From amelnaud at gmail.com  Thu May  5 08:38:58 2016
From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:38:58 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] About NRO NC discuss
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Hi community,

I have a question that bothers me since our return from Pointe-Noire. We
had many discussions about the selection of representatives for NRO NC ...
What were the outcomes of those discussions  and what were the terms set
for their term. I do not remember that we got concensus ? Thank you to
whoever wants to answer me .

Best regards

Arnaud
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Thu May  5 21:09:31 2016
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:09:31 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] About NRO NC discuss
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> On 5 May 2016, at 04:38, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a question that bothers me since our return from Pointe-Noire. We had many discussions about the selection of representatives for NRO NC ... What were the outcomes of those discussions  and what were the terms set for their term. I do not remember that we got concensus ? Thank you to whoever wants to answer me .

I think you may be thinking the IANA Numbering Services Review Committee, which is something new.  In terms of Board resolution 201511.255 <http://afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2015#r255>, the Board recommended to the community that the same two people elected to the NRO NC should also automatically serve on the Review Committee.  There was a discussion about that at the public meeting in Pointe Noire, and the community supported the Board?s recommendation.

Alan Barrett




From Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd  Thu May  5 21:10:13 2016
From: Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd (Ilunga, Serge, Vodacom DRC)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 21:10:13 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
Message-ID: <16500F9AAE4A5F40A1A13DC12CD8CA47F4B351B0@CDKINJSSPMMB01.vodacom.cd>



Dear Members and Community,

It has been raised here and there that Conflict Of Interest shall be  well managed inside the board to avoid certain things.
The board meeting of February 2016 was dedicated to NOMCOM matters.
I'm surprised to see that the Chair did not check Conflict of Interest at the opening.
Surprisedly the minutes[under  http://www.afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2016/1699-minutes-20162402 ] do not tell how all the resolutions were passed at that meeting.
One could want to know who voted on and for what if the kind of transparency we are calling for is effective.
Some of the board members may be running for elections this year.

With Regards.






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Ilunga, Serge, Vodacom DRC

Transmission Optimization Manager

Landline: +243814443160

Mobile: +243814443160

Email: Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd<mailto:Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd>

Address: 3157, Blvd du 30 juin, Building Mobil - Oil,

Kinshasa - Gombe, Republique Democratique du Congo

<http://www.vodacom.cd/><http://http://www.vodacom.cd/>www.vodacom.cd<http://www.vodacom.cd>

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From owen at delong.com  Fri May  6 06:53:30 2016
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 23:53:30 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
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I agree? Mr. Chair, is there any reason not to disclose the voting records for each board resolution?

Owen

> On May 5, 2016, at 14:10 , Ilunga, Serge, Vodacom DRC <Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
> Dear Members and Community,
>  
> It has been raised here and there that Conflict Of Interest shall be  well managed inside the board to avoid certain things.
> The board meeting of February 2016 was dedicated to NOMCOM matters.
> I'm surprised to see that the Chair did not check Conflict of Interest at the opening.
> Surprisedly the minutes[under  http://www.afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2016/1699-minutes-20162402 <http://www.afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2016/1699-minutes-20162402> ] do not tell how all the resolutions were passed at that meeting. 
> One could want to know who voted on and for what if the kind of transparency we are calling for is effective.
> Some of the board members may be running for elections this year.
>  
> With Regards.
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> <image7bf990.JPG>
> 
> Ilunga, Serge, Vodacom DRC
> 
> Transmission Optimization Manager
> 
> Landline: +243814443160
> 
> Mobile: +243814443160
> 
> Email: Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd <mailto:Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd>
> Address: 3157, Blvd du 30 juin, Building Mobil - Oil,
> 
> Kinshasa - Gombe, Republique Democratique du Congo
> 
> 
>  <http://www.vodacom.cd/> <http://http//www.vodacom.cd/>www.vodacom.cd <http://www.vodacom.cd/>
>  <https://twitter.com/#!/Vodacomcongo> 
> 
> MEILLEUR RESEAU INTERNET EN RDC
> 
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> 
> <imagef06403.PNG>
> 
>  
> 
> This e-mail is classified C2 - Vodacom Restricted - Information to be used inside Vodacom but it may be shared with authorised partners.
> 
> Ce courriel est classifi? C2 ? Vodacom Restreint. Ce sont des informations dont la divulgation non autoris?e, en particulier en dehors de l'organisation, serait inappropri?e et inopportune
> 
>  
> 
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri May  6 07:29:08 2016
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 08:29:08 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
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Based on Alan's response that it was unanimous, then it will be good to
have recorded on the minutes.
While this could be seen as an editorial oversight, it's important to avoid
this minor editorial error from happening in future.

Regards

Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On 6 May 2016 7:55 a.m., "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> I agree? Mr. Chair, is there any reason not to disclose the voting records
> for each board resolution?
>
> Owen
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 14:10 , Ilunga, Serge, Vodacom DRC <
> Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Members and Community,
>
> It has been raised here and there that Conflict Of Interest shall be  well
> managed inside the board to avoid certain things.
> The board meeting of February 2016 was dedicated to NOMCOM matters.
> I'm surprised to see that the Chair did not check Conflict of Interest at
> the opening.
> Surprisedly the minutes[under
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2016/1699-minutes-20162402 ]
> do not tell how all the resolutions were passed at that meeting.
> One could want to know who voted on and for what if the kind of
> transparency we are calling for is effective.
> Some of the board members may be running for elections this year.
>
> With Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <image7bf990.JPG>
>
> Ilunga, Serge, Vodacom DRC
>
> Transmission Optimization Manager
>
> Landline: +243814443160
>
> Mobile: +243814443160
>
> Email: Serge.Ilunga at vodacom.cd
>
> Address: 3157, Blvd du 30 juin, Building Mobil - Oil,
>
> Kinshasa - Gombe, Republique Democratique du Congo
>
> <http://www.vodacom.cd/> <http://http//www.vodacom.cd/>www.vodacom.cd
>
> <https://twitter.com/#!/Vodacomcongo>
>
> *MEILLEUR RESEAU INTERNET EN RDC*
>
> <imagecd0eb6.GIF> <https://www.facebook.com/VodacomRDC> <image6f6728.GIF>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/10335744?trk=tyah&trkInfo=clickedVertical%3Acompany%2CclickedEntityId%3A10335744%2Cidx%3A2-1-2%2CtarId%3A1449147629324%2Ctas%3Avodacom%20rdc>
>  <imageba1322.GIF> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/10335744>
>
> <imagef06403.PNG>
>
>
> *This e-mail is classified C2 - Vodacom Restricted - Information to be
> used inside Vodacom but it may be shared with authorised partners.*
>
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> informations dont la divulgation non autoris?e, en particulier en dehors de
> l'organisation, serait inappropri?e et inopportune*
>
>
>
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>
>
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From randy at psg.com  Fri May  6 09:46:31 2016
From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 18:46:31 +0900
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
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> Based on Alan's response that it was unanimous, then it will be good to
> have recorded on the minutes.
> While this could be seen as an editorial oversight, it's important to avoid
> this minor editorial error from happening in future.

let's put the requirement in the bylaws!  :)

randy



From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri May  6 11:23:40 2016
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 12:23:40 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
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Actually I don't think it's necessary, as I assume this was just an
oversight (as I observed that the votes were recorded in a few previous
minutes I checked).

Nevertheless, if engraving in the bylaw is what will make us not forget in
future then that will be fine. One of the ways we can keep the board
accountable is through the minutes, as it could help them to always think
deeply before they act (since they know the community is watching their
individual actions). More importantly that the community will have facts to
challenge the (entire/individual) board as applicable will be a positive
step forward on transparency path.

Regards
Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On 6 May 2016 10:46, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> wrote:

> > Based on Alan's response that it was unanimous, then it will be good to
> > have recorded on the minutes.
> > While this could be seen as an editorial oversight, it's important to
> avoid
> > this minor editorial error from happening in future.
>
> let's put the requirement in the bylaws!  :)
>
> randy
>
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Fri May  6 11:41:32 2016
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 14:41:32 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
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On 6 May 2016 14:24, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nevertheless, if engraving in the bylaw is what will make us not forget
in future then that will be fine. One of the ways we can keep the board
accountable is through the minutes, as it could help them to always think
deeply before they act (since they know the community is watching their
individual actions). More importantly that the community will have facts to
challenge the (entire/individual) board as applicable will be a positive
step forward on transparency path.
>

Yes, engraving would remove the room for excusses , let's us add it to the
bylawys..[1]

Noah
>

[1] Transparency cant be compromised.
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From randy at psg.com  Fri May  6 11:46:12 2016
From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 20:46:12 +0900
Subject: [Community-Discuss] BOD and Management of Conflict of Interest
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> Yes, engraving would remove the room for excusses , let's us add
> it to the bylawys..[1]

unbelievable!  did you not see the smiley?  i was being sarcastic.
don't folk have networks to run?

randy



From mainanoa at gmail.com  Fri May  6 11:53:27 2016
From: mainanoa at gmail.com (Noah)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 14:53:27 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] BOD and Management of
 Conflict of Interest
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On 6 May 2016 14:46, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, engraving would remove the room for excusses , let's us add
> > it to the bylawys..[1]
>
> unbelievable!  did you not see the smiley?  i was being sarcastic.
>

What makes you think i was not also being sarcastic :-)

> don't folk have networks to run?

No, everyone is idle...

>
> randy
>

Noah
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From amelnaud at gmail.com  Fri May  6 12:49:14 2016
From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 12:49:14 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] About NRO NC discuss
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If I refer to the resolution 201511-255, it was stated that the Board
would make
a recommendation to the community. This was done at Pointe-Noire, but the
discussion continued online until December 2015. One could expect final
decision from the Board after the online various discussions, thus my
confusion.

Regards.

Arnaud

2016-05-05 21:09 GMT+00:00 Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>:

>
> > On 5 May 2016, at 04:38, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a question that bothers me since our return from Pointe-Noire. We
> had many discussions about the selection of representatives for NRO NC ...
> What were the outcomes of those discussions  and what were the terms set
> for their term. I do not remember that we got concensus ? Thank you to
> whoever wants to answer me .
>
> I think you may be thinking the IANA Numbering Services Review Committee,
> which is something new.  In terms of Board resolution 201511.255 <
> http://afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2015#r255>, the Board recommended
> to the community that the same two people elected to the NRO NC should also
> automatically serve on the Review Committee.  There was a discussion about
> that at the public meeting in Pointe Noire, and the community supported the
> Board?s recommendation.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Fri May  6 13:53:25 2016
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 09:53:25 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] About NRO NC discuss
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> On 6 May 2016, at 08:49, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If I refer to the resolution 201511-255, it was stated that the Board would make a recommendation to the community. This was done at Pointe-Noire, but the discussion continued online until December 2015. One could expect final decision from the Board after the online various discussions, thus my confusion.

Oh, I see.  I think that the Board should pass another resolution to finalise the matter.

Alan Barrett




From sergekbk at gmail.com  Fri May  6 21:02:32 2016
From: sergekbk at gmail.com (serge ilunga)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 22:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] BOD and Management of
 Conflict of Interest
In-Reply-To: <CACad2nBEq-xfy2vSEFrcy9=Mc5nERoarc4XiYsVH9+UC0oLDxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16500F9AAE4A5F40A1A13DC12CD8CA47F4B351B0@CDKINJSSPMMB01.vodacom.cd>
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Message-ID: <CAHm7s1RwV5js=mGThqWagHQo=gL0N+-WsCHG+mQ_qPrK+jDspQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Allan,

The only board member who sits on the 2016 NomCom is not reaching the
end of his term, and so is not running for election.

If your question about ?how the resolutions were passed? refers to who
voted YES and who voted NO, then it?s true that the minutes are silent
about that.   My memory is that the resolutions at that meeting were
all passed unanimously, as is very common.

Alan Barrett

Wisdom and Good Practices would require that in a meeting around
constitution of a committee that will play a role in elections in which
some BOD members can be candidates:
1. Start by a Declaration of possible Conflict of Interest.
2. Manage Meeting resolution adoption taking into account COI..

With Regards.


On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Noah <mainanoa at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 6 May 2016 14:46, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, engraving would remove the room for excusses , let's us add
> > > it to the bylawys..[1]
> >
> > unbelievable!  did you not see the smiley?  i was being sarcastic.
> >
>
> What makes you think i was not also being sarcastic :-)
>
> > don't folk have networks to run?
>
> No, everyone is idle...
>
> >
> > randy
> >
>
> Noah
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kumalop at afri-com.net  Mon May  9 10:01:52 2016
From: kumalop at afri-com.net (Promise Kumalo)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 12:01:52 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Registration Now Open!
In-Reply-To: <55a0aa46-e6e6-bcc7-be45-8cb99bf43545@seacom.mu>
References: <55a0aa46-e6e6-bcc7-be45-8cb99bf43545@seacom.mu>
Message-ID: <00ae01d1a9d9$cfa8ab30$6efa0190$@afri-com.net>

Is there going to be Remote participation option  for  SAFNOG-3?

Regards

Promise






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu] 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:48 AM
To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> General Discussions of AFRINIC
<community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Registration Now Open!

Hello all.

Pleased to inform you that registration for the SAFNOG-3 meeting, to be held
in Windhoek, Namibia, 8th - 10th August, 2016, is now open.

To register your participation for SAFNOG-3, please visit the link below:

	http://www.safnog.org/

Please note that you will be able to view who else is attending SAFNOG-3 at
the bottom of the registration web site.

We look forward to seeing you all in Windhoek.

Cheers,

Mark Tinka
On Behalf of the SAFNOG Management Committee

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From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Mon May  9 14:55:19 2016
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 16:55:19 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Registration Now Open!
In-Reply-To: <00ae01d1a9d9$cfa8ab30$6efa0190$@afri-com.net>
References: <55a0aa46-e6e6-bcc7-be45-8cb99bf43545@seacom.mu>
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Message-ID: <9cf289dc-50f0-44af-814e-14014fd992dd@seacom.mu>

Hi Promise.

Thanks for your e-mail.

We are looking into this and will be able to advise in the coming weeks.

Mark.

On 9/May/16 12:01, Promise Kumalo wrote:
> Is there going to be Remote participation option  for  SAFNOG-3?
>
> Regards
>
> Promise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu] 
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:48 AM
> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net >> General Discussions of AFRINIC
> <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Registration Now Open!
>
> Hello all.
>
> Pleased to inform you that registration for the SAFNOG-3 meeting, to be held
> in Windhoek, Namibia, 8th - 10th August, 2016, is now open.
>
> To register your participation for SAFNOG-3, please visit the link below:
>
> 	http://www.safnog.org/
>
> Please note that you will be able to view who else is attending SAFNOG-3 at
> the bottom of the registration web site.
>
> We look forward to seeing you all in Windhoek.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark Tinka
> On Behalf of the SAFNOG Management Committee
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> .
>




From arbogast.fabian at aku.edu  Fri May 13 04:52:16 2016
From: arbogast.fabian at aku.edu (arbogast fabian)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 04:52:16 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NAT64
Message-ID: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>

Folks?

We are looking into way we can gradually deploy IPv6 in our network?

Already we have it running and we have one Test Machine??. The challenge we are facing is that from that machine with IPv6 and from other Machines with IPv4 we can?t communicate in either direction..

IPv6 Machine just communicate with IPv6 only machines like wise IPv4 Machines just communicate with IPv4 machines ?.

A work around is to do NAT64 between the two subnets?.

It seems the hardware (Cisco 2921 router with IOS Version 15.0) can?t do NAT64??..

>From the internet it seems NAT64 runs on IOS-XE and IOS-CGSE which are Hardware dependent??..seems that we can?t upgrade IOS Version 15.0 to any the two which supports NAT64.

Before committing any expenses to acquire new router we want to reach out to the community for comments and advises?.

Pls. review and advise.

Thank you?


--

Arbogast Fabian,
IT Manager,
Aga Khan Development Network,
Aga Khan University - Tanzania
10 Urambo Street ? Upanga,
P.o Box 125,
11102 Dar Es Salaam.
Tel:+255-22-2150051
Fax:+255-2150875
Cell:+255-78-447-8387



From jnoulaye at yahoo.fr  Fri May 13 09:45:34 2016
From: jnoulaye at yahoo.fr (jnoulaye at yahoo.fr)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 09:45:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NAT64
In-Reply-To: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>
References: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>
Message-ID: <482820335.2727617.1463132734378.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Fabian,You will be comfortable using the Cisco ASR 1000 Series routers, which includes the stateful NAT64 technology.?In the other hand this mailing list is not appropriate for a quick answer or comment on this issue. Rather move ?this point to the AFNOG mailing list, this one regroups the operators and ISP engineers who can quickly send some suitable comments or best pratices on NAT64 with Cisco2921. I copied ?here the afnog mailing list.
Warm regards?Janvier NgnoulayeCisco NetAcad InstructorYaounde - Cameroon
      De?: arbogast fabian <arbogast.fabian at aku.edu>
 ??: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net> 
 Envoy? le : Vendredi 13 mai 2016 5h52
 Objet?: [Community-Discuss] NAT64
   
Folks?

We are looking into way we can gradually deploy IPv6 in our network?

Already we have it running and we have one Test Machine??. The challenge we are facing is that from that machine with IPv6 and from other Machines with IPv4 we can?t communicate in either direction..

IPv6 Machine just communicate with IPv6 only machines like wise IPv4 Machines just communicate with IPv4 machines ?.

A work around is to do NAT64 between the two subnets?.

It seems the hardware (Cisco 2921 router with IOS Version 15.0) can?t do NAT64??..

>From the internet it seems NAT64 runs on IOS-XE and IOS-CGSE which are Hardware dependent??..seems that we can?t upgrade IOS Version 15.0 to any the two which supports NAT64.

Before committing any expenses to acquire new router we want to reach out to the community for comments and advises?.

Pls. review and advise.

Thank you?


--

Arbogast Fabian,
IT Manager,
Aga Khan Development Network,
Aga Khan University - Tanzania
10 Urambo Street ? Upanga,
P.o Box 125,
11102 Dar Es Salaam.
Tel:+255-22-2150051
Fax:+255-2150875
Cell:+255-78-447-8387

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From adam at varud.com  Fri May 13 14:02:01 2016
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NAT64
In-Reply-To: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>
References: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGTm15=9ajwocMGe5L4toKqpEsSJR=4im+-s5WYXMe0wzrH2Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Arbogast,

I think you'll get better answers on Afrinog or Eanog ... and I'm just a
server guy :-)

But anyway, it seems like IOS 15.4 supports NAT64:

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipaddr_nat/configuration/15-mt/nat-15-mt-book/iadnat64-stateless.html

No need to use XE or CGSE.

But I could be totally wrong.

-Adam

--
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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:52 AM, arbogast fabian <arbogast.fabian at aku.edu>
wrote:

> Folks?
>
> We are looking into way we can gradually deploy IPv6 in our network?
>
> Already we have it running and we have one Test Machine??. The challenge
> we are facing is that from that machine with IPv6 and from other Machines
> with IPv4 we can?t communicate in either direction..
>
> IPv6 Machine just communicate with IPv6 only machines like wise IPv4
> Machines just communicate with IPv4 machines ?.
>
> A work around is to do NAT64 between the two subnets?.
>
> It seems the hardware (Cisco 2921 router with IOS Version 15.0) can?t do
> NAT64??..
>
> From the internet it seems NAT64 runs on IOS-XE and IOS-CGSE which are
> Hardware dependent??..seems that we can?t upgrade IOS Version 15.0 to any
> the two which supports NAT64.
>
> Before committing any expenses to acquire new router we want to reach out
> to the community for comments and advises?.
>
> Pls. review and advise.
>
> Thank you?
>
>
> --
>
> Arbogast Fabian,
> IT Manager,
> Aga Khan Development Network,
> Aga Khan University - Tanzania
> 10 Urambo Street ? Upanga,
> P.o Box 125,
> 11102 Dar Es Salaam.
> Tel:+255-22-2150051
> Fax:+255-2150875
> Cell:+255-78-447-8387
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From owen at delong.com  Fri May 13 17:37:13 2016
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:37:13 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NAT64
In-Reply-To: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>
References: <D35B37D9.1A94D%arbogast.fabian@aku.edu>
Message-ID: <D254684D-6F6A-4E87-850A-AF98A304A0D5@delong.com>


> On May 12, 2016, at 21:52 , arbogast fabian <arbogast.fabian at aku.edu> wrote:
> 
> Folks?
> 
> We are looking into way we can gradually deploy IPv6 in our network?
> 
> Already we have it running and we have one Test Machine??. The challenge we are facing is that from that machine with IPv6 and from other Machines with IPv4 we can?t communicate in either direction..

Why not put both IPv6 _AND_ IPv4 on both sets of machines?

> IPv6 Machine just communicate with IPv6 only machines like wise IPv4 Machines just communicate with IPv4 machines ?.

If you put IPv4 on the IPv6 machine, it will be able to talk to both.

If you put IPv6 on the IPv4 machines, they will be able to talk to the IPv6 only machine.

> A work around is to do NAT64 between the two subnets?.

Ick, but yes, if you must.

> It seems the hardware (Cisco 2921 router with IOS Version 15.0) can?t do NAT64??..

Stand up a cheap Linux box or VM to do the NAT64 and DNS64 (you will need both).

>> From the internet it seems NAT64 runs on IOS-XE and IOS-CGSE which are Hardware dependent??..seems that we can?t upgrade IOS Version 15.0 to any the two which supports NAT64.
> 
> Before committing any expenses to acquire new router we want to reach out to the community for comments and advises?.

First, if possible, avoid NAT64 and use native dual-stack. If you don?t have sufficient IPv4 resources to do so, you can still acquire additional resources from AfriNIC at this time.

Owen




From mark.tinka at seacom.mu  Mon May 16 14:01:29 2016
From: mark.tinka at seacom.mu (Mark Tinka)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 16:01:29 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] SAFNOG-3: Call for Papers!
Message-ID: <4ddf638f-f87b-c673-4c04-12a2b87cd5df@seacom.mu>

Hello all.

This is just to remind you that the Call for Papers (CfP) for SAFNOG-3
is open.

If you are interested in participating in SAFNOG-3 as a speaker or
panelist in Windhoek, Namibia, kindly review the details of the CfP and
submit your talk at the link below:

	http://www.safnog.org/#callforpapers

We look forward to receiving your submission, and working with you to
develop it into a topic that the community will find interesting and
informative.

Cheers,

Mark Tinka
On Behalf of the SAFNOG Management Committee



From mangawilly at gmail.com  Tue May 31 17:27:35 2016
From: mangawilly at gmail.com (Willy MANGA)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:35 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] =?utf-8?q?Tout_est_l=C3=A0_pour_impl=C3=A9men?=
	=?utf-8?q?ter_IPv6_svp?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKZY-5a9s1ayn-gYajhHE15a+q4h6JaY5EQ5ushkwKaDjx9=QA@mail.gmail.com>
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Bonjour,
[j'ai d?plac? mon propos pour la liste community]

I have sum up in english at the end...

Le 30/05/2016 17:07, Honest Ornella GANKPA a ?crit :
> 2016-05-30 16:34 GMT+01:00 GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK < 
> gnonkoto.patrick at artci.ci>:
> 
>> Hi Owen, En quoi est-ce d?gradant d'utiliser encore IPv4 ou ses
>> capacit?s d?gradantes ?
> 
> 
> Je pense que Owen parlait des performances de IPv4 en utilisant le
> terme *ever progressive degradation of its capabilities. *Avec
> l'adoption trop lente de IPv6 en Afrique, nous risquons vraiment de
> rater le train du IoT
> 
> Encourager les uns ? migrer ? IPv6 est une chose et donner la
> possibilit? ?
>> d'autres de le faire progressivement est une autre.
> 
> 
> Par contre peut ?tre faudrait-il encourager les nouveaux op?rateurs
> et ing?nieurs a d?ployer des r?seaux IPv6 de pr?f?rence. Let us not
> be ipv4 addicts enablers :-)


Je pense tr?s humblement qu'il faut encourager TOUT le monde ? avoir
un r?seau double-pile au moins en sortie et dans son r?seau interne ?
disposer d'un r?seau g?r? exclusivement en v6 .

Tout le monde ici dans cette liste a d?j? ?t? form?/impr?gn? en v6
(j'en suis presque sur) et connait plusieurs autres personnes qui
l'ont ?t?.
Il n y a AUCUNE raison si ce n'est un peu de volont? et du travail
personnel/communautaire qui peut faire progresser les choses.


>> Nous voulons donner plus de chances ? ces autres de poss?der IPv4
>> quand on sait que le d?ploiement sera dual stack et que ce ne
>> sera pas aussi brutal au risque de se mettre un couteau sous la
>> gorge.
>> 

A l'?chelle d'un end-user ? l'heure actuelle qui dispose au moins
d'une IPv4 fixe, il est tout ? fait possible d'avoir un r?seau en
double-pile.
C'est le cas de mon organisation en tout cas [1].

Les plus gros peuvent au moins faire l'effort sur leurs routeurs de
bordure et AU MOINS avoir quelques r?seaux d?di?s pour v6. Il n y a
pas de raison pour ne pas en avoir, je suis d?sol?.

Je redis ici ce que certains veulent faire transparaitre sur la liste
RPD: la priorit? doit ?tre d'aller vers l'avant et encourager
l'impl?mentation de v6 car RIEN, absolument RIEN n'emp?che d'avoir des
r?seaux v6. C'est plut?t parce qu'on se concentre sur v4 et sur ce
qu'on doit faire avec qu'on encourage l'existence du march? noir.


> Toujours dans le m?me ordre d?id?e Nat64 serait peut ?tre plus
> appropri?. Mais encore nous utilisons dans nos infrastructures
> beaucoup d'applications non compatibles v6. IPv4 sera encore utile
> pour longtemps en Afrique Donc un travail de fond doit se faire a
> ce niveau


A mon humble avis, le premier travail de fond est d'enlever le NAT
(v4) de l'esprit des gens. C'est une plaie. Je vois des op?rateurs
avec 4,5 couches de NAT; excusez moi mais c'est du n'importe quoi.

Il y eu des pr?sentations int?ressantes lors du RIPE72 [2] sur des cas
pratiques: que ce soit en dual-stack ou v6-only . Encore une fois, il
n y a pas d'excuses pour ne pas faire le moindre effort svp.


Je vais m?me aller plus loin.
J'entends certains ?conomistes (africains) dirent qu'on devrait
encourager l'?conomie sous-r?gionale.
Entre nous: si on d?cidait d'avoir tous nos r?seaux en v6 et mettre
place des services pour communiquer entre nous; vous croyez vraiment
qu'on aurait trop besoin de v4 ? (Non, Facebook, Google et consort ont
des serveurs chez nous et en v6, donc pas d'excuse) :)


- ----------------------------------

I will sum up a bit in english below ...

I move my comment from rpd list to community-discuss because it's not
related to a specific policy.

We have no excuse to not use IPv6 today . NO EXCUSE.
We have to remove NAT off our mind and in practice.
Even an end-user can proceed at least with a dual-stack network [3] .
We shall not focus on what should be fair with IPv4 because we are
giving more time to black market. Is that what we want ? I don't think so.

Most (if not all) suscriber of this list know how to implement IPv6.
And most have enough power to make IPv6 a reality in their
organisation,country.

Have a look on ripe72 presentations [2], they were many use-cases :
Dual-stack, IPv6-only and they all work. Let's move forward guy :)


1.
http://ongola.blogspot.com/2016/05/utiliser-ipv6-au-cameroun-en-tant.html

2. https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives

3. https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/2016/002047.html

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