From sfolayan at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 12:39:51 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:39:51 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>

Dear Noah,

Find interlaced, my response to your questions.

On 25/05/2017 01:20, Noah wrote:
> Hello Board Chair,
>
> While going through this approved Financial Statements by the Board, I 
> have noted concerns that needs some clarifications.
>
> 1. Total emoluments and other benefits given to directors by the 
> Company during the year *2016 were 164.72*  compared to *74.49 in 2015 
> a 221% increase in spend on directors*.
>
> Can I ask the reason for such an Increase and can the membership have 
> a breakdown of this figure made public.

There was no increase, neither is there a breakdown to give. The CEO was 
only fully remunerated in 2016 (12 Months). CEO was only paid for 5 
months in 2015.

>
> 2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD 39,199 in 
> 2016* compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired and written off 
> during the year meaning we are not managing our collections. This 
> situation was expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, 
is defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no 
control over members going out of business. It does not make sense to 
pursue the recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.

>
> Can I get some clarifications considering in Gaborone when I tasked 
> the board for explain, the board indicated the situation would improve.
>

There you are!


>
> Noah
>

Sunday Folayan.
Chair, AFRINIC Board

>
>
>
>
> Noah
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:58 AM, AFRINIC Communication 
> <comm-announce at afrinic.net <mailto:comm-announce at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Colleagues,
>
>     AFRINIC is pleased to advise that the Annual Financial Statements
>     for the financial year to December 2016 is now available at:
>     https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/Unsigned_AFS_2016.pdf
>     <https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/Unsigned_AFS_2016.pdf>
>
>     Kindly take note that, at its meeting on the 19th April 2017,
>     AFRINIC Board approved the Audited Financial Statements as
>     presented (board resolution 201704.332  -
>     https://www.afrinic.net/about/bod/meeting/2017#r332
>     <https://www.afrinic.net/about/bod/meeting/2017#r332>).
>
>     All the required signatures are being assembled and once
>     completed, a fully signed and complete set of 2016 Audited
>     Financial Statements together with the signed External Auditors
>     reports and Opinions shall be published.
>
>     As per the bylaws Section 7.6  the audited financial statement
>     will be presented at the AGMM on 1 June 2017, for adoption by the
>     members.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Announce mailing list
>     Announce at afrinic.net <mailto:Announce at afrinic.net>
>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce
>     <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> *./noah*
>
>
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General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Thu Jun  1 16:57:37 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 19:57:37 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
Message-ID: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>


Members 

Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections. And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take on this important role of servitude.

To the outgoing board members ,  thank you for volunteering your time and passion over the last few years.
To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future.

The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community so as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us, multiplies our unity.

aluta continua!!!





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From neriah.sossou at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 17:29:58 2017
From: neriah.sossou at gmail.com (Neriah Sossou)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 17:29:58 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
Message-ID: <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>

+1 Congrats to the new elected board members.  We have full confidence that
they will keep the standards high and continue to represent and serve the
community.
Neriah

On Jun 1, 2017 7:58 PM, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

>
> Members
>
> Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections.
> And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has
> spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take
> on this important role of servitude.
>
> To the outgoing board members ,  thank you for volunteering your time and
> passion over the last few years.
> To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future.
>
> The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community so
> as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing
> our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us,
> multiplies our unity.
>
> aluta continua!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From mayoye at seacom.mu  Thu Jun  1 17:44:54 2017
From: mayoye at seacom.mu (Simon mayoye)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 20:44:54 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AIS'17 Challenges
In-Reply-To: <2BDF877B-6D3F-44C9-8AC2-4D7E14C14AF6@afrinic.net>
References: <6640477C-4077-4BD0-B8B8-C4D53D411823@afrinic.net>
 <1495901538258.31025@seacom.mu> <1495915906905.83515@seacom.mu>
 <592bb7de.0a5e1c0a.190e3.9c98@mx.google.com>
 <2BDF877B-6D3F-44C9-8AC2-4D7E14C14AF6@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <0019a713-c382-d5bb-ff49-d8d5fb41708f@seacom.mu>

Hopeful that the new board members will be giving clearer answers to
questions from members. Why rise a red-flag then not explain when asked?


Regards


On 5/29/17 9:02 AM, Alan Barrett wrote:
>> On 29 May 2017, at 08:53, <jaberamatogoro at gmail.com> <jaberamatogoro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear CEO,
>>
>> For the matter of transparency. What are those challenges for those of us who are not aware of them.
> If you have not heard about the challenges, then you don?t need to worry about them.  They pose no threat to the success of the meeting.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
>
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From nkurunziza1999 at yahoo.fr  Thu Jun  1 19:32:17 2017
From: nkurunziza1999 at yahoo.fr (Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 19:32:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <345553949.1238624.1496345537345@mail.yahoo.com>

Congratulations to the new elected team.
Best
?NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul 

TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY

?ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT 

R?seau des T?l?centres Communautaires du Burundi : Pr?sident

?Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secr?taire G?n?ral 

 Skype : jpnkurunziz 

 Facebook :? http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza
? 
Twitter : @nkurunzizajp

Linkedin : linkedin.com/in/jean-paul-nkurunziza-88217235

Tel : +257 79 981459 

    Le Jeudi 1 juin 2017 20h33, Neriah Sossou <neriah.sossou at gmail.com> a ?crit :
 

 +1 Congrats to the new elected board members.? We have full confidence that they will keep the standards high and continue to represent and serve the community.Neriah?
On Jun 1, 2017 7:58 PM, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:


Members?
Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections. And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take on this important role of servitude.
To the outgoing board members , ?thank you for volunteering your time and passion over the last few years.To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future.
The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community so as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us, multiplies our unity.
aluta continua!!!




______________________________ _________________
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Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
https://lists.afrinic.net/ mailman/listinfo/community- discuss


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From axel50397 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 06:31:58 2017
From: axel50397 at gmail.com (Adnan RIHAN)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 09:31:58 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Badges for the next meeting: Flags
Message-ID: <etPan.5931066d.552e0db8.13cf8@gmail.com>

Hi all,

AIS this year is my first meeting, and I see that the badges we=E2=80=99r=
e all wearing are very very important, not only for the staff, but appare=
ntly for others to make an idea about you at first sight. This is normal,=
 we=E2=80=99re just humans.

So, I would like to give few ideas to the staff for the next meeting, to =
improve the badges a little bit:

- Immediately under the name, please put small flags indicating spoken la=
nguages. That way, anybody will immediately know if it=E2=80=99s a good i=
dea to engage the conversation and how.

- Immediately above the country, put a slightly bigger flag of the countr=
y.

I think there will be less =C2=AB=C2=A0let me see your badge=C2=A0=C2=BB =
and quicker interactions.
-- =20
Regards, Adnan RIHAN

GPG: 5675-62BA (https://keybase.io/max13/key.asc) =20
=E2=87=92 If you are not using GPG/PGP but want to send me an encrypted e=
-mail: https://encrypt.to/0x567562BA.

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From axel50397 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 06:37:36 2017
From: axel50397 at gmail.com (Adnan RIHAN)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 02:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Badges for the next meeting: Flags
Message-ID: <CAJAA5RxLWC8o-ZMFSG6aG9_+V6umyz4_JwLtsX7Su=Qi9_SjsA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

AIS this year is my first meeting, and I see that the badges we're all
wearing are very very important, not only for the staff, but
apparently for others to make an idea about you at first sight. This
is normal,?we're just humans.

So, I would like to give few ideas to the staff for the next meeting,
to?improve the badges a little bit:

- Immediately under the name, please put small flags indicating spoken
languages. That way, anybody will immediately know if it's a good idea
to engage the conversation and how.

- Immediately above the country, put a slightly bigger flag of the country.

I think there will be less ? let me see your badge???and quicker interactions.
--
Regards, Adnan RIHAN

GPG: 5675-62BA (https://keybase.io/max13/key.asc)
If you are not using GPG/PGP but want to send me an encrypted e-mail:
https://encrypt.to/0x567562BA.



From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Fri Jun  2 07:01:15 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 00:01:15 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170601122329.0d7d52d0@elandnews.com>

Hi Badru, Neriah, Jean Paul,

I would like to thank you for your messages.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy




From oaddai at ucc.edu.gh  Fri Jun  2 07:28:38 2017
From: oaddai at ucc.edu.gh (Okyere-Darko Addai)
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 07:28:38 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170601122329.0d7d52d0@elandnews.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <6.2.5.6.2.20170601122329.0d7d52d0@elandnews.com>
Message-ID: <CADfufY6zBrg7f3pse+37W8rm-ZDB-DkwnbaOgkBUkuqKPWraKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
I hope with great resolve that all our efforts to come to a definitive
answer to questions of the way forward after these elections will be seen
in the actions n inactions of those elected. I pray that we all work
together in our different capacities to achieve those goals. Africa n
Afrinic, one and the same!!
And "facing the rising Sun, let us match up till victory is won!"
Medaase!!!!

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 at 10:04 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hi Badru, Neriah, Jean Paul,
>
> I would like to thank you for your messages.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
-- 
Best regards,



*Okyere-Darko Addai (VISHNU)*



*Principal ICT Assistant Network & Infrastructure Section (NIS), University
of  Cape Coast*

*M: +233-243- 255-764, +233-209-929-980*

*E:oaddai at ucc.edu.gh <E%3Aoaddai at ucc.edu.gh>, oaddai at gmail.com
<oaddai at gmail.com>, vishnuvod at yahoo.co.uk <vishnuvod at yahoo.co.uk>*
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From wafa at ati.tn  Fri Jun  2 09:19:08 2017
From: wafa at ati.tn (wafa DAHMANI)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:19:08 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <795783163.8600841.1496395129096.JavaMail.zimbra@ati.tn>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CAMQBkVzxhigNrZWowRpf3sn47gGL2NT0Pf4hzd+OBPdYVnMQmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <345553949.1238624.1496345537345@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17501312.8600860.1496395148167.JavaMail.zimbra@ati.tn>

Congratulations to the new elected board members 

Best 

Wafa 


De: "Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA" <nkurunziza1999 at yahoo.fr> 
?: "Neriah Sossou" <neriah.sossou at gmail.com>, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> 
Cc: "General Discussions of AFRINIC" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, members-discuss at afrinic.net 
Envoy?: Jeudi 1 Juin 2017 20:32:17 
Objet: Re: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes 

Congratulations to the new elected team. 

Best 
NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul 

TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY 

ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT 

R?seau des T?l?centres Communautaires du Burundi : Pr?sident 

Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secr?taire G?n?ral 

Skype : jpnkurunziz 

Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza 

Twitter : @nkurunzizajp 

Linkedin : linkedin.com/in/jean-paul-nkurunziza-88217235 

Tel : +257 79 981459 


Le Jeudi 1 juin 2017 20h33, Neriah Sossou <neriah.sossou at gmail.com> a ?crit : 


+1 Congrats to the new elected board members. We have full confidence that they will keep the standards high and continue to represent and serve the community. 
Neriah 

On Jun 1, 2017 7:58 PM, "Badru Ntege" < badru.ntege at nftconsult.com > wrote: 




Members 

Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections. And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take on this important role of servitude. 

To the outgoing board members , thank you for volunteering your time and passion over the last few years. 
To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future. 

The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community so as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us, multiplies our unity. 

aluta continua!!! 





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From ismail at tispa.or.tz  Fri Jun  2 09:53:35 2017
From: ismail at tispa.or.tz (Ismail Settenda)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 12:53:35 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
Message-ID: <CA+tgvaXRwdj0xvmf3VEYAHMAJ7JWq8NrGrZj=x39qOZe9z4FGg@mail.gmail.com>

+1 Badru,

Congratulations to the new elected board members and lets all work together
to build the community.

Best regards

--
Ismail



On 1 June 2017 at 19:57, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

>
> Members
>
> Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections.
> And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has
> spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take
> on this important role of servitude.
>
> To the outgoing board members ,  thank you for volunteering your time and
> passion over the last few years.
> To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future.
>
> The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community so
> as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing
> our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us,
> multiplies our unity.
>
> aluta continua!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From mayediop at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 10:25:48 2017
From: mayediop at gmail.com (Maye Diop)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:25:48 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <CA+tgvaXRwdj0xvmf3VEYAHMAJ7JWq8NrGrZj=x39qOZe9z4FGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CA+tgvaXRwdj0xvmf3VEYAHMAJ7JWq8NrGrZj=x39qOZe9z4FGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQO2M4ka6arzpn7AfzTp=O6UeXcG80fH39dH_C+-NN12eaFHw@mail.gmail.com>

+1
Congratulations to the new elected board members.
Best Regards

Le vendredi 2 juin 2017, Ismail Settenda <ismail at tispa.or.tz> a ?crit :

> +1 Badru,
>
> Congratulations to the new elected board members and lets all work
> together to build the community.
>
> Best regards
>
> --
> Ismail
>
>
>
> On 1 June 2017 at 19:57, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','badru.ntege at nftconsult.com');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Members
>>
>> Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections.
>> And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has
>> spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take
>> on this important role of servitude.
>>
>> To the outgoing board members ,  thank you for volunteering your time and
>> passion over the last few years.
>> To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future.
>>
>> The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community
>> so as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing
>> our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us,
>> multiplies our unity.
>>
>> aluta continua!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Community-Discuss at afrinic.net');>
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>

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From ish at lsl.digital  Fri Jun  2 10:55:15 2017
From: ish at lsl.digital (Ish Sookun)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 14:55:15 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
Message-ID: <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>

Hello,

I read
https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/2139-afrinic-elects-new-directors-nro-nc-member-governance-committee-member-and-pdwg-co-chair.

Congratulation to winners.

Thank you for representing Mauritius, S. Moonesamy. :-)

Regards,

Ish Sookun



From houndji.mireille at artci.ci  Fri Jun  2 11:03:25 2017
From: houndji.mireille at artci.ci (Mireille HOUNDJI Epse BOTE)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:03:25 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>
Message-ID: <VI1PR0402MB27821F552FA542BCE68D3F53F9F70@VI1PR0402MB2782.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>

My special congratulations to the new AFRINIC elected board members.

                                www.artci.ci
Mireille HOUNDJI Epse BOTE
Chef de Service Num?rotation et Nom de Domaine .ci
Direction des Allocations de Ressources et de Contr?le
T?l?phone : + 225 20 34 42 64
Fax : + 225 20 34 43 75
Email : houndji.mireille at artci.ci


-----Message d'origine-----
De : Ish Sookun [mailto:ish at lsl.digital]
Envoy? : vendredi 2 juin 2017 10:55
? : S Moonesamy <sm+mu at elandsys.com>
Cc : General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Objet : Re: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes

Hello,

I read
https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/2139-afrinic-elects-new-directors-nro-nc-member-governance-committee-member-and-pdwg-co-chair.

Congratulation to winners.

Thank you for representing Mauritius, S. Moonesamy. :-)

Regards,

Ish Sookun

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https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From evelyngeek at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 12:46:27 2017
From: evelyngeek at gmail.com (Evelyn Namara)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:46:27 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR0402MB27821F552FA542BCE68D3F53F9F70@VI1PR0402MB2782.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>
 <VI1PR0402MB27821F552FA542BCE68D3F53F9F70@VI1PR0402MB2782.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADweiLWWEe6sxf30RWy_XRL6=3v9RsFjiqkRCUT85XaYUV2VmA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to the newly elected board members.
All the best in your term of service.

Kind Regards,


2017-06-02 14:03 GMT+03:00 Mireille HOUNDJI Epse BOTE <
houndji.mireille at artci.ci>:

> My special congratulations to the new AFRINIC elected board members.
>
>                                 www.artci.ci
> Mireille HOUNDJI Epse BOTE
> Chef de Service Num?rotation et Nom de Domaine .ci
> Direction des Allocations de Ressources et de Contr?le
> T?l?phone : + 225 20 34 42 64
> Fax : + 225 20 34 43 75
> Email : houndji.mireille at artci.ci
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Ish Sookun [mailto:ish at lsl.digital]
> Envoy? : vendredi 2 juin 2017 10:55
> ? : S Moonesamy <sm+mu at elandsys.com>
> Cc : General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Objet : Re: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
>
> Hello,
>
> I read
> https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/2139-afrinic-
> elects-new-directors-nro-nc-member-governance-committee-
> member-and-pdwg-co-chair.
>
> Congratulation to winners.
>
> Thank you for representing Mauritius, S. Moonesamy. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes (ci-apr?s le "message") sont
> confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.
> Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. Tout message
> ?lectronique est susceptible d'alt?ration, par cons?quent l'ARTCI d?cline
> toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? alt?r?, d?form? ou
> falsifi?.
> Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes (ci-apr?s le "message") sont
> confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.
> Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. Tout message
> ?lectronique est susceptible d'alt?ration, par cons?quent l'ARTCI d?cline
> toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? alt?r?, d?form? ou
> falsifi?.
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From jacksonmuthi at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 13:41:16 2017
From: jacksonmuthi at gmail.com (Jackson Muthili)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 16:41:16 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>
Message-ID: <CA+DdLrScL2POjfd-Hio8kAH7GPDuaCvhakqFPrqJwXdu3WTs5g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Ish Sookun <ish at lsl.digital> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I read
> https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/2139-afrinic-elects-new-directors-nro-nc-member-governance-committee-member-and-pdwg-co-chair.
>
> Congratulation to winners.
>
> Thank you for representing Mauritius, S. Moonesamy. :-)

He represents the Indian Ocean Region constituency of AfriNIC.

>
> Regards,
>
> Ish Sookun
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss



From ish at lsl.digital  Fri Jun  2 14:58:38 2017
From: ish at lsl.digital (Ish Sookun)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:58:38 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
In-Reply-To: <CA+DdLrScL2POjfd-Hio8kAH7GPDuaCvhakqFPrqJwXdu3WTs5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <a467aa84-d31b-dc77-2d98-c65afe375c48@lsl.digital>
 <CA+DdLrScL2POjfd-Hio8kAH7GPDuaCvhakqFPrqJwXdu3WTs5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14f973ba-7201-730c-da9a-d8a0383164bb@lsl.digital>

Hi Jackson,

On 02/06/17 17:41, Jackson Muthili wrote:
> He represents the Indian Ocean Region constituency of AfriNIC.

Yes, of course. :-)

Cheers,

Ish Sookun



From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Sat Jun  3 09:19:33 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 02:19:33 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was [AFRINIC-Announce]
 AIS'17 Challenges)
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170603000704.0bdfee28@elandsys.com>

Hi Simon,
At 10:44 01-06-2017, Simon mayoye wrote:
>Hopeful that the new board members will be giving clearer answers to 
>questions from members. Why rise a red-flag then not explain when asked?

I would like to ask you two questions to understand the issues.

   1. Are the existing mechanisms for members to communicate with
      their Board members adequate?

   2. In general, are the explanations adequate?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy  




From noah at neo.co.tz  Sun Jun  4 09:15:14 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:15:14 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
In-Reply-To: <AAE83BFF-D0A8-4D86-ADB2-C05AE63FFC23@afrinic.net>
References: <AAE83BFF-D0A8-4D86-ADB2-C05AE63FFC23@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWYdn8QhhVkmrW4yxwx7sRCMCeXEO8Vje-DNDpnpH+KYiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Community,

I thank the Af* for their bold statement.

Meanwhilen kindly read the reaction of Vint Cerf (Father of Internet ) on
the Anti-Shutdown draft policy.

The link is below...

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/t_P4WZgYj3z40moHGCwrYy2TgXA

This is why the numbering community ought to be mindful of such proposals.

Cheers,

Noah

On 2 Jun 2017 3:03 p.m., "AFRINIC Communications" <
comms-announce at afrinic.net> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> 2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD,
> AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th African
> Internet Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June 2017, issue the
> following statement:
>
>
> We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns ordered by
> Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional disruptions of
> Internet or electronic communications, rendering them inaccessible or
> effectively unusable, for a specific population or within a location for
> specified or unspecified periods of time. African territories accounted for
> many of the 56 Internet shutdowns recorded globally in 2016.
>
> We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that
> impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of
> Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as
> elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor
> solutions to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral damages
> on society and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access to
> information were unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights Council
> in 2016.
>
> We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet
> shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g. expression,
> association, access to knowledge and education) recognized both in the
> Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter on Human and
> Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and entrepreneurs. Various
> studies have highlighted the high costs of Internet shutdowns on country?s
> GDPs. In a context where economic growth relies increasingly on Internet
> access, as reaffirmed in the UN Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns
> can generate long-lasting and costly effects on society and on user trust.
>
> We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by some
> members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable solution to this
> issue. While we share the same concerns as theproposals authors and welcome
> the community dialogue this has generated, we think this proposed policy
> will likely be ineffective and could create unintended damages
>
> We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement, and
> would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as
> highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the proposal. We are also
> concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way that
> will worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might also
> impact citizen?s ability to access the Internet beyond the government
> entities targeted by the proposal.
>
> Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of
> Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful dialogue
> with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have legitimate concerns
> related to Internet use and that they have obligations related to national
> security and public order.
>
> In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to WORK with
> African governments and other stakeholders to find better solutions that do
> not hurt the fundamental rights of citizens and that protect the Internet?s
> stability, resilience and openness.
>
> ???????????
>
> [In French]
>
> Chers coll?gues,
>
> D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE
>
> 2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de AFRINIC, AFTLD,
> AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis lors du 5?me Sommet
> Internet Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai au 2 juin 2017, ?met la
> d?claration suivante:
>
> Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures d'Internet
> ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les fermetures Internet sont
> des perturbations intentionnelles de l'Internet ou des communications
> ?lectroniques, les rendant inaccessibles ou inutilisables, pour une
> population sp?cifique ou dans un lieu pour des p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non
> sp?cifi?es. Les territoires africains ont subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts
> Internet enregistr?s globalement en 2016.
>
> Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y compris ceux
> qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les r?seaux et infrastructures
> entiers, les int?ruptions intentionnelles de l?Internet ou acc?s aux
> services d'application mobile, dans tous les contextes tels que les
> ?lections, les manifestations ou les tensions sociales. Les fermetures
> offrent des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes complexes et ont montr?
> qu'ils g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur la soci?t? et l'?conomie.
> Les interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s ? l'information ont ?t?
> condamn?es sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des droits de l'homme de l'ONU en
> 2016.
>
> Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des
> fermetures d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les droits des
> citoyens (expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ? l'?ducation)
> reconnus ? la fois dans la D?claration universelle des droits de l'homme et
> dans la Charte africaine des droits de l'homme et des peuples,  ils ont
> ?galement des r?percussions sur les entreprises et les entrepreneurs.
> Diverses ?tudes ont mis en ?vidence les co?ts ?lev?s des fermetures
> d'Internet sur le PIB du pays. Dans un contexte o? la croissance ?conomique
> repose de plus en plus sur l'acc?s ? Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda
> de d?veloppement durable des Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent g?n?rer
> des effets durables et co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la confiance des
> utilisateurs.
>
> Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les fermetures
> d?Internet propos?e par certains membres de la communaut? AFRINIC offrira
> une solution durable ? ce probl?me. Alors que nous partageons les m?mes
> pr?occupations que les auteurs de la politique et que nous nous f?licitons
> du dialogue communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous pensons que cette
> politique sera probablement inefficace et pourrait cr?er des dommages
> ind?sirables.
>
> Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait
> difficile ? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son mandat
> technique et de son expertise, comme l'a soulign? l'?valuation de la
> proposition par le personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous sommes ?galement pr?occup?s
> par le fait que cette proposition pourrait opposer les gouvernements d'une
> mani?re qui aggravera la situation dans son ensemble. Enfin, la proposition
> pourrait ?galement avoir une incidence sur la capacit? des citoyens ?
> acc?der ? Internet au-del? des entit?s gouvernementales vis?es par la
> proposition.
>
> Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ? renoncer ?
> utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil politique et ? engager un
> dialogue significatif avec les parties prenantes. Nous COMPRENONS que les
> gouvernements ont des pr?occupations l?gitimes li?es ? l'utilisation
> d'Internet et qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ? la s?curit? nationale et ?
> l'ordre public.
>
> Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont disponibles pour
> TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et d'autres parties prenantes
> pour trouver de meilleures solutions qui ne nuisent pas aux droits
> fondamentaux des citoyens et qui prot?gent la stabilit?, la r?silience et
> l'ouverture de l'Internet.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Announce mailing list
> Announce at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce
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From afahounko at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 10:02:27 2017
From: afahounko at gmail.com (Danny)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:02:27 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was
 [AFRINIC-Announce] AIS'17 Challenges)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170603000704.0bdfee28@elandsys.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20170603000704.0bdfee28@elandsys.com>
Message-ID: <CA+DA2xriLSpc-c1kTfM1EJzD6On=xCfWmPf7iEyWV9t-P5e3Lg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear SM,

Just to add to Simon's email that, we also hope the new board will show
 different leadership style and regain community trust.

The community as evidenced at AIS in Nairobi spoke in so many ways.

The community seeks more transparency and openness and most importantly the
restoration of bottom-up process.

Kind regards,

Danny

2017-06-03 11:19 GMT+02:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:

> Hi Simon,
> At 10:44 01-06-2017, Simon mayoye wrote:
>
>> Hopeful that the new board members will be giving clearer answers to
>> questions from members. Why rise a red-flag then not explain when asked?
>>
>
> I would like to ask you two questions to understand the issues.
>
>   1. Are the existing mechanisms for members to communicate with
>      their Board members adequate?
>
>   2. In general, are the explanations adequate?
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From akirizal at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 11:02:13 2017
From: akirizal at gmail.com (Lydea Akiriza)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 14:02:13 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was
 [AFRINIC-Announce] AIS'17 Challenges)
In-Reply-To: <CA+O0tSk9ZxabDG5C0wmCV+rDCSBeS_Uz+CN5xQUYz6WJ4U0ntw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20170603000704.0bdfee28@elandsys.com>
 <CA+DA2xriLSpc-c1kTfM1EJzD6On=xCfWmPf7iEyWV9t-P5e3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+O0tSk9ZxabDG5C0wmCV+rDCSBeS_Uz+CN5xQUYz6WJ4U0ntw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O0tSmWv3TRpedEes1J=jsVW4iVdHY1gYjungBHfU08K=Jjbw@mail.gmail.com>

+1

On 4 Jun 2017 1:03 pm, "Danny" <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear SM,

Just to add to Simon's email that, we also hope the new board will show
 different leadership style and regain community trust.

The community as evidenced at AIS in Nairobi spoke in so many ways.

The community seeks more transparency and openness and most importantly the
restoration of bottom-up process.

Kind regards,

Danny

2017-06-03 11:19 GMT+02:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:

> Hi Simon,
> At 10:44 01-06-2017, Simon mayoye wrote:
>
>> Hopeful that the new board members will be giving clearer answers to
>> questions from members. Why rise a red-flag then not explain when asked?
>>
>
> I would like to ask you two questions to understand the issues.
>
>   1. Are the existing mechanisms for members to communicate with
>      their Board members adequate?
>
>   2. In general, are the explanations adequate?
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>


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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Sun Jun  4 12:00:07 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 05:00:07 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was
In-Reply-To: <CA+DA2xriLSpc-c1kTfM1EJzD6On=xCfWmPf7iEyWV9t-P5e3Lg@mail.g
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Dear Danny, Lydea,
At 03:02 04-06-2017, Danny wrote:
>Just to add to Simon's email that, we also hope 
>the new board will show different leadership style and regain community trust.

Thank you for your replies.

I'll disclose that I am eligible for the seat on 
the Board for the Indian Ocean sub-region.  It is 
easy for anyone to find out who I work for as I 
have provided the information in this message.

The weight of my opinion will be 11.11%.  In 
order to avoid any misunderstanding I'll mention 
that I am not speaking on behalf of the Board.  I 
have read the comments about "show a different 
leadership style".  Could you please explain, in 
English or French, what you mean by that, e.g. do you mean "?tre ? l'?coute"?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy  




From afahounko at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 18:15:11 2017
From: afahounko at gmail.com (Danny)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 20:15:11 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was
 [AFRINIC-Announce] AIS'17 Challenges)
In-Reply-To: <CA+O0tSmWv3TRpedEes1J=jsVW4iVdHY1gYjungBHfU08K=Jjbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20170603000704.0bdfee28@elandsys.com>
 <CA+DA2xriLSpc-c1kTfM1EJzD6On=xCfWmPf7iEyWV9t-P5e3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+O0tSk9ZxabDG5C0wmCV+rDCSBeS_Uz+CN5xQUYz6WJ4U0ntw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello SM,

We elect the board to act as a team and not as a  collection of people
representing, each  "11.1%". Participation in board role depends on
subjects, expertise, commitment and responsibility.

If the board serves adequately  this community-driven organization
responsible for managing public ressources for the public interest,  we'll
perceive it  in the leadership style.

This is a call to each board member to act responsibly.

Regards,

Danny


2017-06-04 13:02 GMT+02:00 Lydea Akiriza <akirizal at gmail.com>:

> +1
>
> On 4 Jun 2017 1:03 pm, "Danny" <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear SM,
>
> Just to add to Simon's email that, we also hope the new board will show
>  different leadership style and regain community trust.
>
> The community as evidenced at AIS in Nairobi spoke in so many ways.
>
> The community seeks more transparency and openness and most importantly
> the restoration of bottom-up process.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Danny
>
> 2017-06-03 11:19 GMT+02:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>> At 10:44 01-06-2017, Simon mayoye wrote:
>>
>>> Hopeful that the new board members will be giving clearer answers to
>>> questions from members. Why rise a red-flag then not explain when asked?
>>>
>>
>> I would like to ask you two questions to understand the issues.
>>
>>   1. Are the existing mechanisms for members to communicate with
>>      their Board members adequate?
>>
>>   2. In general, are the explanations adequate?
>>
>> Regards,
>> S. Moonesamy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>
>
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From patrickluf at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 18:59:25 2017
From: patrickluf at gmail.com (Patrick Lufundisu)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 19:59:25 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was
	[AFRINIC-Announce] AIS'17 Challenges)
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+1

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Jun 2017, at 19:15, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello SM,
> 
> We elect the board to act as a team and not as a  collection of people representing, each  "11.1%". Participation in board role depends on subjects, expertise, commitment and responsibility.
> 
> If the board serves adequately  this community-driven organization responsible for managing public ressources for the public interest,  we'll perceive it  in the leadership style.
> 
> This is a call to each board member to act responsibly.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> 2017-06-04 13:02 GMT+02:00 Lydea Akiriza <akirizal at gmail.com>:
>> +1
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017 1:03 pm, "Danny" <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear SM,
>> 
>> Just to add to Simon's email that, we also hope the new board will show  different leadership style and regain community trust.
>> 
>> The community as evidenced at AIS in Nairobi spoke in so many ways.
>> 
>> The community seeks more transparency and openness and most importantly the restoration of bottom-up process.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> 2017-06-03 11:19 GMT+02:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> At 10:44 01-06-2017, Simon mayoye wrote:
>>>> Hopeful that the new board members will be giving clearer answers to questions from members. Why rise a red-flag then not explain when asked?
>>> 
>>> I would like to ask you two questions to understand the issues.
>>> 
>>>   1. Are the existing mechanisms for members to communicate with
>>>      their Board members adequate?
>>> 
>>>   2. In general, are the explanations adequate?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> S. Moonesamy  
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Sun Jun  4 19:01:18 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 12:01:18 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions from members (was
 [AFRINIC-Announce] AIS'17 Challenges)
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170604115702.0bea9810@elandnews.com>

Hi Danny,
At 11:15 04-06-2017, Danny wrote:
>If the board serves adequately  this community-driven organization 
>responsible for managing public ressources for the public 
>interest,  we'll perceive it  in the leadership style.
>
>This is a call to each board member to act responsibly.

Thank you for explaining the above.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From silvio.almada at aapsi.og.ao  Fri Jun  2 17:19:47 2017
From: silvio.almada at aapsi.og.ao (AAPSI)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:19:47 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Election Outcomes
References: <C20912B5-EFF3-49AF-8BC0-3790363A2AC9@nftconsult.com>
 <CA+tgvaXRwdj0xvmf3VEYAHMAJ7JWq8NrGrZj=x39qOZe9z4FGg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANQO2M4ka6arzpn7AfzTp=O6UeXcG80fH39dH_C+-NN12eaFHw@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <002301d2dbc4$6f749530$4e5dbf90$@aapsi.og.ao>

 

Hello!

 

Congratulations to the new elected board members

 

Best Regards

 

Silvio

 

De: Maye Diop [mailto:mayediop at gmail.com] 
Enviada: 2 de junho de 2017 11:26
Para: Ismail Settenda <ismail at tispa.or.tz <mailto:ismail at tispa.or.tz> >
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net> >; members-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net> 
Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] Election Outcomes

 

+1

Congratulations to the new elected board members.

Best Regards 

Le vendredi 2 juin 2017, Ismail Settenda <ismail at tispa.or.tz <mailto:ismail at tispa.or.tz> > a ?crit :

+1 Badru,

Congratulations to the new elected board members and lets all work together to build the community.

 

Best regards



--
Ismail 



 

On 1 June 2017 at 19:57, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','badru.ntege at nftconsult.com');> > wrote:

 

Members 

 

Allow me to congratulate all the winners of the just concluded Elections. And also remind the new board members that it is the community that has spoken and chosen you out of a team of equally competent candidates to take on this important role of servitude.

 

To the outgoing board members ,  thank you for volunteering your time and passion over the last few years.

To the other candidates hope to see you on the ballot in the future.

 

The Afrinic community is a resilient, embracing and forgiving community so as we plan to leave Nairobi I?m hoping that we all look forward to doing our part in contributing to making sure that whatever tries to divide us, multiplies our unity.

 

aluta continua!!!

 

 

 

 




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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Mon Jun  5 05:42:36 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 05:42:36 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
Message-ID: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

So - I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.

In order to get this started - let me ask a few questions of all of you -

While we talk about transparency and how it is required - can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.


a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)

b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items - specifically - we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses - should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are - or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.

c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship - what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.

d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO - how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.

e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world - should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.

Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.  But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.

Thanks

Andrew



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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Mon Jun  5 06:21:27 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:21:27 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <A784C515-8F6D-477C-A2ED-FF7AC137B0A2@hussein.me.ke>

Andrew

You raise pertinent and important issues. 

The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else. 

If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.
>  
> In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?
>  
> While we talk about transparency and how it is required ? can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.
>  
> a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)
> b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items ? specifically ? we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses ? should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are ? or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.
> c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship ? what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.
> d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO ? how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.
> e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world ? should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.
>  
> Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.  But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Andrew
>  
>  
>  
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From saul at enetworks.co.za  Mon Jun  5 07:08:02 2017
From: saul at enetworks.co.za (Saul Stein)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:08:02 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
	on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWYdn8QhhVkmrW4yxwx7sRCMCeXEO8Vje-DNDpnpH+KYiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE83BFF-D0A8-4D86-ADB2-C05AE63FFC23@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWYdn8QhhVkmrW4yxwx7sRCMCeXEO8Vje-DNDpnpH+KYiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0bd301d2ddca$78bb9fa0$6a32dee0$@enetworks.co.za>

Hi



There has been a lot of negativity (and a little positivity) about the 
shutdown proposal.



The authors at the time admitted that it probably wouldn?t pass in its 
current form but wanted to address with the community a way to deal with the 
injustices that were taking place on the continent (and around the world for 
that matter) of internet shut downs.



I'd like to congratulate the authors for raising a point, granted probably 
not the right forum, but then I don?t think any other forum would have had 
the desired result or outcome. They produced a policy that got us all 
debating, engaging, thinking about ways to tackle this problem. We now have 
this statement below. Six organisations working together, committed to 
working with stakeholders to try and prevent this from continuing.



Yes, as expected, the proposal didn't pass - and it shouldn?t have in that 
form, but we, as a community have made a stand. It?s a start!



Saul





-----Original Message-----

From: AFRINIC Communications [mailto:comms-announce at afrinic.net]

Sent: 02 June 2017 01:52 PM

To: announce at afrinic.net

Subject: [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in 
Africa



Dear Colleagues,



2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, 
AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th African Internet 
Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June 2017, issue the following 
statement:



We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns ordered by 
Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional disruptions of 
Internet or electronic communications, rendering them inaccessible or 
effectively unusable, for a specific population or within a location for 
specified or unspecified periods of time. African territories accounted for 
many of the 56 Internet shutdowns recorded globally in 2016.



We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that 
impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of 
Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as 
elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor solutions 
to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral damages on society 
and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access to information were 
unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights Council in 2016.



We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet 
shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g. expression, 
association, access to knowledge and education) recognized both in the 
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter on Human and 
Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and entrepreneurs. Various 
studies have highlighted the high costs of Internet shutdowns on country?s 
GDPs. In a context where economic growth relies increasingly on Internet 
access, as reaffirmed in the UN Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns 
can generate long-lasting and costly effects on society and on user trust.



We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by some 
members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable solution to this 
issue. While we share the same concerns as theproposals authors and welcome 
the community dialogue this has generated, we think this proposed policy 
will likely be ineffective and could create unintended damages



We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement, and 
would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as 
highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the proposal. We are also 
concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way that will 
worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might also impact 
citizen?s ability to access the Internet beyond the government entities 
targeted by the proposal.



Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of 
Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful dialogue 
with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have legitimate concerns 
related to Internet use and that they have obligations related to national 
security and public order.



In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to WORK with 
African governments and other stakeholders to find better solutions that do 
not hurt the fundamental rights of citizens and that protect the Internet?s 
stability, resilience and openness.



???????????



[In French]



Chers coll?gues,



D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE

2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de AFRINIC, AFTLD, 
AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis lors du 5?me Sommet Internet 
Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai au 2 juin 2017, ?met la d?claration 
suivante:

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures d'Internet 
ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les fermetures Internet sont des 
perturbations intentionnelles de l'Internet ou des communications 
?lectroniques, les rendant inaccessibles ou inutilisables, pour une 
population sp?cifique ou dans un lieu pour des p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non 
sp?cifi?es. Les territoires africains ont subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts 
Internet enregistr?s globalement en 2016.

Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y compris ceux 
qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les r?seaux et infrastructures 
entiers, les int?ruptions intentionnelles de l?Internet ou acc?s aux 
services d'application mobile, dans tous les contextes tels que les 
?lections, les manifestations ou les tensions sociales. Les fermetures 
offrent des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes complexes et ont montr? qu'ils 
g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur la soci?t? et l'?conomie. Les 
interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s ? l'information ont ?t? condamn?es 
sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des droits de l'homme de l'ONU en 2016.

Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des fermetures 
d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les droits des citoyens 
(expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ? l'?ducation) reconnus ? la 
fois dans la D?claration universelle des droits de l'homme et dans la Charte 
africaine des droits de l'homme et des peuples,  ils ont ?galement des 
r?percussions sur les entreprises et les entrepreneurs. Diverses ?tudes ont 
mis en ?vidence les co?ts ?lev?s des fermetures d'Internet sur le PIB du 
pays. Dans un contexte o? la croissance ?conomique repose de plus en plus 
sur l'acc?s ? Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda de d?veloppement 
durable des Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent g?n?rer des effets 
durables et co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la confiance des utilisateurs.

Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les fermetures d?Internet 
propos?e par certains membres de la communaut? AFRINIC offrira une solution 
durable ? ce probl?me. Alors que nous partageons les m?mes pr?occupations 
que les auteurs de la politique et que nous nous f?licitons du dialogue 
communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous pensons que cette politique sera 
probablement inefficace et pourrait cr?er des dommages ind?sirables.

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait difficile 
? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son mandat technique et 
de son expertise, comme l'a soulign? l'?valuation de la proposition par le 
personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous sommes ?galement pr?occup?s par le fait que cette 
proposition pourrait opposer les gouvernements d'une mani?re qui aggravera 
la situation dans son ensemble. Enfin, la proposition pourrait ?galement 
avoir une incidence sur la capacit? des citoyens ? acc?der ? Internet 
au-del? des entit?s gouvernementales vis?es par la proposition.

Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ? renoncer ? 
utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil politique et ? engager un 
dialogue significatif avec les parties prenantes. Nous COMPRENONS que les 
gouvernements ont des pr?occupations l?gitimes li?es ? l'utilisation 
d'Internet et qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ? la s?curit? nationale et ? 
l'ordre public.

Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont disponibles pour 
TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et d'autres parties prenantes 
pour trouver de meilleures solutions qui ne nuisent pas aux droits 
fondamentaux des citoyens et qui prot?gent la stabilit?, la r?silience et 
l'ouverture de l'Internet.



_______________________________________________

Announce mailing list

Announce at afrinic.net

https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce







From: Noah [mailto:noah at neo.co.tz]
Sent: 04 June 2017 11:15 AM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* 
on Internet Shutdowns in Africa



Dear Community,



I thank the Af* for their bold statement.



Meanwhilen kindly read the reaction of Vint Cerf (Father of Internet ) on 
the Anti-Shutdown draft policy.



The link is below...



https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/t_P4WZgYj3z40moHGCwrYy2TgXA



This is why the numbering community ought to be mindful of such proposals.



Cheers,



Noah



On 2 Jun 2017 3:03 p.m., "AFRINIC Communications" 
<comms-announce at afrinic.net <mailto:comms-announce at afrinic.net> > wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, 
AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th African Internet 
Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June 2017, issue the following 
statement:


We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns ordered by 
Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional disruptions of 
Internet or electronic communications, rendering them inaccessible or 
effectively unusable, for a specific population or within a location for 
specified or unspecified periods of time. African territories accounted for 
many of the 56 Internet shutdowns recorded globally in 2016.

We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that 
impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of 
Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as 
elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor solutions 
to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral damages on society 
and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access to information were 
unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights Council in 2016.

We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet 
shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g. expression, 
association, access to knowledge and education) recognized both in the 
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter on Human and 
Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and entrepreneurs. Various 
studies have highlighted the high costs of Internet shutdowns on country?s 
GDPs. In a context where economic growth relies increasingly on Internet 
access, as reaffirmed in the UN Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns 
can generate long-lasting and costly effects on society and on user trust.

We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by some 
members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable solution to this 
issue. While we share the same concerns as theproposals authors and welcome 
the community dialogue this has generated, we think this proposed policy 
will likely be ineffective and could create unintended damages

We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement, and 
would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as 
highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the proposal. We are also 
concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way that will 
worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might also impact 
citizen?s ability to access the Internet beyond the government entities 
targeted by the proposal.

Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of 
Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful dialogue 
with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have legitimate concerns 
related to Internet use and that they have obligations related to national 
security and public order.

In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to WORK with 
African governments and other stakeholders to find better solutions that do 
not hurt the fundamental rights of citizens and that protect the Internet?s 
stability, resilience and openness.

???????????

[In French]

Chers coll?gues,

D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE

2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de AFRINIC, AFTLD, 
AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis lors du 5?me Sommet Internet 
Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai au 2 juin 2017, ?met la d?claration 
suivante:

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures d'Internet 
ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les fermetures Internet sont des 
perturbations intentionnelles de l'Internet ou des communications 
?lectroniques, les rendant inaccessibles ou inutilisables, pour une 
population sp?cifique ou dans un lieu pour des p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non 
sp?cifi?es. Les territoires africains ont subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts 
Internet enregistr?s globalement en 2016.

Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y compris ceux 
qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les r?seaux et infrastructures 
entiers, les int?ruptions intentionnelles de l?Internet ou acc?s aux 
services d'application mobile, dans tous les contextes tels que les 
?lections, les manifestations ou les tensions sociales. Les fermetures 
offrent des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes complexes et ont montr? qu'ils 
g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur la soci?t? et l'?conomie. Les 
interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s ? l'information ont ?t? condamn?es 
sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des droits de l'homme de l'ONU en 2016.

Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des fermetures 
d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les droits des citoyens 
(expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ? l'?ducation) reconnus ? la 
fois dans la D?claration universelle des droits de l'homme et dans la Charte 
africaine des droits de l'homme et des peuples,  ils ont ?galement des 
r?percussions sur les entreprises et les entrepreneurs. Diverses ?tudes ont 
mis en ?vidence les co?ts ?lev?s des fermetures d'Internet sur le PIB du 
pays. Dans un contexte o? la croissance ?conomique repose de plus en plus 
sur l'acc?s ? Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda de d?veloppement 
durable des Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent g?n?rer des effets 
durables et co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la confiance des utilisateurs.

Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les fermetures d?Internet 
propos?e par certains membres de la communaut? AFRINIC offrira une solution 
durable ? ce probl?me. Alors que nous partageons les m?mes pr?occupations 
que les auteurs de la politique et que nous nous f?licitons du dialogue 
communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous pensons que cette politique sera 
probablement inefficace et pourrait cr?er des dommages ind?sirables.

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait difficile 
? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son mandat technique et 
de son expertise, comme l'a soulign? l'?valuation de la proposition par le 
personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous sommes ?galement pr?occup?s par le fait que cette 
proposition pourrait opposer les gouvernements d'une mani?re qui aggravera 
la situation dans son ensemble. Enfin, la proposition pourrait ?galement 
avoir une incidence sur la capacit? des citoyens ? acc?der ? Internet 
au-del? des entit?s gouvernementales vis?es par la proposition.

Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ? renoncer ? 
utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil politique et ? engager un 
dialogue significatif avec les parties prenantes. Nous COMPRENONS que les 
gouvernements ont des pr?occupations l?gitimes li?es ? l'utilisation 
d'Internet et qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ? la s?curit? nationale et ? 
l'ordre public.

Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont disponibles pour 
TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et d'autres parties prenantes 
pour trouver de meilleures solutions qui ne nuisent pas aux droits 
fondamentaux des citoyens et qui prot?gent la stabilit?, la r?silience et 
l'ouverture de l'Internet.

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From mje at posix.co.za  Mon Jun  5 08:37:57 2017
From: mje at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 10:37:57 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member,
one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has
helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is
an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew was not re-elected to
continue assisting in that process.

Regarding Andrews points:

a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for
travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised
something like;
     i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000
     ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000
     iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000

(or something like that)

b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the
case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are
proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion.

e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained,
but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When
flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege
should stay to give people access to lounges.  I'm happy the CEO flies
business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and
overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and
was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that
once (but travelled economy).


On 05/06/2017 08:21, Ali Hussein wrote:
> Andrew
>
> You raise pertinent and important issues. 
>
> The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency
> trumps (no pun intended) everything else. 
>
> If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL
> disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent,
> how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble
> opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much
> information as opposed to too little information.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113 
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act
> but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency,
>> specifically, financial transparency.
>>
>>  
>>
>> In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?
>>
>>  
>>
>> While we talk about transparency and how it is required ? can we
>> analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So,
>> to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic
>> questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.
>>
>>  
>>
>> a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us
>> as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it
>> sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel
>> expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown
>> on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes
>> up 10% of the total revenue)
>>
>> b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us
>> as members as regards other large scale line items ? specifically ?
>> we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses ? should
>> we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are ? or
>> are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under
>> a single large line item.
>>
>> c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for
>> sponsorship ? what level of transparency and accountability should be
>> required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC
>> makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal
>> incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their
>> own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to
>> far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from
>> those that they give money to that we require from them.
>>
>> d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO ?
>> how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about
>> how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being
>> used for.
>>
>> e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the
>> world ? should board members be able to attend these conferences
>> without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said
>> meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we
>> prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further
>> questions.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees,
>> and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years,
>> we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial
>> position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss
>> openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into
>> those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we
>> can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary. 
>> But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the
>> right point.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
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>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Mon Jun  5 09:29:00 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:29:00 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Mark and all

Let's raise the bar on transparency and proper reporting is super critical.

For example a quick perusal of the Afrinic Website tells me that:-

1. The last minutes posted were in February this year. I see there was another Board meeting in April which has no minutes posted yet. Can we try and ensure that board minutes are available for circulation online within 2 weeks of the meeting being held?

2. It is common best practice for Board members to declare their interests (if any) before any board meeting and these to be duly recorded in the minutes. This will go a long way in enhancing the transparency conversation. 

3.  I also note that in the February Board minutes that agenda Item No. 5 on Committees there are no committee reports for Audit and Remuneration. Also no other board committee reports have been presented. 
Question:- why are there no reports on the Audit and Remuneration reports committees? Is this an oversight or were they simply not ready? Can the Board consider making the other committee reports available to the community?

4. It is now also standard for organizations to publish a Sustainability Report. Most public for profit companies in Kenya now publish a sustainability report. This is even more critical in an Organisation like Afrinic. To give us a sample of what this may look like please see Safaricom's 2016 Sustainability Report below:-

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew was not re-elected to continue assisting in that process.
> 
> Regarding Andrews points:
> 
> a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised something like;
>      i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000
>      ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000
>      iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000
> 
> (or something like that)
> b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion. 
> e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained, but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege should stay to give people access to lounges.  I'm happy the CEO flies business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that once (but travelled economy).
> 
>> On 05/06/2017 08:21, Ali Hussein wrote:
>> Andrew
>> 
>> You raise pertinent and important issues. 
>> 
>> The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else. 
>> 
>> If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.
>> 
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> Hussein & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113 
>> 
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> 
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>  
>>> So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.
>>>  
>>> In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?
>>>  
>>> While we talk about transparency and how it is required ? can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.
>>>  
>>> a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)
>>> b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items ? specifically ? we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses ? should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are ? or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.
>>> c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship ? what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.
>>> d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO ? how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.
>>> e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world ? should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.
>>>  
>>> Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.  But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.
>>>  
>>> Thanks
>>>  
>>> Andrew
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> 
> -- 
> Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
> mje at posix.co.za       Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
> For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Mon Jun  5 09:54:25 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:54:25 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Hi Ali,

Unfortunately due to constraints on the NDA ? I cannot divulge the contents of the audit-co report ? but I would also like these reports published, or at least, a redacted version of said reports.  I could understand why an internal board report on audit may not be published in its full totality because sometimes those reports can contain some pretty sensitive information, but I would like to see the board publishing at the very least a redacted version of the same.

I would say similar applies to the other committee reports ? where the board is publishing the reports produced by the committees ? and where necessary really sensitive information can be redacted and be cleared indicated that there were redactions made.

Thanks

Andrew


From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke]
Sent: 05 June 2017 12:29
To: mje at posix.co.za
Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency

Mark and all

Let's raise the bar on transparency and proper reporting is super critical.

For example a quick perusal of the Afrinic Website tells me that:-

1. The last minutes posted were in February this year. I see there was another Board meeting in April which has no minutes posted yet. Can we try and ensure that board minutes are available for circulation online within 2 weeks of the meeting being held?

2. It is common best practice for Board members to declare their interests (if any) before any board meeting and these to be duly recorded in the minutes. This will go a long way in enhancing the transparency conversation.

3.  I also note that in the February Board minutes that agenda Item No. 5 on Committees there are no committee reports for Audit and Remuneration. Also no other board committee reports have been presented.
Question:- why are there no reports on the Audit and Remuneration reports committees? Is this an oversight or were they simply not ready? Can the Board consider making the other committee reports available to the community?

4. It is now also standard for organizations to publish a Sustainability Report. Most public for profit companies in Kenya now publish a sustainability report. This is even more critical in an Organisation like Afrinic. To give us a sample of what this may look like please see Safaricom's 2016 Sustainability Report below:-

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf<https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf>

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113


Twitter: @AliHKassim

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Sent from my iPad

On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za<mailto:mje at posix.co.za>> wrote:

I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew was not re-elected to continue assisting in that process.

Regarding Andrews points:

a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised something like;
     i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000
     ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000
     iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000

(or something like that)

b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion.

e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained, but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege should stay to give people access to lounges.  I'm happy the CEO flies business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that once (but travelled economy).

On 05/06/2017 08:21, Ali Hussein wrote:
Andrew

You raise pertinent and important issues.

The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else.

If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.
Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113


Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>

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Sent from my iPad

On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.

In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?

While we talk about transparency and how it is required ? can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.


a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)

b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items ? specifically ? we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses ? should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are ? or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.

c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship ? what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.

d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO ? how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.

e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world ? should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.

Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.  But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.

Thanks

Andrew



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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Mon Jun  5 11:09:27 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:09:27 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Andrew

This is noted. However, I stand by my assertions that transparency requires a public Organisation like Afrinic to publish said reports - redacted or not. It's imperative that the community understands the goings on in such interactions. Unless of course Afrinic claims 'National Security' status? :-)

Ali Hussein
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+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

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Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ali,
>  
> Unfortunately due to constraints on the NDA ? I cannot divulge the contents of the audit-co report ? but I would also like these reports published, or at least, a redacted version of said reports.  I could understand why an internal board report on audit may not be published in its full totality because sometimes those reports can contain some pretty sensitive information, but I would like to see the board publishing at the very least a redacted version of the same.
>  
> I would say similar applies to the other committee reports ? where the board is publishing the reports produced by the committees ? and where necessary really sensitive information can be redacted and be cleared indicated that there were redactions made.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Andrew
>  
>  
> From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke] 
> Sent: 05 June 2017 12:29
> To: mje at posix.co.za
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
>  
> Mark and all
>  
> Let's raise the bar on transparency and proper reporting is super critical.
>  
> For example a quick perusal of the Afrinic Website tells me that:-
>  
> 1. The last minutes posted were in February this year. I see there was another Board meeting in April which has no minutes posted yet. Can we try and ensure that board minutes are available for circulation online within 2 weeks of the meeting being held?
>  
> 2. It is common best practice for Board members to declare their interests (if any) before any board meeting and these to be duly recorded in the minutes. This will go a long way in enhancing the transparency conversation. 
>  
> 3.  I also note that in the February Board minutes that agenda Item No. 5 on Committees there are no committee reports for Audit and Remuneration. Also no other board committee reports have been presented. 
> Question:- why are there no reports on the Audit and Remuneration reports committees? Is this an oversight or were they simply not ready? Can the Board consider making the other committee reports available to the community?
>  
> 4. It is now also standard for organizations to publish a Sustainability Report. Most public for profit companies in Kenya now publish a sustainability report. This is even more critical in an Organisation like Afrinic. To give us a sample of what this may look like please see Safaricom's 2016 Sustainability Report below:-
>  
> https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf
>  
> Ali Hussein
> Principal
> Hussein & Associates
> +254 0713 601113 
>  
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> Skype: abu-jomo
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>  
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>  
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew was not re-elected to continue assisting in that process.
> 
> Regarding Andrews points:
> 
> a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised something like;
>      i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000
>      ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000
>      iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000
> 
> (or something like that)
> 
> b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion.
> 
> e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained, but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege should stay to give people access to lounges.  I'm happy the CEO flies business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that once (but travelled economy).
> 
>  
> On 05/06/2017 08:21, Ali Hussein wrote:
> Andrew
>  
> You raise pertinent and important issues. 
>  
> The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else. 
>  
> If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.
> 
> Ali Hussein
> Principal
> Hussein & Associates
> +254 0713 601113 
>  
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> Skype: abu-jomo
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>  
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>  
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.
>  
> In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?
>  
> While we talk about transparency and how it is required ? can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.
>  
> a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)
> b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items ? specifically ? we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses ? should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are ? or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.
> c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship ? what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.
> d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO ? how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.
> e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world ? should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.
>  
> Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.  But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Andrew
>  
>  
>  
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From rashedibr at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  5 15:05:03 2017
From: rashedibr at hotmail.com (Abdirashid Ibrahim Abdirahman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:05:03 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Theresa May says the internet must now be
 regulated following London Bridge terror attack
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Dear All,


Donald Trump please something similar to Theresa May about internet regulation. It seems that the world powers are now promoting actions against the internet freedem. This below piece was published by the independent.co.uk journal - see the below.


"New international agreements should be introduced to regulate the internet in the light of the London Bridge terror attack, Theresa May has said. The Prime Minister said introducing new rules for cyberspace would ?deprive the extremists of their safe spaces online? and that technology firms were not currently doing enough.

The Prime Minister made the comments outside Downing Street on Sunday morning in the aftermath of the van and knife attack that saw seven people killed and dozens injured.

?We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed ? yet that is precisely what the internet, and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide,? Ms May said.

?We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements to regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning.?

The call was one plank in Ms May?s speech following the attack. The Prime Minister also said Britain was too tolerant of extremism and that ?pluralistic? British values had to be established as superior.

She warned there was ?a new trend in the threat we face? and that while the three recent terror attacks in the UK were not linked by ?common networks?, they were ?bound together by the single evil ideology of Islamic extremism?.

The Conservative manifesto pledges regulation of the internet, including forcing internet providers to participate in counter-extremism drives and making it more difficult to access pornography.

Ms May?s speech is thought to be the first time she has publicly called for international cooperation in bringing forward more red tape to cyberspace, however.

The intervention comes after the introduction of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 ? dubbed the ?Snooper?s Charter? ? which expands the powers of spying agencies and the Government over the internet.

The Act, championed by Ms May, requires internet service providers to maintain a list of visited websites for all internet users for a year and gives intelligence agencies more powers to intercept online communications. Police can access the stored browsing history without any warrant or court order.

The PM?s comments come after the third terror attack on the UK in three months. A car and knife attack on Westminster in March left five people dead, while a bomb attack at a concert in Manchester two weeks ago killed 22



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From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  5 17:55:41 2017
From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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> On Monday, June 5, 2017, 11:38:59 AM GMT+3, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
 > I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. > I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. 

Dear Mark, 
Well, the transparency we all see today was from the board minutes which were a result of the resolutions taken during the 2015 AGMM in Tunis and a demand from the entire community on the floor during that meeting. This is public knowledge and video archives are available on youtube Afrinic media channel when the entire community called for more transparency.? The call for transparency has been ongoing since 2015 up until today and its a call by the entire community and not an individual. 

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From mje at posix.co.za  Mon Jun  5 20:53:41 2017
From: mje at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 22:53:41 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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On 05/06/2017 19:55, Mirriam wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Monday, June 5, 2017, 11:38:59 AM GMT+3, Mark Elkins
> <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
>
> > I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board
> member, one of his goals was increased transparency.
> > I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this.
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> Well, the transparency we all see today was from the board minutes
> which were a result of the resolutions taken during the 2015 AGMM in
> Tunis and a demand from the entire community on the floor during that
> meeting. This is public knowledge and video archives are available on
> youtube Afrinic media channel when the entire community called for
> more transparency.  The call for transparency has been ongoing since
> 2015 up until today and its a call by the entire community and not an
> individual.

Hi Mirriam, you are almost correct. The resolution was obviously written
before that meeting and has, from even before Tunisia, continued to be
acted upon.
Andrew still used it as a champaign issue a year before Tunisia.
He didn't achieve this alone though, it was the combined will of the Board.

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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Tue Jun  6 02:13:48 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:13:48 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Ali

Thanks for highlighting the issues bellow.  Some board members have claimed championing transparency but I think we all need to have the same definition of the word.

The issue of publishing the minutes was a community mandate to the board not a board initiative.  I also like the issue on declaring interest.

However the community is not blind and eventually the truth comes out as we saw in Nairobi where the community spoke resoundingly in both ASO and board elections.

Regards

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Jun 2017, at 12:39, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:

Mark and all

Let's raise the bar on transparency and proper reporting is super critical.

For example a quick perusal of the Afrinic Website tells me that:-

1. The last minutes posted were in February this year. I see there was another Board meeting in April which has no minutes posted yet. Can we try and ensure that board minutes are available for circulation online within 2 weeks of the meeting being held?

2. It is common best practice for Board members to declare their interests (if any) before any board meeting and these to be duly recorded in the minutes. This will go a long way in enhancing the transparency conversation.

3.  I also note that in the February Board minutes that agenda Item No. 5 on Committees there are no committee reports for Audit and Remuneration. Also no other board committee reports have been presented.
Question:- why are there no reports on the Audit and Remuneration reports committees? Is this an oversight or were they simply not ready? Can the Board consider making the other committee reports available to the community?

4. It is now also standard for organizations to publish a Sustainability Report. Most public for profit companies in Kenya now publish a sustainability report. This is even more critical in an Organisation like Afrinic. To give us a sample of what this may look like please see Safaricom's 2016 Sustainability Report below:-

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf

Ali Hussein
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On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za<mailto:mje at posix.co.za>> wrote:


I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew was not re-elected to continue assisting in that process.

Regarding Andrews points:

a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised something like;
     i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000
     ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000
     iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000

(or something like that)

b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion.

e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained, but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege should stay to give people access to lounges.  I'm happy the CEO flies business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that once (but travelled economy).

On 05/06/2017 08:21, Ali Hussein wrote:
Andrew

You raise pertinent and important issues.

The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else.

If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.

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On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.

In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?

While we talk about transparency and how it is required ? can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want.   So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.


a.)     How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent.  Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)

b.)    How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items ? specifically ? we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses ? should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are ? or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.

c.)     When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship ? what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations.  Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.

d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO ? how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.

e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world ? should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.

Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.  But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.

Thanks

Andrew



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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Tue Jun  6 02:37:45 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:37:45 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Theresa May says the internet must now be
 regulated following London Bridge terror attack
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Interesting times ahead. The more need for dialogue between industry and government.

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On 5 Jun 2017, at 6:25 pm, Abdirashid Ibrahim Abdirahman <rashedibr at hotmail.com<mailto:rashedibr at hotmail.com>> wrote:


Dear All,


Donald Trump please something similar to Theresa May about internet regulation. It seems that the world powers are now promoting actions against the internet freedem. This below piece was published by the independent.co.uk<http://independent.co.uk> journal - see the below.


"New international agreements should be introduced to regulate the internet in the light of the London Bridge terror attack, Theresa May has said. The Prime Minister said introducing new rules for cyberspace would ?deprive the extremists of their safe spaces online? and that technology firms were not currently doing enough.

The Prime Minister made the comments outside Downing Street on Sunday morning in the aftermath of the van and knife attack that saw seven people killed and dozens injured.

?We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed ? yet that is precisely what the internet, and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide,? Ms May said.

?We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements to regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning.?

The call was one plank in Ms May?s speech following the attack. The Prime Minister also said Britain was too tolerant of extremism and that ?pluralistic? British values had to be established as superior.

She warned there was ?a new trend in the threat we face? and that while the three recent terror attacks in the UK were not linked by ?common networks?, they were ?bound together by the single evil ideology of Islamic extremism?.

The Conservative manifesto pledges regulation of the internet, including forcing internet providers to participate in counter-extremism drives and making it more difficult to access pornography.

Ms May?s speech is thought to be the first time she has publicly called for international cooperation in bringing forward more red tape to cyberspace, however.

The intervention comes after the introduction of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 ? dubbed the ?Snooper?s Charter? ? which expands the powers of spying agencies and the Government over the internet.

The Act, championed by Ms May, requires internet service providers to maintain a list of visited websites for all internet users for a year and gives intelligence agencies more powers to intercept online communications. Police can access the stored browsing history without any warrant or court order.

The PM?s comments come after the third terror attack on the UK in three months. A car and knife attack on Westminster in March left five people dead, while a bomb attack at a concert in Manchester two weeks ago killed 22



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From mirriamlauren at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 06:07:43 2017
From: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com (Mirriam)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 06:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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+1 Badru,
I agree with you..
Indeed the truth is everywhere from the board minutes and resolution and it's also archived online on youtube"Afrinic media" channel where the comminity can revisit and see for themselves.
No success today was championed by an individual but by the entire community whether it's transparency, Call for bottom up process, even the call for the formation of the gorvenance committe and the election of whoever serves this community as evidenced in nairobi and in all past meetings, IS ALL work of the great community which we take for granted most of the time.I close by calling for a new leadership.
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From ish at lsl.digital  Tue Jun  6 06:32:04 2017
From: ish at lsl.digital (Ish Sookun)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:32:04 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Theresa May says the internet must now be
 regulated following London Bridge terror attack
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Hi Abdirashid, Badru,

On 05/06/17 19:05, Abdirashid Ibrahim Abdirahman wrote:
> [...] It seems that the world powers are now promoting actions against
the internet freedem.

On 06/06/17 06:37, Badru Ntege wrote:
> Interesting times ahead. The more need for dialogue between industry and government.

I read
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/04/technology/social-media-terrorism-extremism-london/index.html.

I quote from the Article what Theresa May said:

    "We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed. Yet
     that is precisely what the internet and the big companies that
     provide internet-based services provide."

Identifying and tackling hate speech on the internet is a complex issue
specially if the content is located in multiple jurisdictions. May's
comment is vague. Is "safe space" referring to content that is published
online (blogs, pages on social networks etc) or private communications
on the internet?

Regards,

Ish Sookun



From muyawachira at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 12:52:02 2017
From: muyawachira at gmail.com (Samuel Muya Wachira)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:52:02 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AIS17 Announce] Our Cameroon case as one
 case study in solving an Internet shutdown in a country.
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Dr. Janvier it seems the letter was not used to explain information wholly
thus the context did not come out nicely. That is, it was not appealing. It
implies lack of professional independence which by every chance should be
demonstrated.

It's imperative to take responsibility of the written expression which is
deemed to carry meaning as it is to the public. That done, then you can
appeal to the public which will say whether it finds you fit or not to
continue in your role.



Samuel Muya Wachira,
P. O. Box 0721213943 - 00100
Nairobi.
Email: muyawachira at gmail.com
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On Jun 5, 2017 3:20 PM, "Mukom Akong T." <mukom.tamon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The global outroar about your position on Internet Shutdowns started by
> and email you made in a public forum [1], signed as president of ISOC
> Cameroon. That email was deleted and currently isn't accessible. But here
> is the content of the mail as You wrote, - in your capacity as ISOC
> Cameroon president.
>
> [quote]
>
> Hi to all,
>
> It seems to me that the problem of access to Internet in Cameroon is very
> much amplified here on the Net. There are 10 regions in Cameroon, the
> problem of access to the Internet is only concerning 2 Regions. These 2
> regions actually has some political or social crisis. The government and
> other stakeholders in these 2 areas are looking for suitable solutions.
> Meanwhile, the government has seen fit to cut these two regions off
> Internet access and Western Union money transfer services, for the sake of
> the entire population of these 2 regions.
>
> Internet works well everywhere else in the other 8 regions. Im sending
> this mail from Yaounde in Cameroon. So the situation is not a disaster as
> some seem to publish on the Net. The ISOC Chapter can only encourage the
> government and the other stakeholders to seek lasting peace solutions, even
> if it involves a temporary suspension of Internet and Western Union
> services. ISOC Cameroon Chapter President
>
> [/quote]
>
>
> Here are the reasons I find this entire episode rather disturbing
>
> a) You've served previously as  board member of AFRINIC. You currently
> serve for the last 4 or so years as president of ISOC Cameroon. That
> statement tell us you do not believe in the principles of these
> institutions and this community.
>
>
> b) You made that statement as ISOC president of a branch that has members
> that were affected by the shutdown. That it shows a callous lack of empathy
> that's unbecoming of a leader.
>
>
> c) You omitted that fact of your original mail, that indicates a lack of
> integrity. You also neglect to state that those messages you made came long
> after the global uproar of the statement you failed to disclose.
>
> The campaign for the restoration of the Internet in Cameroon is very
> public, the actors known,  trying to spin this into something you were a
> key part of is dishonorable and an attempt to score cheap political points
> for a campaign.
>
>
> Whatever the outcome of this election,
>
> * you haven't told us the whole truth
>
> * you haven't demonstrated the that you believe in the values of this
> community
>
> * you have failed to act with honour
>
> You are thus unfit to lead this community again and if by some political
> mishap you become a board member, you will be starting on a deep trust
> deficity.
>
>
>
> [1] http://lists.igcaucus.org/arc/governance/2017-01/msg00069.html
>
>
>
> On 30 May 2017 at 17:14, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2017-05-30 16:29 GMT+03:00
>> Subject: Our Cameroon case as one case study in solving an Internet
>> shutdown in a country.
>> To: ais17-announce at internetsummitafrica.org, General Discussions of
>> AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>>
>>
>> Our  Cameroon case as one case study in solving an Internet shutdown in a
>> country.
>> The facts:
>> - in november 2016 the government  of Cameroon shut down Internet in two
>> regions in Cameroon
>> - in december I convened the  ISOC Chapter Officers meeting  to noting
>> and deploring that government action,
>> - in january 2017, I convened the Chapter board meeting to reacting
>> against that action of the government, that board meeting ended up with 2
>> main actions: - a) one statement in line with the ISOC vision,  -b) and a
>> letter to the government through the Minister of telecommunications. You
>> can read that statement below, which had been sent to  various  mailing
>> lists. The 2 pages letter sent to the government mentionned the impact of
>> that shutting down on the national economy, with the advices,
>> recommandations and training tracks, to solve the issue for the sake of
>> every stakeolder. (I can share that letter  to the government with you
>> inbox)
>> - As the Chapter is part of the steering committee of the Internet
>> exchange point of Cameroon (CAMIX), I also raised the issue with the ISP
>> during one of the CAMIX monthly meeting, where the members strongly
>> supported that Chapter statement on the matter.
>> - At the same time, other national civil organizations and abroad also
>> raised up the statement against that suspension of the Internet.
>> - With all these actions, the governement removed the suspension of
>> Internet  in April and today the Internet is working every where around the
>> country.
>>  A lesson learn here is that, as an ISOC Chapter, we did not only  make a
>> statement against the suspension, but we also met the goverment and  the
>> ISP with advices and practical recommandations. In the meantime, we did not
>> make any insult word to them because of  their action. Our approch was more
>> collaborative with all the stakeolders.
>>
>> Unfortunately some misinformation and misunderstanding have been
>> circulated saying that I supported the suspension of the Internet. Please,
>> do not trust  thoses wrong informations on me.  My committement so far is
>>  to work and will  continue to work for the open access of Internet for
>> everyone and erverywhere as well  at the national and regional  level as
>>  at global level.
>> Hopefuly  that this mail clarified everything now .
>>
>> I remain at your disposal to give more details you may need.
>> Warm regards
>>
>> Dr. Janvier Ngnoulaye
>> Senior Lecturer of Computer Science and Educational technology
>> University of Yaounde I, Cameroon
>> Executive Committee member of the Internet Exchange Point of Cameroon
>> President of ISOC Cameroon Chapter
>> Tel: +237 677 72 03 34 <6%2077%2072%2003%2034>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2017-02-03 13:56 GMT+03:00
>> Subject: Statement and clarifications of ISOC Cameroon on the Internet
>> shutdowns in Cameroon
>> To: Internet Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, willi uebelherr
>> <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
>> Cc: ISOC Internet Policy <internetpolicy at elists.isoc.org>
>>
>>
>> ?Dear Internet member Community,
>> Many misundertanding have been circulated throught lot of mailing lists
>> about the Internet shutdowns in Cameroon.
>> Please note that.
>> 1) ISOC Cameroon Chapter with all the members do not support any form of
>> Internet shutdowns.
>> 2) After the Annual General Assembly hold on 28 january 2017, the members
>> of the Chapter condemned that action in Cameroon and took the resolution to
>> engage in conversations with the government. We will keep you updated on
>> the development undertaken.
>> 3) ISOC Cameroon Chapter is in line with the statement that Internet
>> Society published as a reference for such matters (
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/lets-keep-internet-everyone)
>> Thank you for any support and advice to us on the ground.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Janvier Ngnoulaye, Ph.D
>> ICT Teacher at the University
>> President of the ISOC Cameroon Chapter.
>> Activist of "The Internet is for everyone"
>> http://www.internetsociety.cm/
>> ------------------------------?
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 23:38:48 2017
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:38:48 +1000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AIS17 Announce] Our Cameroon case as one
 case study in solving an Internet shutdown in a country.
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Dear Janvier,
I noticed the following statement in your email:

"- in january 2017, I convened the Chapter board meeting to reacting
against that action of the government, that board meeting ended up with 2
main actions: - a) one statement in line with the ISOC vision,  *-b) and a
letter to the government through the Minister of telecommunications. You
can read that statement below, which had been sent to  various  mailing
lists. The 2 pages letter sent to the government mentionned the impact of
that shutting down on the national economy, with the advices,
recommandations and training tracks, to solve the issue for the sake of
every stakeolder.* (I can share that letter  to the government with you
inbox)"

Being a member of the Cameroon chapter, yet couldn't remember reading an
update to the community/members of action "*-b) and a letter to the
government through the Minister of telecommunications*" and the contents of
the letter
I went checking the chapter forum discussion threads if perhaps I had
missed that communication from the chapter leadership but found none.
Your last official update on this issue as president of the chapter was
on Feb 3, 2017 4:54 AM before the Internet was restored. In fact, I noted
that members were frustrated on the forum of the lack of any action by the
chapter (it appears now that there were actions like you've claimed but
which weren't communicated) which resulted to a member ceasing to be a
member of the chapter.

My question therefore to you is: Why wasn't this action, the letter and its
contents shared and communicated with chapter members?

Cheers,

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On 1 June 2017 at 01:46, Mukom Akong T. <mukom.tamon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 31 May 2017 at 17:57, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> My mail you quoted was to descrive the facts on the field at that time.
>> And clarifications have been given with the statement we made  on the issue
>> to those mailings lists.
>>
>
>
> You insult our intelligence by calling the following statement a fact.
>
> "The government and other stakeholders in these 2 areas are looking for
> suitable solutions. Meanwhile, the government has seen fit to cut these two
> regions off Internet access and Western Union money transfer services, for
> the sake of the entire population of these 2 regions."
>
>
> It is not a fact by any definition of the word. And it's not something
> expected from a former board member and active ISOC chapter president. The
> discussions on the mailing lists of the chapter further support that
> position and you did nothing to address it and make clear the position you
> now pretend to espouse.
>
>
>
> When a credible leader makes a mistake or believes he's being
> misconstrued, he starts by starting that issue, then goes on to address
> that. You didn't do that. That's what calls this whole charade of yours
> into question and makes you unfit to lead this community.
>
>
> If I have to explain to you that that email that you sent, the subsequent
> act of deleting it from public and by not disclosing it with your email is
> the crucial leadership and integrity issue at stake is a gross failure of
> leadership judgement, it simply tells me you don't understand the basis of
> trust.
>
>
>
>
>> See attached for example the letter to the Minister.
>>
>
>
> You conveniently forget to state where this letter fits in the timeline of
> events .... long after the ill-conceived email that you are want to sweep
> under the carpet.
>
>
>
>>  It is up to you to appreciate our actions on the field in the direction
>> you want.
>>
>
>
> Yes, and the combination still points to
>
> -  a lack leadership in this community
> -  a lack integrity
> -  failure to understand what advocacy means
>
> These are characteristics unbecoming of a leader.
>
>
>
>> The truth is that the Chapter is become a valuable multi-stakeolders
>> among the ISP and other local Internet organizations in the country.
>>
>
>
> We do live in a world of alternative facts. There's some reality in which
> that's true.
>
>
>
>
>> CAMIX for instance is today one of the great result of the Chapter and so
>> on, and so far.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mukom Akong T.
>
> LinkedIn:Mukom <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mukom>  |  twitter:
> @perfexcellent
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------
> ?When you work, you are the FLUTE through whose lungs the whispering of
> the hours turns to MUSIC" - Kahlil Gibran
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From jacksonmuthi at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 09:29:30 2017
From: jacksonmuthi at gmail.com (Jackson Muthili)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:29:30 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <fafeb174-c1a9-67b2-bac7-f4b39e7d45ed@posix.co.za>
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 <A784C515-8F6D-477C-A2ED-FF7AC137B0A2@hussein.me.ke>
 <16074c5c-c827-c84a-60c0-0e3bcdff30b4@posix.co.za>
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 <fafeb174-c1a9-67b2-bac7-f4b39e7d45ed@posix.co.za>
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On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
>
>> On 05/06/2017 19:55, Mirriam wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017, 11:38:59 AM GMT+3, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member,
>>> one of his goals was increased transparency.
>>> I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this.
>>
>> Dear Mark,
>>
>> Well, the transparency we all see today was from the board minutes which
>> were a result of the resolutions taken during the 2015 AGMM in Tunis and a
>> demand from the entire community on the floor during that meeting. This is
>> public knowledge and video archives are available on youtube Afrinic media
>> channel when the entire community called for more transparency.  The call
>> for transparency has been ongoing since 2015 up until today and its a call
>> by the entire community and not an individual.
>
> Hi Mirriam, you are almost correct. The resolution was obviously written
> before that meeting and has, from even before Tunisia, continued to be acted
> upon.
> Andrew still used it as a champaign issue a year before Tunisia.

We are discussing transparency at institutional level. Do not derail
us with individual and personal agendas of the past.

> He didn't achieve this alone though, it was the combined will of the Board.

This is the kind of thinking that will move the community forward.

-J

> --
> Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
> mje at posix.co.za       Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
> For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za
>
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Tue Jun  6 11:50:31 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 04:50:31 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurpr
 d03.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Andrew,
At 22:42 04-06-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>So ? I want to open a bit of a discussion about 
>transparency, specifically, financial transparency.
>
>In order to get this started ? let me ask a few questions of all of you ?

[snip]

>d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations 
>such as the ASO/NRO ? how much transparency 
>should be supplied back to the members about how 
>that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.
>e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to 
>meetings around the world ? should board members 
>be able to attend these conferences without ever 
>supplying reports about what was accomplished at 
>said meetings and what the purpose of the 
>expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept 
>that these meetings must be useful without further questions.
>
>Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have 
>an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom 
>line of the company.  Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to

I disclose that I will be a Board member of 
Afrinic Ltd.  I also provided information about 
who I work for as part of this message.  I am not 
speaking on behalf of the Board.  I am aware that 
the revenue for Afrinic Ltd is derived from fees 
received from member organizations.  I'll try and 
provide an explanation about Questions (d) and (e).

Afrinic Ltd is one of five Regional Internet 
Registries (RIRs).  It is useful for Afrinic Ltd 
to coordinate with the other four RIRs.  It is 
also useful to support the coordinating body 
(Number Resource Organization) through 
funding.  The issue which you raised is about 
what is being done with that funding.  I'll look 
into the issue with my colleagues.  I might not 
be able to say much about (d) as I am subject to some constraints.

You will likely see me at the next Afrinic 
meeting.  I will have to ask Afrinic Ltd to cover the travel expenses as:

   (a) It will be for an Afrinic Ltd activity.

   (b) I would like to meet the representatives of the organizations
       which are members of Afrinic Ltd to discuss about RIR-related issues
       which they encounter.

   (c) I would also like to meet the persons who are not included
       in (b) and listen to their feedback.

It is not in my plans to travel to non-Afrinic 
Ltd meetings.  Should I participate in a 
non-Afrinic Ltd meeting?  I don't know the answer 
to that as I write this email.  Assuming that I 
do, there may be some confidential information 
which I am not be able to share in a report to the members of Afrinic Ltd.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue Jun  6 12:23:28 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:23:28 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170606031108.0bfe64d0@elandnews.com>
References: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <6.2.5.6.2.20170606031108.0bfe64d0@elandnews.com>
Message-ID: <AM4PR03MB1794E5B75D99FF6C718C1113EECB0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi SM,

Comments inline:

>d.)    When AFRINIC is funding organizations 
>such as the ASO/NRO - how much transparency should be supplied back to 
>the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding 
>is actually being used for.

I believe that the NRO actually already publishes a report - I don't know how detailed it is - but what I personally would like to see from AFRINIC is to say "We funded our ASO/NRO representatives to the tune of X, of which Y was travel based, Z was whatever based etc."  This way the community can also look at the numbers and tell if they are happy with them.  I point out that at one point, ARIN asked their members about half a million dollars being spent on something (can't remember what), and the members were fine with it - but the members were given the choice. 

Basically - I just want to know how the money is being spent.

>e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to 
>meetings around the world - should board members be able to attend 
>these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was 
>accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure 
>was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful 
>without further questions.
>

In this regard - I refer specifically to AFRINIC board members travelling to and attending meetings like RIPE conferences, ARIN conferences, APNIC conferences, ICANN meetings, IGF meetings etc.  I would like to see that if board members are travelling there on AFRINIC dime, that they produce a report as to what happened at the meeting, how they contributed, what they learnt etc.  This helps to justify the amount of money it costs to have board members at these meetings and at the same time enhances the communities understanding of what is happening in the wider scope of things globally.  AFRINIC and its community is part of a much larger system, and I personally welcome any information I can get about everything going on in the rest of the world, and I just feel that if board members are going to be travelling there using member fees to pay for it - there is no harm in requesting that said board members produce a report to the community at large that we can all benefit from.  There is nothing confidential that needs to be reported - just information that may be useful in enhancing the members knowledge of what is going on out there in the world.

Andrew




From honest1989 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 13:17:54 2017
From: honest1989 at gmail.com (Ornella GANKPA)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 14:17:54 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
In-Reply-To: <0bd301d2ddca$78bb9fa0$6a32dee0$@enetworks.co.za>
References: <AAE83BFF-D0A8-4D86-ADB2-C05AE63FFC23@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWYdn8QhhVkmrW4yxwx7sRCMCeXEO8Vje-DNDpnpH+KYiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <0bd301d2ddca$78bb9fa0$6a32dee0$@enetworks.co.za>
Message-ID: <c45c46ca-6c2b-9a85-952e-c075cc81bea4@gmail.com>

Hi Saul,

We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board
member who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties
extended to keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.

One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum
for the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
community to concrete outcomes.

Regards,

Honest Ornella GANKPA

Le 05/06/2017 ? 08:08, Saul Stein a ?crit :
>
> Hi
>
>  
>
> There has been a lot of negativity (and a little positivity) about the
> shutdown proposal.
>
>  
>
> The authors at the time admitted that it probably wouldn?t pass in its
> current form but wanted to address with the community a way to deal
> with the injustices that were taking place on the continent (and
> around the world for that matter) of internet shut downs.
>
>  
>
> I'd like to congratulate the authors for raising a point, granted
> probably not the right forum, but then I don?t think any other forum
> would have had the desired result or outcome. They produced a policy
> that got us all debating, engaging, thinking about ways to tackle this
> problem. We now have this statement below. Six organisations working
> together, committed to working with stakeholders to try and prevent
> this from continuing.
>
>  
>
> Yes, as expected, the proposal didn't pass - and it shouldn?t have in
> that form, but we, as a community have made a stand. It?s a start!
>
>  
>
> Saul
>
>  
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: AFRINIC Communications [mailto:comms-announce at afrinic.net]
>
> Sent: 02 June 2017 01:52 PM
>
> To: announce at afrinic.net
>
> Subject: [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet
> Shutdowns in Africa
>
>  
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>  
>
> 2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD,
> AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th
> African Internet Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June 2017,
> issue the following statement:
>
>  
>
> We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns
> ordered by Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional
> disruptions of Internet or electronic communications, rendering them
> inaccessible or effectively unusable, for a specific population or
> within a location for specified or unspecified periods of time.
> African territories accounted for many of the 56 Internet shutdowns
> recorded globally in 2016.
>
>  
>
> We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that
> impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of
> Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as
> elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor
> solutions to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral
> damages on society and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access
> to information were unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights
> Council in 2016.
>
>  
>
> We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet
> shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g.
> expression, association, access to knowledge and education) recognized
> both in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter
> on Human and Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and
> entrepreneurs. Various studies have highlighted the high costs of
> Internet shutdowns on country?s GDPs. In a context where economic
> growth relies increasingly on Internet access, as reaffirmed in the UN
> Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns can generate long-lasting
> and costly effects on society and on user trust.
>
>  
>
> We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by
> some members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable
> solution to this issue. While we share the same concerns as
> theproposals authors and welcome the community dialogue this has
> generated, we think this proposed policy will likely be ineffective
> and could create unintended damages
>
>  
>
> We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement,
> and would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as
> highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the proposal. We are also
> concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way
> that will worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might
> also impact citizen?s ability to access the Internet beyond the
> government entities targeted by the proposal.
>
>  
>
> Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of
> Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful
> dialogue with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have
> legitimate concerns related to Internet use and that they have
> obligations related to national security and public order.
>
>  
>
> In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to WORK
> with African governments and other stakeholders to find better
> solutions that do not hurt the fundamental rights of citizens and that
> protect the Internet?s stability, resilience and openness.
>
>  
>
> ???????????
>
>  
>
> [In French]
>
>  
>
> Chers coll?gues,
>
>  
>
> D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE
>
> 2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de AFRINIC,
> AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis lors du 5?me
> Sommet Internet Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai au 2 juin 2017,
> ?met la d?claration suivante:
>
> Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures
> d'Internet ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les fermetures
> Internet sont des perturbations intentionnelles de l'Internet ou des
> communications ?lectroniques, les rendant inaccessibles ou
> inutilisables, pour une population sp?cifique ou dans un lieu pour des
> p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non sp?cifi?es. Les territoires africains ont
> subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts Internet enregistr?s globalement en 2016.
>
> Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y compris
> ceux qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les r?seaux et
> infrastructures entiers, les int?ruptions intentionnelles de
> l?Internet ou acc?s aux services d'application mobile, dans tous les
> contextes tels que les ?lections, les manifestations ou les tensions
> sociales. Les fermetures offrent des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes
> complexes et ont montr? qu'ils g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur
> la soci?t? et l'?conomie. Les interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s
> ? l'information ont ?t? condamn?es sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des
> droits de l'homme de l'ONU en 2016.
>
> Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des
> fermetures d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les droits
> des citoyens (expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ?
> l'?ducation) reconnus ? la fois dans la D?claration universelle des
> droits de l'homme et dans la Charte africaine des droits de l'homme et
> des peuples,  ils ont ?galement des r?percussions sur les entreprises
> et les entrepreneurs. Diverses ?tudes ont mis en ?vidence les co?ts
> ?lev?s des fermetures d'Internet sur le PIB du pays. Dans un contexte
> o? la croissance ?conomique repose de plus en plus sur l'acc?s ?
> Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda de d?veloppement durable des
> Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent g?n?rer des effets durables et
> co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la confiance des utilisateurs.
>
> Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les fermetures
> d?Internet propos?e par certains membres de la communaut? AFRINIC
> offrira une solution durable ? ce probl?me. Alors que nous partageons
> les m?mes pr?occupations que les auteurs de la politique et que nous
> nous f?licitons du dialogue communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous
> pensons que cette politique sera probablement inefficace et pourrait
> cr?er des dommages ind?sirables.
>
> Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait
> difficile ? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son
> mandat technique et de son expertise, comme l'a soulign? l'?valuation
> de la proposition par le personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous sommes ?galement
> pr?occup?s par le fait que cette proposition pourrait opposer les
> gouvernements d'une mani?re qui aggravera la situation dans son
> ensemble. Enfin, la proposition pourrait ?galement avoir une incidence
> sur la capacit? des citoyens ? acc?der ? Internet au-del? des entit?s
> gouvernementales vis?es par la proposition.
>
> Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ? renoncer
> ? utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil politique et ?
> engager un dialogue significatif avec les parties prenantes. Nous
> COMPRENONS que les gouvernements ont des pr?occupations l?gitimes
> li?es ? l'utilisation d'Internet et qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ?
> la s?curit? nationale et ? l'ordre public.
>
> Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont disponibles
> pour TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et d'autres parties
> prenantes pour trouver de meilleures solutions qui ne nuisent pas aux
> droits fondamentaux des citoyens et qui prot?gent la stabilit?, la
> r?silience et l'ouverture de l'Internet.
>
>           
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Announce mailing list
>
> Announce at afrinic.net
>
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:*Noah [mailto:noah at neo.co.tz]
> *Sent:* 04 June 2017 11:15 AM
> *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement
> By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
>
>  
>
> Dear Community,
>
>  
>
> I thank the Af* for their bold statement.
>
>  
>
> Meanwhilen kindly read the reaction of Vint Cerf (Father of Internet )
> on the Anti-Shutdown draft policy.
>
>  
>
> The link is below...
>
>  
>
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/t_P4WZgYj3z40moHGCwrYy2TgXA
>
>  
>
> This is why the numbering community ought to be mindful of such proposals.
>
>  
>
> Cheers,
>
>  
>
> Noah
>
>  
>
> On 2 Jun 2017 3:03 p.m., "AFRINIC Communications"
> <comms-announce at afrinic.net <mailto:comms-announce at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Colleagues,
>
>     2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC,
>     AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the
>     5th African Internet Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June
>     2017, issue the following statement:
>
>
>     We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns
>     ordered by Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are
>     intentional disruptions of Internet or electronic communications,
>     rendering them inaccessible or effectively unusable, for a
>     specific population or within a location for specified or
>     unspecified periods of time. African territories accounted for
>     many of the 56 Internet shutdowns recorded globally in 2016.
>
>     We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those
>     that impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional
>     disruption of Internet or mobile application services access, in
>     any context such as elections, demonstrations or social tensions.
>     Shutdowns offer poor solutions to complex problems and have shown
>     to generate collateral damages on society and the economy.
>     Intentional disruptions of access to information were
>     unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights Council in 2016.
>
>     We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of
>     Internet shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens
>     (e.g. expression, association, access to knowledge and education)
>     recognized both in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and
>     African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights, they also impact
>     businesses and entrepreneurs. Various studies have highlighted the
>     high costs of Internet shutdowns on country?s GDPs. In a context
>     where economic growth relies increasingly on Internet access, as
>     reaffirmed in the UN Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns can
>     generate long-lasting and costly effects on society and on user trust.
>
>     We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward
>     by some members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable
>     solution to this issue. While we share the same concerns as
>     theproposals authors and welcome the community dialogue this has
>     generated, we think this proposed policy will likely be
>     ineffective and could create unintended damages
>
>     We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to
>     implement, and would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and
>     expertise, as highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the
>     proposal. We are also concerned that this proposal might
>     antagonize governments in a way that will worsen the situation as
>     a whole. Finally, the proposal might also impact citizen?s ability
>     to access the Internet beyond the government entities targeted by
>     the proposal.
>
>     Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use
>     of Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in
>     meaningful dialogue with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that
>     governments have legitimate concerns related to Internet use and
>     that they have obligations related to national security and public
>     order.
>
>     In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to
>     WORK with African governments and other stakeholders to find
>     better solutions that do not hurt the fundamental rights of
>     citizens and that protect the Internet?s stability, resilience and
>     openness.
>
>     ???????????
>
>     [In French]
>
>     Chers coll?gues,
>
>     D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE
>
>     2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de
>     AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis
>     lors du 5?me Sommet Internet Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai
>     au 2 juin 2017, ?met la d?claration suivante:
>
>     Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures
>     d'Internet ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les
>     fermetures Internet sont des perturbations intentionnelles de
>     l'Internet ou des communications ?lectroniques, les rendant
>     inaccessibles ou inutilisables, pour une population sp?cifique ou
>     dans un lieu pour des p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non sp?cifi?es. Les
>     territoires africains ont subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts Internet
>     enregistr?s globalement en 2016.
>
>     Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y
>     compris ceux qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les
>     r?seaux et infrastructures entiers, les int?ruptions
>     intentionnelles de l?Internet ou acc?s aux services d'application
>     mobile, dans tous les contextes tels que les ?lections, les
>     manifestations ou les tensions sociales. Les fermetures offrent
>     des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes complexes et ont montr?
>     qu'ils g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur la soci?t? et
>     l'?conomie. Les interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s ?
>     l'information ont ?t? condamn?es sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des
>     droits de l'homme de l'ONU en 2016.
>
>     Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des
>     fermetures d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les
>     droits des citoyens (expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ?
>     l'?ducation) reconnus ? la fois dans la D?claration universelle
>     des droits de l'homme et dans la Charte africaine des droits de
>     l'homme et des peuples,  ils ont ?galement des r?percussions sur
>     les entreprises et les entrepreneurs. Diverses ?tudes ont mis en
>     ?vidence les co?ts ?lev?s des fermetures d'Internet sur le PIB du
>     pays. Dans un contexte o? la croissance ?conomique repose de plus
>     en plus sur l'acc?s ? Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda de
>     d?veloppement durable des Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent
>     g?n?rer des effets durables et co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la
>     confiance des utilisateurs.
>
>     Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les
>     fermetures d?Internet propos?e par certains membres de la
>     communaut? AFRINIC offrira une solution durable ? ce probl?me.
>     Alors que nous partageons les m?mes pr?occupations que les auteurs
>     de la politique et que nous nous f?licitons du dialogue
>     communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous pensons que cette politique
>     sera probablement inefficace et pourrait cr?er des dommages
>     ind?sirables.
>
>     Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait
>     difficile ? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son
>     mandat technique et de son expertise, comme l'a soulign?
>     l'?valuation de la proposition par le personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous
>     sommes ?galement pr?occup?s par le fait que cette proposition
>     pourrait opposer les gouvernements d'une mani?re qui aggravera la
>     situation dans son ensemble. Enfin, la proposition pourrait
>     ?galement avoir une incidence sur la capacit? des citoyens ?
>     acc?der ? Internet au-del? des entit?s gouvernementales vis?es par
>     la proposition.
>
>     Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ?
>     renoncer ? utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil
>     politique et ? engager un dialogue significatif avec les parties
>     prenantes. Nous COMPRENONS que les gouvernements ont des
>     pr?occupations l?gitimes li?es ? l'utilisation d'Internet et
>     qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ? la s?curit? nationale et ?
>     l'ordre public.
>
>     Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont
>     disponibles pour TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et
>     d'autres parties prenantes pour trouver de meilleures solutions
>     qui ne nuisent pas aux droits fondamentaux des citoyens et qui
>     prot?gent la stabilit?, la r?silience et l'ouverture de l'Internet.
>
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Tue Jun  6 13:34:03 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 06:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Hi Andrew,
At 05:23 06-06-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>I believe that the NRO actually already publishes a report - I don't 
>know how detailed it is - but what I personally would like to see 
>from AFRINIC is to say "We funded our ASO/NRO representatives to the 
>tune of X, of which Y was travel based, Z was whatever based 
>etc."  This way the community can also look at the numbers and tell 
>if they are happy with them.  I point out that at one point, ARIN 
>asked their members about half a million dollars being spent on 
>something (can't remember what), and the members were fine with it - 
>but the members were given the choice.
>
>Basically - I just want to know how the money is being spent.

Thank you for explaining the above as it helps me to understand what 
you would like to know.

>In this regard - I refer specifically to AFRINIC board members 
>travelling to and attending meetings like RIPE conferences, ARIN 
>conferences, APNIC conferences, ICANN meetings, IGF meetings etc.  I 
>would like to see that if board members are travelling there on 
>AFRINIC dime, that they produce a report as to what happened at the 
>meeting, how they contributed, what they learnt etc.  This helps to 
>justify the amount of money it costs to have board members at these 
>meetings and at the same time enhances the communities understanding 
>of what is happening in the wider scope of things globally.  AFRINIC 
>and its community is part of a much larger system, and I personally 
>welcome any information I can get about everything going on in the 
>rest of the world, and I just feel that if board members are going 
>to be travelling there using member fees to pay for it - there is no 
>harm in requesting that said board members produce a report to the 
>community at large that we can all benefit from.  There is nothing 
>confidential that needs to be reported - just information that may 
>be useful in enhancing the members knowledge of what is going on out 
>there in the world.

There is a public part to those conferences and that is already 
available only.  Are you arguing for more information about that part?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Tue Jun  6 13:38:56 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:38:56 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
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So, at this point, I need to climb in.

Firstly ? I argue that the credibility of the PDP process was protected at all times.
Secondly ? as to the scope of the PDP ?

Let us look at what the policy says:

If you do X, it has implications on your assignments.

Let us now look at other policies as regards IP space:

If you do not assign your space ? there are implications ? you cannot get RDNS

Also under discussion ? if your DNS delegation is lame ? it is removed.

The policy we proposed said ? if you do X, it has implications.

This is very much in scope of the PDP.  Had we proposed a modification to the RSA under the PDP ? it would have been considered outside of the PDP ? which would have been outside of scope (for example, had we said, a condition in the RSA should be that you agree not to cause either a partial shutdown or a total shutdown as part of the RSA conditions, that could not have gone through the PDP)

As for the me being a former board member ? it has been made exceeding clear to this community over and over again ? board members in the context of policy are speaking as individuals, they do not wear board hats, and the boards only role in the PDP is the ratification of policy after it has passed, and as once again was made clear, should the author of a policy sit on the board at the time of ratification ? they would be recused from the ratification discussion.  This is actually codified in the bylaws since as per the special resolution passed in Mauritius no board member may vote from a conflicted position on any resolution ? and since boards operate entirely by resolution and voting on a policy that the board member authored would constitute a certain conflict ? they are prohibited from voting for or against the ratification.

So for myself ? I stand by the policy proposal ? and further edits to the policy will be coming ? and under the current PDP process ? the policy will return ? albeit with some pretty serious modification stemming from the comments on the floor of the PDP ? we have been given many ideas and many thoughts and much to think about in the context of that discussion ? but right now ? we have not withdrawn the policy ? and it is still within the PDP process.

Thanks

Andrew


From: Ornella GANKPA [mailto:honest1989 at gmail.com]
Sent: 06 June 2017 16:18
To: Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa


Hi Saul,

We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.

One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this community to concrete outcomes.

Regards,

Honest Ornella GANKPA
Le 05/06/2017 ? 08:08, Saul Stein a ?crit :

Hi



There has been a lot of negativity (and a little positivity) about the shutdown proposal.



The authors at the time admitted that it probably wouldn?t pass in its current form but wanted to address with the community a way to deal with the injustices that were taking place on the continent (and around the world for that matter) of internet shut downs.



I'd like to congratulate the authors for raising a point, granted probably not the right forum, but then I don?t think any other forum would have had the desired result or outcome. They produced a policy that got us all debating, engaging, thinking about ways to tackle this problem. We now have this statement below. Six organisations working together, committed to working with stakeholders to try and prevent this from continuing.



Yes, as expected, the proposal didn't pass - and it shouldn?t have in that form, but we, as a community have made a stand. It?s a start!



Saul





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Sent: 02 June 2017 01:52 PM

To: announce at afrinic.net<mailto:announce at afrinic.net>

Subject: [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa



Dear Colleagues,



2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th African Internet Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June 2017, issue the following statement:



We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns ordered by Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional disruptions of Internet or electronic communications, rendering them inaccessible or effectively unusable, for a specific population or within a location for specified or unspecified periods of time. African territories accounted for many of the 56 Internet shutdowns recorded globally in 2016.



We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor solutions to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral damages on society and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access to information were unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights Council in 2016.



We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g. expression, association, access to knowledge and education) recognized both in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and entrepreneurs. Various studies have highlighted the high costs of Internet shutdowns on country?s GDPs. In a context where economic growth relies increasingly on Internet access, as reaffirmed in the UN Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns can generate long-lasting and costly effects on society and on user trust.



We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by some members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable solution to this issue. While we share the same concerns as theproposals authors and welcome the community dialogue this has generated, we think this proposed policy will likely be ineffective and could create unintended damages



We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement, and would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the proposal. We are also concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way that will worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might also impact citizen?s ability to access the Internet beyond the government entities targeted by the proposal.



Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful dialogue with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have legitimate concerns related to Internet use and that they have obligations related to national security and public order.



In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to WORK with African governments and other stakeholders to find better solutions that do not hurt the fundamental rights of citizens and that protect the Internet?s stability, resilience and openness.



???????????



[In French]



Chers coll?gues,



D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE

2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis lors du 5?me Sommet Internet Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai au 2 juin 2017, ?met la d?claration suivante:

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures d'Internet ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les fermetures Internet sont des perturbations intentionnelles de l'Internet ou des communications ?lectroniques, les rendant inaccessibles ou inutilisables, pour une population sp?cifique ou dans un lieu pour des p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non sp?cifi?es. Les territoires africains ont subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts Internet enregistr?s globalement en 2016.

Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y compris ceux qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les r?seaux et infrastructures entiers, les int?ruptions intentionnelles de l?Internet ou acc?s aux services d'application mobile, dans tous les contextes tels que les ?lections, les manifestations ou les tensions sociales. Les fermetures offrent des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes complexes et ont montr? qu'ils g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur la soci?t? et l'?conomie. Les interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s ? l'information ont ?t? condamn?es sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des droits de l'homme de l'ONU en 2016.

Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des fermetures d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les droits des citoyens (expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ? l'?ducation) reconnus ? la fois dans la D?claration universelle des droits de l'homme et dans la Charte africaine des droits de l'homme et des peuples,  ils ont ?galement des r?percussions sur les entreprises et les entrepreneurs. Diverses ?tudes ont mis en ?vidence les co?ts ?lev?s des fermetures d'Internet sur le PIB du pays. Dans un contexte o? la croissance ?conomique repose de plus en plus sur l'acc?s ? Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda de d?veloppement durable des Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent g?n?rer des effets durables et co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la confiance des utilisateurs.

Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les fermetures d?Internet propos?e par certains membres de la communaut? AFRINIC offrira une solution durable ? ce probl?me. Alors que nous partageons les m?mes pr?occupations que les auteurs de la politique et que nous nous f?licitons du dialogue communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous pensons que cette politique sera probablement inefficace et pourrait cr?er des dommages ind?sirables.

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait difficile ? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son mandat technique et de son expertise, comme l'a soulign? l'?valuation de la proposition par le personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous sommes ?galement pr?occup?s par le fait que cette proposition pourrait opposer les gouvernements d'une mani?re qui aggravera la situation dans son ensemble. Enfin, la proposition pourrait ?galement avoir une incidence sur la capacit? des citoyens ? acc?der ? Internet au-del? des entit?s gouvernementales vis?es par la proposition.

Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ? renoncer ? utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil politique et ? engager un dialogue significatif avec les parties prenantes. Nous COMPRENONS que les gouvernements ont des pr?occupations l?gitimes li?es ? l'utilisation d'Internet et qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ? la s?curit? nationale et ? l'ordre public.

Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont disponibles pour TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et d'autres parties prenantes pour trouver de meilleures solutions qui ne nuisent pas aux droits fondamentaux des citoyens et qui prot?gent la stabilit?, la r?silience et l'ouverture de l'Internet.



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From: Noah [mailto:noah at neo.co.tz]
Sent: 04 June 2017 11:15 AM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

Dear Community,

I thank the Af* for their bold statement.

Meanwhilen kindly read the reaction of Vint Cerf (Father of Internet ) on the Anti-Shutdown draft policy.

The link is below...

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/t_P4WZgYj3z40moHGCwrYy2TgXA<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/t_P4WZgYj3z40moHGCwrYy2TgXA>

This is why the numbering community ought to be mindful of such proposals.

Cheers,

Noah

On 2 Jun 2017 3:03 p.m., "AFRINIC Communications" <comms-announce at afrinic.net<mailto:comms-announce at afrinic.net>> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,

2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th African Internet Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May ? 2 June 2017, issue the following statement:


We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns ordered by Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional disruptions of Internet or electronic communications, rendering them inaccessible or effectively unusable, for a specific population or within a location for specified or unspecified periods of time. African territories accounted for many of the 56 Internet shutdowns recorded globally in 2016.

We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor solutions to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral damages on society and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access to information were unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights Council in 2016.

We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g. expression, association, access to knowledge and education) recognized both in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and entrepreneurs. Various studies have highlighted the high costs of Internet shutdowns on country?s GDPs. In a context where economic growth relies increasingly on Internet access, as reaffirmed in the UN Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns can generate long-lasting and costly effects on society and on user trust.

We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by some members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable solution to this issue. While we share the same concerns as theproposals authors and welcome the community dialogue this has generated, we think this proposed policy will likely be ineffective and could create unintended damages

We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement, and would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as highlighted by AFRINIC staff?s assessment of the proposal. We are also concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way that will worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might also impact citizen?s ability to access the Internet beyond the government entities targeted by the proposal.

Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful dialogue with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have legitimate concerns related to Internet use and that they have obligations related to national security and public order.

In the spirit of the WSIS Tunis Agenda, the Af* are available to WORK with African governments and other stakeholders to find better solutions that do not hurt the fundamental rights of citizens and that protect the Internet?s stability, resilience and openness.

???????????

[In French]

Chers coll?gues,

D?CLARATION COMMUNE DES AF* SUR LES FERMETURES D?INTERNET EN AFRIQUE

2 juin 2017 Nairobi - Les organisations Af *, compos?es de AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT et ISOC Africa r?unis lors du 5?me Sommet Internet Africain, ? Nairobi, Kenya, du 21 mai au 2 juin 2017, ?met la d?claration suivante:

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le nombre croissant de fermetures d'Internet ordonn?es par les gouvernements en Afrique. Les fermetures Internet sont des perturbations intentionnelles de l'Internet ou des communications ?lectroniques, les rendant inaccessibles ou inutilisables, pour une population sp?cifique ou dans un lieu pour des p?riodes sp?cifiques ou non sp?cifi?es. Les territoires africains ont subi plusieurs des 56 arr?ts Internet enregistr?s globalement en 2016.

Nous sommes CONTRE  toutes formes de fermeture d? Internet, y compris ceux qui ont un impact sur les r?seaux sociaux, les r?seaux et infrastructures entiers, les int?ruptions intentionnelles de l?Internet ou acc?s aux services d'application mobile, dans tous les contextes tels que les ?lections, les manifestations ou les tensions sociales. Les fermetures offrent des solutions m?diocres aux probl?mes complexes et ont montr? qu'ils g?n?raient des dommages collat?raux sur la soci?t? et l'?conomie. Les interruptions intentionnelles de l'acc?s ? l'information ont ?t? condamn?es sans ?quivoque par le Conseil des droits de l'homme de l'ONU en 2016.

Nous VOULONS ATTIRER VOTRE ATTENTION SUR les effets n?gatifs des fermetures d?Internet. Non seulement ils ont un impact sur les droits des citoyens (expression, association, acc?s au savoir et ? l'?ducation) reconnus ? la fois dans la D?claration universelle des droits de l'homme et dans la Charte africaine des droits de l'homme et des peuples,  ils ont ?galement des r?percussions sur les entreprises et les entrepreneurs. Diverses ?tudes ont mis en ?vidence les co?ts ?lev?s des fermetures d'Internet sur le PIB du pays. Dans un contexte o? la croissance ?conomique repose de plus en plus sur l'acc?s ? Internet, comme r?affirm? sur l?agenda de d?veloppement durable des Nations Unies, les fermetures peuvent g?n?rer des effets durables et co?teux sur la soci?t? et sur la confiance des utilisateurs.

Nous NE PENSONS PAS que la proposition de politique sur les fermetures d?Internet propos?e par certains membres de la communaut? AFRINIC offrira une solution durable ? ce probl?me. Alors que nous partageons les m?mes pr?occupations que les auteurs de la politique et que nous nous f?licitons du dialogue communautaire que cela a g?n?r?, nous pensons que cette politique sera probablement inefficace et pourrait cr?er des dommages ind?sirables.

Nous sommes PR?OCCUP?S par le fait qu'une telle proposition serait difficile ? mettre en ?uvre et que AFRINIC serait au-del? de son mandat technique et de son expertise, comme l'a soulign? l'?valuation de la proposition par le personnel d?AFRINIC. Nous sommes ?galement pr?occup?s par le fait que cette proposition pourrait opposer les gouvernements d'une mani?re qui aggravera la situation dans son ensemble. Enfin, la proposition pourrait ?galement avoir une incidence sur la capacit? des citoyens ? acc?der ? Internet au-del? des entit?s gouvernementales vis?es par la proposition.

Au lieu de cela, nous APPELONS les gouvernements africains ? renoncer ? utilser la fermeture Internet en tant qu'outil politique et ? engager un dialogue significatif avec les parties prenantes. Nous COMPRENONS que les gouvernements ont des pr?occupations l?gitimes li?es ? l'utilisation d'Internet et qu'ils ont des obligations li?es ? la s?curit? nationale et ? l'ordre public.

Dans l'esprit de l'Agenda du WSIS de Tunis, les Af* sont disponibles pour TRAVAILLER avec les gouvernements africains et d'autres parties prenantes pour trouver de meilleures solutions qui ne nuisent pas aux droits fondamentaux des citoyens et qui prot?gent la stabilit?, la r?silience et l'ouverture de l'Internet.

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From axel50397 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 14:30:08 2017
From: axel50397 at gmail.com (Adnan RIHAN)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 07:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Theresa May says the internet must now be
 regulated following London Bridge terror attack
In-Reply-To: <0cbb667c-9719-29c2-2845-47dbae211e6c@lsl.digital>
References: <DM5PR20MB13247C4E69CDAF1D640C97D7BFCA0@DM5PR20MB1324.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
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Great?

I can?t understand how they?re not seeing that there is no 100% efficient
way to eradicate or reduce terrorism ???!!!

If they touch the Internet Freedom, as it won?t only bother terrorists but
also legitimate users, including power users, cryptographers, and related.

The consequences will be: Another solution to protect privacy will come out
and guess what? Usable by terrorists, and the loop the go again.

Anyway, we have nothing to say, except maybe trying to get involved in ?
Fight For The Future ?.
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Tue Jun  6 18:19:22 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:19:22 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD 39,199 in 2016*
compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired and written off during the
year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation was
expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.


The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is
defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over
members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the
recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.


Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Noah
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 07:25:08 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 08:25:08 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>

On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:
>
>
> On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>     2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD
>>     39,199 in 2016* compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired
>>     and written off during the year meaning we are not managing our
>>     collections. This situation was expected to improve but that
>>     doesn't seem to be the case.
>
>     The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you
>     see, is defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC
>     has no control over members going out of business. It does not
>     make sense to pursue the recovery of such small amounts using the
>     legal option.
>
>
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business 
> it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for 
> re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I 
> couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>
> Noah

Hello Noah,

The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide 
the requested information.

Thanks.

Sunday.


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From madomey at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  7 09:18:24 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:18:24 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB6PR06MB30624C3994DAA6DC216D2455B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Sunday,

While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to understand that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on vacation. Isn?t there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?

Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the registration service would have this information handy.

Kind regards



Marcus


________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
To: Noah
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:


On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to USD 39,199 in 2016 compared to 2015 : USD 26,098, were impaired and written off during the year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation was expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.

Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Noah

Hello Noah,

The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide the requested information.

Thanks.

Sunday.



--
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 09:38:44 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:38:44 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR06MB30624C3994DAA6DC216D2455B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>
 <DB6PR06MB30624C3994DAA6DC216D2455B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a472c795-cd4d-dd43-eb22-59af9de06248@gmail.com>

Dear Marcus,


Normal emails from members meant for registration services are usually 
channeled through the ticketing system, and not the Board.


This particular issue, is addressed to the Chair and the Board.

It is my style as Chair, not to reach beyond the CEO into the organization.


Kind Regards ...


Sunday.


On 07/06/2017 10:18, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
>
> Hi Sunday,
>
> While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to 
> understand that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on 
> vacation. Isn?t there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?
>
> Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the 
> registration service would have this information handy.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
> *To:* Noah
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual 
> Financial Statements 2016
> On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>     2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD
>>>     39,199 in 2016* compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired
>>>     and written off during the year meaning we are not managing our
>>>     collections. This situation was expected to improve but that
>>>     doesn't seem to be the case.
>>
>>     The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199
>>     you see, is defaults from members who went out of business.
>>     AFRINIC has no control over members going out of business. It
>>     does not make sense to pursue the recovery of such small amounts
>>     using the legal option.
>>
>>
>> Hi Chair,
>>
>> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business 
>> it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>>
>> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for 
>> re-allocation/assignment?
>>
>> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I 
>> couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>>
>> Noah
>
> Hello Noah,
>
> The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide 
> the requested information.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
> Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng,sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------

-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From madomey at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  7 10:44:24 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:44:24 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <a472c795-cd4d-dd43-eb22-59af9de06248@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>
 <DB6PR06MB30624C3994DAA6DC216D2455B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
 <a472c795-cd4d-dd43-eb22-59af9de06248@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB6PR06MB30629D2F0DF67E2AA11CEF87B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Sunday,

I agree with you that the CEO is the interface between the Board and the operation. The point I am making has nothing to do with your ?style as Chair? which is the normal way a board functions. Rather I am concerned with the business continuity of AfriNIC. In the absence of the CEO, business continuity requires another interface (acting CEO) who can provide any information required by the board.

Agree with me that that halting business processes because of one person is not the right way to go and something must be done about it.

Kind Regards



Marcus


________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:38:44 AM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey; Noah
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016


Dear Marcus,


Normal emails from members meant for registration services are usually channeled through the ticketing system, and not the Board.

This particular issue, is addressed to the Chair and the Board.


It is my style as Chair, not to reach beyond the CEO into the organization.


Kind Regards ...


Sunday.

On 07/06/2017 10:18, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
Hi Sunday,

While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to understand that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on vacation. Isn?t there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?

Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the registration service would have this information handy.

Kind regards



Marcus

________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
To: Noah
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:


On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to USD 39,199 in 2016 compared to 2015 : USD 26,098, were impaired and written off during the year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation was expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.

Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Noah

Hello Noah,

The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide the requested information.

Thanks.

Sunday.



--
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
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--
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 11:46:02 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 12:46:02 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR06MB30629D2F0DF67E2AA11CEF87B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFi3HFUr6=ykg7zNxCd9D2a7q0GCb80JFqTZaR8hmYAojKt7VA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Marcus,

I do not see what is halted here. The CEO deserves his rest.

You asked for information and I have committed to providing it.

Regarding the organization, we did report to the AGMM that the board is
working on an HR structure/compensation review.

The role of the board is to assure a fine balance between efficiency and
costs. I do not think that a week is fatal for the requested info.

Please be patient.

Sunday.




On Jun 7, 2017 11:44, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sunday,



I agree with you that the CEO is the interface between the Board and the
operation. The point I am making has nothing to do with your ?style as
Chair? which is the normal way a board functions. Rather I am concerned
with the business continuity of AfriNIC. In the absence of the CEO,
business continuity requires another interface (acting CEO) who can provide
any information required by the board.



Agree with me that that halting business processes because of one person is
not the right way to go and something must be done about it.



Kind Regards






Marcus

------------------------------
*From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:38:44 AM
*To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey; Noah

*Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
Financial Statements 2016


Dear Marcus,


Normal emails from members meant for registration services are usually
channeled through the ticketing system, and not the Board.

This particular issue, is addressed to the Chair and the Board.

It is my style as Chair, not to reach beyond the CEO into the organization.


Kind Regards ...


Sunday.

On 07/06/2017 10:18, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:

Hi Sunday,



While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to understand
that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on vacation. Isn?t
there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?



Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the
registration service would have this information handy.



Kind regards






Marcus

------------------------------
*From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> <sfolayan at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
*To:* Noah
*Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
Financial Statements 2016

On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:



On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD 39,199 in 2016*
compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired and written off during the
year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation was
expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.


The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is
defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over
members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the
recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.


Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Noah


Hello Noah,

The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide the
requested information.

Thanks.

Sunday.


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
---------------------------------------------------


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From madomey at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  7 11:55:57 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:55:57 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFUr6=ykg7zNxCd9D2a7q0GCb80JFqTZaR8hmYAojKt7VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
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 <b450a2c2-75e1-6836-b55c-4f43c72bd698@gmail.com>
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 <a472c795-cd4d-dd43-eb22-59af9de06248@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DB6PR06MB30620EF272FA450127A074F5B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Sunday,

You are still missing the point I was making. In all the cases let us end this here. Enjoy your day!!!

Cheers


Marcus



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________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:46:02 AM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey
Cc: AfriNIC Discuss; General Discussions of AFRINIC; Noah
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

Hi Marcus,

I do not see what is halted here. The CEO deserves his rest.

You asked for information and I have committed to providing it.

Regarding the organization, we did report to the AGMM that the board is working on an HR structure/compensation review.

The role of the board is to assure a fine balance between efficiency and costs. I do not think that a week is fatal for the requested info.

Please be patient.

Sunday.




On Jun 7, 2017 11:44, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Sunday,

I agree with you that the CEO is the interface between the Board and the operation. The point I am making has nothing to do with your ?style as Chair? which is the normal way a board functions. Rather I am concerned with the business continuity of AfriNIC. In the absence of the CEO, business continuity requires another interface (acting CEO) who can provide any information required by the board.

Agree with me that that halting business processes because of one person is not the right way to go and something must be done about it.

Kind Regards



Marcus


________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:38:44 AM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey; Noah

Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016


Dear Marcus,


Normal emails from members meant for registration services are usually channeled through the ticketing system, and not the Board.

This particular issue, is addressed to the Chair and the Board.


It is my style as Chair, not to reach beyond the CEO into the organization.


Kind Regards ...


Sunday.

On 07/06/2017 10:18, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
Hi Sunday,

While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to understand that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on vacation. Isn?t there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?

Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the registration service would have this information handy.

Kind regards



Marcus

________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
To: Noah
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:


On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to USD 39,199 in 2016 compared to 2015 : USD 26,098, were impaired and written off during the year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation was expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.

Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Noah

Hello Noah,

The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide the requested information.

Thanks.

Sunday.



--
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
---------------------------------------------------


--
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Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
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From mctimconsulting at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 11:59:28 2017
From: mctimconsulting at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:59:28 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR06MB30629D2F0DF67E2AA11CEF87B9C80@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree with the Chair here.

It is entirely appropriate that the Chair does not task staff for data in
this case.

Regards,

McTim

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Sunday,
>
>
>
> I agree with you that the CEO is the interface between the Board and the
> operation. The point I am making has nothing to do with your ?style as
> Chair? which is the normal way a board functions. Rather I am concerned
> with the business continuity of AfriNIC. In the absence of the CEO,
> business continuity requires another interface (acting CEO) who can provide
> any information required by the board.
>
>
>
> Agree with me that that halting business processes because of one person
> is not the right way to go and something must be done about it.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:38:44 AM
> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey; Noah
>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
> Financial Statements 2016
>
>
> Dear Marcus,
>
>
> Normal emails from members meant for registration services are usually
> channeled through the ticketing system, and not the Board.
>
> This particular issue, is addressed to the Chair and the Board.
>
> It is my style as Chair, not to reach beyond the CEO into the organization.
>
>
> Kind Regards ...
>
>
> Sunday.
>
> On 07/06/2017 10:18, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
>
> Hi Sunday,
>
>
>
> While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to understand
> that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on vacation. Isn?t
> there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?
>
>
>
> Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the
> registration service would have this information handy.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
> *To:* Noah
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
> Financial Statements 2016
>
> On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD 39,199 in
> 2016* compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired and written off
> during the year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation
> was expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.
>
>
> The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is
> defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over
> members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the
> recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.
>
>
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
> means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
> re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
> find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>
> Noah
>
>
> Hello Noah,
>
> The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide the
> requested information.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 12:00:53 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 13:00:53 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFVRtvTjpk8XrYi7R3zRDBiqy-m2hkMEohqhmOn5daz3-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I appreciate it. Enjoy your day too.

Thank you.

Sunday.



On Jun 7, 2017 12:55 PM, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Sunday,

You are still missing the point I was making. In all the cases let us end
this here. Enjoy your day!!!

Cheers


Marcus



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------------------------------
*From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:46:02 AM

*To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey
*Cc:* AfriNIC Discuss; General Discussions of AFRINIC; Noah

*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
Financial Statements 2016

Hi Marcus,

I do not see what is halted here. The CEO deserves his rest.

You asked for information and I have committed to providing it.

Regarding the organization, we did report to the AGMM that the board is
working on an HR structure/compensation review.

The role of the board is to assure a fine balance between efficiency and
costs. I do not think that a week is fatal for the requested info.

Please be patient.

Sunday.




On Jun 7, 2017 11:44, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sunday,



I agree with you that the CEO is the interface between the Board and the
operation. The point I am making has nothing to do with your ?style as
Chair? which is the normal way a board functions. Rather I am concerned
with the business continuity of AfriNIC. In the absence of the CEO,
business continuity requires another interface (acting CEO) who can provide
any information required by the board.



Agree with me that that halting business processes because of one person is
not the right way to go and something must be done about it.



Kind Regards






Marcus

------------------------------
*From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:38:44 AM
*To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey; Noah

*Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
Financial Statements 2016


Dear Marcus,


Normal emails from members meant for registration services are usually
channeled through the ticketing system, and not the Board.

This particular issue, is addressed to the Chair and the Board.

It is my style as Chair, not to reach beyond the CEO into the organization.


Kind Regards ...


Sunday.

On 07/06/2017 10:18, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:

Hi Sunday,



While I can accept that the matter is not so urgent, I fail to understand
that AfriNIC cannot provide an answer because the CEO is on vacation. Isn?t
there proper delegation of authority as would be expected?



Even then, as this is related to resources, one would assume the
registration service would have this information handy.



Kind regards






Marcus

------------------------------
*From:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> <sfolayan at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:25:08 AM
*To:* Noah
*Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual
Financial Statements 2016

On 06/06/2017 19:19, Noah wrote:



On 1 Jun 2017 3:40 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD 39,199 in 2016*
compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired and written off during the
year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation was
expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.


The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is
defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over
members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the
recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.


Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Noah


Hello Noah,

The CEO is on a short vacation. As soon as he returns, I shall provide the
requested information.

Thanks.

Sunday.


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
---------------------------------------------------


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz  Wed Jun  7 13:10:31 2017
From: dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz (Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:10:31 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <c19cbf0537faa6486ba9d58461b71480@techsupport.co.tz>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
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Message-ID: <1bdaac089fb6675e7c637a17cb6ed1b6@techsupport.co.tz>

 

Dear Chair,

Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Daniel

On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
> Dear Chair,
> 
> Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
> the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
> collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
> AFRINIC charges members. 
> 
> Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
> published as well? 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Daniel 
> 
> On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>>>
>>>> Mzee Noah,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>>>>
>>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>>>>
>>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>>
>> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>> right to query ??
>>
>>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>>>> Financials.
>>
>> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>>
>> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>> maybe needs to be updated
>>
>>>>
>>
>> BN.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

 
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 13:43:44 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:43:44 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <1bdaac089fb6675e7c637a17cb6ed1b6@techsupport.co.tz>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
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 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
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Message-ID: <e3691d7e-b084-4955-6f63-bb1e663e85e5@gmail.com>

Dear Daniel,

My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did 
not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...

1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year.

         2014 - 34%

         2015 - 25%

         2016 - 20%

         2017 - 16%

2. Revenue from Late penalties

         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.

         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue

         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue

         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue

3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017

         Education & Research Institutions - 4%

         Government and Government Agencies - 5%

         Other Resource Members - 91%

So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.

I hope the above answers your questions.

Kind regards ...

Sunday Folayan.

Chair, AFRINIC Board.


On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
> Dear Chair,
>
> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
> > Dear Chair,
> >
> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
> > AFRINIC charges members.
> >
> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
> > published as well?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Mzee Noah,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
> >>
> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
> >> right to query ??
> >>
> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
> >>>> Financials.
> >>
> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
> >>
> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
> >> maybe needs to be updated
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> BN.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
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Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Wed Jun  7 14:18:34 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:18:34 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
	Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <e3691d7e-b084-4955-6f63-bb1e663e85e5@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
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 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
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Message-ID: <9B8BC6CE-7CAE-4CEA-A7AE-3383101E5FEA@hussein.me.ke>

Dear all

Allow me to interject. 

We are creating a dangerous precedence of engaging the Afrinic Board on operational matters. There must be a clear separation of Executive roles and Board roles. This is simply good corporate governance. It's also important to protect the board from claims of interference in day to day running of the Organisation.

Having said that I concur with members concerns about Business Continuity. Towards that I propose that appropriate members of respective departments at Afrinic be empowered to respond to respective queries pertaining to the operations of the organization.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Daniel,
> 
> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
> 
> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year. 
>         2014 - 34%
> 
>         2015 - 25%
> 
>         2016 - 20%
> 
>         2017 - 16%
> 
> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
> 
>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
> 
>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
> 
>         Other Resource Members - 91%
> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
> I hope the above answers your questions.
> 
> Kind regards ...
> 
> Sunday Folayan.
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
> 
>> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> Dear Chair,
>> 
>> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> > Dear Chair,
>> > 
>> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
>> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>> > AFRINIC charges members. 
>> > 
>> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>> > published as well? 
>> > 
>> > Regards, 
>> > 
>> > Daniel 
>> > 
>> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Mzee Noah,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>> >>
>> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>> >> right to query ??
>> >>
>> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>> >>>> Financials.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>> >>
>> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>> >> maybe needs to be updated
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >> BN.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Wed Jun  7 14:33:26 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:33:26 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <9B8BC6CE-7CAE-4CEA-A7AE-3383101E5FEA@hussein.me.ke>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
 <CAEqgTWZRANOY2zmxnpo-W6o5r0i7XKgGfhfcO9Fm2NQh773PRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
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 <9B8BC6CE-7CAE-4CEA-A7AE-3383101E5FEA@hussein.me.ke>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWad_QFdikMFA9P_U=O5mqYORzL_nR=Dm8YmcdCBL4uBuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hussein

The Financial Statement is public and am not not sure if you spent time to
read through it.

The questions that the membership/community have asked here are based on
the same Financial Statement that was publicly published.

This same financial statement has to go through board approval and the
board before approval shares this information with the public and
membership for transparency and the questions that are raised from the
 membership/community are as result of what has been read and scrutinized
either on the mailing list or the public AGMM meeting like the one we had
in Nairobi when the board and the entire membership/community went through
this financials.

What is wrong with that.?

Noah

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

> Dear all
>
> Allow me to interject.
>
> We are creating a dangerous precedence of engaging the Afrinic Board on
> operational matters. There must be a clear separation of Executive roles
> and Board roles. This is simply good corporate governance. It's also
> important to protect the board from claims of interference in day to day
> running of the Organisation.
>
> Having said that I concur with members concerns about Business Continuity.
> Towards that I propose that appropriate members of respective departments
> at Afrinic be empowered to respond to respective queries pertaining to the
> operations of the organization.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did
> not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>
> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year.
>
>         2014 - 34%
>
>         2015 - 25%
>
>         2016 - 20%
>
>         2017 - 16%
>
> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>
>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>
>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>
>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>
>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>
> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>
>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>
>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>
>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>
> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>
> I hope the above answers your questions.
>
> Kind regards ...
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>
> Dear Chair,
>
> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
> > Dear Chair,
> >
> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
> > AFRINIC charges members.
> >
> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
> > published as well?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com> <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Mzee Noah,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
> >>
> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
> >> right to query ??
> >>
> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
> >>>> Financials.
> >>
> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
> >>
> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
> >> maybe needs to be updated
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> BN.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing listCommunity-Discuss at afrinic.nethttps://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>


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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 14:36:46 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 15:36:46 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <9B8BC6CE-7CAE-4CEA-A7AE-3383101E5FEA@hussein.me.ke>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
 <CAEqgTWZRANOY2zmxnpo-W6o5r0i7XKgGfhfcO9Fm2NQh773PRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
 <CAGDMR_cmUW40Etpef3QXUnNp49zpTey7cFLVgaAxxhcQmhhS5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <9B8BC6CE-7CAE-4CEA-A7AE-3383101E5FEA@hussein.me.ke>
Message-ID: <c6b4daf3-887c-e075-92e9-bc78c32ef36b@gmail.com>

Dear Ali and All,

For the records, those figures were given to me by the CEO. I did not 
overreach him. Look at the thread, the Finance Director did respond at 
some point.

Sunday.

On 07/06/2017 15:18, Ali Hussein wrote:
> Dear all
>
> Allow me to interject.
>
> We are creating a dangerous precedence of engaging the Afrinic Board 
> on operational matters. There must be a clear separation of Executive 
> roles and Board roles. This is simply good corporate governance. It's 
> also important to protect the board from claims of interference in day 
> to day running of the Organisation.
>
> Having said that I concur with members concerns about Business 
> Continuity. Towards that I propose that appropriate members of 
> respective departments at Afrinic be empowered to respond to 
> respective queries pertaining to the operations of the organization.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act 
> but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Daniel,
>>
>> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I 
>> did not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>>
>> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year.
>>
>>         2014 - 34%
>>
>>         2015 - 25%
>>
>>         2016 - 20%
>>
>>         2017 - 16%
>>
>> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>>
>>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>>
>>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>>
>>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>>
>>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>>
>> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>>
>>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>>
>>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>>
>>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>>
>> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>>
>> I hope the above answers your questions.
>>
>> Kind regards ...
>>
>> Sunday Folayan.
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>>
>> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>> Dear Chair,
>>>
>>> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>> > Dear Chair,
>>> >
>>> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
>>> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>>> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>>> > AFRINIC charges members.
>>> >
>>> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>>> > published as well?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Daniel
>>> >
>>> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan<sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Mzee Noah,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>>> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>>> >> right to query ??
>>> >>
>>> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>>> >>>> Financials.
>>> >>
>>> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>>> >>
>>> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>>> >> maybe needs to be updated
>>> >>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> BN.
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> >>Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> >>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>> -- 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>> Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng,sfolayan at gmail.com
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net  Wed Jun  7 14:37:28 2017
From: Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net (Omo Oaiya)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 15:37:28 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <e3691d7e-b084-4955-6f63-bb1e663e85e5@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
 <CAEqgTWZRANOY2zmxnpo-W6o5r0i7XKgGfhfcO9Fm2NQh773PRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
 <CAGDMR_cmUW40Etpef3QXUnNp49zpTey7cFLVgaAxxhcQmhhS5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <0FA62A91-93BF-4CA5-8F26-94023584D9A0@nftconsult.com>
 <c19cbf0537faa6486ba9d58461b71480@techsupport.co.tz>
 <1bdaac089fb6675e7c637a17cb6ed1b6@techsupport.co.tz>
 <e3691d7e-b084-4955-6f63-bb1e663e85e5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1eoi0qC6tnWqp7aYLttUH_jXEbuBvAqYo3kO5GvX=LNKqsNg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for this Chair.    I will add my appreciation to the Board's prompt
response to the issue Ayitey raised.

I am however a bit unclear on #3 - "Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017"

Does it mean that the percentages next to the groups had not paid invoices
as at March 2017 or that these are figures for those that that paid?

Best wishes
Omo

On 7 June 2017 at 14:43, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Daniel,
>
> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did
> not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>
> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year.
>
>         2014 - 34%
>
>         2015 - 25%
>
>         2016 - 20%
>
>         2017 - 16%
>
> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>
>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>
>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>
>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>
>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>
> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>
>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>
>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>
>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>
> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>
> I hope the above answers your questions.
>
> Kind regards ...
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>
> Dear Chair,
>
> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
> > Dear Chair,
> >
> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
> > AFRINIC charges members.
> >
> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
> > published as well?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com> <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Mzee Noah,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
> >>
> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
> >> right to query ??
> >>
> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
> >>>> Financials.
> >>
> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
> >>
> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
> >> maybe needs to be updated
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> BN.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing listCommunity-Discuss at afrinic.nethttps://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <0802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <0816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>


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From dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz  Wed Jun  7 14:38:35 2017
From: dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz (Murungi Daniel)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:38:35 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
	Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <e3691d7e-b084-4955-6f63-bb1e663e85e5@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <f3016b1e-1f8b-789f-6f87-ad480a1e34d7@skannet.com>
 <CAEqgTWZRANOY2zmxnpo-W6o5r0i7XKgGfhfcO9Fm2NQh773PRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
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Message-ID: <cf83e73e-5af2-493e-9eda-d77f2e3c3aad@techsupport.co.tz>

Dear Sunday,

Many thanks for the timely reply.

Regards,
Daniel

?Sent from My mobile device

On 7 Jun 2017, 4:43 p.m., at 4:43 p.m., Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>Dear Daniel,
>
>My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did
>
>not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>
>1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year.
>
>         2014 - 34%
>
>         2015 - 25%
>
>         2016 - 20%
>
>         2017 - 16%
>
>2. Revenue from Late penalties
>
>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>
>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>
>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>
>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>
>3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>
>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>
>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>
>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>
>So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>
>I hope the above answers your questions.
>
>Kind regards ...
>
>Sunday Folayan.
>
>Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
>On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> Dear Chair,
>>
>> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> > Dear Chair,
>> >
>> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed
>through
>> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>> > AFRINIC charges members.
>> >
>> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>> > published as well?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Mzee Noah,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>> >>
>> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have
>the
>> >> right to query ??
>> >>
>> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>> >>>> Financials.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>> >>
>> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance
>but
>> >> maybe needs to be updated
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >> BN.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------
>Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>Managing Director
>General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 14:50:16 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 15:50:16 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAG1eoi0qC6tnWqp7aYLttUH_jXEbuBvAqYo3kO5GvX=LNKqsNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAEqgTWZRANOY2zmxnpo-W6o5r0i7XKgGfhfcO9Fm2NQh773PRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
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Message-ID: <00d1d955-2b4e-9c4b-4c4e-a0b1a485f3a3@gmail.com>

Dear Omo,

Those are the 372 members who have not paid as at March 31 2017, broken 
down by the groups (Education, Government, Others). They will be billed 
a minimum of 5% penalty depending on when they finally settle their 
invoices.

The revision being proposed herein by the Board is effective 2018 
Financial year.

Thanks.

Sunday.

On 07/06/2017 15:37, Omo Oaiya wrote:
> Thanks for this Chair.    I will add my appreciation to the Board's 
> prompt response to the issue Ayitey raised.
>
> I am however a bit unclear on #3 - "Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 
> 2017"
>
> Does it mean that the percentages next to the groups had not paid 
> invoices as at March 2017 or that these are figures for those that 
> that paid?
>
> Best wishes
> Omo
>
> On 7 June 2017 at 14:43, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Daniel,
>
>     My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas
>     I did not. I am truly sorry. Here goes ...
>
>     1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each
>     year.
>
>             2014 - 34%
>
>             2015 - 25%
>
>             2016 - 20%
>
>             2017 - 16%
>
>     2. Revenue from Late penalties
>
>             2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>
>             2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>
>             2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>
>             2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>
>     3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>
>             Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>
>             Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>
>             Other Resource Members - 91%
>
>     So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>
>     I hope the above answers your questions.
>
>     Kind regards ...
>
>     Sunday Folayan.
>
>     Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
>     On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>     Dear Chair,
>>
>>     Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Daniel
>>
>>     On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>     > Dear Chair,
>>     >
>>     > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
>>     > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>>     > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>>     > AFRINIC charges members.
>>     >
>>     > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>>     > published as well?
>>     >
>>     > Regards,
>>     >
>>     > Daniel
>>     >
>>     > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>     >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan<sfolayan at skannet.com> <mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>>     >>>
>>     >>>> Mzee Noah,
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>>     >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>>     >>
>>     >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>>     >> right to query ??
>>     >>
>>     >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>>     >>>> Financials.
>>     >>
>>     >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>>     >>
>>     >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>>     >> maybe needs to be updated
>>     >>
>>     >>>>
>>     >>
>>     >> BN.
>>     >> _______________________________________________
>>     >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>     >>Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>>     >>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>     <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Community-Discuss mailing list
>>     Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>     <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
>
>     -- 
>     --------------------------------------------------
>     Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>     Managing Director
>     General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>     16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>     Phone:+234 802 291 2202 <tel:0802%20291%202202>,+234 816 866 7523 <tel:0816%20866%207523>
>     Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>,sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
>     ---------------------------------------------------
>
>     _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss
>     mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>     <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>     <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> 
>
> -- 
> Omo Oaiya CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN Mobile: +234 808 888 1571 
> <tel:0808%20888%201571> , +221 784 305 224 Skype: 
> kodionhttp://www.wacren.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Wed Jun  7 15:08:57 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:08:57 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
	Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWad_QFdikMFA9P_U=O5mqYORzL_nR=Dm8YmcdCBL4uBuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAEqgTWZRANOY2zmxnpo-W6o5r0i7XKgGfhfcO9Fm2NQh773PRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <07f189ee-a2ec-3605-d29c-495a68b9448c@skannet.com>
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Message-ID: <0E3B2DD9-CB00-4846-AB73-3618053B344E@hussein.me.ke>

Noah

We are saying the same thing.

Mine is to just remind us of the slippery slop of engaging the Chair of the Board in operational matters. 

I've also said that there may be a flaw (key word being 'may') in the way executive responds to queries.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Jun 2017, at 5:33 PM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hussein
> 
> The Financial Statement is public and am not not sure if you spent time to read through it.
> 
> The questions that the membership/community have asked here are based on the same Financial Statement that was publicly published.
> 
> This same financial statement has to go through board approval and the board before approval shares this information with the public and membership for transparency and the questions that are raised from the  membership/community are as result of what has been read and scrutinized either on the mailing list or the public AGMM meeting like the one we had in Nairobi when the board and the entire membership/community went through this financials.
> 
> What is wrong with that.?
> 
> Noah 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>> Dear all
>> 
>> Allow me to interject. 
>> 
>> We are creating a dangerous precedence of engaging the Afrinic Board on operational matters. There must be a clear separation of Executive roles and Board roles. This is simply good corporate governance. It's also important to protect the board from claims of interference in day to day running of the Organisation.
>> 
>> Having said that I concur with members concerns about Business Continuity. Towards that I propose that appropriate members of respective departments at Afrinic be empowered to respond to respective queries pertaining to the operations of the organization.
>> 
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> Hussein & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113 
>> 
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> 
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Daniel,
>>> 
>>> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>>> 
>>> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year. 
>>>         2014 - 34%
>>> 
>>>         2015 - 25%
>>> 
>>>         2016 - 20%
>>> 
>>>         2017 - 16%
>>> 
>>> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>>> 
>>>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>>>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>>>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>>>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>>> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>>>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>>> 
>>>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>>> 
>>>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>>> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>>> I hope the above answers your questions.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards ...
>>> 
>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>> 
>>>> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>>> Dear Chair,
>>>> 
>>>> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>>> > Dear Chair,
>>>> > 
>>>> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
>>>> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>>>> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>>>> > AFRINIC charges members. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>>>> > published as well? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Regards, 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Daniel 
>>>> > 
>>>> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>>> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Mzee Noah,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>>>> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>>>> >> right to query ??
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>>>> >>>> Financials.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>>>> >> maybe needs to be updated
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BN.
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ./noah
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Wed Jun  7 15:52:42 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:52:42 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <0E3B2DD9-CB00-4846-AB73-3618053B344E@hussein.me.ke>
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Message-ID: <CAEqgTWaM7-gO72OXnsQ1=dRK5YDijOWn7dx6Ug-oiaU18=Yq8A@mail.gmail.com>

+1 Ali

Questions still have to be asked and answers have to be given.

Noah

On 7 Jun 2017 6:09 p.m., "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

> Noah
>
> We are saying the same thing.
>
> Mine is to just remind us of the slippery slop of engaging the Chair of
> the Board in operational matters.
>
> I've also said that there may be a flaw (key word being 'may') in the way
> executive responds to queries.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 5:33 PM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
> Hi Hussein
>
> The Financial Statement is public and am not not sure if you spent time to
> read through it.
>
> The questions that the membership/community have asked here are based on
> the same Financial Statement that was publicly published.
>
> This same financial statement has to go through board approval and the
> board before approval shares this information with the public and
> membership for transparency and the questions that are raised from the
>  membership/community are as result of what has been read and scrutinized
> either on the mailing list or the public AGMM meeting like the one we had
> in Nairobi when the board and the entire membership/community went through
> this financials.
>
> What is wrong with that.?
>
> Noah
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> Allow me to interject.
>>
>> We are creating a dangerous precedence of engaging the Afrinic Board on
>> operational matters. There must be a clear separation of Executive roles
>> and Board roles. This is simply good corporate governance. It's also
>> important to protect the board from claims of interference in day to day
>> running of the Organisation.
>>
>> Having said that I concur with members concerns about Business
>> Continuity. Towards that I propose that appropriate members of respective
>> departments at Afrinic be empowered to respond to respective queries
>> pertaining to the operations of the organization.
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>> *Principal*
>> *Hussein & Associates*
>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
>> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Daniel,
>>
>> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did
>> not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>>
>> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year.
>>
>>         2014 - 34%
>>
>>         2015 - 25%
>>
>>         2016 - 20%
>>
>>         2017 - 16%
>>
>> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>>
>>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>>
>>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>>
>>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>>
>>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>>
>> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>>
>>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>>
>>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>>
>>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>>
>> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>>
>> I hope the above answers your questions.
>>
>> Kind regards ...
>>
>> Sunday Folayan.
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>
>> Dear Chair,
>>
>> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> > Dear Chair,
>> >
>> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
>> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>> > AFRINIC charges members.
>> >
>> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>> > published as well?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com> <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Mzee Noah,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>> >>
>> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>> >> right to query ??
>> >>
>> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>> >>>> Financials.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>> >>
>> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>> >> maybe needs to be updated
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >> BN.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing listCommunity-Discuss at afrinic.nethttps://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *./noah*
>
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Wed Jun  7 17:19:17 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 20:19:17 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
	Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWaM7-gO72OXnsQ1=dRK5YDijOWn7dx6Ug-oiaU18=Yq8A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <006D4205-CDD9-4A50-B378-B8F82CD02042@hussein.me.ke>

Absolutely.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Jun 2017, at 6:52 PM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> 
> +1 Ali
> 
> Questions still have to be asked and answers have to be given.
> 
> Noah
> 
>> On 7 Jun 2017 6:09 p.m., "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>> Noah
>> 
>> We are saying the same thing.
>> 
>> Mine is to just remind us of the slippery slop of engaging the Chair of the Board in operational matters. 
>> 
>> I've also said that there may be a flaw (key word being 'may') in the way executive responds to queries.
>> 
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> Hussein & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113 
>> 
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> 
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 7 Jun 2017, at 5:33 PM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Hussein
>>> 
>>> The Financial Statement is public and am not not sure if you spent time to read through it.
>>> 
>>> The questions that the membership/community have asked here are based on the same Financial Statement that was publicly published.
>>> 
>>> This same financial statement has to go through board approval and the board before approval shares this information with the public and membership for transparency and the questions that are raised from the  membership/community are as result of what has been read and scrutinized either on the mailing list or the public AGMM meeting like the one we had in Nairobi when the board and the entire membership/community went through this financials.
>>> 
>>> What is wrong with that.?
>>> 
>>> Noah 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>> Dear all
>>>> 
>>>> Allow me to interject. 
>>>> 
>>>> We are creating a dangerous precedence of engaging the Afrinic Board on operational matters. There must be a clear separation of Executive roles and Board roles. This is simply good corporate governance. It's also important to protect the board from claims of interference in day to day running of the Organisation.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said that I concur with members concerns about Business Continuity. Towards that I propose that appropriate members of respective departments at Afrinic be empowered to respond to respective queries pertaining to the operations of the organization.
>>>> 
>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>> Principal
>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>> +254 0713 601113 
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>> 
>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I did not. I am truly sorry.  Here goes ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each year. 
>>>>>         2014 - 34%
>>>>> 
>>>>>         2015 - 25%
>>>>> 
>>>>>         2016 - 20%
>>>>> 
>>>>>         2017 - 16%
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>>>>> 
>>>>>         2014 - $98,329     [352 members]    3% of Total Revenue.
>>>>>         2015 - $119,395   [215 members]    3% of Total Revenue
>>>>>         2016 - $165,193  [340 members]     3% of Total Revenue
>>>>>         2017 - $170,000  [372 members]     4% of Total revenue
>>>>> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>>>>>         Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>>>>> 
>>>>>         Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>>>>> 
>>>>>         Other Resource Members - 91%
>>>>> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in 2017.
>>>>> I hope the above answers your questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Chair,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>>>>>> > Dear Chair,
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed through
>>>>>> > the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>>>>>> > collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>>>>>> > AFRINIC charges members. 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016 be
>>>>>> > published as well? 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Regards, 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Daniel 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>>>>> >>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Mzee Noah,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>>>>>> >>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have the
>>>>>> >> right to query ??
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>>>>>> >>>> Financials.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance but
>>>>>> >> maybe needs to be updated
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> BN.
>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>>>> Managing Director
>>>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>>>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> ./noah
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From amelnaud at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 15:02:09 2017
From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:02:09 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <006D4205-CDD9-4A50-B378-B8F82CD02042@hussein.me.ke>
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Thanks Chair, for your response.

CEO appointment announcement (*) reads:


27 March 2015, ?b?ne:  AFRINIC?s Board of Directors today announced the
appointment of Mr Alan Barrett as the new Chief Executive Officer (CEO). Mr
Barrett replaces AFRINIC?s founding CEO, Adiel A. Akplogan, and will assume
the role on 20 April 2015 for an initial three-year term.


It means the CEO served for 8 months in 2015. Humm!  Are you saying the CEO
worked for 3 full months without payment?

----------------------------
(*) https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1351-announcement-alan-barrett-
appointed-as-afrinic-ceo

Regards

Arnaud


Le 1 juin 2017 12:40, "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Dear Noah,
> Find interlaced, my response to your questions.
>
> On 25/05/2017 01:20, Noah wrote:
>
> Hello Board Chair,
>
> While going through this approved Financial Statements by the Board, I
> have noted concerns that needs some clarifications.
>
> 1. Total emoluments and other benefits given to directors by the Company
> during the year *2016 were 164.72*  compared to *74.49 in 2015 a 221%
> increase in spend on directors*.
>
> Can I ask the reason for such an Increase and can the membership have a
> breakdown of this figure made public.
>
>
> There was no increase, neither is there a breakdown to give. The CEO was
> only fully remunerated in 2016 (12 Months). CEO was only paid for 5 months
> in 2015.
>
>
> 2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD 39,199 in
> 2016* compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired and written off
> during the year meaning we are not managing our collections. This situation
> was expected to improve but that doesn't seem to be the case.
>
>
> The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you see, is
> defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC has no control over
> members going out of business. It does not make sense to pursue the
> recovery of such small amounts using the legal option.
>
>
> Can I get some clarifications considering in Gaborone when I tasked the
> board for explain, the board indicated the situation would improve.
>
>
> There you are!
>
>
>
> Noah
>
>
> Sunday Folayan.
> Chair, AFRINIC Board
>
>
>
>
>
> Noah
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:58 AM, AFRINIC Communication <
> comm-announce at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> AFRINIC is pleased to advise that the Annual Financial Statements for the
>> financial year to December 2016 is now available at:
>> https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/Unsigned_AFS_2016.pdf
>>
>> Kindly take note that, at its meeting on the 19th April 2017, AFRINIC
>> Board approved the Audited Financial Statements as presented (board
>> resolution 201704.332  - https://www.afrinic.net/about/
>> bod/meeting/2017#r332).
>>
>> All the required signatures are being assembled and once completed, a
>> fully signed and complete set of 2016 Audited Financial Statements together
>> with the signed External Auditors reports and Opinions shall be published.
>>
>> As per the bylaws Section 7.6  the audited financial statement will be
>> presented at the AGMM on 1 June 2017, for adoption by the members.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Announce mailing list
>> Announce at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *./noah*
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing listCommunity-Discuss at afrinic.nethttps://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 17:00:30 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:00:30 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
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Hi Arnaud,

I am not saying he worked for free. There is no free lunch even in Freetown.

 From 20th April to end of July 2015, the CEO's pay was accounted for, 
as consulting fees because he did not have a work permit as at then.

 From August to the end of the year, his pay was accounted for as 
payment to a Director.

Kind Regards ...

Sunday.

On 08/06/2017 16:02, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> Thanks Chair, for your response.
>
> CEO appointment announcement (*) reads:
>
>
> 27 March 2015, ?b?ne:  AFRINIC?s Board of Directors today announced 
> the appointment of Mr Alan Barrett as the new Chief Executive Officer 
> (CEO). Mr Barrett replaces AFRINIC?s founding CEO, Adiel A. Akplogan, 
> and will assume the role on 20 April 2015 for an initial three-year term.
>
>
> It means the CEO served for 8 months in 2015. Humm!  Are you saying 
> the CEO worked for 3 full months without payment?
>
> ----------------------------
> (*) 
> https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1351-announcement-alan-barrett-appointed-as-afrinic-ceo 
> <https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1351-announcement-alan-barrett-appointed-as-afrinic-ceo>
>
> Regards
>
> Arnaud
>
>
> Le 1 juin 2017 12:40, "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
>
>     Dear Noah,
>
>     Find interlaced, my response to your questions.
>
>     On 25/05/2017 01:20, Noah wrote:
>>     Hello Board Chair,
>>
>>     While going through this approved Financial Statements by the
>>     Board, I have noted concerns that needs some clarifications.
>>
>>     1. Total emoluments and other benefits given to directors by the
>>     Company during the year *2016 were 164.72*  compared to *74.49 in
>>     2015 a 221% increase in spend on directors*.
>>
>>     Can I ask the reason for such an Increase and can the membership
>>     have a breakdown of this figure made public.
>
>     There was no increase, neither is there a breakdown to give. The
>     CEO was only fully remunerated in 2016 (12 Months). CEO was only
>     paid for 5 months in 2015.
>
>>
>>     2. At 31 December 2016, trade receivables amounting to *USD
>>     39,199 in 2016* compared to *2015 : USD 26,098*, were impaired
>>     and written off during the year meaning we are not managing our
>>     collections. This situation was expected to improve but that
>>     doesn't seem to be the case.
>
>     The Fees collection situation indeed improved, but the $39,199 you
>     see, is defaults from members who went out of business. AFRINIC
>     has no control over members going out of business. It does not
>     make sense to pursue the recovery of such small amounts using the
>     legal option.
>
>>
>>     Can I get some clarifications considering in Gaborone when I
>>     tasked the board for explain, the board indicated the situation
>>     would improve.
>>
>
>     There you are!
>
>
>>
>>     Noah
>>
>
>     Sunday Folayan.
>     Chair, AFRINIC Board
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Noah
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:58 AM, AFRINIC Communication
>>     <comm-announce at afrinic.net <mailto:comm-announce at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>         AFRINIC is pleased to advise that the Annual Financial
>>         Statements for the financial year to December 2016 is now
>>         available at:
>>         https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/Unsigned_AFS_2016.pdf
>>         <https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/Unsigned_AFS_2016.pdf>
>>
>>         Kindly take note that, at its meeting on the 19th April 2017,
>>         AFRINIC Board approved the Audited Financial Statements as
>>         presented (board resolution 201704.332  -
>>         https://www.afrinic.net/about/bod/meeting/2017#r332
>>         <https://www.afrinic.net/about/bod/meeting/2017#r332>).
>>
>>         All the required signatures are being assembled and once
>>         completed, a fully signed and complete set of 2016 Audited
>>         Financial Statements together with the signed External
>>         Auditors reports and Opinions shall be published.
>>
>>         As per the bylaws Section 7.6  the audited financial
>>         statement will be presented at the AGMM on 1 June 2017, for
>>         adoption by the members.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         _______________________________________________
>>         Announce mailing list
>>         Announce at afrinic.net <mailto:Announce at afrinic.net>
>>         https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce
>>         <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/announce>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     *./noah*
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Community-Discuss mailing list
>>     Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>     <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
>
>     -- 
>     --------------------------------------------------
>     Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>     Managing Director
>     General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>     16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>     Phone:+234 802 291 2202 <tel:+234%20802%20291%202202>,+234 816 866 7523 <tel:+234%20816%20866%207523>
>     Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>,sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
>     ---------------------------------------------------
>
>     _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss
>     mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>     <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>     <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> 
>
-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 17:05:13 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:05:13 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's
	Conduct
In-Reply-To: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>

Dear Community,

In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, 
AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.

During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from 
Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.

Mr Alston, has admittedhaving made the improper remarks, the subject 
matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the 
Board.

Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the 
Board that Mr Alstonhas privately apologized to him.

The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of 
the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.

This is for the information of the Community.

Kind Regards,

Sunday Folayan.

Chair, AFRINIC Board.


On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
> Dear Community,
>
> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which 
> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017, 
> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>
> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved 
> in the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected 
> member of the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to 
> verbal molestation and humiliation.
>
> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does 
> not take into consideration the diversity in the community and 
> acceptable norms within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>
> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community 
> will be informed of the outcome.
>
> Sunday Folayan
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
>
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
> Email:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng,sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------

-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Sunday Adekunle Folayan
Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
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From dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz  Thu Jun  8 18:40:59 2017
From: dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz (Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 21:40:59 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
 Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <2122e51a-0e41-e2a3-9619-998c07426899@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f740c1adc49c6531837d63928422b8da@techsupport.co.tz>

 

Dear Sunday,

I will await Alan's reply. 

Good evening.

Regards,
Daniel

On 2017-06-08 17:43, Sunday Folayan wrote:
> Dear Daniel,
> 
> Alan (CCed) will respond to this, when he resumes.
> 
> Kind Regards ...
> 
> Sunday.
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2017 13:02, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Where do the penalty fees go if not in the membership renewal incomes, in other words, where do you use the penalties?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 2017-06-07 17:51, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>> > You are welcome sir.
>> > Sunday.
>> >
>> > On 07/06/2017 15:38, Murungi Daniel wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Sunday,
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for the timely reply.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Daniel
>> >>
>> >> Sent from My mobile device
>> >> On 7 Jun 2017, at 4:43 p.m., Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Daniel,
>> >>
>> >> My apologies, I thought I had responded to your request, but alas I
>> >> did not. I am truly sorry. Here goes ...
>> >>
>> >> 1. Members who did not settle their bills as at Q1 March of each
>> >> year.
>> >>
>> >> 2014 - 34%
>> >>
>> >> 2015 - 25%
>> >>
>> >> 2016 - 20%
>> >>
>> >> 2017 - 16%
>> >>
>> >> 2. Revenue from Late penalties
>> >>
>> >> 2014 - $98,329 [352 members] 3% of Total Revenue.
>> >>
>> >> 2015 - $119,395 [215 members] 3% of Total Revenue
>> >>
>> >> 2016 - $165,193 [340 members] 3% of Total Revenue
>> >>
>> >> 2017 - $170,000 [372 members] 4% of Total revenue
>> >>
>> >> 3. Analyses of unpaid as at Q1 March 2017
>> >>
>> >> Education & Research Institutions - 4%
>> >>
>> >> Government and Government Agencies - 5%
>> >>
>> >> Other Resource Members - 91%
>> >>
>> >> So, From 34% default in 2014, we are now down to 16% default in
>> >> 2017.
>> >>
>> >> I hope the above answers your questions.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards ...
>> >>
>> >> Sunday Folayan.
>> >>
>> >> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>> >>
>> >> On 07/06/2017 14:10, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Chair,
>> >>
>> >> Polite reminder. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Daniel
>> >>
>> >> On 2017-05-31 13:32, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi wrote:
>> >>> Dear Chair,
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope all is well with you and the rest of the team. I skimmed
>> >> through
>> >>> the 2016 financial statement and I see that from the revenue
>> >>> collected, there is no clear indication regarding the penalties
>> >>> AFRINIC charges members.
>> >>>
>> >>> Can the total amount of penalty fees for the financial year 2016
>> >> be
>> >>> published as well?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Daniel
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2017-05-26 08:39, Badru Ntege wrote:
>> >>>>> 2017-05-25 8:13 GMT+00:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mzee Noah,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks for your wishes.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Do not confuse the rights to see, discuss and query.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Because we are transparent and a public institution, the public
>> >>>>>> has the right to see, the public has the right to discuss.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm I reading this wrong or does it say the public does not have
>> >> the
>> >>>> right to query ??
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> Members however have the right to query any details in the
>> >>>>>> Financials.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Interesting boundaries being set here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I really like the concept of Bottom up processes and governance
>> >> but
>> >>>> maybe needs to be updated
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BN.
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss [1]
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss [1]
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> >> Managing Director
>> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>> >> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Community-Discuss mailing list
>> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss [1]
>> >
>> > --
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> > Managing Director
>> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>> > Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>> > ---------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

 
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Thu Jun  8 18:51:32 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 21:51:32 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] AFRINIC Annual Financial
	Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <f740c1adc49c6531837d63928422b8da@techsupport.co.tz>
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> On 8 Jun 2017, at 21:40, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi <dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sunday,
> 
> I will await Alan's reply. 

> >> Where do the penalty fees go if not in the membership renewal incomes, in other words, where do you use the penalties?


Penalty fees go into the general funds, just like other fees.  The general funds are used for AFRINIC?s operations.

Alan Barrett




From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Fri Jun  9 07:19:06 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 00:19:06 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR03MB1794E5B75D99FF6C718C1113EECB0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurpr
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References: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170609001618.0c5bb9f0@elandnews.com>

Hi Andrew,
At 05:23 06-06-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>I believe that the NRO actually already publishes a report - I don't 
>know how detailed it is - but what I personally would like to see 
>from AFRINIC is to say "We funded our

I found the following: 
https://conference.apnic.net/43/program/schedule/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 07:28:25 2017
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:28:25 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170609001618.0c5bb9f0@elandnews.com>
References: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD_dc6h0+B1UuzwyGcxz+9V9eOyn4xcuQhdEphLn-L6hASWLtQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's same with what is presented at AIS see here:

https://internetsummitafrica.org/agenda#day-2017-06-01

Regards


On 9 Jun 2017 8:20 AM, <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> At 05:23 06-06-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
>> I believe that the NRO actually already publishes a report - I don't know
>> how detailed it is - but what I personally would like to see from AFRINIC
>> is to say "We funded our
>>
>
> I found the following: https://conference.apnic.net/4
> 3/program/schedule/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From benjamin.eshun at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 11:24:02 2017
From: benjamin.eshun at gmail.com (Benjamin Eshun)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 11:24:02 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMiHrTDwjvsVS5Nkokt51+KSj4=WxUkzHkCRxNSNaG2ySPH9hg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sunday,

Thank you for the information.

Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
Incident ?

How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?

Thanks

Benjamin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, AFRINIC
> board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>
> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>
> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
> Board.
> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>
> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>
> This is for the information of the Community.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>
> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
> molestation and humiliation.
>
> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>
> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will be
> informed of the outcome.
>
> Sunday Folayan
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From mje at posix.co.za  Fri Jun  9 12:20:22 2017
From: mje at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:20:22 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CAMiHrTDwjvsVS5Nkokt51+KSj4=WxUkzHkCRxNSNaG2ySPH9hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
 <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ad65fe98-1579-050a-9e7f-1d54d74be9e6@posix.co.za>

I'm sorry, but what is to investigate? Ben from Liquid stated that he
was going to initiate a partial shutdown of the Internet for
demonstration purposes (to demonstrate what it felt like) for the
duration of his talk on "Internet Shutdowns" policy. He kept to his
word. This was obviously planned in advance. The Internet then came back
on. I thought this was a perfect demonstration.

As for redundancy, Liquid had three separate 10Gbps fibres coming into
the Hotels data room - each running separate routes. As a techie - I
went and eye-balled this myself (I was accompanied). Apart from one room
(Tango) where someone closed a window and damaged the UTP cable to the
WiFi access point - I never experienced any unplanned interruptions from
an Internet prospective. Also, 30Gbps is the highest amount of bandwidth
I've ever seen at an AfriNIC meeting, something rather to be applauded
for. The connectivity back to other parts of Africa was also superb.
then again, they do have the best (including IPv6) Internet presence
across Africa.

You should applaud them too for the great job they did, so they continue
to bring their bandwidth to our Af* meetings. Please don't cut off your
nose to spite your face.


On 09/06/2017 13:24, Benjamin Eshun wrote:
> Dear Sunday,
>
> Thank you for the information.
>
> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
> Incident ? 
>
> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Benjamin
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com
> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Community,
>
>     In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>     AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under
>     reference.
>
>     During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained
>     from Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the
>     incident.
>
>     Mr Alston, has admittedhaving made the improper remarks, the
>     subject matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent
>     apology to the Board.
>
>     Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman
>     of the Board that Mr Alstonhas privately apologized to him.
>
>     The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the
>     nature of the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>
>     This is for the information of the Community.
>
>     Kind Regards,
>
>     Sunday Folayan.
>
>     Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
>     On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>     Dear Community,
>>
>>     The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident
>>     which occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday
>>     27 May 2017, where AIS 2017 is being held.
>>
>>     It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was
>>     involved in the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior
>>     and respected member of the African Internet community was
>>     allegedly subjected to verbal molestation and humiliation.
>>
>>     The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that
>>     does not take into consideration the diversity in the community
>>     and acceptable norms within African societies and will not
>>     condone such acts.
>>
>>     The above incident is being further investigated and the
>>     Community will be informed of the outcome.
>>
>>     Sunday Folayan
>>
>>     Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     --------------------------------------------------
>>     Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>     Managing Director
>>     General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>     16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>     Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <tel:+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <tel:+234%20816%20866%207523>
>>     Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
>>     ---------------------------------------------------
>
>     -- 
>     --------------------------------------------------
>     Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>     Managing Director
>     General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>     16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>     Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <tel:+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <tel:+234%20816%20866%207523>
>     Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
>     ---------------------------------------------------
>
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 12:24:54 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 13:24:54 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CAMiHrTDwjvsVS5Nkokt51+KSj4=WxUkzHkCRxNSNaG2ySPH9hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
 <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>
 <CAMiHrTDwjvsVS5Nkokt51+KSj4=WxUkzHkCRxNSNaG2ySPH9hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFi3HFWoVf_K4rx4664N6qT61Asg16Rf1+dTUo_nE56z6zt2YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Benjamin,

There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested the
dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.

An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
the community closed the matter then.

The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
from Nairobi.

Cheers.

Sunday.


On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sunday,

Thank you for the information.

Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
Incident ?

How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?

Thanks

Benjamin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, AFRINIC
> board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>
> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>
> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
> Board.
> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>
> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>
> This is for the information of the Community.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>
> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
> molestation and humiliation.
>
> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>
> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will be
> informed of the outcome.
>
> Sunday Folayan
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From afahounko at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 17:31:27 2017
From: afahounko at gmail.com (Danny)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:31:27 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFWoVf_K4rx4664N6qT61Asg16Rf1+dTUo_nE56z6zt2YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
 <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>
 <CAMiHrTDwjvsVS5Nkokt51+KSj4=WxUkzHkCRxNSNaG2ySPH9hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFi3HFWoVf_K4rx4664N6qT61Asg16Rf1+dTUo_nE56z6zt2YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+DA2xpa96ry1b3jbGXnx26myxOVvkJE5srs8N4Hf5YtA-0EtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mark,

Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?


Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.

I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
management in their thank you message.

Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a
second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have
been avoided.

Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
such premeditated situations.

Thanks.

2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>:

> Dear Benjamin,
>
> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>
> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
> the community closed the matter then.
>
> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
> from Nairobi.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Sunday,
>
> Thank you for the information.
>
> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
> Incident ?
>
> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Benjamin
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>>
>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>
>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>> Board.
>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>
>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>
>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Sunday Folayan.
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
>> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>>
>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
>> molestation and humiliation.
>>
>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>>
>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
>> be informed of the outcome.
>>
>> Sunday Folayan
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 <+234%20816%20866%207523>
>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>
>>
>
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>
>
>
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 17:41:48 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 21:41:48 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CA+DA2xpa96ry1b3jbGXnx26myxOVvkJE5srs8N4Hf5YtA-0EtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
 <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>
 <CAMiHrTDwjvsVS5Nkokt51+KSj4=WxUkzHkCRxNSNaG2ySPH9hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFi3HFWoVf_K4rx4664N6qT61Asg16Rf1+dTUo_nE56z6zt2YQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+DA2xpa96ry1b3jbGXnx26myxOVvkJE5srs8N4Hf5YtA-0EtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2017-06-09 21:31 GMT+04:00 Danny <afahounko at gmail.com>:

> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.
>
> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
> internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a
> second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have
> been avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
> such premeditated situations.
>


Ah yes, and local host shall run 3 paralel connecton to Europe including
incline satellite C-band.
Ah wait! they should also buy all attendee 5G model with 5GB data in case
thing still fail.


-- 
Borg le Chevalier
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 17:47:59 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 21:47:59 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
In-Reply-To: <c45c46ca-6c2b-9a85-952e-c075cc81bea4@gmail.com>
References: <AAE83BFF-D0A8-4D86-ADB2-C05AE63FFC23@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWYdn8QhhVkmrW4yxwx7sRCMCeXEO8Vje-DNDpnpH+KYiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <0bd301d2ddca$78bb9fa0$6a32dee0$@enetworks.co.za>
 <c45c46ca-6c2b-9a85-952e-c075cc81bea4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5aO8d5Hsd6-s-Y-hOEFn6gM-ofRp+Q7+8anmXVv-FkC7rHqg@mail.gmail.com>

2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>:

> We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
> survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
> anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member
> who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to
> keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.
>



>
> One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
> would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for
> the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
> community to concrete outcomes.
>

But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list show
how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more caught up in
'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose rather than have
intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.





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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Fri Jun  9 17:52:37 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 17:52:37 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CA+DA2xpa96ry1b3jbGXnx26myxOVvkJE5srs8N4Hf5YtA-0EtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
 <1e3cfcc8-46b9-a23b-2729-f2ceae03e7ec@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <57225A18-0CF8-4F01-8962-9AAE7F0F7F84@liquidtelecom.com>

You complain because it is abuse ? that is what we say about governments shutting down the Internet
You say it was unnecessary ? but your complaining about it is illustrating the exact point we wished to make ? shutdowns hurt ? shutdowns upset people ? shutdowns are abusive ? shutdowns are bad for business.  You are very clearly demonstrating everything we are saying about shutdowns.

As for the 2 hour outage ? router failure ? well ? not exactly ? someone unplugged it? and further more ? irrespective of multiple providers ? BGP at AIS meetings is announced from a central router ? and if said router dies ? it?s not going to help much ? especially if it dies after someone unplugs it LOL

And by the way ? there was always the option for another provider to be there ? unfortunately ? one of the providers you mentioned declined on the basis that they wanted exclusivity, something that the provider at the conference never requested or suggested.

But, Danny, I just want to thank both you and Seun for so clearly illustrating the point of how damaging shutdowns are and how they upset people ? it is hugely appreciated ? had that shutdown happened and no one had complained or noticed ? well, it wouldn?t have gone very far to illustrating the point.  Much appreciated.

Andrew

From: Danny <afahounko at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 9 June 2017 at 20:31
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

Dear Mark,

Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have   demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?


Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.

I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top management in their thank you message.

Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2 service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been avoided.

Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after such premeditated situations.

Thanks.

2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>:
Dear Benjamin,

There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.

An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought the community closed the matter then.

The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn from Nairobi.

Cheers.

Sunday.


On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.eshun at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Sunday,

Thank you for the information.

Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the Incident ?

How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?

Thanks
Benjamin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Community,
In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the Board.
Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
This is for the information of the Community.
Kind Regards,
Sunday Folayan.
Chair, AFRINIC Board.

On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Dear Community,

The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017, where AIS 2017 is being held.

It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal molestation and humiliation.

The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms within African societies and will not condone such acts.

The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will be informed of the outcome.

Sunday Folayan

Chair, AFRINIC Board.




--

--------------------------------------------------

Sunday Adekunle Folayan

Managing Director

General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)

16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria

Phone: +234 802 291 2202<tel:+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523<tel:+234%20816%20866%207523>

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Phone: +234 802 291 2202<tel:+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523<tel:+234%20816%20866%207523>

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From mctimconsulting at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 17:56:33 2017
From: mctimconsulting at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 13:56:33 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CA+DA2xpa96ry1b3jbGXnx26myxOVvkJE5srs8N4Hf5YtA-0EtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

I disagree.

I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
demonstrate what
that was like, and no one batted an eye.

I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political courage.

The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
off, they made that point quite well I think.



Regards,

McTim




> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after such
> premeditated situations.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Dear Benjamin,
>>
>> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
>> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>>
>> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
>> the community closed the matter then.
>>
>> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
>> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
>> from Nairobi.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
>> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
>> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the Incident
>> ?
>>
>> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>>>
>>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>>
>>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>>
>>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>>
>>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
>>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017, where
>>> AIS 2017 is being held.
>>>
>>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
>>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
>>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal molestation
>>> and humiliation.
>>>
>>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
>>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
>>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>>>
>>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
>>> be informed of the outcome.
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
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From nishal at controlfreak.co.za  Fri Jun  9 18:35:00 2017
From: nishal at controlfreak.co.za (Nishal Goburdhan)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:35:00 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <CA+DA2xpa96ry1b3jbGXnx26myxOVvkJE5srs8N4Hf5YtA-0EtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 09 Jun 2017, at 19:31, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2 service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been avoided.

that?s quite incorrect.  speaking as the NOC person who diagnosed the fault, the outage was due to a hardware fault that was induced by the hotel staff.
(and it was not the only outage, created by hotel staff during the event either!).  there is no indication that this would not have otherwise occured, since, we would most likely, still have used the same device as a border router.
if nothing else, the liquid team were extremely helpful in sourcing another router - JNPR QFXs don?t exactly grow on trees - and getting it onsite from across town in *less than 1 hour*, in peak nairobi traffic.
and then leaving it onsite, as a contingency, for the rest of the event.

it?s sad that this sort of goodwill doesn?t seem to make it onto this mailing list;  just the uninformed criticism  :-(


> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider 

right?.just like how this was the case for AIS-16, AIS-15, AIS-14, [?]   

oh.

wait.

...


don?t let your regular disdain for andrew, detract you from the *excellent* job that the liquid team did with providing bandwidth, hardware, and support for the event.  as someone that?s done more than a few NOC shifts, for these events, i can tell you that they were a tremendous help this time!

?n.


From sfolayan at skannet.com  Fri Jun  9 20:28:14 2017
From: sfolayan at skannet.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 21:28:14 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
In-Reply-To: <CAH5aO8d5Hsd6-s-Y-hOEFn6gM-ofRp+Q7+8anmXVv-FkC7rHqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAE83BFF-D0A8-4D86-ADB2-C05AE63FFC23@afrinic.net>
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On 09/06/2017 18:47, Chevalier du Borg wrote:
>
> 2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:honest1989 at gmail.com>>:
>
>     We ended up with this statement because this community is
>     resilient and survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the
>     authors of the anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately
>     included a board member who somehow failed to recognise that their
>     fiduciary duties extended to keeping the PDP on scope and
>     protecting its credibility.
>
>     One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the
>     board would engage other AF* organisations and create the
>     appropriate forum for the community to discuss the Internet
>     shutdown issues and lead this community to concrete outcomes.
>
>
> But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list 
> show how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more 
> caught up in 'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose 
> rather than have intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.

Just for the records: AfriNIC Ltd did organize these at AIS '17:

1. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/158-ais17-daily-recap-2
The AfGWG-16 Meeting saw several government officials, regulators and 
law enforcement agencies gather on Monday 29 May from 10:00 am to 3.00 
pm. It was a closed session.

2. 
https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/161-ais-17-daily-recap-3-30-may
Panel on Internet Shutdown
This session was held with the objective to demystify Internet Shutdown 
in Africa and view it with the lens of different stakeholders in the 
region. Panelists representing various stakeholder groups (Technical 
Community, Business Community, Civil Society, and Government) discussed 
the topic.
The panel consisted of:
     1. Moderator and Academia: Prof Nii Quaynor - Ghana
     2. AFRINIC and Technical representative and Business, Mr Sunday 
Folayan - Nigeria
     3. Dr Ch?rif Diallo, Ministry of ICT - Senegal
     4. Government ARPCE, Luc Missidimbazi - Congo
     5. KICTANET & Civil Society, Grace Githaiga - Kenya
     6. Civil Society, Kathleen Ndongmo - Cameroon
     7. Communication Authority of Kenya, Mr Vincent Ngundi - Kenya

Watch the video of this session at : 
https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/participate-remotely/internet-shutdown



Sunday.
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From ismail at tispa.or.tz  Fri Jun  9 20:27:38 2017
From: ismail at tispa.or.tz (Ismail Settenda)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 23:27:38 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
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+1

I too disagree it was abuse...a painful example maybe but if it is good
manners you advocating for then lets first be appreciative then complain.

As it is I didnt see any email apperiacating the speed and good internet
beforehand ... then not escalate things needlessly..!

Regards
--
Ismail



On 9 June 2017 at 20:56, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Mark,
> >
> > Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.
>
> I disagree.
>
> I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
> demonstrate what
> that was like, and no one batted an eye.
>
> I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political
> courage.
>
> The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
> off, they made that point quite well I think.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> McTim
>
>
>
>
> > What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> > demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
> >
> >
> > Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> > event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
> >
> > I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> > management in their thank you message.
> >
> > Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> > service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can
> bring
> > into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
> internet
> > was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> > provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> > avoided.
> >
> > Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
> such
> > premeditated situations.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear Benjamin,
> >>
> >> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
> >> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
> >>
> >> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I
> thought
> >> the community closed the matter then.
> >>
> >> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and
> address
> >> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
> >> from Nairobi.
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> Sunday.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Sunday,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the information.
> >>
> >> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
> >> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
> >> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
> Incident
> >> ?
> >>
> >> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Benjamin
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Community,
> >>>
> >>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
> >>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under
> reference.
> >>>
> >>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
> >>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
> >>>
> >>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
> >>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
> >>> Board.
> >>>
> >>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of
> the
> >>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
> >>>
> >>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature
> of
> >>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
> >>>
> >>> This is for the information of the Community.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Sunday Folayan.
> >>>
> >>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Community,
> >>>
> >>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
> >>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
> where
> >>> AIS 2017 is being held.
> >>>
> >>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved
> in
> >>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected
> member of
> >>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
> molestation
> >>> and humiliation.
> >>>
> >>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does
> not
> >>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable
> norms
> >>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
> >>>
> >>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
> >>> be informed of the outcome.
> >>>
> >>> Sunday Folayan
> >>>
> >>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> >>> Managing Director
> >>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> >>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> >>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
> >>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> >>> Managing Director
> >>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> >>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> >>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
> >>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list
> >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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> >>
> >>
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From ismail at tispa.or.tz  Fri Jun  9 20:34:30 2017
From: ismail at tispa.or.tz (Ismail Settenda)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 23:34:30 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
Message-ID: <CA+tgvaWNKO3A4n=CKpDjadB=0pgPMLxQY-AS=t64d6B2NHTB3g@mail.gmail.com>

Really, on whose behalf are you speaking, I certainly didn't think Andrew
is horrible.

I suspect the issue is more in this saying I think I saw at the Jo'burg
Airport..?If you want to go quickly, go alone. If you want to go far, go
together.?.

I don't think Andrew fully appreciates this statement IMHO, and I think if
he did he would get more support for his ideas which are pretty good.

However the water have been churned let's see what happens on the global
level...its looking better on the front...(-:.

Best regards

----
Ismail
Skype/Twitter/G+: ismailmss

On Jun 9, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chevalier du Borg" <virtual.borg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>:
>
>> We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
>> survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
>> anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member
>> who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to
>> keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
>> would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for
>> the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
>> community to concrete outcomes.
>>
>
> But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list show
> how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more caught up in
> 'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose rather than have
> intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Borg le Chevalier
> ___________________________________
> "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
>
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Fri Jun  9 21:46:46 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 21:46:46 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
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Members

I would like to ask that we close this thread. The main objective of the AIS17 event was that we had a successful workshop week. We also had an engaging meeting week.

The organisation had challenges but besides all challenges the community came together discussed, and ended the meeting at a positive note.

We are all continuously learning to make sure that the next event is better. Sometimes we will get it wrong, a reminder that we are human.

Tolerance of our diversity and trust for each other is what has built this strong community. At times we will strain this equilibrium but ultimately we all have the best intentions.

I ask that we look at all the good and positive outcomes, and learn from where we  collectively failed as we look forward to meet as a unified community in both Nigeria and Senegal.

Regards
Badru



Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Jun 2017, at 23:36, Ismail Settenda <ismail at tispa.or.tz<mailto:ismail at tispa.or.tz>> wrote:

+1

I too disagree it was abuse...a painful example maybe but if it is good manners you advocating for then lets first be appreciative then complain.

As it is I didnt see any email apperiacating the speed and good internet beforehand ... then not escalate things needlessly..!

Regards
--
Ismail

[https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B-WIT8x-vTBbNUloejlOa2YzUGhYMTV3MlF5dUZsODlDS1BZ&export=download]

On 9 June 2017 at 20:56, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com<mailto:mctimconsulting at gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com<mailto:afahounko at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

I disagree.

I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
demonstrate what
that was like, and no one batted an eye.

I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political courage.

The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
off, they made that point quite well I think.



Regards,

McTim




> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after such
> premeditated situations.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> Dear Benjamin,
>>
>> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
>> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>>
>> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
>> the community closed the matter then.
>>
>> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
>> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
>> from Nairobi.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com<mailto:benjamin.eshun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
>> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
>> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the Incident
>> ?
>>
>> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>>>
>>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>>
>>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>>
>>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>>
>>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
>>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017, where
>>> AIS 2017 is being held.
>>>
>>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
>>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
>>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal molestation
>>> and humiliation.
>>>
>>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
>>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
>>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>>>
>>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
>>> be informed of the outcome.
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202<tel:%2B234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523<tel:%2B234%20816%20866%207523>
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202<tel:%2B234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523<tel:%2B234%20816%20866%207523>
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Fri Jun  9 21:58:50 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 00:58:50 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
 Member's Conduct
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On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:


>  The community protested the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the
> mic that day.
>
>
+1 Sunday

Very complex social/political and economic issues for poor Afrinic PDP to
deal beyond the back/forth.....

AIS2017 was very particular and we have learnt a lot for the
future..........

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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 04:13:26 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [SPAM] Re: Closure: was: Board Statement on
	Board Member's Conduct
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I agree with Badru

Mustapha Ben Jemaa

 

De : Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com] 
Envoy? : vendredi 9 juin 2017 22:47
? : Ismail Settenda
Cc : General Discussions of AFRINIC
Objet : [SPAM] Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on
Board Member's Conduct

 

Members 

 

I would like to ask that we close this thread. The main objective of the
AIS17 event was that we had a successful workshop week. We also had an
engaging meeting week. 

 

The organisation had challenges but besides all challenges the community
came together discussed, and ended the meeting at a positive note. 

 

We are all continuously learning to make sure that the next event is better.
Sometimes we will get it wrong, a reminder that we are human. 

 

Tolerance of our diversity and trust for each other is what has built this
strong community. At times we will strain this equilibrium but ultimately we
all have the best intentions. 

 

I ask that we look at all the good and positive outcomes, and learn from
where we  collectively failed as we look forward to meet as a unified
community in both Nigeria and Senegal.   

 

Regards 

Badru 

 



Sent from my iPhone


On 9 Jun 2017, at 23:36, Ismail Settenda <ismail at tispa.or.tz> wrote:

+1 

 

I too disagree it was abuse...a painful example maybe but if it is good
manners you advocating for then lets first be appreciative then complain. 

 

As it is I didnt see any email apperiacating the speed and good internet
beforehand ... then not escalate things needlessly..!

 

Regards


--
Ismail 

 
<https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B-WIT8x-vTBbNUloejlOa2YzUGhYMTV3MlF5dUZsODlD
S1BZ&export=download> 

 

On 9 June 2017 at 20:56, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

I disagree.

I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
demonstrate what
that was like, and no one batted an eye.

I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political
courage.

The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
off, they made that point quite well I think.



Regards,

McTim





> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can
bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
internet
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
such
> premeditated situations.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Dear Benjamin,
>>
>> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
>> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>>
>> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I
thought
>> the community closed the matter then.
>>
>> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and
address
>> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
>> from Nairobi.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" <benjamin.eshun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
>> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
>> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
Incident
>> ?
>>
>> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under
reference.
>>>
>>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>>
>>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>>
>>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>>
>>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
>>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
where
>>> AIS 2017 is being held.
>>>
>>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved
in
>>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member
of
>>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
molestation
>>> and humiliation.
>>>
>>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does
not
>>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable
norms
>>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>>>
>>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
>>> be informed of the outcome.
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <tel:%2B234%20802%20291%202202> , +234 816 866
7523 <tel:%2B234%20816%20866%207523> 
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <tel:%2B234%20802%20291%202202> , +234 816 866
7523 <tel:%2B234%20816%20866%207523> 
>>> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
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From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:09:05 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
 on Internet Shutdowns in Africa
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2017-06-09 23:53 GMT+04:00 Ismail Settenda <ismailmss at gmail.com>:

> Really, on whose behalf are you speaking, I certainly didn't think Andrew
> is horrible.
>


'horrible'  ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm



>
>


-- 
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:13:52 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF*
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2017-06-10 0:28 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>:

> Just for the records: AfriNIC Ltd did organize these at AIS '17:
>
> 1. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/158-ais17-daily-
> recap-2
> The AfGWG-16 Meeting saw several government officials, regulators and law
> enforcement agencies gather on Monday 29 May from 10:00 am to 3.00 pm. It
> was a closed session.
>
> 2. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/161-ais-17-daily-
> recap-3-30-may
> Panel on Internet Shutdown
> This session was held with the objective to demystify Internet Shutdown in
> Africa and view it with the lens of different stakeholders in the region.
> Panelists representing various stakeholder groups (Technical Community,
> Business Community, Civil Society, and Government) discussed the topic.
> The panel consisted of:
>     1. Moderator and Academia: Prof Nii Quaynor - Ghana
>     2. AFRINIC and Technical representative and Business, Mr Sunday
> Folayan - Nigeria
>     3. Dr Ch?rif Diallo, Ministry of ICT - Senegal
>     4. Government ARPCE, Luc Missidimbazi - Congo
>     5. KICTANET & Civil Society, Grace Githaiga - Kenya
>     6. Civil Society, Kathleen Ndongmo - Cameroon
>     7. Communication Authority of Kenya, Mr Vincent Ngundi - Kenya
>
> Watch the video of this session at : https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/
> participate-remotely/internet-shutdown
>


Will any of this have happen if there was no anti-shutdown proposal? We
only have to look at history of shutdowns and agenda of all past AfriNIC
meeting and we will likely reach same conclusion.


-- 
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From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Sun Jun 11 09:52:49 2017
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:52:49 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in v6ops/IETF
Message-ID: <E6BE3F7B-AA24-415B-B598-3D26CF9D75FB@consulintel.es>

Hello all,

At the last LACNIC event, I mentioned on a couple of occasions the need for ISPs in the region, especially small and medium-sized ones, to participate in the decisions taken in the IETF IPv6 Operations Working Group (v6ops). I?m sending this here as well, as I believe the situation also apply to this region.

When I asked among the attendees how many participate in v6ops, only one person raised his hand.

What does it mean to participate in the mailing list? Follow some emails (sometimes only 1-2 a week, sometimes they can be several in a day), and therefore learn about what is being discussed and give your opinion and, given that decisions are made by Consensus, influence them.

What consequences has NOT participating? That decisions against your interests/opinions could be taken, and obviously do not consider your perspective in the standards. Generally large operators are involved, which implies that your interests are not sufficiently represented, and in general are contrary to yours. Your "vote/opinion" is not worth more than yours, but the big one is present and the small/medium NO!

I give you a very concrete example. The serious problem that small and medium ISPs have, is to continue offering IPv6 and IPv4 services to their customers, when they already do not have IPv4 addresses. Only the biggest ISPs have a great purchasing power and can influence the manufacturers to do for them what they need. One possibility to solve it, extending the life of IPv4, but not necessarily deploying IPv6, is using CGN, which is also very expensive, and breaks many things.

The solution is simple. Deploying IPv6-only services in the last mile, which involves using transition mechanisms, such as 464XLAT that has been deployed on millions of smartphones worldwide, so that applications continue to operate transparently as they "believe" they have IPv4.

What is the problem, then? That manufacturers of CPEs are based on an old specification (RFC7084) that does not contemplate these transition mechanisms, so when a small/medium ISP asks a manufacturer for a firmware upgrade or a new CPE, they do not include that solution and perhaps they offer it with an extra cost.

In my view, this should change, and that is why I am working on a number of documents, including RFC7084-bis (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc7084-bis/), To update this situation, but there is opposition from large ISPs and virtually no small/medium "talks" about it, and in fact these large ISPs deny the situation. In addition, the document also specifies the "automated" support of those cases in which the user installs other routers (which is very common as we all know, and will be more and more in IPv6, IoT, etc.), behind the router installed by the ISP, through homenet (HNCP).

I am not asking for your support for my documents, but for understanding the problem and the solution that is being proposed and/or possible new ones, and for the opinion of not only those very few ?big ones?, but also of many small and medium, who are most affected.

If you want to subscribe to this list, search for "subscribing" at:
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops

You can see the files of the discussion in:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=v6ops

I remind you that participating in the IETF does not require a presence in the meetings, as consensus is agreed in the list.

Regards,
Jordi
















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From Gabriella.Akech at liquidtelecom.com  Fri Jun  9 19:32:05 2017
From: Gabriella.Akech at liquidtelecom.com (Consolate Gabriella A. Wangwe)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 22:32:05 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board
	Member's Conduct
In-Reply-To: <79535161-1D68-4568-BDEF-555006FD23CF@controlfreak.co.za>
References: <0256cf40-c4d3-206c-47d8-92c3dcbd8c86@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <024b01d2e157$1d029ac0$5707d040$@liquidtelecom.com>

Thank you for those positive remarks!  

Consolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nishal Goburdhan [mailto:nishal at controlfreak.co.za] 
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:35 PM
To: Danny <afahounko at gmail.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

On 09 Jun 2017, at 19:31, Danny <afahounko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2 service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been avoided.

that?s quite incorrect.  speaking as the NOC person who diagnosed the fault, the outage was due to a hardware fault that was induced by the hotel staff.
(and it was not the only outage, created by hotel staff during the event either!).  there is no indication that this would not have otherwise occured, since, we would most likely, still have used the same device as a border router.
if nothing else, the liquid team were extremely helpful in sourcing another router - JNPR QFXs don?t exactly grow on trees - and getting it onsite from across town in *less than 1 hour*, in peak nairobi traffic.
and then leaving it onsite, as a contingency, for the rest of the event.

it?s sad that this sort of goodwill doesn?t seem to make it onto this mailing list;  just the uninformed criticism  :-(


> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider 

right?.just like how this was the case for AIS-16, AIS-15, AIS-14, [?]   

oh.

wait.

...


don?t let your regular disdain for andrew, detract you from the *excellent* job that the liquid team did with providing bandwidth, hardware, and support for the event.  as someone that?s done more than a few NOC shifts, for these events, i can tell you that they were a tremendous help this time!

?n.
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Mon Jun 12 07:12:57 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:12:57 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Anti-Shutdown (off-topic)
In-Reply-To: <986B929F-ABC8-4162-931C-36804EF6ADE3@pch.net>
References: <892246317.82598.1496070220695.JavaMail.zimbra@forum.org.ng>
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170611231526.0c43eca8@elandnews.com>

Hi Bill,

[Cc as a courtesy]

At 10:04 09-06-2017, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>Apropos this topic, a discussion of the issue (not the AfriNIC 
>proposal, but the shutdown issue itself) is scheduled for an 
>upcoming UN meeting:

I'll quote something which Mr Alston wrote in another context: 
"enhances the communities understanding of what is happening in the 
wider scope of things globally".  The question is whether people in 
this region would like to have a say in the wider scope of things.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy  




From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Wed Jun 14 12:24:50 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:24:50 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>


> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
> 
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
> 
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment? 
> 
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may expect me to answer it.

Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.

Alan Barrett




From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Wed Jun 14 12:51:45 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:51:45 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <87CF7DA4-E187-480E-8DE8-97C01438C99A@afrinic.net>

On 14 Jun 2017, at 16:24, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.
> 
> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.

Sorry, I made a mistake above.  The RESERVED status of the quarantined space is not visible through WHOIS.  It is visible through the extended stats files available from <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.

Alan Barrett




From noah at neo.co.tz  Thu Jun 15 10:36:22 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:36:22 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWa=4B7DOe-x2bTmL7mhy47vcZnrDL6y5PE6iYyh74tDww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
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Message-ID: <CAEqgTWbbO3FiKucvPCMwv023Qvok5QJe4kzoZPz86-DBysPB3g@mail.gmail.com>

On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:


> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
expect me to answer it.


Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/
stats/afrinic>.



As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the
ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as
you recommended.

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered
space and everything else?

Noah
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Fri Jun 16 11:29:31 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:29:31 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWbbO3FiKucvPCMwv023Qvok5QJe4kzoZPz86-DBysPB3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <A4E9D69F-CEBE-49A7-9BDA-9A3DDD5D2F7F@nftconsult.com>

Chair 

A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.   

I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes the members worry if we have all hands on deck.

Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to respond to community and Member queries??

I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an acknowledgement on issues raised.  

Regards



  
On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:



On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may expect me to answer it.

Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.


As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you recommended.  

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery? 

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space and everything else?

Noah
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From madomey at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 14:12:59 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:12:59 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <A4E9D69F-CEBE-49A7-9BDA-9A3DDD5D2F7F@nftconsult.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWa=4B7DOe-x2bTmL7mhy47vcZnrDL6y5PE6iYyh74tDww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWbbO3FiKucvPCMwv023Qvok5QJe4kzoZPz86-DBysPB3g@mail.gmail.com>,
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+ 1

Marcus


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________________________________
From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:29:31 AM
To: Noah; Alan Barrett
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

Chair

A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.

I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes the members worry if we have all hands on deck.

Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to respond to community and Member queries??

I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an acknowledgement on issues raised.

Regards




On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:



On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may expect me to answer it.

Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.


As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you recommended.

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space and everything else?

Noah
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From madomey at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 14:26:07 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:26:07 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR06MB3062EFB6E52DA55752FCC515B9C10@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWa=4B7DOe-x2bTmL7mhy47vcZnrDL6y5PE6iYyh74tDww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWbbO3FiKucvPCMwv023Qvok5QJe4kzoZPz86-DBysPB3g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <A4E9D69F-CEBE-49A7-9BDA-9A3DDD5D2F7F@nftconsult.com>,
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Moreover the community is expecting this SLA from the new board.

Thanks


Marcus

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From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 2:12:59 PM
To: Noah; Alan Barrett; Badru Ntege
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

+ 1

Marcus


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From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:29:31 AM
To: Noah; Alan Barrett
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

Chair

A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.

I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes the members worry if we have all hands on deck.

Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to respond to community and Member queries??

I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an acknowledgement on issues raised.

Regards




On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:



On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may expect me to answer it.

Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.


As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you recommended.

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space and everything else?

Noah
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 16 15:25:09 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:25:09 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <A4E9D69F-CEBE-49A7-9BDA-9A3DDD5D2F7F@nftconsult.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
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 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWa=4B7DOe-x2bTmL7mhy47vcZnrDL6y5PE6iYyh74tDww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWbbO3FiKucvPCMwv023Qvok5QJe4kzoZPz86-DBysPB3g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFi3HFXB6RDR9iDBizuaYJvUWNw=v9YwZBigGu-d3_EHrUXgLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Badru,

Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.

I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the
Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly
border on operational issues.

It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to
help me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:

1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do
so?

2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
appropriate person?

3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
time?.

4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of
"can someone respond?"

5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent
questions on the mailing lists?

6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy
or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?

7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
answers from the CEO and relay?

8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?

It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?

Thanks

Sunday.




On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

Chair

A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.

I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are
not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes
the members worry if we have all hands on deck.

Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to
respond to community and Member queries??

I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an
acknowledgement on issues raised.

Regards




On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:



On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:


> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
expect me to answer it.


Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/sta
ts/afrinic>.



As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pd
wg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/af
rinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you recommended.

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered
space and everything else?

Noah
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list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mail
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Fri Jun 16 16:08:23 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:08:23 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAFi3HFXB6RDR9iDBizuaYJvUWNw=v9YwZBigGu-d3_EHrUXgLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Chair

With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry.  In a bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve the community.

For clarity the community elects the board,  the then board hires the CEO who then hires the staff so community communications goes to board and chair.

CEO has a dual roll of being staff and board member and thus his right to respond directly to comments.

In my understanding CEO can also authorize staff to respond to issues if he so wishes.

Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some and ignoring others could be taken wrongly by the individual who raises what they think is a pertinent issue.

Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.

On a number of occasions like bellow we have been given information which turns out to be wrong. Like the issue raised about recovered resources.

I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a nuisance to you at times which is unfortunate. And I read this from your email above and the questions paused

Regards



Sent from my iPhone

On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Badru,

Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.

I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly border on operational issues.

It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to help me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:

1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do so?

2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an appropriate person?

3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response time?.

4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of "can someone respond?"

5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions on the mailing lists?

6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?

7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract answers from the CEO and relay?

8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?

It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?

Thanks

Sunday.




On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
Chair

A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.

I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes the members worry if we have all hands on deck.

Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to respond to community and Member queries??

I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an acknowledgement on issues raised.

Regards




On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:



On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> Hi Chair,
>
> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>
> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for re-allocation/assignment?
>
> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may expect me to answer it.

Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.


As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you recommended.

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space and everything else?

Noah
_______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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From noah at neo.co.tz  Fri Jun 16 16:22:09 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 19:22:09 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <EAE1A66E-7996-47E1-A39E-AB236C0F6B3C@nftconsult.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
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 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWa=4B7DOe-x2bTmL7mhy47vcZnrDL6y5PE6iYyh74tDww@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqgTWaH=FRxMjpz4KZffnXqxJHhRMjh9OVTaFW8AU1TgR=G7w@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 Jun 2017 7:07 p.m., "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

Chair


Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been
ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.


In fact when the financial statement went public for both
membership/community review, some of us asked a couple of questions days or
weeks before the AGMM only for them to be respondee too and answered
quickly during the AGMM as opposed to them being answered on the mailing
lists at the time they were asked.

I personally didnt find that amusing especially if the board expects its
membership to go through the financials and give its opinion before the FS
can be signed off by the board after the AGMM.

I am not sure if that was some delay tactic which is why i had to go back
go the mic during the AGMM.

Noah
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From mctimconsulting at gmail.com  Fri Jun 16 19:51:29 2017
From: mctimconsulting at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <EAE1A66E-7996-47E1-A39E-AB236C0F6B3C@nftconsult.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACAaNxiojfxo78j99b3W4abPG4gZx7cefeeXgst+9wOVOO-f1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Badru,

To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board,
not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested
parties.

For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal.  For the purpose
of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee
paying folks have greater standing.

just my 2 bob,

McTim

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Badru Ntege
<badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> Chair
>
> With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry.  In a
> bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve
> the community.
>
> For clarity the community elects the board,  the then board hires the CEO
> who then hires the staff so community communications goes to board and
> chair.
>
> CEO has a dual roll of being staff and board member and thus his right to
> respond directly to comments.
>
> In my understanding CEO can also authorize staff to respond to issues if he
> so wishes.
>
> Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some
> and ignoring others could be taken wrongly by the individual who raises what
> they think is a pertinent issue.
>
> Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been
> ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.
>
> On a number of occasions like bellow we have been given information which
> turns out to be wrong. Like the issue raised about recovered resources.
>
> I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a
> nuisance to you at times which is unfortunate. And I read this from your
> email above and the questions paused
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Badru,
>
> Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.
>
> I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the
> Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly
> border on operational issues.
>
> It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to help
> me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:
>
> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do
> so?
>
> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
> appropriate person?
>
> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
> time?.
>
> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of
> "can someone respond?"
>
> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions
> on the mailing lists?
>
> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or
> urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>
> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
> answers from the CEO and relay?
>
> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>
> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sunday.
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>
> Chair
>
> A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.
>
> I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are
> not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes
> the members worry if we have all hands on deck.
>
> Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to
> respond to community and Member queries??
>
> I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an
> acknowledgement on issues raised.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> Hi Chair,
>>
>> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
>> means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>>
>> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
>> re-allocation/assignment?
>>
>> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
>> find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>
> Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
> expect me to answer it.
>
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Yes certainly....
>
>
> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
> recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
> are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
> quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
> possible re-use.
>
> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
> may be found in raw data published at
> <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.
>
>
>
> As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
> closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.
>
> http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list
>
> Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
> many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?
>
> I also checked the
> ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you
> recommended.
>
> Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?
>
> If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space
> and everything else?
>
> Noah
> _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Fri Jun 16 23:20:42 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 23:20:42 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CACAaNxiojfxo78j99b3W4abPG4gZx7cefeeXgst+9wOVOO-f1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <35b60f5d-8782-bcad-aa8f-eb075589bf39@gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWajmtiTKASepid+C+cH9e8QkZqa=yWidm8pBYbiB5NbsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D5A2BA64-CD0E-46AC-A999-6FFC3ABC5642@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWa=4B7DOe-x2bTmL7mhy47vcZnrDL6y5PE6iYyh74tDww@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqgTWbbO3FiKucvPCMwv023Qvok5QJe4kzoZPz86-DBysPB3g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAFi3HFXB6RDR9iDBizuaYJvUWNw=v9YwZBigGu-d3_EHrUXgLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <EAE1A66E-7996-47E1-A39E-AB236C0F6B3C@nftconsult.com>,
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Message-ID: <40FC2778-D762-4EBC-8D87-B6FB1EC5BFEC@nftconsult.com>

Hi McTim

:-) indeed you are being pedantic. However the point is the same whether we are discussing 10 members or 100.  A level of response is expected from those we elect to oversee our organisation as members which we also hold in trust for the wider community. 

> On 16 Jun 2017, at 11:13 pm, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Badru,
> 
> To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board,
> not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested
> parties.
> 
> For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal.  For the purpose
> of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee
> paying folks have greater standing.
> 
> just my 2 bob,
> 
> McTim
> 
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Badru Ntege
> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>> Chair
>> 
>> With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry.  In a
>> bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve
>> the community.
>> 
>> For clarity the community elects the board,  the then board hires the CEO
>> who then hires the staff so community communications goes to board and
>> chair.
>> 
>> CEO has a dual roll of being staff and board member and thus his right to
>> respond directly to comments.
>> 
>> In my understanding CEO can also authorize staff to respond to issues if he
>> so wishes.
>> 
>> Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some
>> and ignoring others could be taken wrongly by the individual who raises what
>> they think is a pertinent issue.
>> 
>> Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been
>> ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.
>> 
>> On a number of occasions like bellow we have been given information which
>> turns out to be wrong. Like the issue raised about recovered resources.
>> 
>> I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a
>> nuisance to you at times which is unfortunate. And I read this from your
>> email above and the questions paused
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Badru,
>> 
>> Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.
>> 
>> I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the
>> Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly
>> border on operational issues.
>> 
>> It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to help
>> me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:
>> 
>> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do
>> so?
>> 
>> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
>> appropriate person?
>> 
>> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
>> time?.
>> 
>> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of
>> "can someone respond?"
>> 
>> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions
>> on the mailing lists?
>> 
>> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or
>> urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>> 
>> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
>> answers from the CEO and relay?
>> 
>> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>> 
>> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Chair
>> 
>> A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.
>> 
>> I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are
>> not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes
>> the members worry if we have all hands on deck.
>> 
>> Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to
>> respond to community and Member queries??
>> 
>> I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an
>> acknowledgement on issues raised.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>> Hi Chair,
>>> 
>>> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
>>> means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>>> 
>>> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
>>> re-allocation/assignment?
>>> 
>>> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
>>> find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>> 
>> Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
>> expect me to answer it.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> Yes certainly....
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
>> recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
>> are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
>> quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
>> possible re-use.
>> 
>> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
>> may be found in raw data published at
>> <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
>> closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.
>> 
>> http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list
>> 
>> Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
>> many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?
>> 
>> I also checked the
>> ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you
>> recommended.
>> 
>> Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?
>> 
>> If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space
>> and everything else?
>> 
>> Noah
>> _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing
>> list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>> 



From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Fri Jun 16 23:41:28 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:41:28 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in
 v6ops/IETF
In-Reply-To: <E6BE3F7B-AA24-415B-B598-3D26CF9D75FB@consulintel.es>
References: <E6BE3F7B-AA24-415B-B598-3D26CF9D75FB@consulintel.es>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170616163645.0e420228@elandnews.com>

Hi Jordi,
At 02:52 11-06-2017, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>At the last LACNIC event, I mentioned on a couple of occasions the 
>need for ISPs in the region, especially small and medium-sized ones, 
>to participate in the decisions taken in the IETF IPv6 Operations 
>Working Group (v6ops). I'm sending this here as well, as I believe 
>the situation also apply to this region.
>
>When I asked among the attendees how many participate in v6ops, only 
>one person raised his hand.

I took a quick look at the mailing list archive.  I could not find 
any participant who resides in Africa.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From jordi.palet at consulintel.es  Fri Jun 16 23:50:18 2017
From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 01:50:18 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in
	v6ops/IETF
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170616163645.0e420228@elandnews.com>
References: <E6BE3F7B-AA24-415B-B598-3D26CF9D75FB@consulintel.es>
 <6.2.5.6.2.20170616163645.0e420228@elandnews.com>
Message-ID: <4B721A8A-6453-4975-93A6-6C1CEEF48AAF@consulintel.es>

More in my side, it is key to get participation from all the regions, all sizes of ISPs ?

Regards,
Jordi
 

-----Mensaje original-----
De: <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>
Responder a: <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>
Fecha: s?bado, 17 de junio de 2017, 1:41
Para: <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>, <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Asunto: Re: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in v6ops/IETF

    Hi Jordi,
    At 02:52 11-06-2017, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
    >At the last LACNIC event, I mentioned on a couple of occasions the 
    >need for ISPs in the region, especially small and medium-sized ones, 
    >to participate in the decisions taken in the IETF IPv6 Operations 
    >Working Group (v6ops). I'm sending this here as well, as I believe 
    >the situation also apply to this region.
    >
    >When I asked among the attendees how many participate in v6ops, only 
    >one person raised his hand.
    
    I took a quick look at the mailing list archive.  I could not find 
    any participant who resides in Africa.
    
    Regards,
    S. Moonesamy 
    
    
    



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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Sat Jun 17 05:39:18 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 08:39:18 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <40FC2778-D762-4EBC-8D87-B6FB1EC5BFEC@nftconsult.com>
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All

Correct me if I'm correct - AFRINIC would fall under what we call critical national/continent assets/infrastructure right? 

If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance issues if you pay your taxes? :-)

Just being pedantic.. :-)

Seriously though, I raised this issue of Governance a few weeks ago and up until it is addressed comprehensively we will continue to have issues such as what Badru has raised. 

As the community I believe it would be unreasonable to expect the Board to respond to ALL queries promptly because sometimes it's operational issues and understandably they would need to consult with Management first. We need to set expectations - much like Service Level Agreements - and then adhere to them.

I urge Management and Board to come up with such communication direction.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Jun 2017, at 2:20 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi McTim
> 
> :-) indeed you are being pedantic. However the point is the same whether we are discussing 10 members or 100.  A level of response is expected from those we elect to oversee our organisation as members which we also hold in trust for the wider community. 
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2017, at 11:13 pm, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Badru,
>> 
>> To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board,
>> not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested
>> parties.
>> 
>> For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal.  For the purpose
>> of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee
>> paying folks have greater standing.
>> 
>> just my 2 bob,
>> 
>> McTim
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Badru Ntege
>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>>> Chair
>>> 
>>> With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry.  In a
>>> bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve
>>> the community.
>>> 
>>> For clarity the community elects the board,  the then board hires the CEO
>>> who then hires the staff so community communications goes to board and
>>> chair.
>>> 
>>> CEO has a dual roll of being staff and board member and thus his right to
>>> respond directly to comments.
>>> 
>>> In my understanding CEO can also authorize staff to respond to issues if he
>>> so wishes.
>>> 
>>> Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some
>>> and ignoring others could be taken wrongly by the individual who raises what
>>> they think is a pertinent issue.
>>> 
>>> Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been
>>> ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.
>>> 
>>> On a number of occasions like bellow we have been given information which
>>> turns out to be wrong. Like the issue raised about recovered resources.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a
>>> nuisance to you at times which is unfortunate. And I read this from your
>>> email above and the questions paused
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Badru,
>>> 
>>> Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.
>>> 
>>> I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the
>>> Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly
>>> border on operational issues.
>>> 
>>> It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to help
>>> me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:
>>> 
>>> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do
>>> so?
>>> 
>>> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
>>> appropriate person?
>>> 
>>> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
>>> time?.
>>> 
>>> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of
>>> "can someone respond?"
>>> 
>>> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions
>>> on the mailing lists?
>>> 
>>> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or
>>> urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>>> 
>>> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
>>> answers from the CEO and relay?
>>> 
>>> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>>> 
>>> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sunday.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chair
>>> 
>>> A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.
>>> 
>>> I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are
>>> not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes
>>> the members worry if we have all hands on deck.
>>> 
>>> Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to
>>> respond to community and Member queries??
>>> 
>>> I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an
>>> acknowledgement on issues raised.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>>> Hi Chair,
>>>> 
>>>> If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
>>>> means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.
>>>> 
>>>> Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
>>>> re-allocation/assignment?
>>>> 
>>>> Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
>>>> find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.
>>> 
>>> Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
>>> expect me to answer it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> Yes certainly....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
>>> recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
>>> are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
>>> quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
>>> possible re-use.
>>> 
>>> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
>>> may be found in raw data published at
>>> <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
>>> closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.
>>> 
>>> http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list
>>> 
>>> Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
>>> many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?
>>> 
>>> I also checked the
>>> ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you
>>> recommended.
>>> 
>>> Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?
>>> 
>>> If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space
>>> and everything else?
>>> 
>>> Noah
>>> _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing
>>> list Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From mje at posix.co.za  Sat Jun 17 08:05:28 2017
From: mje at posix.co.za (Mark Elkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:05:28 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in
	v6ops/IETF
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170616163645.0e420228@elandnews.com>
References: <E6BE3F7B-AA24-415B-B598-3D26CF9D75FB@consulintel.es>
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Message-ID: <331f28de-c1ed-a807-562c-ab54bf7de2c8@posix.co.za>

For what its worth, I subscribe to the v6ops mailing list.

The current discussion are about what should a Home Router do (DHCPv6,
DNS - etc).
I am currently silent though - just reading what others say, following
the arguments.

On 17/06/2017 01:41, sm+afrinic at elandsys.com wrote:
> Hi Jordi,
> At 02:52 11-06-2017, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>> At the last LACNIC event, I mentioned on a couple of occasions the
>> need for ISPs in the region, especially small and medium-sized ones,
>> to participate in the decisions taken in the IETF IPv6 Operations
>> Working Group (v6ops). I'm sending this here as well, as I believe
>> the situation also apply to this region.
>>
>> When I asked among the attendees how many participate in v6ops, only
>> one person raised his hand.
>
> I took a quick look at the mailing list archive.  I could not find any
> participant who resides in Africa.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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From noah at neo.co.tz  Sat Jun 17 08:40:58 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:40:58 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CACAaNxiojfxo78j99b3W4abPG4gZx7cefeeXgst+9wOVOO-f1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On 16 Jun 2017 10:55 p.m., "McTim" <mctimconsulting at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Badru,

To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board,
not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested
parties.


Hi McTim,

AFRINIC is Not-for-profit organisation that serves the public internet
community within Africa and all of us so called members are part of the
public internet community [1] BEFORE and AFTER becoming resource members if
you will.



For the purpose
of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee
paying folks have greater standing.


Not true for a Not-For-Profit entrusted with public resources and for the
public interest.

Regards

Noah

[1] Sending this email as an  end user using my Vodacom Internet data
bundle since am their customer. The revenue they use to pay for membership
to AFRINIC for resources so that they can serve me the end user comes from
me and a million other customers/community members. we are stakeholder
believe it.
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Sat Jun 17 08:53:35 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 08:53:35 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Hi Ali

On 17 Jun 2017, at 9:17 am, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:

All

Correct me if I'm correct - AFRINIC would fall under what we call critical national/continent assets/infrastructure right?

Right

If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance issues if you pay your taxes? :-)

Correct again this has been an issue over time and has been discussed this is the community / members discussion. In the early days we had one open discussion list for any community member to openly share and comment.  A few years ago this need to separate paying members, being those with resources and community members started with the AGM in Zambia where the compromise was community could attend the AGM as observers and not participants.

The escalation of two separate lists came 2-3 years ago where the community list was created and thus drawing a line between the community and paid up members.



Just being pedantic.. :-)

Seriously though, I raised this issue of Governance a few weeks ago and up until it is addressed comprehensively we will continue to have issues such as what Badru has raised.

We have a governance committee hopefully working on this but there could also be a component of leadership here


As the community I believe it would be unreasonable to expect the Board to respond to ALL queries promptly because sometimes it's operational issues and understandably they would need to consult with Management first. We need to set expectations - much like Service Level Agreements - and then adhere to them.

You are perfectly right here but an acknowledgement and promise to respond in due course is sufficient hopefully not from a robot :-)


I urge Management and Board to come up with such communication direction.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113


Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


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On 17 Jun 2017, at 2:20 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

Hi McTim

:-) indeed you are being pedantic. However the point is the same whether we are discussing 10 members or 100.  A level of response is expected from those we elect to oversee our organisation as members which we also hold in trust for the wider community.

On 16 Jun 2017, at 11:13 pm, McTim <mctimconsulting at gmail.com<mailto:mctimconsulting at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Badru,

To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board,
not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested
parties.

For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal.  For the purpose
of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee
paying folks have greater standing.

just my 2 bob,

McTim

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Badru Ntege
<badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
Chair

With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry.  In a
bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve
the community.

For clarity the community elects the board,  the then board hires the CEO
who then hires the staff so community communications goes to board and
chair.

CEO has a dual roll of being staff and board member and thus his right to
respond directly to comments.

In my understanding CEO can also authorize staff to respond to issues if he
so wishes.

Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some
and ignoring others could be taken wrongly by the individual who raises what
they think is a pertinent issue.

Why my concern ??  I think over the last few months many comments have been
ignored or answered after prompt from the sender.

On a number of occasions like bellow we have been given information which
turns out to be wrong. Like the issue raised about recovered resources.

I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a
nuisance to you at times which is unfortunate. And I read this from your
email above and the questions paused

Regards



Sent from my iPhone

On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Badru,

Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this.

I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the
Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly
border on operational issues.

It would also be helpful if you further confirm one or more of these to help
me see how to lead the board to intervene so as to improve things:

1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do
so?

2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
appropriate person?

3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
time?.

4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of
"can someone respond?"

5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions
on the mailing lists?

6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or
urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?

7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
answers from the CEO and relay?

8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?

It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?

Thanks

Sunday.




On Jun 16, 2017 12:30, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

Chair

A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value.

I?m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are
not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes
the members worry if we have all hands on deck.

Would it be advisable to have some kind of SLA in how long it takes to
respond to community and Member queries??

I have noticed it takes quite some time for members to get an
acknowledgement on issues raised.

Regards




On 6/15/17, 1:36 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:



On 14 Jun 2017 3:29 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:


On 6 Jun 2017, at 22:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
Hi Chair,

If the 39,199 was from members who defaulted and went out of business it
means the resources are no longer in use by those specific members.

Did we recover those resources back into Afrinic inventory for
re-allocation/assignment?

Can we please get a report on the space that was recovered as I couldnt
find that anywhere on the AFRINIC website.

Although I was not asked this question, I perceive that some people may
expect me to answer it.


Hi Alan,

Yes certainly....


Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
possible re-use.

We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space
may be found in raw data published at
<ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.



As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.

http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list

Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

I also checked the
ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you
recommended.

Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?

If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space
and everything else?

Noah
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Sat Jun 17 12:45:39 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:45:39 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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> On 15 Jun 2017, at 14:36, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for possible re-use.
>> 
>> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic>.
> 
> As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.
> 
> http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/pdwg/1207-closure-list
> 
> Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

In my opinion, publishing the names of closed members is a bad idea because the ex-members deserve some privacy.  I will seek legal advice on whether or not to publish such lists in future.

> I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest as you recommended.  
> 
> Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery? 
> 
> If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space and everything else?

Some may be reserved for other reasons.  If there?s a particular block you want information about, I can research it for you.

Alan Barrett




From noah at neo.co.tz  Sat Jun 17 14:07:23 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:07:23 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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On 17 Jun 2017 3:50 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:


> On 15 Jun 2017, at 14:36, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered.  The
recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they
are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database.  After the ene of he
quarantine period, the recovered resources are released to the pool for
possible re-use.
>>
>> We do not publicise the names of the members concerned.  The reserved
space may be found in raw data published at <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/
stats/afrinic>.
>
> As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under
closure used to be published for example the below AFRINIC link.
>
> http://web02.jnb.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/
pdwg/1207-closure-list
>
> Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how
many members were closed up until 2017 as that record doesnt exist today?

In my opinion, publishing the names of closed members is a bad idea because
the ex-members deserve some privacy.  I will seek legal advice on whether
or not to publish such lists in future.

> I also checked the ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-
extended-latest as you recommended.
>
> Are all those 2411 INR marked as ?reserved?, resources from recovery?
>
> If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered
space and everything else?


Hi Alan

Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.

Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017
and where are these recovered  ressoutces?

You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public
information,  how many  members have since closed?

Noah
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Sat Jun 17 14:44:30 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 18:44:30 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
> 
> Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017 and where are these recovered  ressoutces?

I?ll find out.  I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the total amount of recovered space.

> You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public information,  how many  members have since closed?

As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information about closed memebrs may be published.

Alan Barrett




From boubakarbarry at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 15:00:42 2017
From: boubakarbarry at gmail.com (Boubakar Barry)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:00:42 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
wrote:

>
> > On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> > Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
> >
> > Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and
> 2017 and where are these recovered  ressoutces?
>
> I?ll find out.  I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the total
> amount of recovered space.
>
> > You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public
> information,  how many  members have since closed?
>
> As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information about
> closed memebrs may be published.
>

In my opinion, there shouldn't be a privacy issue in providing the _number_
of members resources have been recovered from; exactly as for the amount of
recovered space. Is legal advice really needed for this?

Boubakar


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From noah at neo.co.tz  Sat Jun 17 18:34:27 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:34:27 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <F81FE363-4696-46B5-B679-6E9D84DBDEB0@afrinic.net>
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On 17 Jun 2017 5:44 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:


> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
>
> Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and
2017 and where are these recovered  ressoutces?

I?ll find out.  I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the total amount
of recovered space.


Good, looking so much forward.


> You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public
information,  how many  members have since closed?

As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information about
closed memebrs may be published.


This information had been published up until 2014. Was there a legal reason
Afrinic stopped publishing it?

Noah
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From sfolayan at skannet.com  Sat Jun 17 18:57:37 2017
From: sfolayan at skannet.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 19:57:37 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Gentlemen,

On 17/06/2017 16:00, Boubakar Barry wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Alan Barrett 
> <alan.barrett at afrinic.net <mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     > On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
>     <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>     > Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
>     >
>     > Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015,
>     2016 and 2017 and where are these recovered ressoutces?
>
>     I?ll find out.  I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the
>     total amount of recovered space.
>
>     > You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public
>     information,  how many  members have since closed?
>
>     As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information
>     about closed memebrs may be published.
>
>
> In my opinion, there shouldn't be a privacy issue in providing the 
> _number_ of members resources have been recovered from; exactly as for 
> the amount of recovered space. Is legal advice really needed for this?

The CEO did not say that he cannot provide the __number__ of members. 
Indeed he said he is working  on that.

in his words ..  "I?ll find out. I don?t see a privacy concern in 
reporting the total amount of recovered space".

He is however reported he is seeking legal advise regarding publishing 
the __LIST__

Sunday.
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From madomey at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 18 06:12:54 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Hi Sunday

True....but like Noah says, the list was published till 2014 so it is curious that we need to seek legal advice now.

One would assume that it would have aready have been sought to stop publishing so readily available but I also look forward to the CEO's feedback.


Marcus



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________________________________
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at skannet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 6:57:37 PM
To: Boubakar Barry; Alan Barrett
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

Gentlemen,

On 17/06/2017 16:00, Boubakar Barry wrote:

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
>
> Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017 and where are these recovered  ressoutces?

I?ll find out.  I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the total amount of recovered space.

> You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public information,  how many  members have since closed?

As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information about closed memebrs may be published.

In my opinion, there shouldn't be a privacy issue in providing the _number_ of members resources have been recovered from; exactly as for the amount of recovered space. Is legal advice really needed for this?

The CEO did not say that he cannot provide the __number__ of members. Indeed he said he is working  on that.

in his words ..  "I?ll find out. I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the total amount of recovered space".

He is however reported he is seeking legal advise regarding publishing the __LIST__

Sunday.
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Sun Jun 18 06:22:16 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:22:16 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR06MB3062460CCB30FEAE7EF00FB4B9C70@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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> On 18 Jun 2017, at 10:12, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sunday
> 
> True....but like Noah says, the list was published till 2014 so it is curious that we need to seek legal advice now. 

That?s very simple.  Up to 2014, I was not involved.  In 2015, I was asked whether or not to publish the list, and I said no, for privacy reasons.

Now that there?s a fuss about it, I am seeking legal advice.

It would be helpful if the people who want the list to be published could explain why.  What benefit do you obtain from being able to read a list of ex-members whose membership of AFRINCI has been terminated?

Alan Barrett




From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Sun Jun 18 06:58:11 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 23:58:11 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
 (off-topic)
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Hi Ali,
At 22:39 16-06-2017, Ali Hussein wrote:
>If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is 
>akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance 
>issues if you pay your taxes? :-)

I read the message [1] sent by McTim and what I understood from it is 
different from what is written above.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2017-June/001495.html 




From madomey at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 18 07:56:15 2017
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:56:15 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Hi Alan,



Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of transparency and accountability. That is part of the community role and Public resources must be accounted for publicly and closed member simply means termination of rights to use the INR allocated/assigned.




Marcus


________________________________
From: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:22:16 AM
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016


> On 18 Jun 2017, at 10:12, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Sunday
>
> True....but like Noah says, the list was published till 2014 so it is curious that we need to seek legal advice now.

That?s very simple.  Up to 2014, I was not involved.  In 2015, I was asked whether or not to publish the list, and I said no, for privacy reasons.

Now that there?s a fuss about it, I am seeking legal advice.

It would be helpful if the people who want the list to be published could explain why.  What benefit do you obtain from being able to read a list of ex-members whose membership of AFRINCI has been terminated?

Alan Barrett


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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 08:13:39 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:13:39 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR06MB30620E7745F1111C28DFA577B9C70@DB6PR06MB3062.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Lets be fair, does that also automatically terminate their membership of
the community?

I think Alan should not have used the word fuss.

Sunday.

On Jun 18, 2017 08:57, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
>
>
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
> transparency and accountability. That is part of the community role and
> Public resources must be accounted for publicly and closed member simply
> means termination of rights to use the INR allocated/assigned.
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:22:16 AM
> *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements
> 2016
>
>
> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 10:12, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sunday
> >
> > True....but like Noah says, the list was published till 2014 so it is
> curious that we need to seek legal advice now.
>
> That?s very simple.  Up to 2014, I was not involved.  In 2015, I was asked
> whether or not to publish the list, and I said no, for privacy reasons.
>
> Now that there?s a fuss about it, I am seeking legal advice.
>
> It would be helpful if the people who want the list to be published could
> explain why.  What benefit do you obtain from being able to read a list of
> ex-members whose membership of AFRINCI has been terminated?
>
> Alan Barrett
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Sun Jun 18 08:20:01 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:20:01 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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> On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan, 
>  
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of transparency and accountability.

Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.

Alan Barrett




From noah at neo.co.tz  Sun Jun 18 08:35:17 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:35:17 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:


> On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
transparency and accountability.

Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or
not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.



Hi Alan

You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to publish
the list of closed members after 2014?

So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can
you please respond to the other 3 questions below?

1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?

2. How much ressources have been recovered since?

3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?


Noah
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Sun Jun 18 08:37:49 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:37:49 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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> On 18 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
> 
> 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
> 
> 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
> 
> 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?

Please be patient.  I said that I would find out.

Alan Barrett


From kmw.elitcha at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 09:21:01 2017
From: kmw.elitcha at gmail.com (abel ELITCHA)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:21:01 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <F53C0CDA-E9EB-4F94-B008-65535B923C2E@afrinic.net>
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Dear Alan,
Thank you for your replies.  The community is interested and should know
who has right to use INRs and whose rights have ended.  We are not
interested  in the reasons of termination of these rights.

Ability to publicly track history of right to use of INRs is very
important.  We will welcome  AFRINIC  working  on a "whowas project" as in
APNIC(*).

Regards,

(*) https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/whois_search/whowas/


2017-06-18 8:37 GMT+00:00 Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>:

>
> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> > So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision,
> can you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
> >
> > 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
> >
> > 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
> >
> > 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of
> ressources?
>
> Please be patient.  I said that I would find out.
>
> Alan Barrett
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>



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From dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz  Sun Jun 18 12:51:41 2017
From: dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz (Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 15:51:41 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <F81FE363-4696-46B5-B679-6E9D84DBDEB0@afrinic.net>
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Message-ID: <28dee0a6a23eabd618f5c816f3d940c4@techsupport.co.tz>

 

Dear Alan,

Why does AFRINIC not publish the list of active members?

Regards,
Daniel

On 2017-06-17 17:44, Alan Barrett wrote:
>> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
>>
>> Ref: Defaulted members: how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017 and where are these recovered ressoutces?
> 
> I'll find out. I don't see a privacy concern in reporting the total
> amount of recovered space.
> 
>> You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public information, how many members have since closed?
> 
> As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information
> about closed memebrs may be published.
> 
> Alan Barrett
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

 
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From jnoulaye at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 13:02:06 2017
From: jnoulaye at gmail.com (Janvier NGNOULAYE)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 14:02:06 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWY3EShUsFmS4y3E5v399R24D8piq2Dpy4y8ZTTLYngTmA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMitOTigHXYHhhFrdg546NGEHZmwKtLs2qzSYSLN6MuaNC0qKg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Noah,
Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox
mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. You are an ASO member now
for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the leaders team of AFRINIC.
Keep united with the team please.
Warm regards
Janvier Ngnoulaye


Le 18 juin 2017 09:35, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> a ?crit :

>
>
> On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
> transparency and accountability.
>
> Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or
> not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.
>
>
>
> Hi Alan
>
> You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to
> publish the list of closed members after 2014?
>
> So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can
> you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
>
> 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
>
> 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
>
> 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?
>
>
> Noah
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net  Sun Jun 18 13:06:57 2017
From: Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net (Omo Oaiya)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 15:06:57 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAMitOTigHXYHhhFrdg546NGEHZmwKtLs2qzSYSLN6MuaNC0qKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Not exactly sure what you mean by this Janvier.  Sounds very much like do not point out any discrepancies since you are part of the team.  I don?t think that?s helpful.  Do you have an opinion on the matter being discussed?

I think for accountability and transparency, AfriNic should make these information available.  I don?t see any privacy issues.

Omo
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 15:02, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Noah,
> Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. You are an ASO member now for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the leaders team of AFRINIC. Keep united with the team please.
> Warm regards
> Janvier Ngnoulaye
> 
> 
> Le 18 juin 2017 09:35, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> a ?crit :
> 
> 
> On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net <mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> 
> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of transparency and accountability.
> 
> Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.
> 
> 
> Hi Alan
> 
> You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to publish the list of closed members after 2014?
> 
> So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
> 
> 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
> 
> 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
> 
> 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?
> 
> 
> Noah
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss at afrinic.net>
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss


?
Omo Oaiya
CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN
Mobile: +234 806 4522778, +221 784 305 224
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From amelnaud at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 13:43:48 2017
From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 13:43:48 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Message-ID: <CAGDMR_eGuG--Gd_b1QavW0sjoNqi_vye44BQf38kqPBCWj0-Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daniel

Good question.  I did a quick check and found the following  from other RIRs

https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/list-of-members
https://www.arin.net/public/memberList.xhtml
http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/lacnic/listado-miembros
https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/who-are-our-members/

Thanks.

Regards

Arnaud

Le 18 juin 2017 12:52, "Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi" <
dmurungi at techsupport.co.tz> a ?crit :

> Dear Alan,
>
> Why does AFRINIC not publish the list of active members?
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
> On 2017-06-17 17:44, Alan Barrett wrote:
> >> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >> Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
> >>
> >> Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017 and where are these recovered  ressoutces?
> >
> > I?ll find out.  I don?t see a privacy concern in reporting the total
> > amount of recovered space.
> >
> >> You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public information,  how many  members have since closed?
> >
> > As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information
> > about closed memebrs may be published.
> >
> > Alan Barrett
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Community-Discuss mailing list
> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Sun Jun 18 13:43:57 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:43:57 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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On 18 Jun 2017 4:02 p.m., "Janvier NGNOULAYE" <jnoulaye at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Noah,
Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox
mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list.


Janvier

You are clearly misinformed. Privacy ...privacy.....privacy...privacy
 everywhere.....We are dealing with public matters for goodness sake.


You are an ASO member now for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the
leaders team of AFRINIC.


Accountability is part of leadership and I doubt you know anything about
that.

Noah
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From stephen.honlue at afrinic.net  Sun Jun 18 14:08:41 2017
From: stephen.honlue at afrinic.net (Stephen Honlue)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:08:41 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in
	v6ops/IETF
In-Reply-To: <331f28de-c1ed-a807-562c-ab54bf7de2c8@posix.co.za>
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Same here...


On 17/06/2017 12:05, Mark Elkins wrote:
> For what its worth, I subscribe to the v6ops mailing list.
>
> The current discussion are about what should a Home Router do (DHCPv6,
> DNS - etc).
> I am currently silent though - just reading what others say, following
> the arguments.

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From jnoulaye at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 19:10:31 2017
From: jnoulaye at gmail.com (Janvier NGNOULAYE)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:10:31 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Dear Omo,
You must note that I am silent on the discussion in progress.
I am very sorry that you read my view in the wrong way here.
I am reproaching Noah's method and not the problem that he has raised
though relevant. I just wanted to remind him that he has a double hat now,
he can ask some questions Inbox to the Chair or the CEO to build his
knowledge base as a new comer into the leaders team.  Anyway, it was just
an advice to him.
Nice end of weekend.
/Janvier

2017-06-18 14:06 GMT+01:00 Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>:

> Not exactly sure what you mean by this Janvier.  Sounds very much like do
> not point out any discrepancies since you are part of the team.  I don?t
> think that?s helpful.  Do you have an opinion on the matter being discussed?
>
> I think for accountability and transparency, AfriNic should make these
> information available.  I don?t see any privacy issues.
>
> Omo
>
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 15:02, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Noah,
> Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox
> mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. You are an ASO member now
> for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the leaders team of AFRINIC.
> Keep united with the team please.
> Warm regards
> Janvier Ngnoulaye
>
>
> Le 18 juin 2017 09:35, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> a ?crit :
>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Alan,
>> >
>> > Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
>> transparency and accountability.
>>
>> Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether
>> or not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Alan
>>
>> You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to
>> publish the list of closed members after 2014?
>>
>> So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can
>> you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
>>
>> 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
>>
>> 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
>>
>> 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of
>> ressources?
>>
>>
>> Noah
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ?
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> Mobile: +234 806 4522778 <+234%20806%20452%202778>, +221 784 305 224
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Sun Jun 18 21:10:14 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:10:14 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAMitOTget=TQSgAtm41HywTYHYAKxCHOnToDxaGqp86CHNAqUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqgTWbCMOVK7VYcRoi4JAT4fwePBo=yGBXdTYS5eM4XN_dqtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqgTWbXaDJfVSQOu2=FLFTq6_98Vkvk=P1CMVgLVgwAg1q9ZA@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 Jun 2017 10:10 p.m., "Janvier NGNOULAYE" <jnoulaye at gmail.com> wrote:

I just wanted to remind him that he has a double hat now, he can ask some
questions Inbox to the Chair or the CEO to build his knowledge base as a
new comer into the leaders team.


Janvier,

New comer to what ? How can you be this clueless considering you are a
former board member. Like i said, you are clearly mis-informed.  So I
should not ask questions I deem relevant to this community because of some
so called double hat, whatever that means!

I promised to work for the best interest of the AFRINIC community and that
is what I will continue to do.

Mine is to represent the interest of AFRINIC and its mandate and part of it
includes holding each other accountable to those we serve (the community
and membership).

Do yourself a favour and go back to the genesis of this thread and you will
realise the entire discussion started with me asking questions ref: the
2016 financial statements which have led us here. This was before the
community elected me to the ASO seat and shall continue because I am a
believer of accountability and transparency when it comes to dealing with
public matters.

You seem to be the only one who prefers secrecy and some exclusive club way
of doing things yet this are issues of public interest. AFRINIC is not
someone's private company, its a Not-For-Profit organisation in existance
to serve the AFRICAN community by distributing number resources and
maintaining the database.

I didnt have to send the CEO some private email to seek answers yet he has
promised to get back to me and this is how things are done Janvier.

As such, I refuse your misguided advice and I will wait for the CEO's
response to the questions I seek answers too.

Noah
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Mon Jun 19 01:46:44 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 01:46:44 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Janvier

Please stop sowing the seed of division. Asking questions in an open and transparent community is perfectly ok.

Whether ASO or board one is always  still a stakeholder.

Regards

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jun 2017, at 16:05, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com<mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Noah,
Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. You are an ASO member now for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the leaders team of AFRINIC. Keep united with the team please.
Warm regards
Janvier Ngnoulaye


Le 18 juin 2017 09:35, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> a ?crit :


On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of transparency and accountability.

Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.


Hi Alan

You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to publish the list of closed members after 2014?

So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can you please respond to the other 3 questions below?

1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?

2. How much ressources have been recovered since?

3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?


Noah



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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Mon Jun 19 10:23:50 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 03:23:50 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Conflict of Interest Policy (was: [rpd]
 AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC)
In-Reply-To: <3B21E0D1-C22A-4C5D-93D0-87E056433C05@trstech.net>
References: <6.2.5.6.2.20170609101439.0bfa2128@elandnews.com>
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Hi Alain,
At 05:51 15-06-2017, ALAIN AINA wrote:
>this case, how does AFRINIC BoD Conflict of Interest Policy( if 
>there is any) address this?

I am following up on your question.  I'll comment about the public 
part only.  The only information I found about "Conflict of Interest" 
is in the Bylaws.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy




From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Mon Jun 19 13:04:42 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:04:42 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
Message-ID: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>

In response to several questions, I can give the following information about organisations whose Afrinic membership was terminated and their resources reclaimed.

In 2014:

15 members were closed   
18 ASNs were reclaimed
211968 IPv4 Addresses (/32s) were reclaimed
5 IPv6 /32s were reclaimed

In 2015: No members were closed.

In 2016:

12 members were closed
8 ASNs were reclaimed
71680 IPv4 /32s were reclaimed
1 IPv6 /48 was reclaimed

In 2017:

19 members have been closed (or are near the end of the closure process)
16 ASNs have been reclaimed
45056 IPv4 /32s have been reclaimed
2 IPv6 /32s have been reclaimed


To find exactly what space is currently quarantined, you can download the extended statistics file from <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest>, search for ?reserved? in the seventh pipe-delimited column, and then exclude any space within the following ranges which are reserved by policy:

IPv4 196.60.0.0/16	Reserved for IXPs peering networks per CPM 11.4
IPv4 196.49.0.0/16	Reserved for IXPs management networks per CPM 11.4
IPv4 102.224.0.0/12	Reserved for future use per CPM 5.4.7
ASN 37769-37887		Reserved for use in BGP route servers at IXPs per CPM 11.4

In the case of IPv6, the extended statistics file shows that, for each allocated /48, space is reserved up to the next /44 boundary, and for each allocated /32, space is reserved up to the next /29 boundary.  If you are looking for quarantined space, you will also have to ignore these reservations.

Alan Barrett






From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Tue Jun 20 07:25:59 2017
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:25:59 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Sponsorship Opportunities
Message-ID: <831d45e5-6c26-6bdc-da2a-c653c6fb7d2c@seacom.mu>

Hello all.

It gives me great pleasure to announce that the Sponsorship Matrix for
SAFNOG-3 is now available at the link below:

	http://www.safnog.org/matrix.html

If you are interested in collaborating with SAFNOG-3 as a sponsor,
please do not hesitate to reach out to:

	secretariat at safnog dot org

Any and all support will be sincerely appreciated.

We look forward to seeing you in Durban for our next meeting.

Cheers,

Mark Tinka
On Behalf of the SAFNOG Management Committee




From noah at neo.co.tz  Tue Jun 20 19:59:51 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:59:51 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>

On 19 Jun 2017 4:07 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:

In response to several questions, I can give the following information
about organisations whose Afrinic membership was terminated and their
resources reclaimed.

In 2014:

15 members were closed
18 ASNs were reclaimed
211968 IPv4 Addresses (/32s) were reclaimed
5 IPv6 /32s were reclaimed

In 2015: No members were closed.

In 2016:

12 members were closed
8 ASNs were reclaimed
71680 IPv4 /32s were reclaimed
1 IPv6 /48 was reclaimed

In 2017:

19 members have been closed (or are near the end of the closure process)
16 ASNs have been reclaimed
45056 IPv4 /32s have been reclaimed
2 IPv6 /32s have been reclaimed


To find exactly what space is currently quarantined, you can download the
extended statistics file from <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/
afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest>, search for ?reserved? in the
seventh pipe-delimited column, and then exclude any space within the
following ranges which are reserved by policy:

IPv4 196.60.0.0/16      Reserved for IXPs peering networks per CPM 11.4
IPv4 196.49.0.0/16      Reserved for IXPs management networks per CPM 11.4
IPv4 102.224.0.0/12     Reserved for future use per CPM 5.4.7
ASN 37769-37887         Reserved for use in BGP route servers at IXPs per
CPM 11.4

In the case of IPv6, the extended statistics file shows that, for each
allocated /48, space is reserved up to the next /44 boundary, and for each
allocated /32, space is reserved up to the next /29 boundary.  If you are
looking for quarantined space, you will also have to ignore these
reservations.



Hi Alan

Thank you for the effort and sharing this information.

We will appreciate as a community that this information is and must be made
available online as part of the annual report[1]

Checking again the link ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/a
frinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest

Besides the block below which you indicated as reserved per CPM 5.4.7.

afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.224.0.0|1048576||reserved

It does also shows for instance, the below space as reserved

afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.160.0.0|524288||reserved
afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.178.0.0|131072||reserved
afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.180.0.0|65536||reserved

Which means either this stats are outdated or wrong since your email and
explaination doesnt indicate why the above 3 blocks are marked as reserved
and which can't be recovered space as per the recovery numbers for 2017.

And why is the recovered and/or reseved space not listed in Afrinic's
normal pool or at a dedicated web page like below for better trasparency.

http://www.lacnic.net/web/lacnic/revocacion-de-recursos

Why can't Afrinic create similar tools?.

And what is the rational behind the 2 years quarantine  before the
recovered space can be reallocated?

What is the process of determining and/or restoring recovered space
reputation from previous activities

BR,
Noah



[1] By the way,  where is the annual report for 2016? The bylaws make its
publication mandatory.


[1] The community has requested and we agreed that In order to enhance
AFRINIC accountability, we make sure that this information is published
yearly so that the community/membership can know how much space is
recovered and available in the inventory.
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From jwalu at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 21 15:30:47 2017
From: jwalu at yahoo.com (Walubengo J)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:30:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <1780747176.3354676.1498059047084@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanx Alan for the update.
But meanwhile forgive my ignorance. ?I am having trouble interpreting what it means to reclaim a /32 v4 address.
>>>211968 IPv4 Addresses (/32s) were reclaimed
>>>

My thinking has been that the most 'slashable' v4 address is a /31. ?Looks like there are some IP classes I missed. ?Plse educate me + the intepratation.
walu.
nb: I am fine with the v6 /32s.      From: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net> 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:05 PM
 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
   
In response to several questions, I can give the following information about organisations whose Afrinic membership was terminated and their resources reclaimed.

In 2014:

15 members were closed? 
18 ASNs were reclaimed
211968 IPv4 Addresses (/32s) were reclaimed
5 IPv6 /32s were reclaimed

In 2015: No members were closed.

In 2016:

12 members were closed
8 ASNs were reclaimed
71680 IPv4 /32s were reclaimed
1 IPv6 /48 was reclaimed

In 2017:

19 members have been closed (or are near the end of the closure process)
16 ASNs have been reclaimed
45056 IPv4 /32s have been reclaimed
2 IPv6 /32s have been reclaimed


To find exactly what space is currently quarantined, you can download the extended statistics file from <ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest>, search for ?reserved? in the seventh pipe-delimited column, and then exclude any space within the following ranges which are reserved by policy:

IPv4 196.60.0.0/16??? Reserved for IXPs peering networks per CPM 11.4
IPv4 196.49.0.0/16??? Reserved for IXPs management networks per CPM 11.4
IPv4 102.224.0.0/12??? Reserved for future use per CPM 5.4.7
ASN 37769-37887??? ??? Reserved for use in BGP route servers at IXPs per CPM 11.4

In the case of IPv6, the extended statistics file shows that, for each allocated /48, space is reserved up to the next /44 boundary, and for each allocated /32, space is reserved up to the next /29 boundary.? If you are looking for quarantined space, you will also have to ignore these reservations.

Alan Barrett




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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Wed Jun 21 16:15:54 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:15:54 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>
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> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:59, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the effort and sharing this information.
> 
> We will appreciate as a community that this information is and must be made available online as part of the annual report[1]

We will develop processes for publishing a summary of recovered space in the future.

> Checking again the link ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest 
> 
> Besides the block below which you indicated as reserved per CPM 5.4.7.
> 
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.224.0.0|1048576||reserved
> 
> It does also shows for instance, the below space as reserved
> 
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.160.0.0|524288||reserved
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.178.0.0|131072||reserved
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.180.0.0|65536||reserved

I will find out why that space is marked as reserved.

> And why is the recovered and/or reseved space not listed in Afrinic's normal pool or at a dedicated web page like below for better trasparency.
> 
> http://www.lacnic.net/web/lacnic/revocacion-de-recursos
> 
> Why can't Afrinic create similar tools?

I think you are asking for Afrinic to publish similar information in future.  Yes, we will do so, but it requires new internal tools to be developed.

> And what is the rational behind the 2 years quarantine  before the recovered space can be reallocated? 
> 
> What is the process of determining and/or restoring recovered space reputation from previous activities

The existing process is purely internal.  We will produce a public summary of the process.

> [1] By the way,  where is the annual report for 2016? The bylaws make its publication mandatory.

The friendly version of the annual report will be published by 15 July.  The mandatory requirement in the bylaws is satisfied by the audited financial report, but we recognise that members want more than that, and we are committed to delivering a friendly version of the annual report.

Alan Barrett







From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Wed Jun 21 16:29:44 2017
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:29:44 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <1780747176.3354676.1498059047084@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <1780747176.3354676.1498059047084@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6ECCE50C-6E1B-466B-86C3-359ECCCAC403@afrinic.net>


> On 21 Jun 2017, at 17:30, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanx Alan for the update.
> 
> But meanwhile forgive my ignorance.  I am having trouble interpreting what it means to reclaim a /32 v4 address.
> 
> >>>
> 211968 IPv4 Addresses (/32s) were reclaimed
> >>>

Here, a /32 simply means an IPv4 address.  For example, there are 256 /32s in a /24.

Alan Barrett




From jwalu at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 21 16:53:16 2017
From: jwalu at yahoo.com (Walubengo J)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:53:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <6ECCE50C-6E1B-466B-86C3-359ECCCAC403@afrinic.net>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <1780747176.3354676.1498059047084@mail.yahoo.com>
 <6ECCE50C-6E1B-466B-86C3-359ECCCAC403@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <2143374768.596509.1498063996993@mail.yahoo.com>

thnx. now clear.
Trust engineers to say simple things the complex way :-)
walu

      From: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
   

> On 21 Jun 2017, at 17:30, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanx Alan for the update.
> 
> But meanwhile forgive my ignorance.? I am having trouble interpreting what it means to reclaim a /32 v4 address.
> 
> >>>
> 211968 IPv4 Addresses (/32s) were reclaimed
> >>>

Here, a /32 simply means an IPv4 address.? For example, there are 256 /32s in a /24.

Alan Barrett
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Thu Jun 22 18:29:05 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:29:05 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <FA4DAE12-9500-48A9-ADA3-DA759CD0F929@afrinic.net>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <FA4DAE12-9500-48A9-ADA3-DA759CD0F929@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWZOLCX4xY7nvMigv70kC8qep7yqQp91UC42pdQbJ4L3Yw@mail.gmail.com>

On 21 Jun 2017 7:17 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:


> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:59, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the effort and sharing this information.
>
> We will appreciate as a community that this information is and must be
made available online as part of the annual report[1]

We will develop processes for publishing a summary of recovered space in
the future.




Sounds like a plan and let the process consider publishing this information
each quarter if not annually please.



> Checking again the link ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/a
frinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest
>
> Besides the block below which you indicated as reserved per CPM 5.4.7.
>
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.224.0.0|1048576||reserved
>
> It does also shows for instance, the below space as reserved
>
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.160.0.0|524288||reserved
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.178.0.0|131072||reserved
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.180.0.0|65536||reserved

I will find out why that space is marked as reserved.



Looking forward indeed.



> And why is the recovered and/or reseved space not listed in Afrinic's
normal pool or at a dedicated web page like below for better trasparency.
>
> http://www.lacnic.net/web/lacnic/revocacion-de-recursos
>
> Why can't Afrinic create similar tools?

I think you are asking for Afrinic to publish similar information in
future.  Yes, we will do so, but it requires new internal tools to be
developed.



Yes I am and we look forward to a simple tool that is easy to parse and
find such information  from the stat file as well.



> And what is the rational behind the 2 years quarantine  before the
recovered space can be reallocated?
>
> What is the process of determining and/or restoring recovered space
reputation from previous activities

The existing process is purely internal.  We will produce a public summary
of the process.



Perfect and looking forward to that too.




> [1] By the way,  where is the annual report for 2016? The bylaws make its
publication mandatory.

The friendly version of the annual report will be published by 15 July.
The mandatory requirement in the bylaws is satisfied by the audited
financial report, but we recognise that members want more than that, and we
are committed to delivering a friendly version of the annual report.




In all honesty this is very disappointing. Even the so called friendly
version of the annual report which is VERY IMPORTAMT for members and the
community to assess the organization's achievements for its core activities
yet it's not ready 6 months after end of 2016 [1].

Cheers,
Noah


[1] If we are too improve accountability and transparency across the board,
having this reports published as earlier as possible will be better perhaps
within Q1 and before next AGMM please.
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Thu Jun 22 18:48:59 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:48:59 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Noah ?

An annual report ? by law ? has to contain the financials ? audits cannot even BEGIN until after the close of the financial year ? and audits take time ? and yes ? I am also not all that pleased that the ?friendly? audit report is not out yet ? but asking for a report in Q1 that is required to contain financials is entirely unrealistic.

Here is the thing ? while the board of directors has the power to approve the financials, and then bring them to the floor for adoption by the members ? until such time as they are approved and I would say adopted ? they cannot realistically be included in the ?friendly? annual report ? because the financials actually *ARE* the annual report ? the friendly version is what is added to that.

So ? either an annual report goes out with financials the community has not adopted ? and by the way ? annual reports are meant to be filed and once released are very difficult to withdraw and change ? or ? the community still gets to adopt the financials before they get put into formal publication ? one way ? you can have an early annual report ? the other way ? you can adopt the financials ? but it can?t be both ? that?s not the way it works.

By the way ? I have a serious and pressing concern that I will be raising on the members list about the adoption of the financials ? because I only realized this AFTER the Nairobi meeting ? under section 7.6.(i) the community has the power to adopt the financials ? and unless I am mistaken ? this was not done ? so I would like to ask the board of directors when this community will get to adopt said financials.

And while on the subject of transparency, I would also ask, that the board disclosure *ALL* the audit reports ? inclusive of the management letters which form part of the auditor?s report ? as per section 7.6.(ii) which expressly says that the registered and resource members have the right to receive *ANY* auditor?s report.

Thanks

Andrew

From: Noah [mailto:noah at neo.co.tz]
Sent: 22 June 2017 21:29
To: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources



On 21 Jun 2017 7:17 p.m., "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:59, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the effort and sharing this information.
>
> We will appreciate as a community that this information is and must be made available online as part of the annual report[1]
We will develop processes for publishing a summary of recovered space in the future.



Sounds like a plan and let the process consider publishing this information each quarter if not annually please.



> Checking again the link ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest<ftp://ftp.afrinic.net//stats/afrinic/delegated-afrinic-extended-latest>
>
> Besides the block below which you indicated as reserved per CPM 5.4.7.
>
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.224.0.0|1048576||reserved
>
> It does also shows for instance, the below space as reserved
>
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.160.0.0|524288||reserved
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.178.0.0|131072||reserved
> afrinic|ZZ|ipv4|102.180.0.0|65536||reserved
I will find out why that space is marked as reserved.


Looking forward indeed.



> And why is the recovered and/or reseved space not listed in Afrinic's normal pool or at a dedicated web page like below for better trasparency.
>
> http://www.lacnic.net/web/lacnic/revocacion-de-recursos<http://www.lacnic.net/web/lacnic/revocacion-de-recursos>
>
> Why can't Afrinic create similar tools?
I think you are asking for Afrinic to publish similar information in future.  Yes, we will do so, but it requires new internal tools to be developed.


Yes I am and we look forward to a simple tool that is easy to parse and find such information  from the stat file as well.



> And what is the rational behind the 2 years quarantine  before the recovered space can be reallocated?
>
> What is the process of determining and/or restoring recovered space reputation from previous activities
The existing process is purely internal.  We will produce a public summary of the process.


Perfect and looking forward to that too.




> [1] By the way,  where is the annual report for 2016? The bylaws make its publication mandatory.
The friendly version of the annual report will be published by 15 July.  The mandatory requirement in the bylaws is satisfied by the audited financial report, but we recognise that members want more than that, and we are committed to delivering a friendly version of the annual report.



In all honesty this is very disappointing. Even the so called friendly version of the annual report which is VERY IMPORTAMT for members and the community to assess the organization's achievements for its core activities yet it's not ready 6 months after end of 2016 [1].

Cheers,
Noah


[1] If we are too improve accountability and transparency across the board, having this reports published as earlier as possible will be better perhaps within Q1 and before next AGMM please.
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Thu Jun 22 19:28:19 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:28:19 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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On 22 Jun 2017 9:49 p.m., "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

Noah ?



An annual report ? by law ? has to contain the financials ? audits cannot
even BEGIN until after the close of the financial year ? and audits take
time ? and yes ? I am also not all that pleased that the ?friendly? audit
report is not out yet ? but asking for a report in Q1 that is required to
contain financials is entirely unrealistic.



Here is the thing ? while the board of directors has the power to approve
the financials, and then bring them to the floor for adoption by the
members ? until such time as they are approved and I would say adopted ?
they cannot realistically be included in the ?friendly? annual report ?
because the financials actually **ARE** the annual report ? the friendly
version is what is added to that.



So ? either an annual report goes out with financials the community has not
adopted ? and by the way ? annual reports are meant to be filed and once
released are very difficult to withdraw and change ? or ? the community
still gets to adopt the financials before they get put into formal
publication ? one way ? you can have an early annual report ? the other way
? you can adopt the financials ? but it can?t be both ? that?s not the way
it works.


Andrew,

Alright then and I get what you are saying, but the concern is still the 6
months delay its taken and is only expected in July 2017.

IMHO, the FS is a summary of the activity of AFRINIC in a given year
financially. As such, it would make sense for the report that explains the
details of the FS pending adoption by community and a report on AFRINIC
activities to be made available at the same time as the FS.

AFRINIC should combine both if need be and publish them as earlier as April
and before AGMM.



By the way ? I have a serious and pressing concern that I will be raising
on the members list about the adoption of the financials ? because I only
realized this AFTER the Nairobi meeting ? under section 7.6.(i) the
community has the power to adopt the financials ? and unless I am mistaken
? this was not done ? so I would like to ask the board of directors when
this community will get to adopt said financials.


As far as I remember,  you were seated with fellow board members during the
discussion on the FS and if memory serves the Chair called for the adoption
of the FS after the community discussing it and no one in the room
objected. I could also be wrong unless I check the video archives on
youtube :-).



And while on the subject of transparency, I would also ask, that the board
disclosure **ALL** the audit reports ? inclusive of the management letters
which form part of the auditor?s report ? as per section 7.6.(ii) which
expressly says that the registered and resource members have the right to
receive **ANY** auditor?s report.

The board is reading....

Noah
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 12:11:32 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Dear Noah,

Please see my comments inset:


On 22/06/2017 20:28, Noah wrote:
>
>
> On 22 Jun 2017 9:49 p.m., "Andrew Alston" 
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com 
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
>     Noah ?
>
>     An annual report ? by law ? has to contain the financials ? audits
>     cannot even BEGIN until after the close of the financial year ?
>     and audits take time ? and yes ? I am also not all that pleased
>     that the ?friendly? audit report is not out yet ? but asking for a
>     report in Q1 that is required to contain financials is entirely
>     unrealistic.
>
>     Here is the thing ? while the board of directors has the power to
>     approve the financials, and then bring them to the floor for
>     adoption by the members ? until such time as they are approved and
>     I would say adopted ? they cannot realistically be included in the
>     ?friendly? annual report ? because the financials actually **ARE**
>     the annual report ? the friendly version is what is added to that.
>
>     So ? either an annual report goes out with financials the
>     community has not adopted ? and by the way ? annual reports are
>     meant to be filed and once released are very difficult to withdraw
>     and change ? or ? the community still gets to adopt the financials
>     before they get put into formal publication ? one way ? you can
>     have an early annual report ? the other way ? you can adopt the
>     financials ? but it can?t be both ? that?s not the way it works.
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> Alright then and I get what you are saying, but the concern is still 
> the 6 months delay its taken and is only expected in July 2017.
>
> IMHO, the FS is a summary of the activity of AFRINIC in a given year 
> financially. As such, it would make sense for the report that explains 
> the details of the FS pending adoption by community and a report on 
> AFRINIC activities to be made available at the same time as the FS.
> AFRINIC should combine both if need be and publish them as earlier as 
> April and before AGMM.

It is not the fault of the Staff, I did not send the Chairman's 
statement on time. There is indeed a process for making the report. I 
have asked that the process be changed, to give all contributors a 
heads-up earlier.

We will work towards publising before the AGMM next year.

>     By the way ? I have a serious and pressing concern that I will be
>     raising on the members list about the adoption of the financials ?
>     because I only realized this AFTER the Nairobi meeting ? under
>     section 7.6.(i) the community has the power to adopt the
>     financials ? and unless I am mistaken ? this was not done ? so I
>     would like to ask the board of directors when this community will
>     get to adopt said financials.
>
>
> As far as I remember,  you were seated with fellow board members 
> during the discussion on the FS and if memory serves the Chair called 
> for the adoption of the FS after the community discussing it and no 
> one in the room objected. I could also be wrong unless I check the 
> video archives on youtube :-).

I did not formally call for a vote to approve the report, but I indeed 
asked for anyone who still had comments or objections on the report.

Those present will recall that we decided to discuss all the reports 
together, but by the time we got to discussing the reports, we needed to 
go on break and come back for the elections. Everyone wanted us to move on.

The Legal counsel has advised me that since there was no objection, this 
can be fixed without an SGMM.


>
>     And while on the subject of transparency, I would also ask, that
>     the board disclosure **ALL** the audit reports ? inclusive of the
>     management letters which form part of the auditor?s report ? as
>     per section 7.6.(ii) which expressly says that the registered and
>     resource members have the right to receive **ANY** auditor?s report.
>
> The board is reading....

Yes. reading loud and clear.

The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial 
Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a 
confidential document.

>
> Noah
>
>
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Sunday.

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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Fri Jun 23 12:28:52 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:28:52 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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And while on the subject of transparency, I would also ask, that the board disclosure *ALL* the audit reports ? inclusive of the management letters which form part of the auditor?s report ? as per section 7.6.(ii) which expressly says that the registered and resource members have the right to receive *ANY* auditor?s report.
The board is reading....

Yes. reading loud and clear.

The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.


Sunday ? then change the bylaws ? the management letter forms a part of the auditors report to the board ? indeed an auditor will not finalize without what is in there being addressed ? it is a standard part of any audit report.  The bylaws are explicit ? members have the right to *ANY* report from the auditors ? no exceptions ? no limitations.  I understand as well as you do that there are confidential documents which the board cannot share ? however ? if the right is explicitly granted in the bylaws ? then there is no option but to share.  That is the nature of the bylaws ? and the board does not have the right or the authority to ignore them

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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Fri Jun 23 14:32:03 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:32:03 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.

Why would the management letter be . Confidential????


From jnoulaye at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 15:06:14 2017
From: jnoulaye at gmail.com (Janvier NGNOULAYE)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:06:14 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Le 23 juin 2017 15:31, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> a ?crit :



Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial
Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential
document.

Why would the management letter be . Confidential????


Badru, because it is a management letter. Take it like this. It is a common
principle in management.
People or community should have a little confidence to the people they
elected to carry the business of the company.
Regards,
/Janvier

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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Fri Jun 23 15:13:54 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:13:54 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Janvier,

Sorry ? but let me put this another way ?

Confidence is a product of transparency ? and when the bylaws of the company say that the member base can see documents ? we either change the bylaws to say they can?t ? or when requested to ? the documents get disclosed as per the bylaws.

A few weeks ago ? I asked this community about transparency in the financials and more transparency about what we wanted to see ? I was met with curious silence from most quarters ? and I?d really like to see more discussion on that as well.

The reality is ? we?ve come a LONG way in the last few years in terms of transparency ? but have we come far enough?  I don?t believe so.  Furthermore ? to be quite frank ? while I trust the management of today ? I have no idea what the management will be like in the future ? and therefore ? it is necessary to lay the groundwork and set the precedents that force on going long term sustainable transparency.  So ? if the bylaws grant the access to things ? let it be shared ? there should be nothing to hide anyway ? because after all ? if there are problems ? this community can sometimes assist in finding solutions to those problems and discussing them openly.  However, if there are problems and they are dealt with behind closed doors with the lights off ? well ? that is not exactly conducive to trust is it?

Andrew


From: Janvier NGNOULAYE [mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com]
Sent: 23 June 2017 18:06
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources



Le 23 juin 2017 15:31, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> a ?crit :


Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.
Why would the management letter be . Confidential????

Badru, because it is a management letter. Take it like this. It is a common principle in management.
People or community should have a little confidence to the people they elected to carry the business of the company.
Regards,
/Janvier
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From jnoulaye at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 15:58:15 2017
From: jnoulaye at gmail.com (Janvier NGNOULAYE)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:58:15 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Dear Andrew and all,
I hope you will get me well here.
" the member base can see the document" does it mean those documents should
be published to the community? I think this clause into the bylaw requests
to any member to access to the documents when he/she asks. Based on this I
can't see any false in transparency. There is no need to change the bylaw
on this, but to give a correct reading on it.
So Trust and Patience are the key values the community should build vis ?
vis the leaders of the Company, of cause in respect of the bylaw and
company Act, with the correct reading.
Nice week-end to All.
Janvier Ngnoulaye


Le 23 juin 2017 16:14, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> a
?crit :

Janvier,



Sorry ? but let me put this another way ?



Confidence is a product of transparency ? and when the bylaws of the
company say that the member base can see documents ? we either change the
bylaws to say they can?t ? or when requested to ? the documents get
disclosed as per the bylaws.



A few weeks ago ? I asked this community about transparency in the
financials and more transparency about what we wanted to see ? I was met
with curious silence from most quarters ? and I?d really like to see more
discussion on that as well.



The reality is ? we?ve come a LONG way in the last few years in terms of
transparency ? but have we come far enough?  I don?t believe so.
Furthermore ? to be quite frank ? while I trust the management of today ? I
have no idea what the management will be like in the future ? and therefore
? it is necessary to lay the groundwork and set the precedents that force
on going long term sustainable transparency.  So ? if the bylaws grant the
access to things ? let it be shared ? there should be nothing to hide
anyway ? because after all ? if there are problems ? this community can
sometimes assist in finding solutions to those problems and discussing them
openly.  However, if there are problems and they are dealt with behind
closed doors with the lights off ? well ? that is not exactly conducive to
trust is it?



Andrew





*From:* Janvier NGNOULAYE [mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com]
*Sent:* 23 June 2017 18:06
*To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

*Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources







Le 23 juin 2017 15:31, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> a ?crit :



Sent from my iPhone


> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial
Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential
document.

Why would the management letter be . Confidential????



Badru, because it is a management letter. Take it like this. It is a common
principle in management.

People or community should have a little confidence to the people they
elected to carry the business of the company.

Regards,

/Janvier

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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Fri Jun 23 16:06:57 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:06:57 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Ok ? but Janvier ? at that point ? this doesn?t make much sense ? because ? under the rules (see a resolution published I believe in 2014 or 2015), the moment you disclose to any member ? it may as well be disclosed to all ? since any document disclosed to an individual not bound by the AFRINIC NDA is considered in the public domain (I can find the exact resolution number and give you a link to it if you want)

So ? fine ? let someone ask for it let it be disclosed and let them publish it ? either way ? the point is ? the community has a right to see it

Andrew


From: Janvier NGNOULAYE [mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com]
Sent: 23 June 2017 18:58
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Dear Andrew and all,
I hope you will get me well here.
" the member base can see the document" does it mean those documents should be published to the community? I think this clause into the bylaw requests to any member to access to the documents when he/she asks. Based on this I can't see any false in transparency. There is no need to change the bylaw on this, but to give a correct reading on it.
So Trust and Patience are the key values the community should build vis ? vis the leaders of the Company, of cause in respect of the bylaw and company Act, with the correct reading.
Nice week-end to All.
Janvier Ngnoulaye


Le 23 juin 2017 16:14, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> a ?crit :
Janvier,

Sorry ? but let me put this another way ?

Confidence is a product of transparency ? and when the bylaws of the company say that the member base can see documents ? we either change the bylaws to say they can?t ? or when requested to ? the documents get disclosed as per the bylaws.

A few weeks ago ? I asked this community about transparency in the financials and more transparency about what we wanted to see ? I was met with curious silence from most quarters ? and I?d really like to see more discussion on that as well.

The reality is ? we?ve come a LONG way in the last few years in terms of transparency ? but have we come far enough?  I don?t believe so.  Furthermore ? to be quite frank ? while I trust the management of today ? I have no idea what the management will be like in the future ? and therefore ? it is necessary to lay the groundwork and set the precedents that force on going long term sustainable transparency.  So ? if the bylaws grant the access to things ? let it be shared ? there should be nothing to hide anyway ? because after all ? if there are problems ? this community can sometimes assist in finding solutions to those problems and discussing them openly.  However, if there are problems and they are dealt with behind closed doors with the lights off ? well ? that is not exactly conducive to trust is it?

Andrew


From: Janvier NGNOULAYE [mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com<mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com>]
Sent: 23 June 2017 18:06
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>

Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources



Le 23 juin 2017 15:31, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> a ?crit :


Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.
Why would the management letter be . Confidential????

Badru, because it is a management letter. Take it like this. It is a common principle in management.
People or community should have a little confidence to the people they elected to carry the business of the company.
Regards,
/Janvier
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 03:32:14 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 07:32:14 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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2017-06-23 19:58 GMT+04:00 Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com>:

> " the member base can see the document" does it mean those documents
> should be published to the community?
>

AfriNIC get it's legitimacy from The Community
Membership is just subset of The Community



-- 
Borg le Chevalier
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 03:39:40 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 07:39:40 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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2017-06-23 20:06 GMT+04:00 Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>:

> So ? fine ? let someone ask for it let it be disclosed and let them
> publish it ? either way ? the point is ? the community has a right to see it



Since it concern audit and money. It is important for membership to know.

-A- If there is someting bad inside  letter, CEO and board had
responsiblity to inform members/community and tell us what is being done to
fix
-B- If there is nothing bad inside letter, that only increase our confidence

That is how we build TRUST. which before anyone is like a bank account. You
cannot keep withdrawing (no answering simple question from community,
calling on confidentiality, NDA etc) without making deposit (be more
transparent, disclosing thing before the go bad, etc) and expect thing to
go well.



-- 
Borg le Chevalier
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 04:11:13 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:11:13 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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2017-06-16 19:25 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>:

>
> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to
> do so?
>


if issue concern resources (which AFRINIC hold and manage on behalf of this
community). yes we expect reponse, even if is to point to correct link




>
> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
> appropriate person?
>


if CEO and chair have not at this time understand what each should respond
to, we have a problem.
we expect answers about operational thing to come from CEO first. of course
if CEO is not respond, the community can ask board chair intervention
if you have to cordinate with CEO behind to get and answer, do it. what is
NOT good is long period of silence to legitime question.




>
> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
> time?.
>


will doing that help us community? or break us? is this common sense thing
to do? with reasonable timeline?
let not forget that this community has see many thing asked, ignored and
buried.


>
> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead
> of "can someone respond?"
>


See answer to no. 2 question



>
> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent
> questions on the mailing lists?
>


on thing that concern them directly - yes
on thing that concern whole community - no



>
> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy
> or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>


do we have to tell people how to do their job here?
in any case this is community discuss, not RPD
the big question: is an engage community something the company and board
want? how does that happen and where?


>
> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
> answers from the CEO and relay?
>

See answer to no. 2 question


>
> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>




>
> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>


this is how an active community look like. we cannot have conversation with
ourself so please give us respect of answer when we have questions. they
must not be immediat, but at least engage.

-- 
Borg le Chevalier
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Sat Jun 24 09:29:04 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:29:04 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Chevalier

I like the way you have responded to this. If only someone was listening or reading from the other side

Role of chair and CEO are more than title. They are roles with unique responsibilities.

Regards


Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Jun 2017, at 07:12, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com<mailto:virtual.borg at gmail.com>> wrote:


2017-06-16 19:25 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>:

1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do so?


if issue concern resources (which AFRINIC hold and manage on behalf of this community). yes we expect reponse, even if is to point to correct link




2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an appropriate person?


if CEO and chair have not at this time understand what each should respond to, we have a problem.
we expect answers about operational thing to come from CEO first. of course if CEO is not respond, the community can ask board chair intervention
if you have to cordinate with CEO behind to get and answer, do it. what is NOT good is long period of silence to legitime question.




3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response time?.


will doing that help us community? or break us? is this common sense thing to do? with reasonable timeline?
let not forget that this community has see many thing asked, ignored and buried.


4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of "can someone respond?"


See answer to no. 2 question



5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions on the mailing lists?


on thing that concern them directly - yes
on thing that concern whole community - no



6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?


do we have to tell people how to do their job here?
in any case this is community discuss, not RPD
the big question: is an engage community something the company and board want? how does that happen and where?


7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract answers from the CEO and relay?

See answer to no. 2 question


8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?




It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?


this is how an active community look like. we cannot have conversation with ourself so please give us respect of answer when we have questions. they must not be immediat, but at least engage.

--
Borg le Chevalier
___________________________________
"Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Mon Jun 26 06:34:47 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:34:47 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Hi Andrew,
At 10:42 PM 6/4/2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to 
>meetings around the world ? should board members 
>be able to attend these conferences without ever 
>supplying reports about what was accomplished at 
>said meetings and what the purpose of the 
>expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept 
>that these meetings must be useful without further questions.

Afrinic is also a Regional Internet Registry 
(RIR).  Is it useful for it to have a presence at 
RIR-related conferences?  If so, at what level should the presence be?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From jacksonmuthi at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 06:56:01 2017
From: jacksonmuthi at gmail.com (Jackson Muthili)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:56:01 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:34 AM,  <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> At 10:42 PM 6/4/2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>>
>> e.)    When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world ?
>> should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever
>> supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the
>> purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these
>> meetings must be useful without further questions.
>
>
> Afrinic is also a Regional Internet Registry (RIR).  Is it useful for it to
> have a presence at RIR-related conferences?  If so, at what level should the
> presence be?

Why are you bothered?

There is a CEO for these kind of matters.


>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss



From ish at lsl.digital  Mon Jun 26 07:36:33 2017
From: ish at lsl.digital (Ish Sookun)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:36:33 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170625223550.0bb6bad0@elandnews.com>
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Message-ID: <b6ed65d0-9aa8-0025-aaf8-266674684c96@lsl.digital>

Hi SM,

On 06/26/2017 10:34 AM, sm+afrinic at elandsys.com wrote:
> 
> Afrinic is also a Regional Internet Registry (RIR).  Is it useful for it
> to have a presence at RIR-related conferences?  If so, at what level
> should the presence be?

I understand that Andrew is asking about transparency and not the
usefulness of the meetings beforehand. The community will be in a better
position to understand the usefulness of board members presence in the
meetings if there are reports about the accomplishments.

Regards,

Ish Sookun




From ali at hussein.me.ke  Mon Jun 26 08:17:47 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:17:47 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Both are equally important.

1. Transparency for Corporate Governance :-)

2. Usefulness for Operational Efficiency or best use of always scarce organizational funds.

I'm sure however that there's already a system in place to do this. If so question then is how these reports are presented to the community. 

It goes back to the issue on Corporate Governance. Ideally such issues should be addressed by a Board Charter. Which is simply a written policy document that clearly defines the respective roles, responsibilities and authorities of the Board of Directors  (both individually and collectively) and management in setting the direction, the management and the control of the organisation.

May I suggest that we look at this document if there is one (which I couldn't find on the AfriNIC Website) and the respective body within AfriNIC (NomComm?) looks at updating it to reflect current realities and if there isn't one maybe it's time to have one? 

Regards 

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
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Sent from my iPad

> On 26 Jun 2017, at 9:36 AM, Ish Sookun <ish at lsl.digital> wrote:
> 
> Hi SM,
> 
>> On 06/26/2017 10:34 AM, sm+afrinic at elandsys.com wrote:
>> 
>> Afrinic is also a Regional Internet Registry (RIR).  Is it useful for it
>> to have a presence at RIR-related conferences?  If so, at what level
>> should the presence be?
> 
> I understand that Andrew is asking about transparency and not the
> usefulness of the meetings beforehand. The community will be in a better
> position to understand the usefulness of board members presence in the
> meetings if there are reports about the accomplishments.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ish Sookun
> 
> 
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Mon Jun 26 08:23:29 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 01:23:29 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Hi Ish,
At 12:36 AM 6/26/2017, Ish Sookun wrote:
>I understand that Andrew is asking about transparency and not the
>usefulness of the meetings beforehand. The community will be in a better
>position to understand the usefulness of board members presence in the
>meetings if there are reports about the accomplishments.

I met several persons from Africa over the last few days.  I 
appreciate that they took some time to have a conversation with 
me.  I would not list that as an accomplishment as it is not 
something which has visible results.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From silber.mike at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 10:32:16 2017
From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:32:16 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Colleagues

I agree with the views expressed and I suspect (subject to correction) that it is being considered from a leadership perspective.

At the same time it is very difficult to anyone to try and tease / extrapolate / imagine queries requiring responses from this list. Many questions asked here are rhetorical, others are hypothetical and others (with respect) do not even make sense. There is also a level of vitriol and assignment of blame that is not helpful.

I would like to propose a formal process to do with community queries. I would like to propose the creation of a form or similar guide to actually direct queries raised to ensure that board and CEO actually know what is being asked, why and can provide a full response.

This is not to ?protect? the board and CEO, because the next step is to put in an SLA. Once we have a formal request submitted we can start measuring. We can also track outstanding issues. I would expect an SLA regarding acknowledgement of receipt, an SLA for triage (an answer if the request is simple, a refusal if appropriate or notification to the requestor regarding where the request has been assigned and when a response can be expected) and and SLA for a response.

Regards

Mike  

> On 24 Jun 2017, at 11:29, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> Chevalier
> 
> I like the way you have responded to this. If only someone was listening or reading from the other side 
> 
> Role of chair and CEO are more than title. They are roles with unique responsibilities.  
> 
> Regards 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 24 Jun 2017, at 07:12, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com <mailto:virtual.borg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 2017-06-16 19:25 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do so?
>> 
>> 
>> if issue concern resources (which AFRINIC hold and manage on behalf of this community). yes we expect reponse, even if is to point to correct link
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an appropriate person?
>> 
>> 
>> if CEO and chair have not at this time understand what each should respond to, we have a problem.
>> we expect answers about operational thing to come from CEO first. of course if CEO is not respond, the community can ask board chair intervention
>> if you have to cordinate with CEO behind to get and answer, do it. what is NOT good is long period of silence to legitime question.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response time?.
>> 
>> 
>> will doing that help us community? or break us? is this common sense thing to do? with reasonable timeline?
>> let not forget that this community has see many thing asked, ignored and buried. 
>>  
>> 
>> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of "can someone respond?"
>> 
>> 
>> See answer to no. 2 question
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions on the mailing lists?
>> 
>> 
>> on thing that concern them directly - yes
>> on thing that concern whole community - no
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>> 
>> 
>> do we have to tell people how to do their job here?
>> in any case this is community discuss, not RPD
>> the big question: is an engage community something the company and board want? how does that happen and where?
>>  
>> 
>> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract answers from the CEO and relay?
>> 
>> See answer to no. 2 question
>>  
>> 
>> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>> 
>> 
>> this is how an active community look like. we cannot have conversation with ourself so please give us respect of answer when we have questions. they must not be immediat, but at least engage.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Borg le Chevalier
>> ___________________________________
>> "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
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From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:58:05 +0400
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2017-06-26 14:32 GMT+04:00 Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>:

> Colleagues
>
> At the same time it is very difficult to anyone to try and tease /
> extrapolate / imagine queries requiring responses from this list. Many
> questions asked here are rhetorical, others are hypothetical and others
> (with respect) do not even make sense. There is also a level of vitriol and
> assignment of blame that is not helpful.
>

True about some stupid question, but those are minority.

We trusts the people we have elect to board and the man board has selected
to be CEO to figure out the differences. After all, maturity is a key to
doing that jobs well.



>
> I would like to propose a formal process to do with community queries. I
> would like to propose the creation of a form or similar guide to actually
> direct queries raised to ensure that board and CEO actually know what is
> being asked, why and can provide a full response.
>
> This is not to ?protect? the board and CEO, because the next step is to
> put in an SLA. Once we have a formal request submitted we can start
> measuring. We can also track outstanding issues. I would expect an SLA
> regarding acknowledgement of receipt, an SLA for triage (an answer if the
> request is simple, a refusal if appropriate or notification to the
> requestor regarding where the request has been assigned and when a response
> can be expected) and and SLA for a response.
>


I like this idea. But AFRINIC must post stat of that form every week? two
week? month to this list

-1- How many query?
-2- What categories e.g. 'PDP', 'Finance', 'Annual Report' etc etc
-3- Resolution
etc etc

 But before we put that form and internal procedure at AfriNIC, let me sure
this is someting community will love to see instead of just create another
channel to increase works on staff and kill public discussion. Afterall, is
that not reason this mailing list was create?



>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
> On 24 Jun 2017, at 11:29, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>
> Chevalier
>
> I like the way you have responded to this. If only someone was listening
> or reading from the other side
>
> Role of chair and CEO are more than title. They are roles with unique
> responsibilities.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 24 Jun 2017, at 07:12, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> 2017-06-16 19:25 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>:
>
>>
>> 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to
>> do so?
>>
>
>
> if issue concern resources (which AFRINIC hold and manage on behalf of
> this community). yes we expect reponse, even if is to point to correct link
>
>
>
>
>>
>> 2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an
>> appropriate person?
>>
>
>
> if CEO and chair have not at this time understand what each should respond
> to, we have a problem.
> we expect answers about operational thing to come from CEO first. of
> course if CEO is not respond, the community can ask board chair intervention
> if you have to cordinate with CEO behind to get and answer, do it. what is
> NOT good is long period of silence to legitime question.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> 3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response
>> time?.
>>
>
>
> will doing that help us community? or break us? is this common sense thing
> to do? with reasonable timeline?
> let not forget that this community has see many thing asked, ignored and
> buried.
>
>
>>
>> 4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead
>> of "can someone respond?"
>>
>
>
> See answer to no. 2 question
>
>
>
>>
>> 5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent
>> questions on the mailing lists?
>>
>
>
> on thing that concern them directly - yes
> on thing that concern whole community - no
>
>
>
>>
>> 6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy
>> or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?
>>
>
>
> do we have to tell people how to do their job here?
> in any case this is community discuss, not RPD
> the big question: is an engage community something the company and board
> want? how does that happen and where?
>
>
>>
>> 7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract
>> answers from the CEO and relay?
>>
>
> See answer to no. 2 question
>
>
>>
>> 8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?
>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?
>>
>
>
> this is how an active community look like. we cannot have conversation
> with ourself so please give us respect of answer when we have questions.
> they must not be immediat, but at least engage.
>
> --
> Borg le Chevalier
> ___________________________________
> "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
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>


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From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:02:45 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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2017-06-26 12:23 GMT+04:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:

> I met several persons from Africa over the last few days.  I appreciate
> that they took some time to have a conversation with me.  I would not list
> that as an accomplishment as it is not something which has visible results.



But there must be reason for which AfriNIC pay air flight, hotel and
allowance for you (or any board member) to travel to a not-AfriNIC meeting
right? It ok, if community agree that it's a benefit of being board member.
Let just declare that and so long as it not a huge financial burden on
company, fine. Let focus on important thing.


-- 
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Mon Jun 26 13:11:41 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 13:11:41 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016
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Mike

What you are suggesting is a result of what happens in an organization when trust is erroded.

As much as I think this might work I do not beleive it's what we want.  I would like the return of the spirit within Afrinic was born. An error where we trusted each other and the board had enough humility to come to the community and say we have a problem and this is how we think we can solve it.

This was before the era of NDA's. Where we even ask our founding members who gave so much to ensure we have an AfriNic are forced to sign NDA's.

I beleive our community is and should be beyond that. This is a community built on passion and voluntary contribution.  The board is our conduit to our company and staff.

I still believe if the board chooses it has the capacity and ability to respond queries in time. The CEO is an employee of the organization and they are some responses he should be sheilded from if the chair and vice took their leadership role seriously. We also have 8 competent board members and that team can work in a synchronized way.

Let's avoid the draconian methods which kill not only our trust in each other but also our cultural norms.

Afrinic is and will always be bigger than anyone of us. It belongs to the community of which the members are a subset.

I urge chair and board as a whole to take up the mantle of returning to the principles that created the Organization we call AfriNIC recognizing that it serves the entire region and appreciating the diversity that this brings.

Let's do the simple basic things we know we must do and the complicated parts will always find a resolution.

Regards.

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Jun 2017, at 13:34, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com<mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:

Colleagues

I agree with the views expressed and I suspect (subject to correction) that it is being considered from a leadership perspective.

At the same time it is very difficult to anyone to try and tease / extrapolate / imagine queries requiring responses from this list. Many questions asked here are rhetorical, others are hypothetical and others (with respect) do not even make sense. There is also a level of vitriol and assignment of blame that is not helpful.

I would like to propose a formal process to do with community queries. I would like to propose the creation of a form or similar guide to actually direct queries raised to ensure that board and CEO actually know what is being asked, why and can provide a full response.

This is not to ?protect? the board and CEO, because the next step is to put in an SLA. Once we have a formal request submitted we can start measuring. We can also track outstanding issues. I would expect an SLA regarding acknowledgement of receipt, an SLA for triage (an answer if the request is simple, a refusal if appropriate or notification to the requestor regarding where the request has been assigned and when a response can be expected) and and SLA for a response.

Regards

Mike

On 24 Jun 2017, at 11:29, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

Chevalier

I like the way you have responded to this. If only someone was listening or reading from the other side

Role of chair and CEO are more than title. They are roles with unique responsibilities.

Regards


Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Jun 2017, at 07:12, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com<mailto:virtual.borg at gmail.com>> wrote:


2017-06-16 19:25 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>:

1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to do so?


if issue concern resources (which AFRINIC hold and manage on behalf of this community). yes we expect reponse, even if is to point to correct link




2. Should Chair or CEO acknowledge all questions and routes to an appropriate person?


if CEO and chair have not at this time understand what each should respond to, we have a problem.
we expect answers about operational thing to come from CEO first. of course if CEO is not respond, the community can ask board chair intervention
if you have to cordinate with CEO behind to get and answer, do it. what is NOT good is long period of silence to legitime question.




3. Chair or CEO acknowledges all posts and provides an estimated response time?.


will doing that help us community? or break us? is this common sense thing to do? with reasonable timeline?
let not forget that this community has see many thing asked, ignored and buried.


4. Should members explicitly address chair or CEO in discussions instead of "can someone respond?"


See answer to no. 2 question



5. Should members directly write Afrinic instead of posting urgent questions on the mailing lists?


on thing that concern them directly - yes
on thing that concern whole community - no



6. Should Afrinic policy liaison monitors the lists and brings noteworthy or urgent issues to the attention of the CEO as the case may be?


do we have to tell people how to do their job here?
in any case this is community discuss, not RPD
the big question: is an engage community something the company and board want? how does that happen and where?


7. Should the chair always respond to all operational issues or extract answers from the CEO and relay?

See answer to no. 2 question


8. Are you addressing Chair, Board, Staff or all?




It is important that I get you right. What do you suggest?


this is how an active community look like. we cannot have conversation with ourself so please give us respect of answer when we have questions. they must not be immediat, but at least engage.

--
Borg le Chevalier
___________________________________
"Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
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From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 18:29:14 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Call for Papers Now Out!
Message-ID: <d14c7f71-fd1a-2fad-e9b3-c43a6b22c94d@seacom.mu>

Hello all.

It gives me great pleasure to announce that the SAFNOG-3 Call for Papers
is now out.

You may review the CfP and all relevant submission details at the link
below:

	http://safnog.org/papers.html

We are working hard to put together an exciting, educational,
informative and memorable agenda for this year's meeting.

We look forward to receiving your submissions, and seeing you in Durban
for our next meeting.

Cheers,

Mark Tinka
On Behalf of the SAFNOG Management Committee




From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Mon Jun 26 20:27:27 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 13:27:27 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <CAH5aO8fvBujLaDEeO2XupUJ4C-ndr8s40JvYPBtQcGMb9tw7xQ@mail.g
 mail.com>
References: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <6.2.5.6.2.20170625223550.0bb6bad0@elandnews.com>
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170626091248.0fe82d50@elandnews.com>

Hello,
At 04:02 AM 6/26/2017, Chevalier du Borg wrote:
>But there must be reason for which AfriNIC pay air flight, hotel and 
>allowance for you (or any board member) to travel to a not-AfriNIC 
>meeting right? It ok, if community agree that it's a benefit of 
>being board member. Let just declare that and so long as it not a 
>huge financial burden on company, fine. Let focus on important thing.

I suggest looking it this way: there would be some reason for me to 
choose to attend a meeting.  I don't think that "it's a benefit of 
being" is a good reason.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From sfolayan at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 20:34:49 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:34:49 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <1D8F3FF5-8F12-4C02-B433-512D19C97A95@nftconsult.com>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <FA4DAE12-9500-48A9-ADA3-DA759CD0F929@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWZOLCX4xY7nvMigv70kC8qep7yqQp91UC42pdQbJ4L3Yw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AM4PR03MB1794B7C6D5210E53FE72360FEEDB0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAEqgTWZOpNnCJ-VMKskt0_D1a5S2GAcLB2TeABa2zfFobd_Gjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <b9e1fa40-ae9f-475e-0148-7d381580d879@gmail.com>
 <1D8F3FF5-8F12-4C02-B433-512D19C97A95@nftconsult.com>
Message-ID: <49ab87b2-4cc5-2e21-4a0f-3dcfa29fceff@gmail.com>

Dear Community members,

The Board has confirmed from the auditors that the Management letter is 
not part of the Audit Report.

The cover note of the Management letter indeed has a part that reads ....

*"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit**
**committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone**
**other than these specified parties."*

Because of this, we can't and should not share the management letter.

I hope this clears the matter.

Best Regards ...

Sunday Folayan.

Chair, AFRINIC Board


On 23/06/2017 15:32, Badru Ntege wrote:
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan<sfolayan at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.
> Why would the management letter be . Confidential????
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 20:50:54 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:50:54 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board meets the ICANN Board
Message-ID: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>

Dear Community,

I bring you greetings from the Sandton Convention Center in Johannesbourg.

This afternoon, I was privileged to lead the AfriNIC board members to 
meet with the ICANN Board, led by Steve Crocker at the ongoing ICANN 
meeting. The meeting centered on the efforts of the AfriNIC Board at 
learning best practices, with a view to improving our processes and 
accountability to the community.

The Agenda of the meeting specifically was:
1. Limits of Board Transparency and Board Confidentiality
2. Management of open Board Meetings.

The interaction was open, engaging and interesting. I note in no 
particular order, the takeaways from the meeting as:
1. ICANN membership is different from AFRINIC membership
2. The multi-stakeholder model works
3. Trust must be built. It does not just come
4. It is important to engage in a structured way
5. Accountability is key
6. Resources are needed to stay ahead of the curve
7. AFRINIC has made good progress since inception and there is room for 
improvement

This engagement is following on the heels of us also meeting the APNIC 
Board at the recently concluded AIS'17 meeting in Nairobi.

The Board is committed to ensuring that the organization is responsive 
and accountable, and we do request the cooperation of the community as 
we seek ways to improve the Board/membership/Community interactions. We 
seek your continued support in this regard.

Our appreciation to Pierre Dandjinou, Khaled Koubaa and Mike Silber for 
their respective roles in the engaging meeting.

Best Regards,

Sunday Folayan
Chair, AFRINIC Board



From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Mon Jun 26 23:31:11 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:31:11 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <49ab87b2-4cc5-2e21-4a0f-3dcfa29fceff@gmail.com>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <FA4DAE12-9500-48A9-ADA3-DA759CD0F929@afrinic.net>
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 <1D8F3FF5-8F12-4C02-B433-512D19C97A95@nftconsult.com>
 <49ab87b2-4cc5-2e21-4a0f-3dcfa29fceff@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AM4PR03MB17940BF180BA06B34F4AADC3EEDF0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Sunday,

Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:


"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
other than these specified parties."
Now, let me quote from the bylaws:

7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
(ii) receive any auditor's report;

So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ? and is from the auditors.
Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report ? NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*

As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  Are you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?

Andrew


From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
Sent: 26 June 2017 23:35
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Dear Community members,

The Board has confirmed from the auditors that the Management letter is not part of the Audit Report.

The cover note of the Management letter indeed has a part that reads ....

"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
other than these specified parties."

Because of this, we can't and should not share the management letter.

I hope this clears the matter.

Best Regards ...

Sunday Folayan.

Chair, AFRINIC Board

On 23/06/2017 15:32, Badru Ntege wrote:



Sent from my iPhone



On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:



The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.

Why would the management letter be . Confidential????
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 02:45:42 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:45:42 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170626091248.0fe82d50@elandnews.com>
References: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH5aO8etcwznuRDwdSYO2ALzPZT3nWDeWwXJczjcjncn_ajCKg@mail.gmail.com>

So IF board member attending a non-AfriNIC meeting is not a perk/benefit of
being a board member, THEN surely the board member should give us a short
report on why the company is spend money on them to travel no?

I don't think community has problem with some perk/benefits for board
members that are reasonable [no, I don't know what % of travel budget
reasonable is].

2017-06-27 0:27 GMT+04:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:

> Hello,
> At 04:02 AM 6/26/2017, Chevalier du Borg wrote:
>
>> But there must be reason for which AfriNIC pay air flight, hotel and
>> allowance for you (or any board member) to travel to a not-AfriNIC meeting
>> right? It ok, if community agree that it's a benefit of being board member.
>> Let just declare that and so long as it not a huge financial burden on
>> company, fine. Let focus on important thing.
>>
>
> I suggest looking it this way: there would be some reason for me to choose
> to attend a meeting.  I don't think that "it's a benefit of being" is a
> good reason.
>
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>



-- 
Borg le Chevalier
___________________________________
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Tue Jun 27 02:51:53 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:51:53 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board meets the ICANN Board
In-Reply-To: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>
References: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82E5ECC2-791E-48A3-9110-B94EF3F8C07F@nftconsult.com>

Chair 

Thanks for the update. I note that the takeaways are very similar to requests that have been coming from the community over the last few years.  In particular I note your item 3 which I urge the board makes a priority. 

We the community and members (a subset of the community) wait in anticipation as you guide the board back to these values.

Regards 

Badru Ntege







> On 26 Jun 2017, at 11:52 pm, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> I bring you greetings from the Sandton Convention Center in Johannesbourg.
> 
> This afternoon, I was privileged to lead the AfriNIC board members to meet with the ICANN Board, led by Steve Crocker at the ongoing ICANN meeting. The meeting centered on the efforts of the AfriNIC Board at learning best practices, with a view to improving our processes and accountability to the community.
> 
> The Agenda of the meeting specifically was:
> 1. Limits of Board Transparency and Board Confidentiality
> 2. Management of open Board Meetings.
> 
> The interaction was open, engaging and interesting. I note in no particular order, the takeaways from the meeting as:
> 1. ICANN membership is different from AFRINIC membership
> 2. The multi-stakeholder model works
> 3. Trust must be built. It does not just come
> 4. It is important to engage in a structured way
> 5. Accountability is key
> 6. Resources are needed to stay ahead of the curve
> 7. AFRINIC has made good progress since inception and there is room for improvement
> 
> This engagement is following on the heels of us also meeting the APNIC Board at the recently concluded AIS'17 meeting in Nairobi.
> 
> The Board is committed to ensuring that the organization is responsive and accountable, and we do request the cooperation of the community as we seek ways to improve the Board/membership/Community interactions. We seek your continued support in this regard.
> 
> Our appreciation to Pierre Dandjinou, Khaled Koubaa and Mike Silber for their respective roles in the engaging meeting.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sunday Folayan
> Chair, AFRINIC Board
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss



From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Tue Jun 27 02:57:26 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:57:26 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <49ab87b2-4cc5-2e21-4a0f-3dcfa29fceff@gmail.com>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
 <CAEqgTWbKfjrB+yz68LwUei-ku_Ww4rqmCnQcbNowfg7etEEjJw@mail.gmail.com>
 <FA4DAE12-9500-48A9-ADA3-DA759CD0F929@afrinic.net>
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 <49ab87b2-4cc5-2e21-4a0f-3dcfa29fceff@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49F8FA45-2116-413D-AD76-6444900C763F@nftconsult.com>

Chair

Can I refer you to your last update from your meeting with ICANN board and the portion of building trust.

The wording of the email bellow goes counter to the efforts of building trust.

I urge the board uses the channels of COE, and Governance council to find a way to respond to those in the community seeking this information.

Please seek council and do not stand as an island.

Regards

Badru Ntege
CEO
NFT Consult Ltd
Www.Nftconsult.com<http://Www.Nftconsult.com>

?Vision without execution is hallucination.?
? Thomas A. Edison






On 26 Jun 2017, at 11:36 pm, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Community members,

The Board has confirmed from the auditors that the Management letter is not part of the Audit Report.

The cover note of the Management letter indeed has a part that reads ....

"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
other than these specified parties."

Because of this, we can't and should not share the management letter.

I hope this clears the matter.

Best Regards ...

Sunday Folayan.

Chair, AFRINIC Board

On 23/06/2017 15:32, Badru Ntege wrote:

Sent from my iPhone



On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.


Why would the management letter be . Confidential????

_______________________________________________
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Tue Jun 27 06:00:57 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <CAH5aO8etcwznuRDwdSYO2ALzPZT3nWDeWwXJczjcjncn_ajCKg@mail.g
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References: <AM4PR03MB179439ACEAC93D6B84E988C0EECA0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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 <6.2.5.6.2.20170626010549.0bed7e30@elandnews.com>
 <CAH5aO8fvBujLaDEeO2XupUJ4C-ndr8s40JvYPBtQcGMb9tw7xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170626222459.0a772688@elandnews.com>

Hello,
At 07:45 PM 6/26/2017, Chevalier du Borg wrote:
>So IF board member attending a non-AfriNIC meeting is not a 
>perk/benefit of being a board member, THEN surely the board member 
>should give us a short report on why the company is spend money on 
>them to travel no?

I'll consider providing some information if I attend a meeting.  I am 
open to representatives of member organizations asking me why Afrinic 
Ltd is covering my travel expenses.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From ali at hussein.me.ke  Tue Jun 27 07:46:43 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:46:43 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board meets the ICANN Board
In-Reply-To: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>
References: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5AA6111-3883-4C1A-8AE4-F86C1A5AEA0A@hussein.me.ke>

Sunday

Great that such a meeting was held.

If only I could have been a 'fly on the wall' during the meeting.. :-)

Regards 

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 26 Jun 2017, at 10:50 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> I bring you greetings from the Sandton Convention Center in Johannesbourg.
> 
> This afternoon, I was privileged to lead the AfriNIC board members to meet with the ICANN Board, led by Steve Crocker at the ongoing ICANN meeting. The meeting centered on the efforts of the AfriNIC Board at learning best practices, with a view to improving our processes and accountability to the community.
> 
> The Agenda of the meeting specifically was:
> 1. Limits of Board Transparency and Board Confidentiality
> 2. Management of open Board Meetings.
> 
> The interaction was open, engaging and interesting. I note in no particular order, the takeaways from the meeting as:
> 1. ICANN membership is different from AFRINIC membership
> 2. The multi-stakeholder model works
> 3. Trust must be built. It does not just come
> 4. It is important to engage in a structured way
> 5. Accountability is key
> 6. Resources are needed to stay ahead of the curve
> 7. AFRINIC has made good progress since inception and there is room for improvement
> 
> This engagement is following on the heels of us also meeting the APNIC Board at the recently concluded AIS'17 meeting in Nairobi.
> 
> The Board is committed to ensuring that the organization is responsive and accountable, and we do request the cooperation of the community as we seek ways to improve the Board/membership/Community interactions. We seek your continued support in this regard.
> 
> Our appreciation to Pierre Dandjinou, Khaled Koubaa and Mike Silber for their respective roles in the engaging meeting.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sunday Folayan
> Chair, AFRINIC Board
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From pan.afrikhan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 11:26:00 2017
From: pan.afrikhan at gmail.com (Tutu Ngcaba)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:26:00 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR03MB17940BF180BA06B34F4AADC3EEDF0@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E05D227-48E3-48C4-B855-33B32A192EF9@afrinic.net>
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Message-ID: <CADu9AeiZ0WkVhpvbGNdJZknOocMaTLFXT+to=CjEZ9UYPa_PcA@mail.gmail.com>

Brother Andrew

Maybe they shall he hiding somethig which makes afraid to publish maybe for
good or bad. No one shall know this if they Chair said no publication even
if some members already they wish for the traparent publications as per the
ANY clauses you pointed from this bylaways.

Best Regards,
Tutu Ngcaba


On 27 Jun 2017 2:32 a.m., "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sunday,
>
>
>
> Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:
>
>
>
> "This *report* is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
> committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
> other than these specified parties."
>
> Now, let me quote from the bylaws:
>
>
>
> 7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General
> Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the
> rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
>
> (ii) receive *any auditor's report*;
>
>
>
> So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ?
> and is from the auditors.
>
> Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says **ANY** auditors report ?
> NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report - **ANY AUDITORS
> REPORT**
>
>
>
> As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the
> bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  Are
> you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 26 June 2017 23:35
> *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
>
>
>
> Dear Community members,
>
> The Board has confirmed from the auditors that the Management letter is
> not part of the Audit Report.
>
> The cover note of the Management letter indeed has a part that reads ....
>
>
>
> *"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
> committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone other
> than these specified parties."*
>
> Because of this, we can't and should not share the management letter.
>
> I hope this clears the matter.
>
> Best Regards ...
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board
>
>
>
> On 23/06/2017 15:32, Badru Ntege wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.
>
> Why would the management letter be . Confidential????
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From pan.afrikhan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 11:22:24 2017
From: pan.afrikhan at gmail.com (Tutu Ngcaba)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:22:24 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Anti-Shutdown - there shall be
	negative impact of the Internet
Message-ID: <CADu9Aeh3WFM2H8eW5DP3nrodDvabDkUpjfkuJ=3K_mSt=uvpUA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brother Bill Woodcock,

I did not feel weell until today so i get to read many many emails which i
shall start to responding. I also listen to all the videos from the
community in the AIS meeting i missed so many times in Nairobi and i will
tell you.

the UN people  when you attended the meetings as they mustn't forget to
 talk about the using of the internet freedom by some politics people of
the society to send the wrong message of propagating fake and wrong news
from the facebook, the twitters, the youtube for example. even the trump
will tell of the fake news.

you read and see even is the past people died after the years of the
upraising from belows websites from the social medias


*https://www.wired.com/2016/01/social-media-made-the-arab-spring-but-couldnt-save-it/
<https://www.wired.com/2016/01/social-media-made-the-arab-spring-but-couldnt-save-it/>*

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/09/so-wa
s-facebook-responsible-for-the-arab-spring-after-all/244314/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_the_Arab_Spring
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_the_Arab_Spring> *

did you know how many people died from this time until today??????.

the UN people are not gonna support when the brothers in africa and arab
country being bombed and died even today for the libya and syria where not
government stability but this different army generals ruling everywhere and
our brothers all run away from their own countries and today we talk only
advantage and not the disadvantages of the internet.

the fakest news is also in the internet and it will cause the political and
the social problems even today terrorism which many people will die.some
politicians will ask their poor people to cause the crazy stuffs of bombs
or beating of brutality so they can say government did and start the
chaoticness after very very angry society.

you read in this message belows


*https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/16/facebook-fake-news-tools-not-working
<https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/16/facebook-fake-news-tools-not-working>*

*http://fortune.com/2017/06/15/facebook-hard-questions-terrorism-fake-news/
<http://fortune.com/2017/06/15/facebook-hard-questions-terrorism-fake-news/>*

Even the people who will abuse young children will use the internet my
brother...

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/censorship/fbi-desc
ribe-dark-net-paedophile-kingpin-as-one-of-the-most-prolific
-child-sex-offenders-ever/news-story/eb468fcdb238a09883a1a6fe3b69d0a2


am looking at your answer today while you think of this problems of the
society in the world after this fake news and the wrong message and
this t*housands
of the refugee people from Africa and Arabia country *of Syria going to
this  country of Europia and the America where the trump president dont
even care of the refugees after this problems from politics.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/23/the-arab-springs-looming-refugee-crisis/


you tell me you tell me brother because for us in the Africa we will care
about our people as we always have peace for the longest time before even
the internet come with the good side of it which some brothers will praise
and praise and praise and not also think maybe also there is problems with
also the internet free...

*This the UN discussing mustn't forget the problem the freedoms of the
internet will cause also since because it is good in some social political
aspects but we mustn't it will also not be good some times and the people
can not see this immediately until so many years of suffering like today we
still have seen more problems in this world after something started
normally and the people happy yet today so many sad families and also the
internet contribute to this.*

See good and bad in the below website also

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/01/arab-spr
ing-five-years-on/


Bye

Tutu Ngcaba



On 9 June 2017 at 20:04, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:

>
> Apropos this topic, a discussion of the issue (not the AfriNIC proposal,
> but the shutdown issue itself) is scheduled for an upcoming UN meeting:
>
>     https://www.accessnow.org/united-nations-event-explore-ways-
> stop-internet-shutdowns/
>
> So, putting aside the question of whether AfriNIC policy is the place to
> finally enact a change, I think it?s been incredibly valuable to have the
> conversation, and that having the conversation has drawn favorable
> attention to the fact that Africa has an active Internet governance
> policymaking body.
>
>                                 -Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RPD mailing list
> RPD at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
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From pan.afrikhan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 11:39:30 2017
From: pan.afrikhan at gmail.com (Tutu Ngcaba)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:39:30 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170626222459.0a772688@elandnews.com>
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Message-ID: <CADu9AeiQ_nnf1bdC5857D=dFpBcwDpSOREEF37wj7oa7mWmOVg@mail.gmail.com>

My brother SM.Afrinic

Why you will go to hotel to sleep in hotel which the Afrinic paid fees from
this members money they collect.

You must give reports so the money afrinic paid shall not be wasted.

This idea of brother Andrew is correct. The board members mustn't just be
in the Nairobi meetings then they are in the Icann meetings in Egoli and
the afrinic is paying and they did not do anythig very important to the
Afrinic.

Best Regards,
Tutu Ngcaba


On 27 Jun 2017 9:06 a.m., <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> At 07:45 PM 6/26/2017, Chevalier du Borg wrote:
>
>> So IF board member attending a non-AfriNIC meeting is not a perk/benefit
>> of being a board member, THEN surely the board member should give us a
>> short report on why the company is spend money on them to travel no?
>>
>
> I'll consider providing some information if I attend a meeting.  I am open
> to representatives of member organizations asking me why Afrinic Ltd is
> covering my travel expenses.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Tue Jun 27 12:45:52 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (S Moonesamy)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 05:45:52 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <CADu9AeiQ_nnf1bdC5857D=dFpBcwDpSOREEF37wj7oa7mWmOVg@mail.g
 mail.com>
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170627054308.0b6195c0@elandnews.com>

Hi Tutu,

I would appreciate if we could meet each other.  If you are okay with 
that, please let me know when you will be available.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy




From pan.afrikhan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 13:13:51 2017
From: pan.afrikhan at gmail.com (Tutu Ngcaba)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:13:51 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170627054308.0b6195c0@elandnews.com>
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Message-ID: <CADu9AehScV_Y7Y8BcFOPbkpdV2ed7X617DXwjWQVSzTLm5pMPw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brother S Moonesamy

Where are you based as i am today in township in Empangeni with the team we
finish community work.

Best Regards,
Tutu Ngcaba



On 27 Jun 2017 3:46 p.m., "S Moonesamy" <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hi Tutu,
>
> I would appreciate if we could meet each other.  If you are okay with
> that, please let me know when you will be available.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
>
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Tue Jun 27 13:49:00 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:49:00 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
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Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170627064619.0b1ef410@elandnews.com>

Hello,
At 06:13 AM 6/27/2017, Tutu Ngcaba wrote:
>Where are you based as i am today in township in Empangeni with the 
>team we finish community work.

It is unfortunately too far from where I am currently located.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 




From pan.afrikhan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 14:42:23 2017
From: pan.afrikhan at gmail.com (Tutu Ngcaba)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:42:23 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <CADu9Aeg7FCBjeOC9LQAEgawQ7-m+FhbWeq1V-7-UOkCO9-YkVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Brother SM.Afrinic,

Are you the same as Moonesamy?

Where are you located now.?

I am heading back to Durban CBD, so you can tell me where i shall meet but
i shall go back to the township tomorrow for community work as we empower
our youths about the technology.

Best Regards,
Tutu Ngcaba



On 27 Jun 2017 4:50 p.m., <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com> wrote:

Hello,

At 06:13 AM 6/27/2017, Tutu Ngcaba wrote:

> Where are you based as i am today in township in Empangeni with the team
> we finish community work.
>

It is unfortunately too far from where I am currently located.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 17:40:34 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:40:34 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20170626222459.0a772688@elandnews.com>
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2017-06-27 10:00 GMT+04:00 <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>:

> I'll consider providing some information if I attend a meeting.  I am open
> to representatives of member organizations asking me why Afrinic Ltd is
> covering my travel expenses.



You just prove you donnot even understand the matter at hand about Trust
and Transparency. These might be surprise to you: These is not about you.


-- 
Borg le Chevalier
___________________________________
"Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Wed Jun 28 08:14:31 2017
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:14:31 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board meets the ICANN Board
In-Reply-To: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>
References: <6532de85-4495-0a57-3e9d-26d84d0a6042@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWbXBsJbdc0cKq4QFpSTbF0yg--thN5myvMcuUaP5dogDw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
>
Hello Sunday,


>
> This afternoon, I was privileged to lead the AfriNIC board members to meet
> with the ICANN Board, led by Steve Crocker at the ongoing ICANN meeting.
> The meeting centered on the efforts of the AfriNIC Board at learning best
> practices, with a view to improving our processes and accountability to the
> community.
>
> The Agenda of the meeting specifically was:
> 1. Limits of Board Transparency and Board Confidentiality
> 2. Management of open Board Meetings.
>

The open board meetings are one way of demonstrating transparency but this
is normally not a one day AGMM meeting. How we improve this going forward
is of great significant if we are to succeed in being accountable and
transparent.

We need to see more mechanisms in place for instance

             - Board and organisation KPI's (as so many activities happen
but they are not measured to their effectiveness)
             - Seeking recommendations from community on certain issues
where necessary
             - Sound strategic plans for the organisation since today, the
4 page document still doesn't cut it.
             - Quarterly reports on the progress of the organisation before
even the annual reports



>
> 2. The multi-stakeholder model works
>

That is what must prevail as its a model that saw ICANN itself become
global multistakeholder governance organisation today.


> 3. Trust must be built. It does not just come
>

More transparency especially for a Not-for-profit public entity is what can
usher in more trust from bottom to the top.


> 5. Accountability is key
>

And leadership is all about accountability. This is what this community
seeks.


>
> The Board is committed to ensuring that the organization is responsive and
> accountable, and we do request the cooperation of the community as we seek
> ways to improve the Board/membership/Community interactions. We seek your
> continued support in this regard.
>

It's also important for the board and the entire leadership to come to the
realisation that its the membership and the community that puts you there
to lead and manage the organisation and at any time, you can be called out
to be accountable and transparent no matter how bad or good things might
seem. If we have problems, we should be transparent about them so that we
seek solutions together to fix them. If we succeed, we should be
transparent about our success as well.

Most importantly,  we seek that this words are followed up with real action
too.


>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan
> Chair, AFRINIC Board
>
>
Cheers,
Noah
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 09:49:11 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:49:11 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Dear Mr Alston,

On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Hi Sunday,
>
> Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:
>
> "This */_report_/*is intended solely for the information and use of 
> the audit
> committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
> other than these specified parties."
>
> Now, let me quote from the bylaws:
>
> 7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual 
> General Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in 
> addition to the rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the 
> right to:
>
> (ii) receive */_any auditor's report_/*;
>
> So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report 
> ? and is from the auditors.
>
> Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says **ANY** auditors 
> report ? NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report - **ANY 
> AUDITORS REPORT**
>
> As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the 
> bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  
> Are you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?
>
> Andrew
>

I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an auditor?s report.  It does not mean ?any report that originates from an auditor?.

AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.

AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.

Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which has been published.

Thanks.

Sunday Folayan.
Board Chair.

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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 09:56:32 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:56:32 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board meets the ICANN Board
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Dear Noah,

On 28/06/2017 09:14, Noah wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Community,
>
>
> Hello Sunday,
>
>
>     This afternoon, I was privileged to lead the AfriNIC board members
>     to meet with the ICANN Board, led by Steve Crocker at the ongoing
>     ICANN meeting. The meeting centered on the efforts of the AfriNIC
>     Board at learning best practices, with a view to improving our
>     processes and accountability to the community.
>
>     The Agenda of the meeting specifically was:
>     1. Limits of Board Transparency and Board Confidentiality
>     2. Management of open Board Meetings.
>
>
> The open board meetings are one way of demonstrating transparency but 
> this is normally not a one day AGMM meeting. How we improve this going 
> forward is of great significant if we are to succeed in being 
> accountable and transparent.
>
> We need to see more mechanisms in place for instance
>
>              - Board and organisation KPI's (as so many activities 
> happen but they are not measured to their effectiveness)
>              - Seeking recommendations from community on certain 
> issues where necessary
>              - Sound strategic plans for the organisation since today, 
> the 4 page document still doesn't cut it.
>              - Quarterly reports on the progress of the organisation 
> before even the annual reports
>
>
>     2. The multi-stakeholder model works
>
>
> That is what must prevail as its a model that saw ICANN itself become 
> global multistakeholder governance organisation today.
>
>     3. Trust must be built. It does not just come
>
>
> More transparency especially for a Not-for-profit public entity is 
> what can usher in more trust from bottom to the top.
>
>     5. Accountability is key
>
>
> And leadership is all about accountability. This is what this 
> community seeks.
>
>
>     The Board is committed to ensuring that the organization is
>     responsive and accountable, and we do request the cooperation of
>     the community as we seek ways to improve the
>     Board/membership/Community interactions. We seek your continued
>     support in this regard.
>
>
> It's also important for the board and the entire leadership to come to 
> the realisation that its the membership and the community that puts 
> you there to lead and manage the organisation and at any time, you can 
> be called out to be accountable and transparent no matter how bad or 
> good things might seem. If we have problems, we should be transparent 
> about them so that we seek solutions together to fix them. If we 
> succeed, we should be transparent about our success as well.
>
> Most importantly,  we seek that this words are followed up with real 
> action too.
>
>
>     Best Regards,
>
>     Sunday Folayan
>     Chair, AFRINIC Board
>
>
> Cheers,
> Noah

Thank you very much for all your comments. They will be put into 
consideration moving forward.

Best Regards ....

Sunday.
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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Wed Jun 28 10:19:18 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:19:18 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Sunday ? I happen to disagree with you ? strongly ? and I am curious to hear the opinions of the members.

Please keep in mind ? I HAVE that letter ? I know exactly what it is in ? I however, signed an NDA ? and I will not disclose the contents of what is in there under any circumstances without it being published.  That being said ? I *DO* believe that there is information in there that is material to the members of this organisation ? that I do not believe have been disclosed and that should be.

I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one management letter ? this is about locking in transparency for the future ? today ? we have a fairly innocuous document from my understanding ? tomorrow ? who knows ? and I want a situation that guarantees that in the future ? we have precedent that will result in total transparency and nothing hidden.

In the coming days ? I will be asking a series of questions ? and I will explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are ? and what the limits of those questions will be.

Firstly ? under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am a signatory of ? I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will convince me to step outside of that.
Secondly ? I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen ? and I believe strongly that we need more transparency ? and while we have done good work in the last few years that work must continue.  Once I feel, as a member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, that we are in a place where


  1.  The board is bound to follow the bylaws ? to the very letter of every clause
  2.  That the board is bound to follow the law ? every aspect of it ? law which I will not attempt to interpret ? there are lawyers on this list for that ? and there is in house council ? I will merely question based  on my understanding ? and then here the responses and learn from them
  3.  The board is acting in the best interests of the community with total transparency at all times ? I will let the community through their voice indicate when they feel there is enough transparency ? but right now ? I am not getting that impression.
  4.  That the corporate governance of the organisation is of international standard and in full compliance with what is running in the NCCG as published in the area in which AfriNIC is domiciled.  While this is partially the function of the governance committee ? any question I ask on this list of course may be taken up and looked at by them should they choose to do so ? but the creation of such a committee did in no way detract from the rights of members to question what is in effect their organisation.

Then ? and only then ? will I cease to ask the questions.  As I have said to you openly ? and I will say it publicly ? the questions that will come over the next few weeks and months have carefully thought about ? carefully considered - and they are not meant to do damage ? they are meant to provide options ? and to create a way for us, as an organisation, as members, to question if the organisation is running the way we, as the collective membership base, believe it should be.  In many cases ? there will be no right or wrong answer ? but the questions will require thought and deliberation to come to a point which brings this organisation forward rather than backwards.  We have no idea what the boards of tomorrow will look like ? we have no idea what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member, will not leave that to chance.  So ? it is time to build the systems of accountability to the community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow brings, the organisation is on the right path.

My view here is simple ? I, as one of only many members, cannot dictate the way the organisation is run.  However, I can question, and ask, openly and transparently, and ensure that through those questions, the community gets to discuss ALL of the issues that are pertinent that they may or may not be aware of ? and that ? I will do for the long term stability of this organisation.

In regards the current issue ? as I have said ? if the board is choosing not to publish ? I will honour that ? because I signed something I will adhere to ? but I will also publicly state that I do not agree with the assertion that there is nothing in there that is material to this community.

I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements ? it makes a reference to ?net assets attributable to members?, now, my laymans understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, pay AfriNIC to deliver us a service and because of the way the organisation and RIR?s in general are structured, we also get a say in how that service is done, and in effect, the financial aspects of the company are of concern to the members, since AfriNIC in effect is acting on our behalf in a trust capacity.  To enhance that trust ? we need to know that the organisation will honour the rules around non-profit organisations and transparency ? and that is something ? I plan to fully test.

Thanks

Andrew


From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
Sent: 28 June 2017 12:49
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources


Dear Mr Alston,
On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
Hi Sunday,

Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:


"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
other than these specified parties."
Now, let me quote from the bylaws:

7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
(ii) receive any auditor's report;

So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ? and is from the auditors.
Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report ? NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*

As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  Are you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?

Andrew



I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an auditor?s report.  It does not mean ?any report that originates from an auditor?.



AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.



AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.



Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which has been published.



Thanks.



Sunday Folayan.

Board Chair.


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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 14:14:34 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:14:34 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Board-Community Engagement
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References: <a9b2108c-b130-725c-489f-7b3e7c0ef8da@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cda01139-b818-6885-3db4-a05b5c4010c3@gmail.com>

Dear Community,

As part of our efforts to enhance the Board-community engagement 
process, the Board is introducing an open microphone session at all 
subsequent AfriNIC meetings, whether there is an AGMM or SGMM or not.

The Open Mic sessions will be at least One hour (with provisions for 
more time). It will afford the community, an opportunity to discuss wide 
ranging issues and also interact with the Board and the Staff.

As part of the engagement process, we will appreciate if the Community 
can take note of the following:

  - Issues of Strategic nature should be sent to board at afrinic.net.

  - Issues of Operational nature should be sent to ceo at afrinic.net

When in doubt, please be kind enough to send the request to 
ceo at afrinic.net and it will be routed appropriately.

In order to avoid any doubts on the existing communication channels, it 
should be noted that  the community (community-discuss at afrinic.net) and 
Members (members-discuss at afrinic.net) discussion lists will continue to 
exist. Indeed, such requests can be copied to such lists.

These are in addition to the service related contacts set out in the 
AFRINIC Service Level Commitment at 
https://afrinic.net/en/services/afrinic-slc

Best Regards,

Sunday Folayan
Chair, AfriNIC Board



From rashedibr at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 28 14:51:24 2017
From: rashedibr at hotmail.com (Abdirashid Ibrahim Abdirahman)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:51:24 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] 3 Million Plus Locked Of Internet Access In Day
	4 Of Outage
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Dear All,


At least 3 million Internet users in Mogadishu and other parts of Somalia have remained offline for three days. Internet interruption was experienced from Saturday shutting most of the users during the Eid festivities. The outage has affected money transactions firms and other businesses that rely on the internet. A number of government offices have also been rendered offline. The outage follows the destruction of fiber optic wires under the Indian Ocean that connects Somalia and rest of the world. It is not yet clear when normal services will resume as businesses continue to lose thousands of dollars and communication with families and friends become almost impossible. Ministry of Telecommunication says the outage caused by damage to the fiber optic cables by a large ship may take more than a week to repair.


____________________________________________________________________________________
Mr. Abdirashid Ibrahim Abdirahman
Somaliland
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From badru.ntege at nftconsult.com  Thu Jun 29 05:00:04 2017
From: badru.ntege at nftconsult.com (Badru Ntege)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 05:00:04 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Board-Community Engagement
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References: <a9b2108c-b130-725c-489f-7b3e7c0ef8da@gmail.com>,
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Chair 

Thank you for your communication however I worry if we are introducing more complications to fix a simple issue. 

The whole idea of the community lists I would have thought is the transparency but also consensus and bottom up. 

CEO is an employee if the primarily answerable to the board which is answerable to the community.  

I feel you are burdening the CEO with this plan.  

The open discussion list allows community to also filter some requests which then get discussed and finally answered in totality. 

In my simple view the problem is simple a method of responding to issues in time would appease the community.  

Hope other members see it this way I will also be okay if members see it your way but an open discussion would allow and protect our concept of consensus 

Regards 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Jun 2017, at 17:16, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> As part of our efforts to enhance the Board-community engagement process, the Board is introducing an open microphone session at all subsequent AfriNIC meetings, whether there is an AGMM or SGMM or not.
> 
> The Open Mic sessions will be at least One hour (with provisions for more time). It will afford the community, an opportunity to discuss wide ranging issues and also interact with the Board and the Staff.
> 
> As part of the engagement process, we will appreciate if the Community can take note of the following:
> 
> - Issues of Strategic nature should be sent to board at afrinic.net.
> 
> - Issues of Operational nature should be sent to ceo at afrinic.net
> 
> When in doubt, please be kind enough to send the request to ceo at afrinic.net and it will be routed appropriately.
> 
> In order to avoid any doubts on the existing communication channels, it should be noted that  the community (community-discuss at afrinic.net) and Members (members-discuss at afrinic.net) discussion lists will continue to exist. Indeed, such requests can be copied to such lists.
> 
> These are in addition to the service related contacts set out in the AFRINIC Service Level Commitment at https://afrinic.net/en/services/afrinic-slc
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sunday Folayan
> Chair, AfriNIC Board
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss



From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 05:11:53 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:11:53 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Board-Community Engagement
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References: <a9b2108c-b130-725c-489f-7b3e7c0ef8da@gmail.com>
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2017-06-29 9:00 GMT+04:00 Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>:

> Thank you for your communication however I worry if we are introducing
> more complications to fix a simple issue.
>

> The whole idea of the community lists I would have thought is the
> transparency but also consensus and bottom up.
>


Nothing has changed. Chairman say those list still exist and issues can
still be copied there.



>
> CEO is an employee if the primarily answerable to the board which is
> answerable to the community.
>
> I feel you are burdening the CEO with this plan.
>


I am sure CEO can speak for himself. I also sure the chairman board (who I
believe speak on behalf of board on this list) discuss this with CEO before
sending last email. You talk of trust, let us start show some trust and
faith in some simple thing.



>
> The open discussion list allows community to also filter some requests
> which then get discussed and finally answered in totality.
>


Nothing in what chairman has propose will change that. See last but one
paragraph



>
> In my simple view the problem is simple a method of responding to issues
> in time would appease the community.
>


I not so keen on method. But I do 1000% support timeliness. At very least,
CEO or board chair must acknowledged an issue if there is no immediate
answer then say when he will come back toward us with answer to issue
raised.



>
> Hope other members see it this way I will also be okay if members see it
> your way but an open discussion would allow and protect our concept of
> consensus
>


Again. NOTHING in chair's email is attempt to shut down open discussion. He
clearly state that


i)  member-discuss and community-discuss continue to exist
ii) people can still copy message to those list (even better for
transparency)




-- 
Borg le Chevalier
___________________________________
"Common sense is what tells us the world is flat"
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From virtual.borg at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 05:18:50 2017
From: virtual.borg at gmail.com (Chevalier du Borg)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:18:50 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Board meets the ICANN Board
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2017-06-28 12:14 GMT+04:00 Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>:

> We need to see more mechanisms in place for instance
>
>              - Board and organisation KPI's (as so many activities happen
> but they are not measured to their effectiveness)
>              - Seeking recommendations from community on certain issues
> where necessary
>              - Sound strategic plans for the organisation since today, the
> 4 page document still doesn't cut it.
>              - Quarterly reports on the progress of the organisation
> before even the annual reports
>


+6913.654

YES!!!!  Thank you Noah (and the gods) is finally talking about thing that
are important to a strong AfriNIC

i) Strategic Plan with metric and KPI
ii) Execution Plan
iii) Each meeting must have Strategic Plan Update focus on KPIs (not bla
bla bla bla)
iv) There should be page on www.afrinic.net where anyone can see status of
KPIs of strategic plan




-- 
Borg le Chevalier
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Thu Jun 29 05:32:01 2017
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:32:01 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Board-Community Engagement
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Chair and all

This is commendable.

I note Badru's concerns but I think that is the price to pay when one runs a public interest Organisation like AfriNIC. However, you raise a valid point about over burdening the CEO and probably even the Chairman himself. This can be mitigated by good, simple communication and delegation. I'm sure we have strong leadership which can navigate this. After all we don't want them to 'die by email' :-)

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle


Sent from my iPad

> On 29 Jun 2017, at 7:11 AM, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 2017-06-29 9:00 GMT+04:00 Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>:
>> Thank you for your communication however I worry if we are introducing more complications to fix a simple issue. 
>> 
>> The whole idea of the community lists I would have thought is the transparency but also consensus and bottom up.
> 
> 
> Nothing has changed. Chairman say those list still exist and issues can still be copied there.
> 
>  
>> 
>> CEO is an employee if the primarily answerable to the board which is answerable to the community.
>> 
>> I feel you are burdening the CEO with this plan.
> 
> 
> I am sure CEO can speak for himself. I also sure the chairman board (who I believe speak on behalf of board on this list) discuss this with CEO before sending last email. You talk of trust, let us start show some trust and faith in some simple thing. 
> 
>  
>> 
>> The open discussion list allows community to also filter some requests which then get discussed and finally answered in totality.
> 
> 
> Nothing in what chairman has propose will change that. See last but one paragraph
> 
>  
>> 
>> In my simple view the problem is simple a method of responding to issues in time would appease the community.
> 
> 
> I not so keen on method. But I do 1000% support timeliness. At very least, CEO or board chair must acknowledged an issue if there is no immediate answer then say when he will come back toward us with answer to issue raised.
> 
>  
>> 
>> Hope other members see it this way I will also be okay if members see it your way but an open discussion would allow and protect our concept of consensus
> 
> 
> Again. NOTHING in chair's email is attempt to shut down open discussion. He clearly state that 
> 
> 
> i)  member-discuss and community-discuss continue to exist
> ii) people can still copy message to those list (even better for transparency)
> 
> 
> 
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From sfolayan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 09:06:53 2017
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:06:53 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Mr Alston,

Your crafty discussions about the NDA fuels a perception that there is a 
problem(s) which is being hidden from the public.

I think you should start from issues you raised as a Board member, on 
the board, which the Board did not attend to, or indeed ignored. You are 
free to refer to specific things in the Board minutes, there are no NDAs 
there.

Go for that!

Sunday.

On 28/06/2017 11:19, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Sunday ? I happen to disagree with you ? strongly ? and I am curious 
> to hear the opinions of the members.
>
> Please keep in mind ? I HAVE that letter ? I know exactly what it is 
> in ? I however, signed an NDA ? and I will not disclose the contents 
> of what is in there under any circumstances without it being 
> published.  That being said ? I **DO** believe that there is 
> information in there that is material to the members of this 
> organisation ? that I do not believe have been disclosed and that 
> should be.
>
> I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one 
> management letter ? this is about locking in transparency for the 
> future ? today ? we have a fairly innocuous document from my 
> understanding ? tomorrow ? who knows ? and I want a situation that 
> guarantees that in the future ? we have precedent that will result in 
> total transparency and nothing hidden.
>
> In the coming days ? I will be asking a series of questions ? and I 
> will explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are 
> ? and what the limits of those questions will be.
>
> Firstly ? under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am 
> a signatory of ? I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will 
> convince me to step outside of that.
>
> Secondly ? I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen ? and 
> I believe strongly that we need more transparency ? and while we have 
> done good work in the last few years that work must continue.  Once I 
> feel, as a member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, 
> that we are in a place where
>
>  1. The board is bound to follow the bylaws ? to the very letter of
>     every clause
>  2. That the board is bound to follow the law ? every aspect of it ?
>     law which I will not attempt to interpret ? there are lawyers on
>     this list for that ? and there is in house council ? I will merely
>     question based  on my understanding ? and then here the responses
>     and learn from them
>  3. The board is acting in the best interests of the community with
>     total transparency at all times ? I will let the community through
>     their voice indicate when they feel there is enough transparency ?
>     but right now ? I am not getting that impression.
>  4. That the corporate governance of the organisation is of
>     international standard and in full compliance with what is running
>     in the NCCG as published in the area in which AfriNIC is
>     domiciled.  While this is partially the function of the governance
>     committee ? any question I ask on this list of course may be taken
>     up and looked at by them should they choose to do so ? but the
>     creation of such a committee did in no way detract from the rights
>     of members to question what is in effect their organisation.
>
> Then ? and only then ? will I cease to ask the questions.  As I have 
> said to you openly ? and I will say it publicly ? the questions that 
> will come over the next few weeks and months have carefully thought 
> about ? carefully considered - and they are not meant to do damage ? 
> they are meant to provide options ? and to create a way for us, as an 
> organisation, as members, to question if the organisation is running 
> the way we, as the collective membership base, believe it should be.  
> In many cases ? there will be no right or wrong answer ? but the 
> questions will require thought and deliberation to come to a point 
> which brings this organisation forward rather than backwards.  We have 
> no idea what the boards of tomorrow will look like ? we have no idea 
> what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member, will not leave that to 
> chance. So ? it is time to build the systems of accountability to the 
> community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow brings, the 
> organisation is on the right path.
>
> My view here is simple ? I, as one of only many members, cannot 
> dictate the way the organisation is run.  However, I can question, and 
> ask, openly and transparently, and ensure that through those 
> questions, the community gets to discuss ALL of the issues that are 
> pertinent that they may or may not be aware of ? and that ? I will do 
> for the long term stability of this organisation.
>
> In regards the current issue ? as I have said ? if the board is 
> choosing not to publish ? I will honour that ? because I signed 
> something I will adhere to ? but I will also publicly state that I do 
> not agree with the assertion that there is nothing in there that is 
> material to this community.
>
> I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements ? it 
> makes a reference to ?net assets */_attributable to members_/*?, now, 
> my laymans understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, 
> pay AfriNIC to deliver us a service and because of the way the 
> organisation and RIR?s in general are structured, we also get a say in 
> how that service is done, and in effect, the financial aspects of the 
> company are of concern to the members, since AfriNIC in effect is 
> acting on our behalf in a trust capacity.  To enhance that trust ? we 
> need to know that the organisation will honour the rules around 
> non-profit organisations and transparency ? and that is something ? I 
> plan to fully test.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
> *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 28 June 2017 12:49
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
>
> Dear Mr Alston,
>
> On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
>     Hi Sunday,
>
>     Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:
>
>     "This */_report_/*is intended solely for the information and use
>     of the audit
>     committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
>     other than these specified parties."
>
>     Now, let me quote from the bylaws:
>
>     7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual
>     General Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in
>     addition to the rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the
>     right to:
>
>     (ii) receive */_any auditor's report_/*;
>
>     So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a
>     report ? and is from the auditors.
>
>     Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says **ANY** auditors
>     report ? NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report -
>     **ANY AUDITORS REPORT**
>
>     As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of
>     the bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that
>     clause.  Are you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board
>     wants to take?
>
>     Andrew
>
>
>
> I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an auditor?s report.  It does not mean ?any report that originates from an auditor?.
> AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.
> AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.
> Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which has been published.
> Thanks.
> Sunday Folayan.
> Board Chair.

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Managing Director
General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
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From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:24:23 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Sunday,

In order to do that ? may we audit co report that was presented to the board?  That is covered by the NDA ? and there are aspects of that that relate to this directly.

Can you also ? for clarity before we get into this ? publish the charter for the audit co ? because again ? to get into this fully ? there needs to be points made about EXACTLY what is in that audit-co charter and the rules behind which anyone on the audit-co must operate.

Andrew

From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 29 June 2017 at 12:06
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Mr Alston,

Your crafty discussions about the NDA fuels a perception that there is a problem(s) which is being hidden from the public.
I think you should start from issues you raised as a Board member, on the board, which the Board did not attend to, or indeed ignored. You are free to refer to specific things in the Board minutes, there are no NDAs there.

Go for that!

Sunday.
On 28/06/2017 11:19, Andrew Alston wrote:
Sunday ? I happen to disagree with you ? strongly ? and I am curious to hear the opinions of the members.

Please keep in mind ? I HAVE that letter ? I know exactly what it is in ? I however, signed an NDA ? and I will not disclose the contents of what is in there under any circumstances without it being published.  That being said ? I *DO* believe that there is information in there that is material to the members of this organisation ? that I do not believe have been disclosed and that should be.

I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one management letter ? this is about locking in transparency for the future ? today ? we have a fairly innocuous document from my understanding ? tomorrow ? who knows ? and I want a situation that guarantees that in the future ? we have precedent that will result in total transparency and nothing hidden.

In the coming days ? I will be asking a series of questions ? and I will explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are ? and what the limits of those questions will be.

Firstly ? under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am a signatory of ? I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will convince me to step outside of that.
Secondly ? I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen ? and I believe strongly that we need more transparency ? and while we have done good work in the last few years that work must continue.  Once I feel, as a member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, that we are in a place where

a.)    The board is bound to follow the bylaws ? to the very letter of every clause
b.)    That the board is bound to follow the law ? every aspect of it ? law which I will not attempt to interpret ? there are lawyers on this list for that ? and there is in house council ? I will merely question based  on my understanding ? and then here the responses and learn from them
c.)    The board is acting in the best interests of the community with total transparency at all times ? I will let the community through their voice indicate when they feel there is enough transparency ? but right now ? I am not getting that impression.
d.)    That the corporate governance of the organisation is of international standard and in full compliance with what is running in the NCCG as published in the area in which AfriNIC is domiciled.  While this is partially the function of the governance committee ? any question I ask on this list of course may be taken up and looked at by them should they choose to do so ? but the creation of such a committee did in no way detract from the rights of members to question what is in effect their organisation.

Then ? and only then ? will I cease to ask the questions.  As I have said to you openly ? and I will say it publicly ? the questions that will come over the next few weeks and months have carefully thought about ? carefully considered - and they are not meant to do damage ? they are meant to provide options ? and to create a way for us, as an organisation, as members, to question if the organisation is running the way we, as the collective membership base, believe it should be.  In many cases ? there will be no right or wrong answer ? but the questions will require thought and deliberation to come to a point which brings this organisation forward rather than backwards.  We have no idea what the boards of tomorrow will look like ? we have no idea what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member, will not leave that to chance.  So ? it is time to build the systems of accountability to the community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow brings, the organisation is on the right path.

My view here is simple ? I, as one of only many members, cannot dictate the way the organisation is run.  However, I can question, and ask, openly and transparently, and ensure that through those questions, the community gets to discuss ALL of the issues that are pertinent that they may or may not be aware of ? and that ? I will do for the long term stability of this organisation.

In regards the current issue ? as I have said ? if the board is choosing not to publish ? I will honour that ? because I signed something I will adhere to ? but I will also publicly state that I do not agree with the assertion that there is nothing in there that is material to this community.

I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements ? it makes a reference to ?net assets attributable to members?, now, my laymans understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, pay AfriNIC to deliver us a service and because of the way the organisation and RIR?s in general are structured, we also get a say in how that service is done, and in effect, the financial aspects of the company are of concern to the members, since AfriNIC in effect is acting on our behalf in a trust capacity.  To enhance that trust ? we need to know that the organisation will honour the rules around non-profit organisations and transparency ? and that is something ? I plan to fully test.

Thanks

Andrew


From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
Sent: 28 June 2017 12:49
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com><mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources


Dear Mr Alston,
On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
Hi Sunday,

Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:


"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
other than these specified parties."
Now, let me quote from the bylaws:

7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
(ii) receive any auditor's report;

So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ? and is from the auditors.
Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report ? NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*

As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  Are you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?

Andrew




I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an auditor?s report.  It does not mean ?any report that originates from an auditor?.



AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.



AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.



Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which has been published.



Thanks.



Sunday Folayan.

Board Chair.





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Sunday Adekunle Folayan

Managing Director

General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)

16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria

Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523

Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com.ng>, sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>

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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Thu Jun 29 09:44:49 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:44:49 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Sunday,

Let me now respond further,

I apologise, I found the audit-co charter online.

I refer to point 3.8 of the charter:

3.8. All decisions of the committee shall be by consensus or unanimous vote of all its members.

What this means is ? before the audit-co can put anything in a report back to the wider board ? the ENTIRE committee has to agree that it goes into the audit-co report ? that is crystal clear.  That limits ? heavily ? what can be said that will make it into the minutes of a board meeting.  Because ? when issues get  controversial ? it is entirely plausible (and I cannot confirm or deny due to the NDA if this happened) ? that issues never make it into the actual reports.

Furthermore ? if you refer to the board minutes ? you will note that a report was tabled ? the contents of that report however ? are in the report itself ? they will not appear in the minutes of the actual meeting ? and to have this discussion further ? I now am asking you to publish that entire report without redaction ? since that will show exactly what I have raised and haven?t raised ? and anything NOT in that report ? please refer to section 3.8 of the charter referred to above.

Andrew


From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com]
Sent: 29 June 2017 12:24
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Sunday,

In order to do that ? may we audit co report that was presented to the board?  That is covered by the NDA ? and there are aspects of that that relate to this directly.

Can you also ? for clarity before we get into this ? publish the charter for the audit co ? because again ? to get into this fully ? there needs to be points made about EXACTLY what is in that audit-co charter and the rules behind which anyone on the audit-co must operate.

Andrew

From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 29 June 2017 at 12:06
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Mr Alston,

Your crafty discussions about the NDA fuels a perception that there is a problem(s) which is being hidden from the public.
I think you should start from issues you raised as a Board member, on the board, which the Board did not attend to, or indeed ignored. You are free to refer to specific things in the Board minutes, there are no NDAs there.

Go for that!

Sunday.
On 28/06/2017 11:19, Andrew Alston wrote:
Sunday ? I happen to disagree with you ? strongly ? and I am curious to hear the opinions of the members.

Please keep in mind ? I HAVE that letter ? I know exactly what it is in ? I however, signed an NDA ? and I will not disclose the contents of what is in there under any circumstances without it being published.  That being said ? I *DO* believe that there is information in there that is material to the members of this organisation ? that I do not believe have been disclosed and that should be.

I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one management letter ? this is about locking in transparency for the future ? today ? we have a fairly innocuous document from my understanding ? tomorrow ? who knows ? and I want a situation that guarantees that in the future ? we have precedent that will result in total transparency and nothing hidden.

In the coming days ? I will be asking a series of questions ? and I will explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are ? and what the limits of those questions will be.

Firstly ? under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am a signatory of ? I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will convince me to step outside of that.
Secondly ? I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen ? and I believe strongly that we need more transparency ? and while we have done good work in the last few years that work must continue.  Once I feel, as a member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, that we are in a place where


  1.  The board is bound to follow the bylaws ? to the very letter of every clause
  2.  That the board is bound to follow the law ? every aspect of it ? law which I will not attempt to interpret ? there are lawyers on this list for that ? and there is in house council ? I will merely question based  on my understanding ? and then here the responses and learn from them
  3.  The board is acting in the best interests of the community with total transparency at all times ? I will let the community through their voice indicate when they feel there is enough transparency ? but right now ? I am not getting that impression.
  4.  That the corporate governance of the organisation is of international standard and in full compliance with what is running in the NCCG as published in the area in which AfriNIC is domiciled.  While this is partially the function of the governance committee ? any question I ask on this list of course may be taken up and looked at by them should they choose to do so ? but the creation of such a committee did in no way detract from the rights of members to question what is in effect their organisation.

Then ? and only then ? will I cease to ask the questions.  As I have said to you openly ? and I will say it publicly ? the questions that will come over the next few weeks and months have carefully thought about ? carefully considered - and they are not meant to do damage ? they are meant to provide options ? and to create a way for us, as an organisation, as members, to question if the organisation is running the way we, as the collective membership base, believe it should be.  In many cases ? there will be no right or wrong answer ? but the questions will require thought and deliberation to come to a point which brings this organisation forward rather than backwards.  We have no idea what the boards of tomorrow will look like ? we have no idea what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member, will not leave that to chance.  So ? it is time to build the systems of accountability to the community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow brings, the organisation is on the right path.

My view here is simple ? I, as one of only many members, cannot dictate the way the organisation is run.  However, I can question, and ask, openly and transparently, and ensure that through those questions, the community gets to discuss ALL of the issues that are pertinent that they may or may not be aware of ? and that ? I will do for the long term stability of this organisation.

In regards the current issue ? as I have said ? if the board is choosing not to publish ? I will honour that ? because I signed something I will adhere to ? but I will also publicly state that I do not agree with the assertion that there is nothing in there that is material to this community.

I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements ? it makes a reference to ?net assets attributable to members?, now, my laymans understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, pay AfriNIC to deliver us a service and because of the way the organisation and RIR?s in general are structured, we also get a say in how that service is done, and in effect, the financial aspects of the company are of concern to the members, since AfriNIC in effect is acting on our behalf in a trust capacity.  To enhance that trust ? we need to know that the organisation will honour the rules around non-profit organisations and transparency ? and that is something ? I plan to fully test.

Thanks

Andrew


From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
Sent: 28 June 2017 12:49
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com><mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources


Dear Mr Alston,
On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
Hi Sunday,

Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:


"This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
other than these specified parties."
Now, let me quote from the bylaws:

7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
(ii) receive any auditor's report;

So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ? and is from the auditors.
Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report ? NOT the financial audit report ? not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*

As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  Are you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?

Andrew



I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an auditor?s report.  It does not mean ?any report that originates from an auditor?.



AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.



AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.



Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which has been published.



Thanks.



Sunday Folayan.

Board Chair.




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Sunday Adekunle Folayan

Managing Director

General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)

16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria

Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523

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From jacksonmuthi at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 09:46:05 2017
From: jacksonmuthi at gmail.com (Jackson Muthili)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:46:05 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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This is worrying.

A former board member using privileged insider information to demand
accountability and transparency from current board members.

What does AfriNIC legal adviser have to say about this sort of disclosure?

-J



On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> Sunday,
>
>
>
> In order to do that ? may we audit co report that was presented to the
> board?  That is covered by the NDA ? and there are aspects of that that
> relate to this directly.
>
>
>
> Can you also ? for clarity before we get into this ? publish the charter for
> the audit co ? because again ? to get into this fully ? there needs to be
> points made about EXACTLY what is in that audit-co charter and the rules
> behind which anyone on the audit-co must operate.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 29 June 2017 at 12:06
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
>
>
>
> Mr Alston,
>
> Your crafty discussions about the NDA fuels a perception that there is a
> problem(s) which is being hidden from the public.
>
> I think you should start from issues you raised as a Board member, on the
> board, which the Board did not attend to, or indeed ignored. You are free to
> refer to specific things in the Board minutes, there are no NDAs there.
>
> Go for that!
>
> Sunday.
>
> On 28/06/2017 11:19, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Sunday ? I happen to disagree with you ? strongly ? and I am curious to hear
> the opinions of the members.
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind ? I HAVE that letter ? I know exactly what it is in ? I
> however, signed an NDA ? and I will not disclose the contents of what is in
> there under any circumstances without it being published.  That being said ?
> I *DO* believe that there is information in there that is material to the
> members of this organisation ? that I do not believe have been disclosed and
> that should be.
>
>
>
> I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one
> management letter ? this is about locking in transparency for the future ?
> today ? we have a fairly innocuous document from my understanding ? tomorrow
> ? who knows ? and I want a situation that guarantees that in the future ? we
> have precedent that will result in total transparency and nothing hidden.
>
>
>
> In the coming days ? I will be asking a series of questions ? and I will
> explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are ? and what
> the limits of those questions will be.
>
>
>
> Firstly ? under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am a
> signatory of ? I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will convince
> me to step outside of that.
>
> Secondly ? I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen ? and I
> believe strongly that we need more transparency ? and while we have done
> good work in the last few years that work must continue.  Once I feel, as a
> member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, that we are in a
> place where
>
>
>
> a.)    The board is bound to follow the bylaws ? to the very letter of every
> clause
>
> b.)    That the board is bound to follow the law ? every aspect of it ? law
> which I will not attempt to interpret ? there are lawyers on this list for
> that ? and there is in house council ? I will merely question based  on my
> understanding ? and then here the responses and learn from them
>
> c.)    The board is acting in the best interests of the community with total
> transparency at all times ? I will let the community through their voice
> indicate when they feel there is enough transparency ? but right now ? I am
> not getting that impression.
>
> d.)    That the corporate governance of the organisation is of international
> standard and in full compliance with what is running in the NCCG as
> published in the area in which AfriNIC is domiciled.  While this is
> partially the function of the governance committee ? any question I ask on
> this list of course may be taken up and looked at by them should they choose
> to do so ? but the creation of such a committee did in no way detract from
> the rights of members to question what is in effect their organisation.
>
>
>
> Then ? and only then ? will I cease to ask the questions.  As I have said to
> you openly ? and I will say it publicly ? the questions that will come over
> the next few weeks and months have carefully thought about ? carefully
> considered - and they are not meant to do damage ? they are meant to provide
> options ? and to create a way for us, as an organisation, as members, to
> question if the organisation is running the way we, as the collective
> membership base, believe it should be.  In many cases ? there will be no
> right or wrong answer ? but the questions will require thought and
> deliberation to come to a point which brings this organisation forward
> rather than backwards.  We have no idea what the boards of tomorrow will
> look like ? we have no idea what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member,
> will not leave that to chance.  So ? it is time to build the systems of
> accountability to the community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow
> brings, the organisation is on the right path.
>
>
>
> My view here is simple ? I, as one of only many members, cannot dictate the
> way the organisation is run.  However, I can question, and ask, openly and
> transparently, and ensure that through those questions, the community gets
> to discuss ALL of the issues that are pertinent that they may or may not be
> aware of ? and that ? I will do for the long term stability of this
> organisation.
>
>
>
> In regards the current issue ? as I have said ? if the board is choosing not
> to publish ? I will honour that ? because I signed something I will adhere
> to ? but I will also publicly state that I do not agree with the assertion
> that there is nothing in there that is material to this community.
>
>
>
> I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements ? it makes a
> reference to ?net assets attributable to members?, now, my laymans
> understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, pay AfriNIC to
> deliver us a service and because of the way the organisation and RIR?s in
> general are structured, we also get a say in how that service is done, and
> in effect, the financial aspects of the company are of concern to the
> members, since AfriNIC in effect is acting on our behalf in a trust
> capacity.  To enhance that trust ? we need to know that the organisation
> will honour the rules around non-profit organisations and transparency ? and
> that is something ? I plan to fully test.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
> Sent: 28 June 2017 12:49
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
>
>
>
> Dear Mr Alston,
>
> On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Hi Sunday,
>
>
>
> Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:
>
>
>
> "This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
> committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
> other than these specified parties."
>
> Now, let me quote from the bylaws:
>
>
>
> 7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General
> Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the
> rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
>
> (ii) receive any auditor's report;
>
>
>
> So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ? and
> is from the auditors.
>
> Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report ? NOT
> the financial audit report ? not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*
>
>
>
> As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the
> bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause.  Are
> you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific
> type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an
> auditor?s report.  It does not mean ?any report that originates from an
> auditor?.
>
>
>
> AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.
>
>
>
> AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the
> management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an
> auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.
>
>
>
> Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management
> letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if
> there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which
> has been published.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Board Chair.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>
> Managing Director
>
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>
> Email: sfolayan at skannet.com.ng, sfolayan at gmail.com
>
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>
>
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From sander at steffann.nl  Thu Jun 29 10:29:03 2017
From: sander at steffann.nl (Sander Steffann)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:29:03 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Hi,

> This is worrying.
> 
> A former board member using privileged insider information to demand
> accountability and transparency from current board members.

Indeed, it is worrying that insider knowledge is necessary to know what information to ask for. That already shows a lack of transparency. Afrinic (morally) belongs to its members, and I understand the desire of those members to know how their organisation is run so they can have trust that it is run well. It would indeed be good to be able to build this trust without using insider knowledge.

> What does AfriNIC legal adviser have to say about this sort of disclosure?

Nothing has been disclosed that wasn't already disclosed through the minutes etc. Everybody could have asked for publication of reports mentioned in the minutes.

Cheers,
Sander

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From Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com  Thu Jun 29 10:49:38 2017
From: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com (Andrew Alston)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:49:38 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
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Jackson,

If you read my original email very carefully on this subject ? I will not violate the NDA ? I will not reveal anything that is not already published ? the rules around the NDA are clear ? do not reveal information that you gained ? I am not doing that ? I am asking the board to release the information themselves ? and as Sander just said ?


  1.  The existence of the audit-co report ? is documented in the minutes ? its contents aren?t ? and I have not alluded to those contents
  2.  The existence of management letters is public knowledge ? if you know anything about audit ? you will know that is standard practice to issue such
  3.  The fact that I stated that I have knowledge of the management letter is public knowledge ? I was chair of the audit-co ? and the audit charter specifically permitted that
  4.  The fact that I have concerns about what is in there ? that does not reveal any information about the contents ? it reveals my opinion about a document that it is public knowledge that I have had access to.

I also point you to the resolutions past in the last few years ? that specifically state that anything that is revealed to a third party not under NDA is considered within the public domain ? the existence of anything I have questioned in the way of documents has been revealed through the publication of the minutes.

However Jackson, the problem here is ? and I believe I stated as much in the previous email ? the minutes which are published in any board ? are never totally revealing ? because there are reports ? which are clearly mentioned in the minutes ? and should a reference in the minutes me made to a report and that discussion was held around said report, the actual contents of that report are never published.  This is open to abuse ? and while I am in no way alleging such abuse has taken place ? I merely point out a significant risk ? and here is how this could work


  1.  A committee exists
  2.  Work is assigned to said committee
  3.  The committee comes back with a report that is circulated
  4.  The board makes decisions based on what is in that report
  5.  The minutes reflect that the report was discussed ? but nothing about what was in the report
  6.  The report is never tabled before the community

That leads to a situation where transparency can easily be avoided.

Am I saying that that has happened here?  Certainly not.  I am saying ? that is the risk of reports that never make it to the light of day.  And as I have said ? the existence of the reports ? that is referenced ? that is public information ? all I am asking is that those reports be made public so that the community can judge their contents for themselves.

I also point out ? under the national code of corporate governance for Mauritius ? there are meant to be minutes of every single committee meeting ? and I would like to ask the board ? are those minutes available and if so will the board be prepared to publish them ? since I believe that if we want transparency ? let us get full transparency ? including into the workings of the committees who?s existence is public knowledge.

Andrew


From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com]
Sent: 29 June 2017 12:46
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

This is worrying.

A former board member using privileged insider information to demand
accountability and transparency from current board members.

What does AfriNIC legal adviser have to say about this sort of disclosure?

-J



On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> Sunday,
>
>
>
> In order to do that ? may we audit co report that was presented to the
> board? That is covered by the NDA ? and there are aspects of that that
> relate to this directly.
>
>
>
> Can you also ? for clarity before we get into this ? publish the charter for
> the audit co ? because again ? to get into this fully ? there needs to be
> points made about EXACTLY what is in that audit-co charter and the rules
> behind which anyone on the audit-co must operate.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>>
> Date: Thursday, 29 June 2017 at 12:06
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
>
>
>
> Mr Alston,
>
> Your crafty discussions about the NDA fuels a perception that there is a
> problem(s) which is being hidden from the public.
>
> I think you should start from issues you raised as a Board member, on the
> board, which the Board did not attend to, or indeed ignored. You are free to
> refer to specific things in the Board minutes, there are no NDAs there.
>
> Go for that!
>
> Sunday.
>
> On 28/06/2017 11:19, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Sunday ? I happen to disagree with you ? strongly ? and I am curious to hear
> the opinions of the members.
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind ? I HAVE that letter ? I know exactly what it is in ? I
> however, signed an NDA ? and I will not disclose the contents of what is in
> there under any circumstances without it being published. That being said ?
> I *DO* believe that there is information in there that is material to the
> members of this organisation ? that I do not believe have been disclosed and
> that should be.
>
>
>
> I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one
> management letter ? this is about locking in transparency for the future ?
> today ? we have a fairly innocuous document from my understanding ? tomorrow
> ? who knows ? and I want a situation that guarantees that in the future ? we
> have precedent that will result in total transparency and nothing hidden.
>
>
>
> In the coming days ? I will be asking a series of questions ? and I will
> explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are ? and what
> the limits of those questions will be.
>
>
>
> Firstly ? under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am a
> signatory of ? I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will convince
> me to step outside of that.
>
> Secondly ? I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen ? and I
> believe strongly that we need more transparency ? and while we have done
> good work in the last few years that work must continue. Once I feel, as a
> member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, that we are in a
> place where
>
>
>
> a.) The board is bound to follow the bylaws ? to the very letter of every
> clause
>
> b.) That the board is bound to follow the law ? every aspect of it ? law
> which I will not attempt to interpret ? there are lawyers on this list for
> that ? and there is in house council ? I will merely question based on my
> understanding ? and then here the responses and learn from them
>
> c.) The board is acting in the best interests of the community with total
> transparency at all times ? I will let the community through their voice
> indicate when they feel there is enough transparency ? but right now ? I am
> not getting that impression.
>
> d.) That the corporate governance of the organisation is of international
> standard and in full compliance with what is running in the NCCG as
> published in the area in which AfriNIC is domiciled. While this is
> partially the function of the governance committee ? any question I ask on
> this list of course may be taken up and looked at by them should they choose
> to do so ? but the creation of such a committee did in no way detract from
> the rights of members to question what is in effect their organisation.
>
>
>
> Then ? and only then ? will I cease to ask the questions. As I have said to
> you openly ? and I will say it publicly ? the questions that will come over
> the next few weeks and months have carefully thought about ? carefully
> considered - and they are not meant to do damage ? they are meant to provide
> options ? and to create a way for us, as an organisation, as members, to
> question if the organisation is running the way we, as the collective
> membership base, believe it should be. In many cases ? there will be no
> right or wrong answer ? but the questions will require thought and
> deliberation to come to a point which brings this organisation forward
> rather than backwards. We have no idea what the boards of tomorrow will
> look like ? we have no idea what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member,
> will not leave that to chance. So ? it is time to build the systems of
> accountability to the community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow
> brings, the organisation is on the right path.
>
>
>
> My view here is simple ? I, as one of only many members, cannot dictate the
> way the organisation is run. However, I can question, and ask, openly and
> transparently, and ensure that through those questions, the community gets
> to discuss ALL of the issues that are pertinent that they may or may not be
> aware of ? and that ? I will do for the long term stability of this
> organisation.
>
>
>
> In regards the current issue ? as I have said ? if the board is choosing not
> to publish ? I will honour that ? because I signed something I will adhere
> to ? but I will also publicly state that I do not agree with the assertion
> that there is nothing in there that is material to this community.
>
>
>
> I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements ? it makes a
> reference to ?net assets attributable to members?, now, my laymans
> understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, pay AfriNIC to
> deliver us a service and because of the way the organisation and RIR?s in
> general are structured, we also get a say in how that service is done, and
> in effect, the financial aspects of the company are of concern to the
> members, since AfriNIC in effect is acting on our behalf in a trust
> capacity. To enhance that trust ? we need to know that the organisation
> will honour the rules around non-profit organisations and transparency ? and
> that is something ? I plan to fully test.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
> Sent: 28 June 2017 12:49
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
>
>
>
> Dear Mr Alston,
>
> On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Hi Sunday,
>
>
>
> Ok ? now we have a problem ? let me quote what you said:
>
>
>
> "This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit
> committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone
> other than these specified parties."
>
> Now, let me quote from the bylaws:
>
>
>
> 7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General
> Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the
> rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:
>
> (ii) receive any auditor's report;
>
>
>
> So ? what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report ? and
> is from the auditors.
>
> Then ? we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report ? NOT
> the financial audit report ? not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*
>
>
>
> As such ? by my reading of this ? the board is now in violation of the
> bylaws ? clearly ? and without apology ? in violation of that clause. Are
> you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> I would like to remind everybody that an ?auditor?s report? is a specific
> type of report, and ?any auditor?s report? means any instance of an
> auditor?s report. It does not mean ?any report that originates from an
> auditor?.
>
>
>
> AFRINIC has published any and all auditor?s reports.
>
>
>
> AFRINIC?s auditors and AFRINIC?s legal counsel have confirmed that the
> management letter is not an auditor?s report, neither is it part of an
> auditor?s report, and it is a confidential document.
>
>
>
> Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management
> letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if
> there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor?s report, which
> has been published.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Board Chair.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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From ondouglas at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 11:42:03 2017
From: ondouglas at gmail.com (Douglas Onyango)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 14:42:03 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Board-Community Engagement
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Dear Chair,
Thank you very much for this important update.
While I applaud efforts by the board in engaging the community, I am
curious to understand the rationale behind these interventions.
Should they be read as an indication from the board that if feels that the
mechanisms already in place, include Open Mics at AGMs and Board Governance
Committee are insufficient?

I am asking because my reading of the situation is not that current
channels do not exits or are insufficient. Rather, my thinking is that
mechanisms to address issues raised using current channels and updating the
community is what needs fixing.

Based this thinking I would be more welcoming of interventions that provide
processes and mechanisms to capture this feedback, track implementation and
reporting back to the community. Noah's recommendations are a great place
to start.

Regards,

On 28 June 2017 at 17:14, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> As part of our efforts to enhance the Board-community engagement process,
> the Board is introducing an open microphone session at all subsequent
> AfriNIC meetings, whether there is an AGMM or SGMM or not.
>
> The Open Mic sessions will be at least One hour (with provisions for more
> time). It will afford the community, an opportunity to discuss wide ranging
> issues and also interact with the Board and the Staff.
>
> As part of the engagement process, we will appreciate if the Community can
> take note of the following:
>
>  - Issues of Strategic nature should be sent to board at afrinic.net.
>
>  - Issues of Operational nature should be sent to ceo at afrinic.net
>
> When in doubt, please be kind enough to send the request to
> ceo at afrinic.net and it will be routed appropriately.
>
> In order to avoid any doubts on the existing communication channels, it
> should be noted that  the community (community-discuss at afrinic.net) and
> Members (members-discuss at afrinic.net) discussion lists will continue to
> exist. Indeed, such requests can be copied to such lists.
>
> These are in addition to the service related contacts set out in the
> AFRINIC Service Level Commitment at https://afrinic.net/en/service
> s/afrinic-slc
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan
> Chair, AfriNIC Board
>
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From sm+afrinic at elandsys.com  Fri Jun 30 19:27:52 2017
From: sm+afrinic at elandsys.com (sm+afrinic at elandsys.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:27:52 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources
 (off-topic)
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20170630115116.0ccc20e8@elandsys.com>

Hi Sander,
At 03:29 29-06-2017, Sander Steffann wrote:
>Indeed, it is worrying that insider knowledge is necessary to know 
>what information to ask for. That already shows a lack of 
>transparency. Afrinic (morally) belongs to its members, and I 
>understand the desire of those members to know how their 
>organisation is run so they can have trust that it is run well. It 
>would indeed be good to be able to build this trust without using 
>insider knowledge.

 From the above, the issue is that a representative of a company 
which is a member of Afrinic Ltd does not have adequate information 
to know whether Afrinic Ltd is run well.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy