesting old staff members addresses. Which make me curious as to what database they have mined. I don?t think it?s AFRINIC db. One email that was used was never registered with AFRINIC as far as I can remember?





From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu]
Sent: 15 November 2019 11:24 AM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting



Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

AFRINIC-31 Meeting

Date:

Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000

From:

Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com><mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>

To:

mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>




[http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png]Greetings,



Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.



See you at the event.



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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Fri Nov 15 17:49:22 2019
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:49:22 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>,
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
Message-ID: <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>

I agree with you on the bad taste.

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date:   Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From:   Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com><mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
To:     mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>




[http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png]

Greetings,


Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.


See you at the event.


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From owen at delong.com  Fri Nov 15 21:02:05 2019
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:02:05 -0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
Message-ID: <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers.

Owen


> On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you on the bad taste. 
> 
> Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if anyone else has received these... 
>> 
>> I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:	AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>> Date:	Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
>> From:	Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com> <mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
>> To:	mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Hope this email finds you well!
>> I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.
>> We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
>> NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.
>> 
>> See you at the event.
>> 
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> Elena Dontu
>>  
>> lena.ipv4 (Skype)
>> LenaIPv4 (WeChat)
>> +37360820413 (WhatsApp)
>> web: ipv4services.com <http://ipv4services.com/> 
>> 
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From sami.salih at outlook.com  Sat Nov 16 15:20:46 2019
From: sami.salih at outlook.com (Sami Salih)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:20:46 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>,
 <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
Message-ID: <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?


Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
________________________________
From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers.

Owen


On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

I agree with you on the bad taste.

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date:   Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From:   Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com><mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
To:     mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>




[http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png]

Greetings,


Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.


See you at the event.


--

Kind regards,

Elena Dontu



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LenaIPv4 (WeChat)

+37360820413 (WhatsApp)

web: ipv4services.com<http://ipv4services.com/>


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From oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng  Sat Nov 16 17:05:31 2019
From: oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng (ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 17:05:31 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
 <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
 <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAES4e9myodpdfrJfaUNeBAQc7OveK=mZYPn6qRH_=W_JTdiWtg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I think am missing something here. What have they done wrong? Looking for
new business opportunities?
Oh they spamed with emails.
Why not an unhappy recipient just respond to them that I am not happy
receiving emails from you please remove me from your mailing list.
Then
Case closed
   All this back and forward emails on this topic is a spam to me too.
Cheers




On Sat, 16 Nov 2019, 15:25 Sami Salih, <sami.salih at outlook.com> wrote:

>
> if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not
> welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at
> least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?
>
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
> *To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
> members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
> The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with
> them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out
> that you don?t do business with spammers.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with you on the bad taste.
>
> Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain
> oneself
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> Not sure if anyone else has received these...
>
> I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in
> my mouth.
>
> Mark.
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
> From: Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com> <lena at breeden-comm.com>
> To: mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> Hope this email finds you well!
>
> I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and
> APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a
> pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration
> regarding IPv4 resources.
>
> We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based
> business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
>
> NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any
> questions.
>
>
> See you at the event.
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Elena Dontu
>
>
> lena.ipv4 (Skype)
>
> LenaIPv4 (WeChat)
>
> +37360820413 (WhatsApp)
>
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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Sun Nov 17 02:38:14 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:38:14 +0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
 <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
 <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1B67A95D-3DFD-4404-B537-82BC0D59333F@consulintel.es>

?I don?t think this will be acceptable.

 

We like it or not we should not ban anyone to come to the meetings, unless they violate code of conduct or anything similar that we have for the meetings. Of course, unless in our code of conduct we state explicitly that anyone using the whois or collecting emails from the lists will be ban to participate in the meetings.

 

Of course, what it can be done, but this is up to individual decision of each AFRINIC meeting participant is to tell them ?sorry, you?re a spammer and violate people privacy collecting their emails, I?m not doing to talk to you, go away from me?. Be sure that I will do that, if they approach me!

 

That said, I?m completely against SPAM, and collecting emails. There is no *any* valid reason you can use emails even if they are in whois, or whatever, for marketing. That?s spam.

 

In the case of EU citizens or residents, if I get any of those marketing emails, you can make sure that will open a case in the Data Protection Agency, and it typically means a fine of up to 20.000.000 Euros. This apply also to some countries that signed the GDPR, such as Mauritius. In the last few years (even before GDPR, as we had a similar framework, with fines of up to 600.000 Euros), I?ve initiated about 2.000 claims, so I know very well how easy (and online with a digital certificate) is to do that. As a consequence they will get their compliance with the GDPR checked and a fine according to the level of lack of compliance and the actions against GDPR that they have done (such as collecting emails without an explicit authorization of the owner, or sending spam without an explicit consent).

 

I don?t know if other countries from AFRINIC service region also signed it, but even if not, there may be specific regulations protecting your privacy or against spam, in each country.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 16/11/19 23:26, "Sami Salih" <sami.salih at outlook.com> escribi?:

 

 

if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?  

 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting 

 

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers. 

 

Owen

 



On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

 

I agree with you on the bad taste.  

 

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these... 

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.


-------- Forwarded Message -------- 

Subject: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From: Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
To: mark.tinka at seacom.mu




Greetings,

 

Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.

 

See you at the event.

 

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Elena Dontu

 

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LenaIPv4 (WeChat)

+37360820413 (WhatsApp)

web: ipv4services.com 

 

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From owen at delong.com  Sun Nov 17 03:55:36 2019
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:55:36 -0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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> On Nov 16, 2019, at 18:38 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I don?t think this will be acceptable.
>  
> We like it or not we should not ban anyone to come to the meetings, unless they violate code of conduct or anything similar that we have for the meetings. Of course, unless in our code of conduct we state explicitly that anyone using the whois or collecting emails from the lists will be ban to participate in the meetings.

I agree that banning them from attending the meeting would be unacceptable.

However, if the community finds their business practices sufficiently inappropriate, then I have no problem with the idea that the community can  encourage the board to prohibit them from exhibiting at the meeting.

The standards for participation (open to all) and exhibiting (businesses attempting to solicit relationships) have very different goals and requirements.

Owen


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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Sun Nov 17 08:32:27 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:32:27 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
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I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be
easily forged.

I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for
their business is also feasible.

The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with
sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the
glorious promises of engaging with them.

Mark.

On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:
>
> if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not
> welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at
> least stop them from conveying the message to the community ???
>
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
> *To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
> members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
> ?
> The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with
> them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat
> out that you don?t do business with spammers.
>
> Owen
>
>
>> On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you on the bad taste.?
>>
>> Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain
>> oneself?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if anyone else has received these...
>>>
>>> I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad
>>> taste in my mouth.
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: 	AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>>> Date: 	Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
>>> From: 	Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
>>> <mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
>>> To: 	mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this email finds you well!
>>>
>>> I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN
>>> and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and
>>> would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential
>>> collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.
>>>
>>> We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based
>>> business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
>>>
>>> NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any
>>> questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> See you at the event.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Elena Dontu
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> lena.ipv4 (Skype)
>>>
>>> LenaIPv4 (WeChat)
>>>
>>> +37360820413 (WhatsApp)
>>>
>>> web: ipv4services.com <http://ipv4services.com/>?
>>>
>>>
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Sun Nov 17 08:41:46 2019
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:41:46 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <bc4ce4c7-3ebb-8203-367e-538e06456721@seacom.mu>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
 <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
 <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
 <bc4ce4c7-3ebb-8203-367e-538e06456721@seacom.mu>
Message-ID: <DBBPR03MB54155127D4740C967C834873EE720@DBBPR03MB5415.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Personally I have another take on this -

I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start there.

I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth having.

This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each other.  I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.

Just a thought

Andrew


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________________________________
From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be easily forged.

I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for their business is also feasible.

The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.

Mark.

On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:

if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?


Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
________________________________
From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com><mailto:owen at delong.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com><mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net> <members-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers.

Owen


On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

I agree with you on the bad taste.

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date:   Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From:   Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com><mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
To:     mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>




[http://service.breeden-comm.com/content/2efdcfad60a3dcd7c788098b904e40cf.png]

Greetings,


Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.


See you at the event.


--

Kind regards,

Elena Dontu



lena.ipv4 (Skype)

LenaIPv4 (WeChat)

+37360820413 (WhatsApp)

web: ipv4services.com<http://ipv4services.com/>


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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Sun Nov 17 10:44:10 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:44:10 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <DBBPR03MB54155127D4740C967C834873EE720@DBBPR03MB5415.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
 <90c431ec-40b9-4446-ee2b-53cfd2c01faa@seacom.mu>
 <F1C6FB06-9C78-44FC-9D1E-891FAD21CF57@nftconsult.com>
 <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
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Message-ID: <7f265323-0394-bfbf-c56d-4cec0a9b92fa@seacom.mu>

Thanks, Andrew.

Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR
members abide by these rules.

What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out
ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who
attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and
around the conference venue, which we definitely cannot control.

So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an
intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best
defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't
understand or don't really want to do.

Mark.

On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:
> Personally I have another take on this -
>
> I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will
> start there.
>
> I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out
> list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to
> promote services or give general information about what they are doing
> etc may be worth having.
>
> This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in so
> people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the
> option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services
> to each other. ?I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Andrew?
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
> *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
> ?
> I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be
> easily forged.
>
> I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community
> for their business is also feasible.
>
> The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with
> sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the
> glorious promises of engaging with them.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:
>>
>> if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not
>> welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or
>> at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ???
>>
>>
>> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
>> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
>> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
>> President of SDv6TF
>> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> <mailto:owen at delong.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
>> *To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net> <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>> ?
>> The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with
>> them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat
>> out that you don?t do business with spammers.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with you on the bad taste.?
>>>
>>> Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain
>>> oneself?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>>> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure if anyone else has received these...
>>>>
>>>> I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad
>>>> taste in my mouth.
>>>>
>>>> Mark.
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject: 	AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>>>> Date: 	Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
>>>> From: 	Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
>>>> <mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
>>>> To: 	mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope this email finds you well!
>>>>
>>>> I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN
>>>> and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and
>>>> would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential
>>>> collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.
>>>>
>>>> We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based
>>>> business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
>>>>
>>>> NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with
>>>> any questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See you at the event.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Elena Dontu
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> lena.ipv4 (Skype)
>>>>
>>>> LenaIPv4 (WeChat)
>>>>
>>>> +37360820413 (WhatsApp)
>>>>
>>>> web: ipv4services.com <http://ipv4services.com/>?
>>>>
>>>>
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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Sun Nov 17 11:09:16 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:09:16 +0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <DBBPR03MB54155127D4740C967C834873EE720@DBBPR03MB5415.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <60683.2006423919.mark.tinka=seacom.mu@breeden-comm.com>
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 <F8A8EAC9-2B31-474B-9D42-F33693F8C004@delong.com>
 <LNXP265MB0681E83997FD802774F8B8779B730@LNXP265MB0681.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <bc4ce4c7-3ebb-8203-367e-538e06456721@seacom.mu>
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Message-ID: <06AE3B2D-C8BA-404E-9B1A-BF46A0C807A6@consulintel.es>

I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with contact emails, so not sure how that will work.

 

At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites) and couldn?t find it.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 17/11/19 16:44, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> escribi?:

 

Personally I have another take on this -

 

I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start there.

 

I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth having.

 

This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each other.  I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.

 

Just a thought

 

Andrew 

 

 

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From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting 

 

I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be easily forged.

I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for their business is also feasible.

The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.

Mark.

On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:

 

if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?  

 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting 

 

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers. 

 

Owen

 



On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

 

I agree with you on the bad taste.  

 

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these... 

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.


-------- Forwarded Message -------- 

Subject: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From: Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
To: mark.tinka at seacom.mu




Greetings,

 

Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.

 

See you at the event.

 

--

Kind regards,

Elena Dontu

 

lena.ipv4 (Skype)

LenaIPv4 (WeChat)

+37360820413 (WhatsApp)

web: ipv4services.com 

 

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From nishal at controlfreak.co.za  Sun Nov 17 12:46:15 2019
From: nishal at controlfreak.co.za (Nishal  Goburdhan)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:46:15 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
wrote:

> I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with 
> contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
> At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites) 
> and couldn?t find it.

many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that 
meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or 
jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you 
weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite) 
you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type 
messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting 
attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.

that process was unfortunately discontinued.

-n.



From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Sun Nov 17 13:03:08 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:03:08 +0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <BDF7E64A-809A-46B6-8884-C9AE4298047C@controlfreak.co.za>
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In IETF we have a wiki for that kind of good communication and also a mailing list specific for each meeting (I think that mailing list also exists for AFRINIC meetings but only to send official announcements).

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

?El 17/11/19 20:56, "Nishal  Goburdhan" <nishal at controlfreak.co.za> escribi?:

    On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
    wrote:
    
    > I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with 
    > contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
    > At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites) 
    > and couldn?t find it.
    
    many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that 
    meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or 
    jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you 
    weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite) 
    you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type 
    messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting 
    attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.
    
    that process was unfortunately discontinued.
    
    -n.
    
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Sun Nov 17 13:35:38 2019
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:35:38 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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I would have a major problem with control over who attends the meetings.

To be frank ? meetings are about the community, and if we start deciding who can and who can?t attend the meetings ? beyond the scope of a code of conduct ? it?s a dangerous and slippery slope from there.   I mean ? I believe we are feel to name, shame and shun those who behave in bad behavior at meetings if we as individuals do not like their behavior ? but I do not believe we should prevent attendance.

In the same way ? I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the lists.  I would advocate from banning them from the lists, and  I would fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting so they get the idea this is a *BAD* idea in future, but ? let them come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions

Andrew


From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Date: Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

Thanks, Andrew.

Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR members abide by these rules.

What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and around the conference venue, which we definitely cannot control.

So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't understand or don't really want to do.

Mark.
On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:
Personally I have another take on this -

I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start there.

I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth having.

This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each other.  I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.

Just a thought

Andrew


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From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu><mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net> <community-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be easily forged.

I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for their business is also feasible.

The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.

Mark.
On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:

if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?


Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
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From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com><mailto:owen at delong.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com><mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net> <members-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers.

Owen



On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

I agree with you on the bad taste.

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
Not sure if anyone else has received these...

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date:
Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From:
Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com><mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
To:
mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>



Greetings,

Hope this email finds you well!
I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.
We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.

See you at the event.

--
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Elena Dontu

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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Sun Nov 17 14:03:46 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:03:46 +0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Well ? the so-called ?Benjamin? broke *several times* the code of conduct:

 

https://afrinic.net/code

 

So should be ban from the meeting (and the lists) and not only Benjamin, but also the real person behind him.

 

I?ve asked the staff/board to verify the information about who is behind Benjamin. This is possible and easy, you just need a policy claim to investigate the case asking Google to confirm if Benjamin is ?x? and IP addresses (which in turn can be verified with the ISP). We had sufficient information to conduct such claim.

 

My understanding is that they objected to do so. This, in my opinion, is setting a very bad precedent: ?You can ignore the code of conduct, because we aren?t going to ask for an investigation?.

 

The board is still in time to proceed with such claim. As much time passes, less chances to get the correlation of the IP addresses.

 

Otherwise, they will have NO RIGHT in the future, to enforce the code of conduct with other, because then the board can clearly be accused of discrimination: either you follow the code of conduct with all the same way, or you don?t use it at all and just trash it.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 17/11/19 21:42, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> escribi?:

 

I would have a major problem with control over who attends the meetings.

 

To be frank ? meetings are about the community, and if we start deciding who can and who can?t attend the meetings ? beyond the scope of a code of conduct ? it?s a dangerous and slippery slope from there.   I mean ? I believe we are feel to name, shame and shun those who behave in bad behavior at meetings if we as individuals do not like their behavior ? but I do not believe we should prevent attendance.  

 

In the same way ? I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the lists.  I would advocate from banning them from the lists, and  I would fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting so they get the idea this is a *BAD* idea in future, but ? let them come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions

 

Andrew

 

 

From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Date: Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

 

Thanks, Andrew.

Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR members abide by these rules.

What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and around the conference venue, which we definitely cannot control.

So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't understand or don't really want to do.

Mark.

On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:

Personally I have another take on this -

 

I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start there.

 

I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth having.

 

This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each other.  I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.

 

Just a thought

 

Andrew 

 

 

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From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting 

 

I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be easily forged.

I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for their business is also feasible.

The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.

Mark.

On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:

 

if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?  

 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting 

 

The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with spammers. 

 

Owen

 




On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

 

I agree with you on the bad taste.  

 

Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has received these... 

I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mark.


-------- Forwarded Message -------- 

Subject: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
From: Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
To: mark.tinka at seacom.mu




Greetings,

 

Hope this email finds you well!

I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources.

We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions.

 

See you at the event.

 

--

Kind regards,

Elena Dontu

 

lena.ipv4 (Skype)

LenaIPv4 (WeChat)

+37360820413 (WhatsApp)

web: ipv4services.com 

 

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From chii.ngek at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 15:05:22 2019
From: chii.ngek at gmail.com (Augustine CHII Ngek)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:05:22 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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+1 Nishal
We can simply go back to that tradition and see how it helps us in this
present circumstances.
Augustine CHII NGEK

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 13:50 Nishal Goburdhan, <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
wrote:

> On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
> wrote:
>
> > I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with
> > contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
> > At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites)
> > and couldn?t find it.
>
> many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that
> meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or
> jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you
> weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite)
> you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type
> messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting
> attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.
>
> that process was unfortunately discontinued.
>
> -n.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Sun Nov 17 16:55:20 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:55:20 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Totally agreed, which is why I feel that empowering the membership with
enough knowledge to handle themselves well when approached by these
brokers is the best solution all around.

Ultimately, the final decision rests in the hands of those approaching,
and those being approached. So let's equip those being approached, and
make them less susceptible to undue influence.

Mark.

On 17/Nov/19 15:35, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> I would have a major problem with control over who attends the meetings.
>
> ?
>
> To be frank ? meetings are about the community, and if we start
> deciding who can and who can?t attend the meetings ? beyond the scope
> of a code of conduct ? it?s a dangerous and slippery slope from
> there.?? I mean ? I believe we are feel to name, shame and shun those
> who behave in bad behavior at meetings if we as individuals do not
> like their behavior ? but I do not believe we should prevent attendance.?
>
> ?
>
> In the same way ? I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus
> from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the
> lists.? I would advocate from banning them from the lists, and? I
> would fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of
> the meeting so they get the idea this is a **BAD** idea in future, but
> ? let them come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions
>
> ?
>
> Andrew
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> *From: *Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> *Date: *Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44
> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>,
> "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
> ?
>
> Thanks, Andrew.
>
> Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR
> members abide by these rules.
>
> What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out
> ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who
> attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and
> around the conference venue, which we definitely cannot control.
>
> So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an
> intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best
> defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't
> understand or don't really want to do.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
>     Personally I have another take on this -
>
>     ?
>
>     I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will
>     start there.
>
>     ?
>
>     I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt
>     out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish
>     to promote services or give general information about what they
>     are doing etc may be worth having.
>
>     ?
>
>     This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in
>     so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have
>     the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their
>     services to each other. ?I would have no issue with the existence
>     of such a list.
>
>     ?
>
>     Just a thought
>
>     ?
>
>     Andrew?
>
>     ?
>
>     ?
>
>     Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:*Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
>     *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net
>     <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>     <community-discuss at afrinic.net> <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
>     ?
>
>     I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can
>     be easily forged.
>
>     I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the
>     community for their business is also feasible.
>
>     The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with
>     sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by
>     the glorious promises of engaging with them.
>
>     Mark.
>
>     On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:
>
>         ?
>
>         if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC
>         is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from
>         attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to
>         the community ???
>
>         ?
>
>         ?
>
>         *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
>         Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
>         Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
>         President of SDv6TF
>         T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:*Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> <mailto:owen at delong.com>
>         *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
>         *To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>         <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>         *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC
>         <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>         <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
>         members-discuss at afrinic.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net>
>         <members-discuss at afrinic.net> <mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
>         ?
>
>         The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing
>         business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially
>         if you tell them flat out that you don?t do business with
>         spammers.
>
>         ?
>
>         Owen
>
>         ?
>
>
>
>             On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege
>             <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>             <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>
>             ?
>
>             I agree with you on the bad taste.?
>
>             ?
>
>             Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and
>             constrain oneself?
>
>             ?
>
>             Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>             On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>             <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>
>                 Not sure if anyone else has received these...
>
>                 I am probably old school, but these kinds of things
>                 leave a bad taste in my mouth.
>
>                 Mark.
>
>
>                 -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
>                 *Subject: *
>
>                 	
>
>                 AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
>                 *Date: *
>
>                 	
>
>                 Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
>
>                 *From: *
>
>                 	
>
>                 Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com>
>                 <mailto:lena at breeden-comm.com>
>
>                 *To: *
>
>                 	
>
>                 mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>
>
>
>                 Image removed by sender.
>
>                 Greetings,
>
>                 ?
>
>                 Hope this email finds you well!
>
>                 I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in
>                 RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31
>                 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet
>                 people that are open to a potential collaboration
>                 regarding IPv4 resources.
>
>                 We are planning to establish new connections and find
>                 AFRINIC based business partners for
>                 selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
>
>                 NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to
>                 contact me with any questions.
>
>                 ?
>
>                 See you at the event.
>
>                 ?
>
>                 --
>
>                 Kind regards,
>
>                 Elena Dontu
>
>                 ?
>
>                 lena.ipv4 (Skype)
>
>                 LenaIPv4 (WeChat)
>
>                 +37360820413 (WhatsApp)
>
>                 web: ipv4services.com <http://ipv4services.com/>?
>
>                 ?
>
>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 /You received this email because you subscribed at
>                 Ripe Training Courses/
>
>                 ??????????
>                 <http://service.breeden-comm.com/unsubscriptions/a9ed607d7b13c9f6240c20252386c58cc4aaf5025039b586236c5ed8ddecdc67>
>
>                 _______________________________________________
>                 Community-Discuss mailing list
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>                 https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             Community-Discuss mailing list
>             Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>             <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
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>
>     ?
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Sun Nov 17 16:58:21 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:58:21 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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I'm not sure having a meeting-specific mailing list helps here, because
it assumes that attendees will always register.

Brokers (and in particular, brokers who spam) can't be guaranteed to
register, or more specifically, follow the rules. They could just show
up as regular hotel guests, not register for the conference, and reach
out to AFRINIC members like they did me and many others, to organize
sidebar meetings, cocktails, dinners, e.t.c. This, I believe, is far
more likely than anything else above-board.

So the best defence is to equip the membership to not get caught up in
this whirlwind, should they be called to the side by the brokers.

Mark.

On 17/Nov/19 17:05, Augustine CHII Ngek wrote:
> +1 Nishal
> We can simply go back to that tradition and see how it helps us in
> this present circumstances.
> Augustine CHII NGEK
>
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 13:50 Nishal Goburdhan,
> <nishal at controlfreak.co.za <mailto:nishal at controlfreak.co.za>> wrote:
>
>     On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
>     wrote:
>
>     > I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with
>     > contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
>     > At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites)
>     > and couldn?t find it.
>
>     many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that
>     meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or
>     jogging trails, .. etc.? without spamming regular mailing lists.?
>     if you
>     weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite)
>     you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type
>     messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting
>     attendees.? the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.
>
>     that process was unfortunately discontinued.
>
>     -n.
>
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From ndangabrice at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 17:27:39 2019
From: ndangabrice at gmail.com (Ndanga brice)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:27:39 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Could someone tell me if l could get the visa for Afrinic 31 once arrive at
the airport of Angola?  Otherwise what should l do?

Le dim. 17 nov. 2019 ? 17:58, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> a ?crit :

> I'm not sure having a meeting-specific mailing list helps here, because it
> assumes that attendees will always register.
>
> Brokers (and in particular, brokers who spam) can't be guaranteed to
> register, or more specifically, follow the rules. They could just show up
> as regular hotel guests, not register for the conference, and reach out to
> AFRINIC members like they did me and many others, to organize sidebar
> meetings, cocktails, dinners, e.t.c. This, I believe, is far more likely
> than anything else above-board.
>
> So the best defence is to equip the membership to not get caught up in
> this whirlwind, should they be called to the side by the brokers.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 17/Nov/19 17:05, Augustine CHII Ngek wrote:
>
> +1 Nishal
> We can simply go back to that tradition and see how it helps us in this
> present circumstances.
> Augustine CHII NGEK
>
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 13:50 Nishal Goburdhan, <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with
>> > contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
>> > At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites)
>> > and couldn?t find it.
>>
>> many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that
>> meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or
>> jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you
>> weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite)
>> you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type
>> messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting
>> attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.
>>
>> that process was unfortunately discontinued.
>>
>> -n.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>
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From abscoco at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 18:39:02 2019
From: abscoco at gmail.com (Sylvain Baya)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:39:02 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss]  Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Hi all,

Le lundi 18 novembre 2019, Ndanga brice <ndangabrice at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Could someone tell me if l could get the visa for Afrinic 31 once arrive
> at the airport of Angola?  Otherwise what should l do?
>

Dear Brice,
Feel free to check all the needed informations here [1], including the
specific one about visa
facilities, to better prepare your trip.

Permit me to also point you to the DPP (Draft Policy Proposals) [2]
actually open to discussions
on the RPD (Resource Policy Discussion) mailing list [3] of the PDWG [4]
(Policy Development
Working Group).

...this [5] one already has a detailed explanation in slides [6], so you
can quickly understand it.

I look forward to seeing your contribution during the PPM (Public Policy
Meeting) and RPD [3].
__
[1]: <https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-31/fr/attend/travel-kit>
[2]: <https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-005-d1>
[3]: <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd>
[4]: <https://afrinic.net/policy/>
[5]: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/010124.html>
[6]: <https://www.slide
share.net/mobile/SylvainBAYAABOKA/dpp-for-impact-analysis-report-at-afrinic-pdwg
>

Hope this could help.

Shalom,
--sb.


> [...]
>
>

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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Mon Nov 18 19:00:53 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:00:53 +0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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I don?t think so, you need to arrange it in advance, unless your country has some explicit waiver with Angola.

 

I suggest the on-line system.

 

I tried the local consulate in Madrid, and was almost impossible, but the online system worked very well and very fast.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 19/11/19 1:32, "Ndanga brice" <ndangabrice at gmail.com> escribi?:

 

Could someone tell me if l could get the visa for Afrinic 31 once arrive at the airport of Angola?  Otherwise what should l do?

 

Le dim. 17 nov. 2019 ? 17:58, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> a ?crit :

I'm not sure having a meeting-specific mailing list helps here, because it assumes that attendees will always register.

Brokers (and in particular, brokers who spam) can't be guaranteed to register, or more specifically, follow the rules. They could just show up as regular hotel guests, not register for the conference, and reach out to AFRINIC members like they did me and many others, to organize sidebar meetings, cocktails, dinners, e.t.c. This, I believe, is far more likely than anything else above-board.

So the best defence is to equip the membership to not get caught up in this whirlwind, should they be called to the side by the brokers.

Mark.

On 17/Nov/19 17:05, Augustine CHII Ngek wrote:

+1 Nishal 

We can simply go back to that tradition and see how it helps us in this present circumstances.

Augustine CHII NGEK

 

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 13:50 Nishal Goburdhan, <nishal at controlfreak.co.za> wrote:

On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
wrote:

> I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with 
> contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
> At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites) 
> and couldn?t find it.

many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that 
meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or 
jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you 
weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite) 
you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type 
messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting 
attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.

that process was unfortunately discontinued.

-n.

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From abscoco at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 19:15:39 2019
From: abscoco at gmail.com (Sylvain Baya)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:15:39 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss]  Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Hi all,

Le lundi 18 novembre 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> a ?crit :

> I don?t think so, you need to arrange it in advance, unless your country
> has some explicit waiver with Angola.
>
>
...yes, only two countries, iirc, and Cameroon is not part of those.


> I suggest the on-line system.
>
>
Copied/Pasted from <
https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-31/en/attend/travel-kit> :

~?~
VISA Requirements

   - Who needs a visa to travel to Angola?  Learn more at
   http://www.vsi-visa.com/en/angola/visa/visa-angola
   - Learn about the visa categories in Angola at
   http://www.smevisa.gov.ao/Default.aspx
   - Visa requirements available at http://www.smevisa.gov.ao/Default.aspx
   - Apply for a visa at http://www.smevisa.gov.ao/Terms.aspx

Delegates are requested to apply their visas in their respective Embassies
or online. For those who do not have embassies and are not eligible for
e-visa, please contact our local host at visa at aapsi.og.ao for any visa
assistance by the 15th November 2019assistance by the _*15th November 2019*_

You can also contact our local host at visa at aapsi.og.ao for any
visa assistance.
~?~


Shalom,
--sb.

I tried the local consulate in Madrid, and was almost impossible, but the
> online system worked very well and very fast.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 19/11/19 1:32, "Ndanga brice" <ndangabrice at gmail.com> escribi?:
>
>
>
> Could someone tell me if l could get the visa for Afrinic 31 once arrive
> at the airport of Angola?  Otherwise what should l do?
>
> [...]
>


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From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:22:36 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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On 18/Nov/19 21:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:

>
> ?
>
> I tried the local consulate in Madrid, and was almost impossible, but
> the online system worked very well and very fast.
>

Sounds like a feature fixing a bug :-).

Mark.
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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Mon Nov 18 19:40:40 2019
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:40:40 +0800
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Well is a nice history actually:

 

The ?initial problem? of the online system (which I always prefer) is that you can only use it within the 60 days of the meeting). They were asking for a 1 year minimum validity passport, and mine was only valid for 9 months at the meeting time ?.

 

Then the Madrid consulate said they only need 6 months passport, but same problem of only 60 days before the meeting, which was impossible for me, because I was *all the time traveling* in that period ?

 

And they said ?ah by the way, our system is broken, so we don?t know when we will be able to do visas ??

 

Then the online system reports that you need to do the biometry in the consulate ? and the consulate told me ?even when we fix our system, we don?t know yet when, we don?t have access to the on-line system so there is no way we can validate your visa biometry ?? wow!

 

Finally, just in case, I renewed my passport anticipately ? tried the electronic system and with the support of the local host which provided a few documents (they reacted in a matter of few hours, thanks a lot for that!), in a couple of days, I got the visa without the need of a physical biometry validation in the consultate.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 19/11/19 3:25, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> escribi?:

 

 

On 18/Nov/19 21:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:


  

I tried the local consulate in Madrid, and was almost impossible, but the online system worked very well and very fast.


Sounds like a feature fixing a bug :-).

Mark.
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From ndangabrice at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 19:56:34 2019
From: ndangabrice at gmail.com (Ndanga brice)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:56:34 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Country like Cameroon cannot apply for online system visa to Angola.
Because fields nationality and country of birth don't propose value
"Cameroon".
So what to do to get visa for afrinic 31 for a Cameroonian ?

Le lun. 18 nov. 2019 ? 18:27, Ndanga brice <ndangabrice at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Could someone tell me if l could get the visa for Afrinic 31 once arrive
> at the airport of Angola?  Otherwise what should l do?
>
> Le dim. 17 nov. 2019 ? 17:58, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> a ?crit :
>
>> I'm not sure having a meeting-specific mailing list helps here, because
>> it assumes that attendees will always register.
>>
>> Brokers (and in particular, brokers who spam) can't be guaranteed to
>> register, or more specifically, follow the rules. They could just show up
>> as regular hotel guests, not register for the conference, and reach out to
>> AFRINIC members like they did me and many others, to organize sidebar
>> meetings, cocktails, dinners, e.t.c. This, I believe, is far more likely
>> than anything else above-board.
>>
>> So the best defence is to equip the membership to not get caught up in
>> this whirlwind, should they be called to the side by the brokers.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 17/Nov/19 17:05, Augustine CHII Ngek wrote:
>>
>> +1 Nishal
>> We can simply go back to that tradition and see how it helps us in this
>> present circumstances.
>> Augustine CHII NGEK
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 13:50 Nishal Goburdhan, <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with
>>> > contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
>>> > At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites)
>>> > and couldn?t find it.
>>>
>>> many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that
>>> meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or
>>> jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you
>>> weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite)
>>> you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type
>>> messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting
>>> attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.
>>>
>>> that process was unfortunately discontinued.
>>>
>>> -n.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Tue Nov 19 04:58:52 2019
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 06:58:52 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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The joys of travel... I'm liking it less and less :-).

Mark.

On 18/Nov/19 21:40, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
>
> Well is a nice history actually:
>
> ?
>
> The ?initial problem? of the online system (which I always prefer) is
> that you can only use it within the 60 days of the meeting). They were
> asking for a 1 year minimum validity passport, and mine was only valid
> for 9 months at the meeting time ?.
>
> ?
>
> Then the Madrid consulate said they only need 6 months passport, but
> same problem of only 60 days before the meeting, which was impossible
> for me, because I was **all the time traveling** in that period ?
>
> ?
>
> And they said ?ah by the way, our system is broken, so we don?t know
> when we will be able to do visas ??
>
> ?
>
> Then the online system reports that you need to do the biometry in the
> consulate ? and the consulate told me ?even when we fix our system, we
> don?t know yet when, we don?t have access to the on-line system so
> there is no way we can validate your visa biometry ?? wow!
>
> ?
>
> Finally, just in case, I renewed my passport anticipately ? tried the
> electronic system and with the support of the local host which
> provided a few documents (they reacted in a matter of few hours,
> thanks a lot for that!), in a couple of days, I got the visa without
> the need of a physical biometry validation in the consultate.
>
> ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> El 19/11/19 3:25, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
> <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> escribi?:
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> On 18/Nov/19 21:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
>
>
>     ?
>
>     I tried the local consulate in Madrid, and was almost impossible,
>     but the online system worked very well and very fast.
>
>
> Sounds like a feature fixing a bug :-).
>
> Mark.
> _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss
> mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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Andrew,

Please may we stop the divisive posts. The way I see it, the thread was
about a spamming broker. Why then insult an independent unrelated
individual. Perhaps stopping these practices will help the community.

As repeated many times, our emerging, multicultural community requires care
and attention when interacting and dealing with people and above all
collective responsibility.

We have a code of conduct and we expect it to be enforced on the lists and
at meetings by people entitled to do so. We may revise the CoC on the go
with the end goal of no more CoC as everyone behaves correctly.

We will all benefit  from leading by example  and acting as role models
expecially from  those who have served in various leadership positions in
the past.

Noah

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 16:42 Andrew Alston, <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

> I would have a major problem with control over who attends the meetings.
>
>
>
> To be frank ? meetings are about the community, and if we start deciding
> who can and who can?t attend the meetings ? beyond the scope of a code of
> conduct ? it?s a dangerous and slippery slope from there.   I mean ? I
> believe we are feel to name, shame and shun those who behave in bad
> behavior at meetings if we as individuals do not like their behavior ? but
> I do not believe we should prevent attendance.
>
>
>
> In the same way ? I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus
> from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the
> lists.  I would advocate from banning them from the lists, and  I would
> fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting
> so they get the idea this is a **BAD** idea in future, but ? let them
> come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> *Date: *Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44
> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, "
> community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
>
>
> Thanks, Andrew.
>
> Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR
> members abide by these rules.
>
> What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out
> ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who attends
> the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and around the
> conference venue, which we definitely cannot control.
>
> So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an
> intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best defence
> at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't understand
> or don't really want to do.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Personally I have another take on this -
>
>
>
> I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start
> there.
>
>
>
> I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list
> for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services
> or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth
> having.
>
>
>
> This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it?s opt in so
> people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of
> subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each
> other.  I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.
>
>
>
> Just a thought
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM
> *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
>
>
> I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be
> easily forged.
>
> I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for
> their business is also feasible.
>
> The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with
> sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the
> glorious promises of engaging with them.
>
> Mark.
>
> On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:
>
>
>
> if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not
> welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at
> least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> <owen at delong.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM
> *To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net
> <members-discuss at afrinic.net> <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
>
>
> The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with
> them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out
> that you don?t do business with spammers.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I agree with you on the bad taste.
>
>
>
> Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain
> oneself
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
>
> Not sure if anyone else has received these...
>
> I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in
> my mouth.
>
> Mark.
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
> *Subject: *
>
> AFRINIC-31 Meeting
>
> *Date: *
>
> Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000
>
> *From: *
>
> Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com> <lena at breeden-comm.com>
>
> *To: *
>
> mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> Hope this email finds you well!
>
> I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and
> APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a
> pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration
> regarding IPv4 resources.
>
> We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based
> business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.
>
> NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any
> questions.
>
>
>
> See you at the event.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Elena Dontu
>
>
>
> lena.ipv4 (Skype)
>
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>
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>
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Wed Nov 20 03:41:28 2019
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 04:41:28 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Hi Nishal,

There is still a meetings list, I have received notification of being
subscribed to meeting list in the past. I think it's an opt in option on
the registration page.

Regards

Sent from my mobile
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 13:49 Nishal Goburdhan, <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
wrote:

> On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
> wrote:
>
> > I don?t think AFRINIC publishes an attendee list, an even less with
> > contact emails, so not sure how that will work.
> > At least, I just looked at the website (and recent events websites)
> > and couldn?t find it.
>
> many years ago, there were meeting-specific mailing lists, so that
> meeting attendees could share taxi rides, find dinner partners, or
> jogging trails, .. etc.  without spamming regular mailing lists.  if you
> weren?t registered for the specific meeting (and presumably onsite)
> you were saved from the span of ?where is a nice place to .. ? type
> messages, which were only really contextually useful for meeting
> attendees.  the lists were killed shortly after the meeting.
>
> that process was unfortunately discontinued.
>
> -n.
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From sander at steffann.nl  Wed Nov 20 14:00:40 2019
From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:00:40 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC-31 Meeting
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Hi Noah,

> Please may we stop the divisive posts. The way I see it, the thread was about a spamming broker. Why then insult an independent unrelated individual. Perhaps stopping these practices will help the community.

The same principle applies: there have been multiple people and organisations who have in the past violated the rules of appropriate behaviour. I agree with Andrew that they should still not be refused access to meetings. But those people should also consider whether it is a good idea to visit a community meeting whose rules they have (in some cases blatantly) violated.

> As repeated many times, our emerging, multicultural community requires care and attention when interacting and dealing with people and above all collective responsibility.
> 
> We have a code of conduct and we expect it to be enforced on the lists and at meetings by people entitled to do so. We may revise the CoC on the go with the end goal of no more CoC as everyone behaves correctly.

Exactly. People who want to come to meetings after they have mended their ways should be able to do so. And those who continue to misbehave should be told to leave as soon as they demonstrate that they haven't learned how to behave properly yet. But those willing to learn and improve their behaviour should be able to do so.

> We will all benefit  from leading by example  and acting as role models expecially from  those who have served in various leadership positions in the past.

I fully agree, and I hope the board will take your advice.

Cheers,
Sander