[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

Thu Jul 14 22:43:11 UTC 2016

Chair Sunday,

When can we the community have the  transcripts  of the 2014 meetings  as it being after a 1 year, the minutes are still not published.  So pls tell us know when we can expect it. 

Benjamin 

On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:12 PM, ALAIN AINA <aalain at trstech.net> wrote:

{ a bit late on this discussion, but  think i should add this for the record}

Hi,

We all were in Tunis and you are welcome to your opinions but I know you remember what transpired as well as I do. 

We all saw the professional manner in which Badru dealt with the issues the board experienced and how these were exposed to the community. The issue seemed to have root in board internal dysfunction which traced back to November 2014.  Some of the actors have left the board, but some are still acting as Director for the organisation.

I would not take us back to that very bad time in AFRINIC’s life, but i like to remind us of two major outcomes of Tunis which are  “GC” and “Publication of Board meeting minutes”. 

The resolutions  below followed :

========
june 2015
Resolution 201506.233

In the interest of accountability and transparency resolves to henceforth publish the minutes of the Board meeting within 7 days of its approval from the Board.

Resolution 201506.234

Resolves to publish the minutes of the meetings of the Board from June 2014 in such format approved by the Board.
-======

So far, nothing has changed at http://www.afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2014 and nobody can tell what happened in November 2014.

Hope this helps those that were not there or were not following

—Alain

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark’s clarification is exactly what I was referring to when I said that I
> believed the board had adequate reasons not to place Badrue on the CoE.
> 
> I wasn’t on the board, but I was present at the Tunis meeting.
> 
> Owen
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:11 , Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng> wrote:
>> 
>> +1 Mark. This clarification was indeed necessary. 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
>>> Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting.
>>> 
>>> Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia. He resigned after the
>>> Board had an impromptu meeting on stage during the meeting.
>>> I believe that one can guess he was asked to resign by the Board.
>>> 
>>> There were a number of ugly words exchanged at that meeting and if you
>>> were present at that meeting, I believe that you would have got the idea
>>> that there was bad blood between various parties.
>>> 
>>> I was on the Board at that time. Personally, I would not have agreed to
>>> having Badru in the honourably position of being a community elder (as
>>> such, CoE).
>>> 
>>> Any Board Member who steps down and who causes such disarray and
>>> hostility should expect to be kept at a distance. Please, I'm not trying
>>> to pick on Badru, but on the situation and actions at the time. It would
>>> not be rational to then honour such a past Chairperson with a seat on
>>> the CoE.
>>> 
>>> On 13/07/2016 09:40, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 12, 2016, at 22:01 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net
>>> >> <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com
>>> >> <mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>     Nishal +1
>>> >>
>>> >>     Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were
>>> >>     to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even
>>> >>     if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that
>>> >>     would disqualify them as a director.
>>> >>
>>> >>     I don't think the community would want an unable or unwilling CoE
>>> >>     member, or a convict.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> No community would.  We want them because of their experience as
>>> >> former Chairs
>>> >> I read the 'open to' in 16.1 as former chairs are willing to consider
>>> >> or be considered.  So some might decline or be denied
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     So I cannot see how automatic appointment could be implied.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> This is what bothers me.  We don't yet have 6 past chairs and we are
>>> >> discriminating without reason on appointment to CoE? How does this
>>> >> improve trust?
>>> >
>>> > Omo,
>>> >
>>> > You are claiming facts not in evidence.
>>> >
>>> > The board chair clearly stated that the matter has not yet been
>>> > considered by the board. This is not discrimination, it is a lack of
>>> > action in either direction, positive or negative. He further noted that
>>> > it will be on the agenda at the next board meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Claiming discrimination when there clearly isn’t any such thing going on
>>> > is nonsensical.
>>> >
>>> > Finally, appointment to the CoE is at the discretion of the board. They
>>> > are free to invite a past chair or not entirely at their discretion and
>>> > nothing requires them to explain their reasoning to the community. If
>>> > you don’t like their decision, vote for different board members next
>>> > time there is an election.
>>> >
>>> > Personally, given the manner in which Badru stepped down from the
>>> > chairmanship and the subsequent incidents leading to his departure from
>>> > the board, I would say that the board has more than ample reason if they
>>> > choose not to invite him to join the CoE. However, I respect that this
>>> > is a decision entirely at their discretion and I will accept whatever
>>> > decision they make.
>>> >
>>> > The purpose of the CoE is to advise the board. The board must be free to
>>> > choose who it does or does not want to receive advice from.
>>> >
>>> > Owen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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