[Community-Discuss] Spearheading Internet Development in Africa / Late commentary on fee discussion

Matogoro Jabera jaberamatogoro at gmail.com
Thu Oct 4 11:14:56 UTC 2018

Dear Douglas and Community,

It is good that you have set the exams and then you sat for the same exam
during assessment. The negative factors were constructed by you and you
have you used them to weigh it against positive one.

The submitted proposal give the community another approach to approach for
the community to think of. In fact, community network existence long way
back but did not received much attention as of todate. It is a feasible
bottom-up approach to connect the remain billion plus to access Internet.

I would appreciate if we can have an opportunity to discuss further and
develop an alternative approach that we favour them. @Coenaraad from
Zenzeleni has initiated the discussion and would appreciate if we discuss
it further and find out how it can be accommodated within the current
AFRINIC structure.

I support the idea and I am positive with this new approach to connect the
remaining unconnected.

Assistant Lecturer
College of Informatics and Virtual Education
The University of Dodoma
P.O Box 490,
Website: www.udom.ac.tz
*IEEE Membership ID: 93934185*

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 12:17 PM Douglas Onyango <ondouglas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Coenraad,
> I admire your interest in bringing more ISPs on board, however, I have
> a serious problem with your proposal to use financials to classify
> members.
> First, I think it places AFRINIC in a rather precarious situation.
> Several members already have a problem with AFRINIC probing their
> network design. How do you think they will receive probes on their
> financials?
> Second, this proposal places a direct financial burden on AFRINIC to
> extend the assessment to financials. I suspect that to do this,
> AFRINIC would have to either hire a fulltime resource with expertise
> in accounting/finance or outsource to some other finance authority.
> The total cost of implementing either one of these interventions will
> most likely exceed the anticipated $100k you think AFRINIC will make
> in the long term.
> Third, some organizations, especially small one like the ones you wish
> to represent, might not have audited financials – In fact some of them
> may not even be incorporated. To ask them for audited financials would
> be to inadvertently exclude them from being eligible for allocations.
> The negative consequences of your proposal seem to outweigh the positives
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 13:30, Coenraad Loubser <coenraad at zenzeleni.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear AfriNIC community
> >
> > According to the ITU (2017) Africa has 739 million individuals without
> access to internet infrastructure.
> >
> > We write to you representing 70 individual community networks from 30
> African countries, most whom are not yet AfriNIC members, but who each have
> part of the solution to making available access to these areas where there
> is very little formal economic activity and where no alternative options
> exist, and where the internet can play a vital enabling role.
> >
> > This letter has been under discussion during the past 4 months, and has
> been the subject of almost 100 messages on external community networks
> forums.
> >
> > There is a class of Internet Service Provider that is not recognized by
> AfriNIC. In order to allow us to draw in their resources to help building
> out the invaluable resource that is the internet, as part of the AfriNIC
> community, we would like to discuss a mutually beneficial proposal that
> will play a huge role in setting up the next generation of ISPs in Africa -
> and promote an excellent platform for ISP- and IPv6 training.
> >
> > We first contemplated proposing a definition for a Community Network or
> Non-Profit ISP, but having also worked with many small and competent ISPs,
> we recognize their challenges and the benefits that having them in this
> community can bring.
> >
> > We would therefore like to propose, in line with simplest change
> possible, the following additional amendment to the fee schedule that has
> been under discussion:
> >
> > 3.6.5 An entity with annual revenues less than USD 350 000 that is
> required to register as an LIR, such as a Wireless User Group, Community
> Network or ISP will qualify for an additional discount of 40%.
> >
> > Basic modelling shows that this can potentially require AfriNIC to give
> up up to $40k annually, but could yield a surplus in excess of $100k
> annually after a few years as these networks mature.
> >
> > Alternately, a profit based model, which has not been explored as
> thoroughly:
> >
> > 3.6.5 An entity with annual profits of less than USD 100 000 that is
> required to register as an LIR, such as a Wireless User Group, Community
> Network or ISP, will qualify for a discount of 75%.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --
> > Coenraad Loubser
> > Co Authored by Dr. Carlos Rey-Moreno
> >
> > Office: +27 (0)43 555 2028
> > Mobile: +27 (0) 73 772 1223
> > Skype: coenraad_loubser Twitter: @dagelf
> >
> > Zenzeleni Networks NPC zenzeleni.net
> > - Best Innovation with Social Impact Award winner, Innovation Bridge 2017
> > - Community Favorite, Mozilla Equal Rating Innovation Challenge 2017
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTPSWMX26M
> >
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