[Community-Discuss] [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair

Thu Dec 6 09:52:47 UTC 2018

I can only support this. Volunteers like Sami deserve a better treatment.

Boubakar

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:40 AM Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> This should resolve the issues around the legitimacy of an hard-working
> volunteer, for the job no one else wants to do, so that the community
> can move on.
>
> Moving on, is without prejudice to the rights and intention of other
> parties to appeal or not appeal if and when the last call is made by the
> legitimate callers - the Co-Chairs.
>
> Apologies for the cross-posting.
>
> Kind Regards ..
>
> R.SF.
>
> On 06/12/2018 09:01, Ernest Byaruhanga wrote:
> > Colleagues,
> >
> > Here is some background information on the matter of Sami’s term as
> co-chair of the Policy Development Working Group.
> >
> > On the 07 of June 2018, minutes of the AFRINIC28 public policy meeting
> were published on the AFRINIC website and shared with the co-chairs.
> >
> > The minutes are published at
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28
> >
> > The last two bullets of minute 6.1 read as follows:
> >
> > ----------
> > • Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to continue as co-chair
> till there is a process in future to find a new co-chair.
> > • Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to continue as
> co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period. There was strong
> support to have Sami continue – and he was therefore tasked to serve as
> temporary co-chair until the next scheduled nominations season.
> > —————
> >
> > The above is what guided Sami (and AFRINIC) to believe that his tenure
> would run "until the next scheduled nominations season”, which is next year
> at AIS/AFRINIC30 (2019).
> >
> > Looking at the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY,
> it’s clear that the recorded minute above did not accurately reflect what
> was discussed.
> >
> > Apologies for the confusion.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ernest.
> >
> >
> >> On 6 Dec 2018, at 10:38, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Arnaud,
> >>
> >> My motivation – when I found this situation and duly acted on it – was
> simple – to gather the evidence required to prove that the process had not
> been followed in the passing of this policy – the fact that while looking
> for other evidence to document all the objections that made this policy
> fail in Dakar, I came across this – is immaterial sometimes when you are
> documenting evidence to form solid and legitimate groundwork for an appeal
> when you know for a fact that process has not been followed, you come
> across things that you hadn’t seen before – that require action.
> >>
> >> If by “Is this what we can expect from Liquid” you refer to me
> personally insisting on adherence to process and adherence to the bylaws –
> then yes – that is what you can expect, please remember – in the context of
> the PDP – companies typically do not take the floor – individuals from the
> community do.  When and if I am speaking on behalf of my employer – I have
> always made this extremely clear.
> >>
> >> As for the vague insinuations about cross-checked data – yes – my data
> was wrong – it happens and I’ve admitted that – it happened because I
> relied on published data that I downloaded from a source that I believed to
> be trusted and didn’t verify it – my mistake and I apologise for that –
> however, that is not really relevant to the discussion at hand and is, in
> my opinion, you doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing, conflating
> issues to try and discredit something legitimate.  I refer to my previous
> email about members of this community engaging in “whataboutism” (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) – this is case in point.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: 06 December 2018 09:07
> >> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> >> Cc: abel ELITCHA <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
> Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <
> community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair
> >>
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Why do you always react following your ego and  pursuing personal
> interest and not community interest?  When you started this palaver on last
> call and Sami tenure, you tried on community-discuss to use data you have
> not cross checked to discredit  the organization  performance. What is your
> real motive? Is this what we should expect from Liquid telecom all along ?
> >>
> >> Arnaud
> >>
> >> Le mer. 5 déc. 2018 20:10, Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> a écrit :
> >> Komi,
> >>
> >> You cannot rewrite the mandate granted by the community in the minutes.
> >>
> >> Fact – the reality is – the community voted – clearly – on a 6 month
> mandate – that is indisputable fact.
> >> Fact – that mandate expired
> >>
> >> What the *minutes* say does not change the reality of a video recorded
> meeting.
> >>
> >> When the issue was raised – is immaterial – the context of the issue
> being raised – is immaterial – fact – is fact – the mandate was granted –
> the mandate expired.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Komi Elitcha <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, 5 December 2018 at 21:30
> >> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> >> Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair
> >>
> >> Hello Andrew,
> >>
> >> The minutes(*) of the PPM  of AFRINIC-28 was published by co-chairs as
> mandated by the PDP.
> >>
> >> The cochair election sections (6.1) read:
> >>
> >> [....]
> >>
> >> "The Elections Committee asked for a show of hands for those in favor,
> and those not in favor of Mark Elkins’ candidature. After a show of hands,
> there were 22 in favor and 56 not in favor of Mark’s candidature.
> >> NomCom Chair called for nominations from the floor to fill the empty
> PDWG co-chair seat.
> >> There were suggestions that the position be filled by a temporary
> co-chair until there’s another nominations process to find a replacement
> co-chair.
> >> Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to continue as co-chair till
> there is a process in future to find a new co-chair.
> >> Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to continue as
> co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period. There was strong
> support to have Sami continue – and he was therefore tasked to serve as
> temporary co-chair until the next scheduled nominations season."
> >>
> >> Practices at AFRINIC is that Elections are held  mostly during the
> community meeting coupled with AGMM. So it is not surprising to see that
> the PDWG admin page(**) lists Sami as cochair with term June2016 - June2019.
> >>
> >> This probably explains why an election process was not triggered for
> the AFRINIC-29.
> >>
> >> Nobody raised an alarm when the 77 days before election day passed (15
> September 2018) and there was no nomination process.Furthermore, at the
> beginning of the PPM in Hammamet, there was no objection to Sami chairing
> the meeting.
> >>
> >> Making all these noises, and challenging Sami right to operate at the
> meeting and moving on, just because Co-chairs made a decision one does not
> like is not responsible.
> >>
> >> Decency would have required the separation of issues  appropriately
> handling them through other mechanisms, which would  normally be more
> consensual with interest in conflict resolution an in an appealing manner .
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >>
> >> -Komi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (*)
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28
> >> (**)https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#admin
> >>
> >> Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 4:52 PM, Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> a écrit :
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I want to clarify something – to be very sure.
> >>
> >> If I am correct – there was no election of a PDP co-chair in Tunisia.
> Can someone please confirm that?  Because if there was no election – we
> only have ONE chair at the moment – and Sami’s status as a co-chair has
> lapsed and he cannot adjudicate on consensus.
> >>
> >> I say this – because in Dakar – and for those of you that were not
> there, please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY at about 13
> minutes in, Sami’s position was granted as interim only – and only for the
> following 6 months until the next PDP.
> >>
> >> So – unless there was an election called – and video evidence of this –
> Sami is no longer eligible to act in the position of co-chair – since his
> mandate was not granted by this community on the floor of a meeting, and as
> per the legal counsel at the Dakar meeting – any position into which Sami
> entered – was only valid until the November meeting, and the co-chair goes
> on, on record on the microphone to further state that Sami was only
> appointed “Until the next PDP meeting”
> >>
> >> Sami – on that note, thank you for your service as the interim co-chair
> over the preceeding 6 months.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
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