[Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[Anne-vivien Paris]

Hi Jordi,

Thank you for your input.

Our intention of making this education package is to help those newcomers
by providing them a brief introduction to the massive amount of discussions
on the mailing list. Afrinic website is complicated and intimidating for
beginners and we all know it is not that user-friendly and organised.

When conducting the material, we have tried our best to make it unbiased
and all quotations are selected on a random basis, unfavourable of any
particular party. I agree with you that pros and cons may not be the best
classifications, as it does limit the scope
of discussion. The classification is used merely because we deem it a
relatively easy and accessible way to understand the content as a starting
point.

The package is solely intended to help our fellows as a user-friendly
introductory package to them. Indeed, the package is not perfect and there
is a lot of space for improvement. We thank you for pointing out the
problems as this allows us to improve.

Regarding your doubt regarding our T&C, please kindly note that the
statement of protecting intellectual property rights is commonly found in
fellowship programmes of NGO and tertiary institutions. Let’s take RIPE’s
fellowship programme as a reference; in article 7.2 , it is written, “The
RIPE NCC's intellectual property rights (agreements, documents, software,
databases, website, RIPE NCC Material) may only be used, reproduced and
made available to third parties upon prior written authorisation from the
RIPE NCC and in accordance with the RIPE NCC Copyright Statement.” (Link:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/ripe-fellowship/ripe-fellowship-terms-and-conditions).
Although we do not have NDA, we protect our intellectual properties as we
value our staff and member’s contribution and copyrights. We believe each
individual’s intellectual property shall be strictly protected under
today’s Internet World to prevent plagiarism. If you consult a lawyer, it
is most likely he will tell you that NDA and protection of intellectual
property rights are entirely different things. The difference between these
two is that with protection of intellectual property rights, it is totally
fine if you talk to a third party about the programme and its details, but
distributing Larus Foundation’s intellectual property without our writing
consent is not acceptable. This is just to protect our intellectual
property rights and it does not in any sense restrict our fellow’s freedom
of speech.

As a NGO, we respect and value the community’s voice as it is what we
serve. The reason we published this here is because we want to let the
community know that we are transparent and open. Knowing the “pros” and
“cons” of this education package is not our intention, but the scope and
potential of improvement you showed us is very much valuable and
appreciated.

Best,
Vivien
*Vivien PARIS*
*LARUS FOUNDATION*
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 23:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:


> One more point to add.

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> I recall it has been said that fellows don’t sign an NDA and you also

> indicated that everything is public.

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> However, when I read your T&C, it says:

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> II. FELLOW’S OBLIGATIONS

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> J. LARUS’s intellectual property rights (including but not limited to

> agreements, documents, software, databases, website) may only be used,

> reproduced and made available to third parties upon prior written

> authorization from LARUS.

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> So, I think this is contradictory.

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> Regards,

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> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 3/7/19 17:45, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss" <

> community-discuss at afrinic.net> escribió:

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> Hi Anne-Vivien,

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> I don’t have any doubt about the good intent, but looking at your

> attachment, it is more negative than good for the community, at least, in

> my opinion.

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> 1)      It is discussing about older versions of the policy proposals

> (even withdraw ones), so it confuses people.

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> 2)      It is citing only some of the inputs in the list and making your

> own summary of the problem and how it is addressed, so it is biased.

>

> 3)      It is extracting “pros” and “cons”, so again, it is biasing

> people.

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> I think this should not be done by third parties, but authors and staff

> (see our previous email on this about a 1-2 pages PDF), not going into 2

> and 3 above and making sure that is done 1 week before the meeting, so only

> **latest** proposals/versions are considered.

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> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

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> El 3/7/19 17:34, "Anne-vivien Paris" <a.v.p at outsideheaven.com> escribió:

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> Dear all,

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> Judging from the recent dicussions on our Foundation, we deem it necessary

> to clarify things in order to prevent any misunderstanding within the

> community.

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> As stated several times, the Foundation is not a secretive organization.

> It is a registered NGO recognized by local government and everything we do

> is obliged by the law. Openness, equity and freedom are our principles. To

> prevent further confusion, I hereby attach the original copy of the

> Education Package we provide to our fellow. Nothing has been amended as we

> would like to show you the original work (an apology goes to the fact that

> staff mistakenly messed Noah's comment with another party, thanks for

> pointing that out Noah).

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> In fact, you can also find the T&C in the link below:

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> https://www.larusfoundation.org/fellowship-term-conditions/

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> We would be more than happy to provide our T&C and education package to

> the community for review should there be such a request in the future.

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> Best regards,

>

> Vivien

>

> *Vivien PARIS*

> *Larus FOUNDATION*

> p:+44 7746 416450

>

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