From amreesh at afrinic.net Mon Feb 4 06:00:14 2019 From: amreesh at afrinic.net (Amreesh Phokeer) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:00:14 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Internet Measurement Awareness Survey Message-ID: <82FA87E8-5340-4FA4-983D-E95034861D10@afrinic.net> {Apologies for cross-posting} Dear colleagues, AFRINIC has launched a survey with the aim of assessing the current status of Internet measurement in Africa. Your responses will help AFRINIC understand the available measurement infrastructure on the continent as well as the gap in the infrastructure and the relevant skills that need to be filled. AFRINIC will use the responses as guide in building Internet measurement programmes to train network operators, regulators, end users, and other stakeholders in the forthcoming summits, conferences, and *nog meetings across the continent. We invite you to take the survey available in both English (https://survey.afrinic.net/index.php/survey/index/sid/634362/newtest/Y/lang/en) and French (https://survey.afrinic.net/index.php/survey/index/sid/634362/newtest/Y/lang/fr). The deadline for filling the survey is 28 February 2018. Please read more on the benefits and the reasons behind the need for assessing the current status of Internet measurement in Africa from our blog here. https://www.afrinic.net/blog/421-africa-internet-measurement-awareness-survey ????????????????. Chers coll?gues, AFRINIC a lanc? un sondage dans le but d'?valuer l'?tat actuel de la m?trologie des r?seaux en Afrique. Vos r?ponses aideront AFRINIC ? comprendre l'infrastructure de la m?trologie disponible sur le continent, ainsi que les lacunes dans l?infrastructure et les lacunes au niveau des comp?tences. Les r?sultats de ce sondage servira ? ?laborer des programmes de m?trologie des r?seaux destin?s ? former les op?rateurs de r?seau, les r?gulateurs, les utilisateurs finaux et d'autres partenaires lors des prochains sommets, conf?rences et r?unions ? travers le continent. Nous vous invitons ? r?pondre au sondage qui est disponible en anglais (https://survey.afrinic.net/index.php/survey/index/sid/634362/newtest/Y/lang/en) et en fran?ais (https: // survey .afrinic.net / index.php / survey / index / sid / 634362 / newtest / Y / lang / fr). La date limite pour remplir le questionnaire est 28 f?vrier 2018. Consultez notre blog ici pour en savoir plus sur les avantages et les raisons de la n?cessit? d'?valuer l'?tat actuel de la m?trologie des r?seaux en Afrique. https://www.afrinic.net/blog/421-africa-internet-measurement-awareness-survey From owen at delong.com Mon Feb 4 21:19:34 2019 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 13:19:34 -0800 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AfriNIC Bylaws Feedback Message-ID: <363BB786-4508-47D5-9A7E-EE24CF6EEC5A@delong.com> Since the bylaws feedback period was extended, I decided to take advantage of the time and do a more thorough review of the bylaws. Below are my findings. While the message is long, I believe that each and every finding is pertinent to improving the bylaws to make a more functional organization. Some are merely typographical corrections while others are more substantive. This email strictly attempts to address the errors and omissions in the bylaws without contemplating any major changes to the intent or the structure of the organization. I hope the community and the governance committee find this work useful: ==================== The word OBJECTS in section 3 would (at least in the US) most commonly be expressed as ?Objectives?. Perhaps this (seemingly odd) terminology is an artifact of Mauritian legal construction and/or translation from French, but absent a pressing need to preserve the exact term, I would suggest that ?Objectives? more accurately represents the intent here? See: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/object vs.: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/objective?s=t In section 3.4, there are a couple of places where I believe AfriNICs duty would be better expressed to the community rather than the membership. Specifically: 3.4 (v) ?in the best interests of members? suggest ?in the best interests of the African internet community? 3.4 (vi) ?standards related to internet service provision to members. suggest ? standards related to internet service provision to the African internet community. 4.1 should be made more generic unless there is a legal prohibition of same. For example: 4.1 Funding for the running of the Company shall be realized from the following: (i) Fees for various services related to the registration of internet number resources (ii) grants and voluntary donations (iii) fees for other services such as training (iv) such other sources as may be deemed appropriate from time to time by the Board 6.3 is awkwardly worded. Suggested replacement: 6.3 Individuals elected as Directors in accordance with Article 13 below shall be Registered Members. The Chief Executive Officer, also, shall automatically be appointed as a Registered Member. Prior to appointment as registered members, each individual shall sign such forms as may be prescribed by the laws of Mauritius and to contribute Rs. 500 (five hundred Mauritian rupees only) in the event of the Company being wound up according to Article 22. Suggest adding the following sections: 6.5 Associate Member - A legal entity shall be deemed an Associate Member after completing the following actions cumulatively: (i) Demonstrated that he/she/it is based within the AfriNIC service region or operates a network within the region. (ii) Signed AfriNIC?s associate membership agreement and completed AfriNIC?s associate membership application. (iii) Paid the applicable membership fee to AfriNIC. 7.1 I see no reason not to include associate members in this section. Suggested rewording: 7.1 Each member (regardless of type) shall be entitled to receive notice of all member meetings in accordance with Articles 12.4 and 12.11 below, as applicable, and to attend all such meetings. 7.2 I do not believe associate members should participate in the election of the Board and I believe that this provides a path for organizational capture. Suggested rewording: 7.2 Annual General Members Meeting Rights (i) Resource and Registered members shall be entitled to, by majority vote on the day of each Annual General Members? Meeting, to elect the Directors of the Company in accordance with Article 13.5 below. (ii) All members (regardless of type) shall be entitled to discuss and comment on the general policies of the Company on such issues and for such a time as shall be reasonably allowed by the chairperson of the Annual General Members? Meeting. If my suggestions to amend the above sections are taken, then sections 7.4 and 7.5 become obsolete and should be deleted. 7.6 section (iv) suggest replacing the word ?objects? with ?objectives? as above. 8.2 does not allow for the transfer of a resource membership in the event of death of an individual resource member to a willing successor heir. Suggest modifying 8.2(i) as follows: (i) the Resource Member, if not an individual, ceasing to exist pursuant to the laws fo its country of incorporation or, being an individual, upon his death except that an individual may provide for the transference of his resource membership to an heir or successor which takes on the continued operation of the network requiring the resources associated with the membership. Section 9.1 is an absurd tautology? No person is a candidate at the time of appointment of the Nom Com because the Nom Com selects those individuals to be candidates. Suggested rewording: 9.1 No person shall be appointed to the Nom Com if that person states an intent to become a candidate in an election for which the Nom Com is nominating candidates. No person who is domiciled in a region whose seat is open for renewal in the current election shall be appointed to the Nom Com. Section 9.2 lacks transparency and is open to abuse. Suggested rewording: 9.2 The Nom Com shall report to the Board and operate under such guidelines as may be prescribed by the Board. All such guidelines shall be published to the AfriNIC membership and to the African Internet Community no less than 90 days prior to the selection of members of the Nom Com. Section 9.3(a) is unclear on what constitutes ?a satisfactory number of individuals?. Suggest modifying this to specify no less than 2 individuals for each open seat in the election. Typographically, 9.3(ii) d) should be on the line below c). Section 12.1(iv) does not address the potential situation where someone believes that the chair of the meeting has acted outside of the constitution. Propose adding the following: 12.1(v) In the event that a point of order is raised claiming that the chair?s ruling in the preceding subparagraph is not in line with this constitution, the motion shall be heard by the board members present. The chair may then limit discussion of the matter to any reasonable amount of time not less than 10 minutes, followed by a vote of the board members present to determine if the chair?s ruling was consistent with this constitution. If the board members determine that the chair?s ruling was out of order, they shall come to consensus on an alternate ruling and present that new ruling to the community. That ruling will be final and not subject to any appeal. There is ambiguity in section 12.3 where it could be construed in multiple ways as to the class(es) of members represented. ?All members entitled to attend and vote? could be either interpreted as the intersection of members entitled to attend and those entitled to vote (that is only those who have both rights) or it could be interpreted as the union (that is both members entitled to attend and members entitled to vote). Indeed, since there are no members entitled to vote who are not by the nature of that right also entitled to attend, one could argue that the intersection is not the logical interpretation and therefore the union must have been the intent of the framers. IMHO, the community should discuss this matter and come to a consensus on which intent more accurately reflects the best interests of the membership and the community. If the intent is truly the intersection, then I suggest simply removing the reference to members entitled to attend as it is superfluous verbiage which creates unnecessary confusion. If the intent is truly the union, then I suggest simply removing the reference to members entitled to vote as it is then superfluous verbiage which creates unnecessary confusion. I believe that section 12.4 could be abused in order to deny some subset of members their rights. As such, I suggest that it either be stricken or severely limited in its scope (i.e. place limits on the number of members omitted or otherwise curtail the potential scope of abuse that could be committed under this section. I believe this matter should be specifically discussed by the membership and the community to come to consensus on the best limitations to be placed here. The language in section 12.5 (or where directed by the Annual General Members? Meeting) is difficult to parse in its limited context. Suggested replacement of 12.5: 12.5 The chairperson may of necessity, or where directed by vote of the members present, adjourn the Meeting from time to time and from place to place, but no business shall be transacted at the reconvening of any adjourned AGMM called under Article 11.1 other than the business left unfinished at the AGMM from which the adjournment took place. I do not believe that 12.7 is appropriate. I believe that associate members, while not receiving voting rights should be given the right to speak and comment on regular and special motions and other matters at an AGMM. I suggest: 12.7 Associate members may attend and participate in the AGMM, though they shall not have the right to vote on matters before the membership. Section 12.9 does not (technically) allow for e-voting to begin before the day of the meeting. Also, the ?such other method of communication? clause could be subject to abuse. I suggest that a limit should be placed on that clause providing that any changes to the mechanism of voting must be noticed to the community prior to the announcement of the slate by the Nom Com. I believe that the quorum requirements in 12.10 should be overhauled. The number of resource members allowed to constitute quorum is incredibly low compared to the current resource membership of AfriNIC and could be abused. Further, the requirement for elected directors has proven onerous under the current circumstances. As such, I suggest that the word ?elected? be replaced with ?elected or appointed? in 12.10(ii) subparagraphs a) and b). I believe the community should discuss and come to consensus around the number of resource members required for quorum, but would suggest that not less than 20 would be worthy of consideration. There is a problem with the language in 12.12(viii) in that a proxy who is not a member would not be subject to any limitation while a member would be limited to casting a total of six votes. Further, the limitation is on the number of proxies carried during the election rather than the number of proxies used in the election, thus further restricting a member from carrying proxies that may be used during votes on motions due to the nature of the time required to appoint a proxy vs. the time of the election. Personally, I think that this whole rule is rather absurd and contrary to the interests of the community, but I understand that it has wide support in the community. As such, I would suggest the following replacement: (viii) No entity (whether natural person or corporation) may exercise more than five (5) proxies during any election held by the Company. If said entity is a member entitled to vote, this will allow the member to exercise up to six (6) votes. If said entity is not a voting member, then it would limit the member to no more than five (5) votes. Section 12.13 does not require minutes for members? meetings other than the AGMM. This is absurd. Suggest replacing ?Annual General Members? Meetings? with ?Members' Meetings? in 12.13 subparagraphs (i), (ii), and (iii). Section 12.13 should require the publication of the minutes on a timely basis. Suggest adding to section 12.13 (iv) The Minutes of all Members? Meetings and Board meetings shall be published (made available to the general public electronically in accordance with the preceding subparagraph) upon approval by the board, but in no case more than 30 days after the conclusion of the meeting represented in the minutes. Section 12.14(ix) should be stricken. The board should not have the right to censor proposals from members and refuse to bring them to a floor vote. Alternatively, should the body choose not to strike 12.14(ix), then there should be added a mechanism to appeal the board?s decision to reject such a matter to the membership and there should be a threshold established for the membership to be able to override said board decision. (e.g. "if no less than 10 members eligible to vote agree that the matter should be heard and voted upon by the membership at the meeting, then the board?s decision shall be overridden?) Section 13.1 et. seq. probably needs a rewrite given that it was not followed by the board in response to the events in Dakar. Section 13.4 I believe it is time to increase the number of directors which are appointed at-large, either by expanding the board or by consolidating some of the regions. I propose that the number of at-large directors should be equal to the number of regional directors. Section 13.7 is inconsistent with Section 13.1. This should be remedied. Section 13.14 is inconsistent with Section 13.1. This should also be remedied. Section 14.1 subparagraph (v) fails to contemplate other mechanisms by which the CEO may depart (resignation, death, etc.). This should be corrected. Section 16 should be deleted and the Council of Elders should be disbanded and thanked for its service. While this council provided benefit to the leadership of a younger organization in previous years, that time has passed and the council has become an anachronism which is not, IMHO, benefiting the organization. Section 19.9 should be stricken, ideally being replaced by: 19.9 Votes of the Board shall be by roll call vote and the vote of each member shall be recorded in the minutes of the meeting. 19.13 should be brought into the 21st century: (iii) The board may pass a resolution by the affirmative vote of two-thirds of all Directors then entitled to vote submitting their assent to the secretary of the company and the board by email except that any such resolution shall be subject to a board member repudiating his alleged vote within 10 days of the notification of the vote. Any resolution thus repudiated shall require a voice vote at an actual meeting of the board in order to be passed. This repudiation to be used to prevent resolutions through e-mail fraud or impersonation. Respectfully submitted, Owen DeLong owen at delong.com From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Tue Feb 5 06:53:11 2019 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 06:53:11 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AfriNIC whois servers down Message-ID: Hi AfriNIC Community, I am deliberately posting this to the community mailing list - since this issue affects *everyone* and is not a isolated issue that I will send via a normal ticket (though I have copied in AfriNIC support as well) I noticed this morning that AFRINIC whois servers are not responding - and we are getting timeouts to these servers. My first thought was that this may be some kinda issue from our side (routing or something), but have since verified this with 4 other unrelated providers - all seeing the same issue. Now - I understand maintenance - and I understand outages - however - whois servers are actually a pretty critical piece of infrastructure - so I have three questions 1. When will this be fixed 2. Why was this community not informed of an outage to these servers the moment it happened 3. What are the redundancies in place for these servers considering that amongst other things - the route object database is accessed via this mechanism - which makes this critical to generation of filters and other such things - and I notice that both servers sit on a single subnet - that almost certainly sits in the same geographic location. 4. Considering that this community puts enough emphasis on whois data to restrict RDNS to subnets that are not assigned (and hence in whois) - it is incumbent on AFRINIC to keep these servers functional! I look forward to prompt answers Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Tue Feb 5 07:19:50 2019 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 07:19:50 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AfriNIC whois servers down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Afrinic, As a followup question - can AFRINIC please explain to me how the status page is showing all operational - when in fact - both web and whois servers were offline and down. This is EXTREMELY concerning - since it means that not only do we have things down that are critical to this community - but the page that is meant to tell us if there is a problem - is malfunctioning to report no errors. Andrew From: Andrew Alston Sent: 05 February 2019 09:53 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: service-support at afrinic.net; hostmaster at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] AfriNIC whois servers down Importance: High Hi AfriNIC Community, I am deliberately posting this to the community mailing list - since this issue affects *everyone* and is not a isolated issue that I will send via a normal ticket (though I have copied in AfriNIC support as well) I noticed this morning that AFRINIC whois servers are not responding - and we are getting timeouts to these servers. My first thought was that this may be some kinda issue from our side (routing or something), but have since verified this with 4 other unrelated providers - all seeing the same issue. Now - I understand maintenance - and I understand outages - however - whois servers are actually a pretty critical piece of infrastructure - so I have three questions 1. When will this be fixed 2. Why was this community not informed of an outage to these servers the moment it happened 3. What are the redundancies in place for these servers considering that amongst other things - the route object database is accessed via this mechanism - which makes this critical to generation of filters and other such things - and I notice that both servers sit on a single subnet - that almost certainly sits in the same geographic location. 4. Considering that this community puts enough emphasis on whois data to restrict RDNS to subnets that are not assigned (and hence in whois) - it is incumbent on AFRINIC to keep these servers functional! I look forward to prompt answers Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 502 Bad Gateway 2019-02-05 10:19:04 ERROR 502: Bad Gateway. [frank at fisi ~]$ times are in EAT (UTC+3) Confirmed with only one other source network. Regards, Frank On 05/02/2019 09:53, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Hi AfriNIC Community, > > I am deliberately posting this to the community mailing list ? since > this issue affects **everyone** and is not a isolated issue that I > will send via a normal ticket (though I have copied in AfriNIC support > as well) > > I noticed this morning that AFRINIC whois servers are not responding ? > and we are getting timeouts to these servers.? My first thought was > that this may be some kinda issue from our side (routing or > something), but have since verified this with 4 other unrelated > providers ? all seeing the same issue. > > Now ? I understand maintenance ? and I understand outages ? however ? > whois servers are actually a pretty critical piece of infrastructure ? > so I have three questions > > 1. When will this be fixed > 2. Why was this community not informed of an outage to these servers > the moment it happened > 3. What are the redundancies in place for these servers considering > that amongst other things ? the route object database is accessed > via this mechanism ? which makes this critical to generation of > filters and other such things ? and I notice that both servers sit > on a single subnet ? that almost certainly sits in the same > geographic location. > 4. Considering that this community puts enough emphasis on whois data > to restrict RDNS to subnets that are not assigned (and hence in > whois) ? it is incumbent on AFRINIC to keep these servers functional! > > I look forward to prompt answers > > Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cedrick.mbeyet at afrinic.net Tue Feb 5 13:40:50 2019 From: cedrick.mbeyet at afrinic.net (Cedrick Adrien Mbeyet) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 17:40:50 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AfriNIC whois servers down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0ba48255-b8ab-539b-9334-5f04bbd3ac17@afrinic.net> Dear AFRINIC Community, ? Dear Andrew, Thank you for your email and for sharing your concern to the AFRINIC community. On behalf of AFRINIC NOC team, allow me to provide some answers to your concern. ? First of all, I want to announce that Afrinic WHOIS query service is back online since 08:32am UTC today (05/02/2019). However, we still monitor the service to ensure that it is fully stable before updating it as resolved on https://status.afrinic.net/. We apologize for the inconvenience caused and for not updating AFRINIC Status page at the time it happens. We acknowledge failure on our Incident monitoring and reporting process, and necessary measures are ongoing to improve on that and for this to not happen in the future. ? Please rest assure that AFRINIC team is taking our Community concerns very seriously. As a matter of fact, AFRINIC CEO, Alan Barrett made it a priority to aggressively tackle the issues of redundancy and reliability via system refresh and replacements. All resources have been mobilized for AFRINIC team to provide a more reliable and resilient service to our community. ? Once again, we thank you for your email and we welcome any feedback or suggestion to the AFRINIC NOC team via our email noc[at]afrinic[dot]net. ? Regards, -- _______________________________________________________________ Cedrick Adrien Mbeyet Infrastructure Unit Manager, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 5100 / 403 5115 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ______________________________________________________ On 05/02/2019 10:53, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Hi AfriNIC Community, > > ? > > I am deliberately posting this to the community mailing list ? since > this issue affects **everyone** and is not a isolated issue that I > will send via a normal ticket (though I have copied in AfriNIC support > as well) > > ? > > I noticed this morning that AFRINIC whois servers are not responding ? > and we are getting timeouts to these servers.? My first thought was > that this may be some kinda issue from our side (routing or > something), but have since verified this with 4 other unrelated > providers ? all seeing the same issue. > > ? > > Now ? I understand maintenance ? and I understand outages ? however ? > whois servers are actually a pretty critical piece of infrastructure ? > so I have three questions > > ? > > 1. When will this be fixed > 2. Why was this community not informed of an outage to these servers > the moment it happened > 3. What are the redundancies in place for these servers considering > that amongst other things ? the route object database is accessed > via this mechanism ? which makes this critical to generation of > filters and other such things ? and I notice that both servers sit > on a single subnet ? that almost certainly sits in the same > geographic location. > 4. 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URL: From christianbope at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:43:21 2019 From: christianbope at gmail.com (Bope Christian) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 16:43:21 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Message-ID: Dear community, As the community is aware, the results of the vote at the May/June 2018 AGMM led to an unprecedented situation where AFRINIC could not call and hold the June 2019 AGMM as the Company did not satisfy the provisions regarding quorum as provided for in Art 12.10 of its Constitution. AFRINIC was advised to apply to the Supreme Court of Mauritius under section 118 of the Companies Act 2001 for an Order from the said Court to be able to call the June 2019 AGMM. I am pleased to announce that the Supreme Court of Mauritius has made an order, under case reference SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, whereby the Learned Judge has: (i) waived the requirements of Art 12.10 of the AFRINIC Constitution, and (ii) declared that a minimum of 10 members (irrespective of their status as regional or non-regional directors, registered or resource members) duly constitutes a quorum for the purposes of the AGMM to be held on or about June 2019. Best Regards, Christian D. Bope, PhD Chairman, AFRINIC Board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP URL: From comm-announce at afrinic.net Thu Feb 7 18:01:05 2019 From: comm-announce at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 22:01:05 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Nomcom Appointment Message-ID: <44C9BAFE-924A-47E0-9E63-67420895F0B7@afrinic.net> Dear AFRINIC community, The AFRINIC Board has appointed the following people to the Nomination Committee (NomCom) for the 2019 year, under the provisions of Article 9 of the AFRINIC Constitution: - Balbine Manga, Ali Hadji Mmadi and Iyedi Goma to the 2019 NomCom as community representatives; - Subramanian Moonesamy to the 2019 NomCom as the Board representative ???????. [francais] Ch?re communaut? de l'AFRINIC, Le Conseil d?administration de l'AFRINIC a nomm? les personnes suivantes au Comit? de Nomination (NomCom) pour l'ann?e 2019:, sous - Balbine Manga, Ali Hadji Mmadi and Iyedi Goma au comit? de nomination 2019 (NomCom) en tant que r?presentants de la communaut? ; - Subramanian Moonesamy au comit? de nomination 2019 (NomCom) en tant que repr?sentant du conseil d?administration [arabic] ??????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???? ????... ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????? 2019 ????? ?????? ?????? ??? 9 ?? ??????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ???: - ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ???? 2019 ???? ?????? ?? ???????. - ??????????? ???????? ????? ??????? ???? 2019 ???? ???? ???? ???????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From comm-announce at afrinic.net Thu Feb 7 18:22:15 2019 From: comm-announce at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 22:22:15 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Board appointments to fill casual vacancies Message-ID: <306881E2-4E32-4DA2-A6EB-371D6BCE9133@afrinic.net> Dear AFRINIC members and community, The AFRINIC Board has made the following appointments to fill vacant seats in the Board, in terms of Article 13.14 of the AFRINIC Bylaws: Ousmane Ly to seat 2 (Western Africa) ; Robert Nkusi Ford to seat 6 (Eastern Africa) ; These appointments are with effect from 1 February 2019, until the next AGMM which is planned to be held in June 2019. Additional information: Call for expressions of interest (30 November 2018) . Call for comments (22 January 2019) >. ---------- [fran?ais] Chers membres et communaut? d'AFRINIC, Le Conseil d'AFRINIC a proc?d? aux nominations suivantes pour pourvoir les si?ges vacants au sein du Conseil, conform?ment ? l'article 13.14 des statuts de l'AFRINIC: Ousmane Ly to seat 2 (Afrique de l'ouest) ; Robert Nkusi Ford to seat 6 (Afrique de l'est) Ces nominations sont en vigueur du 1 f?vrier 2019 jusqu'au prochain AGMM qui est pr?vu pour juin 2019. Information additionnelle: Appel ? manifestation d'int?r?t (30 novembre 2018) >. 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URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Fri Feb 8 03:47:55 2019 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2019 06:47:55 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C91869B-9E35-4A38-8077-B2DA99FD3A74@nftconsult.com> Chair Thanks for this update. Regards From: Bope Christian Date: Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 5:47 PM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Dear community, As the community is aware, the results of the vote at the May/June 2018 AGMM led to an unprecedented situation where AFRINIC could not call and hold the June 2019 AGMM as the Company did not satisfy the provisions regarding quorum as provided for in Art 12.10 of its Constitution. AFRINIC was advised to apply to the Supreme Court of Mauritius under section 118 of the Companies Act 2001 for an Order from the said Court to be able to call the June 2019 AGMM. I am pleased to announce that the Supreme Court of Mauritius has made an order, under case reference SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, whereby the Learned Judge has: (i) waived the requirements of Art 12.10 of the AFRINIC Constitution, and (ii) declared that a minimum of 10 members (irrespective of their status as regional or non-regional directors, registered or resource members) duly constitutes a quorum for the purposes of the AGMM to be held on or about June 2019. Best Regards, Christian D. Bope, PhD Chairman, AFRINIC Board _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, /Janvier Ngnoulaye Le jeu. 7 f?vr. 2019 ? 15:46, Bope Christian a ?crit : > Dear community, > > As the community is aware, the results of the vote at the May/June 2018 > AGMM led to an unprecedented situation where AFRINIC could not call and > hold the June 2019 AGMM as the Company did not satisfy the provisions > regarding quorum as provided for in Art 12.10 of its Constitution. > > AFRINIC was advised to apply to the Supreme Court of Mauritius under > section 118 of the Companies Act 2001 for an Order from the said Court to > be able to call the June 2019 AGMM. > > I am pleased to announce that the Supreme Court of Mauritius has made an > order, under case reference SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, whereby the Learned > Judge has: > > (i) waived the requirements of Art 12.10 of the AFRINIC Constitution, and > > (ii) declared that a minimum of 10 members (irrespective of their status > as regional or non-regional directors, registered or resource members) duly > constitutes a quorum for the purposes of the AGMM to be held on or about > June 2019. > > Best Regards, > Christian D. Bope, PhD > Chairman, AFRINIC Board > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amreesh at afrinic.net Wed Feb 13 08:26:35 2019 From: amreesh at afrinic.net (Amreesh Phokeer) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 12:26:35 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Expression of Interest on collaborative R&D projects with AFRINIC Message-ID: <261E03BD-9D83-4A9D-B638-C5FE71D34C80@afrinic.net> Dear Colleagues, AFRINIC is pleased to invite you to express your interest in collaborating on its Research and Development projects. Please find more information on how you can collaborate with AFRINIC by reading this blog article. https://www.afrinic.net/blog/429-expression-of-interest-on-collaborative-projects-with-afrinic-r-d ????????????????????. Chers coll?gues, AFRINIC a le plaisir de vous inviter ? exprimer votre int?r?t pour collaborer ? ses projets de recherche. Vous trouverez plus d?informations sur cette collaboration avec AFRINIC en lisant cet article de blog. https://www.afrinic.net/blog/429-expression-of-interest-on-collaborative-projects-with-afrinic-r-d Best regards, -- Amreesh D. Phokeer R&D Manager, AFRINIC t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia @amreesh Skype: amreesh.afrinic _______________________ From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Sat Feb 16 11:57:38 2019 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 15:57:38 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Nomcom 2019 Chair Message-ID: <94E8453A-2179-48BF-8A98-B361448354D7@afrinic.net> Dear AFRINIC members and community, I am pleased to announce that the Nomination Committee (NomCom) has elected Serge Parfait Goma as NomCom Chair for the 2019 year. Regards, Alan Barrett CEO, AFRINIC --- Chers membres d'AFRINIC et de la communaut?, J'ai le plaisir d'annoncer que le Comit? de nomination (NomCom) a ?lu Serge Parfait Goma ? la pr?sidence du NomCom pour 2019. Cordialement, Alan Barrett DG, AFRINIC ? ?????? ????? ?????? AFRINIC ? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??????? 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Help us assess the needs and challenges of the African Community by taking this short Internet Measurement Awareness Survey here: http://bit.ly/Internet-Measurement-Awareness-Survey On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:00 AM Amreesh Phokeer wrote: > {Apologies for cross-posting} > > Dear colleagues, > > AFRINIC has launched a survey with the aim of assessing the current status > of Internet measurement in Africa. > > Your responses will help AFRINIC understand the available measurement > infrastructure on the continent as well as the gap in the infrastructure > and the relevant skills that need to be filled. AFRINIC will use the > responses as guide in building Internet measurement programmes to train > network operators, regulators, end users, and other stakeholders in the > forthcoming summits, conferences, and *nog meetings across the continent. > > We invite you to take the survey available in both English ( > https://survey.afrinic.net/index.php/survey/index/sid/634362/newtest/Y/lang/en) > and French ( > https://survey.afrinic.net/index.php/survey/index/sid/634362/newtest/Y/lang/fr). > > > The deadline for filling the survey is 28 February 2018. > > Please read more on the benefits and the reasons behind the need for > assessing the current status of Internet measurement in Africa from our > blog here. > https://www.afrinic.net/blog/421-africa-internet-measurement-awareness-survey > > ????????????????. > > Chers coll?gues, > > AFRINIC a lanc? un sondage dans le but d'?valuer l'?tat actuel de la > m?trologie des r?seaux en Afrique. Vos r?ponses aideront AFRINIC ? > comprendre l'infrastructure de la m?trologie disponible sur le continent, > ainsi que les lacunes dans l?infrastructure et les lacunes au niveau des > comp?tences. > > Les r?sultats de ce sondage servira ? ?laborer des programmes de > m?trologie des r?seaux destin?s ? former les op?rateurs de r?seau, les > r?gulateurs, les utilisateurs finaux et d'autres partenaires lors des > prochains sommets, conf?rences et r?unions ? travers le continent. > > Nous vous invitons ? r?pondre au sondage qui est disponible en anglais ( > https://survey.afrinic.net/index.php/survey/index/sid/634362/newtest/Y/lang/en) > et en fran?ais (https: // survey .afrinic.net / index.php / survey / > index / sid / 634362 / newtest / Y / lang / fr). > > La date limite pour remplir le questionnaire est 28 f?vrier 2018. > > Consultez notre blog ici pour en savoir plus sur les avantages et les > raisons de la n?cessit? d'?valuer l'?tat actuel de la m?trologie des > r?seaux en Afrique. > https://www.afrinic.net/blog/421-africa-internet-measurement-awareness-survey > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dabu.sifiso at yandex.com Wed Feb 20 16:22:02 2019 From: dabu.sifiso at yandex.com (Dabu Sifiso) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 10:22:02 -0600 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Feb 21 12:53:58 2019 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 12:53:58 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> Message-ID: I am also waiting for an acknowledgement of this request ? I requested the same thing from the members list and via the board ? and there is deafening silence. It concerns me that AFRINIC seems to believe that they can make claims about court orders ? but despite the fact that by law these rules are a matter of public record ? AFRINIC is choosing not to disclose copies of the full order to this list ? and in essence forcing members to go and seek the actual order from the courts itself. I cannot understand the resistance to publish this ? and while I cannot provide any proof of this ? the only logical reasons I can see in my mind to NOT publish the full order, would be a.) the order doesn?t actually exist or b.) there is something in that order the board would prefer the members not to see. I find it hard to comprehend that it could be (a) because that would be blatant misrepresentation to the member base that by the virtue of what AFRINIC claims in the court order now have legal standing and hence ? that leaves (b) ? however ? you cannot ACT on a court order that you do not disclose ? because it is entirely unreasonable for AFRINIC to come and make a claim like ? we have a court order that allows us to hold an AGMM ? yet refuse to produce the actual court order ? duly signed and stamped by the court. The fact that this question has now been asked by multiple individuals ? including emails sent to the board ? the members list ? this list ? and from multiple people who are in good standing ? and as of yet has had ZERO response ? is entirely intolerable. In addition ? I figured I would go and see what was in the minutes about this ? but ? the board has not published ANY meeting minutes for any meeting post September 2018 ? despite the fact that minutes are meant to be ratified at the subsequent board meeting, as a result ? the membership base is once again kept in the dark. Nor have I had ANYTHING back on the fact that the board made an explicit statement to the community that when that case was coming up on the roll they would inform the community ? which did not happen ? be it by oversight or deliberate omission ? this is a categoric violation of the bottom up approach to which AFRINIC committed itself under ICP2. I also need to raise the fact that despite NUMEROUS members raising the issue of the ?none of the above? modification to election guidelines on both members and community list ? that is yet another question asked months ago that the board has chosen to categorically ignore. Yet again ? this was a top down decision ? again ? in violation of ICP2 and without any member consultation or agreement. The simple fact is ? the transparency of this organisation is non-existent ? and right now ? until that court order is produced for the member base ? the organisation cannot expect its members to go on ?faith? ? because it is faith that they have done nothing to earn. Andrew From: Dabu Sifiso Sent: 20 February 2019 19:22 To: Sander Steffann Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Hi, I cannot find any reply or even ban acknowledgement of this request. Is there any legal issues preventing comments from the board or Afrinic staff on the status of that ruling? /Dabu 17:47, 7 February 2019, Sander Steffann >: Hi, I am pleased to announce that the Supreme Court of Mauritius has made an order, under case reference SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018 I can't seem to find that case on their website. Can you please post the full order? 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Andrew ?On 21/02/2019, 19:49, "Sander Steffann" wrote: Hi Andrew, > I am also waiting for an acknowledgement of this request ? I requested the same thing from the members list and via the board ? and there is deafening silence. By now I have given up all hope that that court case even exists... Hopefully I am just being pessimistic :) Cheers, Sander From dabu.sifiso at yandex.com Fri Feb 22 10:35:01 2019 From: dabu.sifiso at yandex.com (Dabu Sifiso) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 04:35:01 -0600 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <4193601550823244@iva5-84bc572481fe.qloud-c.yandex.net> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> Message-ID: <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards BN From: Andrew Alston Date: Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:57 PM To: Dabu Sifiso , Sander Steffann Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Feb 22 15:20:10 2019 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:20:10 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> Message-ID: <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> > On 22 Feb 2019, at 14:35, Dabu Sifiso wrote: > Only the CEO's office can answer this by now. > The board has decided their part was done, they made an announcement, they choose to ignore requests for more information and provide silence as an answer. I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. Regards, Alan Barrett From sander at steffann.nl Fri Feb 22 16:10:03 2019 From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:10:03 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Hi Alan, > I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? Why make us all go through the trouble and cost of going through the court registry? 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Thanks Andrew From: Alan Barrett Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi Alan, > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? I attach it here. Regards, Alan Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madomey at hotmail.com Sat Feb 23 07:30:43 2019 From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 07:30:43 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> , <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: Dear Community, As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than failure. Let us be vigilante Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the organization will never die!! "AFRINIC en avant" Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM To: Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Thank you Alan, Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base and should contain nothing sensitive. Thanks Andrew From: Alan Barrett Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi Alan, > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? I attach it here. Regards, Alan Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Sat Feb 23 11:33:09 2019 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 11:33:09 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: <28ACCC04-15CF-4F56-852F-73E2CDC7F38D@liquidtelecom.com> Dear Marcus, Rather than unsubstantiated grandiose claims with no evidence to back them up ? can I invite you to get specific ? who are these individuals ? and can you justify the claim that they are known for nothing more than failure. Failure in what context? Their lives? That?s a pretty wide statement to make about anyone ? so I really am curious to hear how you justify this and to whom you refer, since ? I know of no one on this list that is known for nothing more than failure. I know people on this list who are known for chairing pdp?s, who are known for implementing submarine networks, who are known for good work in IPv6 deployment, who are known for training at afnog, hell, I even know of someone known for claiming he would sue God ? but known for nothing more than failure? Nope, can?t quite figure out who you are talking about there Andrew From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" Date: Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 10:30 To: Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC , Andrew Alston Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Dear Community, As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than failure. Let us be vigilante Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the organization will never die!! "AFRINIC en avant" Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM To: Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Thank you Alan, Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base and should contain nothing sensitive. Thanks Andrew From: Alan Barrett Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi Alan, > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? I attach it here. Regards, Alan Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madomey at hotmail.com Sat Feb 23 13:39:10 2019 From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:39:10 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <28ACCC04-15CF-4F56-852F-73E2CDC7F38D@liquidtelecom.com> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> , <28ACCC04-15CF-4F56-852F-73E2CDC7F38D@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Are you " the destructive elements, credited and known for nothing more than failure"? If YES, which evidence do you want? If NO, what is pinching you? Those obstructing AFRINIC AGMM know themselves from Dakar to Kampala. Those constantly harassing AFRINIC are also known. And those trying to seem relevant are also known. Enjoy your weekend!!! Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:33:09 AM To: Marcus K. G. Adomey; Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Dear Marcus, Rather than unsubstantiated grandiose claims with no evidence to back them up ? can I invite you to get specific ? who are these individuals ? and can you justify the claim that they are known for nothing more than failure. Failure in what context? Their lives? That?s a pretty wide statement to make about anyone ? so I really am curious to hear how you justify this and to whom you refer, since ? I know of no one on this list that is known for nothing more than failure. I know people on this list who are known for chairing pdp?s, who are known for implementing submarine networks, who are known for good work in IPv6 deployment, who are known for training at afnog, hell, I even know of someone known for claiming he would sue God ? but known for nothing more than failure? Nope, can?t quite figure out who you are talking about there Andrew From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" Date: Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 10:30 To: Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC , Andrew Alston Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Dear Community, As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than failure. Let us be vigilante Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the organization will never die!! "AFRINIC en avant" Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM To: Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Thank you Alan, Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base and should contain nothing sensitive. Thanks Andrew From: Alan Barrett Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi Alan, > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? I attach it here. Regards, Alan Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Sat Feb 23 15:53:26 2019 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:53:26 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> <28ACCC04-15CF-4F56-852F-73E2CDC7F38D@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: <3427141B-BF7A-4998-A285-0A8290078901@liquidtelecom.com> Marcus ? Am I in your head? I have no idea ? since I cannot read your mind (nor would I really want to ? who knows what I might find) So ? if you?re gonna make statements like that ? at least have the guts to put names to your accusations and spell them out with details ? because vague insinuations and ad hominem attacks with no evidence are both boring ? invalid ? and a waste of the couple of bytes each email takes in our inboxes Andrew From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" Date: Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 16:39 To: Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC , Andrew Alston Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Hi Andrew, Are you " the destructive elements, credited and known for nothing more than failure"? If YES, which evidence do you want? If NO, what is pinching you? Those obstructing AFRINIC AGMM know themselves from Dakar to Kampala. Those constantly harassing AFRINIC are also known. And those trying to seem relevant are also known. Enjoy your weekend!!! Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:33:09 AM To: Marcus K. G. Adomey; Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Dear Marcus, Rather than unsubstantiated grandiose claims with no evidence to back them up ? can I invite you to get specific ? who are these individuals ? and can you justify the claim that they are known for nothing more than failure. Failure in what context? Their lives? That?s a pretty wide statement to make about anyone ? so I really am curious to hear how you justify this and to whom you refer, since ? I know of no one on this list that is known for nothing more than failure. I know people on this list who are known for chairing pdp?s, who are known for implementing submarine networks, who are known for good work in IPv6 deployment, who are known for training at afnog, hell, I even know of someone known for claiming he would sue God ? but known for nothing more than failure? Nope, can?t quite figure out who you are talking about there Andrew From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" Date: Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 10:30 To: Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC , Andrew Alston Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Dear Community, As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than failure. Let us be vigilante Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the organization will never die!! "AFRINIC en avant" Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM To: Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum Thank you Alan, Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base and should contain nothing sensitive. Thanks Andrew From: Alan Barrett Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi Alan, > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? I attach it here. Regards, Alan Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.macharia at me.com Mon Feb 25 06:46:51 2019 From: barry.macharia at me.com (Barry Macharia) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:46:51 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <3427141B-BF7A-4998-A285-0A8290078901@liquidtelecom.com> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> <28ACCC04-15CF-4F56-852F-73E2CDC7F38D@liquidtelecom.com> <3427141B-BF7A-4998-A285-0A8290078901@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: <433FDCE6-74F1-46B3-9A2F-031D12D9E29C@me.com> Food for thought The day we learn to talk to each other rather at each other we will achieve a lot for this continent and the Organisation at large we can not be doing things the same way year in year out and we expect the organisation to grow Barry > On 23 Feb 2019, at 18:53, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Marcus ? > > Am I in your head? I have no idea ? since I cannot read your mind (nor would I really want to ? who knows what I might find) > > So ? if you?re gonna make statements like that ? at least have the guts to put names to your accusations and spell them out with details ? because vague insinuations and ad hominem attacks with no evidence are both boring ? invalid ? and a waste of the couple of bytes each email takes in our inboxes > > Andrew > > > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" > Date: Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 16:39 > To: Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC , Andrew Alston > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Hi Andrew, > > Are you " the destructive elements, credited and known for nothing more than failure"? > > If YES, which evidence do you want? > If NO, what is pinching you? > > Those obstructing AFRINIC AGMM know themselves from Dakar to Kampala. Those constantly harassing AFRINIC are also known. > > And those trying to seem relevant are also known. > > Enjoy your weekend!!! > > > > Marcus > From: Andrew Alston > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:33:09 AM > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey; Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Dear Marcus, > > Rather than unsubstantiated grandiose claims with no evidence to back them up ? can I invite you to get specific ? who are these individuals ? and can you justify the claim that they are known for nothing more than failure. Failure in what context? Their lives? That?s a pretty wide statement to make about anyone ? so I really am curious to hear how you justify this and to whom you refer, since ? I know of no one on this list that is known for nothing more than failure. > > I know people on this list who are known for chairing pdp?s, who are known for implementing submarine networks, who are known for good work in IPv6 deployment, who are known for training at afnog, hell, I even know of someone known for claiming he would sue God ? but known for nothing more than failure? Nope, can?t quite figure out who you are talking about there > > Andrew > > > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" > Date: Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 10:30 > To: Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC , Andrew Alston > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Dear Community, > > As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . > > These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than failure. > > Let us be vigilante > > Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the organization will never die!! > > "AFRINIC en avant" > > > Marcus > From: Andrew Alston > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM > To: Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Thank you Alan, > > Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base and should contain nothing sensitive. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > From: Alan Barrett > Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > > > > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > > > Hi Alan, > > > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? > > I attach it here. > > Regards, > > Alan Barrett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julesni57 at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:10:00 2019 From: julesni57 at gmail.com (Jules NIZEYIMANA) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:10:00 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <433FDCE6-74F1-46B3-9A2F-031D12D9E29C@me.com> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> <28ACCC04-15CF-4F56-852F-73E2CDC7F38D@liquidtelecom.com> <3427141B-BF7A-4998-A285-0A8290078901@liquidtelecom.com> <433FDCE6-74F1-46B3-9A2F-031D12D9E29C@me.com> Message-ID: Exactly,you're right @Barry On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:47 AM Barry Macharia via Community-Discuss < community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote: > Food for thought > > The day we learn to talk to each other rather at each other > we will achieve a lot for this continent and the Organisation at large > > we can not be doing things the same way year in year out and we expect the > organisation to grow > > > Barry > > > On 23 Feb 2019, at 18:53, Andrew Alston > wrote: > > Marcus ? > > Am I in your head? I have no idea ? since I cannot read your mind (nor > would I really want to ? who knows what I might find) > > So ? if you?re gonna make statements like that ? at least have the guts to > put names to your accusations and spell them out with details ? because > vague insinuations and ad hominem attacks with no evidence are both boring > ? invalid ? and a waste of the couple of bytes each email takes in our > inboxes > > Andrew > > > *From: *"Marcus K. G. Adomey" > *Date: *Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 16:39 > *To: *Alan Barrett , General Discussions of > AFRINIC , Andrew Alston < > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > > Hi Andrew, > > Are you " the destructive elements, credited and known for nothing more > than failure"? > If YES, which evidence do you want? > > If NO, what is pinching you? > > Those obstructing AFRINIC AGMM know themselves from Dakar to Kampala. > Those constantly harassing AFRINIC are also known. > > And those trying to seem relevant are also known. > > Enjoy your weekend!!! > > > Marcus > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Alston > *Sent:* Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:33:09 AM > *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey; Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Dear Marcus, > > Rather than unsubstantiated grandiose claims with no evidence to back them > up ? can I invite you to get specific ? who are these individuals ? and > can you justify the claim that they are known for nothing more than > failure. Failure in what context? Their lives? That?s a pretty wide > statement to make about anyone ? so I really am curious to hear how you > justify this and to whom you refer, since ? I know of no one on this list > that is known for nothing more than failure. > > I know people on this list who are known for chairing pdp?s, who are known > for implementing submarine networks, who are known for good work in IPv6 > deployment, who are known for training at afnog, hell, I even know of > someone known for claiming he would sue God ? but known for nothing more > than failure? Nope, can?t quite figure out who you are talking about there > > Andrew > > > *From: *"Marcus K. G. Adomey" > *Date: *Saturday, 23 February 2019 at 10:30 > *To: *Alan Barrett , General Discussions of > AFRINIC , Andrew Alston < > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > > Dear Community, > > As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have > woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important > members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . > > These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than > failure. > > Let us be vigilante > > Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the > organization will never die!! > > "AFRINIC en avant" > > Marcus > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Alston > *Sent:* Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM > *To:* Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Thank you Alan, > > Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as > well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these > pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the > process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if > you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base > and should contain nothing sensitive. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From: *Alan Barrett > *Date: *Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 > *To: *General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > > > > > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > > > Hi Alan, > > > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court > exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from > motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court > registry. > > > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it > somewhere? > > I attach it here. > > Regards, > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Mon Feb 25 17:18:12 2019 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:18:12 -0800 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: <2AC840DC-D86A-4EFF-BA12-3DDEE6742967@delong.com> I don?t think asking for the letter and pleadings is an unreasonable request. Regardless of what you think of Andrew and his behavior towards AfriNIC (believe me, I have my own criticisms of him which I choose to make in private), his point here is valid. The documents should be a matter of public record and there should be no harm in publishing them here. They are referenced in the decision letter in such a way that without them, it is difficult to properly and fully interpret the decision, so, a review of them by the community is necessary and appropriate oversight. Asking for documents is not, in itself, an attack and should never be perceived as such. Owen > On Feb 22, 2019, at 23:30 , Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > Dear Community, > > As we are getting closer to AFRINIC-2019 AGMM, destructive elements have woken up again and looking for ways and means to derail this important members meeting , knowing the current status of the organisation . > > These destructive elements are credited and known for nothing more than failure. > > Let us be vigilante > > Regardless their persistent attempts to frustrate AfriNIC, the organization will never die!! > > "AFRINIC en avant" > > > > Marcus > From: Andrew Alston > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:12:11 AM > To: Alan Barrett; General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > Thank you Alan, > > Can we ? as the members ? please see the letter submitted to the court as well as the affadavits under which this was obtained ? since these pleadings should also be a matter of public record, and while I am in the process of retrieving these through the court ? it would be far easier if you would share these ? since they are directly relevant to the member base and should contain nothing sensitive. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > From: Alan Barrett > Date: Friday, 22 February 2019 at 20:11 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > > > > On 22 Feb 2019, at 20:10, Sander Steffann wrote: > > > > Hi Alan, > > > >> I can confirm that the judgement from the Mauritius Supreme Court exists. I have in my possession a certified copy of the judgement from motion SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018, which anybody may obtain from the court registry. > > > > Thanks for confirming that. Can you please just scan it and post it somewhere? > > I attach it here. > > Regards, > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sander at steffann.nl Mon Feb 25 18:41:46 2019 From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:41:46 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <2AC840DC-D86A-4EFF-BA12-3DDEE6742967@delong.com> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <32450F9F-E4CE-4AE8-BB47-D5BEBCF59DDD@steffann.nl> <6892941550831701@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <97471E2A-A90E-45BE-89BF-2A91E7796699@afrinic.net> <4B51CEA9-0E5E-49E9-A730-37CEEA917781@liquidtelecom.com> <2AC840DC-D86A-4EFF-BA12-3DDEE6742967@delong.com> Message-ID: <46A24013-08FE-451F-B6CD-E133C61C0BC0@steffann.nl> Hi Owen, > Asking for documents is not, in itself, an attack and should never be perceived as such. Looking at the past is a good way to learn for the future. George Santayana had a good quote about that. Afrinic has ended up in a difficult position after the last AGMM, and it is good when people learn from what caused it and how it was solved, so that similar difficulties can be avoided in the future. All RIRs can learn from this, and I am looking forward to see what we can learn. Cheers, Sander -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From amelnaud at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 12:43:06 2019 From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 12:43:06 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: <47319E84-077C-4104-84CF-F9B4F3D91C5A@nftconsult.com> References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <47319E84-077C-4104-84CF-F9B4F3D91C5A@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Bonjour M. Badru, +10000..... On dit chez nous : "il n'y a pas de plus aveugle, que celui qui ne veut pas voir". Et M. Alston et ses Acolytes semblent ?tre dans cet ?tat de fait. Donc je pense qu'il ne nous servira ? rien de leur faire entendre raison, car ils n'en veulent pas, ils ont leur fa?on de voir, qu'ils veulent imposer ? tous et comme ce sont eux qui savent crier plus que tout le monde, laissons-les continuer ? crier, bon courage ? eux. Chers membres de la communaut? vous comprendrez que ces messieurs-l? ont un plan, qui semble se dessiner, d?truire AFRINIC par tous les moyens. Mais ils n'y arriveront pas. Nos anc?tres veillent aux grains. Cordialement. Arnaud. Le ven. 22 f?vr. 2019 ? 13:39, Badru Ntege a ?crit : > @Andrew > > > > Let me ask a simple question > > > > Have you failed to access the public document from the Mauritian courts ?? > > > > I would suggest since the reference has been given its easier for you to > access the documents less they share it here and you still think that they > might have doctored it since you have been very clear and public that you > do not trust anything they do. > > > > I actually think it?s more transparent for Afrinic to refer members to a > public document than try to share it here. > > > > We should all be working to positively impact our organization as opposed > to breaking it down at every opportunity we get. > > > > Regards > > > > BN > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Andrew Alston > *Date: *Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:57 PM > *To: *Dabu Sifiso , Sander Steffann < > sander at steffann.nl> > *Cc: *General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum > > > > SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018 > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnoulaye at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 17:58:08 2019 From: jnoulaye at gmail.com (Janvier NGNOULAYE) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:58:08 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum In-Reply-To: References: <17538051550679722@myt5-02b80404fd9e.qloud-c.yandex.net> <47319E84-077C-4104-84CF-F9B4F3D91C5A@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Dear All, The good faith would like each of us member of this community to applauds the Board who managed to get the document of the judge who legalizes the next AGMM. Let's not forget that Afrinic has a Legal Counsel among the staff who knows and understands Laws of the country. Sometimes his presence or his daily work escapes us and each of us is trying wrongly to do the work of the Legal Counsel. I recommand each of us each time to trust the management team that we put in place. Evidently neither he nor the community wants the fall of Afrinic. I guess that we all work for the good of Afrinic. Now if there are individuals in the shadows, whom I doubtless do not know, who have hidden agendas about Afrinic's life, then that will never prosper. So, let's congratulation the Board and Staff for obtaining the document of the judge which authorizes and legalizes the next AGMM. In other words, when it's good to congratulate, let's congratulate with all the joy of the heart. Warm regards /Janvier Ngnoulaye. Former Board member. Le mar. 26 f?vr. 2019 ? 13:45, Arnaud AMELINA a ?crit : > Bonjour M. Badru, +10000..... > > On dit chez nous : "il n'y a pas de plus aveugle, que celui qui ne veut > pas voir". Et M. Alston et ses Acolytes semblent ?tre dans cet ?tat de > fait. Donc je pense qu'il ne nous servira ? rien de leur faire entendre > raison, car ils n'en veulent pas, ils ont leur fa?on de voir, qu'ils > veulent imposer ? tous et comme ce sont eux qui savent crier plus que tout > le monde, laissons-les continuer ? crier, bon courage ? eux. > > Chers membres de la communaut? vous comprendrez que ces messieurs-l? ont > un plan, qui semble se dessiner, d?truire AFRINIC par tous les moyens. Mais > ils n'y arriveront pas. Nos anc?tres veillent aux grains. > > Cordialement. > > Arnaud. > > Le ven. 22 f?vr. 2019 ? 13:39, Badru Ntege a > ?crit : > >> @Andrew >> >> >> >> Let me ask a simple question >> >> >> >> Have you failed to access the public document from the Mauritian courts ?? >> >> >> >> I would suggest since the reference has been given its easier for you to >> access the documents less they share it here and you still think that they >> might have doctored it since you have been very clear and public that you >> do not trust anything they do. >> >> >> >> I actually think it?s more transparent for Afrinic to refer members to a >> public document than try to share it here. >> >> >> >> We should all be working to positively impact our organization as opposed >> to breaking it down at every opportunity we get. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> BN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Andrew Alston >> *Date: *Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:57 PM >> *To: *Dabu Sifiso , Sander Steffann < >> sander at steffann.nl> >> *Cc: *General Discussions of AFRINIC >> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC 2019 AGMM quorum >> >> >> >> SC/COM/MOT/01411/2018 >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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