[Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

Omo Oaiya Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net
Tue Oct 3 09:29:39 UTC 2017


Exactly Mike. Thanks.

> On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:02, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Lu
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> I think you are misinterpreting the comment made.
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> I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you.
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> The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues we cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that could cause problems.
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> The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to replace the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we agree a mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA.
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> I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don’t think any was intended.
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> Mike
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>> On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com <mailto:h.lu at anytimechinese.com>> wrote:
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>> On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>> wrote:
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>>> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com <mailto:h.lu at anytimechinese.com>> wrote:
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>>> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate how we use IP addresses.
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>>  It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it responsibility to coordinate the management of INR.   Some might say this is its primary responsibility.
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>> Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate.   Your interest in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests.
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>> -Omo
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>> "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some).
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>> Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't happen in the very first place, because  in the bottom up process, only community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want to use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers.
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>> By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees.
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>> RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage internet resources.
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>> Kind regards.
>> Lu
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