From mje at posix.co.za Sun Oct 1 09:07:15 2017 From: mje at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 11:07:15 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] DLV Replaced with signed empty zone Message-ID: <72ed40bb-2610-bdc2-3ecf-e4b86cad54dd@posix.co.za> ISC's DLV is dead (well, empty). One should probably remove any "active" references to the DLV system from any Nameserver configurations. Please see: https://www.isc.org/blogs/dlv-replaced-with-signed-empty-zone/ -- Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa mje at posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496 For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za From comms-announce at afrinic.net Mon Oct 2 10:43:58 2017 From: comms-announce at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communications) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 14:43:58 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA Message-ID: Dear AFRINIC Community, AFRINIC is calling for comments on a revision to the Registration Service Agreement (RSA). The draft revised RSA may be found at https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf This revision to the RSA is necessary to allow transfers in accordance with the recently-approved policy AFPUB-2016-V4-003-DRAFT03 ?IPv4 Resources transfer within the AFRINIC Region? https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1969-ipv4-resources-transfer-within-the-afrinic-region. A few additional changes for clarity and consistency are also incorporated into the draft revised RSA In the document at https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf, deletions are marked with strikeout and additions are marked with underline. Colours are used to mark different kind of changes, as follows: ? magenta for the core changes needed to allow for transfers in accordance with adopted policies; ? yellow for definitions and related changes needed to allow for transfers; ? green for minor changes made for consistency or readability; ? blue for other changes. Comments are welcome in the community-discuss mailing list (https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community-discuss) until 30 October 2017. From sander at steffann.nl Mon Oct 2 11:29:12 2017 From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 13:29:12 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, > AFRINIC is calling for comments on a revision to the Registration Service Agreement (RSA). The draft revised RSA may be found at https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf > > This revision to the RSA is necessary to allow transfers in accordance with the recently-approved policy AFPUB-2016-V4-003-DRAFT03 ?IPv4 Resources transfer within the AFRINIC Region? > https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1969-ipv4-resources-transfer-within-the-afrinic-region. > > A few additional changes for clarity and consistency are also incorporated into the draft revised RSA In the document at https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf, deletions are marked with strikeout and additions are marked with underline. Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: > - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA that refer to allocations or assignments will automatically cover transfers as well. That seems fine. However section 1(c)(i) says: > - ?Services? may include, without limitation, an allocation/assignment or transfer of number resources. Depending on how someone wants to read it, that might be interpreted in a way that sets a precedent that says that transfers are not included in "allocation/assignment" by default and need to be mentioned explicitly. I know, I'm picking nits here, but for consistency and to avoid misinterpretations I think it would be better to either not mention "or transfers" here, or to explicitly include them in other places as well. Cheers, Sander -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However section 1(c)(i) says: > >> - ?Services? may include, without limitation, an allocation/assignment or transfer of number resources. > > Depending on how someone wants to read it, that might be interpreted in a way that sets a precedent that says that transfers are not included in "allocation/assignment" by default and need to be mentioned explicitly. > > I know, I'm picking nits here, but for consistency and to avoid misinterpretations I think it would be better to either not mention "or transfers" here, or to explicitly include them in other places as well. Thanks. I think we may be able to move the idea that a transfer is a kind of allocation or assignment to the definitions in 1(c), instead of a separate clause in 6(d)(viii). Alan Barrett -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 455 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From dewole at tinitop.com Mon Oct 2 17:04:50 2017 From: dewole at tinitop.com (Adewole Ajao) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:04:50 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > On 2 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: > > > >> - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or > assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA that refer to > allocations or assignments will automatically cover transfers as well. > > > > That seems fine. However section 1(c)(i) says: > > > >> - ?Services? may include, without limitation, an allocation/assignment > or transfer of number resources. > > > > Depending on how someone wants to read it, that might be interpreted in > a way that sets a precedent that says that transfers are not included in > "allocation/assignment" by default and need to be mentioned explicitly. > > > > I know, I'm picking nits here, but for consistency and to avoid > misinterpretations I think it would be better to either not mention "or > transfers" here, or to explicitly include them in other places as well. > > Thanks. I think we may be able to move the idea that a transfer is a kind > of allocation or assignment to the definitions in 1(c), instead of a > separate clause in 6(d)(viii). > It appears (today) under the context of application and registration that transfers may be treated the same as allocations and assignments. However, if for some unforeseen reason, it is decided in future (under some unforeseen context) that a transfer is to be treated differently from allocations and assignments, the documentation may become inconsistent. I would favour an explicit mention of transfers everywhere *for now* (given that we do not yet know transfers as well as we know allocations and assignments). Number/Numbering inconsistency persists in 6d (iii): *6d (iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the present agreement;* Consider prefixing "transfer of number resources..." in 6d (v) with the word "unauthorized" or something similar. I don't think we can say something is *strictly* prohibited and in the same breath say it can be done under certain conditions. *(v) that the transfer of number resources is strictly prohibited, except in the event of the Applicant becoming the subject of merger and/or acquisition proceedings, or where such transfer is effected in compliance with adopted policies;* Because a case may involve doing both (1) and (2) in 6d (viii), I believe (1) should read (just for the sake of reducing legal maneuvering space for an offender): (1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, *and/or. * *6d (viii) that in the event that it commits a breach in the use of number resources* *allocated or assigned to it, it shall:* *(1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, or* *(2) return the affected number resources to AFRINIC.* Dewole. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.lu at anytimechinese.com Tue Oct 3 04:28:43 2017 From: h.lu at anytimechinese.com (Lu Heng) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:28:43 +0800 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I believe there are still massive amount of IP address management item inside the RSA. As mentioned by a number of people, the RSA should not contain IP address management item. Instead, it shall simply contain legal relationship and AFRINIC, and allow member to financially support AFRINIC as the community's secretary. The example being RIPE NCC's standard service agreement: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673 There is no single word in this legal document which mentions policy terms like "assignment, allocation", or how you should use your IP address. It simply refers everything to policy in which it should be. Below are the clauses that are directly related to IP address management as I have read (please feel free to add if anything is missing): *4(c)(i)The Applicant hereby irrevocably:* *(i) Commits itself to using the services solely for the purpose for which it was requested. * *(If someone wants to transfer space, he/she is surely in valuation of committing himself/herself to using the service as it is the original purpose).* *4(c)(iv) Hereby binds itself to:* *(1) notify AFRINIC whenever its circumstances so change that it is no longer in need of the Internet number resources supplied or being supplied to it under a Registration Service Agreement;* *(2) surrender to AFRINIC within 15 days of the service of the notice at (iv)(1) above the Internet number resources supplied or being supplied to it under a Registration Service Agreement; * *(So if someone no longer needs space, they should return it to AFRINIC? This is in direct contradiction of the purpose of transfer policy)* *6(d)(iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the present agreement;* *(What if need base may be removed in the future just as it is in RIPE region, should we change RSA again?)* *1(a)(ii) requested to facilitate and maintain a meaningful bottom-up policy development process that allows the community at large to define policies and rules which would govern and regulate the allocation and assignment of number resources to its members; such policies are adopted in accordance with as defined in its Constitution;* *1(a)(v) empowered to ensure equitable, economic and efficient assignment/allocation of number resources to its members according to adopted number resources management policies;* *6(d)(vii)that a transfer of number resources from a source to a recipient constitutes an allocation or an assignment to the recipient* (It's also an IP management item which should not be mentioned here. Rather, it shall be defined in the policy. What if we change the policy and there is no more allocation or assignment? Shall we call everything IP delegation and update RSA again?) *All the above are IP address management-related items which are defined by policy and are subject to the change of policy. They shouldn't be written inside RSA; rather, they should simply be referred to policy. As the one Owen Delong wrote earlier:* *This RSA is subject to the community developed consensus policies contained inthe consolidated policy manual which is incorporated here by reference. Thisagreement shall be considered amended in accordance to each subsequent changeto those policies and the signatories accept in advance all such amendmentsas determined appropriate by the consensus of the community and ratified bythe AfriNIC board.* One more thing, when considering the need of clarity and avoiding legal risk for AFRINIC: *4(b)(2) within the limits of applicable laws and/or regulations of the jurisdiction in which it operates.* Should we change the cause like the one in RIPE NCC's agreement: *9.4(e)if the Member fails to observe any rule of applicable law, which should be adhered to by the Member. The RIPE NCC shall only terminate the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement for this reason if this is required by law or upon receipt of a court order forcing the RIPE NCC to do so.* As it is very unclear how AFRINIC will be able to determine if the operation is within the limit of legal boundary, such determination is always in the hands of court of each jurisdiction, even police cannot determine whether someone operates legally or not. Kind regards, Lu On 3 October 2017 at 01:04, Adewole Ajao wrote: > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Alan Barrett > wrote: > >> >> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Sander Steffann wrote: >> > Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: >> > >> >> - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or >> assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA that refer to >> allocations or assignments will automatically cover transfers as well. >> > >> > That seems fine. However section 1(c)(i) says: >> > >> >> - ?Services? may include, without limitation, an allocation/assignment >> or transfer of number resources. >> > >> > Depending on how someone wants to read it, that might be interpreted in >> a way that sets a precedent that says that transfers are not included in >> "allocation/assignment" by default and need to be mentioned explicitly. >> > >> > I know, I'm picking nits here, but for consistency and to avoid >> misinterpretations I think it would be better to either not mention "or >> transfers" here, or to explicitly include them in other places as well. >> >> Thanks. I think we may be able to move the idea that a transfer is a >> kind of allocation or assignment to the definitions in 1(c), instead of a >> separate clause in 6(d)(viii). >> > > It appears (today) under the context of application and registration that > transfers may be treated the same as allocations and assignments. > > However, if for some unforeseen reason, it is decided in future (under > some unforeseen context) that a transfer is to be treated differently from > allocations and assignments, the documentation may become inconsistent. I > would favour an explicit mention of transfers everywhere *for now* (given > that we do not yet know transfers as well as we know allocations and > assignments). > > Number/Numbering inconsistency persists in 6d (iii): > *6d (iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those > numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified > in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the > present agreement;* > > Consider prefixing "transfer of number resources..." in 6d (v) with the > word "unauthorized" or something similar. I don't think we can say > something is *strictly* prohibited and in the same breath say it can be > done under certain conditions. > *(v) that the transfer of number resources is strictly prohibited, except > in the event of the Applicant becoming the subject of merger and/or > acquisition proceedings, or where such transfer is effected in compliance > with adopted policies;* > > Because a case may involve doing both (1) and (2) in 6d (viii), I believe > (1) should read (just for the sake of reducing legal maneuvering space for > an offender): > (1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, *and/or. * > > *6d (viii) that in the event that it commits a breach in the use of number > resources* > *allocated or assigned to it, it shall:* > *(1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, or* > *(2) return the affected number resources to AFRINIC.* > > Dewole. > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- -- Kind regards. Lu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dewole at tinitop.com Tue Oct 3 05:29:54 2017 From: dewole at tinitop.com (Adewole Ajao) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 05:29:54 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> Message-ID: Hi, I don't think you can remove all mention of IP address management from the RSA *before* you have put policies in place to substitute them. Perhaps you (or others) could propose a set of policies that replace the "IP address management" intentions set forth in the RSA. When those new policies are ratified in line with the PDP, removal of IP address management from the RSA then becomes feasible. Dewole. On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 at 9:29 PM Lu Heng wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > > > I believe there are still massive amount of IP address management item > inside the RSA. > > > > As mentioned by a number of people, the RSA should not contain IP address > management item. Instead, it shall simply contain legal relationship and > AFRINIC, and allow member to financially support AFRINIC as the community's > secretary. > > > > The example being RIPE NCC's standard service agreement: > > > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673 > > > > There is no single word in this legal document which mentions policy terms > like "assignment, allocation", or how you should use your IP address. It > simply refers everything to policy in which it should be. > > > > Below are the clauses that are directly related to IP address management > as I have read (please feel free to add if anything is missing): > > > > *4(c)(i)The Applicant hereby irrevocably:* > > > > *(i) Commits itself to using the services solely for the purpose for > which it was requested. * > > > > *(If someone wants to transfer space, he/she is surely in valuation of > committing himself/herself to using the service as it is the original > purpose).* > > > > *4(c)(iv) Hereby binds itself to:* > > > > *(1) notify AFRINIC whenever its circumstances so change that it is no > longer in need of the Internet number resources supplied or being supplied > to it under a Registration Service Agreement;* > > > > *(2) surrender to AFRINIC within 15 days of the service of the notice at > (iv)(1) above the Internet number resources supplied or being supplied to > it under a Registration Service Agreement; * > > > > *(So if someone no longer needs space, they should return it to AFRINIC? > This is in direct contradiction of the purpose of transfer policy)* > > > > *6(d)(iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those > numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified > in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the > present agreement;* > > > > *(What if need base may be removed in the future just as it is in RIPE > region, should we change RSA again?)* > > > > *1(a)(ii) requested to facilitate and maintain a meaningful bottom-up > policy development process that allows the community at large to define > policies and rules which would govern and regulate the allocation and > assignment of number resources to its members; such policies are adopted in > accordance with as defined in its Constitution;* > > > > *1(a)(v) empowered to ensure equitable, economic and efficient > assignment/allocation of number resources to its members according to > adopted number resources management policies;* > > > > *6(d)(vii)that a transfer of number resources from a source to a recipient > constitutes an allocation or an assignment to the recipient* > > > > (It's also an IP management item which should not be mentioned here. > Rather, it shall be defined in the policy. What if we change the policy and > there is no more allocation or assignment? Shall we call everything IP > delegation and update RSA again?) > > > > *All the above are IP address management-related items which are defined > by policy and are subject to the change of policy. They shouldn't be > written inside RSA; rather, they should simply be referred to policy. As > the one Owen Delong wrote earlier:* > > > > > > > > > *This RSA is subject to the community developed consensus policies > contained inthe consolidated policy manual which is incorporated here by > reference. Thisagreement shall be considered amended in accordance to each > subsequent changeto those policies and the signatories accept in advance > all such amendmentsas determined appropriate by the consensus of the > community and ratified bythe AfriNIC board.* > > > > One more thing, when considering the need of clarity and avoiding legal > risk for AFRINIC: > > > > *4(b)(2) within the limits of applicable laws and/or regulations of the > jurisdiction in which it operates.* > > > > Should we change the cause like the one in RIPE NCC's agreement: > > > > *9.4(e)if the Member fails to observe any rule of applicable law, which > should be adhered to by the Member. The RIPE NCC shall only terminate the > RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement for this reason if this is required by > law or upon receipt of a court order forcing the RIPE NCC to do so.* > > > > As it is very unclear how AFRINIC will be able to determine if the > operation is within the limit of legal boundary, such determination is > always in the hands of court of each jurisdiction, even police cannot > determine whether someone operates legally or not. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Lu > > On 3 October 2017 at 01:04, Adewole Ajao wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Alan Barrett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Sander Steffann wrote: >>> > Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: >>> > >>> >> - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or >>> assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA that refer to >>> allocations or assignments will automatically cover transfers as well. >>> > >>> > That seems fine. However section 1(c)(i) says: >>> > >>> >> - ?Services? may include, without limitation, an >>> allocation/assignment or transfer of number resources. >>> > >>> > Depending on how someone wants to read it, that might be interpreted >>> in a way that sets a precedent that says that transfers are not included in >>> "allocation/assignment" by default and need to be mentioned explicitly. >>> > >>> > I know, I'm picking nits here, but for consistency and to avoid >>> misinterpretations I think it would be better to either not mention "or >>> transfers" here, or to explicitly include them in other places as well. >>> >>> Thanks. I think we may be able to move the idea that a transfer is a >>> kind of allocation or assignment to the definitions in 1(c), instead of a >>> separate clause in 6(d)(viii). >>> >> >> It appears (today) under the context of application and registration that >> transfers may be treated the same as allocations and assignments. >> >> However, if for some unforeseen reason, it is decided in future (under >> some unforeseen context) that a transfer is to be treated differently from >> allocations and assignments, the documentation may become inconsistent. I >> would favour an explicit mention of transfers everywhere *for now* >> (given that we do not yet know transfers as well as we know allocations and >> assignments). >> >> Number/Numbering inconsistency persists in 6d (iii): >> *6d (iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those >> numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified >> in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the >> present agreement;* >> >> Consider prefixing "transfer of number resources..." in 6d (v) with the >> word "unauthorized" or something similar. I don't think we can say >> something is *strictly* prohibited and in the same breath say it can be >> done under certain conditions. >> *(v) that the transfer of number resources is strictly prohibited, except >> in the event of the Applicant becoming the subject of merger and/or >> acquisition proceedings, or where such transfer is effected in compliance >> with adopted policies;* >> >> Because a case may involve doing both (1) and (2) in 6d (viii), I believe >> (1) should read (just for the sake of reducing legal maneuvering space for >> an offender): >> (1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, *and/or. * >> >> *6d (viii) that in the event that it commits a breach in the use of >> number resources* >> *allocated or assigned to it, it shall:* >> *(1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, or* >> *(2) return the affected number resources to AFRINIC.* >> >> Dewole. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> > > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lu On 3 October 2017 at 13:29, Adewole Ajao wrote: > Hi, > > I don't think you can remove all mention of IP address management from the > RSA *before* you have put policies in place to substitute them. > > Perhaps you (or others) could propose a set of policies that replace the > "IP address management" intentions set forth in the RSA. When those new > policies are ratified in line with the PDP, removal of IP address > management from the RSA then becomes feasible. > > Dewole. > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 at 9:29 PM Lu Heng wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> >> >> I believe there are still massive amount of IP address management item >> inside the RSA. >> >> >> >> As mentioned by a number of people, the RSA should not contain IP address >> management item. Instead, it shall simply contain legal relationship and >> AFRINIC, and allow member to financially support AFRINIC as the community's >> secretary. >> >> >> >> The example being RIPE NCC's standard service agreement: >> >> >> >> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673 >> >> >> >> There is no single word in this legal document which mentions policy >> terms like "assignment, allocation", or how you should use your IP address. >> It simply refers everything to policy in which it should be. >> >> >> >> Below are the clauses that are directly related to IP address management >> as I have read (please feel free to add if anything is missing): >> >> >> >> *4(c)(i)The Applicant hereby irrevocably:* >> >> >> >> *(i) Commits itself to using the services solely for the purpose for >> which it was requested. * >> >> >> >> *(If someone wants to transfer space, he/she is surely in valuation of >> committing himself/herself to using the service as it is the original >> purpose).* >> >> >> >> *4(c)(iv) Hereby binds itself to:* >> >> >> >> *(1) notify AFRINIC whenever its circumstances so change that it is no >> longer in need of the Internet number resources supplied or being supplied >> to it under a Registration Service Agreement;* >> >> >> >> *(2) surrender to AFRINIC within 15 days of the service of the notice at >> (iv)(1) above the Internet number resources supplied or being supplied to >> it under a Registration Service Agreement; * >> >> >> >> *(So if someone no longer needs space, they should return it to AFRINIC? >> This is in direct contradiction of the purpose of transfer policy)* >> >> >> >> *6(d)(iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those >> numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified >> in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the >> present agreement;* >> >> >> >> *(What if need base may be removed in the future just as it is in RIPE >> region, should we change RSA again?)* >> >> >> >> *1(a)(ii) requested to facilitate and maintain a meaningful bottom-up >> policy development process that allows the community at large to define >> policies and rules which would govern and regulate the allocation and >> assignment of number resources to its members; such policies are adopted in >> accordance with as defined in its Constitution;* >> >> >> >> *1(a)(v) empowered to ensure equitable, economic and efficient >> assignment/allocation of number resources to its members according to >> adopted number resources management policies;* >> >> >> >> *6(d)(vii)that a transfer of number resources from a source to a >> recipient constitutes an allocation or an assignment to the recipient* >> >> >> >> (It's also an IP management item which should not be mentioned here. >> Rather, it shall be defined in the policy. What if we change the policy and >> there is no more allocation or assignment? Shall we call everything IP >> delegation and update RSA again?) >> >> >> >> *All the above are IP address management-related items which are defined >> by policy and are subject to the change of policy. They shouldn't be >> written inside RSA; rather, they should simply be referred to policy. As >> the one Owen Delong wrote earlier:* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *This RSA is subject to the community developed consensus policies >> contained inthe consolidated policy manual which is incorporated here by >> reference. Thisagreement shall be considered amended in accordance to each >> subsequent changeto those policies and the signatories accept in advance >> all such amendmentsas determined appropriate by the consensus of the >> community and ratified bythe AfriNIC board.* >> >> >> >> One more thing, when considering the need of clarity and avoiding legal >> risk for AFRINIC: >> >> >> >> *4(b)(2) within the limits of applicable laws and/or regulations of the >> jurisdiction in which it operates.* >> >> >> >> Should we change the cause like the one in RIPE NCC's agreement: >> >> >> >> *9.4(e)if the Member fails to observe any rule of applicable law, which >> should be adhered to by the Member. The RIPE NCC shall only terminate the >> RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement for this reason if this is required by >> law or upon receipt of a court order forcing the RIPE NCC to do so.* >> >> >> >> As it is very unclear how AFRINIC will be able to determine if the >> operation is within the limit of legal boundary, such determination is >> always in the hands of court of each jurisdiction, even police cannot >> determine whether someone operates legally or not. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Lu >> >> On 3 October 2017 at 01:04, Adewole Ajao wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Alan Barrett >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Sander Steffann wrote: >>>> > Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: >>>> > >>>> >> - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or >>>> assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA that refer to >>>> allocations or assignments will automatically cover transfers as well. >>>> > >>>> > That seems fine. However section 1(c)(i) says: >>>> > >>>> >> - ?Services? may include, without limitation, an >>>> allocation/assignment or transfer of number resources. >>>> > >>>> > Depending on how someone wants to read it, that might be interpreted >>>> in a way that sets a precedent that says that transfers are not included in >>>> "allocation/assignment" by default and need to be mentioned explicitly. >>>> > >>>> > I know, I'm picking nits here, but for consistency and to avoid >>>> misinterpretations I think it would be better to either not mention "or >>>> transfers" here, or to explicitly include them in other places as well. >>>> >>>> Thanks. I think we may be able to move the idea that a transfer is a >>>> kind of allocation or assignment to the definitions in 1(c), instead of a >>>> separate clause in 6(d)(viii). >>>> >>> >>> It appears (today) under the context of application and registration >>> that transfers may be treated the same as allocations and assignments. >>> >>> However, if for some unforeseen reason, it is decided in future (under >>> some unforeseen context) that a transfer is to be treated differently from >>> allocations and assignments, the documentation may become inconsistent. I >>> would favour an explicit mention of transfers everywhere *for now* >>> (given that we do not yet know transfers as well as we know allocations and >>> assignments). >>> >>> Number/Numbering inconsistency persists in 6d (iii): >>> *6d (iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those >>> numbering resources within the ambit of the ?need? which it has justified >>> in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the >>> present agreement;* >>> >>> Consider prefixing "transfer of number resources..." in 6d (v) with the >>> word "unauthorized" or something similar. I don't think we can say >>> something is *strictly* prohibited and in the same breath say it can be >>> done under certain conditions. >>> *(v) that the transfer of number resources is strictly prohibited, >>> except in the event of the Applicant becoming the subject of merger and/or >>> acquisition proceedings, or where such transfer is effected in compliance >>> with adopted policies;* >>> >>> Because a case may involve doing both (1) and (2) in 6d (viii), I >>> believe (1) should read (just for the sake of reducing legal maneuvering >>> space for an offender): >>> (1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, *and/or. * >>> >>> *6d (viii) that in the event that it commits a breach in the use of >>> number resources* >>> *allocated or assigned to it, it shall:* >>> *(1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, or* >>> *(2) return the affected number resources to AFRINIC.* >>> >>> Dewole. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kind regards. >> Lu >> >> -- -- Kind regards. 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I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net Tue Oct 3 07:53:39 2017 From: Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net (Omo Oaiya) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:53:39 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> Message-ID: <442316C8-9D5B-4551-A596-1521EB3130D8@wacren.net> > On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng wrote: > > > > Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate how we use IP addresses. > It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it responsibility to coordinate the management of INR. Some might say this is its primary responsibility. Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. 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Some might say this > is its primary responsibility. > > Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only > mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. Your interest > in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by > proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests. > > -Omo > > > > "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some). Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't happen in the very first place, because in the bottom up process, only community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want to use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers. By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees. RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage internet resources. -- -- Kind regards. Lu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From silber.mike at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 09:02:03 2017 From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 11:02:03 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> <442316C8-9D5B-4551-A596-1521EB3130D8@wacren.net> Message-ID: Lu I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you. The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues we cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that could cause problems. The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to replace the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we agree a mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA. I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don?t think any was intended. Mike > On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng wrote: > > > > On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya > wrote: > >> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng > wrote: >> >> >> >> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate how we use IP addresses. >> > > It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it responsibility to coordinate the management of INR. Some might say this is its primary responsibility. > > Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. Your interest in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests. > > -Omo > > > > "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some). > > Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't happen in the very first place, because in the bottom up process, only community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want to use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers. > > By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees. > > RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage internet resources. > > > > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net Tue Oct 3 09:29:39 2017 From: Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net (Omo Oaiya) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:29:39 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> <442316C8-9D5B-4551-A596-1521EB3130D8@wacren.net> Message-ID: <686FFEAE-8ECB-4285-AF69-6323EDD2D77B@wacren.net> Exactly Mike. Thanks. > On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:02, Mike Silber wrote: > > Lu > > I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. > > I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you. > > The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues we cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that could cause problems. > > The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to replace the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we agree a mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA. > > I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don?t think any was intended. > > Mike > >> On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya > wrote: >> >>> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate how we use IP addresses. >>> >> >> It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it responsibility to coordinate the management of INR. Some might say this is its primary responsibility. >> >> Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. Your interest in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests. >> >> -Omo >> >> >> >> "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some). >> >> Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't happen in the very first place, because in the bottom up process, only community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want to use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers. >> >> By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees. >> >> RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage internet resources. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kind regards. >> Lu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ? Omo Oaiya CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN Mobile: +234 806 4522778, +221 784 305 224 Skype: kodion http://www.wacren.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you think that any of these texts that I pointed out has a legal reason to remain, feel free to point it out. I am not a lawyer, what I do is to point out the texts which I believe are unrelated to the legal relationship between AFRINIC and its member. Even if a certain policy text is missing, we shouldn't expect RSA to enforce a policy that doesn't exist yet. Rather, we should make a policy proposal to ratify the policy. But anyway, can we discuss specific cause here instead of arguing whether we should use RSA to manage resource? With regards. Lu On 3 October 2017 at 17:02, Mike Silber wrote: > Lu > > I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. > > I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed > (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal > agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you. > > The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues we > cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that > could cause problems. > > The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to > replace the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we > agree a mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA. > > I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don?t think any was intended. > > Mike > > On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng wrote: > > > > On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya wrote: > >> >> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng wrote: >> >> >> >> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, >> not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate >> how we use IP addresses. >> >> >> It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it >> responsibility to coordinate the management of INR. Some might say this >> is its primary responsibility. >> >> Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only >> mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. Your interest >> in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by >> proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests. >> >> -Omo >> >> >> >> "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why > must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that > contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some). > > Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this shouldn't > happen in the very first place, because in the bottom up process, only > community-developed policies are able to manage the IP address, which is > the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to decide how they want > to use and manager the very resource they are using instead of lawyers. > > By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply > ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - > but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what > lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, > you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees. > > RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they > are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. > While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members > so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage > internet resources. > > > > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > -- -- Kind regards. Lu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfolayan at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 12:32:08 2017 From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 13:32:08 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Requests and questions In-Reply-To: References: <054e0e18-ea3d-44bb-7103-622ef3152bf3@gmail.com> <8571c94d-b8ab-9a4f-3fc2-5c572acd289d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e06f09f-274d-ce29-1a55-a9a9e3014695@gmail.com> ** *Dear Mr Alston,* * Hope you are fine. Thank you for your questions and please accept my apology for the delay in responding to you. 2nd October was a Holiday here in Nigeria. Kindly find hereunder the Board's answers to your questions: 1. Can the Board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2006, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is? * As you know, AFRINIC's ?Board of Directors? is bound by Section 143 of the Companies Act "to act in good faith and in the best interests of the company". In order to do so, the Board is bound by AFRINIC?s Constitution, policies and best practices of corporate governance. You, as an ex-board member know that AFRINIC Board of directors makes effort to keep away from interfering in policy discussions as a Board, irrespective of whether it is the in-bound transfer or the bi-directional transfer or any other policy to preserve the core principle of ?bottom-up? process as indicated in AFRINIC PDP. It is not possible to assess whether there is a risk or a potential liability under the Mauritian Companies Act 2001 in the absence of a proposal about bi-directional transfers. Given that the policies for number resources are determined by the Internet Community, it is up to the Community to take the initiative to propose a bi-directional transfer policy if it believes that there is a need for such a policy. 2. Can the Board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation. * If you see a potential or real risk on AFRINIC because of the absence of the bi-directional transfer policy with regards to the Mauritius Companies Act, let us know in which part or article in the Mauritian Companies Act you feel such risks may exist for AFRINIC Ltd. The Board will ask the AFRINIC?s legal counsel to investigate it and prepare a detailed report about that risk to be published for the community. Right now, AFRINIC?s legal counsel is of the opinion that there is no current risk of the absence of such policy, in as much as the community is not approving such policy for the AFRINIC region. 3. Can the Board please investigate if the proceedings of Board Sub-Committees, under Mauritian Governance, form part of Board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. * These sub-committees report to the Board as you know in each Board meeting and any report emanating from these committees come to the Board for actions thereon. These reports are discussed during Board meetings, and such discussions form part of the Board proceedings and are minuted. The reports themselves remain internal Board documents. 4. Can the Board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian Law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed). Kindly, find the following reply from AFRINIC?s legal counsel: * The RSA is a contract between the individual member and AFRINIC. Modification thereto warrants the consent of both parties. It has always been the practice to cause amendments to the RSA to be (i) subject to public consultation (ii) community's approval. This is a very germane application of the laws of contract and there is no warrant for any investigation. In addition, please note that Article 1(b) of the Bylaws explicitly gives AFRINIC the right to change the RSA, and to terminate the services if the member does not consent to the change. 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the Board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.)The Bylaws c.) the companies Act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise to the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies / procedures/ committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. * The Board as you know constituted a committee to review existing MoU?s and report to the Board on their status, that committee has submitted their report and the board is reviewing and addressing the minor issues observed in the report. For the CPM there are two committees mentioned in the PDP section of the CPM. i) The Appeal Committee, which is already in the process of being constituted. ii) The Recall committee which is only event driven and not a standing committee will be constituted by the Board whenever required. 6. Can the Board provide this community with an explanation as to the requirements for financial transparency for organizations that AFRINIC provides funds for. * "The Board is bound by Section 143 of the Companies Act. So long as funding organizations the Board is bound to go by theses provisions. Where the Board is satisfied that it has good and reasonable cause to fund any organization, the resolution authorizing such funding will reflect same. It is not within the Board's powers to require the details of the financial management of the funded organization." That said, AFRINIC board reports to members and the community how funds are being expended during the AGMM and the same is covered in our annual report. The Board may provide more details on any specific line items from such report if requested by members. 7. The Board committed to a response on potential violations of section 143 of the companies act - can we get a time frame as to when this response will be forthcoming * The Board sought legal advice on this issue, and it does not seem that there has been any case of directors having contravened Section 143 of the Companies' Act. 8. Is the Board prepared to commit to providing this community with reports from any member of the Board attending conferences on AFRINIC's behalf as to what was done at the meeting and the advantage of having the board member there - this is simply so that we know that members money that is spent in a justifiable manner. (As a note - I am more than happy to provide this community with a full report from the RIPE trip that I took earlier this year that details exactly what was done there if so desired) * "It is the Board?s responsibility to ensure in the first place that the participation of any Board member in an event on behalf of the Board was worthwhile and that it was done in the best interest of the company. The Board has ensured that such responsibility is met. In the event that there is a significant outcome from a meeting, then the outcome will be reported to the community. Also, when there is a meeting of the Board, like the retreat or any other strategic meeting, the board does update the community and will continue to do so. 9. Is the Board prepared to publish quarterly financial reports to the community so that all financial analysis does not have to be done immediately prior to an SGMM/AGMM * "The Board is already considering this and we will start with publishing Bi-Annual Financial Report so, please watch out for the unaudited financial report for the first half of the 2017 financial year". 10. Is the Board prepared to publish minutes of the Board sub-committee meetings in line with the NCCG recommendations? * The National Code of Corporate Governance advocates transparency and the "apply and explain" principle. The Code specifies that Committees are ?a mechanism for assisting the Board and its Directors in discharging their duties through a more comprehensive evaluation of specific issues, followed by well-considered recommendations to the Board.? The Code at page (18) makes it an obligation of these sub-committees to be transparent to the Board and to practice full disclosure (to the Board). On page (19) there?s a requirement for Committee minutes to be submitted to the Board for noting. There is no obligation in the NCCG for Committee minutes to be published. The Board has no legal obligations to do so under the Companies' Act either. Also the Board Audit and Finance Sub-committees report and present their work to the community during the AGMM, and the floor is open for members/community questions Best Regards, Sunday Folayan Chair, AFRINIC BoD * On 24/09/2017 20:07, Sunday Folayan wrote: > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> >> Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the original >> expiry date 10 days ago? >> >> Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? but >> after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to >> request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to give >> specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed >> to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a date please >> >> Andrew >> >> *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 >> *To:* Andrew Alston >> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; >> AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> >> The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> >> I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> >> With kind regards ... >> >> Sunday Folayan. >> >> On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> >> Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> >> It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community >> based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to >> reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions >> ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation >> to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when >> questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be >> met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> >> I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a >> commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames >> here ? it was the board who promised such. >> >> Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this >> community that are clearly stated below? >> >> Andrew >> >> *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 >> *To:* Sunday Folayan >> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> >> ; AFRINIC Board of >> Directors' List >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> >> As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 >> days ? this is now 3 days overdue. >> >> Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was >> made will be met? >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 >> *To:* Andrew Alston > > >> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > >; AFRINIC Board of >> Directors' List > >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> >> The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> >> Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> >> Dear AfriNIC Board, >> >> I have been advised that when I had questions or request, >> that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following >> are a list of requests >> >> 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into >> whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts >> AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius >> Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly >> what the potential liability is. >> 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to >> commence such an investigation, and once said >> investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time >> frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded >> advise the community of the full results of said >> investigation >> 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of >> board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form >> part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the >> community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be >> published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of >> board meetings. >> 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the >> limits that the RSA can be modified without member >> consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the >> community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> contract be changed without the consent of both parties, >> to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already >> signed) >> 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members >> list requesting the board to check if any procedures and >> policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a >> signatory are missing, can the board please investigate >> if there are any policies, procedures or committees that >> are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the >> companies act d.) any other source which binds the >> company and advise the community of a.) the time frames >> to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the >> full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees >> and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. >> >> I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Andrew Alston >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> Managing Director >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at afrinic.net > https://board-list.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/board -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Tue Oct 3 12:54:46 2017 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:54:46 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Requests and questions In-Reply-To: <7e06f09f-274d-ce29-1a55-a9a9e3014695@gmail.com> References: <054e0e18-ea3d-44bb-7103-622ef3152bf3@gmail.com> <8571c94d-b8ab-9a4f-3fc2-5c572acd289d@gmail.com> <7e06f09f-274d-ce29-1a55-a9a9e3014695@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sunday, While I will need to take some time to digest these responses - I do have some initial comments. Firstly - and I apologise for this - I made an error in my request so this may be partially my mistake- what I should have said was not the companies act - but the competitions act of 2007. And - the same question still applies. The board are the owners of the company - the board holds the fiduciary duty - and the board holds liability. The board is now facing a direct question of if the company is in violation of the competitions act - and to investigate it. The PDP and the policies - have no foundation in law beyond the bylaws - and I believe it is an EXTREMELY legally dubious assertion that the board can refuse to investigate the companies legal liability in the face of potential violation of the law by a referral to policy and the companies bylaws. It is really simple - a companies bylaws are subservient to the governing law of the country in which the company is domiciled. It is not possible to create a document that places the company above the relevant legisilation. So - let me try again - and I will put these questions more bluntly: 1. The competitions act of 2007, section 41.1 sub section b lists the criteria for what are defined as horizontal agreements - and since the definition of the a company in the context of the act makes it clear that the agreement can be between entities both domiciled in Mauritius and globally - I would ask how the division of regions by the ICP-2 and the practice of not allowing the free transfer of space to a competitive entity does not fall foul of this 2. Yes - in the case of section 41 - that refers to agreements that are collusive in nature - however - even if said agreements are deemed to be non-collusive - I cannot see how they do not fall foul of section 44.b 3. It is clear that AfriNIC falls under the definition of a monopoly as per section 46.1.a 4. I would like to understand why from AfriNIC's perspective considering the definition in 46.1.a they do not fall subject to clause 46.2.a and 46.2.b when they have no transfer policy that allows entities to choose another RIR Effectively - what I am saying is this - the board has the power to implement policy - since the board owns the company - to the extent that the board even holds the power to change the bylaws to give themselves this power. The board are the members - the community from everything I can see has zero recognition in law. As such - if the company - and the board - is acting in a manner that is in direct violation of anti-trust legislation - the duty is on the board to rectify this situation or be held accountable. The board cannot hide behind the community when they hold the fiduciary accountability for the functioning of the company. As such - again - I ask you - will you commission an investigation into this - or is this board telling this community that in the face of questions about potentially operating outside of the bounds of the law - the board is wilfully choosing not to investigate and hence - violate their fiduciary duty as defined in the companies act. I will comment more on the rest of the responses at a later point. Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 15:32 To: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List ; Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Board-Discuss] [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Hope you are fine. Thank you for your questions and please accept my apology for the delay in responding to you. 2nd October was a Holiday here in Nigeria. Kindly find hereunder the Board's answers to your questions: 1. Can the Board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2006, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is? * As you know, AFRINIC's 'Board of Directors' is bound by Section 143 of the Companies Act "to act in good faith and in the best interests of the company". In order to do so, the Board is bound by AFRINIC's Constitution, policies and best practices of corporate governance. You, as an ex-board member know that AFRINIC Board of directors makes effort to keep away from interfering in policy discussions as a Board, irrespective of whether it is the in-bound transfer or the bi-directional transfer or any other policy to preserve the core principle of "bottom-up" process as indicated in AFRINIC PDP. It is not possible to assess whether there is a risk or a potential liability under the Mauritian Companies Act 2001 in the absence of a proposal about bi-directional transfers. Given that the policies for number resources are determined by the Internet Community, it is up to the Community to take the initiative to propose a bi-directional transfer policy if it believes that there is a need for such a policy. 2. Can the Board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation. * If you see a potential or real risk on AFRINIC because of the absence of the bi-directional transfer policy with regards to the Mauritius Companies Act, let us know in which part or article in the Mauritian Companies Act you feel such risks may exist for AFRINIC Ltd. The Board will ask the AFRINIC's legal counsel to investigate it and prepare a detailed report about that risk to be published for the community. Right now, AFRINIC's legal counsel is of the opinion that there is no current risk of the absence of such policy, in as much as the community is not approving such policy for the AFRINIC region. 3. Can the Board please investigate if the proceedings of Board Sub-Committees, under Mauritian Governance, form part of Board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. * These sub-committees report to the Board as you know in each Board meeting and any report emanating from these committees come to the Board for actions thereon. These reports are discussed during Board meetings, and such discussions form part of the Board proceedings and are minuted. The reports themselves remain internal Board documents. 4. Can the Board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian Law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed). Kindly, find the following reply from AFRINIC's legal counsel: * The RSA is a contract between the individual member and AFRINIC. Modification thereto warrants the consent of both parties. It has always been the practice to cause amendments to the RSA to be (i) subject to public consultation (ii) community's approval. This is a very germane application of the laws of contract and there is no warrant for any investigation. In addition, please note that Article 1(b) of the Bylaws explicitly gives AFRINIC the right to change the RSA, and to terminate the services if the member does not consent to the change. 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the Board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.)The Bylaws c.) the companies Act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise to the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies / procedures/ committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. * The Board as you know constituted a committee to review existing MoU's and report to the Board on their status, that committee has submitted their report and the board is reviewing and addressing the minor issues observed in the report. For the CPM there are two committees mentioned in the PDP section of the CPM. i) The Appeal Committee, which is already in the process of being constituted. ii) The Recall committee which is only event driven and not a standing committee will be constituted by the Board whenever required. 6. Can the Board provide this community with an explanation as to the requirements for financial transparency for organizations that AFRINIC provides funds for. * "The Board is bound by Section 143 of the Companies Act. So long as funding organizations the Board is bound to go by theses provisions. Where the Board is satisfied that it has good and reasonable cause to fund any organization, the resolution authorizing such funding will reflect same. It is not within the Board's powers to require the details of the financial management of the funded organization." That said, AFRINIC board reports to members and the community how funds are being expended during the AGMM and the same is covered in our annual report. The Board may provide more details on any specific line items from such report if requested by members. 7. The Board committed to a response on potential violations of section 143 of the companies act - can we get a time frame as to when this response will be forthcoming * The Board sought legal advice on this issue, and it does not seem that there has been any case of directors having contravened Section 143 of the Companies' Act. 8. Is the Board prepared to commit to providing this community with reports from any member of the Board attending conferences on AFRINIC's behalf as to what was done at the meeting and the advantage of having the board member there - this is simply so that we know that members money that is spent in a justifiable manner. (As a note - I am more than happy to provide this community with a full report from the RIPE trip that I took earlier this year that details exactly what was done there if so desired) * "It is the Board's responsibility to ensure in the first place that the participation of any Board member in an event on behalf of the Board was worthwhile and that it was done in the best interest of the company. The Board has ensured that such responsibility is met. In the event that there is a significant outcome from a meeting, then the outcome will be reported to the community. Also, when there is a meeting of the Board, like the retreat or any other strategic meeting, the board does update the community and will continue to do so. 9. Is the Board prepared to publish quarterly financial reports to the community so that all financial analysis does not have to be done immediately prior to an SGMM/AGMM * "The Board is already considering this and we will start with publishing Bi-Annual Financial Report so, please watch out for the unaudited financial report for the first half of the 2017 financial year". 10. Is the Board prepared to publish minutes of the Board sub-committee meetings in line with the NCCG recommendations? * The National Code of Corporate Governance advocates transparency and the "apply and explain" principle. The Code specifies that Committees are "a mechanism for assisting the Board and its Directors in discharging their duties through a more comprehensive evaluation of specific issues, followed by well-considered recommendations to the Board." The Code at page (18) makes it an obligation of these sub-committees to be transparent to the Board and to practice full disclosure (to the Board). On page (19) there's a requirement for Committee minutes to be submitted to the Board for noting. There is no obligation in the NCCG for Committee minutes to be published. The Board has no legal obligations to do so under the Companies' Act either. Also the Board Audit and Finance Sub-committees report and present their work to the community during the AGMM, and the floor is open for members/community questions Best Regards, Sunday Folayan Chair, AFRINIC BoD On 24/09/2017 20:07, Sunday Folayan wrote: Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ board mailing list board at afrinic.net https://board-list.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/board -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Thu Oct 5 14:43:13 2017 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions In-Reply-To: References: <054e0e18-ea3d-44bb-7103-622ef3152bf3@gmail.com> <8571c94d-b8ab-9a4f-3fc2-5c572acd289d@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfolayan at gmail.com Thu Oct 5 16:41:48 2017 From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions In-Reply-To: References: <054e0e18-ea3d-44bb-7103-622ef3152bf3@gmail.com> <8571c94d-b8ab-9a4f-3fc2-5c572acd289d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71@gmail.com> Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > channel of communication for the members. > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > date please > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > are a list of requests > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > to commence such an investigation, and once said > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > concluded advise the community of the full results of > said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > be published as per the agreement to publish the > minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > signatory are missing, can the board please > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > which binds the company and advise the community of > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > to rectify these areas. > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Fri Oct 6 12:56:26 2017 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions In-Reply-To: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71@gmail.com> References: <054e0e18-ea3d-44bb-7103-622ef3152bf3@gmail.com> <8571c94d-b8ab-9a4f-3fc2-5c572acd289d@gmail.com> <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sunday, Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports. Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies. The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email: 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories) 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled. 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them. 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic. Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kutestface at gmail.com Fri Oct 6 14:29:23 2017 From: kutestface at gmail.com (kutestface at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900@gmail.com> Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria. Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag #AFRINIC27. If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. Regards, ?--? AFRINIC Fellowship t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 December 2017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks --? -- ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 From: Sunday Folayan To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > channel of communication for the members. > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > date please > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > are a list of requests > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > to commence such an investigation, and once said > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > concluded advise the community of the full results of > said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > be published as per the agreement to publish the > minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > signatory are missing, can the board please > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > which binds the company and advise the community of > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > to rectify these areas. > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ------------------------------ End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 ************************************************* From kutestface at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 12:34:55 2017 From: kutestface at gmail.com (kutestface at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:34:55 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20171008123455.5881938.58146.1909@gmail.com> Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience.. Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 (kutestface at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sunday, Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports. Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies. The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email: 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories) 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled. 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them. 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic. Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 From: kutestface at gmail.com To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria. Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag #AFRINIC27. If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. Regards, ?--? AFRINIC Fellowship t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 December 2017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks --? -- ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 From: Sunday Folayan To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > channel of communication for the members. > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > date please > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > are a list of requests > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > to commence such an investigation, and once said > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > concluded advise the community of the full results of > said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > be published as per the agreement to publish the > minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > signatory are missing, can the board please > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > which binds the company and advise the community of > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > to rectify these areas. > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ------------------------------ End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 ************************************************* ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ------------------------------ End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 ************************************************* From kutestface at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 12:37:17 2017 From: kutestface at gmail.com (kutestface at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:37:17 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience.. Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 (kutestface at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sunday, Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports. Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies. The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email: 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories) 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled. 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them. 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic. Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 From: kutestface at gmail.com To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria. Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag #AFRINIC27. If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. Regards, ?--? AFRINIC Fellowship t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 December 2017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks --? -- ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 From: Sunday Folayan To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > channel of communication for the members. > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > date please > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > are a list of requests > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > to commence such an investigation, and once said > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > concluded advise the community of the full results of > said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > be published as per the agreement to publish the > minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > signatory are missing, can the board please > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > which binds the company and advise the community of > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > to rectify these areas. > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ------------------------------ End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 ************************************************* ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ------------------------------ End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 ************************************************* From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Mon Oct 9 04:32:13 2017 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 04:32:13 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately ? it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our elected representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are extremely delayed. I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular board travel) in the next release of the financials ? because I?m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from. I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money ? that query ? never got answered either ? and I?m not holding my breath. I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the ballot ? maybe that voice will get heard ? though I suspect that the entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the election and we?ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes? same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they need your votes again?. Andrew From: "kutestface at gmail.com" Date: Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 To: "community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" , "community-discuss at afrinic.net" Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience.. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 (kutestface at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sunday, Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports. Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies. The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email: 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories) 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled. 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them. 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic. Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 From: kutestface at gmail.com To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria. Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag #AFRINIC27. If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. Regards, ?--? AFRINIC Fellowship t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 December 2017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks --? -- ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 From: Sunday Folayan To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > channel of communication for the members. > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > date please > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > are a list of requests > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > to commence such an investigation, and once said > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > concluded advise the community of the full results of > said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > be published as per the agreement to publish the > minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > signatory are missing, can the board please > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > which binds the company and advise the community of > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > to rectify these areas. > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alan.barrett at afrinic.net Mon Oct 9 06:03:33 2017 From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:03:33 +0400 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900@gmail.com> References: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On 6 Oct 2017, at 18:29, kutestface at gmail.com wrote: > > Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: > > Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. Your mail in 27 September was asking about the list of fellowship winners. That information was published on 29 September at . If you still have questions, please send your message to fellowship at afrinic.net. Alan Barrett From akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng Mon Oct 9 07:40:05 2017 From: akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng (Timothy Ola Akinfenwa) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 08:40:05 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Andrew, While I am not speaking for or on behalf of the Board, I think your assertion and position on this matter is rather too harsh and suspicious. You piled a heap of questions for the Board members forgetting they also have lives outside AFRINIC. The chairman reliably informed you of how he has been moving around for sponsorship to host the next meeting. I find it absurd that all of a sudden you want a lot of questions answered, you want complete transparency, you want undivided attention and commitment from Board members, asking for this and that from a board you were actually part of less than 6 months ago? A board you narrowly missed being re-elected into? *For all the good your intention is worth*, I think you should change your approach to this fact-finding course of yours else someone like me begin to think you are only out to witch-hunt the Board. This can't just be mere coincidence please. My concern is that why didn't you attempt to seek all these clarifications when you were part of the Board? Now you are comparing our Board members to politicians? I find this derogatory IMHO and I think your actions if not checked may spell doom for this community. Cheers On Oct 9, 2017 5:34 AM, "Andrew Alston" wrote: > Unfortunately ? it seems we are having in an era of silence these days > from our elected representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are > extremely delayed. > > > > I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in > particular board travel) in the next release of the financials ? because > I?m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because > the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen > any feedback or reports from. > > > > I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a > community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money ? > that query ? never got answered either ? and I?m not holding my breath. > > > > I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with > the ballot ? maybe that voice will get heard ? though I suspect that the > entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the > election and we?ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for > votes? same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after > elections until the time they need your votes again?. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > *From: *"kutestface at gmail.com" > *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 > *To: *"community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" < > community-discuss at afrinic.net>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net" < > community-discuss at afrinic.net> > *Subject: *[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification > > > > Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on > Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. > You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have > conscience.. > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 > > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) > 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > (kutestface at gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 > From: Andrew Alston > To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of > AFRINIC > Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: > eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Sunday, > > Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await > regular progress reports. > > Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was > referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. > > I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly > and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I > got replies. > > The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email > and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of > that email: > > > 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members > are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries > (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and > another registry in certain categories) > 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts > AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions > act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain > using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members > have no control over > 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to > inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of > AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy > 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not > grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of > the law in the area in which it is domiciled. > 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power > implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - > as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - > the power DOES reside with them. > 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of > resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is > already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear > insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a > TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or > lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. > > Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have > never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be > tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the > way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this > policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy > afrinic. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the > Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in > November, without access to the Internet. > > On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation > into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy > had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we > could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer > for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's > appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that > you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help > the Board maximize the use of her time in future. > > Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the > implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, > with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 > October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation > will take. > > Kind Regards .. > > Sunday. > > On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and > the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - > publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive > to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct > violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must > disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the > Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication > for the members. > > Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and > all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of > the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but > then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence > registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road > before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort > to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe > it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this > communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board > member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom > up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss > the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - > get elected - and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original > expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after > you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the > extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly > when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any > ambiguity here - can we have a date please > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based > organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to > this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline > they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for > answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and > it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board > who promised such. > > Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community > that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - > this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will > be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them > in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack > of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul > of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what > the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such > an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise > on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded > advise the community of the full results of said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board > sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, > and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings > shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board > meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that > the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian > law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment > of one, irrespective of what is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting > the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to > which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate > if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by > a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which > binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to > complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of > outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to > rectify these areas. > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171006/2404a012/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 > From: kutestface at gmail.com > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, > Issue 1 > Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written > earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of > December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: > > Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed > from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I > got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't > been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I > await a favorable reply/response. > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: > Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as > published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th > September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check > - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ > I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. > > Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? > > On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like > to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos > - Nigeria. > > Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you > can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING > > You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 > via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and > on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag > #AFRINIC27. > > If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists > > For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. > > Regards, > > ?--? > AFRINIC Fellowship > t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net > facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------------------------- > Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 > December 2017 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------------------------- > > May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected > amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks > > --? > -- > > > ? > Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. > ? Original Message ? > From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) > 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 > From: Andrew Alston > To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan > > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: > eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and > the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - > publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive > to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct > violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must > disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the > Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication > for the members. > > Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and > all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of > the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but > then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence > registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road > before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort > to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe > it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this > communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board > member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom > up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss > the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - > get elected - and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original > expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after > you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the > extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly > when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any > ambiguity here - can we have a date please > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based > organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to > this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline > they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for > answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and > it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board > who promised such. > > Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community > that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - > this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will > be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them > in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack > of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul > of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what > the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such > an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise > on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded > advise the community of the full results of said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board > sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, > and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings > shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board > meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that > the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian > law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment > of one, irrespective of what is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting > the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to > which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate > if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by > a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which > binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to > complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of > outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to > rectify these areas. > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171005/83467022/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 > From: Sunday Folayan > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > Dear Mr Alston, > > I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from > the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting > in November, without access to the Internet. > > > On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation > into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer > policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied > that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could > not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't > think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now > clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We > hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. > > Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the > implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, > with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 > October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the > investigation will take. > > Kind Regards .. > > Sunday. > > > On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear Board, > > > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > > channel of communication for the members. > > > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > > responsibilities as a board? > > > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > > List > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > 2nd October 2017. > > > > Thanks and Regards ... > > > > Sunday. > > > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > > date please > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > ; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > > > With kind regards ... > > > > Sunday Folayan. > > > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > > community that are clearly stated below? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > ; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > > was made will be met? > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > >; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > > > Regards ... > > > > Sunday. > > > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > > are a list of requests > > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > > what the potential liability is. > > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > > to commence such an investigation, and once said > > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > > concluded advise the community of the full results of > > said investigation > > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > > be published as per the agreement to publish the > > minutes of board meetings. > > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > > contract be changed without the consent of both > > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > > is already signed) > > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > > signatory are missing, can the board please > > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > > which binds the company and advise the community of > > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > > to rectify these areas. > > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > > > Managing Director > > > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , > sfolayan at gmail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > > > Managing Director > > > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , > sfolayan at gmail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171005/8bf7af6f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > ************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 > ************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng Mon Oct 9 07:57:52 2017 From: akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng (Timothy Ola Akinfenwa) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 08:57:52 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: <20171009051452.5881938.62759.1914@gmail.com> References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> <20171009051452.5881938.62759.1914@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear kutestface, I think one of the mails meant something like since you are Nigerian and the next meeting will be in Lagos, you should just register to attend the meeting. My guess is host countries are not considered for sponsorships, if that is correct. Best Regards, Timothy On Oct 9, 2017 6:15 AM, wrote: > Hi Andrew, thanks for your mail/response. It is quite unfortunate and > indeed well. Till then, most of them forget too that they'd have to give > account of all before the God Almighty..... > > Do have a nice day. > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > *From: *Andrew Alston > *Sent: *Monday, 9 October 2017 05:32 > *To: *kutestface at gmail.com; community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification > > Unfortunately ? it seems we are having in an era of silence these days > from our elected representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are > extremely delayed. > > > > I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in > particular board travel) in the next release of the financials ? because > I?m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because > the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen > any feedback or reports from. > > > > I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a > community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money ? > that query ? never got answered either ? and I?m not holding my breath. > > > > I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with > the ballot ? maybe that voice will get heard ? though I suspect that the > entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the > election and we?ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for > votes? same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after > elections until the time they need your votes again?. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > *From: *"kutestface at gmail.com" > *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 > *To: *"community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" < > community-discuss at afrinic.net>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net" < > community-discuss at afrinic.net> > *Subject: *[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification > > > > Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on > Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. > You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have > conscience.. > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 > > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) > 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > (kutestface at gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 > From: Andrew Alston > To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of > AFRINIC > Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: > eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Sunday, > > Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await > regular progress reports. > > Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was > referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. > > I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly > and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I > got replies. > > The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email > and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of > that email: > > > 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members > are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries > (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and > another registry in certain categories) > 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts > AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions > act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain > using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members > have no control over > 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to > inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of > AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy > 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not > grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of > the law in the area in which it is domiciled. > 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power > implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - > as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - > the power DOES reside with them. > 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of > resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is > already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear > insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a > TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or > lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. > > Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have > never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be > tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the > way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this > policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy > afrinic. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the > Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in > November, without access to the Internet. > > On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation > into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy > had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we > could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer > for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's > appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that > you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help > the Board maximize the use of her time in future. > > Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the > implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, > with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 > October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation > will take. > > Kind Regards .. > > Sunday. > > On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and > the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - > publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive > to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct > violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must > disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the > Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication > for the members. > > Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and > all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of > the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but > then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence > registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road > before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort > to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe > it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this > communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board > member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom > up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss > the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - > get elected - and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original > expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after > you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the > extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly > when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any > ambiguity here - can we have a date please > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based > organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to > this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline > they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for > answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and > it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board > who promised such. > > Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community > that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - > this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will > be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them > in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack > of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul > of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what > the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such > an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise > on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded > advise the community of the full results of said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board > sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, > and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings > shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board > meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that > the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian > law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment > of one, irrespective of what is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting > the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to > which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate > if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by > a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which > binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to > complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of > outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to > rectify these areas. > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171006/2404a012/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 > From: kutestface at gmail.com > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, > Issue 1 > Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written > earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of > December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: > > Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed > from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I > got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't > been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I > await a favorable reply/response. > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: > Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as > published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th > September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check > - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ > I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. > > Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? > > On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like > to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos > - Nigeria. > > Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you > can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING > > You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 > via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and > on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag > #AFRINIC27. > > If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists > > For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. > > Regards, > > ?--? > AFRINIC Fellowship > t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net > facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------------------------- > Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 > December 2017 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------------------------- > > May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected > amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks > > --? > -- > > > ? > Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. > ? Original Message ? > From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) > 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 > From: Andrew Alston > To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan > > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: > eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and > the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - > publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive > to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct > violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must > disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the > Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication > for the members. > > Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and > all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of > the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but > then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence > registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road > before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort > to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe > it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this > communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board > member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom > up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss > the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - > get elected - and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original > expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after > you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the > extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly > when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any > ambiguity here - can we have a date please > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based > organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to > this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline > they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for > answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and > it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board > who promised such. > > Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community > that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 > To: Sunday Folayan > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - > this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will > be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 > To: Andrew Alston liquidtelecom.com>> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < > board at afrinic.net> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them > in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack > of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul > of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what > the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such > an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise > on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded > advise the community of the full results of said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board > sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, > and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings > shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board > meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that > the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian > law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment > of one, irrespective of what is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting > the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to > which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate > if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by > a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which > binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to > complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of > outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to > rectify these areas. > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171005/83467022/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 > From: Sunday Folayan > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > Dear Mr Alston, > > I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from > the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting > in November, without access to the Internet. > > > On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation > into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer > policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied > that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could > not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't > think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now > clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We > hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. > > Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the > implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, > with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 > October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the > investigation will take. > > Kind Regards .. > > Sunday. > > > On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear Board, > > > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > > channel of communication for the members. > > > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > > responsibilities as a board? > > > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > > List > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > 2nd October 2017. > > > > Thanks and Regards ... > > > > Sunday. > > > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > > date please > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > ; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > > > With kind regards ... > > > > Sunday Folayan. > > > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > > community that are clearly stated below? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > ; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > > was made will be met? > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > >; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > > > Regards ... > > > > Sunday. > > > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > > are a list of requests > > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > > what the potential liability is. > > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > > to commence such an investigation, and once said > > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > > concluded advise the community of the full results of > > said investigation > > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > > be published as per the agreement to publish the > > minutes of board meetings. > > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > > contract be changed without the consent of both > > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > > is already signed) > > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > > signatory are missing, can the board please > > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > > which binds the company and advise the community of > > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > > to rectify these areas. > > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > > > Managing Director > > > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , > sfolayan at gmail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > > > Managing Director > > > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , > sfolayan at gmail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , > sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171005/8bf7af6f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > ************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 > ************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com Mon Oct 9 08:18:15 2017 From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (S Moonesamy) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 01:18:15 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20171009005737.11e90680@elandnews.com> Hi Andrew, At 09:32 PM 08-10-2017, Andrew Alston wrote: >Unfortunately ? it seems we are havingg in an >era of silence these days from our elected >representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are extrxtremely delayed. I am okay to answer questions as long as they are within the boundaries of the legal obligations which I have to follow. >I really am curious to see the amount of money >spent on travel (in particular board travel) in >the next release of the financials ? because I'm >interested if there is so little time tto answer >the community because the board members are busy >flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from. > >I asked on this list before if the board would >consent to providing a community report for each >board trip taken and paid for with our money ? >that query ? never got answeredred either ? and I'm not holding my breath. I attended the last ICANN meeting in South Africa and an ISOC event in Flic-en-Flac (Mauritius) as a Board member. Please see the reply to Question 8 in the message at https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2017-October/001727.html Regards, S. Moonesamy From kutestface at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 08:56:51 2017 From: kutestface at gmail.com (kutestface at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:56:51 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> <20171009051452.5881938.62759.1914@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20171009085651.5881938.65365.1924@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen at delong.com Tue Oct 10 22:50:30 2017 From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:50:30 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C4D480B-0892-4EF4-9DD7-019E2F35DFB6@delong.com> I think, perhaps, Andrew believes that there are real problems facing AfriNIC and the AfriNIC community and, rather than accusing him of a witch hunt, I suspect he is asking for increased transparency and information on behalf of the community in the interests of making those problems more visible in the hopes they can be addressed before festering into something much worse. I applaud his efforts in this area. Remember, as a board member and now as a former board member, he is bound by NDA not to publicly discuss privileged information he knows from his time on the board. However, that does not preclude him from asking questions as a member of the community if he feels that some fraction of that information should be made available to the community rather than being held in privilege. I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is managing resources on behalf of a community and serving as that community?s representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF, etc.) should be as transparent in all of its processes and dealings as possible. This means, IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate need for confidentiality (legal strategies in active litigation, staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), information should generally be made available to the community by default. IMHO, the fact that the board publishes the minutes of board meetings, but not those of subcommittees is an unfortunate and inappropriate workaround against transparency and I encourage the board to rectify this situation forthwith. Owen > On Oct 9, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa wrote: > > Dear Andrew, > While I am not speaking for or on behalf of the Board, I think your assertion and position on this matter is rather too harsh and suspicious. > > You piled a heap of questions for the Board members forgetting they also have lives outside AFRINIC. The chairman reliably informed you of how he has been moving around for sponsorship to host the next meeting. I find it absurd that all of a sudden you want a lot of questions answered, you want complete transparency, you want undivided attention and commitment from Board members, asking for this and that from a board you were actually part of less than 6 months ago? A board you narrowly missed being re-elected into? > > For all the good your intention is worth, I think you should change your approach to this fact-finding course of yours else someone like me begin to think you are only out to witch-hunt the Board. This can't just be mere coincidence please. > > My concern is that why didn't you attempt to seek all these clarifications when you were part of the Board? > > Now you are comparing our Board members to politicians? I find this derogatory IMHO and I think your actions if not checked may spell doom for this community. > > Cheers > > On Oct 9, 2017 5:34 AM, "Andrew Alston" > wrote: > Unfortunately ? it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our elected representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are extremely delayed. > > > > I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular board travel) in the next release of the financials ? because I?m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from. > > > > I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money ? that query ? never got answered either ? and I?m not holding my breath. > > > > I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the ballot ? maybe that voice will get heard ? though I suspect that the entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the election and we?ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes? same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they need your votes again?. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > From: "kutestface at gmail.com " > > Date: Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 > To: "community-discuss-request at afrinic.net " >, "community-discuss at afrinic.net " > > Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification > > > > Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience.. > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 > > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) > 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > (kutestface at gmail.com ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 > From: Andrew Alston > > To: Sunday Folayan >, General Discussions of > AFRINIC > > Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Sunday, > > Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports. > > Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. > > I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies. > > The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email: > > > 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories) > 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over > 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy > 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled. > 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them. > 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. > > Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > > Cc: Andrew Alston >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. > > On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. > > Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. > > Kind Regards .. > > Sunday. > > On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com ] > Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 > To: Sunday Folayan >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. > > Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 > To: Andrew Alston >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 > To: Andrew Alston >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com ] > Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 > To: Sunday Folayan >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 > To: Andrew Alston >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 > From: kutestface at gmail.com > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, > Issue 1 > Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: > > Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih > wrote: > Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ > I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. > > Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? > > On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria. > > Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING > > You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic ) and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic ). We are using the hashtag #AFRINIC27. > > If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists > > For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net . > > Regards, > > ?--? > AFRINIC Fellowship > t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net > facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 December 2017 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks > > --? > -- > > > ? > Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. > ? Original Message ? > From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 > To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net > Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > > Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to > community-discuss at afrinic.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > community-discuss-request at afrinic.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) > 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 > From: Andrew Alston > > To: Andrew Alston >, Sunday Folayan > > > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >, > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com ] > Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 > To: Sunday Folayan > > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. > > Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 > To: Andrew Alston >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 > To: Andrew Alston >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > > From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com ] > Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 > To: Sunday Folayan >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 > To: Andrew Alston >> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >, sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 > From: Sunday Folayan > > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > > Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > Dear Mr Alston, > > I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from > the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting > in November, without access to the Internet. > > > On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation > into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer > policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied > that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could > not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't > think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now > clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We > hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. > > Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the > implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, > with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 > October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the > investigation will take. > > Kind Regards .. > > Sunday. > > > On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear Board, > > > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com ] > > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; > > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > > channel of communication for the members. > > > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > > responsibilities as a board? > > > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > >> > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > >>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > > List >> > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > 2nd October 2017. > > > > Thanks and Regards ... > > > > Sunday. > > > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > > date please > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > > >; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > > > With kind regards ... > > > > Sunday Folayan. > > > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > > community that are clearly stated below? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com ] > > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > > > > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > > >; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > > was made will be met? > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com ] > > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > > *To:* Andrew Alston > > >> > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > > > >>; AFRINIC Board of > > Directors' List >> > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > > > Dear Mr Alston, > > > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > > > Regards ... > > > > Sunday. > > > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > > are a list of requests > > > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > > what the potential liability is. > > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > > to commence such an investigation, and once said > > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > > concluded advise the community of the full results of > > said investigation > > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > > be published as per the agreement to publish the > > minutes of board meetings. > > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > > contract be changed without the consent of both > > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > > is already signed) > > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > > signatory are missing, can the board please > > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > > which binds the company and advise the community of > > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > > to rectify these areas. > > > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Andrew Alston > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > > > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > > > Managing Director > > > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >,sfolayan at gmail.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > > > Managing Director > > > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >,sfolayan at gmail.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng >,sfolayan at gmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 > ************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 > ************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ali at hussein.me.ke Wed Oct 11 01:38:31 2017 From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 04:38:31 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: <3C4D480B-0892-4EF4-9DD7-019E2F35DFB6@delong.com> References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> <3C4D480B-0892-4EF4-9DD7-019E2F35DFB6@delong.com> Message-ID: Owen I'd agree with you on the issue of transparency. I would request the following so that this doesn't look like a witch hunt. Depending on how the Corporate Charter says that members then move a substantive motion during the next AGM to discuss issues of transparency, Corporate Governance and what the Board can and cannot share. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I think, perhaps, Andrew believes that there are real problems facing > AfriNIC and the AfriNIC community and, rather than accusing him of a witch > hunt, I suspect he is asking for increased transparency and information on > behalf of the community in the interests of making those problems more > visible in the hopes they can be addressed before festering into something > much worse. I applaud his efforts in this area. > > Remember, as a board member and now as a former board member, he is bound > by NDA not to publicly discuss privileged information he knows from his > time on the board. However, that does not preclude him from asking > questions as a member of the community if he feels that some fraction of > that information should be made available to the community rather than > being held in privilege. > > I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is managing > resources on behalf of a community and serving as that community?s > representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF, etc.) should be as > transparent in all of its processes and dealings as possible. This means, > IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate need for confidentiality (legal > strategies in active litigation, staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), > information should generally be made available to the community by default. > > IMHO, the fact that the board publishes the minutes of board meetings, but > not those of subcommittees is an unfortunate and inappropriate workaround > against transparency and I encourage the board to rectify this situation > forthwith. > > Owen > > On Oct 9, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa < > akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng> wrote: > > Dear Andrew, > While I am not speaking for or on behalf of the Board, I think your > assertion and position on this matter is rather too harsh and suspicious. > > You piled a heap of questions for the Board members forgetting they also > have lives outside AFRINIC. The chairman reliably informed you of how he > has been moving around for sponsorship to host the next meeting. I find it > absurd that all of a sudden you want a lot of questions answered, you want > complete transparency, you want undivided attention and commitment from > Board members, asking for this and that from a board you were actually part > of less than 6 months ago? A board you narrowly missed being re-elected > into? > > *For all the good your intention is worth*, I think you should change > your approach to this fact-finding course of yours else someone like me > begin to think you are only out to witch-hunt the Board. This can't just be > mere coincidence please. > > My concern is that why didn't you attempt to seek all these clarifications > when you were part of the Board? > > Now you are comparing our Board members to politicians? I find this > derogatory IMHO and I think your actions if not checked may spell doom for > this community. > > Cheers > > On Oct 9, 2017 5:34 AM, "Andrew Alston" > wrote: > >> Unfortunately ? it seems we are having in an era of silence these days >> from our elected representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are >> extremely delayed. >> >> >> >> I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in >> particular board travel) in the next release of the financials ? because >> I?m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because >> the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen >> any feedback or reports from. >> >> >> >> I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a >> community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money ? >> that query ? never got answered either ? and I?m not holding my breath. >> >> >> >> I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with >> the ballot ? maybe that voice will get heard ? though I suspect that the >> entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the >> election and we?ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for >> votes? same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after >> elections until the time they need your votes again?. >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *"kutestface at gmail.com" >> *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 >> *To: *"community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" < >> community-discuss at afrinic.net>, "community-discuss at afrinic.net" < >> community-discuss at afrinic.net> >> *Subject: *[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification >> >> >> >> Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on >> Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. >> You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have >> conscience.. >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. >> Original Message >> From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 >> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 >> >> Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> community-discuss at afrinic.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) >> 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 >> (kutestface at gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 >> From: Andrew Alston >> To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of >> AFRINIC >> Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> Message-ID: >> > 03.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Sunday, >> >> Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await >> regular progress reports. >> >> Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was >> referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. >> >> I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which >> clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to >> which I got replies. >> >> The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email >> and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of >> that email: >> >> >> 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members >> are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries >> (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and >> another registry in certain categories) >> 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts >> AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions >> act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain >> using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members >> have no control over >> 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to >> inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of >> AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy >> 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not >> grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of >> the law in the area in which it is domiciled. >> 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power >> implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - >> as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - >> the power DOES reside with them. >> 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation >> of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that >> is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be >> shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either >> spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be >> justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell >> out. >> >> Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have >> never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be >> tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the >> way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this >> policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy >> afrinic. >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 >> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of >> Directors' List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from >> the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in >> November, without access to the Internet. >> >> On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation >> into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy >> had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we >> could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer >> for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's >> appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that >> you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help >> the Board maximize the use of her time in future. >> >> Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the >> implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, >> with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 >> October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation >> will take. >> >> Kind Regards .. >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear Board, >> >> Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 >> To: Sunday Folayan >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Board, Sunday, >> >> I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? >> >> I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and >> the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - >> publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. >> >> I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since >> committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive >> to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct >> violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must >> disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the >> Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication >> for the members. >> >> Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your >> commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and >> all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of >> the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but >> then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence >> registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road >> before as well. >> >> Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and >> effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them >> - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this >> communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board >> member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? >> >> It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that >> lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom >> up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss >> the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. >> >> If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward >> - get elected - and take the job. >> >> Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) >> >> Andrew >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 >> To: Andrew Alston > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> board at afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> 2nd October 2017. >> >> Thanks and Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original >> expiry date 10 days ago? >> >> Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after >> you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the >> extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly >> when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any >> ambiguity here - can we have a date please >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 >> To: Andrew Alston > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> >> The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> >> I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> >> With kind regards ... >> >> Sunday Folayan. >> On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> >> It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based >> organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to >> this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline >> they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for >> answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the >> board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> >> I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, >> and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the >> board who promised such. >> >> Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community >> that are clearly stated below? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 >> To: Sunday Folayan >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> >> As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - >> this is now 3 days overdue. >> >> Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made >> will be met? >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 >> To: Andrew Alston > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> board at afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> >> The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> >> Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear AfriNIC Board, >> >> I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them >> in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests >> >> >> 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack >> of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul >> of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what >> the potential liability is. >> 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such >> an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise >> on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded >> advise the community of the full results of said investigation >> 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board >> sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, >> and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings >> shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board >> meetings. >> 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that >> the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian >> law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment >> of one, irrespective of what is already signed) >> 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting >> the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to >> which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate >> if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by >> a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which >> binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to >> complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of >> outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to >> rectify these areas. >> >> >> I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Andrew Alston >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > hments/20171006/2404a012/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 >> From: kutestface at gmail.com >> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, >> Issue 1 >> Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had >> written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and >> 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: >> >> Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed >> from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I >> got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't >> been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I >> await a favorable reply/response. >> >> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: >> Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as >> published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th >> September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check >> - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ >> I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. >> >> Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? >> >> On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like >> to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos >> - Nigeria. >> >> Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you >> can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING >> >> You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 >> via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) >> and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag >> #AFRINIC27. >> >> If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to >> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists >> >> For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. >> >> Regards, >> >> ?--? >> AFRINIC Fellowship >> t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net >> facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------------------------------- >> Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 >> December 2017 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected >> amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks >> >> --? >> -- >> >> >> ? >> Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. >> ? Original Message ? >> From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 >> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 >> >> Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> community-discuss at afrinic.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> community-discuss-request at afrinic.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) >> 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 >> From: Andrew Alston >> To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan >> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , >> AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> Message-ID: >> > 03.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Dear Board, >> >> Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 >> To: Sunday Folayan >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; >> AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Board, Sunday, >> >> I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? >> >> I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and >> the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - >> publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. >> >> I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since >> committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive >> to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct >> violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must >> disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the >> Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication >> for the members. >> >> Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your >> commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and >> all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of >> the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but >> then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence >> registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road >> before as well. >> >> Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and >> effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them >> - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this >> communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board >> member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? >> >> It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that >> lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom >> up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss >> the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. >> >> If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward >> - get elected - and take the job. >> >> Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) >> >> Andrew >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 >> To: Andrew Alston > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> board at afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> 2nd October 2017. >> >> Thanks and Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original >> expiry date 10 days ago? >> >> Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after >> you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the >> extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly >> when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any >> ambiguity here - can we have a date please >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 >> To: Andrew Alston > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> >> The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> >> I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> >> With kind regards ... >> >> Sunday Folayan. >> On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> >> It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based >> organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to >> this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline >> they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for >> answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the >> board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> >> I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, >> and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the >> board who promised such. >> >> Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community >> that are clearly stated below? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 >> To: Sunday Folayan >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> >> As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - >> this is now 3 days overdue. >> >> Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made >> will be met? >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 >> To: Andrew Alston > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > community-discuss at afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> board at afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> >> The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> >> Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear AfriNIC Board, >> >> I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them >> in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests >> >> >> 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack >> of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul >> of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what >> the potential liability is. >> 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such >> an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise >> on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded >> advise the community of the full results of said investigation >> 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board >> sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, >> and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings >> shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board >> meetings. >> 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that >> the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian >> law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment >> of one, irrespective of what is already signed) >> 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting >> the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to >> which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate >> if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by >> a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which >> binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to >> complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of >> outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to >> rectify these areas. >> >> >> I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Andrew Alston >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > hments/20171005/83467022/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 >> From: Sunday Folayan >> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from >> the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting >> in November, without access to the Internet. >> >> >> On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation >> into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer >> policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied >> that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could >> not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't >> think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now >> clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We >> hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. >> >> Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the >> implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, >> with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 >> October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the >> investigation will take. >> >> Kind Regards .. >> >> Sunday. >> >> >> On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Dear Board, >> > >> > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 >> > *To:* Sunday Folayan >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; >> > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Board, Sunday, >> > >> > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? >> > >> > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, >> > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice >> > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. >> > >> > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since >> > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not >> > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this >> > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this >> > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters >> > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central >> > channel of communication for the members. >> > >> > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your >> > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses >> > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant >> > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in >> > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to >> > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely >> > appear ? been down that road before as well. >> > >> > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and >> > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made >> > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of >> > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week >> > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your >> > responsibilities as a board? >> > >> > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that >> > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the >> > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community >> > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. >> > >> > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name >> > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. >> > >> > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 >> > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> > List > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Mr Alston, >> > >> > 2nd October 2017. >> > >> > Thanks and Regards ... >> > >> > Sunday. >> > >> > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the >> > original expiry date 10 days ago? >> > >> > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? >> > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 >> > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to >> > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you >> > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a >> > date please >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 >> > *To:* Andrew Alston >> > >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > >> > ; AFRINIC Board of >> > Directors' List >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Mr Alston, >> > >> > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> > >> > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> > >> > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> > >> > With kind regards ... >> > >> > Sunday Folayan. >> > >> > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> > >> > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community >> > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to >> > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious >> > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no >> > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And >> > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the >> > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> > >> > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a >> > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time >> > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. >> > >> > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this >> > community that are clearly stated below? >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] >> > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 >> > *To:* Sunday Folayan >> > >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > >> > ; AFRINIC Board of >> > Directors' List >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> > >> > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within >> > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. >> > >> > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that >> > was made will be met? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] >> > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 >> > *To:* Andrew Alston > > > >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > > > >; AFRINIC Board of >> > Directors' List > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Mr Alston, >> > >> > Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> > >> > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> > >> > Regards ... >> > >> > Sunday. >> > >> > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Dear AfriNIC Board, >> > >> > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, >> > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following >> > are a list of requests >> > >> > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into >> > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy >> > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius >> > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly >> > what the potential liability is. >> > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required >> > to commence such an investigation, and once said >> > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the >> > time frames to complete said investigation, and once >> > concluded advise the community of the full results of >> > said investigation >> > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of >> > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form >> > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the >> > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall >> > be published as per the agreement to publish the >> > minutes of board meetings. >> > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into >> > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member >> > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the >> > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> > contract be changed without the consent of both >> > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what >> > is already signed) >> > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members >> > list requesting the board to check if any procedures >> > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a >> > signatory are missing, can the board please >> > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or >> > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The >> > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source >> > which binds the company and advise the community of >> > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and >> > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding >> > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames >> > to rectify these areas. >> > >> > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> > >> > Many Thanks >> > >> > Andrew Alston >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > >> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> > >> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> > >> > Managing Director >> > >> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> > >> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> > >> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> > >> > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> > >> > Managing Director >> > >> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> > >> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> > >> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> > >> > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > >> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > >> > -- >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> > Managing Director >> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng , >> sfolayan at gmail.com >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> Managing Director >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > hments/20171005/8bf7af6f/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 >> ************************************************* >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 >> ************************************************* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll make a note of your comment about "by default" without commenting about it. Some of the examples which you provided are already covered by the law; it may be different in other countries. Is there any process which is not transparent? If that is the case, I am okay if you or anyone else wishes to raise it as an issue. Regards, S. Moonesamy From kennethworld001 at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 10:56:47 2017 From: kennethworld001 at gmail.com (uche kenneth) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20171012013932.10e6b3d8@elandsys.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20171012013932.10e6b3d8@elandsys.com> Message-ID: ooooh pls i dont belong here.. pls can d Admin kindly flush me out of dis group.. PLEASE I beg.. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 10:19 AM S Moonesamy wrote: > Hi Owen, > At 03:50 PM 10-10-2017, Owen DeLong wrote: > >I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is > >managing resources on behalf of a community and serving as that > >community's representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF, > >etc.) should be as transparent in all of its processes and dealings > >as possible. This means, IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate > >need for confidentiality (legal strategies in active litigation, > >staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), information should > >generally be made available to the community by default. > > Several years ago, well before transparent was a topic of interest, > an ex-IAB Chair explained why the IAB published information. I'll > make a note of your comment about "by default" without commenting > about it. Some of the examples which you provided are already > covered by the law; it may be different in other countries. > > Is there any process which is not transparent? If that is the case, > I am okay if you or anyone else wishes to raise it as an issue. > > Regards, > S. Moonesamy > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kennethworld001 at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 10:59:32 2017 From: kennethworld001 at gmail.com (uche kenneth) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:59:32 +0100 Subject: [Community-Discuss] (no subject) Message-ID: Please Admin kindly remove me from dis group.. Am Fed up a long time ago. PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSS jus flush me out of this group.. PLEASE I beg. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com Sun Oct 22 16:54:27 2017 From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:54:27 +0000 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Minutes and resolutions Message-ID: Dear Board, It has come to my attention that there have been no minutes and no resolutions published since the board meeting held in June of this year. Since resolutions are normally published directly after the meeting where they are taken, and board meeting minutes typically take far less than 4 months (close to 5 now) to appear - can the board please confirm if a.) any resolutions have been taken since June 2017 b.) if such resolutions have been taken, why they are not published c.) When we will see minutes from the meeting held in June 2017 and any subsequent minutes I would also like the board to further clarify - if a member of the board leaves the board - without the minutes of the previous meeting having been published - and when they are published - finds factual discrepancies and omissions from those minutes - what is the process by which the former director can request adjustment of said minutes (realizing that said board member will have left the board and cannot request such adjustments on public lists since such adjustments are subject to NDA until such time as they become a matter of public record in the minutes) Thanks Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are looking for presenters who would: - Offer a technical tutorial on an appropriate topic; - Participate in the technical conference sessions as a speaker; - Convene and chair panel sessions of relevant topics. Please submit on-line at: http://papers.apricot.net/user/login.php?event=63 CONFERENCE MILESTONES --------------------- Call for Papers Opens: Now Draft Program Published: As Papers Confirmed Final Deadline for Submissions: 26 January 2018 Final Program Published: 2 February 2018 Final Slides Received: 16 February 2018 *NOTE THAT REGARDLESS OF DEADLINES, SLOTS ARE FILLED ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED BASIS* PROGRAMME MATERIAL ------------------ The APRICOT Conference Programme consists of three parts, these being the Peering Forum, Tutorials, and Conference Tracks. Topics proposed must be relevant to Internet Operations and Technologies: - IPv4 / IPv6 Routing and Operations - IPv6 deployment and transition technologies - Internet backbone operations - ISP and Carrier services - IXPs and Peering - Research on Internet Operations and Deployment - Software Defined Networking / Network Function Virtualisaton - Network security issues (NSP-SEC, DDoS, Anti-Spam, Anti-Malware) - DNS / DNSSEC - Internet policy (Security, Regulation, Content Management, Addressing, etc) - Access and Transport Technologies, including Cable/DSL, LTE/5G, wireless, metro ethernet, fibre, segment routing - Content & Service Delivery (Multicast, Voice, Video, "telepresence", Gaming) and Cloud Computing CfP SUBMISSION -------------- Draft slides for both tutorials and conference sessions MUST be provided with CfP submissions otherwise the Programme Committee will be unable to review the submission. 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Alan Barrett From noah at neo.co.tz Mon Oct 30 15:16:18 2017 From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:16:18 +0200 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> <442316C8-9D5B-4551-A596-1521EB3130D8@wacren.net> Message-ID: Hello, Amending the RSA to enable the transfer policy has generated a bunch of discussions and concerns. It is very important to see that the proposed changes through the updated 6d(v) and the new 6d(vi) address the concerns expressed. *The main/major concern was make sure that we do not create any loopholes to be exploited after.* Other minor changes are harmless and good to have. Cheers Noah On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Lu Heng wrote: > Hi Mike: > > "Your interest" is a very personal attack. > > As I mentioned in my previous email, I view the RSA and policy as two > independent documents which serve for entirely different purposes. While > RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so > AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage > internet resources. > > So by that logic, I don't think there should be any text inside both > documents to be complementary to each other. > > If you think that any of these texts that I pointed out has a legal reason > to remain, feel free to point it out. > > I am not a lawyer, what I do is to point out the texts which I believe are > unrelated to the legal relationship between AFRINIC and its member. > > Even if a certain policy text is missing, we shouldn't expect RSA to > enforce a policy that doesn't exist yet. Rather, we should make a policy > proposal to ratify the policy. > > But anyway, can we discuss specific cause here instead of arguing whether > we should use RSA to manage resource? > > With regards. > > Lu > > On 3 October 2017 at 17:02, Mike Silber wrote: > >> Lu >> >> I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. >> >> I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed >> (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal >> agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you. >> >> The concern being raised is that absent specific policy on those issues >> we cannot remove those clauses from the RSA, lest we create a lacunae that >> could cause problems. >> >> The suggestion (as I view it) as that we propose and finalise policy to >> replace the items in the RSA and once the policy has been ratified, we >> agree a mechanism to remove that issue from the RSA. >> >> I did not see any ad hominem attack and I don?t think any was intended. >> >> Mike >> >> On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:27, Lu Heng wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya wrote: >> >>> >>> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, >>> not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate >>> how we use IP addresses. >>> >>> >>> It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is also it >>> responsibility to coordinate the management of INR. Some might say this >>> is its primary responsibility. >>> >>> Until a policy gets developed by the community, the RSA is the only >>> mechanism available for fufilling this management mandate. Your interest >>> in removing these clauses from the RSA is probably better served by >>> proposing policy that makes them redundant as Dewole suggests. >>> >>> -Omo >>> >>> >>> >>> "My interest" is a weird misinterpretation and completely not true(why >> must it get personal every time, omo? ) I barely point out the clause that >> contains IP address management material(and I might have missed some). >> >> Those words are written by lawyers to manage IP addresses - this >> shouldn't happen in the very first place, because in the bottom up >> process, only community-developed policies are able to manage the IP >> address, which is the golden rule of bottom up process. Operators get to >> decide how they want to use and manager the very resource they are using >> instead of lawyers. >> >> By your logic, if there is a missing item in the policy, we should simply >> ask lawyers to add it to the RSA until community makes a redundant policy - >> but this is not how PDP works. PDP is not served as a way to replicate what >> lawyers wrote. Rather, if you think there is a missing item in the policy, >> you will have to make a policy proposal, and see if community agrees. >> >> RSA should in no way serve as a complementary to the policy, rather, they >> are two independent documents that serve for entirely different purposes. >> While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members >> so AFRINIC can be funded, policies are specifically designed to manage >> internet resources. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kind regards. >> Lu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- *./noah* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com Mon Oct 30 22:52:59 2017 From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (S Moonesamy) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:52:59 -0700 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA In-Reply-To: References: <60DB08BE-F390-4E72-893F-70331EA941DE@afrinic.net> <442316C8-9D5B-4551-A596-1521EB3130D8@wacren.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20171030153707.11624560@elandnews.com> Hi Noah, At 08:16 AM 30-10-2017, Noah wrote: >Amending the RSA to enable the transfer policy has generated a bunch >of discussions and concerns. > >It is very important to see that the proposed changes through the >updated 6d(v) and the new 6d(vi) address the concerns expressed. The >main/major concern was make sure that we do not create any loopholes >to be exploited after. Thank you for commenting about the draft. On reading the above, I am not sure whether there is a concern which has not be addressed. I spent several hours going over the draft to understand the changes. Regards, S. Moonesamy From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com Mon Oct 30 07:49:43 2017 From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:49:43 +0300 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification In-Reply-To: References: <20171008123717.5881938.71055.1911@gmail.com> <3C4D480B-0892-4EF4-9DD7-019E2F35DFB6@delong.com> Message-ID: <013ECAD3-888D-41CF-A66B-278600B0375E@nftconsult.com> Members This thread seems to have totally been ignored by Board. Could it be that it was not sent to members ?? I would suggest we get an acknowledgement from Board or CEO. If the initiator of the thread was responded to and questions resolved letting us know will also help. Regards On 10/11/17, 4:38 AM, "Ali Hussein" wrote: Owen I'd agree with you on the issue of transparency. I would request the following so that this doesn't look like a witch hunt. Depending on how the Corporate Charter says that members then move a substantive motion during the next AGM to discuss issues of transparency, Corporate Governance and what the Board can and cannot share. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: I think, perhaps, Andrew believes that there are real problems facing AfriNIC and the AfriNIC community and, rather than accusing him of a witch hunt, I suspect he is asking for increased transparency and information on behalf of the community in the interests of making those problems more visible in the hopes they can be addressed before festering into something much worse. I applaud his efforts in this area. Remember, as a board member and now as a former board member, he is bound by NDA not to publicly discuss privileged information he knows from his time on the board. However, that does not preclude him from asking questions as a member of the community if he feels that some fraction of that information should be made available to the community rather than being held in privilege. I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is managing resources on behalf of a community and serving as that community?s representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF, etc.) should be as transparent in all of its processes and dealings as possible. This means, IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate need for confidentiality (legal strategies in active litigation, staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), information should generally be made available to the community by default. IMHO, the fact that the board publishes the minutes of board meetings, but not those of subcommittees is an unfortunate and inappropriate workaround against transparency and I encourage the board to rectify this situation forthwith. Owen On Oct 9, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa wrote: Dear Andrew, While I am not speaking for or on behalf of the Board, I think your assertion and position on this matter is rather too harsh and suspicious. You piled a heap of questions for the Board members forgetting they also have lives outside AFRINIC. The chairman reliably informed you of how he has been moving around for sponsorship to host the next meeting. I find it absurd that all of a sudden you want a lot of questions answered, you want complete transparency, you want undivided attention and commitment from Board members, asking for this and that from a board you were actually part of less than 6 months ago? A board you narrowly missed being re-elected into? For all the good your intention is worth, I think you should change your approach to this fact-finding course of yours else someone like me begin to think you are only out to witch-hunt the Board. This can't just be mere coincidence please. My concern is that why didn't you attempt to seek all these clarifications when you were part of the Board? Now you are comparing our Board members to politicians? I find this derogatory IMHO and I think your actions if not checked may spell doom for this community. Cheers On Oct 9, 2017 5:34 AM, "Andrew Alston" wrote: Unfortunately ? it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our elected representatives ? and when responses do come ? they are extremely delayed. I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular board travel) in the next release of the financials ? because I?m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from. I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money ? that query ? never got answered either ? and I?m not holding my breath. I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the ballot ? maybe that voice will get heard ? though I suspect that the entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the election and we?ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes? same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they need your votes again?. Andrew From: "kutestface at gmail.com" Date: Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 To: "community-discuss-request at afrinic.net" , "community-discuss at afrinic.net" Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience.. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 (kutestface at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sunday, Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports. Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies. The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email: 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories) 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled. 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them. 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out. Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic. Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 From: kutestface at gmail.com To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1900 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship at afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih wrote: Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria. Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag #AFRINIC27. If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists For any information, please contact us on fellowship at afrinic.net. Regards, ?--? AFRINIC Fellowship t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 December 2017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks --? -- ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: community-discuss-request at afrinic.net Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Reply To: community-discuss at afrinic.net Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to community-discuss at afrinic.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to community-discuss-request at afrinic.net You can reach the person managing the list at community-discuss-owner at afrinic.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: Andrew Alston , Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC , AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Dear Board, Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Board, Sunday, I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members. Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well. Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job. Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, 2nd October 2017. Thanks and Regards ... Sunday. On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago? Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. With kind regards ... Sunday Folayan. On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such. Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below? Andrew From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 To: Sunday Folayan Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue. Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met? Thanks Andrew From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 To: Andrew Alston > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Dear Mr Alston, Thank you very much for your email and questions. The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. Regards ... Sunday. On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: Dear AfriNIC Board, I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is. 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results of said investigation 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board meetings. 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed) 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas. I look forward to hearing the results of the above. Many Thanks Andrew Alston _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 From: Sunday Folayan To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99d71 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Dear Mr Alston, I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet. On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation will take. Kind Regards .. Sunday. On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Board, > > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Board, Sunday, > > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? > > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. > > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central > channel of communication for the members. > > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely > appear ? been down that road before as well. > > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your > responsibilities as a board? > > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. > > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. > > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >; AFRINIC Board of Directors' > List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > 2nd October 2017. > > Thanks and Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the > original expiry date 10 days ago? > > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a > date please > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. > > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. > > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. > > With kind regards ... > > Sunday Folayan. > > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, > > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. > > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. > > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this > community that are clearly stated below? > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com] > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 > *To:* Sunday Folayan > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > > ; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. > > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. > > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that > was made will be met? > > Thanks > > Andrew > > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 > *To:* Andrew Alston > > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > >; AFRINIC Board of > Directors' List > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions > > Dear Mr Alston, > > Thank you very much for your email and questions. > > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. > > Regards ... > > Sunday. > > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC Board, > > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following > are a list of requests > > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly > what the potential liability is. > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required > to commence such an investigation, and once said > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the > time frames to complete said investigation, and once > concluded advise the community of the full results of > said investigation > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall > be published as per the agreement to publish the > minutes of board meetings. > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a > contract be changed without the consent of both > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what > is already signed) > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members > list requesting the board to check if any procedures > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a > signatory are missing, can the board please > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source > which binds the company and advise the community of > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames > to rectify these areas. > > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. > > Many Thanks > > Andrew Alston > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > > Managing Director > > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng ,sfolayan at gmail.com > --------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------- Sunday Adekunle Folayan Managing Director General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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