[Community-Discuss] "Fighting Internet Shutdown" - Any Role for AFRINIC?
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Thu Apr 13 13:39:24 UTC 2017
This is a very reasonable proposition, consistent with the principles
that guide us.
I shall bring it to the attention of the Board, to explore ways that
AFRINIC through the AfGWG can galvanize our engagement with Governments
for the common good.
On 13/04/2017 14:30, Noah wrote:
> Hi Omo
> Yes I would rather AFRINIC engaged all stakeholder including in
> members and setup say a panel of different stakeholders to deliberate
> this issue in a multistakeholder platform.
> Which is why i was of the opinion that in the upcoming AIS meeting,
> the issue be added to the AFRINIC agenda.
> This is a much better approach for such a non-technical issue. Because
> even when we carefully examine the motive behind internet shutdowns
> and censorship, its so complicated for a mere policy to even offer a
> lasting solution and different government have had different reasons
> for taking such measures.
> So AFRINIC engaging the community at large and governments through
> AFGWG we can find solutions and Seun also shared some practical ideas....
> On 13 Apr 2017 2:17 p.m., "Omo Oaiya" <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net
> <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>> wrote:
> +1. A practical approach that could yield good results. Last
> thing we want Afrinic to do is to complicate the situation with
> empty rhetoric and make an already bad situation worse.
>> On 13 Apr 2017, at 12:11, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>> Hi Seun,
>> Indeed Tutu has raise some great pointers and in addition to your
>> centiments, i am of the view this kind of approach is more
>> fruitful ref: internet shutdowns and censorship.
>> I suppose AFRINIC has been in the past engaging governments
>> through the AFGWG and i would be keep to get some insights from
>> AFRINIC regarding the same.
>> Meanwhile, could AFRINIC organise a BoF during the upcoming
>> meeting where all those who will be on the ground can discuss
>> some of these pertinent issues openly. We could have a panel
>> discussion and discuss this issue way better.
>> AFRINIC could also invite some of the government officials and
>> other internet leaders to this kind of BoF.
>> I believe a BoF is one way for AFRINIC to be proactive in
>> engaging the wider community.
>> Also we could get folk from countries where the internet has ever
>> been disconnected including cameroon to share more ideas on how
>> to approach this issue.
>> On 13 Apr 2017 12:24 p.m., "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> <Taking this to the community list, where it belongs>
>> Dear Community,
>> Tutu raises a critical point and I also strongly agree that
>> we should let this discussion live on.
>> AFRINIC sure presently have provided various avenues to
>> engage government and as i think there seem to be a slow but
>> steady improvement in govt participation. I wonder how
>> AFRINIC can futher leverage on this to drive down the point
>> about why government needs to stop considering a shutdown of
>> internet or certain service as an option. May be good to hear
>> from staff how participation of the AFGWG has been so far -
>> especially to try to identify challenges to participation and
>> how to resolve them.
>> One other thing that comes to mind is whether AFRINIC can be
>> pro-active instead of re-active i.e they are made aware of
>> the planned act and issue strong statement against it hoping
>> that it will get to the ears of relevant authorities and get
>> them to reconsider. This may also be effective if the
>> relationship between AFRINIC and the AU (and regional bodies
>> like ECOWAS, EAC, COMESA etc) is strengthened as that can
>> serve as a channel of communication to the respective
>> That said, I will like to pause on the role of AFRINIC as it
>> also seem to me that the role of ISPs is quite critical in
>> this. Traffic distribution structure/topology varies by
>> countries hence there is some level of dependencies that
>> would exist and I wonder if ISPs can leverage upon that as
>> well. Also there are situations where government would ask
>> for shutdown of certain services of the internet(like social
>> media) so connectivity still exist to reduce the outcry,
>> perhaps in those cases, ISPs could also make it clear that
>> its either a total shutdown or nothing and then hope that the
>> country's community/citizens will notice and be loud enough
>> to get government to change their order.
>> Just a few ideas i thought I should throw in here since we
>> seem to have an understanding as a community that an RIR
>> policy cannot be a way to address this very important issue.
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Tutu Ngcaba
>> <pan.afrikhan at gmail.com <mailto:pan.afrikhan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear the Afrinic Ltd,
>> Since you put out a statement a few days ago condemning
>> internet shutdown problem which is a serious issue.
>> Can you please take this issue up and drive it. I request
>> that the Afrinic shall and should make this as an angenda
>> topic also in meetings to come.
>> We should also involve all isoc chapters in all our
>> We can discuss the internet shutdown under the Africann
>> and community mailing list and engage all members but not
>> through policy.
>> This will make the statement the Afrinic made as about
>> shutdown as the main agenda and even we use avenues like
>> the Afrinic AFGWG.
>> Multistake holder meeting is also important for engaging
>> our governements.
>> So i believe we can all take this discussion to community
>> and Africann mailing list and the Afrinic can engage the
>> This way we can get all concerned african people together
>> and find wiser ways of engaging our governments.
>> Most African country economy depend on agriculture and
>> not Internet. So internet is nothing to governments when
>> they chose to shutdown temporaly since to them shutdown
>> has only small term economic impact that is why some do
>> it in most cases to contain chaos or riots.
>> Let us keep in mind that some countries presidents are in
>> power for so many years and the government can do anything.
>> So simple questions like why do some governments do it
>> are important.
>> Awareness and education is more important not policy.
>> Best Regards,
>> Tutu Ngcaba
>> Kwazulu Techno Hubs
>> South Africa
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>> RPD at afrinic.net <mailto:RPD at afrinic.net>
>> /Seun Ojedeji,
>> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
>> web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/>
>> Mobile: +2348035233535
>> email:<http://goog_1872880453/>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>/
>> Bringing another down does not take you up - think
>> about your action!
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