[Community-Discuss] Resolution 201604.274 about Set-Up fees

[Badru Ntege]

Owen

I think I understand your position, the call for calm on sensitive issues is out let's all try to uphold.

The clarification on your membership is noted. I have always seen you as a guest so thank you for that.

But I hope you read between the lines in my email.

There are issues that are unresolved and might never be unresolved so we have to move on. When we drag those issues back as a means to defend a position like your email and Marks email you stir up the responses we see. I too noticed that I went back to those issues I had vowed to close. Which was not right for me either.

So let's all find a neutral way to make out points.

Once again thanks for your candid response.

Regards.



On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:50 am, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:


On Jul 14, 2016, at 23:36 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:

 Owen

On 7/15/16, 6:47 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:


I’m done adding noise to the list and feeding the trolls. I have tried my best to work for a peaceful resolution, but it seems clear to me now that you do not seek information, but rather seek to foment discontent and I have no desire to participate in that exercise.

If you mean the above it might be the most helpful act you have done for the community.  There are issues the community needs to resolve and this is best done by themselves.  With all due respect the community sees you as on outsider and as wrong as this might be in RIR eco system that’s just it.  (before anyone reads anything out of this statement it means from another RIR)

Then the community must adjust their perspective. I work for a company which has substantial operations in the AfriNIC service region. We care very deeply about what happens and whether you like it or not, as a result, I am, in fact, a member of the community and not an outsider at this point.

What might seem factual to you will be seem as a statement pursuing an agenda.  Just like every time I post something it is seem as an attack on the establishment, your posts are also seen as a defense on the establishment.  I’m sure most of the time it's not your intent but perceptions and paradigms are hard to change at times.

People will, of course, have their perspectives and their agendas. My agenda here is plain and I have stated it. I want to see the best outcome for the region and for the internet in general.

Anyone who believes I have a different agenda or would defend the establishment if I felt that the establishment was wrong should review my track record for an education.

Of recent I also think you crossed the line in some of your statements.  By that in our culture you are a guest and there’s a line that one has to be cautious not to cross as a guest.

Again, your idea that I am a guest and not a member of the community may be the source of some of your other errors in dealing with me.

You have been a long time friend of the community and I urge you continue the friendship when it comes to the technical value you bring.

It is absolutely my intent to remain a friend of the community even as I am also a member of the community.

As tempting as it might be when you add your opinion to a topic under discussion it seems to spin out of control and I’m sure many silently agree with Marcus’s email.

Then let them speak up as I have and as Marcus has. Let us hear everyone’s opinions and let the best opinions triumph in the debate and the market place of ideas. Let us not, however, focus on criticizing or denigrating each other, but instead focus on an open sharing of ideas and the constructive discussion and evaluation of the merits and disadvantages of those ideas that we might reach the best conclusion for the community and the internet as a whole.

While I may not always live up to the ideal I have expressed above, it is always my intent and I try very hard to do so.

To those who might be tempted to spin this email into anything else I ask you do not.

We need to move forward and build our community.  We will never agree with everyone and that is why we seek consensus or go for the vote but we have no choice but to co-exist.

This is one place where I absolutely agree with you, Badru. I hope you will continue forward in this way.

Owen

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