From funga.roho at yandex.com Mon Mar 5 16:33:22 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:33:22 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict Message-ID: <479641520267602@web5o.yandex.ru> Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. AFRINIC CEO, Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. --? KANGAMUTIMA? ZABIKA Contr?leur des douanes Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et Accises DRC From d.olajide72 at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 17:35:18 2018 From: d.olajide72 at gmail.com (damola olajide) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 21:35:18 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for departures of staffs in the report. For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his report, today this job opening would be justifiable. regards -- Damola Olajide Network & Security Engineer Lagos, Nigeria On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide wrote: > Hello, > > According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23- > Slides/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from > 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. > > The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page > 11 of the PDF. > > I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website > since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till > today. > > From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration > department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its > efficiency as there are no reports available recently. > > Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 on > the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a > diligent assessment of the situation ! > > > Regards, > > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > -- Damola Olajide Network & Security Engineer Lagos, Nigeria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 8 08:22:48 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 08:22:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board In-Reply-To: <1135025330.4000.1518637502992.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <1135025330.4000.1518637502992.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <38581188.165985.1520497368878.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Member, Please be reminded that the call for nominations into the AFRINIC Board will be colsed on the 15th of March 2018. Best Regards, NomCom 2018 ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Member, > NomCom2018 is pleased to announce that the AFRINIC Board Nomination process is open for the following seats: > > Seat 5 (Southern Africa), currently held by Lucky Masilela; > Seat 6 (Eastern Africa), currently held by Abibu Rashid Ntahigiye > > We are pleased to invite nominations for candidates to fill the above seats to serve three-year term starting from BOD?s election-day in the Annual General Members? Meeting in 2018 till BOD?s election-day in the Annual General Members? Meeting in 2021. > Any suitable natural person residing in one of the above regions can be nominated (for that sub-region) provided they comply with the requirements in Section 13 of the AFRINIC by-laws. > > A nominee shall: > ?Be nominated by one (1) AFRINIC member in good standing and Seconder by one(1) AFRINIC member in good standing or be formally endorsed by at least two (2) AFRINIC members in good standing (i.e. they must not have unpaid fees) in case of self-nomination. A member can nominate no more than one candidate and can second any number of candidate. > ?Have participated in at least two (2) AFRINIC events (physically or online) in the past three (3) years; > ?Have at least five (5) years professional experience in an area relevant to AFRINIC activities, such as Internet Resource Management, ICT, policy development, finance, audit or HR management; > ?Be available and committed to participate in Board meetings and other AFRINIC activities (face-to-face and online). > > Kindly note the following as stipulated in Section 13.10 of the AFRINIC bylaws: > > No person shall be appointed or hold office as a Director if he is a person who: > (i) is under 18 years of age; > (ii) is an undischarged bankrupt; > (iii) would, but for the repeal of Section 117 of the Companies Act 1984 of Mauritius, be prohibited from being a Director or promoter of, or being concerned or taking part in the management of, a company within the meaning of that Act; > (iv) is prohibited from being a director or promoter of or being concerned or taking part in the management of a company under Sections 337 or 338 of the Act; > (v) is not a natural person; or > (vi) has been adjudged to have been of unsound mind > > To nominate yourself or a person of your choice, please complete the nomination form available at https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/board-nomination-2018 > > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC. > > Note: It is expected that candidates should be able to attend AFRINIC-28 in person on the Day of Election (10 May 2018) where they will be afforded an opportunity to introduce themselves and make a short presentation to the community during the Annual General Members Meeting. The meeting will take place in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018 > For more information on the election process, please browse https://afrinic.net/en/community/elections/bod-election/process > > > > Dr. Wale Adedokun > On behalf of NomCom 2018 > > > > > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 8 08:23:55 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 08:23:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee: In-Reply-To: <128817703.4066.1518639222661.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <128817703.4066.1518639222661.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <1839030085.166025.1520497435611.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Member, Please be reminded that the call for nominations into the AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee will be closed on the 15th of March 2018. Best Regards, NomCom 2018 ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Community Member, > > The AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee is a standing committee to adjudicate on appeals in terms of the Conflict Resolution section of the AFRINIC Policy Development Process (PDP). Any such appeal will involve a disagreement regarding the actions taken by the Chair(s) of the Policy Development Working Group (PDWG). > > NomCom is hereby calling for nominations from the community for three (3) (seats 3, 4, and 5) Appeal Committee positions up for election. NomCom would like to receive Nominations from all of the AFRINIC sub-regions and are explicitly looking for both Gender and Language diversity although a working understanding of the English language would be highly beneficial. > > The PDAC Charter is available at: https://afrinic.net/images/AFRINIC_Policy_Development_Appeal_Committee.v2.20171126.pdf > > Eligibility > ?Be a member of the AFRINIC policy development working group. > ?Must demonstrate to have participated in policy discussions on the rpd list or during the AFRINIC public policy meeting. > ?Such participation above shall be those made earlier than 6 months from the date of call for nomination. > ?All nominations (including self-nominations) must be supported by a minimum of two AFRINIC community members; the two individuals must not work for the same organization. AFRINIC staff can neither nominate candidates nor support them. > ?A person may only nominate one candidate - and, in case of multiple nominations by the same person, only the last nomination will be considered valid. > ?None of the nominated persons may be an AFRINIC Director, or an AFRINIC staff. > To nominate yourself or a candidate of your choice, please complete the nomination form at: https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/appeal-committee-nomination-2018 > Deadline for Nominations > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC. > > Please note that the election will take place during the AFRINIC-28 Annual General Members Meeting in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018 > > NomCom 2018 > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 8 08:25:45 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 08:25:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group In-Reply-To: <770617292.4059.1518639094791.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <770617292.4059.1518639094791.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <1122630130.166028.1520497545447.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community Member, Please be reminded that the call for nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group will close on the 15th of March 2018. Thanks you. best regards NomCom 2018 ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Community Member, > > The AFRINIC NomCom2018 is pleased to invite nominations for 1 Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) for a 2-year term, starting from the Public Policy Meeting in AFRINIC-28 to the Public Policy Meeting in AFRINIC-32. The Seat is currently held by Sami Salih. > > PDWG co-chairs are volunteers selected by the community as provided for in the current Policy Development Process (PDP). Their responsibilities are as follows: > ?Creating reports (summaries) of mailing list discussions in preparation for face to face meetings. > ?Chairing the meeting sessions and declaring consensus. > ?Creating post-meeting policy report and posting to the mailing list. > ?Sending notifications of Last Call and evaluating consensus or not thereof. > ?Writing report to the board to recommend ratification of policy proposals that gained consensus. > ?Evaluating emergencies that necessitate varying the normal policy development process. > > Eligibility > Open to individuals residing within the AFRINIC service region. All nominations (including self-nominations) shall be supported by a minimum of two AFRINIC community members; the two individuals must not work for the same organization. > > A person may only nominate one candidate - and, in case of multiple nominations by the same person, only the last nomination will be considered valid. AFRINIC or other RIR staff can neither nominate candidates nor be nominated. > > Nominating Procedure > Nominations must be submitted using this nomination form at: https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/pdwg-nomination-2018 > > Please browse to the pages below for more information about the PDWG and related material: > > The AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group: > https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg > AFRINIC PDWG Co-chair Election Process: > http://afrinic.net/fr/community/elections/pdwg-election > > Deadline for Nominations > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC > > Please note that the election will take place during the AFRINIC-28. The meeting will take place in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018. An eligible voter shall be any non-AFRINIC staff who has registered to attend (and is present at) the AFRINIC-28 meeting. A registration badge shall be requested as proof. > > NomCom 2018 > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 8 08:27:28 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 08:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members In-Reply-To: <299929917.4054.1518638786019.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <299929917.4054.1518638786019.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <2114327394.166036.1520497648305.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community, Please be reminded that the call for nominations into the AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) will close on the 15th of March 2018. Thank you. best regards, NomCom 2018 ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Community, > The AFRINIC Governance Committee is a standing committee whose purpose is to advise the AFRINIC Board, AFRINIC Membership, and the community, on matters of governance. > NomCom is hereby calling for nominations from the community for one Governance Committee position up for election, to serve a three-year term from January 2019 to December 2021. The seat is currently held by Wafa Dahmani. > NomCom would like to receive Nominations from all of the AFRINIC sub-regions and are explicitly looking for both Gender and Language diversity although a working understanding of the English language would be highly beneficial. > > The GC Charter is available at https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee > > The nomination and election process is available at https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee/1889-election-and-nomination-process > > Nomination Requirements: > > ? GC members shall be resident in the AFRINIC service region. > ? None of the elected members may be an AFRINIC Director, or an AFRINIC employee. > ? A valid nomination must originate from or be submitted by an authorized and registered contact person of the nominating member organization. The nomination must also be seconded/endorsed by at least one additional AFRINIC member, different from the nominating member organization. Nominators and seconders/endorsers must all be AFRINIC members in good standing (i.e. they must not have unpaid fees). > ? Self-nominations are permitted and must be endorsed by 2 distinct AFRINIC members in good standing. > > To nominate yourself or a candidate of your choice, please complete the nomination form at: https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/govcom-nomination-2018 > > Deadline for Nominations > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC. > > Please note that the election will take place during the AFRINIC-28 Annual General Members Meeting in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018 > > NomCom 2018 > > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng From kaweshesichali at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 12:48:21 2018 From: kaweshesichali at gmail.com (kaweshe sichali) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:48:21 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 Message-ID: Damola and wide community, a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members too be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who seat on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the organization. sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and witchhunt by members of board. some board member make advanced to women staff. sunday folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. ceo overtaken by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run organisation. even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do work afrinic projects conflict of interest. investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman and member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will harass and frustrate female employees. stay tuned kaweshe PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide wrote: > Hello > > I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/ima > ges/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. > There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for departures > of staffs in the report. > For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as > advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. > If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his > report, today this job opening would be justifiable. > > regards > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23-Slide >> s/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from 2010 >> to 2015 with a spike in 2014. >> >> The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page >> 11 of the PDF. >> >> I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website >> since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till >> today. >> >> From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration >> department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its >> efficiency as there are no reports available recently. >> >> Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 >> on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a >> diligent assessment of the situation ! >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Damola Olajide >> Network & Security Engineer >> Lagos, Nigeria >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do believe (and its just an opinion) that they warrant an investigation ? and I honestly believe that said investigation to have _any_ credibility would have to be done entirely externally by a non-biased third party. Thirdly ? I would argue that the outcome of said investigation, while in normal situations in a normal corporate, would be dealt with internally, in this case should be published ? in entirety. The only reason I argue this is that, as members with allegations such as these being made that impact the reputation of _our_ organisation, I think this community has a right to answers. Forth ? The board has several choices to make here in my opinion 1. Ignore it and say nothing ? I do not believe that is an option at this point ? section 3.4.vii of the AfriNIC bylaws states: To disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members and to provide for and be a central channel of communication for the members of the Company and generally for the furtherance and promotion of their interests * In the case above, I would argue that that an issue such as the one raised is very definitely a matter that could have material effect on the company, particularly in light of the fact that the individual seemingly making these allegations states they are asking for compensation ? which would presumably be financial 2. Conduct a full investigation using an entirely external third party and resolve the matter ? I would argue as I have above that in the interests of the transparency which we aspire to, such a report should be public 3. Considering these allegations have now been made public ? there is the option of testing them in a court of law and potentially suing for defamation (I?m not saying this is a good idea and I have no idea the legal implications of it) 4. The affected individuals could resign and call it a day ? though for me personally ? the only time that option would be acceptable would be in the case of the allegations being proven rather than exactly what they are right now ? unproven allegations But I will say ? without an investigation and a proper report with proper findings conducted by an external party ? I think it would be deeply premature of this community to judge in the absence of far stronger evidence than one document that is comprised of third hand information and allegations. I also however believe that the board has a duty to the members and this community to respond in the face of allegations which could have material effect on the company. Let us see what comes from an investigation ? then let us judge ? and again ? let me be crystal clear- I am making no assumptions in saying this ? and I am not defending any party or casting any blame. Andrew From: kaweshe sichali [mailto:kaweshesichali at gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2018 15:48 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 Damola and wide community, a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members too be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who seat on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the organization. sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and witchhunt by members of board. some board member make advanced to women staff. sunday folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. ceo overtaken by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run organisation. even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do work afrinic projects conflict of interest. investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman and member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will harass and frustrate female employees. stay tuned kaweshe PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide > wrote: Hello I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for departures of staffs in the report. For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his report, today this job opening would be justifiable. regards -- Damola Olajide Network & Security Engineer Lagos, Nigeria On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide > wrote: Hello, According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23-Slides/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page 11 of the PDF. I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till today. From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its efficiency as there are no reports available recently. Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a diligent assessment of the situation ! Regards, -- Damola Olajide Network & Security Engineer Lagos, Nigeria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Tue Mar 13 16:30:46 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:30:46 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> Dear AFRINIC community, AFRINIC has received a complaint containing several allegations. It is a matter of concern, which will be investigated forthwith. A further communication will be addressed to the community in due course. Regards, Alan Barrett CEO, AFRINIC From ali at hussein.me.ke Tue Mar 13 16:39:38 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:39:38 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 Message-ID: These are very serious allegations. Whatever the outcome the potential damage to the organisation and the community is real. There are no winners here. I urge the Board to act with haste to mitigate this risk. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:48 PM, kaweshe sichali wrote: > Damola and wide community, > > a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members too > be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who seat > on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the organization. > sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and witchhunt by > members of board. some board member make advanced to women staff. sunday > folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. ceo overtaken > by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run organisation. > even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do work afrinic > projects conflict of interest. > > investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman and > member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will > harass and frustrate female employees. > > stay tuned > kaweshe > > PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/ima >> ges/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. >> There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for >> departures of staffs in the report. >> For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as >> advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. >> If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his >> report, today this job opening would be justifiable. >> >> regards >> -- >> Damola Olajide >> Network & Security Engineer >> Lagos, Nigeria >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23-Slide >>> s/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from >>> 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. >>> >>> The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page >>> 11 of the PDF. >>> >>> I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website >>> since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till >>> today. >>> >>> From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration >>> department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its >>> efficiency as there are no reports available recently. >>> >>> Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 >>> on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a >>> diligent assessment of the situation ! >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Damola Olajide >>> Network & Security Engineer >>> Lagos, Nigeria >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Tue Mar 13 16:58:01 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:58:01 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Allan With all due respect we are pained by the allegations. They are pointed at the board more than at the organisation so I would rather the board handles this response. We need to distance our organization at this stage so let?s please leave response to board. Unless you Are responding as board due to your dual role but in this instance I would advise please wear the staff hat. Regards Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 19:33, Alan Barrett wrote: > > Dear AFRINIC community, > > AFRINIC has received a complaint containing several allegations. It is a matter of concern, which will be investigated forthwith. A further communication will be addressed to the community in due course. > > Regards, > > Alan Barrett > CEO, AFRINIC > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Tue Mar 13 17:01:30 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:01:30 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> Dear Badru, My response was from me as CEO. Alan Barrett From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Tue Mar 13 17:20:08 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:20:08 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> , <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> Thanks I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: > > Dear Badru, > > My response was from me as CEO. > > Alan Barrett > From dndannang at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 17:21:46 2018 From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:21:46 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege wrote: > Thanks > > I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO > should wait for board. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > > Dear Badru, > > > > My response was from me as CEO. > > > > Alan Barrett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) Skype: daniel.nanghaka ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * ----------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evelyngeek at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 17:31:52 2018 From: evelyngeek at gmail.com (Evelyn Namara) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:31:52 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Dear all, As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations. Kind Regards, On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical > review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> Thanks >> >> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >> should wait for board. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Badru, >> > >> > My response was from me as CEO. >> > >> > Alan Barrett >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - > ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 <+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Evelyn Namara Phone: +256754440893 Skype: enamara Twitter: enamara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not trying to defend anyone, or dig a hole for any other, but I hope the community won't let itself dive into a public lynching session, and wait for an official conclusion, from the concerned staff (Board and CEO). -- Cordialement, Adnan RIHAN GPG: 5675-62BA (https://keybase.io/max13/key.asc) ? If you are not using GPG/PGP but want to send me an encrypted e-mail: https://encrypt.to/0x567562BA. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > >> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege wrote: >> Thanks >> >> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: >> > >> > Dear Badru, >> > >> > My response was from me as CEO. >> > >> > Alan Barrett >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From silber.mike at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 17:38:10 2018 From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:38:10 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <5DE3966F-3B72-40D3-AE04-CFCCF74E5385@gmail.com> Colleagues As indicated, these are serious allegations. I would encourage the community to not leap to conclusions prematurely. If you have lost your faith in the board then vote for different candidates at the next election. I have not lost my trust in the board, but will need to be assured soon that a credible process is being followed. We have a governance committee, we have a legal advisor, we have several board members who are untainted by the allegations. Let the board propose a process and we can comment (or let the board approach the community or parts of the community for input prior to their proposal). When I say soon, I would suggest a few days for reflection is appropriate and I would suggest that end of day Friday (or first thing on Monday morning) would be reasonable for us to expect a detailed response on next steps. Obviously sooner would be appreciated. Mike > On 13 Mar 2018, at 13:21, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > Thanks > > I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > > > Dear Badru, > > > > My response was from me as CEO. > > > > Alan Barrett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ali at hussein.me.ke Tue Mar 13 17:49:19 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:49:19 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <5DE3966F-3B72-40D3-AE04-CFCCF74E5385@gmail.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <5DE3966F-3B72-40D3-AE04-CFCCF74E5385@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike I completely agree. On the other hand there?s the wider public. This must be managed prudently, wisely and with urgency. In cases like this there are clear guidelines and best practices to follow. Some suggestions below:- 1. Issue a press release urgently stating the facts and assuring the accuser(s) and the public at large that action is being taken and to urge patience. 2. Quickly (in the next two days max) constitute an internal team (NomComm?) that will have the mandate to appoint an independent third party to handle the issue. 3. A clear TOR and timeline for the investigating team. 4. Findings to be made public and recommended action. This or a variation of this could work well to appease the community and other stakeholders. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:38 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > > Colleagues > > As indicated, these are serious allegations. > > I would encourage the community to not leap to conclusions prematurely. > > If you have lost your faith in the board then vote for different candidates at the next election. > > I have not lost my trust in the board, but will need to be assured soon that a credible process is being followed. > > We have a governance committee, we have a legal advisor, we have several board members who are untainted by the allegations. > > Let the board propose a process and we can comment (or let the board approach the community or parts of the community for input prior to their proposal). > > When I say soon, I would suggest a few days for reflection is appropriate and I would suggest that end of day Friday (or first thing on Monday morning) would be reasonable for us to expect a detailed response on next steps. > > Obviously sooner would be appreciated. > > Mike > > >> On 13 Mar 2018, at 13:21, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >> >> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >> >> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >> >>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege wrote: >>> Thanks >>> >>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Badru, >>> > >>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>> > >>> > Alan Barrett >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Nanghaka Daniel K. >> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dndannang at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 17:56:11 2018 From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:56:11 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <5DE3966F-3B72-40D3-AE04-CFCCF74E5385@gmail.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <5DE3966F-3B72-40D3-AE04-CFCCF74E5385@gmail.com> Message-ID: AFRINIC is powered by the community. The allegations where made to the community. The board comes from the community. Lets not underestimate the power of the community. This being a community mailing list, lets respect the fact that Alan has reacted in his capacity as the CEO. Even I myself as a CEO of ILICIT Africa, I am accountable on behalf of the my organisation. The matter in question violates the rights of a woman and is a clear situation of Woman or Gender exploitation in a corporate organisation. If the issue is the board, lets go back and review the operation procedures of the board, those that are involved in the matter in question resign, if the issue is from CEO and Staff then the same should happen CEO must resign. We cannot take sides on any issues that involved the running and protection of the integrity of the organisation but have a critical and clear investigation into the matter. The team and its operation in the matter must be supported through this trying moment and this is where the strength and the credibility of the Community, Staff and Board is put on trial. I look forward to seeing a clean AFRINIC. Lets respect the roles of Board and Staff and support CEO in this trying moment. ? On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > Colleagues > > As indicated, these are serious allegations. > > I would encourage the community to not leap to conclusions prematurely. > > If you have lost your faith in the board then vote for different > candidates at the next election. > > I have not lost my trust in the board, but will need to be assured soon > that a credible process is being followed. > > We have a governance committee, we have a legal advisor, we have several > board members who are untainted by the allegations. > > Let the board propose a process and we can comment (or let the board > approach the community or parts of the community for input prior to their > proposal). > > When I say soon, I would suggest a few days for reflection is appropriate > and I would suggest that end of day Friday (or first thing on Monday > morning) would be reasonable for us to expect a detailed response on next > steps. > > Obviously sooner would be appreciated. > > Mike > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 13:21, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical > review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> Thanks >> >> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >> should wait for board. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Badru, >> > >> > My response was from me as CEO. >> > >> > Alan Barrett >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - > ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * > ----------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein > wrote: @Badru Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: Thanks I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > Dear Badru, > > My response was from me as CEO. > > Alan Barrett > _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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Owen > On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: > > Dear all, > > As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. > > Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. > > That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations. > > Kind Regards, > > > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >> >> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >> >> >>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege wrote: >>> Thanks >>> >>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Badru, >>> > >>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>> > >>> > Alan Barrett >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Nanghaka Daniel K. >> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > > -- > Evelyn Namara > > Phone: +256754440893 > Skype: enamara > Twitter: enamara > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dndannang at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 18:00:27 2018 From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:00:27 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: I agree with Badru and I call upon the community to protect CEO and his team. The board is not the face of AFRINIC, CEO Is the face of AFRINIC. The Board can always be voted and created. The Community should not be neglected. ? On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: > @Ali > > This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our > elected Board. > > Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. > > If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s > what accountability is about. > > Our organization must be protected above any individuals. > > Deep down I hope these are just allegations. > > Maybe governance committee should comment. > > But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way > forward. > > Regards > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: > > @Badru > > Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The > Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast > aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the > organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the > organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the > organization?s mandate and good name. > > At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. > > Regards > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical > review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> Thanks >> >> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >> should wait for board. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Badru, >> > >> > My response was from me as CEO. >> > >> > Alan Barrett >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - > ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * > ----------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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URL: From ali at hussein.me.ke Tue Mar 13 18:02:02 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:02:02 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> @Badru I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement. There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: > > @Ali > > This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board. > > Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. > > If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about. > > Our organization must be protected above any individuals. > > Deep down I hope these are just allegations. > > Maybe governance committee should comment. > > But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. > > Regards > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: > >> @Badru >> >> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. >> >> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >> >> Regards >> >> Ali Hussein >> Principal >> Hussein & Associates >> +254 0713 601113 >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> Skype: abu-jomo >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >> >>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >>> >>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >>> >>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege wrote: >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Dear Badru, >>>> > >>>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>>> > >>>> > Alan Barrett >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards >>> Nanghaka Daniel K. >>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >>> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dndannang at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 18:06:22 2018 From: dndannang at gmail.com (DANIEL NANGHAKA) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> Message-ID: There cannot be smoke without fire. ? On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein wrote: > @Badru > > I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He > issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be > fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a > Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that > Committee must issue a statement. > > There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate > Governance environment. > > Regards > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > > @Ali > > This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our > elected Board. > > Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. > > If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s > what accountability is about. > > Our organization must be protected above any individuals. > > Deep down I hope these are just allegations. > > Maybe governance committee should comment. > > But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way > forward. > > Regards > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: > > @Badru > > Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The > Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast > aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the > organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the > organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the > organization?s mandate and good name. > > At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. > > Regards > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical > review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> Thanks >> >> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >> should wait for board. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Badru, >> > >> > My response was from me as CEO. >> > >> > Alan Barrett >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - > ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * > ----------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Tue Mar 13 18:58:34 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <5DE3966F-3B72-40D3-AE04-CFCCF74E5385@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27EAD21D-E4F8-477A-ADB4-AFAD7AF9C6E6@nftconsult.com> Governance committee and COE could not nomcom Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:51, Ali Hussein > wrote: Mike I completely agree. On the other hand there?s the wider public. This must be managed prudently, wisely and with urgency. In cases like this there are clear guidelines and best practices to follow. Some suggestions below:- 1. Issue a press release urgently stating the facts and assuring the accuser(s) and the public at large that action is being taken and to urge patience. 2. Quickly (in the next two days max) constitute an internal team (NomComm?) that will have the mandate to appoint an independent third party to handle the issue. 3. A clear TOR and timeline for the investigating team. 4. Findings to be made public and recommended action. This or a variation of this could work well to appease the community and other stakeholders. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:38 PM, Mike Silber > wrote: Colleagues As indicated, these are serious allegations. I would encourage the community to not leap to conclusions prematurely. If you have lost your faith in the board then vote for different candidates at the next election. I have not lost my trust in the board, but will need to be assured soon that a credible process is being followed. We have a governance committee, we have a legal advisor, we have several board members who are untainted by the allegations. Let the board propose a process and we can comment (or let the board approach the community or parts of the community for input prior to their proposal). When I say soon, I would suggest a few days for reflection is appropriate and I would suggest that end of day Friday (or first thing on Monday morning) would be reasonable for us to expect a detailed response on next steps. Obviously sooner would be appreciated. Mike On 13 Mar 2018, at 13:21, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: Thanks I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > Dear Badru, > > My response was from me as CEO. > > Alan Barrett > _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Tue Mar 13 19:45:39 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:45:39 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <66C656A3-16B8-40A2-A460-91A2E49E72B7@delong.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> , <66C656A3-16B8-40A2-A460-91A2E49E72B7@delong.com> Message-ID: @owen Yes what we have is allegations and insinuations. But they are pretty grave allegations that need to be treated delicately. none of us can comment on the content but we are asking for the head of the house to assure us that the smoke is being investigated. Prolonged silence is bad since it allows our minds to wonder. We need our leaders to come out and take leadership of this issue. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:07, Owen DeLong > wrote: While I agree such allegations must be taken seriously and a proper investigation should be conducted, I must say that the texts and other data in the original email contain nothing to substantiate the allegations, but rather appear to be an entirely professional attempt to address a legitimate HR issue. I?m not saying this is necessarily the case. There may be evidence elsewhere. But what was delivered to the community is not evidence and should not be treated as such. Owen On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:31, Evelyn Namara > wrote: Dear all, As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations. Kind Regards, On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: Thanks I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > Dear Badru, > > My response was from me as CEO. > > Alan Barrett > _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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URL: From lmasilela at registry.net.za Tue Mar 13 18:55:47 2018 From: lmasilela at registry.net.za (Lucky Masilela) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:55:47 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 References: Message-ID: <692BE219-F060-4A52-A1A5-E792169812B6@registry.net.za> Dear Kawashe, AFRINIC Community Kindly note that the board is in receipt of a similar document (complaint) from Ms V. Thuron and will look into this matter accordingly. Regards, Lucky Masilela Chairperson REMCO on behalf of the board > > > > From: kaweshe sichali > > Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 7:50 AM > Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 > To: > > > > Damola and wide community, > > a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members too be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who seat on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the organization. sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and witchhunt by members of board. some board member make advanced to women staff. sunday folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. ceo overtaken by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run organisation. even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do work afrinic projects conflict of interest. > > investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman and member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will harass and frustrate female employees. > > stay tuned > kaweshe > > PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > Hello > > I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf . > There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for departures of staffs in the report. > For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career . > If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his report, today this job opening would be justifiable. > > regards > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > Hello, > > According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23-Slides/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf , there have been a fall in the turnover from 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. > > The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page 11 of the PDF. > > I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till today. > > From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its efficiency as there are no reports available recently. > > Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a diligent assessment of the situation ! > > > Regards, > > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition we expect that there is no retaliation, reprisal, harassment, intimidation, threats, coercion or discrimination against staff and employees exercising protected employment right. AfriNIC is in our prayers. Good Luck. Best Regards. Jean-Robert HOUNTOMEY. On 3/13/18 12:01 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: > Dear Badru, > > My response was from me as CEO. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Tue Mar 13 20:47:13 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:47:13 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 In-Reply-To: <692BE219-F060-4A52-A1A5-E792169812B6@registry.net.za> References: , <692BE219-F060-4A52-A1A5-E792169812B6@registry.net.za> Message-ID: <7BC1FABD-D3FC-4BF4-A7DD-B5799E9A462E@nftconsult.com> @Lucky Thanks for the re-assurance. As the matter has become public can we please escalate as quick closure will help us. Let?s assume the board will give us an official position on any actions in the next few days as has been suggested by others in this thread. We are sure that we still have some Good people in the board so waiting for the leadership the community vested in the nine members. Regards Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 22:07, Lucky Masilela wrote: > > Dear Kawashe, AFRINIC Community > > Kindly note that the board is in receipt of a similar document (complaint) from Ms V. Thuron and will look into this matter accordingly. > > Regards, > > Lucky Masilela > > Chairperson REMCO on behalf of the board > > > > > > > From: kaweshe sichali > > Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 7:50 AM > Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 > To: > > > > Damola and wide community, > > a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members too be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who seat on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the organization. sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and witchhunt by members of board. some board member make advanced to women staff. sunday folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. ceo overtaken by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run organisation. even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do work afrinic projects conflict of interest. > > investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman and member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will harass and frustrate female employees. > > stay tuned > kaweshe > > PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > Hello > > I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. > There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for departures of staffs in the report. > For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. > If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his report, today this job opening would be justifiable. > > regards > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > Hello, > > According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23-Slides/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. > > The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page 11 of the PDF. > > I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till today. > > From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its efficiency as there are no reports available recently. > > Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a diligent assessment of the situation ! > > > Regards, > > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From mje at posix.co.za Tue Mar 13 20:45:52 2018 From: mje at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:45:52 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <777178d5-33b1-745a-8e1b-c408dc6423e1@gmail.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <777178d5-33b1-745a-8e1b-c408dc6423e1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <700990cf-79c1-b758-9b44-52fb1ace81f2@posix.co.za> Well said. I also agree with//Jean-Robert On 13/03/2018 22:11, Jean-Robert Hountomey wrote: > Dear CEO and BOARD, > The matter is sensitive and requires the highest standard of care. > We expect a statement and a commitment that AfriNIC is a safe working place and an engagement to providing equal employment opportunity to all persons. > In addition we expect that there is no retaliation, reprisal, harassment, intimidation, threats, coercion or discrimination against staff and employees exercising > protected employment right. > AfriNIC is in our prayers. Good Luck. > Best Regards. > Jean-Robert HOUNTOMEY. > > On 3/13/18 12:01 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: >> Dear Badru, >> >> My response was from me as CEO. >> >> Alan Barrett >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa mje at posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496 For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wale at forum.org.ng Wed Mar 14 12:26:21 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:26:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board In-Reply-To: <1135025330.4000.1518637502992.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <1135025330.4000.1518637502992.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <144044006.198093.1521030381328.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Member, The call for nominations into the AFRINIC Board closes tomorrow 15th March. This is a final reminder please. NomCom 2018 Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Member, > NomCom2018 is pleased to announce that the AFRINIC Board Nomination process is open for the following seats: > > Seat 5 (Southern Africa), currently held by Lucky Masilela; > Seat 6 (Eastern Africa), currently held by Abibu Rashid Ntahigiye > > We are pleased to invite nominations for candidates to fill the above seats to serve three-year term starting from BOD?s election-day in the Annual General Members? Meeting in 2018 till BOD?s election-day in the Annual General Members? Meeting in 2021. > Any suitable natural person residing in one of the above regions can be nominated (for that sub-region) provided they comply with the requirements in Section 13 of the AFRINIC by-laws. > > A nominee shall: > ?Be nominated by one (1) AFRINIC member in good standing and Seconder by one(1) AFRINIC member in good standing or be formally endorsed by at least two (2) AFRINIC members in good standing (i.e. they must not have unpaid fees) in case of self-nomination. A member can nominate no more than one candidate and can second any number of candidate. > ?Have participated in at least two (2) AFRINIC events (physically or online) in the past three (3) years; > ?Have at least five (5) years professional experience in an area relevant to AFRINIC activities, such as Internet Resource Management, ICT, policy development, finance, audit or HR management; > ?Be available and committed to participate in Board meetings and other AFRINIC activities (face-to-face and online). > > Kindly note the following as stipulated in Section 13.10 of the AFRINIC bylaws: > > No person shall be appointed or hold office as a Director if he is a person who: > (i) is under 18 years of age; > (ii) is an undischarged bankrupt; > (iii) would, but for the repeal of Section 117 of the Companies Act 1984 of Mauritius, be prohibited from being a Director or promoter of, or being concerned or taking part in the management of, a company within the meaning of that Act; > (iv) is prohibited from being a director or promoter of or being concerned or taking part in the management of a company under Sections 337 or 338 of the Act; > (v) is not a natural person; or > (vi) has been adjudged to have been of unsound mind > > To nominate yourself or a person of your choice, please complete the nomination form available at https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/board-nomination-2018 > > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC. > > Note: It is expected that candidates should be able to attend AFRINIC-28 in person on the Day of Election (10 May 2018) where they will be afforded an opportunity to introduce themselves and make a short presentation to the community during the Annual General Members Meeting. The meeting will take place in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018 > For more information on the election process, please browse https://afrinic.net/en/community/elections/bod-election/process > > > > Dr. Wale Adedokun > On behalf of NomCom 2018 > > > > > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From wale at forum.org.ng Wed Mar 14 12:27:43 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:27:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee: In-Reply-To: <128817703.4066.1518639222661.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <128817703.4066.1518639222661.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <2003690594.198099.1521030463698.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community Member, The call for nominations into the AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee closes tomorrow 15th March. This is a final reminder please. NomCom 2018 Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Community Member, > > The AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee is a standing committee to adjudicate on appeals in terms of the Conflict Resolution section of the AFRINIC Policy Development Process (PDP). Any such appeal will involve a disagreement regarding the actions taken by the Chair(s) of the Policy Development Working Group (PDWG). > > NomCom is hereby calling for nominations from the community for three (3) (seats 3, 4, and 5) Appeal Committee positions up for election. NomCom would like to receive Nominations from all of the AFRINIC sub-regions and are explicitly looking for both Gender and Language diversity although a working understanding of the English language would be highly beneficial. > > The PDAC Charter is available at: https://afrinic.net/images/AFRINIC_Policy_Development_Appeal_Committee.v2.20171126.pdf > > Eligibility > ?Be a member of the AFRINIC policy development working group. > ?Must demonstrate to have participated in policy discussions on the rpd list or during the AFRINIC public policy meeting. > ?Such participation above shall be those made earlier than 6 months from the date of call for nomination. > ?All nominations (including self-nominations) must be supported by a minimum of two AFRINIC community members; the two individuals must not work for the same organization. AFRINIC staff can neither nominate candidates nor support them. > ?A person may only nominate one candidate - and, in case of multiple nominations by the same person, only the last nomination will be considered valid. > ?None of the nominated persons may be an AFRINIC Director, or an AFRINIC staff. > To nominate yourself or a candidate of your choice, please complete the nomination form at: https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/appeal-committee-nomination-2018 > Deadline for Nominations > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC. > > Please note that the election will take place during the AFRINIC-28 Annual General Members Meeting in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018 > > NomCom 2018 > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From wale at forum.org.ng Wed Mar 14 12:29:53 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group In-Reply-To: <770617292.4059.1518639094791.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <770617292.4059.1518639094791.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <199464013.198103.1521030593847.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community Member, The call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group closes tomorrow 15th March 2018. NomCom2018 ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Community Member, > > The AFRINIC NomCom2018 is pleased to invite nominations for 1 Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) for a 2-year term, starting from the Public Policy Meeting in AFRINIC-28 to the Public Policy Meeting in AFRINIC-32. The Seat is currently held by Sami Salih. > > PDWG co-chairs are volunteers selected by the community as provided for in the current Policy Development Process (PDP). Their responsibilities are as follows: > ?Creating reports (summaries) of mailing list discussions in preparation for face to face meetings. > ?Chairing the meeting sessions and declaring consensus. > ?Creating post-meeting policy report and posting to the mailing list. > ?Sending notifications of Last Call and evaluating consensus or not thereof. > ?Writing report to the board to recommend ratification of policy proposals that gained consensus. > ?Evaluating emergencies that necessitate varying the normal policy development process. > > Eligibility > Open to individuals residing within the AFRINIC service region. All nominations (including self-nominations) shall be supported by a minimum of two AFRINIC community members; the two individuals must not work for the same organization. > > A person may only nominate one candidate - and, in case of multiple nominations by the same person, only the last nomination will be considered valid. AFRINIC or other RIR staff can neither nominate candidates nor be nominated. > > Nominating Procedure > Nominations must be submitted using this nomination form at: https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/pdwg-nomination-2018 > > Please browse to the pages below for more information about the PDWG and related material: > > The AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group: > https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg > AFRINIC PDWG Co-chair Election Process: > http://afrinic.net/fr/community/elections/pdwg-election > > Deadline for Nominations > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC > > Please note that the election will take place during the AFRINIC-28. The meeting will take place in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018. An eligible voter shall be any non-AFRINIC staff who has registered to attend (and is present at) the AFRINIC-28 meeting. A registration badge shall be requested as proof. > > NomCom 2018 > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From wale at forum.org.ng Wed Mar 14 12:31:57 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:31:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members In-Reply-To: <299929917.4054.1518638786019.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <299929917.4054.1518638786019.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <952787993.198106.1521030717098.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community, The Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Governance Committee closes tomorrow 15th March 2018. Final reminder please. NomCom2018 ----- Wale Adedokun wrote: > Dear AFRINIC Community, > The AFRINIC Governance Committee is a standing committee whose purpose is to advise the AFRINIC Board, AFRINIC Membership, and the community, on matters of governance. > NomCom is hereby calling for nominations from the community for one Governance Committee position up for election, to serve a three-year term from January 2019 to December 2021. The seat is currently held by Wafa Dahmani. > NomCom would like to receive Nominations from all of the AFRINIC sub-regions and are explicitly looking for both Gender and Language diversity although a working understanding of the English language would be highly beneficial. > > The GC Charter is available at https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee > > The nomination and election process is available at https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee/1889-election-and-nomination-process > > Nomination Requirements: > > ? GC members shall be resident in the AFRINIC service region. > ? None of the elected members may be an AFRINIC Director, or an AFRINIC employee. > ? A valid nomination must originate from or be submitted by an authorized and registered contact person of the nominating member organization. The nomination must also be seconded/endorsed by at least one additional AFRINIC member, different from the nominating member organization. Nominators and seconders/endorsers must all be AFRINIC members in good standing (i.e. they must not have unpaid fees). > ? Self-nominations are permitted and must be endorsed by 2 distinct AFRINIC members in good standing. > > To nominate yourself or a candidate of your choice, please complete the nomination form at: https://registration.afrinic.net/elections/govcom-nomination-2018 > > Deadline for Nominations > The Closure of the Candidate Nomination period is 15th March 2018 at 20:00 UTC. > > Please note that the election will take place during the AFRINIC-28 Annual General Members Meeting in Dakar, Senegal from 6th -11th May 2018 > > NomCom 2018 > > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 17:07:43 2018 From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <2092909260.468536.1521047263423@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Allan and Community, As community has called for investigation into all this serious allegation, we hope that plans are underway, meanwhile the AFRINIC HR should consider instituting protocols that give sufferers at the work place the ability to file complaints without retaliation. Lack of effective reporting options is a major factor that drives unchecked sexual misconduct in the workplace.? What we have all read in that document is very unfortunate, if such vulgar language can be used by professionals at the work place against their fellow employees and worse of it all to a woman, demeaning her self worth? Really???? HR should have taken such matters very seriously because few women ever report such incidents due to fear of reprisal. MirriamLadies in Tech On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 7:31:29 PM GMT+3, Alan Barrett wrote: Dear AFRINIC community, AFRINIC has received a complaint containing several allegations.? It is a matter of concern, which will be investigated forthwith.? A further communication will be addressed to the community in due course. Regards, Alan Barrett CEO, AFRINIC _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rnajuna at wia.co.tz Wed Mar 14 18:29:37 2018 From: rnajuna at wia.co.tz (rnajuna at wia.co.tz) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:29:37 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> , <66C656A3-16B8-40A2-A460-91A2E49E72B7@delong.com> Message-ID: <5a29cd5b2232e1716578e8d21835f5ba@wia.co.tz> Dear All, Rarely do I comment on the list however after reading all this and the allegations. Its very clear that some of the allegations are not far from the truth and perhaps there will be enough evidence for the members to expect in the final report from the investigations which must happen without sweeping anything under the carpet. Its very unprofessional for a board chairman to send private sensitive messages to a member of staff. BR On 2018-03-13 22:45, Badru Ntege wrote: > @owen > > Yes what we have is allegations and insinuations. But they are pretty > grave allegations that need to be treated delicately. none of us can > comment on the content but we are asking for the head of the house to > assure us that the smoke is being investigated. > > Prolonged silence is bad since it allows our minds to wonder. We need > our leaders to come out and take leadership of this issue. > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:07, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> While I agree such allegations must be taken seriously and a proper >> investigation should be conducted, I must say that the texts and >> other data in the original email contain nothing to substantiate the >> allegations, but rather appear to be an entirely professional >> attempt to address a legitimate HR issue. >> >> I?m not saying this is necessarily the case. There may be evidence >> elsewhere. But what was delivered to the community is not evidence >> and should not be treated as such. >> >> Owen >> >> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:31, Evelyn Namara >> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations >> especially since among allegations are sexual harassment >> allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same >> topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. >> >> Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure >> women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. >> >> That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the >> investigations. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA >> wrote: >> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a >> critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >> >> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our >> board. >> >> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege >> wrote: >> Thanks >> >> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >> should wait for board. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Badru, >>> >>> My response was from me as CEO. >>> >>> Alan Barrett >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss [1] >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Nanghaka Daniel K. >> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead >> - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - >> FOSS4G2018 >> Mobile +256 772 898298 [2] (Uganda) >> >> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ----------------------------------------- _"Working for Africa" >> _----------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss [1] > > -- > > Evelyn Namara > > Phone: +256754440893 > Skype: enamara > > Twitter: enamara > >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > Links: > ------ > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > [2] tel:+256%20772%20898298 From lmasilela at registry.net.za Wed Mar 14 21:37:14 2018 From: lmasilela at registry.net.za (Lucky Masilela) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:37:14 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" Message-ID: <49088C25-34EC-4892-9E8C-FB8321F7019F@registry.net.za> Dear AFRINIC Community Certain allegations have been made against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations and report on this matter. The Board further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. Regards, Lucky Masilela Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. From owen at delong.com Thu Mar 15 05:54:54 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:54:54 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> Message-ID: This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. Owen > On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There cannot be smoke without fire. > ? > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein > wrote: > @Badru > > I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement. > > There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment. > > Regards > > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > Skype: abu-jomo > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> @Ali >> >> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board. >> >> Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. >> >> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about. >> >> Our organization must be protected above any individuals. >> >> Deep down I hope these are just allegations. >> >> Maybe governance committee should comment. >> >> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein > wrote: >> >>> @Badru >>> >>> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. >>> >>> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ali Hussein >>> Principal >>> Hussein & Associates >>> +254 0713 601113 >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: >>> >>>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >>>> >>>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Dear Badru, >>>> > >>>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>>> > >>>> > Alan Barrett >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Nanghaka Daniel K. >>>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >>>> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >>>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition we expect that there is no retaliation, reprisal, harassment, > intimidation, threats, coercion or discrimination against staff and > employees exercising > protected employment right. > I would also stressed this again considering the circumstances that NO retaliation, reprisal, harassment, intimidation, threats, coercion or discrimination against staff and employees exercising protected employment right. > Jean-Robert HOUNTOMEY. > Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ali at hussein.me.ke Thu Mar 15 07:46:16 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:46:16 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> Message-ID: <413ADD2A-725F-4E8B-87B0-315E6F6F8260@hussein.me.ke> Owen Be that as it may. The fact remains a complaint has been made. It needs to be investigated. Instead of us continuing with this line of conversation I?d humbly suggest the following:- 1. We let the committee mandated to look into this issue start and complete its work. 2. We forthwith stop discussing this matter until we see the report from the committee. Otherwise we run the risk of prejudicing the process. 3. Because of the #MeToo Movement a lot of unsavory behavior of the sexual harassment nature are coming to light and we MUST make sure we are on the right side of history. Justice must not only be done but be seen to be done and with speed. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad > On 15 Mar 2018, at 8:54 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. > > You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. > > Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. > > In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. > > The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. > > Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. > > Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. > > I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. > > Owen > >> On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >> >> There cannot be smoke without fire. >> ? >> >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein wrote: >>> @Badru >>> >>> I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement. >>> >>> There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ali Hussein >>> Principal >>> Hussein & Associates >>> +254 0713 601113 >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> >>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: >>>> >>>> @Ali >>>> >>>> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board. >>>> >>>> Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. >>>> >>>> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about. >>>> >>>> Our organization must be protected above any individuals. >>>> >>>> Deep down I hope these are just allegations. >>>> >>>> Maybe governance committee should comment. >>>> >>>> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Badru >>>>> >>>>> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. >>>>> >>>>> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Ali Hussein >>>>> Principal >>>>> Hussein & Associates >>>>> +254 0713 601113 >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>> >>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Dear Badru, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Alan Barrett >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Nanghaka Daniel K. >>>>>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >>>>>> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >>>>>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Nanghaka Daniel K. >> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the progress to date; All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018 A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018. Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese. For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO ????????????????.. Cher Christophe, Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?. Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet : Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe. Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018. Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018. Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018. Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais. Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC Kind Regards, Felix Otiato, Head of Communications & PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > >> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >> Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400 >> To: community-discuss > >> >> Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, >> >> Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? >> >> Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. >> >> >> >> AFRINIC CEO, >> >> Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? >> >> We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. >> >> -- >> KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA >> Contr?leur des douanes >> Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information >> Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et >> Accises >> DRC >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benny.MBOKO at arpce.cg Thu Mar 15 12:39:05 2018 From: Benny.MBOKO at arpce.cg (Benny.MBOKO at arpce.cg) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:39:05 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict In-Reply-To: <486E0E55-C97E-4B48-A9F0-C197D9D6D3C8@afrinic.net> References: <200848BC-BC54-458D-AD81-24BFE52A5F1D@afrinic.net> <486E0E55-C97E-4B48-A9F0-C197D9D6D3C8@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Bonjour ? tous, C?est une tr?s bonne nouvelle. Nous l?attendions depuis l?annonce officielle faite ? Lagos. Bravo et F?licitation ! Bien cordialement Benny MBOKO De : Felix Otiato [mailto:felix.otiato at afrinic.net] Envoy? : jeudi 15 mars 2018 13:18 ? : community-discuss at afrinic.net Objet : [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict Dear Christophe, Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date; 1. All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard 2. The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic 3. We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French 4. The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018 5. A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready 6. We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018. Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese. For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO ????????????????.. Cher Christophe, Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?. Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet : 1. Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. 2. Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe. 3. Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. 4. Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018. 5. Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018. 6. Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018. Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais. Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC Kind Regards, Felix Otiato, Head of Communications & PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia Begin forwarded message: From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400 To: community-discuss > Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. AFRINIC CEO, Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. -- KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA Contr?leur des douanes Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et Accises DRC _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the IT101 Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.it101.be ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the IT101 Email Security System. 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Je ne sais pas si notre PDG demande de l'aide aux membres du conseil d'administration pour r?soudre les probl?mes de personnel, ou bien ils le forcent ? le trahir contre son propre personnel et ? promettre des promotions ? certains membres du personnel. Le contenu des messages de chat est tr?s vrai et clair et les dits directeurs du conseil ont partag? les chats et les captures d'?cran avec le membre du personnel et m?me si nous avons peur de nous manifester, nous savons ce qui se passe. D?j? nous sommes menac?s parce que nous serons vir?s par M. Patrisse. 1. Mais la preuve de ces captures d'?cran devrait ?tre admissible au cours de l'enqu?te, car cela ne vient pas d'un endroit inconnu et le pr?sident lui-m?me le sait. 2. L'all?gation de harc?lement de la part du personnel masculin doit ?tre prise au s?rieux car aucun membre du personnel ne doit intimider ou ?tre au-dessus des autres membres du personnel m?me si ce sont des directeurs financiers, ils ne doivent pas harceler les autres. 3. Mais en AFRIQUE, la politique aura pr?s?ance comme si les femmes se plaignaient et la prochaine chose que nous saurons, rien ne se passera et la situation continuera et nous vivrons tous afrinic un par un quand un meilleur travail surviendra. si pas de place pour explication seulement harc?lement Merci Patrick Lumumba -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MirriamLadies In Tech On Thursday, March 15, 2018, 12:38:43 AM GMT+3, Lucky Masilela wrote: Dear AFRINIC Community Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. 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Allegations have been made and yes an independent committee appointed to carry out further investigations to this effect-- will those "accused" continue in their respective posts while under investigations or do they intend-- in all humility to step down as these independent committee investigations are being carried out? You call upon the community to handle this issue with the "sensitivity it deserves"(and you are right to do so as these are grave accusations) so kindly affirm, that the same is being done by the board--- as well as those affected. Blessings. On 15 Mar 2018 12:38 a.m., "Lucky Masilela" wrote: Dear AFRINIC Community Certain allegations have been made against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations and report on this matter. The Board further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. Regards, Lucky Masilela Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: > Dear all, > > As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations > especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. > In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to > speak out boldly against this. > > Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women > at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. > > That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the > investigations. > > Kind Regards, > > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a > critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.? > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean > our board. > > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > > > wrote: > > Thanks > > I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.? > Even CEO should wait for board. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Badru, > > > > My response was from me as CEO. > > > > Alan Barrett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > -- > ? > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community > Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - > FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- /"Working for Africa" > /----------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > > -- > Evelyn Namara > > Phone: +256754440893 > Skype: enamara > Twitter: enamara > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Thu Mar 15 19:07:03 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:07:03 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> , Message-ID: <89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A570255095C28@NFT-P-EX2.nftconsult.com> @Owen in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are actually separating electrons and producing plasmas"..... We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they are exonerated. The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is investigated. There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period. We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare. Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded both should be treated equally. For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the investigations are concluded. That's good governance. regards ________________________________ From: Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM To: DANIEL NANGHAKA Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. Owen On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: There cannot be smoke without fire. [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZG5kYW5uYW5nQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=58e9d020-d5fd-4da9-8d80-3e191f12c131]? On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein > wrote: @Badru I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement. There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: @Ali This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board. Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about. Our organization must be protected above any individuals. Deep down I hope these are just allegations. Maybe governance committee should comment. But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein > wrote: @Badru Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: Thanks I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. 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NomCom 2018 Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 15 22:17:36 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:17:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations: AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee-Period Extension Message-ID: <728711835.203444.1521152256160.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC COmmunity, This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. Thank you. NomCom 2018 Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 15 22:19:28 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:19:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members: Period Extension Message-ID: <499884281.203449.1521152368348.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community, This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. Thank you. NomCom 2018 Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng From wale at forum.org.ng Thu Mar 15 22:21:27 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group-Period Extension Message-ID: <1798222401.203452.1521152487276.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Dear AFRINIC Community, This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. Thank you. NomCom 2018 Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng From uffa_modey at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 09:10:59 2018 From: uffa_modey at yahoo.com (Uffa Modey) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" In-Reply-To: <49088C25-34EC-4892-9E8C-FB8321F7019F@registry.net.za> References: <49088C25-34EC-4892-9E8C-FB8321F7019F@registry.net.za> Message-ID: <1323988214.1740601.1521191459485@mail.yahoo.com> Good day Mr Lucky. Thanks for the update on this issue. As a newbie and an emerging young female in the Afrinic community, I was very upset to learn about these accusations considering that I look up to all the parties involved ( both the accused and the accuser) as asteemed Afrinic community leaders. However, despite the fact that we all agree that this is an extremely serious issue, I fail to see any strong and intentional steps being taken by Afrinic to properly address this issue. I understand that due process must be followed but can we not imagine the disgrace it will be to our dearest RIR if this issue got blown out of proportion and it is seen that we as a community didn't address it with the urgency and seriousness it required? The shared document was quite verbal and with the numerous campaigns going on both online and offline at the moment globally, it will definitely not be ignored once it is accessed by the rest of the world considering the positions of the individuals involved and the organisation involved (AFRINIC). Please we need to take more drastic steps to address this issue with the urgency it deserves. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 9:38 PM, Lucky Masilela wrote: Dear AFRINIC Community Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. 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Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to Workonline Communications clients, any opinion or advice contained in this e-mail is subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any non disclosure agreement or service provision agreement. From: Mark Tinka Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2018 5:27 PM To: Evelyn Namara ; DANIEL NANGHAKA Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that seek answers from an independent investigation based on these allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the upcoming gathering in Dakar next month. To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by the community. Mark. On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: Dear all, As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations. Kind Regards, On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: Thanks I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > Dear Badru, > > My response was from me as CEO. > > Alan Barrett > _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. 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It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. From conrald2k8 at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 14:55:44 2018 From: conrald2k8 at gmail.com (Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 17:55:44 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005001d3bd36$ddcf2460$996d6d20$@gmail.com> Mr. Chairman, This is an honorable decision, and a commendable move. Since you say the claims are not true, I pray you will be vindicated of all this - with all due respect. Gabriella. -----Original Message----- From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:38 PM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Fri Mar 16 16:01:17 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:01:17 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly - let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days - the details of which will remain private - you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday - What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member - and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 - the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note - that does not say formal board meeting - it says within the board - and considering the information under discussion in what was shared - it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board - even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed - two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA - and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning - that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair - and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email - but the reality is - rules have to be consistent - the application of rules has to be consistent - what applies to one must apply to all - anything else makes all rules meaningless - and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please - do what is right - and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 19:44:39 2018 From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 19:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <005001d3bd36$ddcf2460$996d6d20$@gmail.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <005001d3bd36$ddcf2460$996d6d20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <274647554.2020654.1521229479656@mail.yahoo.com> Gabriella, Sorry but I will quote below part of Sundays email. --------------"While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me,? and believe these allegations are entirely spurious,?--------------- But then there are screen shots of late night awkward chats and staff seems to find a way out of the situation... ---------------I do acknowledge? that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was.------------------ Did you skip the above parts of Sunday's mail? My dear, unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that is offensive and unreasonably interfere with an employee's job performance or create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment is not acceptable and had far reaching consequences for the organization which is why we are all finding ourselves in this rather sensitive situation. Let's call a spade a spade... Mirriam On Friday, March 16, 2018, 5:56:40 PM GMT+3, Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe wrote: Mr. Chairman, This is an honorable decision, and a commendable move. Since you say the claims are not true, I pray you will be vindicated of all this - with all due respect. Gabriella. -----Original Message----- From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:38 PM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akiriza.lydia at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 21:00:36 2018 From: akiriza.lydia at gmail.com (Lydia Akiriza) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 00:00:36 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member In-Reply-To: <89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A570255095C28@NFT-P-EX2.nftconsult.com> References: <2B32860E-BC5F-4080-810F-91FC51B99F74@afrinic.net> <1D8A3C85-C156-4032-897B-AFBE47649B35@afrinic.net> <05A2DE96-89FF-4FFF-A5E2-56733E6EC770@nftconsult.com> <76122BBA-4F24-4618-954A-C8997F90DEA1@hussein.me.ke> <8A62DBE1-E13B-497D-827F-A819E903CD3B@nftconsult.com> <904E4325-8301-4F8F-8124-E3DAF1B09746@hussein.me.ke> <89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A570255095C28@NFT-P-EX2.nftconsult.com> Message-ID: ++1 On 15 Mar 2018 22:06, "Badru Ntege" wrote: > @Owen > > > in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a case > of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair shared > this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO needs no > investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be shared here. > if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are actually separating > electrons and producing plasmas"..... > > > We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some > clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the > board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they > are exonerated. > > > The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that > the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is > investigated. > > > There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period. > > We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare. > > > Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have > an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an > accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded > both should be treated equally. > > > For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have > nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the > investigations are concluded. That's good governance. > > > regards > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM > *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > > This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. > > You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in > smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses > and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating > electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with > an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. > > Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. > > In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains > completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on > this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. > > The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist > the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. > There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, > harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. > > Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to > the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. > > Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be > seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. > > I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I > will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. > > Owen > > On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > There cannot be smoke without fire. > ? > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein wrote: > >> @Badru >> >> I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He >> issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be >> fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a >> Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that >> Committee must issue a statement. >> >> There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate >> Governance environment. >> >> Regards >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> *Principal* >> *Hussein & Associates* >> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> Skype: abu-jomo >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a >> habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege >> wrote: >> >> @Ali >> >> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our >> elected Board. >> >> Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. >> >> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s >> what accountability is about. >> >> Our organization must be protected above any individuals. >> >> Deep down I hope these are just allegations. >> >> Maybe governance committee should comment. >> >> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way >> forward. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: >> >> @Badru >> >> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. >> The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast >> aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the >> organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the >> organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the >> organization?s mandate and good name. >> >> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >> >> Regards >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> *Principal* >> *Hussein & Associates* >> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> Skype: abu-jomo >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a >> habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >> >> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical >> review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >> >> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >> >> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks >>> >>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >>> should wait for board. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Badru, >>> > >>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>> > >>> > Alan Barrett >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Nanghaka Daniel K. >> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - >> ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda) >> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ----------------------------------------- * "Working for Africa" * >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - > ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 <+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * > ----------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent with Mailtrack On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote: > Dear Former Chair, > > > > I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little > disturbed. > > > > Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the > investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find > alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly > diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the > last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen > to ignore what has been stated so clearly. > > > > I draw attention to this part of your email: > > > > *I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which > should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the > intention was. * > > Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you > signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what > was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat > between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board > meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC > business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as > chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as > a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third > party. > > > > In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: > > > > Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; *Information discussed within > the Board* should not be disclosed to third parties without Board > approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the > Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not > under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the > public domain. > > > > Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the > board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared > ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged > information and that discussion can be very much considered information > discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. > > > > A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, > Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then > chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather > than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in > the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent > happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now > hold yourself to a different standard. > > > > I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I > wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing > this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the > application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply > to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing > now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to > be. > > > > Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > *From:* Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 16 March 2018 17:38 > *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > members-discuss at afrinic.net > *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > > > Dear members and the Community, > > > Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious > and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and > represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. > > I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of > the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised > further. > > While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, > and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge > that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been > treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. > > It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of > the investigations on the harassment claims. > > May I most respectfully request that we await the independent > investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the > community can come out of this strongest. 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URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sat Mar 17 00:19:32 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 00:19:32 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> Community It?s nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed the author at the time. A?luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. Let?s never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders while members vote. Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to show swift leadership. I?m glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made earlier. There?s still work to do let?s please dispense of these issues before the upcoming AGMM Regards. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston > wrote: Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From silber.mike at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 01:57:49 2018 From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 01:57:49 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Hi Badru This matter has been referred by the board. The scope and modalities of the investigation will be discussed this coming week and communicated thereafter. Could I ask that, if you have any direct evidence of potentially inappropriate behavior, you should please reveal it in the investigation process. If however you have no direct evidence and are simply acting as an echo chamber for allegations, you should refrain from making unsupported accusations like "disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff". This indicates prejudice and not what we expect from a senior community member. Mike On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 at 20:19, Badru Ntege wrote: > Community > > It?s nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my > decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and > our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed > the author at the time. > > A?luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in > choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. > > Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced > our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. > > Let?s never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the > community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders > while members vote. > > Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. > > Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to > show swift leadership. > > I?m glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made > earlier. > > There?s still work to do let?s please dispense of these issues before the > upcoming AGMM > > > > Regards. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston > wrote: > > Dear Former Chair, > > > > I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little > disturbed. > > > > Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the > investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find > alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly > diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the > last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen > to ignore what has been stated so clearly. > > > > I draw attention to this part of your email: > > > > *I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which > should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the > intention was. * > > Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you > signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what > was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat > between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board > meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC > business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as > chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as > a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third > party. > > > > In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: > > > > Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; *Information discussed within > the Board* should not be disclosed to third parties without Board > approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the > Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not > under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the > public domain. > > > > Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the > board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared > ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged > information and that discussion can be very much considered information > discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. > > > > A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, > Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then > chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather > than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in > the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent > happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now > hold yourself to a different standard. > > > > I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I > wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing > this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the > application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply > to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing > now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to > be. > > > > Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > *From:* Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > *Sent:* 16 March 2018 17:38 > *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > members-discuss at afrinic.net > *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > > > Dear members and the Community, > > Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious > and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and > represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. > > I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of > the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised > further. > > While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, > and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge > that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been > treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. > > It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of > the investigations on the harassment claims. > > May I most respectfully request that we await the independent > investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the > community can come out of this strongest. 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URL: From seeburn.k at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 04:12:00 2018 From: seeburn.k at gmail.com (Kris Seeburn) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 08:12:00 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <1521253181193.1724753182@boxbe> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <1521253181193.1724753182@boxbe> Message-ID: <50C492BE-DEC5-4196-AAC3-DB5D91BF3BB5@gmail.com> +1 mike We should show a grown up community. Any continuous accusation can if proven wrong could end up in prejudice to the community. The people concerned are making there decisions as we send emails. I also think we concentrate on important matters. Lucky and the chair and ceo have all acted or reacted in good faith so let the enquiry be done. But not forget the challenges afrinic also has. Am sure the other board members with the concerned will decide accordingly the right path. Let?s give them the time to act and react. I believe CEO and also Lucky as Board have clearly stated what will follow. So let us see. If nothing follows then the community should Be able to find the correct path. Kris > On 17 Mar 2018, at 05:57, Mike Silber wrote: > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (silber.mike at gmail.com) Add cleanup rule | More info > Hi Badru > > This matter has been referred by the board. > > The scope and modalities of the investigation will be discussed this coming week and communicated thereafter. > > Could I ask that, if you have any direct evidence of potentially inappropriate behavior, you should please reveal it in the investigation process. > > If however you have no direct evidence and are simply acting as an echo chamber for allegations, you should refrain from making unsupported accusations like "disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff". > > This indicates prejudice and not what we expect from a senior community member. > > Mike > >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 at 20:19, Badru Ntege wrote: >> Community >> >> It?s nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed the author at the time. >> >> A?luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. >> >> Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. >> >> Let?s never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders while members vote. >> >> Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. >> >> Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to show swift leadership. >> >> I?m glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made earlier. >> >> There?s still work to do let?s please dispense of these issues before the upcoming AGMM >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston wrote: >> >>> Dear Former Chair, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. >>> >>> >>> >>> I draw attention to this part of your email: >>> >>> I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. >>> >>> >>> Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. >>> >>> >>> >>> In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: >>> >>> >>> >>> Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. >>> >>> >>> >>> I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. >>> >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >>> Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 >>> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net >>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear members and the Community, >>> >>> Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious >>> and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and >>> represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. >>> >>> I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of >>> the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised >>> further. >>> >>> While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, >>> and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge >>> that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been >>> treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. >>> >>> It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of >>> the investigations on the harassment claims. >>> >>> May I most respectfully request that we await the independent >>> investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the >>> community can come out of this strongest. 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URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sat Mar 17 04:36:17 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 04:36:17 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> Good Morning ? Mike Thanks for ?echoing? that you understood the email more than all of us. In a free world, one is free to express his individual views and opinions. You are also free to assume that you know more about this matter than I may. However Since you may not know what I do know and nor may I know what information you have right now. It?s only fare that non of us tries to silence each other. It?s a community mailing list let?s allow the community to openly express their sentiments. I hope you do have a wonderful weekend. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 03:59, Mike Silber > wrote: Hi Badru This matter has been referred by the board. The scope and modalities of the investigation will be discussed this coming week and communicated thereafter. Could I ask that, if you have any direct evidence of potentially inappropriate behavior, you should please reveal it in the investigation process. If however you have no direct evidence and are simply acting as an echo chamber for allegations, you should refrain from making unsupported accusations like "disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff". This indicates prejudice and not what we expect from a senior community member. Mike On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 at 20:19, Badru Ntege > wrote: Community It?s nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed the author at the time. A?luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. Let?s never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders while members vote. Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to show swift leadership. I?m glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made earlier. There?s still work to do let?s please dispense of these issues before the upcoming AGMM Regards. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston > wrote: Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... 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URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sat Mar 17 04:53:18 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 04:53:18 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> , <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Kris With all due respect it took the board three days to do what should have been done on Tuesday. Those three days have done their damage. And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved. Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC. Are we saying that we operate under different standards. ?? We trust the board and the relevant committees will do the right thing but where we see a glaring omission we are free to share our sentiment. What is known publicly is enough for community members to comment Regards Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 06:37, Badru Ntege > wrote: Good Morning ? Mike Thanks for ?echoing? that you understood the email more than all of us. In a free world, one is free to express his individual views and opinions. You are also free to assume that you know more about this matter than I may. However Since you may not know what I do know and nor may I know what information you have right now. It?s only fare that non of us tries to silence each other. It?s a community mailing list let?s allow the community to openly express their sentiments. I hope you do have a wonderful weekend. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 03:59, Mike Silber > wrote: Hi Badru This matter has been referred by the board. The scope and modalities of the investigation will be discussed this coming week and communicated thereafter. Could I ask that, if you have any direct evidence of potentially inappropriate behavior, you should please reveal it in the investigation process. If however you have no direct evidence and are simply acting as an echo chamber for allegations, you should refrain from making unsupported accusations like "disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff". This indicates prejudice and not what we expect from a senior community member. Mike On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 at 20:19, Badru Ntege > wrote: Community It?s nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed the author at the time. A?luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. Let?s never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders while members vote. Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to show swift leadership. I?m glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made earlier. There?s still work to do let?s please dispense of these issues before the upcoming AGMM Regards. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston > wrote: Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... 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URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Sat Mar 17 08:34:27 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 08:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com>, <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Mr Ntege, Let me start by saying I have no desire to engage in a long debate about this - however, I need to clarify a few things in light of your email below, since you made reference to me "seeing the light" - and I fail to fully understand what you mean by that - and as such I feel it could be misinterpreted or misconstrued by the community and member base. Firstly - I stated that I believe that you stepping down was the honourable thing to do - you clearly violated the NDA. In no way however does this reflect an endorsement of your actions which lead to you stepping down, which I believed then and believe now were entirely unconscionable. I also believe that the honour that you restored when you stepped down was destroyed by your subsequent actions when you chose to immediately disregard your blatant violation of board resolutions and continue your candidacy to be re-elected. With regards to the other allegations - I fully support the governance committee being given time to define the scope of the investigation and the terms of reference, to ensure that we get a full and impartial investigation into what are serious allegations that could have serious ramifications - particularly when we consider that charges such as these if found to be true can carry both civil and criminal penalties (As per the Mauritian Equal Opportunities act of 2008, section 26) As such, I am refraining from commenting on, or forming any opinion on anything to do with the harassment allegations - and I believe that the investigation needs to run its course. I will however comment on the NDA issue particularly since my name appears in those documents in references to statements which I made in the context of the board (And as per the 2014 resolution, with those statements now in the public domain and hence no longer covered by the NDA, I feel fully within my rights to say that yes, what was attributed to me in the one or two lines in there, was stated, and I fully stand behind what was attributed to me, and if asked I would be quite happy to provide a written justification in the form of a sworn affidavit as to those remarks and the context of them). I merely believe that on an issue that was so extensively dealt with in the 2014/2015 time period - the application of sanction should be equally applied to all who are guilty of the same offense, irrespective of position, personal relationships or former standing. If the application of sanction for violation of the rules differs from individual to individual - we make the rules meaningless. It would also create a situation where the resolutions of the board are only binding when it is convenient that they be applied - and that is an untenable situation. As such, I stand by the fact that in light of history and with precedent backing my statements, I do believe that Mr Folayan should tender his resignation from the board while the investigation into the harassment charges made in the document continue unabated until such time as the community is informed of the outcome of said investigation. I also point out that my request for Mr Folayan to step down has absolutely no bearing on the other individuals implicated in this - since my request is based on a very specific aspect that related to actions of Mr Folayan as exposed by the document, that I do not have any evidence were supported or endorsed by the other implicated parties. There is no evidence in the documents provided to implicate either the CFO, The Vice Chair (Mr Ek-Nakhal) or the CFO (Mr Deesse) in such NDA violations. Therefore, let the investigations continue into what were the substantive aspects of the allegations made, and let the governance committee do its work - but my call for Mr Folayan to resign based on NDA violations and precedent related to such remains and I will continue to call for equality under the rules and equal application of said rules irrespective of position or standing. Andrew From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com] Sent: 17 March 2018 03:20 To: Andrew Alston Cc: Sunday Folayan ; General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Community It's nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed the author at the time. A'luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. Let's never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders while members vote. Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to show swift leadership. I'm glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made earlier. There's still work to do let's please dispense of these issues before the upcoming AGMM Regards. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston > wrote: Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly - let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days - the details of which will remain private - you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday - What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member - and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 - the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note - that does not say formal board meeting - it says within the board - and considering the information under discussion in what was shared - it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board - even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed - two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA - and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning - that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair - and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email - but the reality is - rules have to be consistent - the application of rules has to be consistent - what applies to one must apply to all - anything else makes all rules meaningless - and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please - do what is right - and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sat Mar 17 09:37:15 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:37:15 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com>, <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com>, Message-ID: <03FD3105-AEE3-4EF0-A849-7713B3885553@nftconsult.com> Andrew I will be honest I have not read this long email but I think it expresses your views in detail and yes let?s wait for the outcome of the relevant committees. If i touched a wrong nerve in my Submission please accept my apologies. Real work needs to be done so let?s close this. Maybe we will clear our issues over a cup of tea in Senegal. Regards. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 11:36, Andrew Alston > wrote: Mr Ntege, Let me start by saying I have no desire to engage in a long debate about this ? however, I need to clarify a few things in light of your email below, since you made reference to me ?seeing the light? ? and I fail to fully understand what you mean by that ? and as such I feel it could be misinterpreted or misconstrued by the community and member base. Firstly ? I stated that I believe that you stepping down was the honourable thing to do ? you clearly violated the NDA. In no way however does this reflect an endorsement of your actions which lead to you stepping down, which I believed then and believe now were entirely unconscionable. I also believe that the honour that you restored when you stepped down was destroyed by your subsequent actions when you chose to immediately disregard your blatant violation of board resolutions and continue your candidacy to be re-elected. With regards to the other allegations ? I fully support the governance committee being given time to define the scope of the investigation and the terms of reference, to ensure that we get a full and impartial investigation into what are serious allegations that could have serious ramifications ? particularly when we consider that charges such as these if found to be true can carry both civil and criminal penalties (As per the Mauritian Equal Opportunities act of 2008, section 26) As such, I am refraining from commenting on, or forming any opinion on anything to do with the harassment allegations ? and I believe that the investigation needs to run its course. I will however comment on the NDA issue particularly since my name appears in those documents in references to statements which I made in the context of the board (And as per the 2014 resolution, with those statements now in the public domain and hence no longer covered by the NDA, I feel fully within my rights to say that yes, what was attributed to me in the one or two lines in there, was stated, and I fully stand behind what was attributed to me, and if asked I would be quite happy to provide a written justification in the form of a sworn affidavit as to those remarks and the context of them). I merely believe that on an issue that was so extensively dealt with in the 2014/2015 time period ? the application of sanction should be equally applied to all who are guilty of the same offense, irrespective of position, personal relationships or former standing. If the application of sanction for violation of the rules differs from individual to individual ? we make the rules meaningless. It would also create a situation where the resolutions of the board are only binding when it is convenient that they be applied ? and that is an untenable situation. As such, I stand by the fact that in light of history and with precedent backing my statements, I do believe that Mr Folayan should tender his resignation from the board while the investigation into the harassment charges made in the document continue unabated until such time as the community is informed of the outcome of said investigation. I also point out that my request for Mr Folayan to step down has absolutely no bearing on the other individuals implicated in this ? since my request is based on a very specific aspect that related to actions of Mr Folayan as exposed by the document, that I do not have any evidence were supported or endorsed by the other implicated parties. There is no evidence in the documents provided to implicate either the CFO, The Vice Chair (Mr Ek-Nakhal) or the CFO (Mr Deesse) in such NDA violations. Therefore, let the investigations continue into what were the substantive aspects of the allegations made, and let the governance committee do its work ? but my call for Mr Folayan to resign based on NDA violations and precedent related to such remains and I will continue to call for equality under the rules and equal application of said rules irrespective of position or standing. Andrew From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com] Sent: 17 March 2018 03:20 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: Sunday Folayan >; General Discussions of AFRINIC >; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Community It?s nice that our colleague Andrew finally saw the light but I think my decision to release factual information that was being hidden by him and our fallen chair was an attempt to stop the rot which has finally claimed the author at the time. A?luta continua as the song goes. We the community made some mistakes in choices to the board. The organization has been hurt but it will heal. Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. Let?s never forget that AFRINIC was created out of the will of the community for the community as much as bylaws leave community as bystanders while members vote. Ultimately the will of the community is the life of Afrinic. Right now the community is silent but hurting and we need the board to show swift leadership. I?m glad that chair finally made the decision that should have been made earlier. There?s still work to do let?s please dispense of these issues before the upcoming AGMM Regards. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:04, Andrew Alston > wrote: Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From funga.roho at yandex.com Sat Mar 17 12:38:38 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:38:38 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 278, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11659651521290318@web4g.yandex.ru> Monsieur Felix Otiato, Je salue le travail abattu par vos ?quipes. Il s'av?re qu'il s'agit d'une t?che hercul?enne que vous et votre ?quipe est entrain d'accomplir. J'ose esp?rer qu'en avril 2018 l'ensemble du site traduit sera disponible pour les locuteurs francophones et arabophones. n?anmoins, concernant le forum de discussion, vous devez avoir remarqu? comme moi que les caract?res sp?ciaux et ponctuations ?cris lors d'un post fait en fran?ais ne s'affichent pas (accents, signes de ponctuation, etc.) rendant la lecture moins confortable et la compr?hension du message plus fastidieuse, pourriez vous rajoutez cette requ?te parmi celles ? soumettre ? votre ?quipe. 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Re: Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" > ??????(Lydia Akiriza) > ???6. Re: Complaint from staff member (Mark Tinka) > ???7. Re: Complaint from staff member (Badru Ntege) > ???8. Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board- Period Extension > ??????(Wale Adedokun) > ???9. Call for Nominations: AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal > ??????Committee-Period Extension (Wale Adedokun) > ??10. Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) > ??????Members: Period Extension (Wale Adedokun) > ??11. Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development > ??????Working Group-Period Extension (Wale Adedokun) > ??12. Re: Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" > ??????(Uffa Modey) > ??13. Re: Complaint from staff member (Edward Lawrence) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:17:42 +0400 > From: Felix Otiato > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict > Message-ID: <486E0E55-C97E-4B48-A9F0-C197D9D6D3C8 at afrinic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Christophe, > > Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date; > All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard > The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic > We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French > The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018 > A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready > We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018. > Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese. > > For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO > > ????????????????.. > > Cher Christophe, > > Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?. > > Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet : > Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. > Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe. > Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. > Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018. > Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018. > Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018. > Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais. > > Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC > > Kind Regards, > > Felix Otiato, > Head of Communications & PR, > AFRINIC Ltd. > t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net > facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > >>> ?Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> ?From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > >>> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >>> ?Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400 >>> ?To: community-discuss > >>> >>> ?Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, >>> >>> ?Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? >>> >>> ?Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. >>> >>> ?AFRINIC CEO, >>> >>> ?Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? >>> >>> ?We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. >>> >>> ?-- >>> ?KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA >>> ?Contr?leur des douanes >>> ?Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information >>> ?Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et >>> ?Accises >>> ?DRC >>> >>> ?_______________________________________________ >>> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >>> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:39:05 +0000 > From: > To: , > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bonjour ? tous, > C?est une tr?s bonne nouvelle. Nous l?attendions depuis l?annonce officielle faite ? Lagos. > Bravo et F?licitation ! > > Bien cordialement > Benny MBOKO > > De : Felix Otiato [mailto:felix.otiato at afrinic.net] > Envoy? : jeudi 15 mars 2018 13:18 > ? : community-discuss at afrinic.net > Objet : [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict > > Dear Christophe, > > Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date; > > ??1. All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard > ??2. The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic > ??3. We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French > ??4. The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018 > ??5. A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready > ??6. We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018. > Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese. > > For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO > > ????????????????.. > > Cher Christophe, > > Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?. > > Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet : > > ??1. Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. > ??2. Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe. > ??3. Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. > ??4. Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018. > ??5. Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018. > ??6. Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018. > Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais. > > Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC > > Kind Regards, > > Felix Otiato, > Head of Communications & PR, > AFRINIC Ltd. > t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net > facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict > Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400 > To: community-discuss > > > Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, > > Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? > > Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. > > AFRINIC CEO, > > Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? > > We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. > > -- > KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA > Contr?leur des douanes > Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information > Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et > Accises > DRC > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the IT101 Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.it101.be > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the IT101 Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.it101.be > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:36:11 +0000 > From: Patrick Lumumba > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bonjour la communaut? > > Nous ne pouvons pas tout ? fait garder le silence lorsque d'autres ont ?t? > harcel?s depuis si longtemps que des coll?gues qui se plaignent ont > toujours ?t? harcel?s, car d'autres ont d?j? quitt? l'organisation. > > Il y a toujours cette interf?rence par certains membres du conseil > d'administration dans les questions d'exploitation de l'organisation, mais > nous avons un chef de la direction et une ?quipe de direction. > > Je ne sais pas si notre PDG demande de l'aide aux membres du conseil > d'administration pour r?soudre les probl?mes de personnel, ou bien ils le > forcent ? le trahir contre son propre personnel et ? promettre des > promotions ? certains membres du personnel. > > Le contenu des messages de chat est tr?s vrai et clair et les dits > directeurs du conseil ont partag? les chats et les captures d'?cran avec le > membre du personnel et m?me si nous avons peur de nous manifester, nous > savons ce qui se passe. D?j? nous sommes menac?s parce que nous serons > vir?s par M. Patrisse. > > 1. Mais la preuve de ces captures d'?cran devrait ?tre admissible au cours > de l'enqu?te, car cela ne vient pas d'un endroit inconnu et le pr?sident > lui-m?me le sait. > > 2. L'all?gation de harc?lement de la part du personnel masculin doit ?tre > prise au s?rieux car aucun membre du personnel ne doit intimider ou ?tre > au-dessus des autres membres du personnel m?me si ce sont des directeurs > financiers, ils ne doivent pas harceler les autres. > > 3. Mais en AFRIQUE, la politique aura pr?s?ance comme si les femmes se > plaignaient et la prochaine chose que nous saurons, rien ne se passera et > la situation continuera et nous vivrons tous afrinic un par un quand un > meilleur travail surviendra. > > si pas de place pour explication seulement harc?lement > > Merci > Patrick Lumumba > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mirriam > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net, Lucky Masilela > ???????? > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work > ????????environment at AFRINIC" > Message-ID: <1787134629.1136862.1521128660924 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Lucky > Thanks for the update. > Just asking, will business continue as usual with the chairman and vice-chairman continuing with their roles Or they intend to step aside in light of these allegations to pave way for the investigations? > Good governance would call for the latter. > MirriamLadies In Tech > > ????On Thursday, March 15, 2018, 12:38:43 AM GMT+3, Lucky Masilela wrote: > > ?Dear AFRINIC Community > > Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. > > We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. > > Regards, > > Lucky Masilela > > Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:15:42 +0300 > From: Lydia Akiriza > To: Lucky Masilela > Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work > ????????environment at AFRINIC" > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Lucky for the update. > > +++ Miriam, I am pondering the same thing. Allegations have been made and > yes an independent committee appointed to carry out further investigations > to this effect-- will those "accused" continue in their respective posts > while under investigations or do they intend-- in all humility to step down > as these independent committee investigations are being carried out? > > You call upon the community to handle this issue with the "sensitivity it > deserves"(and you are right to do so as these are grave accusations) so > kindly affirm, that the same is being done by the board--- as well as those > affected. > > Blessings. > > On 15 Mar 2018 12:38 a.m., "Lucky Masilela" > wrote: > > Dear AFRINIC Community > > Certain allegations have been made against AFRINIC staff and Directors and > in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to > appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these > allegations and report on this matter. The Board further resolved to > request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be > applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from > the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. > > We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments > and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity > it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. > > Regards, > > Lucky Masilela > > Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:26:42 +0200 > From: Mark Tinka > To: Evelyn Namara , DANIEL NANGHAKA > ???????? > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > Message-ID: <6018570f-9e60-8c39-622d-39b6a3d19644 at seacom.mu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that > seek answers from an independent investigation based on these > allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the > upcoming gathering in Dakar next month. > > To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC > Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by > the community. > > Mark. > > On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: >> ?Dear all, >> >> ?As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations >> ?especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. >> ?In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to >> ?speak out boldly against this. >> >> ?Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women >> ?at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. >> >> ?That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the >> ?investigations. >> >> ?Kind Regards, >> >> ?On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > ?> wrote: >> >> ?????There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a >> ?????critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.? >> >> ?????I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean >> ?????our board. >> >> ?????On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege >> ?????> >> ?????wrote: >> >> ?????????Thanks >> >> ?????????I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.? >> ?????????Even CEO should wait for board. >> >> ?????????Sent from my iPhone >> >> ?????????> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >> ?????????> >> ?????????wrote: >> ?????????> >> ?????????> Dear Badru, >> ?????????> >> ?????????> My response was from me as CEO. >> ?????????> >> ?????????> Alan Barrett >> ?????????> >> >> ?????????_______________________________________________ >> ?????????Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?????????Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ????????? >> ?????????https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> ????????? >> >> ?????-- >> ?????? >> ?????Regards >> ?????Nanghaka Daniel K. >> ?????Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community >> ?????Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - >> ?????FOSS4G2018 >> ?????Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> ?????Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ?????----------------------------------------- /"Working for Africa" >> ?????/----------------------------------------- >> >> ?????_______________________________________________ >> ?????Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?????Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?????https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> ????? >> >> ?-- >> ?Evelyn Namara >> >> ?Phone: +256754440893 >> ?Skype: enamara >> ?Twitter: enamara > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:07:03 +0000 > From: Badru Ntege > To: Owen DeLong , DANIEL NANGHAKA > ???????? > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > Message-ID: > ????????<89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A570255095C28 at NFT-P-EX2.nftconsult.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > @Owen > > in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are actually separating electrons and producing plasmas"..... > > We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they are exonerated. > > The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is investigated. > > ?There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period. > We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare. > > Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded both should be treated equally. > > For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the investigations are concluded. That's good governance. > > regards > > ________________________________ > From: Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM > To: DANIEL NANGHAKA > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > > This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. > > You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. > > Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. > > In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. > > The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. > > Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. > > Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. > > I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. > > Owen > > On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: > > There cannot be smoke without fire. > [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZG5kYW5uYW5nQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=58e9d020-d5fd-4da9-8d80-3e191f12c131]? > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein > wrote: > @Badru > > I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement. > > There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment. > > Regards > > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > Skype: abu-jomo > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle > > Sent from my iPad > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > > @Ali > > This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board. > > Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. > > If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about. > > Our organization must be protected above any individuals. > > Deep down I hope these are just allegations. > > Maybe governance committee should comment. > > But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein > wrote: > > @Badru > > Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. > > At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. > > Regards > > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > Skype: abu-jomo > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle > > Sent from my iPad > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: > > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > Thanks > > I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: >> >> ?Dear Badru, >> >> ?My response was from me as CEO. >> >> ?Alan Barrett > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:15:58 +0000 (GMT) > From: Wale Adedokun > To: community-discuss , rpd > ????????, afnog > Cc: 2018 NomCom Activities > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board- > ????????Period Extension > Message-ID: > ????????<1504341257.203437.1521152158313.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear AFRINIC Community, > This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Board has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. > > Thank you. > > NomCom 2018 > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:17:36 +0000 (GMT) > From: Wale Adedokun > To: community-discuss , rpd > ????????, afnog > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations: AFRINIC Policy > ????????Development Appeal Committee-Period Extension > Message-ID: > ????????<728711835.203444.1521152256160.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear AFRINIC COmmunity, > This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. > > Thank you. > > NomCom 2018 > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:19:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: Wale Adedokun > To: community-discuss , rpd > ????????, afnog > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance > ????????Committee (GC) Members: Period Extension > Message-ID: > ????????<499884281.203449.1521152368348.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear AFRINIC Community, > This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. > > Thank you. > > NomCom 2018 > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:21:27 +0000 (GMT) > From: Wale Adedokun > To: community-discuss , rpd > ????????, afnog > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the > ????????Policy Development Working Group-Period Extension > Message-ID: > ????????<1798222401.203452.1521152487276.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear AFRINIC Community, > This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. > > Thank you. > > NomCom 2018 > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:10:59 +0000 (UTC) > From: Uffa Modey > To: "lmasilela at registry.net.za" , > ????????"community-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work > ????????environment at AFRINIC" > Message-ID: <1323988214.1740601.1521191459485 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Good day Mr Lucky. Thanks for the update on this issue. > > As a newbie and an emerging young female in the Afrinic community, I was very upset to learn about these accusations considering that I look up to all the parties involved ( both the accused and the accuser) as asteemed Afrinic community leaders. > > However, despite the fact that we all agree that this is an extremely serious issue, I fail to see any strong and intentional steps being taken by Afrinic to properly address this issue. I understand that due process must be followed but can we not imagine the disgrace it will be to our dearest RIR if this issue got blown out of proportion and it is seen that we as a community didn't address it with the urgency and seriousness it required? > > The shared document was quite verbal and with the numerous campaigns going on both online and offline at the moment globally, it will definitely not be ignored once it is accessed by the rest of the world considering the positions of the individuals involved and the organisation involved (AFRINIC). > > Please we need to take more drastic steps to address this issue with the urgency it deserves. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ??On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 9:38 PM, Lucky Masilela wrote: Dear AFRINIC Community > > Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. > > We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. > > Regards, > > Lucky Masilela > > Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:37 +0000 > From: Edward Lawrence > To: Mark Tinka , Evelyn Namara > ????????, DANIEL NANGHAKA > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > Message-ID: > ????????<1FA46458C5CDFD43B952465255789E2301F8057548 at ex1.workonline.co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 > > Edward Lawrence > Director - Business Development > Workonline Communications (Pty) Ltd > Head office: +27 (0)21 200 9000 > ZA mobile: +27 (0)79 656 7642 > UK mobile: +44 (0)744 616 4104 > > [Workonline Communications] > > [WOLsept2016] > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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When addressed to Workonline Communications clients, any opinion or advice contained in this e-mail is subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any non disclosure agreement or service provision agreement. > > From: Mark Tinka > Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2018 5:27 PM > To: Evelyn Namara ; DANIEL NANGHAKA > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > > I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that seek answers from an independent investigation based on these allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the upcoming gathering in Dakar next month. > > To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by the community. > > Mark. > On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: > Dear all, > As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. > Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. > That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations. > Kind Regards, > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: > There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. > > I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. > > On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: > Thanks > > I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: >> >> ?Dear Badru, >> >> ?My response was from me as CEO. >> >> ?Alan Barrett > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > Regards > Nanghaka Daniel K. > Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 > Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) > Skype: daniel.nanghaka > > ----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > Evelyn Namara > Phone: +256754440893 > Skype: enamara > Twitter: enamara > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 6746 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image003.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 17707 bytes > Desc: image003.jpg > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 278, Issue 1 > ************************************************* --? KANGAMUTIMA? ZABIKA Contr?leur des douanes Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et Accises DRC From funga.roho at yandex.com Sat Mar 17 13:20:30 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:20:30 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279, Issue 1 References: Message-ID: <3743811521292830@web20j.yandex.ru> Chers membres de la communaut?, Une situation calamiteuse s'est produite avec cette affaire de lourdes all?gations harc?lements et autres. Moi je pense aussi que comme des telles accusations p?sent sur des membres du conseil d'administration et celles-ci ont ?t? port? ? la connaissance de la communaut? par un cadre d'AFRINIC, il sied de laisser la justice faire correctement son travail et tir? cette affaire au clair. Je vois mal le conseil d'administration d?signait une commission d'enqu?te dite ind?pendante pendant l'un de ses membres et non le moindre, est formellement accus? (malgr? sa d?mission). il y a aura l? clairement un conflit d'int?r?t. Je ne sais pas non plus dans l'arsenal juridiques d'Afrinic s'il y a un texte qui pr?voit les modalit?s de d?signation d'une telle commission dans pareil cas? Il serait aussi pr?matur? de juger de la qualit? d'une preuve ou pas. Certains ?l?ments accompagnant un dossier d'accusation peuvent ?tre retenus comme un d?but de preuve (devant ?tre corrobor? par une preuve formelle). Il est tr?s difficile de d?canter une affaire portant sur la moralit? parceque beaucoup des preuves sont soit difficile ? produire et d'autres immat?riels. En plus, il sied non seulement d'enqu?ter sur ces all?gations mais aussi sur l'ensemble des autres potentiels victimes travaillant au sein de l'organisation incrimin?e. Si les soup?ons pesant sur les personnes incrimin?s ?taient av?r?es, il s'agirait de savoir s'il s'agissait d'actes individuels ou une suite d'actes men?s dans le cadre d'une entreprise criminelle, s'agit il d'un syst?me entretenu par le r?gime de la peur et des menaces? Les m?mes questions se poseront aussi pour les accusateurs, afin de v?rifier toutes leurs all?gations, v?rifier le mobile du crime le cas ?ch?ant, les motivations des accusateurs? J'en d?duis qu'il s'agit d'un cas qui fera jurisprudence et qu'il sied de mettre tout en oeuvre pour une r?solution juste de cette affaire. Kangamutima From funga.roho at yandex.com Sat Mar 17 13:25:25 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:25:25 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3751601521293125@web20j.yandex.ru> Concernant l'aspect confidentialit?, je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec Andrew, dura lex sed lex. Les r?gles sont faites pour ?tre respect? par tous de la m?me mani?re. Le fait que le Pr?sident du Conseil d'Administration ait d?missionn? (s'est d?port?) suite aux soup?ons pesant sur lui et afin de laisser l'enqu?te clarifier la lanterne de tous, ne le d?douane pas du fait qu'il a quasiment avou? avoir empi?ter sur le devoir de r?serve lui d?volu par ses fonctions par rapport aux conversations confidentielles tenues au sein du conseil d'administration, son d?part devrait surtout relever de la sanction pr?vue par les textes que de sa propre volont?. Kangamutima From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Sat Mar 17 14:27:10 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:27:10 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: > On 17 Mar 2018, at 00:53, Badru Ntege wrote: > > And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved. I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC. You are welcome to reiterate that allegations have been made, or to comment on what should be done. But if you claim that the accusations are true, as you did, then I expect you to have evidence, and I call on you to reveal the evidence during the investigation. If you don?t have evidence then you should not have made the claims. Alan Barrett From rbiramah at ipi9.com Sat Mar 17 15:04:10 2018 From: rbiramah at ipi9.com (Raz BIRAMAH) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:04:10 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Dears, Does anyone have an idea on the process of selection of the independent/external investigation commission regarding this situation? When and how can we have more information about? Thanks, Raz B. iPi9 > Le 17 mars 2018 ? 15:27, Alan Barrett a ?crit : > > > >> On 17 Mar 2018, at 00:53, Badru Ntege wrote: >> >> And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved. > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >> Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC. > > You are welcome to reiterate that allegations have been made, or to comment on what should be done. But if you claim that the accusations are true, as you did, then I expect you to have evidence, and I call on you to reveal the evidence during the investigation. If you don?t have evidence then you should not have made the claims. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Members-Discuss mailing list > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Sat Mar 17 15:24:56 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <32FCC5A4-8AA0-4230-BECF-59B5F4ED28EE@afrinic.net> > On 17 Mar 2018, at 11:04, Raz BIRAMAH wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea on the process of selection of the independent/external investigation commission regarding this situation? When and how can we have more information about? The Board has asked the Governance Committee to draft terms of reference and to appoint an investigation committee, as was announced a few days ago. See Board resolution 201803.391 . I expect that the Governance Committee will report in due course. Alan Barrett From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sat Mar 17 17:57:55 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:57:55 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> , Message-ID: <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett wrote: > >> > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee Regards. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Members-Discuss mailing list > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss From ali at hussein.me.ke Sat Mar 17 18:39:44 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:39:44 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: All I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- 1. The committee is publicly announced. 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. I believe Lucky has articulated this well. Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > >> > > > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour > and/or accusations without due process. > > Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually > internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision > guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not > persecution but best practice. > > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and > containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue > seriously > > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature > for the committee > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Members-Discuss mailing list > > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wale at forum.org.ng Sat Mar 17 19:08:27 2018 From: wale at forum.org.ng (Wale Adedokun) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:08:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <1367255432.206505.1521313707244.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> +1 @husseinEspecially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect.WaleWale Adedokun PhDEvent CoordinatorNigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)2348037035811wale at forum.org.ng ----- Ali Hussein wrote: >All I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- 1. The committee is publicly announced.2. Their TORs spelled out for the community.3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. I believe Lucky has articulated this well. Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. RegardsAli > HusseinPrincipalAHK & Associates > > Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim > >Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,Chiromo Road, Westlands,Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > >> > > > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Members-Discuss mailing list > > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list >Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com Sat Mar 17 19:27:24 2018 From: Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com (Ben Roberts) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:27:24 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <1367255432.206505.1521313707244.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> , <1367255432.206505.1521313707244.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> Message-ID: <42E09CBA-14D7-4DCC-8A62-250ADDA47097@liquidtelecom.com> I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate now and wait for the investigation From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial information in this debate. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun > wrote: +1 @hussein Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect. Wale Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng ----- Ali Hussein > wrote: > All I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- 1. The committee is publicly announced. 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. I believe Lucky has articulated this well. Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. Regards Ali > Hussein Principal AHK & Associates > > Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > > >> > > > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Members-Discuss mailing list > > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list >Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > _______________________________________________ Members-Discuss mailing list Members-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Sat Mar 17 19:34:20 2018 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:34:20 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 to Andrew Dear Community *PS: Writing in my personal capacity.* 1. Firstly, may I remind the community and membership that in Tunis in 2015, the same issues of violation of NDA sufficed and our board at the time went ahead to ask the affected former board members to step down and they both did. As such, I think "*No double standards*" should apply in the situation of Mr.Folayani considering the fact that the former chairman has openly admitted to having shared the sensitive information with a third party whatever his intentions where moreover a staff who doesn't even seat on the board. Like Andrew Alston has stated, *RULE ARE RULES* and they should apply to everyone and Mr.Folayani is guilty as charged in this regard with or without an investigation as he already admitted anyway. 2. On another note, since Mr.Folayani has since stepped down, do we have a new chairman of the board from the team? Can the board update the membership to this regard. Cheers, Noah On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:01 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Former Chair, > > > > I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little > disturbed. > > > > Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the > investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find > alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly > diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the > last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen > to ignore what has been stated so clearly. > > > > I draw attention to this part of your email: > > > > *I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which > should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the > intention was. * > > Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you > signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what > was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat > between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board > meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC > business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as > chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as > a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third > party. > > > > In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: > > > > Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; *Information discussed within > the Board* should not be disclosed to third parties without Board > approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the > Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not > under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the > public domain. > > > > Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the > board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared > ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged > information and that discussion can be very much considered information > discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. > > > > A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, > Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then > chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather > than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in > the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent > happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now > hold yourself to a different standard. > > > > I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I > wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing > this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the > application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply > to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing > now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to > be. > > > > Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > *From:* Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 16 March 2018 17:38 > *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > members-discuss at afrinic.net > *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > > > Dear members and the Community, > > > Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious > and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and > represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. > > I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of > the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised > further. > > While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, > and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge > that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been > treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. > > It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of > the investigations on the harassment claims. > > May I most respectfully request that we await the independent > investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the > community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member > of the community. > > I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the > Board. > > I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being > served for all, on the matter. > > With Kind Regards .... > > Sunday Folayan. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- *./noah* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sun Mar 18 05:03:34 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:03:34 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <42E09CBA-14D7-4DCC-8A62-250ADDA47097@liquidtelecom.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> , <1367255432.206505.1521313707244.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>, <42E09CBA-14D7-4DCC-8A62-250ADDA47097@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: <342C5C5B-47CC-4A92-8E5B-F17C90E98FAC@nftconsult.com> We have a number of issues on the table based on information posted on this list that members beleive should have gotten swift action on Tuesday. I?m not sure about the mud slinging being referred to here. To most people these are issues key to the organization. There has also been reference to elders else where. Yes I know the Genesis of this and beleive if we do not put appropriate pressure now to the relevant stakeholders it would be a disservice to the organization which is bigger than any one individual. Nothing new apart from the community outcry emerged before chair did the needful. I Do not understand and I may never understand those who wish members to keep silent when we put up the mailing list for them to share their views about their organization Regards Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:51, Ben Roberts > wrote: I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate now and wait for the investigation >From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial information in this debate. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun > wrote: +1 @hussein Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect. Wale Wale Adedokun PhD Event Coordinator Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) 2348037035811 wale at forum.org.ng ----- Ali Hussein > wrote: > All I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- 1. The committee is publicly announced. 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. I believe Lucky has articulated this well. Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. Regards Ali > Hussein Principal AHK & Associates > > Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett > wrote: > > > >> > > > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Members-Discuss mailing list > > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list >Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > _______________________________________________ Members-Discuss mailing list Members-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only that way can we emerge stronger from this situation. Again: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. 2018-03-16 21:00 GMT+00:00 Lydia Akiriza : > ++1 > > On 15 Mar 2018 22:06, "Badru Ntege" wrote: > >> @Owen >> >> >> in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a >> case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair >> shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO >> needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be >> shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are >> actually separating electrons and producing plasmas"..... >> >> >> We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some >> clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the >> board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they >> are exonerated. >> >> >> The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that >> the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is >> investigated. >> >> >> There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period. >> >> We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare. >> >> >> Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have >> an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an >> accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded >> both should be treated equally. >> >> >> For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have >> nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the >> investigations are concluded. That's good governance. >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com] >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM >> *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA >> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> >> This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. >> >> You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in >> smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses >> and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating >> electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with >> an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. >> >> Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. >> >> In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains >> completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on >> this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. >> >> The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist >> the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. >> There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, >> harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. >> >> Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to >> the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. >> >> Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be >> seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. >> >> I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but >> I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. >> >> Owen >> >> On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >> >> There cannot be smoke without fire. >> ? >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein wrote: >> >>> @Badru >>> >>> I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. >>> He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be >>> fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a >>> Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that >>> Committee must issue a statement. >>> >>> There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate >>> Governance environment. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> *Ali Hussein* >>> *Principal* >>> *Hussein & Associates* >>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> >>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>> a habit." ~ Aristotle >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege >>> wrote: >>> >>> @Ali >>> >>> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our >>> elected Board. >>> >>> Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. >>> >>> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. >>> That?s what accountability is about. >>> >>> Our organization must be protected above any individuals. >>> >>> Deep down I hope these are just allegations. >>> >>> Maybe governance committee should comment. >>> >>> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way >>> forward. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: >>> >>> @Badru >>> >>> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. >>> The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast >>> aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the >>> organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the >>> organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the >>> organization?s mandate and good name. >>> >>> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> *Ali Hussein* >>> *Principal* >>> *Hussein & Associates* >>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> >>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>> a habit." ~ Aristotle >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >>> >>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical >>> review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >>> >>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our >>> board. >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >>>> should wait for board. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Dear Badru, >>>> > >>>> > My response was from me as CEO. >>>> > >>>> > Alan Barrett >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards >>> Nanghaka Daniel K. >>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - >>> ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >>> Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda) >>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- * "Working for Africa" * >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Nanghaka Daniel K. >> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - >> ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> Mobile +256 772 898298 <+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda) >> Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Borg le Chevalier ___________________________________ "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s a > community mailing list let?s allow the community to openly express their > sentiments. > pronounce guilt at allegation when you are not judge is not show of leadership. thank you for showing better leadership INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. --- i think that is principle you won't argue -- Borg le Chevalier ___________________________________ "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But > that does not prevent people to make up their own conclusion based on what > they know and have read in public. > Yes! Everyone can and is making their own conclusion. To keep those conclusion to themselves until full investigation is made is the responsible thing to do. You claim to be leader, leader don't pass judgement until they are sure person is guilty. If you really do want to help this community, you will respect it wish to follow due process in this and that mean INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY We are counting on you to show leadership as you demand of board. -- Borg le Chevalier ___________________________________ "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is wrong, harrasmemt of any nature should never be tolerated in the work place so to speak Afrinic Mirriam Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:47 AM, Chevalier du Borg wrote: _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Name: Untitled URL: From funga.roho at yandex.com Mon Mar 19 08:50:44 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:50:44 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 280, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555221521449444@web42g.yandex.ru> A mon avis, une commission d'enqu?te ind?pendante embauch?e par le comit? de gouvernance ne peut garantir l'impartialit? requise dans cette affaire. Pour moi, si on en peut recourir ? une juridiction formelle, on peut alors recourir ? une court d'arbitrage afin que les demandeurs et les d?fendeurs aient la possibilit? de choisir chacun un membre plus un membre d?sign? par la justice. Parce qu'? suppos? que ladite commission d?couvrait que certains membres du comit? de gouvernance ?taient aussi impliqu?s ou que d'autres membres du conseil d'administration ?taient impliqu?s au titre de complice, co-auteur dans la commission du d?lit sous enqu?te, auront ils assez d'impartialit? pour d?noncer dans leur rapport l'un ou les membres de l'organe qui leur a d?sign? comme enqu?teur (m?me si les prestations sont ? titre gratuit)? je pr?cise que mes propos concernent les all?gations pour harc?lement sexuel et moral. Concernant, la divulgation d'informations confidentielles, je suis tout ? fait d'accord qu'une commission d'enqu?te ind?pendante d?sign?e par le comit? de gouvernance enqu?te l? dessus. Il se posera peut ?tre un probl?me du fait que les 2 affaires sont li?es. Kangamutima In my opinion, an independent commission of inquiry hired by the Governance Committee can not guarantee the impartiality required in this case. For me, if we can resort to a formal jurisdiction, we can then resort to a court of arbitration so that the plaintiffs and the defendants have the opportunity to choose each a member plus a member appointed by the court. Because on the assumption that the said commission discovered that some members of the governance committee were also involved or that other members of the board of directors were implicated as accomplices, co-perpetrators in the commission of the offense under investigation, will they have enough impartiality to denounce in their report a member or members of the body that appointed them as an investigator (even if the benefits are free of charge)? I say that my comments concern allegations of sexual and moral harassment. Regarding the disclosure of confidential information, I completely agree that an independent commission of inquiry appointed by the Governance Committee is investigating that. It will arise may be a problem because the 2 cases are related. KANGAMUTIMA 18.03.2018, 13:01, "community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" : > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > ????????community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ????????https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ????????community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ????????community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > ???1. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 278, Issue 1 > ??????(Kangamutima zabika Christophe) > ???2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279, Issue 1 > ??????(Kangamutima zabika Christophe) > ???3. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279, Issue 1 > ??????(Kangamutima zabika Christophe) > ???4. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Alan Barrett) > ???5. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Raz BIRAMAH) > ???6. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Alan Barrett) > ???7. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Badru Ntege) > ???8. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Ali Hussein) > ???9. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Wale Adedokun) > ??10. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Ben Roberts) > ??11. Re: Allegation of Harassment (Noah) > ??12. Re: [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment (Badru Ntege) > ??13. Re: Complaint from staff member (Chevalier du Borg) > ??14. Re: Allegation of Harassment (Chevalier du Borg) > ??15. Re: Allegation of Harassment (Chevalier du Borg) > ??16. Re: Allegation of Harassment (Chevalier du Borg) > ??17. Re: Allegation of Harassment (Badru Ntege) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:38:38 +0100 > From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 278, > ????????Issue 1 > Message-ID: <11659651521290318 at web4g.yandex.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Monsieur Felix Otiato, > > Je salue le travail abattu par vos ?quipes. Il s'av?re qu'il s'agit d'une t?che hercul?enne que vous et votre ?quipe est entrain d'accomplir. J'ose esp?rer qu'en avril 2018 l'ensemble du site traduit sera disponible pour les locuteurs francophones et arabophones. n?anmoins, concernant le forum de discussion, vous devez avoir remarqu? comme moi que les caract?res sp?ciaux et ponctuations ?cris lors d'un post fait en fran?ais ne s'affichent pas (accents, signes de ponctuation, etc.) rendant la lecture moins confortable et la compr?hension du message plus fastidieuse, pourriez vous rajoutez cette requ?te parmi celles ? soumettre ? votre ?quipe. > > Merci > > 16.03.2018, 13:01, "community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" : >> ?Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> ?????????community-discuss at afrinic.net >> >> ?To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> ?????????https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> ?or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ?????????community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> >> ?You can reach the person managing the list at >> ?????????community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net >> >> ?When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> ?than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> ?Today's Topics: >> >> ????1. Traduction du verdict (Felix Otiato) >> ????2. Re: Traduction du verdict (Benny.MBOKO at arpce.cg) >> ????3. Re: Complaint from staff member (Patrick Lumumba) >> ????4. Re: Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" >> ???????(Mirriam) >> ????5. Re: Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" >> ???????(Lydia Akiriza) >> ????6. Re: Complaint from staff member (Mark Tinka) >> ????7. Re: Complaint from staff member (Badru Ntege) >> ????8. Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board- Period Extension >> ???????(Wale Adedokun) >> ????9. Call for Nominations: AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal >> ???????Committee-Period Extension (Wale Adedokun) >> ???10. Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) >> ???????Members: Period Extension (Wale Adedokun) >> ???11. Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development >> ???????Working Group-Period Extension (Wale Adedokun) >> ???12. Re: Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" >> ???????(Uffa Modey) >> ???13. Re: Complaint from staff member (Edward Lawrence) >> >> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ?Message: 1 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:17:42 +0400 >> ?From: Felix Otiato >> ?To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >> ?Message-ID: <486E0E55-C97E-4B48-A9F0-C197D9D6D3C8 at afrinic.net> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?Dear Christophe, >> >> ?Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date; >> ?All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard >> ?The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic >> ?We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French >> ?The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018 >> ?A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready >> ?We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018. >> ?Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese. >> >> ?For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO >> >> ?????????????????.. >> >> ?Cher Christophe, >> >> ?Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?. >> >> ?Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet : >> ?Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. >> ?Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe. >> ?Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. >> ?Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018. >> ?Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018. >> ?Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018. >> ?Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais. >> >> ?Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC >> >> ?Kind Regards, >> >> ?Felix Otiato, >> ?Head of Communications & PR, >> ?AFRINIC Ltd. >> ?t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net >> ?facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia >> >>>> ??Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> ??From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > >>>> ??Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >>>> ??Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400 >>>> ??To: community-discuss > >>>> >>>> ??Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, >>>> >>>> ??Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? >>>> >>>> ??Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. >>>> >>>> ??AFRINIC CEO, >>>> >>>> ??Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? >>>> >>>> ??We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. >>>> >>>> ??-- >>>> ??KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA >>>> ??Contr?leur des douanes >>>> ??Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information >>>> ??Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et >>>> ??Accises >>>> ??DRC >>>> >>>> ??_______________________________________________ >>>> ??Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> ??Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> ??https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 2 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:39:05 +0000 >> ?From: >> ?To: , >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >> ?Message-ID: >> ????????? >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?Bonjour ? tous, >> ?C?est une tr?s bonne nouvelle. Nous l?attendions depuis l?annonce officielle faite ? Lagos. >> ?Bravo et F?licitation ! >> >> ?Bien cordialement >> ?Benny MBOKO >> >> ?De : Felix Otiato [mailto:felix.otiato at afrinic.net] >> ?Envoy? : jeudi 15 mars 2018 13:18 >> ?? : community-discuss at afrinic.net >> ?Objet : [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >> >> ?Dear Christophe, >> >> ?Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date; >> >> ???1. All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard >> ???2. The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic >> ???3. We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French >> ???4. The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018 >> ???5. A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready >> ???6. We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018. >> ?Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese. >> >> ?For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO >> >> ?????????????????.. >> >> ?Cher Christophe, >> >> ?Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?. >> >> ?Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet : >> >> ???1. Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. >> ???2. Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe. >> ???3. Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais. >> ???4. Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018. >> ???5. Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018. >> ???6. Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018. >> ?Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais. >> >> ?Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC >> >> ?Kind Regards, >> >> ?Felix Otiato, >> ?Head of Communications & PR, >> ?AFRINIC Ltd. >> ?t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net >> ?facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia >> >> ?Begin forwarded message: >> >> ?From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > >> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict >> ?Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400 >> ?To: community-discuss > >> >> ?Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC, >> >> ?Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic? >> >> ?Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire. >> >> ?AFRINIC CEO, >> >> ?Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website? >> >> ?We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile. >> >> ?-- >> ?KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA >> ?Contr?leur des douanes >> ?Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information >> ?Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et >> ?Accises >> ?DRC >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?______________________________________________________________________ >> ?This email has been scanned by the IT101 Email Security System. >> ?For more information please visit http://www.it101.be >> ?______________________________________________________________________ >> >> ?______________________________________________________________________ >> ?This email has been scanned by the IT101 Email Security System. >> ?For more information please visit http://www.it101.be >> ?______________________________________________________________________ >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 3 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:36:11 +0000 >> ?From: Patrick Lumumba >> ?To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> ?Message-ID: >> ????????? >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?Bonjour la communaut? >> >> ?Nous ne pouvons pas tout ? fait garder le silence lorsque d'autres ont ?t? >> ?harcel?s depuis si longtemps que des coll?gues qui se plaignent ont >> ?toujours ?t? harcel?s, car d'autres ont d?j? quitt? l'organisation. >> >> ?Il y a toujours cette interf?rence par certains membres du conseil >> ?d'administration dans les questions d'exploitation de l'organisation, mais >> ?nous avons un chef de la direction et une ?quipe de direction. >> >> ?Je ne sais pas si notre PDG demande de l'aide aux membres du conseil >> ?d'administration pour r?soudre les probl?mes de personnel, ou bien ils le >> ?forcent ? le trahir contre son propre personnel et ? promettre des >> ?promotions ? certains membres du personnel. >> >> ?Le contenu des messages de chat est tr?s vrai et clair et les dits >> ?directeurs du conseil ont partag? les chats et les captures d'?cran avec le >> ?membre du personnel et m?me si nous avons peur de nous manifester, nous >> ?savons ce qui se passe. D?j? nous sommes menac?s parce que nous serons >> ?vir?s par M. Patrisse. >> >> ?1. Mais la preuve de ces captures d'?cran devrait ?tre admissible au cours >> ?de l'enqu?te, car cela ne vient pas d'un endroit inconnu et le pr?sident >> ?lui-m?me le sait. >> >> ?2. L'all?gation de harc?lement de la part du personnel masculin doit ?tre >> ?prise au s?rieux car aucun membre du personnel ne doit intimider ou ?tre >> ?au-dessus des autres membres du personnel m?me si ce sont des directeurs >> ?financiers, ils ne doivent pas harceler les autres. >> >> ?3. Mais en AFRIQUE, la politique aura pr?s?ance comme si les femmes se >> ?plaignaient et la prochaine chose que nous saurons, rien ne se passera et >> ?la situation continuera et nous vivrons tous afrinic un par un quand un >> ?meilleur travail surviendra. >> >> ?si pas de place pour explication seulement harc?lement >> >> ?Merci >> ?Patrick Lumumba >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 4 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC) >> ?From: Mirriam >> ?To: community-discuss at afrinic.net, Lucky Masilela >> ????????? >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work >> ?????????environment at AFRINIC" >> ?Message-ID: <1787134629.1136862.1521128660924 at mail.yahoo.com> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?Dear Lucky >> ?Thanks for the update. >> ?Just asking, will business continue as usual with the chairman and vice-chairman continuing with their roles Or they intend to step aside in light of these allegations to pave way for the investigations? >> ?Good governance would call for the latter. >> ?MirriamLadies In Tech >> >> ?????On Thursday, March 15, 2018, 12:38:43 AM GMT+3, Lucky Masilela wrote: >> >> ??Dear AFRINIC Community >> >> ?Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. >> >> ?We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. >> >> ?Regards, >> >> ?Lucky Masilela >> >> ?Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 5 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:15:42 +0300 >> ?From: Lydia Akiriza >> ?To: Lucky Masilela >> ?Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work >> ?????????environment at AFRINIC" >> ?Message-ID: >> ????????? >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?Thank you Lucky for the update. >> >> ?+++ Miriam, I am pondering the same thing. Allegations have been made and >> ?yes an independent committee appointed to carry out further investigations >> ?to this effect-- will those "accused" continue in their respective posts >> ?while under investigations or do they intend-- in all humility to step down >> ?as these independent committee investigations are being carried out? >> >> ?You call upon the community to handle this issue with the "sensitivity it >> ?deserves"(and you are right to do so as these are grave accusations) so >> ?kindly affirm, that the same is being done by the board--- as well as those >> ?affected. >> >> ?Blessings. >> >> ?On 15 Mar 2018 12:38 a.m., "Lucky Masilela" >> ?wrote: >> >> ?Dear AFRINIC Community >> >> ?Certain allegations have been made against AFRINIC staff and Directors and >> ?in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to >> ?appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these >> ?allegations and report on this matter. The Board further resolved to >> ?request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be >> ?applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from >> ?the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. >> >> ?We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments >> ?and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity >> ?it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. >> >> ?Regards, >> >> ?Lucky Masilela >> >> ?Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 6 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:26:42 +0200 >> ?From: Mark Tinka >> ?To: Evelyn Namara , DANIEL NANGHAKA >> ????????? >> ?Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> ?Message-ID: <6018570f-9e60-8c39-622d-39b6a3d19644 at seacom.mu> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that >> ?seek answers from an independent investigation based on these >> ?allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the >> ?upcoming gathering in Dakar next month. >> >> ?To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC >> ?Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by >> ?the community. >> >> ?Mark. >> >> ?On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: >>> ??Dear all, >>> >>> ??As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations >>> ??especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. >>> ??In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to >>> ??speak out boldly against this. >>> >>> ??Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women >>> ??at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. >>> >>> ??That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the >>> ??investigations. >>> >>> ??Kind Regards, >>> >>> ??On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA >> ??> wrote: >>> >>> ??????There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a >>> ??????critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.? >>> >>> ??????I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean >>> ??????our board. >>> >>> ??????On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege >>> ??????> >>> ??????wrote: >>> >>> ??????????Thanks >>> >>> ??????????I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.? >>> ??????????Even CEO should wait for board. >>> >>> ??????????Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ??????????> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >>> ??????????> >>> ??????????wrote: >>> ??????????> >>> ??????????> Dear Badru, >>> ??????????> >>> ??????????> My response was from me as CEO. >>> ??????????> >>> ??????????> Alan Barrett >>> ??????????> >>> >>> ??????????_______________________________________________ >>> ??????????Community-Discuss mailing list >>> ??????????Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> ?????????? >>> ??????????https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> ?????????? >>> >>> ??????-- >>> ??????? >>> ??????Regards >>> ??????Nanghaka Daniel K. >>> ??????Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community >>> ??????Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - >>> ??????FOSS4G2018 >>> ??????Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >>> ??????Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>> >>> ??????----------------------------------------- /"Working for Africa" >>> ??????/----------------------------------------- >>> >>> ??????_______________________________________________ >>> ??????Community-Discuss mailing list >>> ??????Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> ??????https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> ?????? >>> >>> ??-- >>> ??Evelyn Namara >>> >>> ??Phone: +256754440893 >>> ??Skype: enamara >>> ??Twitter: enamara >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 7 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:07:03 +0000 >> ?From: Badru Ntege >> ?To: Owen DeLong , DANIEL NANGHAKA >> ????????? >> ?Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> ?Message-ID: >> ?????????<89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A570255095C28 at NFT-P-EX2.nftconsult.com> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?@Owen >> >> ?in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are actually separating electrons and producing plasmas"..... >> >> ?We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they are exonerated. >> >> ?The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is investigated. >> >> ??There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period. >> ?We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare. >> >> ?Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded both should be treated equally. >> >> ?For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the investigations are concluded. That's good governance. >> >> ?regards >> >> ?________________________________ >> ?From: Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com] >> ?Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM >> ?To: DANIEL NANGHAKA >> ?Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> >> ?This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. >> >> ?You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. >> >> ?Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. >> >> ?In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. >> >> ?The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. >> >> ?Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. >> >> ?Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. >> >> ?I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. >> >> ?Owen >> >> ?On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: >> >> ?There cannot be smoke without fire. >> ?[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZG5kYW5uYW5nQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=58e9d020-d5fd-4da9-8d80-3e191f12c131]? >> >> ?On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein > wrote: >> ?@Badru >> >> ?I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement. >> >> ?There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment. >> >> ?Regards >> >> ?Ali Hussein >> ?Principal >> ?Hussein & Associates >> ?+254 0713 601113 >> >> ?Twitter: @AliHKassim >> ?Skype: abu-jomo >> ?LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> ?"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> ?Sent from my iPad >> >> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: >> >> ?@Ali >> >> ?This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board. >> >> ?Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. >> >> ?If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about. >> >> ?Our organization must be protected above any individuals. >> >> ?Deep down I hope these are just allegations. >> >> ?Maybe governance committee should comment. >> >> ?But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward. >> >> ?Regards >> >> ?Sent from my iPhone >> >> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein > wrote: >> >> ?@Badru >> >> ?Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name. >> >> ?At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >> >> ?Regards >> >> ?Ali Hussein >> ?Principal >> ?Hussein & Associates >> ?+254 0713 601113 >> >> ?Twitter: @AliHKassim >> ?Skype: abu-jomo >> ?LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> ?"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> ?Sent from my iPad >> >> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: >> >> ?There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >> >> ?I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >> >> ?On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: >> ?Thanks >> >> ?I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >> >> ?Sent from my iPhone >> >>> ??On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: >>> >>> ??Dear Badru, >>> >>> ??My response was from me as CEO. >>> >>> ??Alan Barrett >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-- >> >> ?Regards >> ?Nanghaka Daniel K. >> ?Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> ?Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> ?Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ?----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-- >> >> ?Regards >> ?Nanghaka Daniel K. >> ?Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> ?Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> ?Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ?----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 8 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:15:58 +0000 (GMT) >> ?From: Wale Adedokun >> ?To: community-discuss , rpd >> ?????????, afnog >> ?Cc: 2018 NomCom Activities >> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board- >> ?????????Period Extension >> ?Message-ID: >> ?????????<1504341257.203437.1521152158313.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> ?Dear AFRINIC Community, >> ?This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Board has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. >> >> ?Thank you. >> >> ?NomCom 2018 >> >> ?Wale Adedokun PhD >> ?Event Coordinator >> ?Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) >> >> ?2348037035811 >> ?wale at forum.org.ng >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 9 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:17:36 +0000 (GMT) >> ?From: Wale Adedokun >> ?To: community-discuss , rpd >> ?????????, afnog >> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations: AFRINIC Policy >> ?????????Development Appeal Committee-Period Extension >> ?Message-ID: >> ?????????<728711835.203444.1521152256160.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> ?Dear AFRINIC COmmunity, >> ?This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. >> >> ?Thank you. >> >> ?NomCom 2018 >> >> ?Wale Adedokun PhD >> ?Event Coordinator >> ?Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) >> >> ?2348037035811 >> ?wale at forum.org.ng >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 10 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:19:28 +0000 (GMT) >> ?From: Wale Adedokun >> ?To: community-discuss , rpd >> ?????????, afnog >> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance >> ?????????Committee (GC) Members: Period Extension >> ?Message-ID: >> ?????????<499884281.203449.1521152368348.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> ?Dear AFRINIC Community, >> ?This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. >> >> ?Thank you. >> >> ?NomCom 2018 >> >> ?Wale Adedokun PhD >> ?Event Coordinator >> ?Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) >> >> ?2348037035811 >> ?wale at forum.org.ng >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 11 >> ?Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:21:27 +0000 (GMT) >> ?From: Wale Adedokun >> ?To: community-discuss , rpd >> ?????????, afnog >> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the >> ?????????Policy Development Working Group-Period Extension >> ?Message-ID: >> ?????????<1798222401.203452.1521152487276.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> ?Dear AFRINIC Community, >> ?This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC. >> >> ?Thank you. >> >> ?NomCom 2018 >> >> ?Wale Adedokun PhD >> ?Event Coordinator >> ?Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) >> >> ?2348037035811 >> ?wale at forum.org.ng >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 12 >> ?Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:10:59 +0000 (UTC) >> ?From: Uffa Modey >> ?To: "lmasilela at registry.net.za" , >> ?????????"community-discuss at afrinic.net" >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work >> ?????????environment at AFRINIC" >> ?Message-ID: <1323988214.1740601.1521191459485 at mail.yahoo.com> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?Good day Mr Lucky. Thanks for the update on this issue. >> >> ?As a newbie and an emerging young female in the Afrinic community, I was very upset to learn about these accusations considering that I look up to all the parties involved ( both the accused and the accuser) as asteemed Afrinic community leaders. >> >> ?However, despite the fact that we all agree that this is an extremely serious issue, I fail to see any strong and intentional steps being taken by Afrinic to properly address this issue. I understand that due process must be followed but can we not imagine the disgrace it will be to our dearest RIR if this issue got blown out of proportion and it is seen that we as a community didn't address it with the urgency and seriousness it required? >> >> ?The shared document was quite verbal and with the numerous campaigns going on both online and offline at the moment globally, it will definitely not be ignored once it is accessed by the rest of the world considering the positions of the individuals involved and the organisation involved (AFRINIC). >> >> ?Please we need to take more drastic steps to address this issue with the urgency it deserves. >> >> ?Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> ???On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 9:38 PM, Lucky Masilela wrote: Dear AFRINIC Community >> >> ?Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018. >> >> ?We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance. >> >> ?Regards, >> >> ?Lucky Masilela >> >> ?Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board. >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Message: 13 >> ?Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:37 +0000 >> ?From: Edward Lawrence >> ?To: Mark Tinka , Evelyn Namara >> ?????????, DANIEL NANGHAKA >> ?Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> ?Message-ID: >> ?????????<1FA46458C5CDFD43B952465255789E2301F8057548 at ex1.workonline.co.za> >> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?+1 >> >> ?Edward Lawrence >> ?Director - Business Development >> ?Workonline Communications (Pty) Ltd >> ?Head office: +27 (0)21 200 9000 >> ?ZA mobile: +27 (0)79 656 7642 >> ?UK mobile: +44 (0)744 616 4104 >> >> ?[Workonline Communications] >> >> ?[WOLsept2016] >> >> ?The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to Workonline Communications clients, any opinion or advice contained in this e-mail is subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any non disclosure agreement or service provision agreement. >> >> ?From: Mark Tinka >> ?Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2018 5:27 PM >> ?To: Evelyn Namara ; DANIEL NANGHAKA >> ?Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> ?Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >> >> ?I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that seek answers from an independent investigation based on these allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the upcoming gathering in Dakar next month. >> >> ?To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by the community. >> >> ?Mark. >> ?On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote: >> ?Dear all, >> ?As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this. >> ?Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected. >> ?That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations. >> ?Kind Regards, >> >> ?On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA > wrote: >> ?There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >> >> ?I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board. >> >> ?On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege > wrote: >> ?Thanks >> >> ?I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board. >> >> ?Sent from my iPhone >> >>> ??On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett > wrote: >>> >>> ??Dear Badru, >>> >>> ??My response was from me as CEO. >>> >>> ??Alan Barrett >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-- >> >> ?Regards >> ?Nanghaka Daniel K. >> ?Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >> ?Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) >> ?Skype: daniel.nanghaka >> >> ?----------------------------------------- "Working for Africa" ----------------------------------------- >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?-- >> ?Evelyn Namara >> ?Phone: +256754440893 >> ?Skype: enamara >> ?Twitter: enamara >> >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> ?URL: >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> ?Name: image001.jpg >> ?Type: image/jpeg >> ?Size: 6746 bytes >> ?Desc: image001.jpg >> ?URL: >> ?-------------- next part -------------- >> ?A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> ?Name: image003.jpg >> ?Type: image/jpeg >> ?Size: 17707 bytes >> ?Desc: image003.jpg >> ?URL: >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?Subject: Digest Footer >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?------------------------------ >> >> ?End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 278, Issue 1 >> ?************************************************* > > --? > KANGAMUTIMA? ZABIKA > Contr?leur des douanes > Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information > Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et > Accises > DRC > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:20:30 +0100 > From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279, > ????????Issue 1 > Message-ID: <3743811521292830 at web20j.yandex.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Chers membres de la communaut?, > > Une situation calamiteuse s'est produite avec cette affaire de lourdes all?gations harc?lements et autres. Moi je pense aussi que comme des telles accusations p?sent sur des membres du conseil d'administration et celles-ci ont ?t? port? ? la connaissance de la communaut? par un cadre d'AFRINIC, il sied de laisser la justice faire correctement son travail et tir? cette affaire au clair. Je vois mal le conseil d'administration d?signait une commission d'enqu?te dite ind?pendante pendant l'un de ses membres et non le moindre, est formellement accus? (malgr? sa d?mission). il y a aura l? clairement un conflit d'int?r?t. Je ne sais pas non plus dans l'arsenal juridiques d'Afrinic s'il y a un texte qui pr?voit les modalit?s de d?signation d'une telle commission dans pareil cas? > > Il serait aussi pr?matur? de juger de la qualit? d'une preuve ou pas. Certains ?l?ments accompagnant un dossier d'accusation peuvent ?tre retenus comme un d?but de preuve (devant ?tre corrobor? par une preuve formelle). Il est tr?s difficile de d?canter une affaire portant sur la moralit? parceque beaucoup des preuves sont soit difficile ? produire et d'autres immat?riels. > > En plus, il sied non seulement d'enqu?ter sur ces all?gations mais aussi sur l'ensemble des autres potentiels victimes travaillant au sein de l'organisation incrimin?e. Si les soup?ons pesant sur les personnes incrimin?s ?taient av?r?es, il s'agirait de savoir s'il s'agissait d'actes individuels ou une suite d'actes men?s dans le cadre d'une entreprise criminelle, s'agit il d'un syst?me entretenu par le r?gime de la peur et des menaces? > > Les m?mes questions se poseront aussi pour les accusateurs, afin de v?rifier toutes leurs all?gations, v?rifier le mobile du crime le cas ?ch?ant, les motivations des accusateurs? > > J'en d?duis qu'il s'agit d'un cas qui fera jurisprudence et qu'il sied de mettre tout en oeuvre pour une r?solution juste de cette affaire. > > Kangamutima > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:25:25 +0100 > From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe > To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279, > ????????Issue 1 > Message-ID: <3751601521293125 at web20j.yandex.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Concernant l'aspect confidentialit?, je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec Andrew, dura lex sed lex. > > Les r?gles sont faites pour ?tre respect? par tous de la m?me mani?re. > > Le fait que le Pr?sident du Conseil d'Administration ait d?missionn? (s'est d?port?) suite aux soup?ons pesant sur lui et afin de laisser l'enqu?te clarifier la lanterne de tous, ne le d?douane pas du fait qu'il a quasiment avou? avoir empi?ter sur le devoir de r?serve lui d?volu par ses fonctions par rapport aux conversations confidentielles tenues au sein du conseil d'administration, son d?part devrait surtout relever de la sanction pr?vue par les textes que de sa propre volont?. > > Kangamutima > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:27:10 -0400 > From: Alan Barrett > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Cc: "members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> ?On 17 Mar 2018, at 00:53, Badru Ntege wrote: >> >> ?And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved. > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >> ?Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC. > > You are welcome to reiterate that allegations have been made, or to comment on what should be done. But if you claim that the accusations are true, as you did, then I expect you to have evidence, and I call on you to reveal the evidence during the investigation. If you don?t have evidence then you should not have made the claims. > > Alan Barrett > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:04:10 +0100 > From: Raz BIRAMAH > To: Alan Barrett > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????"members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dears, > > Does anyone have an idea on the process of selection of the independent/external investigation commission regarding this situation? When and how can we have more information about? > > Thanks, > > Raz B. > iPi9 > ? > >> ?Le 17 mars 2018 ? 15:27, Alan Barrett a ?crit : >> >>> ?On 17 Mar 2018, at 00:53, Badru Ntege wrote: >>> >>> ?And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved. >> >> ?I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. >> >>> ?Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC. >> >> ?You are welcome to reiterate that allegations have been made, or to comment on what should be done. But if you claim that the accusations are true, as you did, then I expect you to have evidence, and I call on you to reveal the evidence during the investigation. If you don?t have evidence then you should not have made the claims. >> >> ?Alan Barrett >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Members-Discuss mailing list >> ?Members-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:24:56 -0400 > From: Alan Barrett > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Cc: "members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: <32FCC5A4-8AA0-4230-BECF-59B5F4ED28EE at afrinic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> ?On 17 Mar 2018, at 11:04, Raz BIRAMAH wrote: >> >> ?Does anyone have an idea on the process of selection of the independent/external investigation commission regarding this situation? When and how can we have more information about? > > The Board has asked the Governance Committee to draft terms of reference and to appoint an investigation committee, as was announced a few days ago. See Board resolution 201803.391 . > > I expect that the Governance Committee will report in due course. > > Alan Barrett > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:57:55 +0000 > From: Badru Ntege > To: Alan Barrett > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????"members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929 at nftconsult.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sent from my iPhone > >> ?On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett wrote: >> >>> >> >> ?I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > > Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > > Regards. > >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Members-Discuss mailing list >> ?Members-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:39:44 +0300 > From: Ali Hussein > To: Badru Ntege > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????"members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > All > > I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee > tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations > would be that:- > > 1. The committee is publicly announced. > 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. > 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. > > I believe Lucky has articulated this well. > > Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing > continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. > > Regards > > *Ali Hussein* > > *Principal* > > *AHK & Associates* > > Tel: +254 713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > > 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, > > Chiromo Road, Westlands, > > Nairobi, Kenya. > > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely > mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the > organizations that I work with. > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> ?Sent from my iPhone >> >> ?> On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett wrote: >> ?> >> ?>> >> ?> >> ?> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour >> ?and/or accusations without due process. >> >> ?Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually >> ?internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision >> ?guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not >> ?persecution but best practice. >> >> ?It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and >> ?containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue >> ?seriously >> >> ?I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature >> ?for the committee >> >> ?Regards. >> >> ?> >> ?> >> ?> >> ?> _______________________________________________ >> ?> Members-Discuss mailing list >> ?> Members-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:08:27 +0000 (GMT) > From: Wale Adedokun > To: Ali Hussein > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????members-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: > ????????<1367255432.206505.1521313707244.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 @husseinEspecially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect.WaleWale Adedokun PhDEvent CoordinatorNigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)2348037035811wale at forum.org.ng > > ----- Ali Hussein wrote: >> All > > I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- > 1. The committee is publicly announced.2. Their TORs spelled out for the community.3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. > I believe Lucky has articulated this well. > Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. > RegardsAli >> ?HusseinPrincipalAHK & Associates >> >> ?Tel: +254 713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim >> Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,Chiromo Road, Westlands,Nairobi, Kenya. > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. >> > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: > >> > >> ?Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ?> On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett wrote: > >> ?> > >> ?>> > >> ?> > >> ?> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >> > >> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > >> > >> ?It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > >> > >> ?I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > >> > >> ?Regards. > >> > >> > >> ?> > >> ?> > >> ?> > >> ?> _______________________________________________ > >> ?> Members-Discuss mailing list > >> ?> Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > >> ?> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> > >> ?_______________________________________________ > >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list > >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:27:24 +0000 > From: Ben Roberts > To: Wale Adedokun > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????"members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: <42E09CBA-14D7-4DCC-8A62-250ADDA47097 at liquidtelecom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate now and wait for the investigation > > From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial information in this debate. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun > wrote: > > +1 @hussein > > Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect. > > Wale > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > ----- Ali Hussein > wrote: >> > > All > > I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- > > 1. The committee is publicly announced. > 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. > 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. > > I believe Lucky has articulated this well. > > Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. > > Regards > > Ali >> ?Hussein > > Principal > > AHK & Associates > >> > > Tel: +254 713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > >> > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, > > Chiromo Road, Westlands, > > Nairobi, Kenya. > > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. >> > >> > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> > >> ?Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ?> On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett > wrote: > >> ?> > >> ?>> > >> ?> > >> ?> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >> > >> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > >> > >> ?It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > >> > >> ?I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > >> > >> ?Regards. > >> > >> > >> ?> > >> ?> > >> ?> > >> ?> _______________________________________________ > >> ?> Members-Discuss mailing list > >> ?> Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > >> ?> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> > >> ?_______________________________________________ > >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list > >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Members-Discuss mailing list > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:34:20 +0300 > From: Noah > To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????"members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 to Andrew > > Dear Community > > *PS: Writing in my personal capacity.* > > 1. Firstly, may I remind the community and membership that in Tunis in > 2015, the same issues of violation of NDA sufficed and our board at the > time went ahead to ask the affected former board members to step down and > they both did. As such, I think "*No double standards*" should apply in the > situation of Mr.Folayani considering the fact that the former chairman has > openly admitted to having shared the sensitive information with a third > party whatever his intentions where moreover a staff who doesn't even seat > on the board. Like Andrew Alston has stated, *RULE ARE RULES* and they > should apply to everyone and Mr.Folayani is guilty as charged in this > regard with or without an investigation as he already admitted anyway. > > 2. On another note, since Mr.Folayani has since stepped down, do we have a > new chairman of the board from the team? Can the board update the > membership to this regard. > > Cheers, > Noah > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:01 PM, Andrew Alston com> wrote: > >> ?Dear Former Chair, >> >> ?I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little >> ?disturbed. >> >> ?Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the >> ?investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find >> ?alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly >> ?diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the >> ?last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen >> ?to ignore what has been stated so clearly. >> >> ?I draw attention to this part of your email: >> >> ?*I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which >> ?should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the >> ?intention was. * >> >> ?Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you >> ?signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what >> ?was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat >> ?between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board >> ?meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC >> ?business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as >> ?chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as >> ?a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third >> ?party. >> >> ?In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: >> >> ?Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; *Information discussed within >> ?the Board* should not be disclosed to third parties without Board >> ?approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the >> ?Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not >> ?under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the >> ?public domain. >> >> ?Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the >> ?board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared >> ?? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged >> ?information and that discussion can be very much considered information >> ?discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. >> >> ?A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, >> ?Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then >> ?chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather >> ?than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in >> ?the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent >> ?happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now >> ?hold yourself to a different standard. >> >> ?I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I >> ?wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing >> ?this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the >> ?application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply >> ?to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing >> ?now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to >> ?be. >> >> ?Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. >> >> ?Andrew >> >> ?*From:* Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> ?*Sent:* 16 March 2018 17:38 >> ?*To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; >> ?members-discuss at afrinic.net >> ?*Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment >> >> ?Dear members and the Community, >> >> ?Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious >> ?and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and >> ?represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. >> >> ?I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of >> ?the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised >> ?further. >> >> ?While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, >> ?and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge >> ?that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been >> ?treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. >> >> ?It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of >> ?the investigations on the harassment claims. >> >> ?May I most respectfully request that we await the independent >> ?investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the >> ?community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member >> ?of the community. >> >> ?I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the >> ?Board. >> >> ?I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being >> ?served for all, on the matter. >> >> ?With Kind Regards .... >> >> ?Sunday Folayan. >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > *./noah* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:03:34 +0000 > From: Badru Ntege > To: Ben Roberts > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > ????????"members-discuss at afrinic.net" > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of > ????????Harassment > Message-ID: <342C5C5B-47CC-4A92-8E5B-F17C90E98FAC at nftconsult.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > We have a number of issues on the table based on information posted on this list that members beleive should have gotten swift action on Tuesday. > > I?m not sure about the mud slinging being referred to here. > > To most people these are issues key to the organization. There has also been reference to elders else where. Yes I know the Genesis of this and beleive if we do not put appropriate pressure now to the relevant stakeholders it would be a disservice to the organization which is bigger than any one individual. > > Nothing new apart from the community outcry emerged before chair did the needful. > > I Do not understand and I may never understand those who wish members to keep silent when we put up the mailing list for them to share their views about their organization > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:51, Ben Roberts > wrote: > > I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate now and wait for the investigation > >> From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial information in this debate. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun > wrote: > > +1 @hussein > > Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect. > > Wale > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > ----- Ali Hussein > wrote: >> > > All > > I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:- > > 1. The committee is publicly announced. > 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. > 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. > > I believe Lucky has articulated this well. > > Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. > > Regards > > Ali >> ?Hussein > > Principal > > AHK & Associates > >> > > Tel: +254 713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > >> > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, > > Chiromo Road, Westlands, > > Nairobi, Kenya. > > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. >> > >> > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> > >> ?Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ?> On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett > wrote: > >> ?> > >> ?>> > >> ?> > >> ?> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process. > >> > >> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice. > >> > >> ?It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously > >> > >> ?I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee > >> > >> ?Regards. > >> > >> > >> ?> > >> ?> > >> ?> > >> ?> _______________________________________________ > >> ?> Members-Discuss mailing list > >> ?> Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > >> ?> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> > >> ?_______________________________________________ > >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list > >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Members-Discuss mailing list > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:48:24 +0000 > From: Chevalier du Borg > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In almost all country in the world, a man or woman is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE > GUILTY. > Mob justice feel very good but is not justice at all at all. > > If we must grown as strong community, we must respect that principle, no > matter how big our wish for something to be true or false is. This is once > thing where we must follow process. Only that way can we emerge stronger > from this situation. > > Again: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. > > 2018-03-16 21:00 GMT+00:00 Lydia Akiriza : > >> ?++1 >> >> ?On 15 Mar 2018 22:06, "Badru Ntege" wrote: >> >>> ?@Owen >>> >>> ?in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a >>> ?case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair >>> ?shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO >>> ?needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be >>> ?shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are >>> ?actually separating electrons and producing plasmas"..... >>> >>> ?We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some >>> ?clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the >>> ?board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they >>> ?are exonerated. >>> >>> ?The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that >>> ?the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is >>> ?investigated. >>> >>> ??There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period. >>> >>> ?We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare. >>> >>> ?Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have >>> ?an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an >>> ?accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded >>> ?both should be treated equally. >>> >>> ?For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have >>> ?nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the >>> ?investigations are concluded. That's good governance. >>> >>> ?regards >>> >>> ?------------------------------ >>> ?*From:* Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com] >>> ?*Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM >>> ?*To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA >>> ?*Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >>> ?*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member >>> >>> ?This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case. >>> >>> ?You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in >>> ?smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses >>> ?and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating >>> ?electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with >>> ?an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire. >>> >>> ?Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire. >>> >>> ?In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains >>> ?completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on >>> ?this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access. >>> >>> ?The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist >>> ?the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. >>> ?There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, >>> ?harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety. >>> >>> ?Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to >>> ?the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there. >>> >>> ?Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be >>> ?seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately. >>> >>> ?I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but >>> ?I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation. >>> >>> ?Owen >>> >>> ?On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >>> >>> ?There cannot be smoke without fire. >>> ?? >>> >>> ?On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein wrote: >>> >>>> ?@Badru >>>> >>>> ?I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. >>>> ?He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be >>>> ?fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a >>>> ?Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that >>>> ?Committee must issue a statement. >>>> >>>> ?There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate >>>> ?Governance environment. >>>> >>>> ?Regards >>>> >>>> ?*Ali Hussein* >>>> ?*Principal* >>>> ?*Hussein & Associates* >>>> ?+254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>> >>>> ?Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>> ?Skype: abu-jomo >>>> ?LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>> >>>> ?"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>>> ?a habit." ~ Aristotle >>>> >>>> ?Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege >>>> ?wrote: >>>> >>>> ?@Ali >>>> >>>> ?This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our >>>> ?elected Board. >>>> >>>> ?Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment. >>>> >>>> ?If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. >>>> ?That?s what accountability is about. >>>> >>>> ?Our organization must be protected above any individuals. >>>> >>>> ?Deep down I hope these are just allegations. >>>> >>>> ?Maybe governance committee should comment. >>>> >>>> ?But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way >>>> ?forward. >>>> >>>> ?Regards >>>> >>>> ?Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein wrote: >>>> >>>> ?@Badru >>>> >>>> ?Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. >>>> ?The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast >>>> ?aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the >>>> ?organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the >>>> ?organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the >>>> ?organization?s mandate and good name. >>>> >>>> ?At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well. >>>> >>>> ?Regards >>>> >>>> ?*Ali Hussein* >>>> ?*Principal* >>>> ?*Hussein & Associates* >>>> ?+254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>> >>>> ?Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>> ?Skype: abu-jomo >>>> ?LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>> >>>> ?"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>>> ?a habit." ~ Aristotle >>>> >>>> ?Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >>>> >>>> ?There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical >>>> ?review of AFRINIC mandate must be done. >>>> >>>> ?I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our >>>> ?board. >>>> >>>> ?On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege >>>> ?wrote: >>>> >>>>> ?Thanks >>>>> >>>>> ?I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO >>>>> ?should wait for board. >>>>> >>>>> ?Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> ?> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett >>>>> ?wrote: >>>>> ?> >>>>> ?> Dear Badru, >>>>> ?> >>>>> ?> My response was from me as CEO. >>>>> ?> >>>>> ?> Alan Barrett >>>>> ?> >>>>> >>>>> ?_______________________________________________ >>>>> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >>>>> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>>> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>>> ?-- >>>> >>>> ?Regards >>>> ?Nanghaka Daniel K. >>>> ?Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - >>>> ?ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >>>> ?Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda) >>>> ?Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>>> >>>> ?----------------------------------------- * "Working for Africa" * >>>> ?----------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> ?_______________________________________________ >>>> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> ?-- >>> >>> ?Regards >>> ?Nanghaka Daniel K. >>> ?Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - >>> ?ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 >>> ?Mobile +256 772 898298 <+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda) >>> ?Skype: daniel.nanghaka >>> >>> ?----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * >>> ?----------------------------------------- >>> >>> ?_______________________________________________ >>> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >>> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> ?_______________________________________________ >>> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >>> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> ?_______________________________________________ >> ?Community-Discuss mailing list >> ?Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > Borg le Chevalier > ___________________________________ > "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:51:59 +0000 > From: Chevalier du Borg > To: Sri Sageguru > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2018-03-16 22:57 GMT+00:00 Sri Sageguru : > >> ??then when will the others like Finance Director etc. do the honorable >> ?thing? > > INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. > And because having executive step down at each allegation is a good DOS > attack on the company with consequence that are not good for the health of > company, staff and community. > > -- > Borg le Chevalier > ___________________________________ > "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:53:40 +0000 > From: Chevalier du Borg > To: Badru Ntege > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2018-03-17 0:19 GMT+00:00 Badru Ntege : > >> ?Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced >> ?our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff. > > INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. > > -- > Borg le Chevalier > ___________________________________ > "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:57:42 +0000 > From: Chevalier du Borg > To: Badru Ntege > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > Message-ID: > ???????? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2018-03-17 4:36 GMT+00:00 Badru Ntege : > >> ?It?s only fare that non of us tries to silence each other. It?s a >> ?community mailing list let?s allow the community to openly express their >> ?sentiments. > > pronounce guilt at allegation when you are not judge is not show of > leadership. > thank you for showing better leadership > > INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. --- i think that is principle you won't argue > > -- > Borg le Chevalier > ___________________________________ > "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:29:44 +0000 > From: Badru Ntege > To: Chevalier du Borg > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 18 Mar 2018, at 12:59, Chevalier du Borg > wrote: > > INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. --- i think that is principle you won't argue > > The ultimate judge is the committee that is being set up by board. 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ZABIKA Contr?leur des douanes Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et Accises DRC From kaweshesichali at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 14:38:52 2018 From: kaweshesichali at gmail.com (kaweshesichali) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:38:52 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Message-ID: To view the message, please use an HTML compatible email viewer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaweshesichali at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 15:00:56 2018 From: kaweshesichali at gmail.com (kaweshesichali) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Message-ID: To view the message, please use an HTML compatible email viewer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Mon Mar 19 15:52:19 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F411D5-62A3-4712-BB17-BD7F9E11FE56@delong.com> I think it is quite chicken to direct replies to an anonymizing emailer. I have, therefore overridden the reply-to set on the original message. > On Mar 19, 2018, at 08:00 , kaweshesichali wrote: > > Despite that this lady has raised this several times with the HR and CEO. She has? What evidence do you have to support this claim? There?s nothing in the texts that says so. There is just an allegation. > Did the HR Manager did something to solve this issue??? The HR Manager is not competent at all in his field. He is USELESS. Why do we have a HR Manager is an organisation??? Again, do you have any evidence to support these allegations? I?m not saying they are or are not true, merely asking for evidence to support your accusations. > . Many staffs left AFRINIC for several reasons, they have been pressurised, threatened, diminished, insulted, harassed, attacked, disrespected, bullied and many more. Again, where is the proof to back up this allegation? What evidence do you have to support it? > Some of them were fired. OK, do you allege that they should not have been fired? It seems to me that there were some in need of firing. > Again, USELESS HR !! So you?re saying that it is the job of HR to avoid a company firing anyone? This is completely illogical. > We do not even know what is the role of the HR Manager at AFRINIC. What does he really do there? No proper documentation, no report concerning staffs departures, why staffs quit AFRINIC??? Nothing was done by the HR Manager. This doesn?t exactly differ from how any other company is run, so I?m not sure what you are attempting to allege here. As a general practice, most HR matters are considered confidential between the company and the employee and the information you describe above is generally not disclosed out of respect for the employees? privacy. > The CEO is responsible for the smooth running of the company and he needs to make sure that the company have a good culture. Yes. This is true. However, do you have any specific areas where you feel this is not the case? Do you have specific actionable complaints about the conduct of the CEO with evidence to back them up? If so, then make your case with facts. The above speculative innuendo and accusations do not as yet have any supporting evidence and are vague and useless in terms of any corrective action which may be taken. > AFRINIC still have an acting head of IT who is not competent at all. Again, some evidence to support this would be useful. > I remembered my previous AFRINIC meeting was a bad experience, we never got connected to the internet at Sofitel during AFRINIC meeting. Are you saying that the AfriNIC head of IT is responsible for the running of the hotel network during an AfriNIC meeting? In my experience, AfriNIC IT has little to no control over hotel networks at meeting venues. It is true that AfriNIC usually brings in connectivity from a local sponsor for the actual conference network, but that?s usually only in the meeting areas and not the hotel rooms. Even then, it is primarily the local sponsor and the meeting team which are involved in delivering that connectivity and not the head of AfriNIC IT. Most AfriNIC meetings I have attended have delivered reasonably good connectivity. Kigali was a notable exception, but at the time of the Kigali meeting, connectivity in Rwanda in general was pretty marginal and I think the team did the best they could with what they had available. The last meeting I attended was in Nairobi and I remember the connectivity there being quite good at the meeting site. I wasn?t able to attend the Lagos meeting, so I can?t speak directly to the connectivity for that event. > What a joke, AFRINIC promote internet for the whole Africa. Till now no replacement have been done for the head of IT. AFRINIC culture is becoming worse and worse !!! Once again, with vague accusations and allegations. No evidence, no specific action items (other than a call to replace the head of IT without any specific complaints to back it up). It is this kind of stirring of the pot in lieu of meritorious issue-based factual attempts to improve AfriNIC which is most damaging to the AfriNIC culture and to the community at large. I?m not saying there are not problems to solve at AfriNIC. Indeed, I think there are several. However, I try to avoid making vague accusations and instead focus on constructive suggestions. May I humbly suggest you consider doing the same. Owen From virtual.borg at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 17:01:18 2018 From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:01:18 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <687171631.2941358.1521439491362@mail.yahoo.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> <687171631.2941358.1521439491362@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2018-03-19 6:04 GMT+00:00 Mirriam : > > Hold on, are you saying that employees must have direct line of reporting > amongst themselves for suspension or warning of any kind to > For the suspension - YES. When an alegation is make. The accuse person is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. They should not be put on suspension while investigation is go on. If the accuse person and accuser have direct boss-report relationship, then then it makes sense to separate them for period of investigation. If you must suspend ... then suspend both accuser and accuse person. The only exception to immediate suspension is if it can be prove person is guilty. (e.g. many witness come forward to say they witness the act OR the boss witness it i.e. undeniable evidence) If you don't do that, then all it takes is for a female to allege sexual harrasement and get their boss or college suspended. That a good way to destroy a company. And for people that can think, I will let you work out the long term effect even on the company and on diversity at work. > apply therefore an employee from a different department can harrass > another employee and not be called out. > all rule written above count. Still guilty until proven. Just separate them. > > This is wrong, harrasmemt of any nature should never be tolerated in the > work place so to speak Afrinic > 100% agree. But unless there was credible witnesses who witness the harrassment --- the accuse person is STILL INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. If you must suspend at the mention of harassment. Then to be fair ... suspend both accuser and accuse person. I can support that. > > Mirriam > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:47 AM, Chevalier du Borg > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Borg le Chevalier ___________________________________ "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From boubakarbarry at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 10:17:06 2018 From: boubakarbarry at gmail.com (Boubakar Barry) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:17:06 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <342C5C5B-47CC-4A92-8E5B-F17C90E98FAC@nftconsult.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <0BEC2654-8401-4040-8062-D5B2E900376C@nftconsult.com> <67AE7448-2198-4ECE-9F48-475375A4F3C6@nftconsult.com> <4AF7976C-89AD-484F-9E66-B4D789683929@nftconsult.com> <1367255432.206505.1521313707244.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng> <42E09CBA-14D7-4DCC-8A62-250ADDA47097@liquidtelecom.com> <342C5C5B-47CC-4A92-8E5B-F17C90E98FAC@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: Dear All, Many in this community may recall that in Tunis 2015, due to dysfunction in the board and the loss of trust from a large section of the community, I requested on the floor that the whole board should resign so that we can restart afresh. And I was not alone. However, the board managed to ?sacrifice? two of its members to get us moved on. Two other board members were later voted out by the community at subsequent board elections. The fact that two members of the then board who are still serving in the board (at the highest positions as Chair and Vice-Chair) are now subject to grave allegations suggests that it should have been better that the whole board stepped down in Tunis. This would have saved us three precious years for reconstructing our organization. Shall we continue to address serious leadership issues of our organization lightly? If we do so, AfriNIC will soon collapse. Reviewing the processes of board members selection, board leadership selection as well as board members performance assessment should be a matter of priority. While the grave allegations against the board members and senior AfriNIC staff do not automatically mean that they are guilty, good governance and leadership practice commands that the accused board members step down and the concerned staff be suspended with full pay, pending the outcome of an investigation by an independent committee. I urge them to take the wise decision needed here, for the sake of the image of our organization and its future. Boubakar On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Badru Ntege wrote: > We have a number of issues on the table based on information posted on > this list that members beleive should have gotten swift action on Tuesday. > > > I?m not sure about the mud slinging being referred to here. > > To most people these are issues key to the organization. There has also > been reference to elders else where. Yes I know the Genesis of this and > beleive if we do not put appropriate pressure now to the relevant > stakeholders it would be a disservice to the organization which is bigger > than any one individual. > > Nothing new apart from the community outcry emerged before chair did the > needful. > > I Do not understand and I may never understand those who wish members to > keep silent when we put up the mailing list for them to share their views > about their organization > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:51, Ben Roberts > wrote: > > I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate > now and wait for the investigation > > From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial > information in this debate. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun wrote: > > +1 @hussein > > Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be > elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some > of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The > question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the > needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation > and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime > everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect. > Wale > > > > Wale Adedokun PhD > Event Coordinator > Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) > 2348037035811 > wale at forum.org.ng > > > ----- Ali Hussein wrote: > > > All > > I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the > committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and > expectations would be that:- > > 1. The committee is publicly announced. > 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. > 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. > > I believe Lucky has articulated this well. > > Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing > continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. > > Regards > > > *Ali > Hussein* > > *Principal* > > *AHK & Associates* > > > > > > > > > Tel: +254 713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > > > > > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > > > 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, > > Chiromo Road, Westlands, > > Nairobi, Kenya. > > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely > mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the > organizations that I work with. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPhone >> >> > >> >> > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour >> and/or accusations without due process. >> >> > >> >> >Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually >> internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision >> guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not >> persecution but best practice. >> >> > >> >> > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and >> containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue >> seriously >> >> > >> >> > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature >> for the committee >> >> > >> >> > Regards. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > Members-Discuss mailing list >> >> > > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> >Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> >https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Members-Discuss mailing list > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This would have saved us three precious years > for reconstructing our organization. > Hindsight is 20/20 and often very often wrong because we do not have any DATA to back our wishes against. No matter ... you may not like them, but they were VOTE in by the membership. That how democracy work. > Shall we continue to address serious leadership issues of our organization > lightly? If we do so, AfriNIC will soon collapse. Reviewing the processes > of board members selection, board leadership selection as well as board > members performance assessment should be a matter of priority. > You forget the CRITICAL thing that matter most. Informed and active members and community. A good democracy don't work without engage and intelligent and active citizenship. Same thing apply here. > While the grave allegations against the board members and senior AfriNIC > staff do not automatically mean that they are guilty, good governance and > leadership practice commands that the accused board members step down and > the concerned staff be suspended with full pay, pending the outcome of an > investigation by an independent committee. > For board, where prove actually exists --- they should step down. Where it is unproved, they don't need to. That how you open system to abuse - make allegation against board member and take them down. For staff , if one must ... the SUSPEND BOTH THE ACCUSER AND ACCUSED PERSON. And i will even add that should allegation be prove false .... fire the the accuser. > I urge them to take the wise decision needed here, for the sake of the > image of our organization and its future. > Let us be mature and follow process. The process right now lies with goverance committee etc. etc. Until their next communique that tells us next step, people who claim to be leaders must show leadership and that start with affirmation of basic principe that: EVERYONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY!! > > > Boubakar > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Badru Ntege > wrote: > >> We have a number of issues on the table based on information posted on >> this list that members beleive should have gotten swift action on Tuesday. >> >> >> I?m not sure about the mud slinging being referred to here. >> >> To most people these are issues key to the organization. There has also >> been reference to elders else where. Yes I know the Genesis of this and >> beleive if we do not put appropriate pressure now to the relevant >> stakeholders it would be a disservice to the organization which is bigger >> than any one individual. >> >> Nothing new apart from the community outcry emerged before chair did the >> needful. >> >> I Do not understand and I may never understand those who wish members to >> keep silent when we put up the mailing list for them to share their views >> about their organization >> >> Regards >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:51, Ben Roberts >> wrote: >> >> I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this >> debate now and wait for the investigation >> >> From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial >> information in this debate. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun wrote: >> >> +1 @hussein >> >> Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be >> elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some >> of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The >> question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the >> needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation >> and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime >> everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect. >> Wale >> >> >> >> Wale Adedokun PhD >> Event Coordinator >> Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG) >> 2348037035811 >> wale at forum.org.ng >> >> >> ----- Ali Hussein wrote: >> > >> All >> >> I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the >> committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and >> expectations would be that:- >> >> 1. The committee is publicly announced. >> 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community. >> 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable. >> >> I believe Lucky has articulated this well. >> >> Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing >> continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work. >> >> Regards >> >> >> *Ali > Hussein* >> >> *Principal* >> >> *AHK & Associates* >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Tel: +254 713 601113 >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> >> > >> > >> >> Skype: abu-jomo >> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> >> >> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >> >> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >> >> Nairobi, Kenya. >> >> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >> organizations that I work with. >> > >> > >> >> > >> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett >>> wrote: >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour >>> and/or accusations without due process. >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually >>> internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision >>> guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not >>> persecution but best practice. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing >>> and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the >>> issue seriously >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting >>> literature for the committee >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Regards. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > Members-Discuss mailing list >>> >>> > > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> >>> > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > Community-Discuss mailing list >>> >>> >Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> >>> >https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Members-Discuss mailing list >> Members-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Borg le Chevalier ___________________________________ "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madomey at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 10:58:29 2018 From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:58:29 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Dear Reverend Sunday Folayan, The allegations against you are serious, from any angle no matter how tolerant one would like to be. You violated the NDA and abused your fiduciary responsibilities. This two infringements makes you ineligible to continue to serve as a board member. Besides this, in order that for the investigations into the allegations of sexual harassment etc to be truly independent, common sense and ethics require you to stand back from the board while it is ongoing not just step aside as chair. Please show us that you are a leader and man of the cloth. Many of us also expect appropriate and proportionate administrative measures to be considered for the other management staff involved in this. Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:01:17 PM To: Sunday Folayan; General Discussions of AFRINIC; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amelnaud at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 11:14:50 2018 From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:14:50 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Community and Membership Hum ! The complaint document, beyond the allegations of harrasment shows the conspiracy orchestrated during the CEO transition, the cronyism, amateurism and the unfortunate micro-management set up as governance mode by the board and management. This can only lead to what is happening within our community-driven organization, not to mention contempt for certain segments of the community who disagree with this mode of operation, and who ring the bell to attract the attention of the community , which can be read through comments like ("Francos" and "troublemakers"). The truths and the facts are now seen by all, here are the kinds of perception that leaders have and those who have supported this unfortunate system should now help us fix it and integrate the mechanisms so that it never happens again. Regards Arnaud 2018-03-13 12:48 GMT+00:00 kaweshe sichali : > Damola and wide community, > > a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members too > be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who seat > on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the organization. > sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and witchhunt by > members of board. some board member make advanced to women staff. sunday > folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. ceo overtaken > by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run organisation. > even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do work afrinic > projects conflict of interest. > > investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman and > member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will > harass and frustrate female employees. > > stay tuned > kaweshe > > PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/ima >> ges/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. >> There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for >> departures of staffs in the report. >> For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as >> advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. >> If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his >> report, today this job opening would be justifiable. >> >> regards >> -- >> Damola Olajide >> Network & Security Engineer >> Lagos, Nigeria >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23-Slide >>> s/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from >>> 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. >>> >>> The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page >>> 11 of the PDF. >>> >>> I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website >>> since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till >>> today. >>> >>> From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration >>> department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its >>> efficiency as there are no reports available recently. >>> >>> Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 >>> on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a >>> diligent assessment of the situation ! >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Damola Olajide >>> Network & Security Engineer >>> Lagos, Nigeria >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conrald2k8 at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 15:37:03 2018 From: conrald2k8 at gmail.com (Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:37:03 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c301d3c061$4d135670$e73a0350$@gmail.com> Eih! This feels like really internal information huh! Does AFRINIC ever hold internal meetings to look into the issues of the "Internal Customers?" Someone's bleeding - too much hurt. From: kaweshesichali [mailto:kaweshesichali at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:39 PM To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Despite that this lady has raised this several times with the HR and CEO. Did the HR Manager did something to solve this issue??? The HR Manager is not competent at all in his field. He is USELESS. Why do we have a HR Manager is an organisation???. Many staffs left AFRINIC for several reasons, they have been pressurised, threatened, diminished, insulted, harassed, attacked, disrespected, bullied and many more. Some of them were fired. Again, USELESS HR !! We do not even know what is the role of the HR Manager at AFRINIC. What does he really do there? No proper documentation, no report concerning staffs departures, why staffs quit AFRINIC??? Nothing was done by the HR Manager. The CEO is responsible for the smooth running of the company and he needs to make sure that the company have a good culture. AFRINIC still have an acting head of IT who is not competent at all. I remembered my previous AFRINIC meeting was a bad experience, we never got connected to the internet at Sofitel during AFRINIC meeting. What a joke, AFRINIC promote internet for the whole Africa. Till now no replacement have been done for the head of IT. 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Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to the GC whenever they request of it. Sunday. On 20/03/2018 11:58, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > Dear Reverend Sunday Folayan, > > > The allegations against you are serious, from any angle no matter how > tolerant one would like to be. > > You violated the NDA and abused your fiduciary responsibilities. This > two infringements makes you ineligible to continue to serve as a board > member. > > Besides this, in order that for the investigations into the > allegations of sexual harassment etc to be truly independent, common > sense and ethics require you to stand back from the board while it is > ongoing not just step aside as chair. > > Please show us that you are a leader and man of the cloth.? Many of us > also expect appropriate and proportionate administrative measures to > be considered for the other management staff involved in this. > > > > Marcus > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Alston > *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2018 4:01:17 PM > *To:* Sunday Folayan; General Discussions of AFRINIC; > members-discuss at afrinic.net > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Dear Former Chair, > > I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little > disturbed. > > Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the > investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I > find alignment on that issue.? However, there is another issue where > we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the > matter in the last few days ? the details of which will remain private > ? you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. > > I draw attention to this part of your email: > > */_I do acknowledge ?that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) > which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good > the intention was. > > _/* > > Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you > signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue > what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation > was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly > out of a board meeting.? However, you were involved in a discussion > around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related > to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with > in your position as a board member.? You then chose to share that > information with a third party. > > In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution: > > Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; */_Information discussed > within the Board_/* should not be disclosed to third parties without > Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as > provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to > third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and > is deemed to be in the public domain. > > Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within > the board ? and considering the information under discussion in what > was shared ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive > privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered > information discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the > board. > > A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the > board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA > ? and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach > of NDA rather than face disciplinary action.? I am shocked considering > your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full > awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the > board resigning ? that you now hold yourself to a different standard. > > I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I > wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself > writing this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent > ? the application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one > must apply to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and > what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far > beneath the man I know you to be. > > Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is. > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 16 March 2018 17:38 > *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > members-discuss at afrinic.net > *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Dear members and the Community, > > Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious > and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and > represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. > > I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of > the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised > further. > > While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, > and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge > that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been > treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. > > It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of > the investigations on the harassment claims. > > May I most respectfully request that we await the independent > investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the > community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member > of the community. > > I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the > Board. > > I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being > served for all, on the matter. > > With Kind Regards .... > > Sunday Folayan. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conrald2k8 at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 15:51:50 2018 From: conrald2k8 at gmail.com (Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:51:50 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <274647554.2020654.1521229479656@mail.yahoo.com> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <005001d3bd36$ddcf2460$996d6d20$@gmail.com> <274647554.2020654.1521229479656@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f001d3c063$5d691760$183b4620$@gmail.com> Lauren, It doesn?t hurt to commend somebody for an honorable thing they?ve done. I did not miss any of the lines. I read the email in its totality. Keep the community at peace, by stepping down or probably totally get off leadership ? as investigations go on ? I think that?s a good thing.. It is commendable. Besides, complementing the right move does not stop investigations or announce innocence. Even if he wasn?t, he?s innocent until proved guilty. Anyhow, I respect the fact that everyone needs to be treated with dignity, this includes us ladies in the work place. So I would rather, let justice take its course. Everyone has a right to defend themselves. Kind Regards, Gabriella. From: Mirriam [mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:45 PM To: Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Gabriella, Sorry but I will quote below part of Sundays email. -------------- "While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, --------------- But then there are screen shots of late night awkward chats and staff seems to find a way out of the situation... --------------- I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. ------------------ Did you skip the above parts of Sunday's mail? My dear, unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that is offensive and unreasonably interfere with an employee's job performance or create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment is not acceptable and had far reaching consequences for the organization which is why we are all finding ourselves in this rather sensitive situation. Let's call a spade a spade... Mirriam On Friday, March 16, 2018, 5:56:40 PM GMT+3, Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe < conrald2k8 at gmail.com> wrote: Mr. Chairman, This is an honorable decision, and a commendable move. Since you say the claims are not true, I pray you will be vindicated of all this - with all due respect. Gabriella. -----Original Message----- From: Sunday Folayan [mailto: sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:38 PM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC < community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mirriam Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Sunday Folayan wrote: _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Tue Mar 20 19:44:02 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:44:02 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr Folayan, Sorry to say this - but I am appalled by your behaviour in this regard. Once again - let me be extremely clear - I do not speak to the harassment allegations - those - need to be investigated fully by whomever the GC appoints and the report made available - and the evidence will speak for itself. I do however speak to the allegations of NDA violation - again - you used the NDA violations to oust two members of the board - yet now you yourself are refusing to take the same course of action and step down when there are both proven - and admitted - violations of the NDA. There is zero honour in this course of behaviour. Rest assured - you may believe - as you intimated to me earlier - that there is no foundation for the harassment allegations - this will be proven by the investigation - however - you are living in a fool's paradise if you believe that vindication from the harassment charges through the investigation is going to somehow absolve you of the separate and equally damning NDA violations you yourself have already admitted to - they are separate issues - both of which have consequences - one of which that has consequences that you yourself helped create - yet now - you choose not to be bound by - there is a word for that - it is called hypocrisy. I point to board resolution 201803.391 - the GC has been requested for formulate the TOR's and report back to the board by the 30th of April 2018. That does not mean to say that the investigation will conclude by then, and I honestly believe that this date has been pushed that far out in order to ensure the investigation concludes post the May meeting. However, this creates a SERIOUS problem. See - if you resign right now - the board can institute an SGM at the next AIS meeting and an election can be held - failure to do that and only to resign POST that meeting - means that the board will be in a position to appoint anyone they wish - and for at MINIMUM this community will be dealing with a non-elected board member until the next meeting - that - is hardly bottom up or democratic. I also point to the fact that you have intimated that you have unfinished business - and numerous times have intimated that you choose to stay because of the need to prevent certain occurrences and to protect certain people with your presence. At this point - I choose not to expand on that - however - if needs be I am quite prepared to do so. So let me now address this - you have lost the rights to act as protector of AfriNIC when you chose to violate the rules - you cannot protect the organisation from harm while you yourself tear up the rule book and act with such blatant disregard for the resolutions passed by and published by the very board you were chair of. Furthermore - Sunday to be blunt - these delays and the tactics to wait for investigations etc - quite frankly - again - on the harassment - I agree - on proven and admitted allegations however - I have a problem. See, I have seen this board promise investigations before - and I can raise multiple instances - where delays have then been used in the hope things will be forgotten - look at the competitions investigation for example - which we were promised would be invested more than 6 months ago - but have we heard a single word back since then? Considering the act under question is less than 15 pages long - the time delays are now nothing more than an attempt to hope that this community has a short memory - it doesn't - and this won't work - not this time. Please remember - everything said online - every email typed - every whatsapp message - every facebook post - once online echoes into eternity - all it takes is for someone willing to go and find it - and there are plenty members of this community who are quite willing to do that work in the face of this charade. Again - you violated the NDA - you admitted to violating the NDA - the evidence is on display for the world to see that you violated the NDA - how about living up to the obligations you yourself helped create? Are you really going to push this further dragging AfriNIC's name through the mud in the hope you can dodge one charge by being vindicated of another? Do you really believe that is the in the best interests of this organisation? Or are you merely choosing to pander to your own reputation? If it is the latter - you are doing it no favours Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 20 March 2018 18:50 To: Marcus K. G. Adomey ; General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net; Andrew Alston Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear Marcus Adomey and All, These are the scenarios that make it very difficult for leaders to operate effectively, due to vested interests. AfriNIC does not belong to any individual of fiefdom. Indeed it requires much more than the current herd mentality to make a success of it. Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to the GC whenever they request of it. Sunday. On 20/03/2018 11:58, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: Dear Reverend Sunday Folayan, The allegations against you are serious, from any angle no matter how tolerant one would like to be. You violated the NDA and abused your fiduciary responsibilities. This two infringements makes you ineligible to continue to serve as a board member. Besides this, in order that for the investigations into the allegations of sexual harassment etc to be truly independent, common sense and ethics require you to stand back from the board while it is ongoing not just step aside as chair. Please show us that you are a leader and man of the cloth. Many of us also expect appropriate and proportionate administrative measures to be considered for the other management staff involved in this. Marcus ________________________________ From: Andrew Alston Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:01:17 PM To: Sunday Folayan; General Discussions of AFRINIC; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear Former Chair, I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little disturbed. Firstly - let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the last few days - the details of which will remain private - you have chosen to ignore what has been stated so clearly. I draw attention to this part of your email: I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. Sunday - What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you signed as a board member - and yes I realize fully that you can argue what was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third party. In 2014 - the former board passed the following resolution: Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; Information discussed within the Board should not be disclosed to third parties without Board approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the public domain. Please note - that does not say formal board meeting - it says within the board - and considering the information under discussion in what was shared - it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged information and that discussion can be very much considered information discussed within the board - even if it is a subset of the board. A few months after this resolution was passed - two members of the board, Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA - and then chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning - that you now hold yourself to a different standard. I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair - and I wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing this email - but the reality is - rules have to be consistent - the application of rules has to be consistent - what applies to one must apply to all - anything else makes all rules meaningless - and what you are doing now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to be. Please - do what is right - and I strongly believe you know what that is. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 16 March 2018 17:38 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... 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URL: From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com Tue Mar 20 19:44:51 2018 From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <279001875.4090505.1521575091800@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Olutayo For harrament accusations, we can wait for investigation committee and the accusers said they will share more during investigations. However, for admitting to sharing information that was discussed between board members with a female staff, your former chairman doesn't need investigation on that one. Mirriam Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Sunday Olutayo wrote: An accused person remains innocent until the allegations are proved beyond reasonable doubt. The chairman has done the right thing by stepping aside as Chair, and allowing,? independent investigation to be conduct. Also the person, who has commended him for this act, has not done any wrong either, it is a rear thing among African leaders. It amount to immaturity and blackmailing, when you turn an unproven allegation into conviction by cast aspersion on his person without giving him fair hearing. So let wait till the allegation is proved. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 20, 2018 11:51 AM, "Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe" wrote: Lauren, ? It doesn?t hurt to commend somebody for an honorable thing they?ve done. I did not miss any of the lines. I read the email in its totality. ? Keep the community at peace, by stepping down or probably totally get off leadership ? as investigations go on ? I think that?s a good thing.. It is commendable. ? Besides, complementing the right move does not stop investigations or announce innocence. ? Even if he wasn?t, he?s innocent until proved guilty. ? Anyhow, I respect the fact that everyone needs to be treated with dignity, this includes us ladies in the work place. ? So I would rather, let justice take its course. Everyone has a right to defend themselves. ? Kind Regards, Gabriella. ? From: Mirriam [mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:45 PM To: Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment ? Gabriella, ? Sorry but I will quote below part of Sundays email. ? -------------- "While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me,? and believe these allegations are entirely spurious,? --------------- ? But then there are screen shots of late night awkward chats and staff seems to find a way out of the situation... ? --------------- I do acknowledge? that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. ------------------ ? Did you skip the above parts of Sunday's mail? ? My dear, unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that is offensive and unreasonably interfere with an employee's job performance or create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment is not acceptable and had far reaching consequences for the organization which is why we are all finding ourselves in this rather sensitive situation. ? Let's call a spade a spade... ? Mirriam ? ? ? On Friday, March 16, 2018, 5:56:40 PM GMT+3, Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe wrote: ? ? Mr. Chairman, This is an honorable decision, and a commendable move. Since you say the claims are not true, I pray you will be vindicated of all this - with all due respect. Gabriella. -----Original Message----- From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:38 PM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; members-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear members and the Community, Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization. I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the investigations on the harassment claims. May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served for all, on the matter. With Kind Regards .... Sunday Folayan. _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In all cases, wish you all the best and see you all in dakar ================= [1] Resolution 201803.391 WHEREAS certain allegations have been made in public against AFRINIC staff and Directors; WHEREAS an independent investigation is desirable; RESOLVED to request the Governance Committee to develop Terms of Reference for an independent investigation, and to appoint an Investigation Committee; RESOLVED that the Governance Committee report back to the Board by the 30th April 2018; RESOLVED that the CEO may approve related expenses up to a total of USD 15000. Gr?goire EHOUMI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Owen > On Mar 20, 2018, at 16:31 , Gregoire EHOUMI via Community-Discuss wrote: > > Hi, > > The board resolution [1] as expected, asked GC to report back to the board and GC advices are not binding(cf GC TOR). > The CEO/ board will be approving things for the GC, receive investigation report and decide on actions stream. > Thus, the clear necessity for the board and management staff accused to stand back from board and executive actions. > Care should be taken for the investigation committee for real independent, neutral and credible investigations. Also we shall act in full compliance with governing laws. > > BTW, > > 1- why the limit of 15,000 USD? > > 2- Are we limited in ressources for this investigation? > > 3- What would be the impact? > > Thanks. > > In all cases, wish you all the best and see you all in dakar > > ================= > [1] Resolution 201803.391 > WHEREAS certain allegations have been made in public against AFRINIC staff and Directors; > WHEREAS an independent investigation is desirable; > RESOLVED to request the Governance Committee to develop Terms of Reference for an independent investigation, and to appoint an Investigation Committee; > RESOLVED that the Governance Committee report back to the Board by the 30th April 2018; > RESOLVED that the CEO may approve related expenses up to a total of USD 15000. > > > Gr?goire EHOUMI > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olutayo at olutayo.ng Tue Mar 20 17:23:35 2018 From: olutayo at olutayo.ng (Sunday Olutayo) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:23:35 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Message-ID: An accused person remains innocent until the allegations are proved beyond reasonable doubt. The chairman has done the right thing by stepping aside as Chair, and allowing,? independent investigation to be conduct. Also the person, who has commended him for this act, has not done any wrong either, it is a rear thing among African leaders. It amount to immaturity and blackmailing, when you turn an unproven allegation into conviction by cast aspersion on his person without giving him fair hearing. So let wait till the allegation is proved. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 20, 2018 11:51 AM, "Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe" wrote: > > Lauren, > > ? > > It doesn?t hurt to commend somebody for an honorable thing they?ve done. I did not miss any of the lines. I read the email in its totality. > > ? > > Keep the community at peace, by stepping down or probably totally get off leadership ? as investigations go on ? I think that?s a good thing.. It is commendable. > > ? > > Besides, complementing the right move does not stop investigations or announce innocence. > > ? > > Even if he wasn?t, he?s innocent until proved guilty. > > ? > > Anyhow, I respect the fact that everyone needs to be treated with dignity, this includes us ladies in the work place. > > ? > > So I would rather, let justice take its course. Everyone has a right to defend themselves. > > ? > > Kind Regards, > > Gabriella. > > ? > > From: Mirriam [mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:45 PM > To: Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > ? > > Gabriella, > > ? > > Sorry but I will quote below part of Sundays email. > > ? > > -------------- > > "While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me,? and believe these allegations are entirely spurious,? > > --------------- > > ? > > But then there are screen shots of late night awkward chats and staff seems to find a way out of the situation... > > ? > > --------------- > > I do acknowledge? that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. > > ------------------ > > ? > > Did you skip the above parts of Sunday's mail? > > ? > > My dear, unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that is offensive and unreasonably interfere with an employee's job performance or create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment is not acceptable and had far reaching consequences for the organization which is why we are all finding ourselves in this rather sensitive situation. > > ? > > Let's call a spade a spade... > > ? > > Mirriam > > ? > > ? > > ? > > On Friday, March 16, 2018, 5:56:40 PM GMT+3, Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe wrote: > > ? > > ? > > Mr. Chairman, > > > This is an honorable decision, and a commendable move. > > Since you say the claims are not true, I pray you will be vindicated of all > this - with all due respect. > > > Gabriella. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:38 PM > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > members-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Dear members and the Community, > > Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious and > by very nature threaten to further divide this community and represent a > threat to the AfriNIC organization. > > I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of the > Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised further. > > While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and > believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge that I > shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with > more caution, no matter how good the intention was. > > It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of the > investigations on the harassment claims. > > May I most respectfully request that we await the independent investigation > that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the community can come > out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member of the community. > > I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the Board. > > I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being served > for all, on the matter. > > With Kind Regards .... > > Sunday Folayan. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Wed Mar 21 06:41:28 2018 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:41:28 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear All, Its unsual for me to keep this quite but i will where a members hat and the community hat and state my view point in this serious matter. On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 6:52 p.m. Sunday Folayan, wrote: > Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you > have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the > lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you > again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to > the GC whenever they request of it. > Sunday, I am unusually quite especially in the wake of this unproffessional conduct by yourself that is putting the organisation at risk "considering your admissions". Abraham Lincoln coined that; " You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all the time." In otherword, the GC and the Investigation committee will go on and investigate complains of "moral harrassment", "sexual harrassment" and "usage of inappropriate language in the work place" that is Afrinic and come up with a report that will be subjected to the board "save for the conflict of interest" and later be shared with this community. So the justice line of "Innocent until proven guilty: shall apply here in the meantime" for justice must prevail. However, however, however, lets me make some thing very very clear, that there is the real issue of the unproffessional conduct which involves the violation of the NDA as a board member and the disregards of ethics and privacy. In your own words and I will quote you below. "I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was." So in you own wisdom, you really believe this community is foolish. The information you shared in that chat/chats was not for staff consumption as it was under the perview of the board as it involves Afrinic operations. How does sharing such information as a board member with a junior staff member who is a subodinate of the CEO and you bragging about it based on the chat content in any way "good intension" as you put it. This is the worst level of unproffessionalism I have ever come across if you asked me. You sharing what a sus-section of the board have discussed in terms of the human resources of the organisation with "Nadage" knowing very well that you had also discussed the same issue privately with the CEO and then you go ahead and share such chats with Nadage is completely out of order and undermined the CEO. Did it ever cross your mind that by you sharing such information and more with a junior staff and a subordinate of the CEO; 1.That the act of chats sharing would cause a situation of insabodination when a junior staff has access to such information about their own manager and how it would affect their relationship as a team and how it would undermine Alan Barrett as a CEO. 2. You sharing those chats, clearly made a mockery out of the CEO to his subordinates who see him as their leader in the organisation. 3.You sharing those chats have painted a very wrong image of the perception the a group of board members think of a certain section of this community with the whole "Francos" and "Trouble makers" comments. 4.You sharing those chats have reminded us all the dangerous situations an organisation can find itself when board members start discussing board business and operation issues with subodinate members of staff where a CEO exists. 5.Is it boards role to promise staff job security, protection and promotions depending on how close they are to the board members?. What kind of habit is this? 6. You sharing those chats, have led Afrinic into the situation it finds itself right now with the rest of the RIR community looking at how a hell of a mess Afrinic has become in terms of Leadership and how "bad leadership skills" can pretty much ruin an organisation. And i shall ask; Where is the privacy? Where is the ethics? Where is the intetgrity? Where is that level of proffessionalism leader must have? We can all seat here and act like this is just some joke about one or two staff complaining but Sunday Folayani's behaviour is totally out of order come rain come shine. Sunday I call upon you to stepdown from the board based on the fact that you are very unproffessional and unethical in my view. And for the rest of the membership, with or without elections, we have to fix this mess and I call upon you all to help fix this mess. Thanks, Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opomulero at akinbo.ng Wed Mar 21 09:38:33 2018 From: opomulero at akinbo.ng (Adebunmi AKINBO) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:38:33 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and Administration since 2015 In-Reply-To: <7BC1FABD-D3FC-4BF4-A7DD-B5799E9A462E@nftconsult.com> References: <692BE219-F060-4A52-A1A5-E792169812B6@registry.net.za> <7BC1FABD-D3FC-4BF4-A7DD-B5799E9A462E@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: +1 Badru I suggest patience. Diligence never harms anyone. Allegations differ from guilt. Who should be more careful not to damage the image of the organisation. Regards. Akinbo. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Badru Ntege wrote: > @Lucky > > Thanks for the re-assurance. As the matter has become public can we > please escalate as quick closure will help us. > > Let?s assume the board will give us an official position on any actions in > the next few days as has been suggested by others in this thread. > > We are sure that we still have some Good people in the board so waiting > for the leadership the community vested in the nine members. > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 22:07, Lucky Masilela > wrote: > > > > Dear Kawashe, AFRINIC Community > > > > Kindly note that the board is in receipt of a similar document > (complaint) from Ms V. Thuron and will look into this matter accordingly. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lucky Masilela > > > > Chairperson REMCO on behalf of the board > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kaweshe sichali kaweshesichali at gmail.com>> > > Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 7:50 AM > > Subject: [Community-Discuss] No Update from AFRINIC HR and > Administration since 2015 > > To: >> > > > > > > Damola and wide community, > > > > a lot of mess in the organization, time for the community and members > too be concerned. document attached will show the community the cabal who > seat on the afrinic board and are failing and interfering in the > organization. sex harassment, threats and embarrassments of staff and > witchhunt by members of board. some board member make advanced to women > staff. sunday folayani, hyttam, and patrice and entire cabal must resign. > ceo overtaken by cabal and cant make own decisions as cabal from board run > organisation. even some board members from nigeria are now contracted to do > work afrinic projects conflict of interest. > > > > investigation must be open. read attached document. afrinic chairman > and member of his cabal must resign immediately. they are a shame and will > harass and frustrate female employees. > > > > stay tuned > > kaweshe > > > > PS: dont bother to find who is kaweshe. > > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:35 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > > Hello > > > > I have read the report on https://www.afrinic.net/ > images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2016.pdf. > > There is neither the mentioning of turnover nor the reasons for > departures of staffs in the report. > > For example AFRINIC is current recruiting a PR and Marketing Manager as > advertised on https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career. > > If Mr Yavisht Toolseeya gave plausible and complete explanations in his > report, today this job opening would be justifiable. > > > > regards > > -- > > Damola Olajide > > Network & Security Engineer > > Lagos, Nigeria > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:40 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > According to https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-23/images/AF-23- > Slides/3-Dec-15/Yavitsh.pdf, there have been a fall in the turnover from > 2010 to 2015 with a spike in 2014. > > > > The reason for departures are for better opportunities according to page > 11 of the PDF. > > > > I searched for the recent Afrinic meeting reports on the Afrinic website > since days and noticed that there is no report as such as from 2016 till > today. > > > > From the Afrinic website, we can see that the HR and Administration > department has grown, but it is hard to make an assessment of its > efficiency as there are no reports available recently. > > > > Shall the HR department (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya) submit a report for 2018 > on the next Afrinic meeting, the Afrinic community will be able to make a > diligent assessment of the situation ! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > Damola Olajide > > Network & Security Engineer > > Lagos, Nigeria > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opomulero at akinbo.ng Wed Mar 21 09:58:14 2018 From: opomulero at akinbo.ng (Adebunmi AKINBO) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:58:14 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Community Leaders and Members, 'once online echoes into eternity' If we consider the above i advise that we make our contributions to the committee setup. Kindly await final reports. The image of AFRINIC is more at stake than any individual. Regards. -Akinbo A. A. Cornerstone. On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Noah wrote: > Dear All, > > Its unsual for me to keep this quite but i will where a members hat and > the community hat and state my view point in this serious matter. > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 6:52 p.m. Sunday Folayan, wrote: > >> Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you >> have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the >> lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you >> again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to >> the GC whenever they request of it. >> > Sunday, > > I am unusually quite especially in the wake of this unproffessional > conduct by yourself that is putting the organisation at risk "considering > your admissions". > > Abraham Lincoln coined that; > > " You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some > of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all the time." > > In otherword, the GC and the Investigation committee will go on and > investigate complains of "moral harrassment", "sexual harrassment" and > "usage of inappropriate language in the work place" that is Afrinic and > come up with a report that will be subjected to the board "save for the > conflict of interest" and later be shared with this community. So the > justice line of "Innocent until proven guilty: shall apply here in the > meantime" for justice must prevail. > > > However, however, however, lets me make some thing very very clear, that > there is the real issue of the unproffessional conduct which involves the > violation of the NDA as a board member and the disregards of ethics and > privacy. > > In your own words and I will quote you below. > > "I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which > should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the > intention was." > > So in you own wisdom, you really believe this community is foolish. The > information you shared in that chat/chats was not for staff consumption as > it was under the perview of the board as it involves Afrinic operations. > > How does sharing such information as a board member with a junior staff > member who is a subodinate of the CEO and you bragging about it based on > the chat content in any way "good intension" as you put it. > > This is the worst level of unproffessionalism I have ever come across if > you asked me. You sharing what a sus-section of the board have discussed in > terms of the human resources of the organisation with "Nadage" knowing very > well that you had also discussed the same issue privately with the CEO and > then you go ahead and share such chats with Nadage is completely out of > order and undermined the CEO. > > Did it ever cross your mind that by you sharing such information and more > with a junior staff and a subordinate of the CEO; > > 1.That the act of chats sharing would cause a situation of insabodination > when a junior staff has access to such information about their own manager > and how it would affect their relationship as a team and how it would > undermine Alan Barrett as a CEO. > > 2. You sharing those chats, clearly made a mockery out of the CEO to his > subordinates who see him as their leader in the organisation. > > 3.You sharing those chats have painted a very wrong image of the > perception the a group of board members think of a certain section of this > community with the whole "Francos" and "Trouble makers" comments. > > 4.You sharing those chats have reminded us all the dangerous situations an > organisation can find itself when board members start discussing board > business and operation issues with subodinate members of staff where a CEO > exists. > > 5.Is it boards role to promise staff job security, protection and > promotions depending on how close they are to the board members?. What kind > of habit is this? > > 6. You sharing those chats, have led Afrinic into the situation it finds > itself right now with the rest of the RIR community looking at how a hell > of a mess Afrinic has become in terms of Leadership and how "bad leadership > skills" can pretty much ruin an organisation. > > And i shall ask; > > Where is the privacy? > Where is the ethics? > Where is the intetgrity? > Where is that level of proffessionalism leader must have? > > We can all seat here and act like this is just some joke about one or two > staff complaining but Sunday Folayani's behaviour is totally out of order > come rain come shine. > > Sunday I call upon you to stepdown from the board based on the fact that > you are very unproffessional and unethical in my view. > > And for the rest of the membership, with or without elections, we have to > fix this mess and I call upon you all to help fix this mess. > > Thanks, > Noah > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry.macharia at me.com Wed Mar 21 11:32:32 2018 From: barry.macharia at me.com (Barry Macharia) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:32:32 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Sunday My two cent as member of this community As much as we can wait for the investigation committe to deal with issues of harassment, Am more concerned about you ,while as the board of director and chairman, used your position to share private board discussion ref: Afrinic business with a junior female member of staff in Afrinic. You sent her messages and you have since admitted to this fact. This is a Violation of the NDA. Dont attempt to cover up the fact that you violated the NDA that you yourself signed. Kindly step down from the board end of story regards barry > On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:58, Adebunmi AKINBO wrote: > > Dear Community Leaders and Members, > 'once online echoes into eternity' > If we consider the above i advise that we make our contributions to the committee setup. > Kindly await final reports. > > The image of AFRINIC is more at stake than any individual. > Regards. > -Akinbo A. A. Cornerstone. > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Noah > wrote: > Dear All, > > Its unsual for me to keep this quite but i will where a members hat and the community hat and state my view point in this serious matter. > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 6:52 p.m. Sunday Folayan, > wrote: > Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to the GC whenever they request of it. > > Sunday, > > I am unusually quite especially in the wake of this unproffessional conduct by yourself that is putting the organisation at risk "considering your admissions". > > Abraham Lincoln coined that; > > " You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all the time." > > In otherword, the GC and the Investigation committee will go on and investigate complains of "moral harrassment", "sexual harrassment" and "usage of inappropriate language in the work place" that is Afrinic and come up with a report that will be subjected to the board "save for the conflict of interest" and later be shared with this community. So the justice line of "Innocent until proven guilty: shall apply here in the meantime" for justice must prevail. > > > However, however, however, lets me make some thing very very clear, that there is the real issue of the unproffessional conduct which involves the violation of the NDA as a board member and the disregards of ethics and privacy. > > In your own words and I will quote you below. > > "I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was." > > So in you own wisdom, you really believe this community is foolish. The information you shared in that chat/chats was not for staff consumption as it was under the perview of the board as it involves Afrinic operations. > > How does sharing such information as a board member with a junior staff member who is a subodinate of the CEO and you bragging about it based on the chat content in any way "good intension" as you put it. > > This is the worst level of unproffessionalism I have ever come across if you asked me. You sharing what a sus-section of the board have discussed in terms of the human resources of the organisation with "Nadage" knowing very well that you had also discussed the same issue privately with the CEO and then you go ahead and share such chats with Nadage is completely out of order and undermined the CEO. > > Did it ever cross your mind that by you sharing such information and more with a junior staff and a subordinate of the CEO; > > 1.That the act of chats sharing would cause a situation of insabodination when a junior staff has access to such information about their own manager and how it would affect their relationship as a team and how it would undermine Alan Barrett as a CEO. > > 2. You sharing those chats, clearly made a mockery out of the CEO to his subordinates who see him as their leader in the organisation. > > 3.You sharing those chats have painted a very wrong image of the perception the a group of board members think of a certain section of this community with the whole "Francos" and "Trouble makers" comments. > > 4.You sharing those chats have reminded us all the dangerous situations an organisation can find itself when board members start discussing board business and operation issues with subodinate members of staff where a CEO exists. > > 5.Is it boards role to promise staff job security, protection and promotions depending on how close they are to the board members?. What kind of habit is this? > > 6. You sharing those chats, have led Afrinic into the situation it finds itself right now with the rest of the RIR community looking at how a hell of a mess Afrinic has become in terms of Leadership and how "bad leadership skills" can pretty much ruin an organisation. > > And i shall ask; > > Where is the privacy? > Where is the ethics? > Where is the intetgrity? > Where is that level of proffessionalism leader must have? > > We can all seat here and act like this is just some joke about one or two staff complaining but Sunday Folayani's behaviour is totally out of order come rain come shine. > > Sunday I call upon you to stepdown from the board based on the fact that you are very unproffessional and unethical in my view. > > And for the rest of the membership, with or without elections, we have to fix this mess and I call upon you all to help fix this mess. > > Thanks, > Noah > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uffa_modey at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 14:56:59 2018 From: uffa_modey at yahoo.com (Uffa Modey) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1418238115.4717802.1521644219536@mail.yahoo.com> Dear all, We know for a fact Mr Sunday violated the NDA as he has even admitted it also. At this point, can we stop expecting him to do honorable thing and step down as a board member? Is there no law within our esteemed RIR that compels such an act to be dealt with immediately? Why are depending on him to willingly step down? 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This may be a limit to my imagination, but I?m unable to come up with any reason such an investigation should cost more than about $5,000. Owen > On Mar 21, 2018, at 20:49 , Gregoire Ehoumi wrote: > > Hi , > > I can not say whether this limit of $15000 is reasonable or not. > > But I want to be sure that, this investigation will not be impacted by resource limitations. > > Gregoire EHOUMI > > ------ Original message------ > From: Owen DeLong > Date: Tue, Mar 20, 2018 10:31 PM > To: Gregoire EHOUMI; > Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net ; > Subject:Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" > > Regarding why $15,000 limit? > > Because fiduciary responsibility dictates that they must set some limit. IMHO, $15,000 is a rather large budget > for the investigation required in this case, but I can understand the board not wanting to be seen as imposing > some unreasonable limit in this case, so $15,000 seems like a reasonably over-the-top number without getting > too excessive. > > Do you actually think that the number is out of line? If so, in what way? > > Owen > >> On Mar 20, 2018, at 16:31 , Gregoire EHOUMI via Community-Discuss > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> The board resolution [1] as expected, asked GC to report back to the board and GC advices are not binding(cf GC TOR). >> The CEO/ board will be approving things for the GC, receive investigation report and decide on actions stream. >> Thus, the clear necessity for the board and management staff accused to stand back from board and executive actions. >> Care should be taken for the investigation committee for real independent, neutral and credible investigations. Also we shall act in full compliance with governing laws. >> >> BTW, >> >> 1- why the limit of 15,000 USD? >> >> 2- Are we limited in ressources for this investigation? >> >> 3- What would be the impact? >> >> Thanks. >> >> In all cases, wish you all the best and see you all in dakar >> >> ================= >> [1] Resolution 201803.391 >> WHEREAS certain allegations have been made in public against AFRINIC staff and Directors; >> WHEREAS an independent investigation is desirable; >> RESOLVED to request the Governance Committee to develop Terms of Reference for an independent investigation, and to appoint an Investigation Committee; >> RESOLVED that the Governance Committee report back to the Board by the 30th April 2018; >> RESOLVED that the CEO may approve related expenses up to a total of USD 15000. >> >> >> Gr?goire EHOUMI >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr Thu Mar 22 03:49:04 2018 From: gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr (Gregoire Ehoumi) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 23:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" Message-ID: Hi , I can not say whether this limit of $15000 is reasonable or not. But I want to be sure that, this investigation will not be impacted by resource limitations. Gregoire EHOUMI ------ Original message------From: Owen DeLongDate: Tue, Mar 20, 2018 10:31 PMTo: Gregoire EHOUMI;Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net;Subject:Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work environment at AFRINIC" Regarding why $15,000 limit? Because fiduciary responsibility dictates that they must set some limit. IMHO, $15,000 is a rather large budgetfor the investigation required in this case, but I can understand the board not wanting to be seen as imposingsome unreasonable limit in this case, so $15,000 seems like a reasonably over-the-top number without gettingtoo excessive. Do you actually think that the number is out of line? If so, in what way? Owen On Mar 20, 2018, at 16:31 , Gregoire EHOUMI via Community-Discuss wrote: Hi, The board resolution [1] as expected, asked GC to report back to the board and GC advices are not binding(cf GC TOR).?The CEO/ board will be approving things for the GC, receive investigation report and decide on actions stream.?Thus, the clear necessity for the board and management staff accused to stand back from board and executive actions.?Care should be taken for the investigation committee for real independent, neutral and credible investigations. Also we shall act in full compliance with governing laws. BTW,? 1- why the limit of 15,000 USD?? 2- Are we limited in ressources for this investigation? ? 3- What would be the impact? Thanks. In all cases, wish you all the best and see you all in dakar =================[1] Resolution 201803.391WHEREAS certain allegations have been made in public against AFRINIC staff and Directors;WHEREAS an independent investigation is desirable;RESOLVED to request the Governance Committee to develop Terms of Reference for an independent investigation, and to appoint an Investigation Committee;RESOLVED that the Governance Committee report back to the Board by the 30th April 2018;RESOLVED that the CEO may approve related expenses up to a total of USD 15000. Gr?goire EHOUMI _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnoulaye at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 11:03:55 2018 From: jnoulaye at gmail.com (Janvier NGNOULAYE) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:03:55 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: *I was really confused when I read this story of allegation here.* *I fully support the view of Mr Noah, who came out with more clarifications on the matter.* *So please my dear brother Sunday, kindly step down from the board of Directors for the sake of the Afrinic business, as many are trying to advice you here.* *Regards* *Janvier Ngnoulaye* *Former Afrinic Board Member.* 2018-03-21 7:41 GMT+01:00 Noah : > Dear All, > > Its unsual for me to keep this quite but i will where a members hat and > the community hat and state my view point in this serious matter. > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 6:52 p.m. Sunday Folayan, wrote: > >> Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you >> have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the >> lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you >> again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to >> the GC whenever they request of it. >> > Sunday, > > I am unusually quite especially in the wake of this unproffessional > conduct by yourself that is putting the organisation at risk "considering > your admissions". > > Abraham Lincoln coined that; > > " You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some > of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all the time." > > In otherword, the GC and the Investigation committee will go on and > investigate complains of "moral harrassment", "sexual harrassment" and > "usage of inappropriate language in the work place" that is Afrinic and > come up with a report that will be subjected to the board "save for the > conflict of interest" and later be shared with this community. So the > justice line of "Innocent until proven guilty: shall apply here in the > meantime" for justice must prevail. > > > However, however, however, lets me make some thing very very clear, that > there is the real issue of the unproffessional conduct which involves the > violation of the NDA as a board member and the disregards of ethics and > privacy. > > In your own words and I will quote you below. > > "I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which > should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the > intention was." > > So in you own wisdom, you really believe this community is foolish. The > information you shared in that chat/chats was not for staff consumption as > it was under the perview of the board as it involves Afrinic operations. > > How does sharing such information as a board member with a junior staff > member who is a subodinate of the CEO and you bragging about it based on > the chat content in any way "good intension" as you put it. > > This is the worst level of unproffessionalism I have ever come across if > you asked me. You sharing what a sus-section of the board have discussed in > terms of the human resources of the organisation with "Nadage" knowing very > well that you had also discussed the same issue privately with the CEO and > then you go ahead and share such chats with Nadage is completely out of > order and undermined the CEO. > > Did it ever cross your mind that by you sharing such information and more > with a junior staff and a subordinate of the CEO; > > 1.That the act of chats sharing would cause a situation of insabodination > when a junior staff has access to such information about their own manager > and how it would affect their relationship as a team and how it would > undermine Alan Barrett as a CEO. > > 2. You sharing those chats, clearly made a mockery out of the CEO to his > subordinates who see him as their leader in the organisation. > > 3.You sharing those chats have painted a very wrong image of the > perception the a group of board members think of a certain section of this > community with the whole "Francos" and "Trouble makers" comments. > > 4.You sharing those chats have reminded us all the dangerous situations an > organisation can find itself when board members start discussing board > business and operation issues with subodinate members of staff where a CEO > exists. > > 5.Is it boards role to promise staff job security, protection and > promotions depending on how close they are to the board members?. What kind > of habit is this? > > 6. You sharing those chats, have led Afrinic into the situation it finds > itself right now with the rest of the RIR community looking at how a hell > of a mess Afrinic has become in terms of Leadership and how "bad leadership > skills" can pretty much ruin an organisation. > > And i shall ask; > > Where is the privacy? > Where is the ethics? > Where is the intetgrity? > Where is that level of proffessionalism leader must have? > > We can all seat here and act like this is just some joke about one or two > staff complaining but Sunday Folayani's behaviour is totally out of order > come rain come shine. > > Sunday I call upon you to stepdown from the board based on the fact that > you are very unproffessional and unethical in my view. > > And for the rest of the membership, with or without elections, we have to > fix this mess and I call upon you all to help fix this mess. > > Thanks, > Noah > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isabel.odida at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 12:28:57 2018 From: isabel.odida at gmail.com (Isabel Odida) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:28:57 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear community members, I am in full agreement with you Barry! Dear Sunday, 1. You are tearing down the community. It is not fair what you're doing and neither is it worth it. 2. You are exhibiting malice and corruption and that's the last thing the community needs. 3. You have been unethical and unprofessional in your dealings and we can't have a body living with a rotten head. 4. You are no longer wanted but you insist on staying, why is that Reverend? I speak on behalf of the women and the youth of this community that should be looking up to you. PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten? Kind regards, Isabel On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Barry Macharia wrote: > Dear Sunday > > My two cent as member of this community > As much as we can wait for the investigation committe to deal with issues > of harassment, Am more concerned about you ,while as the board of director > and chairman, used your position to share private board discussion ref: > Afrinic business with a junior female member of staff in Afrinic. You sent > her messages and you have since admitted to this fact. > This is a Violation of the NDA. > Dont attempt to cover up the fact that you violated the NDA that you > yourself signed. > Kindly step down from the board end of story > > > regards > barry > > > > On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:58, Adebunmi AKINBO wrote: > > Dear Community Leaders and Members, > 'once online echoes into eternity' > If we consider the above i advise that we make our contributions to the > committee setup. > Kindly await final reports. > > The image of AFRINIC is more at stake than any individual. > Regards. > -Akinbo A. A. Cornerstone. > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Noah wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Its unsual for me to keep this quite but i will where a members hat and >> the community hat and state my view point in this serious matter. >> >> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 6:52 p.m. Sunday Folayan, >> wrote: >> >>> Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you >>> have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the >>> lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you >>> again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to >>> the GC whenever they request of it. >>> >> Sunday, >> >> I am unusually quite especially in the wake of this unproffessional >> conduct by yourself that is putting the organisation at risk "considering >> your admissions". >> >> Abraham Lincoln coined that; >> >> " You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some >> of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all the time." >> >> In otherword, the GC and the Investigation committee will go on and >> investigate complains of "moral harrassment", "sexual harrassment" and >> "usage of inappropriate language in the work place" that is Afrinic and >> come up with a report that will be subjected to the board "save for the >> conflict of interest" and later be shared with this community. So the >> justice line of "Innocent until proven guilty: shall apply here in the >> meantime" for justice must prevail. >> >> >> However, however, however, lets me make some thing very very clear, that >> there is the real issue of the unproffessional conduct which involves the >> violation of the NDA as a board member and the disregards of ethics and >> privacy. >> >> In your own words and I will quote you below. >> >> "I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which >> should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the >> intention was." >> >> So in you own wisdom, you really believe this community is foolish. The >> information you shared in that chat/chats was not for staff consumption as >> it was under the perview of the board as it involves Afrinic operations. >> >> How does sharing such information as a board member with a junior staff >> member who is a subodinate of the CEO and you bragging about it based on >> the chat content in any way "good intension" as you put it. >> >> This is the worst level of unproffessionalism I have ever come across if >> you asked me. You sharing what a sus-section of the board have discussed in >> terms of the human resources of the organisation with "Nadage" knowing very >> well that you had also discussed the same issue privately with the CEO and >> then you go ahead and share such chats with Nadage is completely out of >> order and undermined the CEO. >> >> Did it ever cross your mind that by you sharing such information and more >> with a junior staff and a subordinate of the CEO; >> >> 1.That the act of chats sharing would cause a situation of insabodination >> when a junior staff has access to such information about their own manager >> and how it would affect their relationship as a team and how it would >> undermine Alan Barrett as a CEO. >> >> 2. You sharing those chats, clearly made a mockery out of the CEO to his >> subordinates who see him as their leader in the organisation. >> >> 3.You sharing those chats have painted a very wrong image of the >> perception the a group of board members think of a certain section of this >> community with the whole "Francos" and "Trouble makers" comments. >> >> 4.You sharing those chats have reminded us all the dangerous situations >> an organisation can find itself when board members start discussing board >> business and operation issues with subodinate members of staff where a CEO >> exists. >> >> 5.Is it boards role to promise staff job security, protection and >> promotions depending on how close they are to the board members?. What kind >> of habit is this? >> >> 6. You sharing those chats, have led Afrinic into the situation it finds >> itself right now with the rest of the RIR community looking at how a hell >> of a mess Afrinic has become in terms of Leadership and how "bad leadership >> skills" can pretty much ruin an organisation. >> >> And i shall ask; >> >> Where is the privacy? >> Where is the ethics? >> Where is the intetgrity? >> Where is that level of proffessionalism leader must have? >> >> We can all seat here and act like this is just some joke about one or two >> staff complaining but Sunday Folayani's behaviour is totally out of order >> come rain come shine. >> >> Sunday I call upon you to stepdown from the board based on the fact that >> you are very unproffessional and unethical in my view. >> >> And for the rest of the membership, with or without elections, we have to >> fix this mess and I call upon you all to help fix this mess. >> >> Thanks, >> Noah >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You are no longer wanted but you insist on staying, why is that > Reverend? > > I speak on behalf of the women and the youth of this community that should > be looking up to you. > > PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten? > > Kind regards, > Isabel > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Barry Macharia > wrote: > >> Dear Sunday >> >> My two cent as member of this community >> As much as we can wait for the investigation committe to deal with issues >> of harassment, Am more concerned about you ,while as the board of director >> and chairman, used your position to share private board discussion ref: >> Afrinic business with a junior female member of staff in Afrinic. You sent >> her messages and you have since admitted to this fact. >> This is a Violation of the NDA. >> Dont attempt to cover up the fact that you violated the NDA that you >> yourself signed. >> Kindly step down from the board end of story >> >> >> regards >> barry >> >> >> >> On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:58, Adebunmi AKINBO wrote: >> >> Dear Community Leaders and Members, >> 'once online echoes into eternity' >> If we consider the above i advise that we make our contributions to the >> committee setup. >> Kindly await final reports. >> >> The image of AFRINIC is more at stake than any individual. >> Regards. >> -Akinbo A. A. Cornerstone. >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Noah wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Its unsual for me to keep this quite but i will where a members hat and >>> the community hat and state my view point in this serious matter. >>> >>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 6:52 p.m. Sunday Folayan, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Since you and a number of people fail to heed the warning that what you >>>> have is an allegation, Since a number of people cannot read between the >>>> lines, Since silence is no longer golden but seen as cowadice, I remind you >>>> again that this remains an allegation and I shall respond appropriately to >>>> the GC whenever they request of it. >>>> >>> Sunday, >>> >>> I am unusually quite especially in the wake of this unproffessional >>> conduct by yourself that is putting the organisation at risk "considering >>> your admissions". >>> >>> Abraham Lincoln coined that; >>> >>> " You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people >>> some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all the time." >>> >>> In otherword, the GC and the Investigation committee will go on and >>> investigate complains of "moral harrassment", "sexual harrassment" and >>> "usage of inappropriate language in the work place" that is Afrinic and >>> come up with a report that will be subjected to the board "save for the >>> conflict of interest" and later be shared with this community. So the >>> justice line of "Innocent until proven guilty: shall apply here in the >>> meantime" for justice must prevail. >>> >>> >>> However, however, however, lets me make some thing very very clear, that >>> there is the real issue of the unproffessional conduct which involves the >>> violation of the NDA as a board member and the disregards of ethics and >>> privacy. >>> >>> In your own words and I will quote you below. >>> >>> "I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) >>> which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the >>> intention was." >>> >>> So in you own wisdom, you really believe this community is foolish. The >>> information you shared in that chat/chats was not for staff consumption as >>> it was under the perview of the board as it involves Afrinic operations. >>> >>> How does sharing such information as a board member with a junior staff >>> member who is a subodinate of the CEO and you bragging about it based on >>> the chat content in any way "good intension" as you put it. >>> >>> This is the worst level of unproffessionalism I have ever come across if >>> you asked me. You sharing what a sus-section of the board have discussed in >>> terms of the human resources of the organisation with "Nadage" knowing very >>> well that you had also discussed the same issue privately with the CEO and >>> then you go ahead and share such chats with Nadage is completely out of >>> order and undermined the CEO. >>> >>> Did it ever cross your mind that by you sharing such information and >>> more with a junior staff and a subordinate of the CEO; >>> >>> 1.That the act of chats sharing would cause a situation of >>> insabodination when a junior staff has access to such information about >>> their own manager and how it would affect their relationship as a team and >>> how it would undermine Alan Barrett as a CEO. >>> >>> 2. You sharing those chats, clearly made a mockery out of the CEO to his >>> subordinates who see him as their leader in the organisation. >>> >>> 3.You sharing those chats have painted a very wrong image of the >>> perception the a group of board members think of a certain section of this >>> community with the whole "Francos" and "Trouble makers" comments. >>> >>> 4.You sharing those chats have reminded us all the dangerous situations >>> an organisation can find itself when board members start discussing board >>> business and operation issues with subodinate members of staff where a CEO >>> exists. >>> >>> 5.Is it boards role to promise staff job security, protection and >>> promotions depending on how close they are to the board members?. What kind >>> of habit is this? >>> >>> 6. You sharing those chats, have led Afrinic into the situation it finds >>> itself right now with the rest of the RIR community looking at how a hell >>> of a mess Afrinic has become in terms of Leadership and how "bad leadership >>> skills" can pretty much ruin an organisation. >>> >>> And i shall ask; >>> >>> Where is the privacy? >>> Where is the ethics? >>> Where is the intetgrity? >>> Where is that level of proffessionalism leader must have? >>> >>> We can all seat here and act like this is just some joke about one or >>> two staff complaining but Sunday Folayani's behaviour is totally out of >>> order come rain come shine. >>> >>> Sunday I call upon you to stepdown from the board based on the fact that >>> you are very unproffessional and unethical in my view. >>> >>> And for the rest of the membership, with or without elections, we have >>> to fix this mess and I call upon you all to help fix this mess. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Noah >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evelyngeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:08:57 2018 From: evelyngeek at gmail.com (Evelyn Namara) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:08:57 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: Dear all, I seem to get a general sense that the sexual allegations are a lesser concern to this community than the NDA violation. To me, both offenses carry the same weight and therefore should be treated with the same level of urgency. One of the reasons more women are not in this tech Industry even after studying and excelling in Technology and Engineering degrees is because of fear of their own safety. We must be very vocal on issues of sexual harassment especially in a male-dominated field. Yes, I know these allegations are pending investigations; so don't remind me of this; My one plea is that this issue is not swept under the rug and that it is looked at with the ultimate care and urgency, it deserves. It would also be helpful for the community to know the timelines of these investigations. Are we waiting for weeks, months, a year? When should we expect a report on these issues? Thank you. On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Sander Steffann wrote: > Hi Isabel, > > > PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten? > > He doesn't seem to have been the person violating the NDA, so that part of > the accusation doesn't relate to him. > > Cheers, > Sander > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Evelyn Namara Phone: +256754440893 Skype: enamara Twitter: enamara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Thu Mar 22 14:15:32 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:15:32 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: Dear Evelyn, Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, all allegations will be investigated. As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018. Alan Barrett From sander at steffann.nl Thu Mar 22 14:16:19 2018 From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:16:19 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: <425F8F1F-E066-4F44-B363-6A4714879AB8@steffann.nl> Hi Evelyn, > I seem to get a general sense that the sexual allegations are a lesser concern to this community than the NDA violation. To me, both offenses carry the same weight and therefore should be treated with the same level of urgency. I personally feel that the sexual allegations are more disturbing than the NDA violation. It's just that there is already an admission on the NDA issue, so we can take more immediate action on that. > One of the reasons more women are not in this tech Industry even after studying and excelling in Technology and Engineering degrees is because of fear of their own safety. We must be very vocal on issues of sexual harassment especially in a male-dominated field. I fully agree. Proper professional and respectful behaviour is extremely important. Every time I see a violation to these simple human principles it shocks and saddens me. And it is important that people from the same "group" speak up when someone misbehaves. People who misbehave must not be supported by their peers to send a clear signal that it is not ok. > Yes, I know these allegations are pending investigations; so don't remind me of this; My one plea is that this issue is not swept under the rug and that it is looked at with the ultimate care and urgency, it deserves. Absolutely! 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I simply strongly believe that the NDA violations are already proven and admitted to ? which means they can be dealt with immediately ? whereas because of the deeply serious nature of the sexual harassment allegations ? these require far deeper and more careful investigations ? investigations that are critical and must certainly proceed. So I don?t think it?s a matter of urgency ? its more a matter of what is proven and has already been admitted and people wanting that dealt with immediately Andrew From: Evelyn Namara [mailto:evelyngeek at gmail.com] Sent: 22 March 2018 17:09 To: Sander Steffann Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear all, I seem to get a general sense that the sexual allegations are a lesser concern to this community than the NDA violation. To me, both offenses carry the same weight and therefore should be treated with the same level of urgency. One of the reasons more women are not in this tech Industry even after studying and excelling in Technology and Engineering degrees is because of fear of their own safety. We must be very vocal on issues of sexual harassment especially in a male-dominated field. Yes, I know these allegations are pending investigations; so don't remind me of this; My one plea is that this issue is not swept under the rug and that it is looked at with the ultimate care and urgency, it deserves. It would also be helpful for the community to know the timelines of these investigations. Are we waiting for weeks, months, a year? When should we expect a report on these issues? Thank you. On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Sander Steffann > wrote: Hi Isabel, > PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten? He doesn't seem to have been the person violating the NDA, so that part of the accusation doesn't relate to him. Cheers, Sander _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Evelyn Namara Phone: +256754440893 Skype: enamara Twitter: enamara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Mar 22 14:23:12 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:23:12 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: And see - Sorry Alan, but I view this as entirely unacceptable. There is precedent at play here - when the NDA violations in the past were admitted - board members were asked to vacate there seats with immediate effect. Where they chose to be investigated and have hearings held - those hearings were scheduled by the board again - almost immediately - and the time frames for those hearings clearly communicated. The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR's - that does not even finalize the investigation - that means effectively that the investigation may not start until the 1st of May and there is almost no way that it will be completed before Dakar - and I do not think this community wants to be flying someone - at AfriNIC's expense - to Dakar - when he has clearly violated the NDA. If the board is NOT willing to act in this situation in a consistent manner with the way they have acted in the past - and is willing to apply a double standard - then the board itself becomes complicit - and again - I reiterate - this now has to get to a point where the community starts to ask itself if the board has gone rogue and is simply protecting its own - in which case - is it perhaps time for the community to take stronger action Andrew From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] Sent: 22 March 2018 17:16 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear Evelyn, Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, all allegations will be investigated. As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018. Alan Barrett _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evelyngeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:22:13 2018 From: evelyngeek at gmail.com (Evelyn Namara) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:22:13 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: Thank you, Andrew and Sander. Thank you, Alan, for your input too, we'll wait for the report back from the governance committee by 30th April. On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Evelyn, > > > > I just wanted to clarify at least from my standpoint ? in no way do I view > the sexual harassment allegations as any less serious than the NDA > violations. I simply strongly believe that the NDA violations are already > proven and admitted to ? which means they can be dealt with immediately ? > whereas because of the deeply serious nature of the sexual harassment > allegations ? these require far deeper and more careful investigations ? > investigations that are critical and must certainly proceed. > > > > So I don?t think it?s a matter of urgency ? its more a matter of what is > proven and has already been admitted and people wanting that dealt with > immediately > > > > Andrew > > > > > > *From:* Evelyn Namara [mailto:evelyngeek at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 22 March 2018 17:09 > *To:* Sander Steffann > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > > > Dear all, > > I seem to get a general sense that the sexual allegations are a lesser > concern to this community than the NDA violation. To me, both offenses > carry the same weight and > therefore should be treated with the same level of urgency. > > One of the reasons more women are not in this tech Industry even after > studying and excelling in Technology and Engineering degrees is because of > fear of their own safety. > > We must be very vocal on issues of sexual harassment especially in a > male-dominated field. > > Yes, I know these allegations are pending investigations; so don't remind > me of this; My one plea is that this issue is not swept under the rug and > that it is looked at > > with the ultimate care and urgency, it deserves. > > It would also be helpful for the community to know the timelines of these > investigations. Are we waiting for weeks, months, a year? > > When should we expect a report on these issues? > > Thank you. > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Sander Steffann > wrote: > > Hi Isabel, > > > PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten? > > He doesn't seem to have been the person violating the NDA, so that part of > the accusation doesn't relate to him. > > Cheers, > Sander > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > -- > > Evelyn Namara > > Phone: +256754440893 <+256%20754%20440893> > Skype: enamara > > Twitter: enamara > > > -- Evelyn Namara Phone: +256754440893 Skype: enamara Twitter: enamara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Thu Mar 22 14:43:10 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:43:10 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: <0D139779-AA24-4436-9E81-50FFE567F6CD@afrinic.net> > On 22 Mar 2018, at 18:23, Andrew Alston wrote: > > The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR?s ? that does not even finalize the investigation ? that means effectively that the investigation may not start until the 1st of May No, the investigation is supposed to be completed by 30 April. Alan Barrett From wayne at domains.co.za Thu Mar 22 14:53:52 2018 From: wayne at domains.co.za (Wayne Diamond) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:53:52 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: I personally think this needs to be addressed correctly and not go around and around via this discussion group any longer, which will ultimately get very messy If this was a reputable company, all staff involved in both incidents would be suspended immediately and due to the severity of each issue and investigation would generally be launched within days not months as in the case here. AfriNic's name is now starting to be dragged through the mud with all this and will eventually bring AfriNic's name into disrepute; something that will have far reaching detrimental affects down the line. Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. Regards, Wayne Diamond [https://www.domains.co.za/images/sg-phone-ico.gif] tel: +27 11 640 9700 * fax: 086 686 2445 [https://www.domains.co.za/images/sg-mail-ico.gif] wayne at domains.co.za [https://www.domains.co.za/images/sg-web-ico.gif] www.domains.co.za [https://www.domains.co.za/images/sg-domain-logo.gif] [https://www.domains.co.za/images/sg-services.gif] From: Andrew Alston Sent: 22 March 2018 04:23 PM To: Alan Barrett ; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment And see - Sorry Alan, but I view this as entirely unacceptable. There is precedent at play here - when the NDA violations in the past were admitted - board members were asked to vacate there seats with immediate effect. Where they chose to be investigated and have hearings held - those hearings were scheduled by the board again - almost immediately - and the time frames for those hearings clearly communicated. The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR's - that does not even finalize the investigation - that means effectively that the investigation may not start until the 1st of May and there is almost no way that it will be completed before Dakar - and I do not think this community wants to be flying someone - at AfriNIC's expense - to Dakar - when he has clearly violated the NDA. If the board is NOT willing to act in this situation in a consistent manner with the way they have acted in the past - and is willing to apply a double standard - then the board itself becomes complicit - and again - I reiterate - this now has to get to a point where the community starts to ask itself if the board has gone rogue and is simply protecting its own - in which case - is it perhaps time for the community to take stronger action Andrew From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] Sent: 22 March 2018 17:16 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear Evelyn, Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, all allegations will be investigated. As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018. 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The resolution reads: RESOLVED to request the Governance Committee to develop Terms of Reference for an independent investigation, and to appoint an Investigation Committee; RESOLVED that the Governance Committee report back to the Board by the 30th April 2018; That strongly implies that GC develops the ToR?s and appoints the committee ? it does not anywhere ? those are the action items ? it does not refer to the investigation actually happening ? or the return of the report ? or giving the report to the board ? it says ? here are 2 action items ? report back to us on those action items. If indeed the resolution is meant to imply a final date for the investigation ? then let it say that Andrew From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] Sent: 22 March 2018 17:43 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > On 22 Mar 2018, at 18:23, Andrew Alston > wrote: > > The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR?s ? that does not even finalize the investigation ? that means effectively that the investigation may not start until the 1st of May No, the investigation is supposed to be completed by 30 April. Alan Barrett _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Thu Mar 22 14:59:41 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:59:41 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> <0D139779-AA24-4436-9E81-50FFE567F6CD@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <753AC46B-B84D-4B56-AD14-274864EB9BA5@afrinic.net> > On 22 Mar 2018, at 18:54, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Alan, > > Can the board then please provide an updated resolution that says that- because that is NOT what the resolution currently says ? > > The resolution reads: > > RESOLVED to request the Governance Committee to develop Terms of Reference for an independent investigation, and to appoint an Investigation Committee; > RESOLVED that the Governance Committee report back to the Board by the 30th April 2018; > > That strongly implies that GC develops the ToR?s and appoints the committee ? it does not anywhere ? those are the action items ? it does not refer to the investigation actually happening ? or the return of the report ? or giving the report to the board ? it says ? here are 2 action items ? report back to us on those action items. > > If indeed the resolution is meant to imply a final date for the investigation ? then let it say that I will pass that on to the Board. Alan Barrett From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Thu Mar 22 15:00:42 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:00:42 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: +1 From: Wayne Diamond Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 5:56 PM To: Andrew Alston , Alan Barrett , General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment I personally think this needs to be addressed correctly and not go around and around via this discussion group any longer, which will ultimately get very messy If this was a reputable company, all staff involved in both incidents would be suspended immediately and due to the severity of each issue and investigation would generally be launched within days not months as in the case here. AfriNic?s name is now starting to be dragged through the mud with all this and will eventually bring AfriNic?s name into disrepute; something that will have far reaching detrimental affects down the line. Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. Regards, Wayne Diamond tel: +27 11 640 9700 ? fax: 086 686 2445 wayne at domains.co.za www.domains.co.za From: Andrew Alston Sent: 22 March 2018 04:23 PM To: Alan Barrett ; General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment And see ? Sorry Alan, but I view this as entirely unacceptable. There is precedent at play here ? when the NDA violations in the past were admitted ? board members were asked to vacate there seats with immediate effect. Where they chose to be investigated and have hearings held ? those hearings were scheduled by the board again ? almost immediately ? and the time frames for those hearings clearly communicated. The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR?s ? that does not even finalize the investigation ? that means effectively that the investigation may not start until the 1st of May and there is almost no way that it will be completed before Dakar ? and I do not think this community wants to be flying someone ? at AfriNIC?s expense ? to Dakar ? when he has clearly violated the NDA. If the board is NOT willing to act in this situation in a consistent manner with the way they have acted in the past ? and is willing to apply a double standard ? then the board itself becomes complicit ? and again ? I reiterate ? this now has to get to a point where the community starts to ask itself if the board has gone rogue and is simply protecting its own ? in which case ? is it perhaps time for the community to take stronger action Andrew From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] Sent: 22 March 2018 17:16 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Dear Evelyn, Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, all allegations will be investigated. As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018. 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And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. Mr.Masilela Lucky Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye Mr.Bope Christian Mr.Ilunga Serge Mr.Ojedeji Seun Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of > April for an investigation to start. > +++1 > > > To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together > quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to > resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. > +++1 Noah > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Boubakar On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Noah wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, wrote: > >> >> Some body from the AfriNic board that is *NOT* implicated in either the >> harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control *now* and make a >> decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 >> hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of >> the issues. >> > Thanks Wayne.... > > And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion > but i could be wrong. > > Mr.Masilela Lucky > Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye > Mr.Bope Christian > Mr.Ilunga Serge > Mr.Ojedeji Seun > Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy > Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) > > The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of >> April for an investigation to start. >> > +++1 > >> >> >> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together >> quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to >> resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >> > > +++1 > > Noah > >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Very > inappropriate. > > If it doesn't act _now_, the community should take its responsibility and > request a replacement of the full board in Dakar. > > Boubakar > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Noah wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Some body from the AfriNic board that is *NOT* implicated in either the >>> harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control *now* and make a >>> decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 >>> hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of >>> the issues. >>> >> Thanks Wayne.... >> >> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion >> but i could be wrong. >> >> Mr.Masilela Lucky >> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye >> Mr.Bope Christian >> Mr.Ilunga Serge >> Mr.Ojedeji Seun >> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy >> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) >> >> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of >>> April for an investigation to start. >>> >> +++1 >> >>> >>> >>> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together >>> quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to >>> resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >>> >> >> +++1 >> >> Noah >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Regards Nanghaka Daniel K. Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018 Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda) Skype: daniel.nanghaka ----------------------------------------- *"Working for Africa" * ----------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Thu Mar 22 18:04:33 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: <9244E251-60FE-43E3-A744-3C43F87B4B21@delong.com> > On Mar 22, 2018, at 07:08, Evelyn Namara wrote: > > Dear all, > > I seem to get a general sense that the sexual allegations are a lesser concern to this community than the NDA violation. To me, both offenses carry the same weight and > therefore should be treated with the same level of urgency. I don?t think that?s entirely accurate. What is true, however, is that there is evidence behind the NDA violations while the sexual harassment allegations remain just that... allegations without evidence. > One of the reasons more women are not in this tech Industry even after studying and excelling in Technology and Engineering degrees is because of fear of their own safety. I agree the issue must be taken seriously. However, it is also important that we do not get into a lynch mob mentality and pursue punishment prior to evaluation of evidence and proof of guilt. > We must be very vocal on issues of sexual harassment especially in a male-dominated field. I think there has been no shortage of vocalist, but reason, impartiality, and evidence are also required. So far, those things are in short supply with regards to this particular allegation. > Yes, I know these allegations are pending investigations; so don't remind me of this; My one plea is that this issue is not swept under the rug and that it is looked at > with the ultimate care and urgency, it deserves. I believe that is happening. The board resolution passed unanimously. The GC has a timeframe and a budget. What, exactly are you asking for that isn?t being done? > It would also be helpful for the community to know the timelines of these investigations. Are we waiting for weeks, months, a year? The board resolution called for a report from the GC by the end of April. > When should we expect a report on these issues? The board has committed to releasing the report to the community after receiving it, so I would presume some time in early May. Owen > > Thank you. > > >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Sander Steffann wrote: >> Hi Isabel, >> >> > PS. Is Hytham laying low hoping to be forgotten? >> >> He doesn't seem to have been the person violating the NDA, so that part of the accusation doesn't relate to him. >> >> Cheers, >> Sander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > > -- > Evelyn Namara > > Phone: +256754440893 > Skype: enamara > Twitter: enamara > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Thu Mar 22 18:30:06 2018 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:30:06 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: Olutaya On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 7:25 p.m. Sunday Olutayo, wrote: > I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due > process. > Sunday wrote. While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me, and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, And due process will apply for above so that there is justice for both parties. We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. > Sunday went on. > I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was. You seem to be unbothered that a board member took upon himself to share conversation he had privately had with another board member and the CEO regarding Afrinic operations and then went on to share details of that conversation with a subodinate of the same CEO with no regard for PRIVACY and the sensitivity of the said discussion. They passed a resolution to deal with board privacy and they since sign NDA's for a reason you know. Rules are rules and when they are broken, there are consequences and that is why we make the rules. Noah > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Thu Mar 22 18:50:35 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:50:35 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Message-ID: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Dear AFRINIC community, The AFRINIC Board has held several meetings recently, including a special meeting today (22 March 2018) to discuss the recent allegations. The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste. The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent investigation are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or before 30 April 2018. The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects to be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval. Alan Barrett, CEO, on behalf of the AFRINIC Board From boubakarbarry at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:02:26 2018 From: boubakarbarry at gmail.com (Boubakar Barry) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:02:26 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Noah wrote: > > Sunday went on. > >> I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which > should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the > intention was. > > You seem to be unbothered that a board member took upon himself to share > conversation he had privately had with another board member and the CEO > regarding Afrinic operations and then went on to share details of that > conversation with a subodinate of the same CEO with no regard for PRIVACY > and the sensitivity of the said discussion. > > They passed a resolution to deal with board privacy and they since sign > NDA's for a reason you know. > > Rules are rules and when they are broken, there are consequences and that > is why we make the rules. > Is this rocket science? Shall we expose ourselves to the whole world with this double standard behaviour? There are machiavellian attempts to disgrace us by not encouraging or even preventing to take the right decisions in the name of the almighty "I'm also member of this community" rhetoric; and it's not new. If we accept this and let it go, then shame on all of us who care about AfriNIC. Boubakar > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boubakarbarry at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:18:33 2018 From: boubakarbarry at gmail.com (Boubakar Barry) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: My only and last comment on this: there is life after AfriNIC (board and staff). At least, it should be. We however hope continuous contributions after board and staff positions (we have seen occurrences of the contrary). Personally, I would be very embarrassed struggling to keep whatever position that I accepted for serving the community. Africa doesn't have the monopoly of it, but dignity is very important in the African society. My last post on this. 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URL: From jrhountomey at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:20:31 2018 From: jrhountomey at gmail.com (Hountomey Jean Robert) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?How_to_add_Board_suspension_and_rem?= =?utf-8?q?oval_procedure_by_members_in_AfriNIC=E2=80=99s_Bylaws?= Message-ID: March 22, 2018 Governance Committee African Network Information centre (AFRINIC) 11th Floor, Standard Chartered Tower 19, Cybercity Eb?ne Republic of Mauritius Attention: Wafa Dahmani, Chair of the Governance Committee Attention: Alan Barret, Chief Executive Officer Attention: Chairman of the Board Dear Members of the AfriNIC Governance Committee; Subject: How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws Understanding your role to advise ?the AFRINIC Board, AFRINIC Membership, and the community, on matters of governance? as described in section 1. Purpose of the AFRINIC Governance Committee Terms of Reference (1); Considering that you conducted previously a bylaws review (2) as announced in a letter to the community (3); Acknowledging the content of the Governance Committee Guidelines Sections B.E (4); After reading AfriNIC bylaws Section 13: Appointment of Directors, Section 14: Removal of Directors (5) and the Companies Act 2001 of Mauritius as amended from time to time; and its Section 139 as cited in the Bylaws but also its section 138; Taking into consideration that other RIRs; RIPE NCC (6) Article 9, and ARIN (7) Article IV have a process for removal / suspension from Office by the General Meeting for the former or the General Members by the latter; Understanding a Board?s fundamental, legal responsibility to provide oversight and accountability for an organization, and being grateful to AfriNIC?s Board, I would like to ask the following questions: 1. Do we have a procedure at AfriNIC for members to remove a Director (Board) with or without cause since Directors are appointed by members? 2. If yes, what is the procedure, if no how can such a procedure be implemented? 3. How can the Power of Members as described in Section 7 of the Bylaws be extended to remove a Board Member? 4. What changes in the Bylaws such a procedure will require? 5. If introduced when can it be effective? Hoping that you share our enthusiasm of providing AfriNIC with effective corporate governance framework, I look forward to a prompt reply. Sincerely yours, Jean-Robert Hountomey, References. 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URL: From rbiramah at ipi9.com Thu Mar 22 21:09:15 2018 From: rbiramah at ipi9.com (Raz BIRAMAH) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:09:15 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> Message-ID: +1 Raz > Le 22 mars 2018 ? 15:53, Wayne Diamond > a ?crit : > > I personally think this needs to be addressed correctly and not go around and around via this discussion group any longer, which will ultimately get very messy > > If this was a reputable company, all staff involved in both incidents would be suspended immediately and due to the severity of each issue and investigation would generally be launched within days not months as in the case here. > > AfriNic?s name is now starting to be dragged through the mud with all this and will eventually bring AfriNic?s name into disrepute; something that will have far reaching detrimental affects down the line. > > Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. > > To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. > > Regards, > Wayne Diamond > > tel: +27 11 640 9700 ? fax: 086 686 2445 > > wayne at domains.co.za > > www.domains.co.za > > > > > From: Andrew Alston > > Sent: 22 March 2018 04:23 PM > To: Alan Barrett >; General Discussions of AFRINIC > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > And see ? Sorry Alan, but I view this as entirely unacceptable. > > There is precedent at play here ? when the NDA violations in the past were admitted ? board members were asked to vacate there seats with immediate effect. Where they chose to be investigated and have hearings held ? those hearings were scheduled by the board again ? almost immediately ? and the time frames for those hearings clearly communicated. > > The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR?s ? that does not even finalize the investigation ? that means effectively that the investigation may not start until the 1st of May and there is almost no way that it will be completed before Dakar ? and I do not think this community wants to be flying someone ? at AfriNIC?s expense ? to Dakar ? when he has clearly violated the NDA. > > If the board is NOT willing to act in this situation in a consistent manner with the way they have acted in the past ? and is willing to apply a double standard ? then the board itself becomes complicit ? and again ? I reiterate ? this now has to get to a point where the community starts to ask itself if the board has gone rogue and is simply protecting its own ? in which case ? is it perhaps time for the community to take stronger action > > Andrew > > > From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net ] > Sent: 22 March 2018 17:16 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Dear Evelyn, > > Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, all allegations will be investigated. > > As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dear Alan, are you then saying that NDA violation is still an ? allegation ? that need to be investigated? thanks, Raz > Le 22 mars 2018 ? 15:15, Alan Barrett > a ?crit : > > Dear Evelyn, > > Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, all allegations will be investigated. > > As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Raz > Le 22 mars 2018 ? 16:39, Noah > a ?crit : > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: > > > Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. > > Thanks Wayne.... > > And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. > > Mr.Masilela Lucky > Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye > Mr.Bope Christian > Mr.Ilunga Serge > Mr.Ojedeji Seun > Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy > Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) > > The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. > > +++1 > > > > To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. > > > +++1 > > Noah > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste. > > The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent investigation are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or before 30 April 2018. > > The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. > > The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects to be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval. > > Alan Barrett, CEO, on behalf of the AFRINIC Board > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, wrote: >> >> >> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. > > Thanks Wayne.... > > And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. > > Mr.Masilela Lucky > Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye > Mr.Bope Christian > Mr.Ilunga Serge > Mr.Ojedeji Seun > Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy > Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) > >> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. > > +++1? >> >> ? >> >> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. > > > +++1? > > Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. We need to move Sent from my iPhone On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. Thanks Wayne.... And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. Mr.Masilela Lucky Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye Mr.Bope Christian Mr.Ilunga Serge Mr.Ojedeji Seun Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. +++1 To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. +++1 Noah _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Barrett From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Fri Mar 23 06:41:11 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 06:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <21D1DC3F-D172-4424-8C74-4DAD5F598F34@ipi9.com> References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net>, <21D1DC3F-D172-4424-8C74-4DAD5F598F34@ipi9.com> Message-ID: <04D6233E-3641-4AFB-A575-C44AD0E124FD@nftconsult.com> Sent from my iPhone On 23 Mar 2018, at 00:13, Raz BIRAMAH via Community-Discuss > wrote: OH Ok I have the answer to one of my previous question here: The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. That said, i can understand clearly that the acknowledge from the person itself was a mistake OR some members of the community misunderstood what he meant. We are now moving into the world of technicalities So looks like there?s an argument that as much as information was released to junior members off staff as much as innapropriate that might have been it was not a breach and thus we should take it as acceptable slap the member on the wrist tell him not to do it again and life goes on. However what I read from community was first a recall of the affected member and if that Fails, a recall of the entire board. And that seems to be the position between board and community Am I right? Thanks, Raz Le 22 mars 2018 ? 19:50, Alan Barrett > a ?crit : Dear AFRINIC community, The AFRINIC Board has held several meetings recently, including a special meeting today (22 March 2018) to discuss the recent allegations. The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste. The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent investigation are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or before 30 April 2018. The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects to be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval. Alan Barrett, CEO, on behalf of the AFRINIC Board _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Mar 23 07:07:58 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:07:58 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <04D6233E-3641-4AFB-A575-C44AD0E124FD@nftconsult.com> References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> <21D1DC3F-D172-4424-8C74-4DAD5F598F34@ipi9.com> <04D6233E-3641-4AFB-A575-C44AD0E124FD@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <215B73CD-2412-4453-8F07-B060FD63D9D2@afrinic.net> > On 23 Mar 2018, at 10:41, Badru Ntege wrote: > We are now moving into the world of technicalities > > So looks like there?s an argument that as much as information was released to junior members off staff as much as innapropriate that might have been it was not a breach and thus we should take it as acceptable slap the member on the wrist tell him not to do it again and life goes on. Please do not assume anything that has not been stated. Alan Barrett From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Fri Mar 23 07:27:31 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 07:27:31 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <546179C8-722B-46CB-BBF3-7D2AB3C275E0@afrinic.net> References: <546179C8-722B-46CB-BBF3-7D2AB3C275E0@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Sorry Alan, The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world. That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations. I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section. The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company. It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?. It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences. Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. Andrew Relevant sections of the companies act below: Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; Section 160 goes on to say: 160.1 - Every officer of a company shall exercise ? (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will never stand dishonesty and unethical behavior especially when its from leaders. We shall now take this to the membership and fix this mess once and for all since the 9 members can no-longer represent our collective interest. Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Mar 23 07:40:03 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:40:03 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <546179C8-722B-46CB-BBF3-7D2AB3C275E0@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Dear Andrew, Please do not assume things that have not been stated. Alan Barrett From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Fri Mar 23 07:49:07 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 07:49:07 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <546179C8-722B-46CB-BBF3-7D2AB3C275E0@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Alan, I assume nothing that has not been stated or is not based on historical precedent 1. It was stated by Mr Folayan that he shared the information 2. The information shared is on display for the whole world to see 3. The board requested the resignation of two members of the board in the past - one of those was done in an impromptu meeting on a spur of the moment decision on the floor of a public meeting - without the need for seeking complex legal advice - this is a matter of public record 4. The board chose to publically state in that same meeting that it had requested the resignations for violation of NDA The actions of the board in this case are entirely different from historical precedent - and this community deserves an explanation as to why that is - and as regards to not assuming things that have not been stated - I would suggest the board start taking seriously the things that HAVE been stated on this list. Can you also please tell this community - in the meetings yesterday - who acted as chair of those meetings. The eight schedule of the act section 1(1) and 1(2) imply that the board has to have a chair for a meeting - and can you also tell us if that chair is now the permanent chair or if they are the interim chair. I do not see this as an unfair question - since it is required that this information be published in the minutes later anyway. Andrew From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] Sent: 23 March 2018 10:40 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AfriNIC Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Dear Andrew, Please do not assume things that have not been stated. Alan Barrett _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opomulero at akinbo.ng Fri Mar 23 08:04:03 2018 From: opomulero at akinbo.ng (Adebunmi AKINBO) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:04:03 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <546179C8-722B-46CB-BBF3-7D2AB3C275E0@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Dear Andrew, I totally agree with Alan. While your assumptions are not out of place, it would be better to rephrase and ask questions. Life after AFRINIC and the image of the organisation hangs in the balance. The Question (s); 1. Who chaired the meeting? 2. Who deputised the meeting? 3. Who and who was in attendance? Semantics apart; for the record, the CEO should please clarify. My 10kobo. -Akinbo. On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote: > Alan, > > > > I assume nothing that has not been stated or is not based on historical > precedent > > > > 1. It was stated by Mr Folayan that he shared the information > 2. The information shared is on display for the whole world to see > 3. The board requested the resignation of two members of the board in > the past ? one of those was done in an impromptu meeting on a spur of the > moment decision on the floor of a public meeting ? without the need for > seeking complex legal advice ? this is a matter of public record > 4. The board chose to publically state in that same meeting that it > had requested the resignations for violation of NDA > > > > The actions of the board in this case are entirely different from > historical precedent ? and this community deserves an explanation as to why > that is ? and as regards to not assuming things that have not been stated ? > I would suggest the board start taking seriously the things that HAVE been > stated on this list. > > > > Can you also please tell this community ? in the meetings yesterday ? who > acted as chair of those meetings. The eight schedule of the act section > 1(1) and 1(2) imply that the board has to have a chair for a meeting ? and > can you also tell us if that chair is now the permanent chair or if they > are the interim chair. I do not see this as an unfair question ? since it > is required that this information be published in the minutes later anyway. > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:* Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] > *Sent:* 23 March 2018 10:40 > *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Cc:* AfriNIC Discuss > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the > Board regarding recent allegations > > > > Dear Andrew, > > Please do not assume things that have not been stated. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andrew From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] Sent: 23 March 2018 11:07 To: AfriNIC ; Andrew Alston ; Alan Cc: General Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Dear Andrew, I amassed by your detest for Due Process, and yet, you are calling for "Justice". You have raised issue of NDA, but you are yet to substantiate the allegation. My questions are; Does sharing information with a staff of an organization constitute a violation of NDA? And is there a decided case, where sharing of information with a staff in the past, had been decided as violation of an NDA? Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Andrew Alston > wrote: Sorry Alan, The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world. That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations. I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section. The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company. It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?. It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences. Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. Andrew Relevant sections of the companies act below: Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; Section 160 goes on to say: 160.1 - Every officer of a company shall exercise ? (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbiramah at ipi9.com Fri Mar 23 09:01:00 2018 From: rbiramah at ipi9.com (Raz BIRAMAH) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:01:00 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> <21D1DC3F-D172-4424-8C74-4DAD5F598F34@ipi9.com> <04D6233E-3641-4AFB-A575-C44AD0E124FD@nftconsult.com> Message-ID: <6C24BD3D-5C05-4A9F-891F-7C7546D271A7@ipi9.com> Yes Noah, I think, if we still continue to argue here and discuss and get messy and messy, yes we may need to take things to members ground and fix them in somehow it needed. Raz > Le 23 mars 2018 ? 08:32, Noah a ?crit : > > > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, 9:44 a.m. Badru Ntege, > wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 00:13, Raz BIRAMAH via Community-Discuss > wrote: > >> OH Ok >> >> I have the answer to one of my previous question here: >> >>> The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. >> >> That said, i can understand clearly that the acknowledge from the person itself was a mistake OR some members of the community misunderstood what he meant. > > We are now moving into the world of technicalities > > So looks like there?s an argument that as much as information was released to junior members off staff as much as inappropriate that might have been it was not a breach and thus we should take it as acceptable slap the member on the wrist tell him not to do it again and life goes on. > > T.I.A This is Africa and our typical mentality where folks get used to successfully manipulating the electorate/community and don't realize when the game is up. > > We will never stand dishonesty and unethical behavior especially when its from leaders. > > We shall now take this to the membership and fix this mess once and for all since the 9 members can no-longer represent our collective interest. > > Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andrew From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] Sent: 23 March 2018 11:47 To: AfriNIC ; Andrew Alston ; Alan Cc: General Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Andrew, Thanks for your answer to my questions. "I would say that very much constitutes information discussed within the board" this quote is your statement, but it does not sound as if you are sure of what constitute an NDA, the reason an expert advice is needed. Also you yet to provide a decided case on the subject matter. Thanks for your effort so far, I will wait for rest of the answer to my questions. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 4:10 AM, Andrew Alston > wrote: Sunday, The resolution cast in November of 2014 ? defines any information discussed within the board and disclosed without board approval as a violation. Elements of what was shared stem from discussions being held between directors about company matters ? I would say that very much constitutes information discussed within the board. A third party is anyone who is not a board member and subject to the same NDA ? which would include staff. Andrew From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] Sent: 23 March 2018 11:07 To: AfriNIC >; Andrew Alston >; Alan > Cc: General > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Dear Andrew, I amassed by your detest for Due Process, and yet, you are calling for "Justice". You have raised issue of NDA, but you are yet to substantiate the allegation. My questions are; Does sharing information with a staff of an organization constitute a violation of NDA? And is there a decided case, where sharing of information with a staff in the past, had been decided as violation of an NDA? Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Andrew Alston > wrote: Sorry Alan, The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world. That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations. I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section. The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company. It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?. It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences. Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. Andrew Relevant sections of the companies act below: Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; Section 160 goes on to say: 160.1 - Every officer of a company shall exercise ? (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Fri Mar 23 09:49:38 2018 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:49:38 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They were wider than that ? it does not matter ? a third party in the context of the resolution submitted refers to anyone who is not a board member ? that includes staff. Andrew From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] Sent: 23 March 2018 12:27 To: AfriNIC ; Andrew Alston ; Alan Cc: General Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Once again, thanks Andrew, but those that were made to step downtown, was it as a result of sharing information with AfiNIC staff? Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 5:02 AM, Andrew Alston > wrote: Sunday, Tunis Meeting I believe it was ? Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirenda were requested to stand down from the board for violations of NDA ? in a meeting that was held before the eyes of the world on the stage ? after the violations were seen ? and the board agreed they had happened. Legal council was present at that point as well. Andrew From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] Sent: 23 March 2018 11:47 To: AfriNIC >; Andrew Alston >; Alan > Cc: General > Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Andrew, Thanks for your answer to my questions. "I would say that very much constitutes information discussed within the board" this quote is your statement, but it does not sound as if you are sure of what constitute an NDA, the reason an expert advice is needed. Also you yet to p -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Fri Mar 23 09:53:04 2018 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:53:04 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Dear Alan Thanks for your email. Dear Afrinic BoD, While you are waiting for the legal advice on the obvious breach of NDA and the DISREGARD of PRIVACY when it comes to board private discussions; How are you dealing with the breach of fiduciary responsibilities and ethics ? When would the board take this scandal seriously and exercise the due diligence? Section 143 of the Companies Act is clear on directors duties and I will draw you to the 3 sections below which are of importance in this case regarding the board. c) exercise their powers honestly in good faith in the best interests of the company and for the respective purposes for which such powers are explicitly or impliedly conferred; (d) exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; *(g) not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153;* Regard, Noah On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: > Dear AFRINIC community, > > The AFRINIC Board has held several meetings recently, including a special > meeting today (22 March 2018) to discuss the recent allegations. The Board > recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to > act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste. > > The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent > investigation are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or > before 30 April 2018. > > The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a > breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. > > The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects > to be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval. > > Alan Barrett, CEO, on behalf of the AFRINIC Board > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -- *./noah* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madomey at hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 10:01:11 2018 From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:01:11 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net>, Message-ID: Dear CEO, Thank you for the feedback from the board meeting but I see issues with the investigation process. 1 - Many days have passed since the Rev. Sunday Folayan stepped aside as the chairman of the Board and the Board has not officially accepted his resignation and elect a new Chairman so it seems; 2 - In my observation, it seems like former chairman is desperately resisting to community call for resignation as board member. 3 - The board has also not announced any administrative measures taken to isolate the accused (not yet exonerated or guilty) board members as is common in good governance. 4 - The same board has met several times, as you pointed out in your email, and apart from the controversial resolution on the investigation by Governance Committee, no resolution has been made available to the Membership and entire community. Technically and theoretically, this implies that the two accused board members are still participating the in the activities of the board including the decision making that is going to investigate them. This is TOTALLY WRONG and UNACCEPTABLE, and therefore presents issues of CONFLICT of INTEREST, CREDIBILITY of the process, and the eventual ACCEPTABILITY of the outcome of the investigation. At this critical stage of the life of our Organization, every step of the ENTIRE BOARD should go to guarantee the quality of TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY and INTEGRITY of this investigation process and UNFORTUNATELY as it stands now those qualities are COMPLETELY ABSENT in the investigation process. The Board therefore has the duty to behave FLAWLESSLY to ensure the cohesion and harmony of this community. Thank you Marcus ________________________________ From: Noah Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:53:04 AM To: Alan Barrett Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Dear Alan Thanks for your email. Dear Afrinic BoD, While you are waiting for the legal advice on the obvious breach of NDA and the DISREGARD of PRIVACY when it comes to board private discussions; How are you dealing with the breach of fiduciary responsibilities and ethics ? When would the board take this scandal seriously and exercise the due diligence? Section 143 of the Companies Act is clear on directors duties and I will draw you to the 3 sections below which are of importance in this case regarding the board. c) exercise their powers honestly in good faith in the best interests of the company and for the respective purposes for which such powers are explicitly or impliedly conferred; (d) exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; (g) not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; Regard, Noah On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Alan Barrett > wrote: Dear AFRINIC community, The AFRINIC Board has held several meetings recently, including a special meeting today (22 March 2018) to discuss the recent allegations. The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste. The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent investigation are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or before 30 April 2018. The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects to be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval. Alan Barrett, CEO, on behalf of the AFRINIC Board _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- ./noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Mar 23 10:07:14 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:07:14 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <2B5E93AC-32F5-400B-9D26-D411FD462222@afrinic.net> > On 23 Mar 2018, at 13:53, Noah wrote: > Dear Afrinic BoD, > > While you are waiting for the legal advice on the obvious breach of NDA and the DISREGARD of PRIVACY when it comes to board private discussions; > > How are you dealing with the breach of fiduciary responsibilities and ethics ? > > When would the board take this scandal seriously and exercise the due diligence? Let me point out that the Board has already stated that "The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste.? So, please do not expect the Board to act with undue haste. Alan Barrett From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Mar 23 10:12:13 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:12:13 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <4F149792-29D5-49BA-9B4E-3F8E37AD480C@afrinic.net> > On 23 Mar 2018, at 14:01, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > Technically and theoretically, this implies that the two accused board members are still participating the in the activities of the board including the decision making that is going to investigate them. This is TOTALLY WRONG and UNACCEPTABLE, and therefore presents issues of CONFLICT of INTEREST, CREDIBILITY of the process, and the eventual ACCEPTABILITY of the outcome of the investigation. Please do not assume things that have not been stated. The minutes of the meetings, when they are published, will show who did or did not participate in which decisions. Alan Barrett From wafa at ati.tn Fri Mar 23 11:13:07 2018 From: wafa at ati.tn (wafa DAHMANI) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:13:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?How_to_add_Board_suspension_and_rem?= =?utf-8?q?oval_procedure_by_members_in_AfriNIC=E2=80=99s_Bylaws?= In-Reply-To: <674617560.305573.1521803572206.JavaMail.zimbra@ati.tn> References: Message-ID: <28845436.305581.1521803587779.JavaMail.zimbra@ati.tn> Dear Hountomey Jean Robert, The governance committee acknowledge reception of your request . Regards Wafa Dahmani Chair of the governance committee De: "Hountomey Jean Robert" ?: community-discuss at afrinic.net Envoy?: Jeudi 22 Mars 2018 20:20:31 Objet: [Community-Discuss] How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws March 22, 2018 Governance Committee African Network Information centre (AFRINIC) 11th Floor, Standard Chartered Tower 19, Cybercity Eb?ne Republic of Mauritius Attention: Wafa Dahmani, Chair of the Governance Committee Attention: Alan Barret, Chief Executive Officer Attention: Chairman of the Board Dear Members of the AfriNIC Governance Committee; Subject: How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws Understanding your role to advise ?the AFRINIC Board, AFRINIC Membership, and the community, on matters of governance? as described in section 1. Purpose of the AFRINIC Governance Committee Terms of Reference (1); Considering that you conducted previously a bylaws review (2) as announced in a letter to the community (3); Acknowledging the content of the Governance Committee Guidelines Sections B.E (4); After reading AfriNIC bylaws Section 13: Appointment of Directors, Section 14: Removal of Directors (5) and the Companies Act 2001 of Mauritius as amended from time to time; and its Section 139 as cited in the Bylaws but also its section 138; Taking into consideration that other RIRs; RIPE NCC (6) Article 9, and ARIN (7) Article IV have a process for removal / suspension from Office by the General Meeting for the former or the General Members by the latter; Understanding a Board?s fundamental, legal responsibility to provide oversight and accountability for an organization, and being grateful to AfriNIC?s Board, I would like to ask the following questions: 1. Do we have a procedure at AfriNIC for members to remove a Director (Board) with or without cause since Directors are appointed by members? 2. If yes, what is the procedure, if no how can such a procedure be implemented? 3. How can the Power of Members as described in Section 7 of the Bylaws be extended to remove a Board Member? 4. What changes in the Bylaws such a procedure will require? 5. If introduced when can it be effective? Hoping that you share our enthusiasm of providing AfriNIC with effective corporate governance framework, I look forward to a prompt reply. Sincerely yours, Jean-Robert Hountomey, References. (1). https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee/1891-afrinic-governance-committee-terms-of-reference (2). https://afrinic.net/images/20170216-Minutes_GovCom.pdf (3). https://afrinic.net/images/20170523-GovCom-Letter.pdf (4). https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee/governance-committee-documents/2245-governance-committe-guidelines (5). https://afrinic.net/images/AFRINIC_Constitution_2016.pdf (6). https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-602 (7). https://www.arin.net/about_us/corp_docs/bylaws.html _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Mar 23 11:50:28 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:50:28 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?How_to_add_Board_suspension_and_rem?= =?utf-8?q?oval_procedure_by_members_in_AfriNIC=E2=80=99s_Bylaws?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 22 Mar 2018, at 23:20, Hountomey Jean Robert wrote: > > March 22, 2018 > > Governance Committee > African Network Information centre > (AFRINIC) > 11th Floor, Standard Chartered Tower > 19, Cybercity Eb?ne > Republic of Mauritius > > Attention: Wafa Dahmani, Chair of the Governance Committee > Attention: Alan Barret, Chief Executive Officer > Attention: Chairman of the Board Since I was specifically addressed, I will respond. I understand that the Governance Committee has also agreed to take up the matter. > 1. Do we have a procedure at AfriNIC for members to remove a Director (Board) with or without cause since Directors are appointed by members? > 2. If yes, what is the procedure, if no how can such a procedure be implemented? > 3. How can the Power of Members as described in Section 7 of the Bylaws be extended to remove a Board Member? > 4. What changes in the Bylaws such a procedure will require? > 5. If introduced when can it be effective? We do not have such a procedure, and members voted against a resolution that would have given them that power. A Special Resolution was proposed at the AFRINIC SGMM in November 2016, see SR16 in . The resolution failed with only 73% YES votes, while 75% would have been needed for it to pass. I am not sure what formalities are needed between such a special resolution being passed in an AGMM and the change taking effect. Alan Barrett From funga.roho at yandex.com Fri Mar 23 11:54:03 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:54:03 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 285, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1581691521806043@web43j.yandex.ru> Cher Tous, Je rejoins Andrew pour affirmer que concernant la violation du code d'?thique et la divulgation d'informations confidentielles, le pr?sum? coupable (Mr Sunday) a ouvertement avou? au travers des propos publi?s dans un forum de discussion. Ceci ne requiert plus une enqu?te tr?s approfondi. La cons?quence c'est son d?part du Conseil d'Administration conform?ment aux textes. M?me si on devait mesurer les opinions des participants ? cette liste de diffusion, c'est la majorit? exc?d? par la gravit? de ces actes qui r?clament sont d?part pur et simple (en application des dispositions pr?vues par les diff?rents textes r?gissant cette organisation). Pour une fois, nous nous retrouvons devant un large consensus mais je comprends la prudence exprim?e par le Conseil d'Administration en remettant pas en cause les faits mais r?querant un avis juridique externe afin que ces faits soit qualifi?s et d?termin?s s'il ya eu r?ellement entorse. C'est une question qui peut se r?gler rapidement parceque les faits sont tr?s clairs. En d?finitive, ce qu'on demande ce que le pr?sume coupable fasse preuve de hauteur (vu les hautes et honorables fonctions qu'il occupe) et qu'il rende le tablier au lieu de laisser la sanction le lui contraindre. KANGAMUTIMA (google translate) Dear All, I agree with Andrew that in the case of the violation of the code of ethics and the disclosure of confidential information, the alleged culprit (Mr Sunday) openly confessed through comments published in a discussion forum. This no longer requires a very thorough investigation. The consequence is his departure from the Board of Directors in accordance with the texts. Even if one had to measure the opinions of the participants in this mailing list, it is the majority, overwhelmed by the seriousness of these acts, who claim to have a pure and simple start (in accordance with the provisions of the various texts governing this organization). For once, we find ourselves in front of a broad consensus but I understand the caution expressed by the Board of Directors by questioning the facts but seeking an external legal opinion so that these facts are qualified and determined if there really was sprain. This is a question that can be resolved quickly because the facts are very clear. In the end, what is asked of what the presumed guilty is to show in height (in view of the high and honorable functions he occupies) and that he returns the apron instead of allowing punishment to compel him to do so? KANGAMUTIMA From jean-baptiste.millogo at orange.com Fri Mar 23 14:55:16 2018 From: jean-baptiste.millogo at orange.com (jean-baptiste.millogo at orange.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:55:16 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <4B1E7519-CEF1-4F88-AFCD-20F65B00AFA0@afrinic.net> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20180322225546.0d719690@elandnews.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20180323015019.0df98a78@elandnews.com> <4B1E7519-CEF1-4F88-AFCD-20F65B00AFA0@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <12884_1521816916_5AB51554_12884_18_1_8b0b7871593c40b4855a5d2a4a7f52fc@SRVEXCMBX-05.ocitnetad.ci> Dear board members, Despite the severity of the situation, despite the fact that Sunday Folayani sent resignation letter via email to the board and inform the community about his stepping down, we can see that the board is still led by Sunday and the board still waiting for his formal letter of resignation, instead of posing a vote of confidence on him and electing the new chair. I join those who think the board is managing affairs very slightly and this is seriously affecting the credibility and confidence on the board by the community and members and thus on the investigation process. JB -----Message d'origine----- De?: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net] Envoy??: vendredi 23 mars 2018 12:40 ??: AfriNIC Discuss Objet?: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > On 23 Mar 2018, at 13:51, Omo Oaiya wrote: > Agreed..... so this member is explicity asking as is my right .... who currently chairs the Afrinic board of directors? That is a difficult question, because a resignation has been received via email but not in writing. As stated in Board resolutions 201803.397 and 201803.398 (published at ), Abibu Ntahigiye has been elected as Chair of the Board, but his formal appointment is deferred until Sunday Folayan submits a resignation in writing. 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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Fri Mar 23 15:27:35 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 19:27:35 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] New Chair and Vice Chair of the Board at AFRINIC Message-ID: [Version fran?aise ci-dessous] Dear AFRINIC members and community, Sunday Folayan and Haitham El-Nakhal have stepped down from their positions as Chair and Vice Chair of the AFRINIC Board, pending the conclusion of an investigation into allegations that have been made against them. They sent email messages of resignation on 16 March 2018, and sent signed letters of resignation today, 23 March 2018, after legal advice was received yesterday, 22 March 2018, that signed letters were necessary. The AFRINIC Board has elected Abibu Ntahigiye as Chair, and Christian Bope as Vice Chair, for an interim period to be re-evaluated after the conclusion of the investigation, but no later than 31 May 2018. I congratulate them on their appointment and wish them well. Regards, Alan Barrett CEO, AFRINIC ? Chers membres et communaut? d'AFRINIC, Sunday Folayan et Haitham El-Nakhal ont d?missionn? de leurs fonctions de pr?sident et de vice-pr?sident du Conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC, en attendant la conclusion d'une enqu?te sur les all?gations qui ont ?t? formul?es contre eux. Ils ont envoy? des courriels de d?mission le 16 mars 2018 et ont envoy? des lettres de d?mission sign?es aujourd'hui, le 23 mars 2018, apr?s qu'un avis juridique ait ?t? re?u hier, le 22 mars 2018, indiquant que des lettres sign?es ?taient n?cessaires. Le Conseil d'AFRINIC a ?lu Abibu Ntahigiye ? la pr?sidence, et Christian Bope ? la vice-pr?sidence, pour une p?riode int?rimaire ? r??valuer apr?s la fin de l'enqu?te, mais au plus tard le 31 mai 2018. Je les f?licite pour leur nomination et leur souhaite bien. Cordialement, Alan Barrett DG, AFRINIC From olutayo at olutayo.ng Fri Mar 23 07:53:08 2018 From: olutayo at olutayo.ng (Sunday Olutayo) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 03:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Message-ID: <1yf63y8d81xqg2msgwlh78kp.1521791588497@email.android.com> Dear Mr Andrew, I am amassed that you detest due process, and yet, you are calling for "justice"!. If you NDA has violated, good you have raised a point, but yet to be proofed. Now my question are;? does discussion or sharing information with a staff of an organization constitute a violation of an NDA, also is there a decided case, where a discussion or information sharing with a staff in the past, has been decided as violation of NDA? Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sorry Alan, > > ? > > The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. > > I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. > > ? > > Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. > > ? > > Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: > > ? > > 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) > > ? > > I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) > > ? > > Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. > > ? > > Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. > > ? > > Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world.? That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations.? I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section.? The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? > > ? > > Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company.? It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?.? It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences.? Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. > > ? > > Andrew > > ? > > Relevant sections of the companies act below: > > ? > > Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: > > ? > > 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? > > ?????????????? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; > > ?????????????? (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; > > ? > > Section 160 goes on to say: > > ? > > 160.1 ?- Every officer of a company shall exercise ? > > (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. > > ? > > 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? > > (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; > > ? > > 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? > > ?????????????? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; > > ?????????????? (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. > > ? > > 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. > > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olutayo at olutayo.ng Fri Mar 23 08:07:10 2018 From: olutayo at olutayo.ng (Sunday Olutayo) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 04:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Message-ID: <4xgmd1qdjo1ywcos12b7ajd0.1521791800769@email.android.com> Dear Andrew, I amassed by your detest for Due Process, and yet, you are calling for "Justice". You have raised issue of NDA, but you are yet to substantiate the allegation. My questions are; Does sharing information with a staff of an organization constitute a violation of NDA? And is there a decided case,? where sharing of information with a staff in the past, had been decided as violation of an NDA? Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sorry Alan, > > ? > > The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. > > I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. > > ? > > Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. > > ? > > Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: > > ? > > 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) > > ? > > I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) > > ? > > Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. > > ? > > Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. > > ? > > Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world.? That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations.? I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section.? The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? > > ? > > Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company.? It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?.? It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences.? Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. > > ? > > Andrew > > ? > > Relevant sections of the companies act below: > > ? > > Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: > > ? > > 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? > > ?????????????? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; > > ?????????????? (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; > > ? > > Section 160 goes on to say: > > ? > > 160.1 ?- Every officer of a company shall exercise ? > > (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. > > ? > > 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? > > (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; > > ? > > 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? > > ?????????????? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; > > ?????????????? (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. > > ? > > 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. > > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olutayo at olutayo.ng Fri Mar 23 08:13:59 2018 From: olutayo at olutayo.ng (Sunday Olutayo) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 04:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Message-ID: Dear Mr Andrew, I am amassed that you detest due process, and yet, you are calling for "justice" You stated that NDA has been violated, good you have raised a point, but yet to be proofed. Now my question are;? does discussion or sharing information with a staff of an organization constitute a violation of an NDA, also,? is there a decided case, where a discussion or information sharing with a staff in the past, has been decided as violation of NDA? Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sorry Alan, > > ? > > The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. > > I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. > > ? > > Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. > > ? > > Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: > > ? > > 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) > > ? > > I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) > > ? > > Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. > > ? > > Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. > > ? > > Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world.? That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations.? I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section.? The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? > > ? > > Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company.? It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?.? It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences.? Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. > > ? > > Andrew > > ? > > Relevant sections of the companies act below: > > ? > > Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: > > ? > > 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? > > ?????????????? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; > > ?????????????? (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; > > ? > > Section 160 goes on to say: > > ? > > 160.1 ?- Every officer of a company shall exercise ? > > (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. > > ? > > 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? > > (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; > > ? > > 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? > > ?????????????? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; > > ?????????????? (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. > > ? > > 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. > > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olutayo at olutayo.ng Fri Mar 23 08:46:31 2018 From: olutayo at olutayo.ng (Sunday Olutayo) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 04:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Message-ID: <4pijwjaar23nqub9y032hdr9.1521794329705@email.android.com> Andrew, Thanks for your answer to my questions. ?"I would say that very much constitutes information discussed within the board" this quote is your statement, but it does not sound as if you are sure of what constitute an NDA, the reason an expert advice is needed. Also you yet to provide a decided case on the subject matter. Thanks for your effort so far, I will wait for rest of the answer to my questions. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 4:10 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday, > > ? > > The resolution cast in November of 2014 ? defines any information discussed within the board and disclosed without board approval as a violation.? Elements of what was shared stem from discussions being held between directors about company matters ? I would say that very much constitutes information discussed within the board. > > ? > > A third party is anyone who is not a board member and subject to the same NDA ? which would include staff. > > ? > > Andrew > > ? > > ? > > From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] > Sent: 23 March 2018 11:07 > To: AfriNIC ; Andrew Alston ; Alan > Cc: General > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations > > ? > > Dear Andrew, > > I amassed by your detest for Due Process, and yet, you are calling for "Justice". > > You have raised issue of NDA, but you are yet to substantiate the allegation. My questions are; Does sharing information with a staff of an organization constitute a violation of NDA? And is there a decided case,? where sharing of information with a staff in the past, had been decided as violation of an NDA? > > Regards, > Sunday Olutayo > > On Mar 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: >> >> Sorry Alan, >> >> ? >> >> The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. >> >> I cannot speak for others ? but in my view ? this is simply not good enough ? if this board however wishes to defy the members of this community as so clearly expressed over the last few days based on technicalities and running to the lawyers to see if there is a way out to protect their own ? then -let us look at the situation a little more closely. >> >> ? >> >> Let us look at some facts ? firstly ? resolution 201411.211 ? the board saw in its wisdom to word that resolution to refer to information discussed within the board ? not information within a formal board meeting ? and technicalities will not some how absolve someone of sharing confidential information with a random employee. >> >> ? >> >> Secondly ? and at the bottom of this email I paste the relevant sections I am about to refer to ? Mr Folayan?s actions are in my belief in violation of the following sections of the Mauritian companies act of 2001: >> >> ? >> >> 143.1.(a), 143.1.(g), 160.1(b), 160.4(a), 160.4(d) >> >> ? >> >> I also include section 160.6 in what I have pasted below because it is extremely relevant to the interpretation of 160.4(a) and 160.4(d) >> >> ? >> >> Thirdly ? I point out that the board has the right to remove a director with or without cause ? Section 138 of the companies act does not limit the reasons for a removal of a director ? and nor does section 14(iii) of the companies bylaws. >> >> ? >> >> Forth ? If you wish to get into legal technicalities ? you need to ask if the community ? who elected this board ? believes that the sharing of the information that was published in that document was a violation ? because a director is elected by the community ? and if the community feels that sharing the information was a grievous violation ? and it has destroyed their confidence in said director ? then the director should be removed. >> >> ? >> >> Fifth ? It is absolutely unquestionable that this saga has dragged AfriNIC through the mud ? and it is being seen by members of the Internet community across the world.? That does reputational harm ? which in turn have the possibility to hurt the company financially in terms of sponsorship, in terms of new members and in terms of costs of things like investigations.? I would argue without hesitation that this brings section 160.3(a) into play ? and when the board refuses ? at the request of the community ? to act against Mr Folayan ? instead of seeking to save him by technicalities ? they themselves become liable under the aforementioned section.? The only question is ? how do you quantify the damage being done here? >> >> ? >> >> Let us stop playing to technicalities and trying to absolve behaviour on technicalities ? the information shared was CLEARLY sensitive information in the context of the company.? It is admittedly that it was shared with an employee of the company and this was a ?mistake?.? It was shared by the chairperson of the board without thought to the potential consequences.? Let?s stop playing games ? the NDA was violated ? and if not the NDA ? the confidence of this community and the trust of this community ? and again I state ? if the board refuses to act rather than attempt to find loopholes ? this community needs to act against the board in its entirety. >> >> ? >> >> Andrew >> >> ? >> >> Relevant sections of the companies act below: >> >> ? >> >> Section 143.1(g) of the companies act states: >> >> ? >> >> 143.1 - Subject to this section, the directors of a company shall ? >> >> ?????????????? (d) - exercise the degree of care, diligence and skill required by section 160; >> >> ?????????????? (g) - not make use of or disclose any confidential information received by them on behalf of the company as directors otherwise than as permitted and in accordance with section 153; >> >> ? >> >> Section 160 goes on to say: >> >> ? >> >> 160.1 ?- Every officer of a company shall exercise ? >> >> (b) the degree of care, diligence and skill that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in comparable circumstances. >> >> ? >> >> 160.3 - Without limiting any liability of a director under section 143, where an officer commits a breach of any duty under this Part ? >> >> (a) the officer and every person who knowingly participated in the breach shall be liable to compensate the company for any loss it suffers as a result of the breach; >> >> ? >> >> 160.4 - A director or other officer of a company who makes a business judgment shall be taken to meet the requirements of subsections (1) and (2) in respect of the judgment where the director or officer ? >> >> ?????????????? (a) makes the judgment in good faith for a proper purpose; >> >> ?????????????? (d) reasonably believes that the judgment is in the best interests of the company. >> >> ? >> >> 160.6 - In this section ?business judgment? means any decision to take or not take action in respect of a matter relevant to the business operations of the company. >> >> ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Fri Mar 23 20:49:55 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 13:49:55 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: > On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege wrote: > > > One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The community is a much larger body. > The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough for community to feel he is no longer suitable. Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. > The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the individuals involved. At least there is one true statement in your email. > The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. > However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed with reasonable deliberate haste. > We need to move What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being expressed on this and other lists. Owen > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: > >> Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. >> >> We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. >> >> Regards, >> Sunday Olutayo >> >> On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: >> >> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. >> >> Thanks Wayne.... >> >> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. >> >> Mr.Masilela Lucky >> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye >> Mr.Bope Christian >> Mr.Ilunga Serge >> Mr.Ojedeji Seun >> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy >> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) >> >> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. >> >> +++1 >> >> >> >> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >> >> >> +++1 >> >> Noah >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Legal council was present at that point as well. > > ? > > Andrew > > ? > > ? > > From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] > Sent: 23 March 2018 11:47 > To: AfriNIC ; Andrew Alston ; Alan > Cc: General > Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations > > ? > > Andrew, > > Thanks for your answer to my questions. > > ?"I would say that very much constitutes information discussed within the board" > > this quote is your statement, but it does not sound as if you are sure of what constitute an NDA, the reason an expert advice is needed. Also you yet to p -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olutayo at olutayo.ng Fri Mar 23 10:24:22 2018 From: olutayo at olutayo.ng (Sunday Olutayo) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 06:24:22 -0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations Message-ID: Andrew, Thanks for your sincerity, I believe you mean well for AfriNIC. Now, it is established the the cases are different, in law, a cited case is only relevant if the materials are same, this has place more emphasis on due process.? Also, in the case that has been cited, there were presence of legal council, but in this case, we are yet to have the opinion of legal council. So let not use kidney ailment drug prescription for headache. Let this case be investigated in it own merit. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 23, 2018 5:49 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: > > They were wider than that ? it does not matter ? a third party in the context of the resolution submitted refers to anyone who is not a board member ? that includes staff. > > ? > > Andrew > > ? > > ? > > ? > > ? > > From: Sunday Olutayo [mailto:olutayo at olutayo.ng] > Sent: 23 March 2018 12:27 > To: AfriNIC ; Andrew Alston ; Alan > Cc: General > Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations > > ? > > Once again, thanks Andrew, but those that were made to step downtown, was it as a result of sharing information with AfiNIC staff? > > Regards, > Sunday Olutayo > > On Mar 23, 2018 5:02 AM, Andrew Alston wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaberamatogoro at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 07:13:21 2018 From: jaberamatogoro at gmail.com (Matogoro Jabera) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:13:21 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] New Chair and Vice Chair of the Board at AFRINIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Alan, AFRINIC, CEO I am taking this opportunity to congratulate Eng. Abibu and Dr. Bope for the appointment. Wishing them all the best especially during this transition period for an investigation of allegation. Regards, Matogoro Jabhera University of Dodoma On Mar 23, 2018 6:28 PM, "Alan Barrett" wrote: [Version fran?aise ci-dessous] Dear AFRINIC members and community, Sunday Folayan and Haitham El-Nakhal have stepped down from their positions as Chair and Vice Chair of the AFRINIC Board, pending the conclusion of an investigation into allegations that have been made against them. They sent email messages of resignation on 16 March 2018, and sent signed letters of resignation today, 23 March 2018, after legal advice was received yesterday, 22 March 2018, that signed letters were necessary. The AFRINIC Board has elected Abibu Ntahigiye as Chair, and Christian Bope as Vice Chair, for an interim period to be re-evaluated after the conclusion of the investigation, but no later than 31 May 2018. I congratulate them on their appointment and wish them well. Regards, Alan Barrett CEO, AFRINIC ? Chers membres et communaut? d'AFRINIC, Sunday Folayan et Haitham El-Nakhal ont d?missionn? de leurs fonctions de pr?sident et de vice-pr?sident du Conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC, en attendant la conclusion d'une enqu?te sur les all?gations qui ont ?t? formul?es contre eux. Ils ont envoy? des courriels de d?mission le 16 mars 2018 et ont envoy? des lettres de d?mission sign?es aujourd'hui, le 23 mars 2018, apr?s qu'un avis juridique ait ?t? re?u hier, le 22 mars 2018, indiquant que des lettres sign?es ?taient n?cessaires. Le Conseil d'AFRINIC a ?lu Abibu Ntahigiye ? la pr?sidence, et Christian Bope ? la vice-pr?sidence, pour une p?riode int?rimaire ? r??valuer apr?s la fin de l'enqu?te, mais au plus tard le 31 mai 2018. Je les f?licite pour leur nomination et leur souhaite bien. Cordialement, Alan Barrett DG, AFRINIC _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrhountomey at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 14:01:10 2018 From: jrhountomey at gmail.com (Jean-Robert Hountomey) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:01:10 -0500 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Dear CEO, Thank you for the report. It tells that the Board is taking prudent steps to investigate the claims. Prudence also requires questioning the fact that staff relies on community list to express views and concerns about working conditions and rights. It COULD be the symptom of staff feeling not heard or not trusting anymore Senior Leadership or something else. Looking at AfriNIC?s critical success factors (1): could you please let us know since the board held several meetings, 1. if AfriNIC is planning to investigate the root cause,?identify potential risks of developing signs of a negative work culture and manage them ? 2. if AfriNIC is going to implement proper and proactive measures as whether or not the claims are valid ? 3. if AfriNIC is going to publish and Equal Opportunity Policy Statement as I read on the career page (2) "AFRINIC is committed to an open and transparent recruitment process and is proud to be an equal opportunity employer". Thank you. Regards. Jean-Robert Hountomey References. (1). https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/origins (2). https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/career On 3/22/18 1:50 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: > Dear AFRINIC community, > > The AFRINIC Board has held several meetings recently, including a special meeting today (22 March 2018) to discuss the recent allegations. The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste. > > The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent investigation are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or before 30 April 2018. > > The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018. > > The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects to be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval. > > Alan Barrett, CEO, on behalf of the AFRINIC Board > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From arsenebaguma at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 14:10:55 2018 From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:10:55 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] New Chair and Vice Chair of the Board at AFRINIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Alan, I have been following the current serious issues happening in the house and i am glad they are being taken seriously. I do share the same concerns as raised on this list by many members and look forward to the outcome of the investigation process that has been initiated. I would like to congratulate the new leadership team on the Board and wish them all the best as they carry these responsabilities at such an important time in the house. I do hope they will be able to bring back peace and rebuild the trust that many community members have lost in the leadership team at all levels and during their tenure. Best regards, Arsene ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Matogoro Jabera wrote: > > Dear Alan, AFRINIC, CEO > > I am taking this opportunity to congratulate Eng. Abibu and Dr. Bope for the appointment. > > Wishing them all the best especially during this transition period for an investigation of allegation. > > > Regards, > Matogoro Jabhera > University of Dodoma > > > On Mar 23, 2018 6:28 PM, "Alan Barrett" wrote: > [Version fran?aise ci-dessous] > > Dear AFRINIC members and community, > > Sunday Folayan and Haitham El-Nakhal have stepped down from their positions as Chair and Vice Chair of the AFRINIC Board, pending the conclusion of an investigation into allegations that have been made against them. They sent email messages of resignation on 16 March 2018, and sent signed letters of resignation today, 23 March 2018, after legal advice was received yesterday, 22 March 2018, that signed letters were necessary. > > The AFRINIC Board has elected Abibu Ntahigiye as Chair, and Christian Bope as Vice Chair, for an interim period to be re-evaluated after the conclusion of the investigation, but no later than 31 May 2018. I congratulate them on their appointment and wish them well. > > Regards, > > Alan Barrett > CEO, AFRINIC > > ? > > Chers membres et communaut? d'AFRINIC, > > Sunday Folayan et Haitham El-Nakhal ont d?missionn? de leurs fonctions de pr?sident et de vice-pr?sident du Conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC, en attendant la conclusion d'une enqu?te sur les all?gations qui ont ?t? formul?es contre eux. Ils ont envoy? des courriels de d?mission le 16 mars 2018 et ont envoy? des lettres de d?mission sign?es aujourd'hui, le 23 mars 2018, apr?s qu'un avis juridique ait ?t? re?u hier, le 22 mars 2018, indiquant que des lettres sign?es ?taient n?cessaires. > > Le Conseil d'AFRINIC a ?lu Abibu Ntahigiye ? la pr?sidence, et Christian Bope ? la vice-pr?sidence, pour une p?riode int?rimaire ? r??valuer apr?s la fin de l'enqu?te, mais au plus tard le 31 mai 2018. Je les f?licite pour leur nomination et leur souhaite bien. > > Cordialement, > > Alan Barrett > DG, AFRINIC > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Sat Mar 24 14:18:35 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:35 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: > On 24 Mar 2018, at 18:01, Jean-Robert Hountomey wrote: > > Dear CEO, > > Thank you for the report. It tells that the Board is taking prudent > steps to investigate the claims. Prudence also requires questioning the > fact that staff relies on community list to express views and concerns > about working conditions and rights. It COULD be the symptom of staff > feeling not heard or not trusting anymore Senior Leadership or something > else. It ?could be? many things, and I will not engage in speculation here. Neither will I answer questions that appear to preempt the investigation process. I call on the entire community not to engage in speculation. Alan Barrett From hrobert at africacert.org Sat Mar 24 14:46:26 2018 From: hrobert at africacert.org (Jean-Robert Hountomey) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:46:26 -0500 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <3742e8b8-e388-a626-259f-31be382534c5@africacert.org> CEO, Alright,You could have just said that these questions are noted and taking into consideration in the investigation. Thank you, since the questions appear to preempt the investigation process. I expect the answers in the report. Thank you. Regards. Jean-Robert Hountomey. On 3/24/18 9:18 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > >> On 24 Mar 2018, at 18:01, Jean-Robert Hountomey wrote: >> >> Dear CEO, >> >> Thank you for the report. It tells that the Board is taking prudent >> steps to investigate the claims. Prudence also requires questioning the >> fact that staff relies on community list to express views and concerns >> about working conditions and rights. It COULD be the symptom of staff >> feeling not heard or not trusting anymore Senior Leadership or something >> else. > It ?could be? many things, and I will not engage in speculation here. Neither will I answer questions that appear to preempt the investigation process. > > I call on the entire community not to engage in speculation. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From hrobert at africacert.org Sat Mar 24 17:54:50 2018 From: hrobert at africacert.org (Jean-Robert Hountomey) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?How_to_add_Board_suspension_and_rem?= =?utf-8?q?oval_procedure_by_members_in_AfriNIC=E2=80=99s_Bylaws?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521914090.53428056@apps.rackspace.com> CEO, Thank you. I will wait for the GC to make comments. Regards. Jean-Robert Hountomey. -----Original Message----- From: "Alan Barrett" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 7:50am To: "General Discussions of AFRINIC" Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws > On 22 Mar 2018, at 23:20, Hountomey Jean Robert wrote: > > March 22, 2018 > > Governance Committee > African Network Information centre > (AFRINIC) > 11th Floor, Standard Chartered Tower > 19, Cybercity Eb?ne > Republic of Mauritius > > Attention: Wafa Dahmani, Chair of the Governance Committee > Attention: Alan Barret, Chief Executive Officer > Attention: Chairman of the Board Since I was specifically addressed, I will respond. I understand that the Governance Committee has also agreed to take up the matter. > 1. Do we have a procedure at AfriNIC for members to remove a Director (Board) with or without cause since Directors are appointed by members? > 2. If yes, what is the procedure, if no how can such a procedure be implemented? > 3. How can the Power of Members as described in Section 7 of the Bylaws be extended to remove a Board Member? > 4. What changes in the Bylaws such a procedure will require? > 5. If introduced when can it be effective? We do not have such a procedure, and members voted against a resolution that would have given them that power. A Special Resolution was proposed at the AFRINIC SGMM in November 2016, see SR16 in . The resolution failed with only 73% YES votes, while 75% would have been needed for it to pass. I am not sure what formalities are needed between such a special resolution being passed in an AGMM and the change taking effect. 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ZABIKA From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Sun Mar 25 07:07:39 2018 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:07:39 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> , Message-ID: Owen I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no opinions on this issue. We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the matter at hand. In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit for office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. I?m sorry that sickens me. Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it?s time we move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish you well. Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as ?mob mentality? is insulting to say the least. I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that continues to puzzle me to this day. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong > wrote: On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The community is a much larger body. The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough for community to feel he is no longer suitable. Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the individuals involved. At least there is one true statement in your email. The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed with reasonable deliberate haste. We need to move What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being expressed on this and other lists. Owen Sent from my iPhone On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. Thanks Wayne.... And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. Mr.Masilela Lucky Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye Mr.Bope Christian Mr.Ilunga Serge Mr.Ojedeji Seun Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. +++1 To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. +++1 Noah _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madomey at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 12:10:46 2018 From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:10:46 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> , , Message-ID: >Owen At this particular stage of the life of AfriNIC when we the community is managing a crisis, communication becomes a sensitive tool anyone should use cautiously. Common sense (the best shared thing in the world ? Descartes, 1637) requires that we should be circumspect with what we post on our mailing list. Unfortunately, your behavior on the mailing list is other way. A question was posed on the board on the rational for setting the amount of $ 15000.00 for the investigation and the Common sense requires that the board responds to this question. You are not a board member and you jump in to answer and the best you could do is to insult the one who posed the question. Is this mental indiscipline part of the so call ?rich experience? you have? Whichever way, please we don?t need it. Keep it to yourself because it is disgusting. More vaporware!!! Marcus ________________________________ From: Badru Ntege Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:07:39 AM To: Owen DeLong Cc: General Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment Owen I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no opinions on this issue. We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the matter at hand. In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit for office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. I?m sorry that sickens me. Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it?s time we move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish you well. Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as ?mob mentality? is insulting to say the least. I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that continues to puzzle me to this day. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong > wrote: On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The community is a much larger body. The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough for community to feel he is no longer suitable. Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the individuals involved. At least there is one true statement in your email. The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed with reasonable deliberate haste. We need to move What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being expressed on this and other lists. Owen Sent from my iPhone On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. Regards, Sunday Olutayo On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. Thanks Wayne.... And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. Mr.Masilela Lucky Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye Mr.Bope Christian Mr.Ilunga Serge Mr.Ojedeji Seun Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. +++1 To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. +++1 Noah _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Sun Mar 25 12:42:34 2018 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: Owen, On this one I agree with Marcus and Badru. Just to add also that occassional advice which mean good from community folks from outside the region is welcome but with caustion. I have seen folks send emails with rather sarcastic wikipedia references which are pointless. But different folks based on culture handle things differently. Take forexample USA, it would take a leader who has been accused of forexample any form of harrasment less than 24hrs to step aside with dignity. People dont just wake up in the morning and accuse others if there is no some serious reason and sometimes you find someone has been undergoing some sort of abuse for a while and they reach a point where they cant deal anymore and they voice out. Anyways, what we are trying to say is, guests should not play kind, especially when there are wrong doings which may affect culture and people from a specific region. Noah On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 1:17 p.m. Marcus K. G. Adomey, wrote: > >Owen > > > > At this particular stage of the life of AfriNIC when we the community is > managing a crisis, communication becomes a sensitive tool anyone should use > cautiously. Common sense (the best shared thing in the world ? Descartes, > 1637) requires that we should be circumspect with what we post on our > mailing list. Unfortunately, your behavior on the mailing list is other > way. > > > > A question was posed on the board on the rational for setting the amount > of $ 15000.00 for the investigation and the Common sense requires that the > board responds to this question. You are not a board member and you jump in > to answer and the best you could do is to insult the one who posed the > question. Is this mental indiscipline part of the so call ?rich experience? > you have? Whichever way, please we don?t need it. Keep it to yourself > because it is disgusting. > > > > More vaporware!!! > > > > > > > Marcus > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Badru Ntege > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:07:39 AM > *To:* Owen DeLong > *Cc:* General > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Owen > > I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was > publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no > opinions on this issue. > > We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the > matter at hand. > > In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board > member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff > which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. > > On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit > for office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced > that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. > > Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. > > > We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us > that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. > > I?m sorry that sickens me. > > Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and > we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it?s time we > move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish > you well. > > > Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as > ?mob mentality? is insulting to say the least. > > I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in > Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that > continues to puzzle me to this day. > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: > > > One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through > an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. > > > Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the > result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The > community is a much larger body. > > The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer > investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough > for community to feel he is no longer suitable. > > > Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are > saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented > showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. > > The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs > to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the > individuals involved. > > > At least there is one true statement in your email. > > The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his > issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. > > > Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling > for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. > > However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made > earlier. > > > This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the > discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to > use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no > prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed > with reasonable deliberate haste. > > We need to move > > > What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a > lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to > investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? > > I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I > do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. > > I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with > due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being > expressed on this and other lists. > > Owen > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo wrote: > > Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some > people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, > and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. > > We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let > follow due process, the independent committee should it work. > > Regards, > Sunday Olutayo > On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, wrote: > > > Some body from the AfriNic board that is *NOT* implicated in either the > harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control *now* and make a > decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 > hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of > the issues. > > Thanks Wayne.... > > And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion > but i could be wrong. > > Mr.Masilela Lucky > Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye > Mr.Bope Christian > Mr.Ilunga Serge > Mr.Ojedeji Seun > Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy > Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) > > The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of > April for an investigation to start. > > +++1 > > > > To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together > quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to > resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. > > > +++1 > > Noah > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amelnaud at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 18:53:57 2018 From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:53:57 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: Owen, In what capacity are you writting? as a simple community member or Reverend Sunday's lawyer? The reason i ask is because the ardor you put in defending the defendants surprises me a lot. Why don't you let the reverend defend himself! He is mature enough and has been chairing the board for a while. As usual you are trying to play the devil, but the current scenario requires care and a sense of responsibility as the attitude one would expect from an ARIN AC member. Please let this community shows you how we handle issues which may differ from where you come fom. Accept the difference and learn for once. Regards Arnaud Le ven. 23 mars 2018 20:51, Owen DeLong a ?crit : > > On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: > > > One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through > an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. > > > Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the > result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The > community is a much larger body. > > The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer > investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough > for community to feel he is no longer suitable. > > > Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are > saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented > showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. > > The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs > to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the > individuals involved. > > > At least there is one true statement in your email. > > The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his > issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. > > > Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling > for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. > > However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made > earlier. > > > This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the > discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to > use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no > prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed > with reasonable deliberate haste. > > We need to move > > > What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a > lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to > investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? > > I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I > do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. > > I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with > due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being > expressed on this and other lists. > > Owen > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo wrote: > > Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some > people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, > and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. > > We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let > follow due process, the independent committee should it work. > > Regards, > Sunday Olutayo > On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, wrote: > > > Some body from the AfriNic board that is *NOT* implicated in either the > harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control *now* and make a > decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 > hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of > the issues. > > Thanks Wayne.... > > And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion > but i could be wrong. > > Mr.Masilela Lucky > Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye > Mr.Bope Christian > Mr.Ilunga Serge > Mr.Ojedeji Seun > Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy > Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) > > The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of > April for an investigation to start. > > +++1 > > > > To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together > quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to > resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. > > > +++1 > > Noah > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madomey at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 08:34:09 2018 From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 08:34:09 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: <2B5E93AC-32F5-400B-9D26-D411FD462222@afrinic.net> References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> , <2B5E93AC-32F5-400B-9D26-D411FD462222@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Dear Community, Do we have to go outside of the organisation and wait so long to get a legal advice on such critical matters? Don't we have a Legal adviser hired by AFRINIC? Shall we assume AFRINIC also has some issues with its Legal Department? Some questions that come across my mind. thanks Marcus ________________________________ From: Alan Barrett Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:07:14 AM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations > On 23 Mar 2018, at 13:53, Noah wrote: > Dear Afrinic BoD, > > While you are waiting for the legal advice on the obvious breach of NDA and the DISREGARD of PRIVACY when it comes to board private discussions; > > How are you dealing with the breach of fiduciary responsibilities and ethics ? > > When would the board take this scandal seriously and exercise the due diligence? Let me point out that the Board has already stated that "The Board recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste.? So, please do not expect the Board to act with undue haste. Alan Barrett _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abibu at tznic.or.tz Mon Mar 26 08:48:17 2018 From: abibu at tznic.or.tz (Abibu R. Ntahigiye) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:48:17 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Notice of resignation of Mr. Sunday Folayan from Afrinic Board In-Reply-To: <14f6268f-c82e-47d6-5796-ada3a8404e2f@tznic.or.tz> References: <14f6268f-c82e-47d6-5796-ada3a8404e2f@tznic.or.tz> Message-ID: Dear Afrinic Members, This is to inform you that today 26th March 2018 the Board has received a letter of resignation from Mr. Sunday Folayan from the Afrinic Board. The Board wishes to inform you further that it will take necessary steps as per company guidelines to fill the vacant Board seat. The Board would like to thank Mr. Folayan for his services to the Members and community at large and wishes him all the best in his future endeavors. regards -- Abibu R. Ntahigiye CEO, tzNIC / Interim Chairman, AfriNIC From funga.roho at yandex.com Mon Mar 26 10:30:35 2018 From: funga.roho at yandex.com (Kangamutima zabika Christophe) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:30:35 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 287, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1287821522060235@web8g.yandex.ru> Owen, J'ai attentivement lu te relu votre intervention, sans vouloir revenir sur le vif du sujet parceque l'int?ress? a d?j? d?missionn?, je dirais seulement que lorsque quelqu'un va de lui-m?me prononc? des paroles qui l'accusent (aveu), m?me la police le place d'abord en garde ? vue le temps de v?rifier la coh?rence de ses dires par rapport aux circonstances du crime pr?tendument avou?. C'est ? ce titre que certains membres de la communaut? r?clamaient que celui qui a avou? ces faits se d?portent des charges lui d?volues au conseil d'administration en attendant les conclusions de la commission d'enqu?te. Pour les autres accusations portant sur sa personne, la commission d'enqu?te nous communiquera ses conclusions. KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA From d.olajide72 at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 16:30:14 2018 From: d.olajide72 at gmail.com (damola olajide) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:30:14 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <9011C7F3-4490-4E7A-876B-9249DDE875A3@afrinic.net> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> <9011C7F3-4490-4E7A-876B-9249DDE875A3@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Hello I spent several days and read everyone emails as well as the internal staff complaints that were disclosed publicly. I appreciate and respect everyone comments. I have doubts regarding the outcome of the independent investigations in the light as to how this complaint was handled by Afrinic HR (Mr Yavisht Toolseeya). Regards, -- Damola Olajide Network & Security Engineer Lagos, Nigeria On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 00:46, Raz BIRAMAH wrote: > > > > Dear Alan, are you then saying that NDA violation is still an ? > allegation ? that need to be investigated? > > NDA violation is an allegation that has been made by some in the > community. The actions that give rise to the allegation have been > admitted, so there is no need to investigate whether or not the actions > took place. The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not those > actions constitute an NDA violation. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Mon Mar 26 16:52:46 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:52:46 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations In-Reply-To: References: <06039966-E465-4DF2-9E14-58A01B4F9F6A@afrinic.net> <2B5E93AC-32F5-400B-9D26-D411FD462222@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <87119A9C-4A1A-4DB6-8EAA-23E051043195@afrinic.net> > On 26 Mar 2018, at 12:34, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > Dear Community, > > Do we have to go outside of the organisation and wait so long to get a legal advice on such critical matters? Don't we have a Legal adviser hired by AFRINIC? Shall we assume AFRINIC also has some issues with its Legal Department? > > Some questions that come across my mind. Dear Marcus, Please do not assume things that have not been stated. You don?t know whether or not the Board has sought external legal advice, you don?t know how long they have waited for advice. Alan Barrett From d.olajide72 at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 17:28:09 2018 From: d.olajide72 at gmail.com (damola olajide) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:28:09 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Due diligence taken before hiring Afrinic HR Manager Message-ID: Hello In light of the recent disclosed complaints, we have received no reply from Afrinic HR regarding more details about staff turnover in the AGMM report. Thus, I have done my own investigation on Mr Yavisht Toolseeya. In the following link, https://vpmpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Annual-Report-2013.pdf we can notice on page 9 that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya is in the board of directors of a company called Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD. I translated the following article that appeared on a famous Mauritius newspaper as follows: https://www.lemauricien.com/article/detournements-arrestation-et-inculpation-des-maserati-boys-vacoas which amounts to conspiracy to defraud to wit: Using black money for personal financial gain. I strongly doubt that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya despite being in the board of directors of Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD would act as a whistleblower of this scandal instead of tuning a deaf ear to the situation. Similarly, we can perceive how this reflects on his attitude as HR Manager of Afrinic. I question Afrinic choice about his recruitment. Was due diligence done before hiring Mr Yavisht Toolseeya as HR Manager of Afrinic ? 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In the following link, https://vpmpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Annual-Report-2013.pdf we can notice on page 9 that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya is in the board of directors of a company called Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD. I translated the following article that appeared on a famous Mauritius newspaper as follows: https://www.lemauricien.com/article/detournements-arrestation-et-inculpation-des-maserati-boys-vacoas which amounts to?conspiracy to defraud to wit: Using black money for personal financial gain. I strongly doubt that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya despite being in the board of directors of??Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD would act as a whistleblower of this scandal instead of tuning a deaf ear to the situation. Similarly, we can perceive how this reflects on his attitude as HR Manager of Afrinic. I question Afrinic choice about his recruitment. Was due diligence done before hiring Mr?Yavisht Toolseeya as HR Manager of Afrinic ? 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We don?t know for a fact that the individual referred to in those documents is the same one that works for AfriNIC (I found more than one individual with that same name in Mauritius). Secondly ? based on the second article ? the allegations against the Co-operative were thoroughly investigated and lead to legal action against those complicit ? as in ? everyone was found to be complicit ? got arrested ? and since Mr Yoolseeya ? if it is the same individual ? was not arrested ? I question how you can claim he is liable *IF* he is the same individual. Thirdly ? The individual was hired before the current CEO took up his position ? he was hired under the reign of another CEO ? so the question about what due diligence was done by the CEO before hiring senior staff ? would need to be directed at the former CEO, or the persons directly responsible for his hiring ? in the case of that being the former CEO ? you?d need to ask him ? in the case of it being anyone else ? they probably cannot disclose what due diligence turned up because of privacy laws. Andrew From: damola olajide Date: Monday, 26 March 2018 at 20:30 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: [Community-Discuss] Due diligence taken before hiring Afrinic HR Manager Hello In light of the recent disclosed complaints, we have received no reply from Afrinic HR regarding more details about staff turnover in the AGMM report. Thus, I have done my own investigation on Mr Yavisht Toolseeya. In the following link, https://vpmpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Annual-Report-2013.pdf we can notice on page 9 that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya is in the board of directors of a company called Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD. I translated the following article that appeared on a famous Mauritius newspaper as follows: https://www.lemauricien.com/article/detournements-arrestation-et-inculpation-des-maserati-boys-vacoas which amounts to conspiracy to defraud to wit: Using black money for personal financial gain. I strongly doubt that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya despite being in the board of directors of Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD would act as a whistleblower of this scandal instead of tuning a deaf ear to the situation. Similarly, we can perceive how this reflects on his attitude as HR Manager of Afrinic. I question Afrinic choice about his recruitment. Was due diligence done before hiring Mr Yavisht Toolseeya as HR Manager of Afrinic ? 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I was just concerned by the time set by the board for the legal advice, knowing that good board governance and senior legal adviser like the one employed by AFRINIC for more than a decade should have answered this question of breach or not of NDA. Let me honest with you and WITH ALL THE DUE RESPECT, all these concerns are caused by the terribly poor communication skills you have displayed in managing this crisis. Regards, Marcus ________________________________ From: Alan Barrett Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:52:46 PM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations > On 26 Mar 2018, at 12:34, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > Dear Community, > > Do we have to go outside of the organisation and wait so long to get a legal advice on such critical matters? Don't we have a Legal adviser hired by AFRINIC? Shall we assume AFRINIC also has some issues with its Legal Department? > > Some questions that come across my mind. Dear Marcus, Please do not assume things that have not been stated. You don?t know whether or not the Board has sought external legal advice, you don?t know how long they have waited for advice. Alan Barrett _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noah at neo.co.tz Mon Mar 26 21:43:40 2018 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:43:40 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call to urgently address Afrinic management issues Message-ID: Dear AfriNIC Board, Writting in my personal capacity as a member and an Afrinic community folk. I would like to state that, the recent complaints from AfriNIC staff have showed abuse of power, management issues and among other things human ressources issues. Quite a number of anonymous emails have been sent to various mailing lists of which some even ended up on private members list and most of the issues in these emails seem to highlight what we would assume as an unhappy Afrinic with some staff members trying to show the deepness of the challenges faced within the organisation. Among the issues are; 1. Some staff are complaining of harrasment (inapproproate language etc) from fellow staff and we look forward to getting an update on how issues of work-place harrassment have been handled and if human resource measures have been put in place going forward to address this behaviour while the investigations of one of the complaint is still ongoing. 2.Most importantly the HR issues need to be addressed to ensure that Afrinic employees work in a condusive working environment which is fair to all, both the male and the female staff. Meanwhile; Can the board kindly look into the management issues that are affecting the organisation and addressed them. Can the board initiate a complete and full audit of the organisation not only finance but also human resources. Can the board also look into how the top management is performing as well. We want to see a vibrant Afrinic going forward. Regards, Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Owen > > Mirriam > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:29 PM, damola olajide > wrote: > Hello > > In light of the recent disclosed complaints, we have received no reply from Afrinic HR regarding more details about staff turnover in the AGMM report. > > Thus, I have done my own investigation on Mr Yavisht Toolseeya. > > In the following link, https://vpmpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Annual-Report-2013.pdf we can notice on page 9 that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya is in the board of directors of a company called Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD. > > I translated the following article that appeared on a famous Mauritius newspaper as follows: https://www.lemauricien.com/article/detournements-arrestation-et-inculpation-des-maserati-boys-vacoas which amounts to conspiracy to defraud to wit: Using black money for personal financial gain. > > I strongly doubt that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya despite being in the board of directors of Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD would act as a whistleblower of this scandal instead of tuning a deaf ear to the situation. > > Similarly, we can perceive how this reflects on his attitude as HR Manager of Afrinic. 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URL: From owen at delong.com Tue Mar 27 04:17:23 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:17:23 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: <251D3295-8F87-4287-A1C6-16BF5C867E06@delong.com> > On Mar 25, 2018, at 11:53 , Arnaud AMELINA wrote: > > Owen, > > In what capacity are you writting? as a simple community member or Reverend Sunday's lawyer? Since I am not now, nor have I ever been a lawyer, this seems a rather silly question. Against my better judgment, I will dignify it with the answer that I am writing as a member of the community, your less than flattering opinion of my mental abilities notwithstanding. > The reason i ask is because the ardor you put in defending the defendants surprises me a lot. I don?t believe I have defended Sunday. What I have said is that he is innocent until proven guilty and has a right to due process. That we should not consider allegations alone to be proof. > Why don't you let the reverend defend himself! He is mature enough and has been chairing the board for a while. In any instance where I see a mob going after someone without a trial or conviction, I will attempt to dissuade said mob. It is what is necessary if we are to have a just society built on a rule of law instead of chaos built on vigilantes and lynch mobs. > As usual you are trying to play the devil, but the current scenario requires care and a sense of responsibility as the attitude one would expect from an ARIN AC member. I don?t believe for one second that I have ever attempted to play the devil. Perhaps you intended devil?s advocate (which I admit I sometimes will play, but not all that often, actually). However, whether you intended what you actually said or what I believe you meant, in either case, that is not what is happening here. I am merely suggesting that a lynch mob full of vigilantes is not a useful mechanism for resolving the current situation and that we should all stand down, let cooler heads prevail, and wait for due process to sort itself out. > Please let this community shows you how we handle issues which may differ from where you come fom. No, we still have parts of the deep south where some citizens are occasionally subjected to vigilantes and lynch mobs. It?s an unfortunate tragedy that we have not completely eliminated these groups, but racial hatred, fear mongering, and tribalism are difficult to eliminate from a society with such a long tradition of it. I do believe that the community as a whole, save for a few vocal members such as yourself, is attempting to follow due process and do things correctly. I?m all for that. > Accept the difference and learn for once. I don?t think that I can accept a difference that includes a lack of due process, justice, and rational rule of law. Lynch mobs and vigilantes and hate groups are evil things that I will oppose wherever I encounter them, whether it is in my own country, or around the world. Owen > > Regards > > Arnaud > > > Le ven. 23 mars 2018 20:51, Owen DeLong > a ?crit : > >> On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: >> >> >> One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. > > Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The community is a much larger body. > >> The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough for community to feel he is no longer suitable. > > Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. > >> The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the individuals involved. > > At least there is one true statement in your email. > >> The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. > > Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. > >> However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. > > This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed with reasonable deliberate haste. > >> We need to move > > What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? > > I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. > > I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being expressed on this and other lists. > > Owen > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: >> >>> Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. >>> >>> We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sunday Olutayo >>> >>> On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: >>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: >>> >>> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. >>> >>> Thanks Wayne.... >>> >>> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. >>> >>> Mr.Masilela Lucky >>> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye >>> Mr.Bope Christian >>> Mr.Ilunga Serge >>> Mr.Ojedeji Seun >>> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy >>> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) >>> >>> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. >>> >>> +++1 >>> >>> >>> >>> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >>> >>> >>> +++1 >>> >>> Noah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Tue Mar 27 04:29:11 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:29:11 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: <119B581B-73E6-443B-B724-75FDEE67E03C@delong.com> You are both entitled to your opinion. I don?t agree with Marcus? interpretation of my actions or my motivations, but I see little point in dignifying either with a blow-by-blow accounting of where they diverge from reality. Owen > On Mar 25, 2018, at 05:42 , Noah wrote: > > Owen, > > On this one I agree with Marcus and Badru. > > Just to add also that occassional advice which mean good from community folks from outside the region is welcome but with caustion. I have seen folks send emails with rather sarcastic wikipedia references which are pointless. > > But different folks based on culture handle things differently. > > Take forexample USA, it would take a leader who has been accused of forexample any form of harrasment less than 24hrs to step aside with dignity. People dont just wake up in the morning and accuse others if there is no some serious reason and sometimes you find someone has been undergoing some sort of abuse for a while and they reach a point where they cant deal anymore and they voice out. > > Anyways, what we are trying to say is, guests should not play kind, especially when there are wrong doings which may affect culture and people from a specific region. > > Noah > > > > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 1:17 p.m. Marcus K. G. Adomey, > wrote: > >Owen > > > > At this particular stage of the life of AfriNIC when we the community is managing a crisis, communication becomes a sensitive tool anyone should use cautiously. Common sense (the best shared thing in the world ? Descartes, 1637) requires that we should be circumspect with what we post on our mailing list. Unfortunately, your behavior on the mailing list is other way. > > > > A question was posed on the board on the rational for setting the amount of $ 15000.00 for the investigation and the Common sense requires that the board responds to this question. You are not a board member and you jump in to answer and the best you could do is to insult the one who posed the question. Is this mental indiscipline part of the so call ?rich experience? you have? Whichever way, please we don?t need it. Keep it to yourself because it is disgusting. > > > > More vaporware!!! > > > > > > > > Marcus > > > > From: Badru Ntege > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:07:39 AM > To: Owen DeLong > Cc: General > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Owen > > I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no opinions on this issue. > > We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the matter at hand. > > In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. > > On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit for office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. > > Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. > > We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. > > I?m sorry that sickens me. > > Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it?s time we move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish you well. > > > Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as ?mob mentality? is insulting to say the least. > > I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that continues to puzzle me to this day. > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong > wrote: > >> >>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: >>> >>> >>> One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. >> >> Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The community is a much larger body. >> >>> The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough for community to feel he is no longer suitable. >> >> Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. >> >>> The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the individuals involved. >> >> At least there is one true statement in your email. >> >>> The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. >> >> Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. >> >>> However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. >> >> This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed with reasonable deliberate haste. >> >>> We need to move >> >> What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? >> >> I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. >> >> I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being expressed on this and other lists. >> >> Owen >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: >>> >>>> Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. >>>> >>>> We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sunday Olutayo >>>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: >>>> >>>> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. >>>> >>>> Thanks Wayne.... >>>> >>>> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. >>>> >>>> Mr.Masilela Lucky >>>> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye >>>> Mr.Bope Christian >>>> Mr.Ilunga Serge >>>> Mr.Ojedeji Seun >>>> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy >>>> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) >>>> >>>> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. >>>> >>>> +++1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >>>> >>>> >>>> +++1 >>>> >>>> Noah >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Tue Mar 27 04:47:25 2018 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:47:25 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> Message-ID: <05819694-F9F4-4D19-8763-655D71A53D74@delong.com> > On Mar 25, 2018, at 00:07 , Badru Ntege wrote: > > Owen > > I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no opinions on this issue. Fair enough. > We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the matter at hand. I don?t believe I ever argued against this. > In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. Nor, in any part of the world is it normal for such a private conversation to be shared with the general public by said junior staffer. There are lots of things about this situation which are unusual. > On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit for office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. In fact, I don?t entirely disagree. Nonetheless, there is a due process to be followed in that case unless and until such time as the person in question resigns (as he did today). My argument was merely that until the due process is followed, calling for a lynching isn?t appropriate. > Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. > > We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. Not at all. At no point have I attempted to re-write the basic understanding of right and wrong. I have said that it is necessary to distinguish between allegation and fact. That it is necessary to follow due process rather than invoke vigilantes in a lynch mob. That a mob-justice mentality may lead to some subset of the community feeling good about the outcome for a while, but it rarely (if ever) leads to actual justice. > I?m sorry that sickens me. I?m sorry, but I?ve been sickened by the multiple calls against due process and seeking expedited punishment without waiting for full consideration and investigation of the facts of the matter. > Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it?s time we move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish you well. I haven?t suggested that anyone is not entitled to encourage Sunday to resign. I have said that we should not, must not, force him out of office without due process. > Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as ?mob mentality? is insulting to say the least. I?m sorry if I bruised your ego. After your multiple ad hominem attacks against me over the years, I would have thought that my small issue-based call of your attempts to force action absent due process as I saw it would not have such a strong impact. > I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that continues to puzzle me to this day. Not at all. I have no desire or intent for AfriNIC to accept Sunday?s conduct. It shows a staggering case of bad judgment at the least, IMHO. However, I was opposed to any attempts to bypass due process in dealing with the situation. Something which would be unlikely to even be attempted in any other RIR and a behavior which is uniquely commonplace in AfriNIC. Consider, for example, the deplorable lack of meeting decorum (and clear lack of good control of the meeting by those charing it) during the AfriNIC meeting in Kenya. I?m sorry if you find my opinion of these matters insulting, but, your mischaracterization of my words demands such a response. Owen > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong > wrote: > >> >>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege > wrote: >>> >>> >>> One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. >> >> Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The community is a much larger body. >> >>> The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough for community to feel he is no longer suitable. >> >> Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community. >> >>> The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the individuals involved. >> >> At least there is one true statement in your email. >> >>> The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. >> >> Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. >> >>> However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made earlier. >> >> This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed with reasonable deliberate haste. >> >>> We need to move >> >> What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? >> >> I?m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. >> >> I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being expressed on this and other lists. >> >> Owen >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo > wrote: >>> >>>> Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. >>>> >>>> We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let follow due process, the independent committee should it work. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sunday Olutayo >>>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah > wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, > wrote: >>>> >>>> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. >>>> >>>> Thanks Wayne.... >>>> >>>> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion but i could be wrong. >>>> >>>> Mr.Masilela Lucky >>>> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye >>>> Mr.Bope Christian >>>> Mr.Ilunga Serge >>>> Mr.Ojedeji Seun >>>> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy >>>> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) >>>> >>>> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April for an investigation to start. >>>> >>>> +++1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >>>> >>>> >>>> +++1 >>>> >>>> Noah >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the case of what I was objecting to, not so much. > Someone admits to wrong doing and members of the community come out to ask for his resignation as due process goes on, and you have the guts to call them a mob. > > Only you owen, only you indeed. You are entitled to your opinion. Owen > > Mirriam > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't use words to play with the community, people here are not foolish. Like i said, only you Owen, only you. Mirriam. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 27, 2018, at 00:26 , Mirriam wrote: Owen Please give the community members who called for Sundays resignation some respect will you! My objection was not to those calling for his resignation. It was to those calling for his dismissal from the board without due process. We are not a mob, but intelligent enough people to know what is wrong and what is right.? Perhaps in the case of what you describe, that is true. In the case of what I was objecting to, not so much. Someone admits to wrong doing and members of the community come out to ask for his resignation as due process goes on, and you have the guts to call them a mob.? Only you owen, only you indeed. You are entitled to your opinion. 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The discussions and opinions expressed by Owen showed once again who he is and what are his intentions and goals about Afrinic success... we all remember his thoughts and almost insults to Afrinic pioneers ( Vaporware. ..). Let us ignore him, but always consider any good and constructive advices or opinions he might have from time to time. Arnaud 2018-03-27 8:28 GMT+00:00 Mirriam via Community-Discuss < community-discuss at afrinic.net>: > Owen > > >>My objection was not to those calling for his >>resignation. It was to > those calling for his >>dismissal from the board without due >>process. > > You mean due process after he admitted to having shared private > information which tantamount to a breach of the NDA. > > Didn't you see that section? The community referred to a similar > historical event where board members had resigned from board under similar > circumstance of breach of NDA. > > Don't use words to play with the community, people here are not foolish. > > Like i said, only you Owen, only you. > > Mirriam. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 00:26 , Mirriam wrote: > > Owen > > Please give the community members who called for Sundays resignation some > respect will you! > > > My objection was not to those calling for his resignation. It was to those > calling for his dismissal from the board without due process. > > We are not a mob, but intelligent enough people to know what is wrong and > what is right. > > > Perhaps in the case of what you describe, that is true. 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URL: From aalain at trstech.net Tue Mar 27 11:17:28 2018 From: aalain at trstech.net (ALAIN AINA) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:17:28 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Due diligence taken before hiring Afrinic HR Manager In-Reply-To: <6C5AE459-79E6-4FAA-A83D-679126A0AF26@liquidtelecom.com> References: <6C5AE459-79E6-4FAA-A83D-679126A0AF26@liquidtelecom.com> Message-ID: <61CF7745-A99E-4344-B489-A84FA4E41CB9@trstech.net> Hi Andrew, Mr Yavisht Toolseeya was appointed as [Office Administration Manager] reporting to the [ Director of Human Resources & Administration] as from August 2014. He got promoted as [Human Resources and Administration Manager] reporting to the CEO as from July 2015. Former CEO left end of January 2015 and the new CEO took office from April 2015. Hope this clarifies and set the records. Thanks -Alain > On 26 Mar 2018, at 19:53, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Just some thoughts and observations? > > Firstly ? We don?t know for a fact that the individual referred to in those documents is the same one that works for AfriNIC (I found more than one individual with that same name in Mauritius). > Secondly ? based on the second article ? the allegations against the Co-operative were thoroughly investigated and lead to legal action against those complicit ? as in ? everyone was found to be complicit ? got arrested ? and since Mr Yoolseeya ? if it is the same individual ? was not arrested ? I question how you can claim he is liable *IF* he is the same individual. > Thirdly ? The individual was hired before the current CEO took up his position ? he was hired under the reign of another CEO ? so the question about what due diligence was done by the CEO before hiring senior staff ? would need to be directed at the former CEO, or the persons directly responsible for his hiring ? in the case of that being the former CEO ? you?d need to ask him ? in the case of it being anyone else ? they probably cannot disclose what due diligence turned up because of privacy laws. > > Andrew > > > > From: damola olajide > Date: Monday, 26 March 2018 at 20:30 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Due diligence taken before hiring Afrinic HR Manager > > Hello > > In light of the recent disclosed complaints, we have received no reply from Afrinic HR regarding more details about staff turnover in the AGMM report. > > Thus, I have done my own investigation on Mr Yavisht Toolseeya. > > In the following link, https://vpmpcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Annual-Report-2013.pdf we can notice on page 9 that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya is in the board of directors of a company called Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD. > > I translated the following article that appeared on a famous Mauritius newspaper as follows: https://www.lemauricien.com/article/detournements-arrestation-et-inculpation-des-maserati-boys-vacoas which amounts to conspiracy to defraud to wit: Using black money for personal financial gain. > > I strongly doubt that Mr Yavisht Toolseeya despite being in the board of directors of Vacoas Popular Multi Purpose Co-operative Society LTD would act as a whistleblower of this scandal instead of tuning a deaf ear to the situation. > > Similarly, we can perceive how this reflects on his attitude as HR Manager of Afrinic. I question Afrinic choice about his recruitment. Was due diligence done before hiring Mr Yavisht Toolseeya as HR Manager of Afrinic ? > > > Regards, > > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abibu at tznic.or.tz Tue Mar 27 12:24:51 2018 From: abibu at tznic.or.tz (Abibu R. Ntahigiye) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:24:51 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <2106270839.236398.1522139337365@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> <05819694-F9F4-4D19-8763-655D71A53D74@delong.com> <361959795.239761.1522135612612@mail.yahoo.com> <7B8E00F5-4428-45F5-9466-852DBB5F1DA4@delong.com> <2106270839.236398.1522139337365@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Owen, Miriam and the whole community, I would like to remind you and draw your attention to the Afrinic community code of conduct: https://afrinic.net/en/community/code-of-conduct. I wouldn't like to point fingers and list who said what as I believe the code of conduct is very clear and should be observed. rgds On 27/03/2018 11:28, Mirriam via Community-Discuss wrote: > Owen > > >>My objection was not to those calling for his >>resignation. It was to > those calling for his >>dismissal from the board without due >>process. > > You mean due process after he admitted to having shared private > information which tantamount to a breach of the NDA. > > Didn't you see that section? The community referred to a similar > historical event where board members had resigned from board under > similar circumstance of breach of NDA. > > Don't use words to play with the community, people here are not foolish. > > Like i said, only you Owen, only you. > > Mirriam. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 00:26 , Mirriam > > wrote: >> >> Owen >> >> Please give the community members who called for Sundays >> resignation some respect will you! > > My objection was not to those calling for his resignation. It was > to those calling for his dismissal from the board without due process. > >> We are not a mob, but intelligent enough people to know what is >> wrong and what is right. > > Perhaps in the case of what you describe, that is true. In the > case of what I was objecting to, not so much. > >> Someone admits to wrong doing and members of the community come >> out to ask for his resignation as due process goes on, and you >> have the guts to call them a mob. >> >> Only you owen, only you indeed. > > You are entitled to your opinion. > > Owen > >> >> Mirriam >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Owen DeLong >> > wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- Abibu R. Ntahigiye CEO, tzNIC / Interim Chair, Afrinic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ali at hussein.me.ke Tue Mar 27 12:36:30 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:36:30 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: References: <2a7x8firuvgoly8448rhv191.1521735275003@email.android.com> <05819694-F9F4-4D19-8763-655D71A53D74@delong.com> <361959795.239761.1522135612612@mail.yahoo.com> <7B8E00F5-4428-45F5-9466-852DBB5F1DA4@delong.com> <2106270839.236398.1522139337365@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Abibu Thanks for pointing this out. This community is degenerating to something that is not nice at all. I believe we can all agree or disagree in a civil manner without resorting to some of the language being used on this list. It is unbecoming of all of us. Let us respect each other, the community and the institution we are a part of. I humbly request we stop this back and forth and let the committee working on this do its work and report back to the community. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Abibu R. Ntahigiye wrote: > Dear Owen, Miriam and the whole community, > > I would like to remind you and draw your attention to the Afrinic > community code of conduct: https://afrinic.net/en/ > community/code-of-conduct. > > I wouldn't like to point fingers and list who said what as I believe the > code of conduct is very clear and should be observed. > > > rgds > On 27/03/2018 11:28, Mirriam via Community-Discuss wrote: > > Owen > > >>My objection was not to those calling for his >>resignation. It was to > those calling for his >>dismissal from the board without due >>process. > > You mean due process after he admitted to having shared private > information which tantamount to a breach of the NDA. > > Didn't you see that section? The community referred to a similar > historical event where board members had resigned from board under similar > circumstance of breach of NDA. > > Don't use words to play with the community, people here are not foolish. > > Like i said, only you Owen, only you. > > Mirriam. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 00:26 , Mirriam wrote: > > Owen > > Please give the community members who called for Sundays resignation some > respect will you! > > > My objection was not to those calling for his resignation. It was to those > calling for his dismissal from the board without due process. > > We are not a mob, but intelligent enough people to know what is wrong and > what is right. > > > Perhaps in the case of what you describe, that is true. In the case of > what I was objecting to, not so much. > > Someone admits to wrong doing and members of the community come out to ask > for his resignation as due process goes on, and you have the guts to call > them a mob. > > Only you owen, only you indeed. > > > You are entitled to your opinion. > > Owen > > > Mirriam > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing listCommunity-Discuss at afrinic.nethttps://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > -- > Abibu R. Ntahigiye > > CEO, tzNIC / Interim Chair, Afrinic > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abibu at tznic.or.tz Tue Mar 27 13:16:30 2018 From: abibu at tznic.or.tz (Abibu R. Ntahigiye) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:16:30 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions In-Reply-To: References: <054e0e18-ea3d-44bb-7103-622ef3152bf3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Mr. Andrew, The Board recalls a number of questions you did put forward on July 14th July 2017. One of the issues asked was about the competition with regards to the operations of Afrinic. I would like, for the records, to update you and the community as follows: 1. On same day (14th July 2014) the former Board Chair provided an acknowledgement of the e-mail and promised a response within 60 days; 2. On 23rd Sept 2017 (10 days after the promised deadline) the former Board Chair apologised for the failure to meet the deadline and requested for another 2 weeks. 3. On 3rd October 2017 (about 4 days before the requested new deadline) the former Board Chair replied with the message that included the following text: Q1. Can the Board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2006, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is? A1:As you know, AFRINIC's ?Board of Directors? is bound by Section 143 of the Companies Act "to act in good faith and in the best interests of the company". In order to do so, the Board is bound by AFRINIC?s Constitution, policies and best practices of corporate governance. You, as an ex-board member know that AFRINIC Board of directors makes effort to keep away from interfering in policy discussions as a Board, irrespective of whether it is the in-bound transfer or the bi-directional transfer or any other policy to preserve the core principle of ?bottom-up? process as indicated in AFRINIC PDP. It is not possible to assess whether there is a risk or a potential liability under the Mauritian Companies Act 2001 in the absence of a proposal about bi-directional transfers. Given that the policies for number resources are determined by the Internet Community, it is up to the Community to take the initiative to propose a bi-directional transfer policy if it believes that there is a need for such a policy. Q2. Can the Board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation. ?A2: If you see a potential or real risk on AFRINIC because of the absence of the bi-directional transfer policy with regards to the Mauritius Companies Act, let us know in which part or article in the Mauritian Companies Act you feel such risks may exist for AFRINIC Ltd. The Board will ask the AFRINIC?s legal counsel to investigate it and prepare a detailed report about that risk to be published for the community. Right now, AFRINIC?s legal counsel is of the opinion that there is no current risk of the absence of such policy, in as much as the community is not approving such policy for the AFRINIC region. On same day (3 October 2017), you clarified that you had intended to ask about the Competition Act and not the Companies Act. On 5th October 2017, the former Chair of the Board responded with a message that included the following: "The Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take." Now, I would like to inform you and the whole community that the Board did indeed begin an investigation as promised. The first step was to seek advice from AFRINIC?s legal counsel, and subsequently to seek advice from the Mauritius Competition Commission. Below are the details: On 7th October 2017 (2 weeks prior to the promised start date), AFRINIC?s legal counsel provided an opinion to the Board that there is no cause for concern about a potential breach of the Competition Act. On 8th November 2017, AFRINIC?s CEO and Legal Counsel met with the Executive Director of the Competition Commission of Mauritius, and two of their head investigators. The Competition Commission undertook to investigate and report. On 14th December 2017, AFRINIC?s legal counsel was informed that the Competition Commission had not yet considered our request. As of March 2018, the Competition Commission has advised that the case is still being investigated and AFRINIC shall be informed of any outcome. Having briefed/updated you and the whole community, I believe we all know know the pace at which most Governments/Government Agencies operate and therefore the Board is not in a position to promise as to when the response from the Competition Commission will be obtained. However, the Board? reassures you and the whole community that it will continue pushing, through reminders, for the response from the commission. 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On 3/27/18 5:01 AM, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: > > Hi, Community > > Enough is enough... The discussions and opinions expressed by Owen > showed once again who he is and what are ?his intentions and goals > about Afrinic success... we all remember his thoughts and almost > insults to Afrinic pioneers ( Vaporware. ?..). Let us ignore him, but > always consider ?any good ?and constructive advices or opinions he > might have from time to time. > > Arnaud > > > 2018-03-27 8:28 GMT+00:00 Mirriam via Community-Discuss > >: > > Owen > > >>My objection was not to those calling for his >>resignation. It was > to those calling for his >>dismissal from the board without due > >>process. > > You mean due process after he admitted to having shared private > information which tantamount to a breach of the NDA. > > Didn't you see that section? The community referred to a similar > historical event where board members had resigned from board under > similar circumstance of breach of NDA. > > Don't use words to play with the community, people here are not > foolish. > > Like i said, only you Owen, only you. > > Mirriam. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Owen DeLong > > wrote: > >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 00:26 , Mirriam > > wrote: >> >> Owen >> >> Please give the community members who called for Sundays >> resignation some respect will you! > > My objection was not to those calling for his resignation. It > was to those calling for his dismissal from the board without > due process. > >> We are not a mob, but intelligent enough people to know what >> is wrong and what is right.? > > Perhaps in the case of what you describe, that is true. In the > case of what I was objecting to, not so much. > >> Someone admits to wrong doing and members of the community >> come out to ask for his resignation as due process goes on, >> and you have the guts to call them a mob.? >> >> Only you owen, only you indeed. > > You are entitled to your opinion. > > Owen > >> >> Mirriam >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Owen DeLong >> > wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think Mr Toolseeya will be part of the Independent investigator. > > Regards, > > -- > Damola Olajide > Network & Security Engineer > Lagos, Nigeria > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Alan Barrett > wrote: > >> >> >> > On 23 Mar 2018, at 00:46, Raz BIRAMAH wrote: >> > >> > Dear Alan, are you then saying that NDA violation is still an ? >> allegation ? that need to be investigated? >> >> NDA violation is an allegation that has been made by some in the >> community. The actions that give rise to the allegation have been >> admitted, so there is no need to investigate whether or not the actions >> took place. The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not those >> actions constitute an NDA violation. >> >> Alan Barrett >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- Borg le Chevalier ___________________________________ "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Barrett From ali at hussein.me.ke Wed Mar 28 16:53:02 2018 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:53:02 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment In-Reply-To: <142D6603-983B-4668-8AA7-69F988A3ED87@afrinic.net> References: <10d5aea3-1a71-7e5d-2eb0-933b8bc3fe2f@gmail.com> <317CF16F-9FF3-4EED-B767-0AD784BDB35F@steffann.nl> <9011C7F3-4490-4E7A-876B-9249DDE875A3@afrinic.net> <142D6603-983B-4668-8AA7-69F988A3ED87@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Why is the community continuing to speculate on this issue when it is already being dealt with by a committee of the board? Do we not have confidence in the process? And if not is there a better way? Let's not second guess the team guys.. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > On 27 Mar 2018, at 22:46, Noah wrote: > > > >> I don't think Mr Toolseeya will be part of the Independent investigator. > > > > He will be involved as HR and perhaps what damola is trying to say is > that he doubts Mr.Yavisht will be fair. > > I can assure you that the investigation into Vymala Poligadu-Thuron?s > allegations will be independent. > > Once again, I call on the community not to engage in speculation. > > Alan Barrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net Fri Mar 30 14:04:47 2018 From: Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net (Omo Oaiya) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Congratulations Moez Chakchouk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C15A101-5300-4122-84B2-3DB1721FA8F7@wacren.net> Dear Moez, Best of luck for your future and congratulations for this achievement. AfriNIC's loss is UNESCO?s gain. Keep going! Omo > On 30 Mar 2018, at 11:29, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: > > Dear Community > > > Let us congratulate our own Moez Chakchouk for his appointment as Assistant Director-General for Communication and Information for UNESCO [1]. > > > For those who remember well, Moez was a candidate for AfriNIC CEO position in 2015 and also candidate to the AfriNIC BoD in 2016. > > > Let us wish him all the best on this new endavour. > > > Regards > > Anaud > > > [1] https://en.unesco.org/news/unesco-executive-appointments > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss From wafa at ati.tn Fri Mar 30 14:27:53 2018 From: wafa at ati.tn (wafa DAHMANI) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:27:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?How_to_add_Board_suspension_and_rem?= =?utf-8?q?oval_procedure_by_members_in_AfriNIC=E2=80=99s_Bylaws?= In-Reply-To: <1823878175.120611.1522420056411.JavaMail.zimbra@ati.tn> References: Message-ID: <503633243.120615.1522420073427.JavaMail.zimbra@ati.tn> Dear Mr Jean-Robert Hountomey, The governance Committee received your request on 'How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws' Thursday, 22 March 2018 on the community-discuss mailing list. AFRINIC does not have a procedure for members to remove directors. However, the Governance Committee, as part of its work has made a review of Afrinic bylaws and the resolutions proposed by the board in Mauritius during AFRINIC-25 meeting. The Governance Committee will be advising the community on a number resolutions which will include recommendation for the removal of board directors by AFRINIC members. Warm Regards, The Governance Committee De: "Hountomey Jean Robert" ?: community-discuss at afrinic.net Envoy?: Jeudi 22 Mars 2018 20:20:31 Objet: [Community-Discuss] How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws March 22, 2018 Governance Committee African Network Information centre (AFRINIC) 11th Floor, Standard Chartered Tower 19, Cybercity Eb?ne Republic of Mauritius Attention: Wafa Dahmani, Chair of the Governance Committee Attention: Alan Barret, Chief Executive Officer Attention: Chairman of the Board Dear Members of the AfriNIC Governance Committee; Subject: How to add Board suspension and removal procedure by members in AfriNIC?s Bylaws Understanding your role to advise ?the AFRINIC Board, AFRINIC Membership, and the community, on matters of governance? as described in section 1. Purpose of the AFRINIC Governance Committee Terms of Reference (1); Considering that you conducted previously a bylaws review (2) as announced in a letter to the community (3); Acknowledging the content of the Governance Committee Guidelines Sections B.E (4); After reading AfriNIC bylaws Section 13: Appointment of Directors, Section 14: Removal of Directors (5) and the Companies Act 2001 of Mauritius as amended from time to time; and its Section 139 as cited in the Bylaws but also its section 138; Taking into consideration that other RIRs; RIPE NCC (6) Article 9, and ARIN (7) Article IV have a process for removal / suspension from Office by the General Meeting for the former or the General Members by the latter; Understanding a Board?s fundamental, legal responsibility to provide oversight and accountability for an organization, and being grateful to AfriNIC?s Board, I would like to ask the following questions: 1. Do we have a procedure at AfriNIC for members to remove a Director (Board) with or without cause since Directors are appointed by members? 2. If yes, what is the procedure, if no how can such a procedure be implemented? 3. How can the Power of Members as described in Section 7 of the Bylaws be extended to remove a Board Member? 4. What changes in the Bylaws such a procedure will require? 5. If introduced when can it be effective? Hoping that you share our enthusiasm of providing AfriNIC with effective corporate governance framework, I look forward to a prompt reply. Sincerely yours, Jean-Robert Hountomey, References. (1). https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee/1891-afrinic-governance-committee-terms-of-reference (2). https://afrinic.net/images/20170216-Minutes_GovCom.pdf (3). https://afrinic.net/images/20170523-GovCom-Letter.pdf (4). https://afrinic.net/en/about/governance-committee/governance-committee-documents/2245-governance-committe-guidelines (5). https://afrinic.net/images/AFRINIC_Constitution_2016.pdf (6). https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-602 (7). https://www.arin.net/about_us/corp_docs/bylaws.html _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Sat Mar 31 14:05:26 2018 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:05:26 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for volunteers - ad hoc NomCom for Board Seat 2 Message-ID: [Version fran?aise ci-dessous] Dear AFRINIC community, Call for volunteers - ad hoc NomCom for Board Seat 2 Following the resignation of Mr Sunday Folayan from the AFRINIC Board, Seat 2 (Western Africa) is vacant. The Board as per Resolution 201803.399 resolved to hold an election for Seat 2 at the next AGMM in May 2018 in Dakar, Senegal. This implies that NomCom should propose a slate of candidates, and in terms of the Bylaws article 12.2(ii), the slate of candidates must be included in the notice of the meeting. However, the current NomCom 2018 includes members who reside in Western Africa, and now there is an open seat for Western Africa, which raises a conflict with the Bylaws article 9.1. After receiving legal advice and after providing time for AFRINIC members to comment, the Board's intention is to appoint an ad hoc NomCom to handle only the election for Seat 2, leaving the existing NomCom to handle other elections. I hereby call for volunteers from the community to fill three open positions on an ad hoc Nomination Committee (NomCom) to finalise the list of candidates for Board Seat 2 (Western Africa) for an election to be held at the AGMM in May 2018 in Dakar, Senegal. If you are interested in serving on the ad hoc NomCom, please send your expression of interest, including a short biography, by email to legalafrinic dot net by Tuesday 3 April 2018 at 12:00 UTC. Alan Barrett CEO, AFRINIC [version fran?ais] Ch?re communaut? AFRINIC, Appel ? volontaires - NomCom ad hoc pour le si?ge 2 au Conseil Suite ? la d?mission de M. Sunday Folayan du Conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC, si?ge 2 (Afrique de l'Ouest) est vacant. Le Conseil, conform?ment ? la r?solution 201803.399, a d?cid? de tenir une ?lection pour le si?ge 2 lors du prochain AGMM en mai 2018 ? Dakar, au S?n?gal. Cela implique que le NomCom propose une liste de candidats et que, conform?ment ? l'article 12.2 (ii) des Statuts, la liste des candidats soit incluse dans l'avis de convocation. Cependant, l'actuel NomCom 2018 comprend des membres qui r?sident en Afrique de l'Ouest, et maintenant il y a un si?ge ouvert pour l'Afrique de l'Ouest, ce qui soul?ve un conflit avec l'article 9.1 des Statuts. Apr?s avoir re?u un avis juridique et apr?s avoir donn? le temps aux membres de l'AFRINIC de commenter, le Conseil a l'intention de nommer un NomCom ad hoc pour g?rer uniquement l'?lection du si?ge 2, laissant le NomCom existant s'occuper d'autres ?lections. J'appelle par la pr?sente des volontaires de la communaut? ? pourvoir trois postes vacants ? un comit? de nomination ad hoc (NomCom) pour finaliser la liste des candidats pour le si?ge 2 (Afrique de l'Ouest) pour une ?lection ? l'AGMM en mai 2018 ? Dakar, S?n?gal. Si vous ?tes int?ress? ? servir sur le NomCom ad hoc, veuillez envoyer votre manifestation d'int?r?t, y compris une courte biographie, par courriel ? legal afrinic dot net avant le mardi 3 avril 2018 ? 12:00 UTC. Alan Barrett DG, AFRINIC