[Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
Wed Dec 19 09:01:22 UTC 2018

Just for clarity –

If space was allocated before the soft landing policy came into force – there was no policy whatsoever that prohibited off continent use of space – so – if you got space from AFRINIC – under the allocation policies – you could use it off continent

If an African registered company had every piece of infrastructure off continent – nothing would stop them getting space and using it globally – that changed with the soft landing coming into force – but allocations before that? Didn’t matter.

The soft landing policy also was not retro-active – so the restrictions on it only apply to space allocated since it came into force.

What the policy *does* say is that space must be used in the manner described in the initial application.  Now – that’s where things get real interesting.  Firstly – there is no guidance as to how strictly AFRINIC could enforce this – and it’s kinda bizarre – because people who applied for space back years ago in the dial up era that want to use the space today for GPON – if their application stated they wanted it to number dial up users – technically – they would be in violation and subject to space reclamation.

There is also *NO* method in the policies that I could find to change the stated purpose of use – that creates a very dangerous situation should someone choose to be stupid and malicious.

Then – we get to the fact that – since AFRINIC has publically admitted that they have corrupt data going back past a certain point – there is a very high degree of probability that without the attachments – you can’t even tell what the space was originally applied for – and hence – if it was allocated pre soft landing – and that documentation that describes its purpose is missing – well – the responsibility is on AFRINIC to prove that you are using it for something you didn’t ask for – else – it’s pretty much a free for all.

By my calculations – and based on the approximate dates I have – they are missing the attachments on applications for close to a /8 worth of space… and I would argue VERY strongly that in the absence of that documentation – it is impossible to do a fair and impartial review of use of space – since you cannot prove what it was allocated for in the first place.

Interesting times


From: Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com>
Sent: 19 December 2018 08:19
To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

Hello all

Le mer. 19 déc. 2018 à 08:40, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>> a écrit :

clearly nobody is against the general idea of the custodians of the IP
resources allocated to Africa to check that these are used for the
purpose they have been allocated to us as you put it.

it is the how.

for as long as the proposed process is prone to abuse, sorry it cant fly.

by the way, is there anything stopping AfriNIC to carry out audit as
allowed through registration service agreement (rsa)? if no, why are
we even having this discussion??

Thank you very much M. Jackson. I think we should not try to use policy where process is what is need. Since no person disagree that it is part of AFRINIC job, then it should publish a clear process that they use to do  review.

The existence of this policy seem to mean community don't trust that such process exist and better communication may solve that.

My first reason for start this thread is more about our PDP being broke and need to be fix to protect it from hijack some large entity. Larus particularly consern me because it say on their website, under one of their  product "IP DELEGATION SERVICE" (https://www.laruscloudservice.net/ip-delegation-service<https://www.laruscloudservice.net/ip-delegation-service>)

<<LARUS possesses seasoned expert in IP address policy. To focus on providing unmatched IPv4 address solutions in the world, IP addresses will be delegated to you directly from LARUS’s own IP pool. You will use the IP addresses like your own without limitation regarding geography and usage. This is a flexible and speedy service to meet your business needs.>>

i Are we sure these IP are not part of what Larus get from AFRINIC?
ii If it is, is that accepted use of IP according to RSA
iii How does company that have IP to sell justify needing more address?

These are thing that make me (and other people) concern and good answer to them will make thing clear for this community.


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>> me this is very bad. It means there are underlying principles in this
>> proposal that have not been properly written nor their ramifications
>> properly explained.
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