From noah at neo.co.tz  Mon Aug  1 07:19:30 2016
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:19:30 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AoB of the Minutes of the Board Meeting -
 May 11, 2016
In-Reply-To: <DUB119-W18AFD498436AB5095C1383B90E0@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W18AFD498436AB5095C1383B90E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWbetZ2c4VRw4QH-ixZjo4QM5dkCZVA=aiV2jiTbAxWw0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear AfriNIC Board Chair,
>
>
>
> The AoB of the ?Minutes of the Board Meeting Held on Thursday 11 May 2016
> AT 15:27 UTC? on ?Requirement to resign from other positions when accepting
> a nomination to the Board? is raising two questions that is raising eye
> browse in the community and need to be addressed.
>
>
>
> Why this situation of conflict, well known to the Board, was not included
> in the TOR on which the NomCom2016 run the elections of Botswana?
>
>
>
> Since the board is directing the NomCom2016 to include this situation of
> conflict in their report to the community, could you please tell us whether
> NomCom2016 is now accountable to the community or not.
>
>
>
+1  Marcus

And did those to whom this was addressed get this email.


>
> Thank you
>
>
>

-- 
*./noah*
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From alan.barrett at afrinic.net  Mon Aug  1 18:10:25 2016
From: alan.barrett at afrinic.net (Alan Barrett)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 22:10:25 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Another BOD Governance Issue
In-Reply-To: <mwuf5mrlcc2xic32ruiugk81.1469186106860@email.android.com>
References: <mwuf5mrlcc2xic32ruiugk81.1469186106860@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <A8EAF8DA-20CF-4697-945E-0BB2193EC776@afrinic.net>

Hi Serge,


> On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:15, sergekbk <sergekbk at gmail.com> wrote:
> The point is with BOD proceeding.
> We can notice some inconstencies in conflict of Interest management.
> Sunday, Haitham and Aminata are in the slate of candidates.
> 1. Sunday  can chair the session while Haitham  can't because of conflict of interest when Sunday lost connectivity.
> This seems a Bylaws (section 19.1)breach as Haitham (Vice Chair) is present but the chaimanship is given to Kris.
> 2.Sunday and Haitham abstained to vote to approve the nominations while Aminata did not.

To clarify the issues around the minutes of the Board meeting of 11 May 2016:

1. Haitham el Nakhal requested not to chair any part of the meeting because his audio quality was poor.

2. Aminata Garba was disconnected from the meeting due to technical difficulties, before the nominations were discussed.  She neither voted not recused herself, because she was not present at the time.

In both cases, I believe that it was a mistake for the minutes to omit those facts.

Alan Barrett


From sfolayan at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 18:18:24 2016
From: sfolayan at gmail.com (Sunday Folayan)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:18:24 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AoB of the Minutes of the Board Meeting -
 May 11, 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAEqgTWbetZ2c4VRw4QH-ixZjo4QM5dkCZVA=aiV2jiTbAxWw0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W18AFD498436AB5095C1383B90E0@phx.gbl>
 <CAEqgTWbetZ2c4VRw4QH-ixZjo4QM5dkCZVA=aiV2jiTbAxWw0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d940f318-49da-ce64-49aa-7dabb2e28824@gmail.com>

**

*Dear Marcus,Noah and members of the community,*

*

I apologize that the response is coming late, I have been off email for 
a couple of days. Please see the response to the issues raised:

The AoB of the ?Minutes of the Board Meeting Held on Thursday 11 May 
2016 AT 15:27 UTC? on ?Requirement to resign from other positions when 
accepting a nomination to the Board? is raising two questions that is 
raising eyebrows in the community and need to be addressed.

Not surprising.


Why this situation of conflict, well known to the Board, was not 
included in the TOR on which the NomCom2016 run the elections of Botswana?


There is no reasonable way to answer a question like ?Why did the Board 
not do a better job of predicting the future?? The Elections TOR was 
approved before the call for nominations was made.

Since the board is directing the NomCom2016 to include this situation of 
conflict in their report to the community, could you please tell us 
whether NomCom2016 is now accountable to the community or not.


NomCom is appointed by the Board, and reports to the Board in terms of 
the Bylaws section 9.2.  The Board may instruct NomCom to present a 
report to the membership or the community. This is the spirit with which 
the Board discussed in 
http://afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2016/1809-minutes-20161105**Where 
it decided that the NomCom2016 should include that situation in their 
report to the community.


Other matters that may be of interest to the community include:


Is it OK for somebody to be a Director and also to hold a position in 
another committee or working group?  Certainly not for a Director to 
also be a PDWG Co-Chair.


If not, then when should they resign from other positions?  On being 
nominated, or on the candidate slate being announced, or on being elected?

Who should decide the rules? Most reasonable to allow the Board to do 
this, in consultation with the Community.


Where should the rules be written?  The Board thinks that the election 
guidelines would be a good place for most of the rules, but perhaps some 
of the rules are important enough to appear in the Bylaws.

Comments are welcome on this.


Thanks and Regards ?


Sunday Folayan**

*Chair*, AFRINIC Board**

*

**

On 01/08/2016 08:19, Noah wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear AfriNIC Board Chair,
>
>     The AoB of the ?Minutes of the Board Meeting Held on Thursday 11
>     May 2016 AT 15:27 UTC? on ?Requirement to resign from other
>     positions when accepting a nomination to the Board? is raising two
>     questions that is raising eye browse in the community and need to
>     be addressed.
>
>     Why this situation of conflict, well known to the Board, was not
>     included in the TOR on which the NomCom2016 run the elections of
>     Botswana?
>
>     Since the board is directing the NomCom2016 to include this
>     situation of conflict in their report to the community, could you
>     please tell us whether NomCom2016 is now accountable to the
>     community or not.
>
> +1  Marcus
>
> And did those to whom this was addressed get this email.
>
>
>     Thank you
>
>
> -- 
> *./noah*
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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From owen at delong.com  Tue Aug  2 01:04:03 2016
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:04:03 -0700
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AoB of the Minutes of the Board Meeting -
	May 11, 2016
In-Reply-To: <d940f318-49da-ce64-49aa-7dabb2e28824@gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W18AFD498436AB5095C1383B90E0@phx.gbl>
 <CAEqgTWbetZ2c4VRw4QH-ixZjo4QM5dkCZVA=aiV2jiTbAxWw0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <d940f318-49da-ce64-49aa-7dabb2e28824@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ED25A6B-12E2-4C7F-BB6F-FEF716E44552@delong.com>

> Is it OK for somebody to be a Director and also to hold a position in another committee or working group?  Certainly not for a Director to also be a PDWG Co-Chair. 
> 
> If not, then when should they resign from other positions?  On being nominated, or on the candidate slate being announced, or on being elected?  

Actually, I would argue that there is no reason they should have to resign their current position until the moment before their term of service begins in their newly elected position.

It makes no sense to me that someone should resign an existing position before they know that they have been elected to the new position.

In AfriNIC, the distinction between election and start of term of service is very short (perhaps minutes) IIRC, so this could be a distinction without a difference in this case, but that may not always remain the case. In ARIN, for example, elections take place in October, but we don?t start our term of service until January. If I were to run for and be elected to the ARIN board, it would not make sense for me to resign from the AC prior to December 31 for my Board Term starting in January. (Relax, this is just an example, I am not planning to run for ARIN board). 

If, at some point in the future, AfriNIC chooses to go to a delayed transition to facilitate a more orderly succession process (newly elected AC members work with the existing AC members between October and December to come up to speed on AC processes, though they do not participate in debate or voting), then this distinction would become more relevant.

However, while we are writing rules, I think that requiring resignation prior to assuming the new office makes more sense as it works in both scenarios without having to be touched in the event of a change between the current process and one of delayed transition.

> Who should decide the rules? Most reasonable to allow the Board to do this, in consultation with the Community.

I agree with this. However, when should the rules be changed also merits discussion IMHO. It is not a good idea to change the rules in the months leading up to an election. In fact, IMHO, the best time to change the rules is immediately after the election so that the lessons learned from the previous election are still fresh and can be best applied in the creation of new rules. This also has the virtue of providing maximum notice period on the new rules prior to the next election sequence.

> Where should the rules be written?  The Board thinks that the election guidelines would be a good place for most of the rules, but perhaps some of the rules are important enough to appear in the Bylaws.

I trust the board?s judgment on the placement of such rules/guidelines.

Owen
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From kmw.elitcha at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 14:56:38 2016
From: kmw.elitcha at gmail.com (abel ELITCHA)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 14:56:38 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC contributes to the IETF endowment
Message-ID: <CAN0q0kGGD08eymxJ5NHZ6tFxH9utF0Xuqgc8QTcBJgPWV5=CwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I came across this*. It sounds like a good positioning of AFRINIC and our
community globally. Therefore Congratulations.

However, beyond this, what is AFRINIC's strategy, to support the increase
of active participation within our region as far as development of
standards at IETF is concerned?

Thanks

*
http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1811-afrinic-contributes-to-ietf-endowment

-- 
Best regards,

--Komi A. Elitcha
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From sergekbk at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 06:42:38 2016
From: sergekbk at gmail.com (serge ilunga)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 07:42:38 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Another BOD Governance Issue
In-Reply-To: <A8EAF8DA-20CF-4697-945E-0BB2193EC776@afrinic.net>
References: <mwuf5mrlcc2xic32ruiugk81.1469186106860@email.android.com>
 <A8EAF8DA-20CF-4697-945E-0BB2193EC776@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <CAHm7s1QQMLktYYe+-U0ro6brBPJdG1M8v9=KqwW-0VPkJnmb5A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alan,

Thanks for providing these clarification points.
Comments inline?


>To clarify the issues around the minutes of the Board meeting of 11 May
2016:

>1. Haitham el Nakhal requested not to chair any part of the meeting
because his audio quality was >poor.

>2. Aminata Garba was disconnected from the meeting due to technical
difficulties, before the >nominations were discussed.  She neither voted
not recused herself, because she was >not present >at the time.

In this case, when the chair lost connectivity, vice-chair unable to chair
the session and Aminata was disconnected, why was Kris chosen to chair to
avoid any COI, while the 3 board members and candidates were out?

?The Chairman lost connectivity at 16:48 UTC, KS acted as Chairman to avoid
any conflict of interest in the review of candidates.?


>>In both cases, I believe that it was a mistake for the minutes to omit
those facts.

If it is a mistake, it is an unacceptable one.
9 board members are elected to oversee the operation of this organization
and must assume their responsibilities in high standard.
It  is surprising that such minutes passed the board minutes management
process which must include, minutes taking, review by board members and
approval at the succeeding meeting.

Anyway, we look forward to the corrected minutes for the 11th may meeting.

Thanks

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Hi Serge,
>
>
> > On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:15, sergekbk <sergekbk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The point is with BOD proceeding.
> > We can notice some inconstencies in conflict of Interest management.
> > Sunday, Haitham and Aminata are in the slate of candidates.
> > 1. Sunday  can chair the session while Haitham  can't because of
> conflict of interest when Sunday lost connectivity.
> > This seems a Bylaws (section 19.1)breach as Haitham (Vice Chair) is
> present but the chaimanship is given to Kris.
> > 2.Sunday and Haitham abstained to vote to approve the nominations while
> Aminata did not.
>
> To clarify the issues around the minutes of the Board meeting of 11 May
> 2016:
>
> 1. Haitham el Nakhal requested not to chair any part of the meeting
> because his audio quality was poor.
>
> 2. Aminata Garba was disconnected from the meeting due to technical
> difficulties, before the nominations were discussed.  She neither voted not
> recused herself, because she was not present at the time.
>
> In both cases, I believe that it was a mistake for the minutes to omit
> those facts.
>
> Alan Barrett
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
>



-- 
*Serge ILUNGA KABWIKA*
*Skype: sergekbk*
*Cell: +243814443160*
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From amelnaud at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 07:23:13 2016
From: amelnaud at gmail.com (Arnaud AMELINA)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 07:23:13 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Publication of Reports.
Message-ID: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Community,

Casually browsing the Afrinic website I discovered the publication of the
2015 annual report and even that of 2014. I thank Afrinic team for the hard
work done.

http://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/AR_14.pdf
http://afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2015.pdf
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From mgnalou at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 07:30:41 2016
From: mgnalou at gmail.com (Mazama Gnalou)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 07:30:41 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Publication of Reports.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPvop54neykWqOyZQLTeqjMa-dJvc89uga6+m+8c+-k0pQ6bHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Community,


Arnaud thank for the information given(the publication of the 2015 annual
report ).

GNALOU Mazama-esso
skype; mgnalou


2016-08-04 7:23 GMT+00:00 Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>:

> Hi Community,
>
> Casually browsing the Afrinic website I discovered the publication of the
> 2015 annual report and even that of 2014. I thank Afrinic team for the hard
> work done.
>
> http://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/AR_14.pdf
> http://afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2015.pdf
>
> _______________________________________________
> Community-Discuss mailing list
> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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From noah at neo.co.tz  Thu Aug  4 13:12:17 2016
From: noah at neo.co.tz (Noah)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:12:17 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Another BOD Governance Issue
In-Reply-To: <A8EAF8DA-20CF-4697-945E-0BB2193EC776@afrinic.net>
References: <mwuf5mrlcc2xic32ruiugk81.1469186106860@email.android.com>
 <A8EAF8DA-20CF-4697-945E-0BB2193EC776@afrinic.net>
Message-ID: <CAEqgTWbwx29umUbWLh8QMyhHdQWeDJyhnBaAVQ3Nggn9DQFPBg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Hi Serge,
>
>
> > On 22 Jul 2016, at 15:15, sergekbk <sergekbk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The point is with BOD proceeding.
> > We can notice some inconstencies in conflict of Interest management.
> > Sunday, Haitham and Aminata are in the slate of candidates.
> > 1. Sunday  can chair the session while Haitham  can't because of
> conflict of interest when Sunday lost connectivity.
> > This seems a Bylaws (section 19.1)breach as Haitham (Vice Chair) is
> present but the chaimanship is given to Kris.
> > 2.Sunday and Haitham abstained to vote to approve the nominations while
> Aminata did not.
>
> To clarify the issues around the minutes of the Board meeting of 11 May
> 2016:
>
> 1. Haitham el Nakhal requested not to chair any part of the meeting
> because his audio quality was poor.
>
> 2. Aminata Garba was disconnected from the meeting due to technical
> difficulties, before the nominations were discussed.  She neither voted not
> recused herself, because she was not present at the time.
>
> In both cases, I believe that it was a mistake for the minutes to omit
> those facts.
>

Hi Alan,

Out of my curiosity, if such a mistakes was made, then why was the same
mistake not corrected before the minutes where adopted?



> Alan Barrett
>
-- 
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From jwalu at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 13:23:35 2016
From: jwalu at yahoo.com (Walubengo J)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:23:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Publication of Reports.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1617851648.11037164.1470317015537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Finally,
...at least one community member thanking the AfriNIC team??.? I was almost convinced that there is absolutely nothing they are doing right :-)

walu.

      From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 10:23 AM
 Subject: [Community-Discuss] Publication of Reports.
   
Hi Community, Casually browsing the Afrinic website I discovered the publication of the 2015 annual report and even that of 2014. I thank Afrinic team for the hard work done. http://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/AR_14.pdf
http://afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2015.pdf

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From celestineojikah at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 10:13:28 2016
From: celestineojikah at yahoo.com (Ojikah Celestine)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:13:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Publication of Reports.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1723493066.10971108.1470305608929.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Interesting and detailed documents,everyone should read this. 

    On Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:25 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Hi Community, Casually browsing the Afrinic website I discovered the publication of the 2015 annual report and even that of 2014. I thank Afrinic team for the hard work done. http://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/AR_14.pdf
http://afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2015.pdf

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From celestineojikah at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 10:15:10 2016
From: celestineojikah at yahoo.com (Ojikah Celestine)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Publication of Reports.
In-Reply-To: <1723493066.10971108.1470305608929.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAGDMR_dXxUZMnZ7amwTq2d=PTcaRyzpSMe9ofsPbxMhKu3TzTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1723493066.10971108.1470305608929.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1536009724.11059903.1470305710058.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 

    On Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:13 AM, Ojikah Celestine <celestineojikah at yahoo.com> wrote:
 

 Interesting and detailed documents,everyone should read this. 

    On Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:25 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Hi Community, Casually browsing the Afrinic website I discovered the publication of the 2015 annual report and even that of 2014. I thank Afrinic team for the hard work done. http://www.afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/AR_14.pdf
http://afrinic.net/images/stories/Library/corp/annual-report-2015.pdf

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From madomey at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  5 10:10:06 2016
From: madomey at hotmail.com (Marcus K. G. Adomey)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:10:06 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] AoB of the Minutes of the Board Meeting -
 May 11, 2016
In-Reply-To: <d940f318-49da-ce64-49aa-7dabb2e28824@gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W18AFD498436AB5095C1383B90E0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAEqgTWbetZ2c4VRw4QH-ixZjo4QM5dkCZVA=aiV2jiTbAxWw0A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <d940f318-49da-ce64-49aa-7dabb2e28824@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB119-W33B94245B384957A9BFCFCB9180@phx.gbl>

Mr. Chair,

Thank you for your response.

Serekunda 2012 is a well-known case and should have guided the Board in proposing the TOR to the NomCom 2016 if the board really see a conflict or issue.

I agree that the ?Board may instruct NomCom to present a report to the membership or the community?.  But as the target and beneficiary of NomCom activity, it would be helpful and perhaps even necessary for the community to be involved in developing the TOR and guidelines.  This way, the report is even more meaningful when presented and makes the NomCom stronger and less prone to the issues we have observed. 

Thank you,


Marcus

To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
From: sfolayan at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:18:24 +0100
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AoB of the Minutes of the Board Meeting - May 11, 2016


  
    
  
  
    
      
    

    
      
      
        Dear Marcus,Noah and members of the community,

        

        I apologize that the response is coming late, I have been off email for a couple of days. Please see the response to the issues raised:
         
        The AoB of the ?Minutes of the Board Meeting Held on Thursday 11 May 2016 AT 15:27 UTC? on ?Requirement to resign from other positions when accepting a nomination to the Board? is raising two questions that is raising eyebrows in the community and need to be addressed.
         
        Not surprising. 
        

        Why this situation of conflict, well known to the Board, was not included in the TOR on which the NomCom2016 run the elections of Botswana?
        

        There is no reasonable way to answer a question like ?Why did the Board not do a better job of predicting the future?? The Elections TOR was approved before the call for nominations was made.
         
        Since the board is directing the NomCom2016 to include this situation of conflict in their report to the community, could you please tell us whether NomCom2016 is now accountable to the community or not.
        

        NomCom is appointed by the Board, and reports to the Board in terms of the Bylaws section 9.2.  The Board may instruct NomCom to present a report to the membership or the community. This is the spirit with which the Board discussed in  http://afrinic.net/en/about/bod/meeting/2016/1809-minutes-20161105 Where it decided that the NomCom2016 should include that situation in their report to the community. 
        

        Other matters that may be of interest to the community include:
        

        Is it OK for somebody to be a Director and also to hold a position in another committee or working group?  Certainly not for a Director to also be a PDWG Co-Chair. 
        

        If not, then when should they resign from other positions?  On being nominated, or on the candidate slate being announced, or on being elected?  
        
Who should decide the rules? Most reasonable to allow the Board to do this, in consultation with the Community.
        

        Where should the rules be written?  The Board thinks that the election guidelines would be a good place for most of the rules, but perhaps some of the rules are important enough to appear in the Bylaws.


        Comments are welcome on this.
        

        Thanks and Regards ?
        

        Sunday Folayan

        Chair, AFRINIC Board
      
    

    

    On 01/08/2016 08:19, Noah wrote:

    

    
      

        
          
            

              On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:19 PM,
                Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
                wrote:

                
                  
                    
                      Dear AfriNIC Board Chair,
                       
                      The AoB of the ?Minutes of
                        the Board Meeting Held on
                        Thursday 11 May 2016 AT 15:27 UTC? on
                        ?Requirement to resign from other
                        positions when accepting a nomination to the
                        Board? is raising two questions
                        that is raising eye browse in the community and
                        need to be addressed.
                       
                      Why this situation of
                        conflict, well known to the Board, was
                        not included in the TOR on which the NomCom2016
                        run the elections of Botswana?
                       
                      Since the board is directing
                        the NomCom2016 to include this
                        situation of conflict in their report to the
                        community, could you please tell
                        us whether NomCom2016 is now accountable to the
                        community or not.
                       
                    
                  
                
                +1  Marcus

                  

                  And did those to whom this was addressed get this
                  email.

                   

                
                
                  

                    
                      Thank you
                      
                           
                        
                  
                
              
              

              -- 

              
                
                  ./noah
                
              
            
          
        
      
      

      
      

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From gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:05:33 2016
From: gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com (Gwaliwa Mashaka)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:05:33 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Making mail list easy for new users
Message-ID: <CAOT1Tp2aM_-g+Ra7XNF-dmfGo6L6Xm5yW5KkoNfASv-LENU8Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

i am new here and i find the website it is a bit challenging in following
areas:

1>link to previous discussion
2>Expert areas
3>Online chatroom to answer question at real time
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:23:00 2016
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:23:00 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Making mail list easy for new users
In-Reply-To: <CAOT1Tp2aM_-g+Ra7XNF-dmfGo6L6Xm5yW5KkoNfASv-LENU8Ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOT1Tp2aM_-g+Ra7XNF-dmfGo6L6Xm5yW5KkoNfASv-LENU8Ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6h_8e72pqK89KnzhX_W3KV9eAFsfvRGuFUsPvW9RP+Nqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Do find inline:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Gwaliwa Mashaka <gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> i am new here and i find the website it is a bit challenging in following
> areas:
>
> 1>link to previous discussion
>

Here: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/

> 2>Expert areas
>

Could you further elaborate on this otherwise, you may find some topic
specific lists at the following url:

https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo



> 3>Online chatroom to answer question at real time
>

There is usually a jabber chat room during the  public policy meeting.

Regards

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From gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:24:43 2016
From: gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com (Gwaliwa Mashaka)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:24:43 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment
Message-ID: <CAOT1Tp2a1fCiWW4epteS8O1SzhCKg-AacMCLkQrKrfwSeN5NDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think all resolutions made by directors should be presented and approved
by community
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From gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:37:03 2016
From: gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com (Gwaliwa Mashaka)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:37:03 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Resolution 201604.274 about Set-Up fees
Message-ID: <CAOT1Tp3cty8hQvwc==qKSG+YuUhBSc110ZZJJKW-d1-zg6e-uw@mail.gmail.com>

I think the best thing to be done is to check expenditure and fees should
be set based on operation costs, the organisation financial capabilities
and size.So that no one can get harm
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From gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:43:05 2016
From: gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com (Gwaliwa Mashaka)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:43:05 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] community-discuss@afrinic.net
Message-ID: <CAOT1Tp0_risJrqM2fnAcm0ZEdyquKOFphsO_GCiGaEZHSw1aMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I totally agree with you Alan. For the growth of this organisation,
tolerance should also exercised.
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From gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:52:55 2016
From: gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com (Gwaliwa Mashaka)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:52:55 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Matters Arising
Message-ID: <CAOT1Tp0kxJHp-a_wQ+Gje-0BNEbZ99sNSAX_0TEMBNo3s3Gvww@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alan,

Thank you for clarification
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:59:17 2016
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:59:17 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Matters Arising
In-Reply-To: <CAOT1Tp0kxJHp-a_wQ+Gje-0BNEbZ99sNSAX_0TEMBNo3s3Gvww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOT1Tp0kxJHp-a_wQ+Gje-0BNEbZ99sNSAX_0TEMBNo3s3Gvww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6isYv+jG5J-FHXaXPX+3DiDroxWOofbeqVHpdfyjdL42A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

It seem you are creating new subject for every post but losing on the
original thread. You may want to check this, as it's difficult to follow.

Regards

Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On 10 Aug 2016 20:53, "Gwaliwa Mashaka" <gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Alan,
>
> Thank you for clarification
>
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From diana.ikwuagwu at unn.edu.ng  Thu Aug 11 11:16:03 2016
From: diana.ikwuagwu at unn.edu.ng (Diana Ikwuagwu)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:16:03 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] community-discuss@afrinic.net
In-Reply-To: <CAOT1Tp0_risJrqM2fnAcm0ZEdyquKOFphsO_GCiGaEZHSw1aMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOT1Tp0_risJrqM2fnAcm0ZEdyquKOFphsO_GCiGaEZHSw1aMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB=5e9+aW4-fawpt9GQLpSiK_poRTREUHvpa_z_mJMa1AhAieA@mail.gmail.com>

You are correct Mashaka tolerance and self control differentiates a
man from beast.  We must have self control.

On 8/10/16, Gwaliwa Mashaka <gwaliwa2010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I totally agree with you Alan. For the growth of this organisation,
> tolerance should also exercised.
>



From comm-announce at afrinic.net  Fri Aug 12 08:07:15 2016
From: comm-announce at afrinic.net (AFRINIC Communication)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:07:15 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Public Comment on IANA IPR Agreements
Message-ID: <5DE89C1F-5273-44F5-8C40-8B97093DAAFD@afrinic.net>

Dear Colleagues,

A call for public comments on the IANA IPR is now open at <https://www.ianacg.org/call-for-public-comment-on-iana-ipr-agreements/>.  The associated documents may also be found at <http://trustee.ietf.org/iana.html>.

This call for public comment seeks community input on three agreements concerning intellectual property rights (IPR) related to the IANA stewardship transition: 

- IANA IPR Assignment Agreement 
- IANA IPR License Agreement 
- IANA IPR Community Agreement

Comments are due by the deadline of September 12, 2016 at 23:59 UTC. Comments should be submitted via email to <IANAIPRpubliccomment at ianacg.org>. Commenters should clearly reference to which of the agreement(s) their comments apply.

The ICG web site is being used as a neutral site to host this call for public comment, but the agreements are not a product of the ICG.

Background

The Proposal to Transition the Stewardship of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Functions from the U.S. Commerce Department?s National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) to the Global Multistakeholder Community <https://www.ianacg.org/icg-files/documents/IANA-transition-proposal-final.pdf> includes a requirement for certain IPR associated with IANA to be transferred from ICANN to an entity independent of the IANA functions operator. The IPR consists of trademarks and domain names.

After discussion within the operational communities and the IETF Trust, the IETF Trust indicated that it would be willing to hold the IANA IPR.  The IETF Trust <http://trustee.ietf.org/> is a Virginia common law trust created in 2005. Among other things, the IETF Trust was created for the purpose of acquiring, holding, maintaining and licensing certain intellectual property for the advancement of the science and technology associated with the Internet and related technology. The IETF Trust agreed to hold the IANA IPR in the service of the affected Internet operational communities.

Representatives from the names community, the numbers community, the protocol parameters community, the IETF Trust, and ICANN have drafted a set of agreements to effectuate the transfer of the IANA IPR from ICANN to the IETF Trust and to govern the relationships amongst the parties with respect to the IPR after the transfer. These agreements are:

(1) IANA IPR Assignment Agreement. This agreement transfers the IPR from ICANN to the IETF Trust.
(2) IANA IPR License Agreement. This agreement allows for the IANA functions operator to use the IPR. The document available for public comment is a basic form that will be used to generate three license agreements, one each for the names, numbers, and protocol parameters IANA services. Items highlighted in yellow will vary by agreement and will be completed once the License Agreement is split into three. In each case the licensee is ICANN, with the ability established for ICANN to sublicense to PTI.
(3) IANA IPR Community Agreement. This agreement explains the rights and obligations of the IETF Trust and each operational community as regards the IPR.  

The IETF Trust, the operational communities, and ICANN hereby solicit feedback as to whether the draft agreements address the needs of the affected communities.

AFRINIC Communication



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From paulos at sdnp.org.mw  Wed Aug 31 01:48:25 2016
From: paulos at sdnp.org.mw (Dr Paulos Nyirenda)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 03:48:25 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
	Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
Message-ID: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>

On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Please read more about the NomCom announcement 
> at?https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en?

I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa region in this
ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.

I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in community
representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board representation.

I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to push for and
move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out for such
disparities.  

It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not because there were
no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to attract good
enough candidates from the rest of Africa?

Regards,

Paulos
======================
Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw





From olivierkouami at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 04:49:01 2016
From: olivierkouami at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?T2zDqXZpw6kgS291YW1p?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 05:49:01 +0100
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
 Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
In-Reply-To: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
Message-ID: <CAE0gvYCsWFcSQhT5HTcHCM12rwP3_2_Dz96Kwux5z4KmMOBoDQ@mail.gmail.com>

+1 @ Dr Nyirenda-Jere
Le 31 ao?t 2016 01:38, "Dr Paulos Nyirenda" <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> a ?crit :

> On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Please read more about the NomCom announcement
> > at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en
>
> I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
> region in this
> ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
>
> I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
> community
> representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
> representation.
>
> I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
> push for and
> move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
> for such
> disparities.
>
> It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
> because there were
> no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
> attract good
> enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
>
> Regards,
>
> Paulos
> ======================
> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> http://www.registrar.mw
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AfrICANN mailing list
> AfrICANN at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann
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From emailsignet at mailcan.com  Wed Aug 31 05:32:28 2016
From: emailsignet at mailcan.com (waudo siganga)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:32:28 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
 Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
In-Reply-To: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
Message-ID: <1472621548.4075758.711135449.1F12D6A7@webmail.messagingengine.com>


Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at least
one board member from the region. The rest are selected by respective
SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and methods. But you gave
a point which probably can only be addressed by reforming the nomcom.

W.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016, at 04:48 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Please read more about the NomCom announcement 
> > at?https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en?
> 
> I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
> region in this
> ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
> 
> I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
> community
> representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
> representation.
> 
> I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
> push for and
> move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
> for such
> disparities.  
> 
> It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
> because there were
> no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
> attract good
> enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paulos
> ======================
> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> http://www.registrar.mw
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AfrICANN mailing list
> AfrICANN at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann



From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com  Wed Aug 31 10:01:47 2016
From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:01:47 +0400
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
 Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
In-Reply-To: <57C696B5.27660.4AE2E60@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
 <1472621548.4075758.711135449.1F12D6A7@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <57C696B5.27660.4AE2E60@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>
Message-ID: <CAEhPqwoXTTkUy0T8Uzokp=y66LGXMMCf615yqMB-NT2VpXa7BA@mail.gmail.com>

This page explains the process rather well https://www.icann.org/nomcom2016

I particularly like this part:Candidate recommendations are encouraged
and can be submitted through an on-line form at
http://nomcom.icann.org/suggest
______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
twitter.com/lordmwesh




On 31 August 2016 at 12:35, Dr Paulos B Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2016 at 8:32, waudo siganga wrote:
>
>>
>> Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at least
>> one board member from the region. The rest are selected by respective
>> SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and methods.
>
> Correct on the "responsibility" but I was expecting the ICANN NomCom to be much better
> informed and act in a pragmatic manner, I expect much more from a NomCom that just
> satisfying a responsibility.
>
>> But you gave
>> a point which probably can only be addressed by reforming the nomcom.
>
> Agreed, then the NoCom should be reformed, if it does its job this way.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paulos
> ======================
> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> http://www.registrar.mw
>
>
>>
>> W.
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016, at 04:48 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda wrote:
>> > On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > Please read more about the NomCom announcement
>> > > at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en
>> >
>> > I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
>> > region in this
>> > ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
>> >
>> > I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
>> > community
>> > representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
>> > representation.
>> >
>> > I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
>> > push for and
>> > move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
>> > for such
>> > disparities.
>> >
>> > It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
>> > because there were
>> > no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
>> > attract good
>> > enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Paulos
>> > ======================
>> > Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>> > NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>> > http://www.registrar.mw
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > AfrICANN mailing list
>> > AfrICANN at afrinic.net
>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann
>>
>>
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From ali at hussein.me.ke  Wed Aug 31 10:43:43 2016
From: ali at hussein.me.ke (Ali Hussein)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:43:43 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
	Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
In-Reply-To: <CAEhPqwoXTTkUy0T8Uzokp=y66LGXMMCf615yqMB-NT2VpXa7BA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
 <1472621548.4075758.711135449.1F12D6A7@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <57C696B5.27660.4AE2E60@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>
 <CAEhPqwoXTTkUy0T8Uzokp=y66LGXMMCf615yqMB-NT2VpXa7BA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5BA31DE-E297-4358-989B-C7580CF71BF1@hussein.me.ke>

Mwendwa

Thanks for this. I think WE in Africa need to take more responsibility instead of blaming others..

#JustSaying

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 

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Sent from my iPad

> On 31 Aug 2016, at 1:01 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
> 
> This page explains the process rather well https://www.icann.org/nomcom2016
> 
> I particularly like this part:Candidate recommendations are encouraged
> and can be submitted through an on-line form at
> http://nomcom.icann.org/suggest
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 August 2016 at 12:35, Dr Paulos B Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
>>> On 31 Aug 2016 at 8:32, waudo siganga wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at least
>>> one board member from the region. The rest are selected by respective
>>> SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and methods.
>> 
>> Correct on the "responsibility" but I was expecting the ICANN NomCom to be much better
>> informed and act in a pragmatic manner, I expect much more from a NomCom that just
>> satisfying a responsibility.
>> 
>>> But you gave
>>> a point which probably can only be addressed by reforming the nomcom.
>> 
>> Agreed, then the NoCom should be reformed, if it does its job this way.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paulos
>> ======================
>> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>> http://www.registrar.mw
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> W.
>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016, at 04:48 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda wrote:
>>>>> On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please read more about the NomCom announcement
>>>>> at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en
>>>> 
>>>> I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
>>>> region in this
>>>> ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
>>>> 
>>>> I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
>>>> community
>>>> representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
>>>> representation.
>>>> 
>>>> I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
>>>> push for and
>>>> move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
>>>> for such
>>>> disparities.
>>>> 
>>>> It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
>>>> because there were
>>>> no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
>>>> attract good
>>>> enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Paulos
>>>> ======================
>>>> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>>>> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>>>> http://www.registrar.mw
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From ondouglas at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 11:39:52 2016
From: ondouglas at gmail.com (Douglas Onyango)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:39:52 +0300
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN
 2016 Nominating Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa
 distribution
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Hi Paulos,
While I agree that more diverse continental representation at ICANN would
be nice, I find your bashing of ICANN's Nomcom not warranted.

Nomcom's charge is to work in the best interest of the global Internet
community. As such, the diversity provisions they have are only to ensure
that at all times every geographical region is represented on the Board and
nothing more. Any intra-region representation/diversity you may expect is
not for Nomcom to deliver.

Further, your complaints about Nomcom can be construed as a vote of no
confidence on the new Board members' ability to adequately represent the
continent, which, again, I don't think is justified. While I appreciate
Africa's geographical diversity, I don't see any reason that could render
them incapable of representing the rest of the continent. On the contrary,
the nature of work and safeguards at ICANN won't afford them the
opportunity to advantage one part of the continent at the expense of
another even if they wanted to.

In the end, instead of pointing one fingure at Nomcom, we should remember
the four point at ourselves. This issue could have been resolved if we sent
more competent candidates from Malawi, Uganda and other countries. This is
what we should do in the future.

Regards,

On 31 August 2016 at 04:48, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:

> On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Please read more about the NomCom announcement
> > at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en
>
> I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
> region in this
> ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
>
> I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
> community
> representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
> representation.
>
> I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
> push for and
> move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
> for such
> disparities.
>
> It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
> because there were
> no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
> attract good
> enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
>
> Regards,
>
> Paulos
> ======================
> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> http://www.registrar.mw
>
>
>
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From silber.mike at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 12:50:09 2016
From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:50:09 +0200
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Paulos

> On 31 Aug 2016, at 14:38, Dr Paulos B Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
> 
> This does not reduce how glaringly 
> disparate the observed situation is and no one in this discussion is challenging the 
> observation.
> 

I will challenge that observation.

I suspect you are affirming the consequent, a logical fallacy that surprises me in an academic such as yourself.

Regards

Mike


From jwalu at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 31 13:05:16 2016
From: jwalu at yahoo.com (Walubengo J)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:05:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [SPAM] Re:
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@Mike,
As an academic, I might be suffering the same illusion as Paulos :-),
I think what he was saying is that the current board
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Is not diverse (should I dare say black?) enough?
My academic training seems to agree with this observation.
I remember my interest in ICANN was actually provoked by the days when Alice, Katim et al were on the board.
Without doubting the capability of the incoming members, it is important that Nomcom takes the issue racial diversity alot more seriously. ?After all, that is WHY ICANN is trying to be as 'international' as it can get. ?Why not begin at the top?
walu.

      From: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
 To: Dr Paulos B Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> 
Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net; members-discuss at afrinic.net; AfrICANN Community List <africann at afrinic.net>; aftld-members at aftld.org
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Paulos

> On 31 Aug 2016, at 14:38, Dr Paulos B Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
> 
> This does not reduce how glaringly 
> disparate the observed situation is and no one in this discussion is challenging the 
> observation.
> 

I will challenge that observation.

I suspect you are affirming the consequent, a logical fallacy that surprises me in an academic such as yourself.

Regards

Mike
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From silber.mike at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 13:27:25 2016
From: silber.mike at gmail.com (Mike Silber)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:27:25 +0200
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Hi John

A couple of observations 9in my own capacity of course):


> On 31 Aug 2016, at 15:05, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> @Mike,
> 
> As an academic, I might be suffering the same illusion as Paulos :-),
> 
> I think what he was saying is that the current board ...
> Is not diverse (should I dare say black?) enough?

Well, you are conflating black and African and assigning anyone on this continent who is not suitably pigmented to some scrap heap. Of course ignoring my pigmentary enhahnced colleagues on the board who do not originate from this continent and are therefor equally cast aside. So Africans who are not ?black enough? don?t count and people who are ?black enough? but are not ?African enough? don?t count either?

And if it is a question of ?blackness? then how do you test that? Or do we have to go back to the "pencil tests" employed by apartheid racists to determine blackness by seeing if a pencil inserted in the hair would stay (you are black) or fall out (you are white). For what it is worth, pencils stay in my hair.

I really think this is about to descend into the realm of the ridiculous.

> I remember my interest in ICANN was actually provoked by the days when Alice, Katim et al were on the board.
> 

Maybe you need to test your memory, Alice has not served on the ICANN board. I have fond memories of time served with Katim, but I think you do a disservice to Nii, Njeri, Mouhamet and Fadi.

I have been privileged to serve with many fine people on the board, many of whom amaze me with their knowledge, energy, dedication and contribution. At the same time there are many passengers (I hope I am not one). Origin is not an indicator of contribution and there are people from both groups from all of the regions.

Simply demanding more ?blackness? does a disservice to those Africans who have contributed at every level in all of the I* organisations. They are there because of their capability and contribution and not as decoration.

> Without doubting the capability of the incoming members, it is important that Nomcom takes the issue racial diversity alot more seriously.  After all, that is WHY ICANN is trying to be as 'international' as it can get.  Why not begin at the top?
> 


How easily had Fadi been forgotten? Or is the CEO not ?at the top? enough? Oh, that?s right - he was not ?black enough?. 

Find the right candidates and they will get there, on their own merits and not on some quota system or as window dressing to a more systemic issue.

Mike

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From jwalu at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 31 16:17:08 2016
From: jwalu at yahoo.com (Walubengo J)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:17:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [SPAM] Re:
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@Mike
I know it is a touchy subject but fortunately or unfortunately I stand by it.?
When ?I say it gives me a feeling of inclusivity (misplaced or otherwise) when we have ?representation form the 'heavily pigmented' :-) Board members at the ICANN board I do mean it. It does ?inspire some subconscious ?affilliation or belonging. It is an existing social construct that we may wish to pretend does not exist but unfortunately it does and ICANN can actually used positively to its advantage.
BUT this is not the same thing as saying 'non-heavily pigmented' Africans like you should be excluded from the board. ?It is a question of ?being sensitive to the diverse pigmentation spectrum that Africa offers and trying to balance that out where possible.
As Paulos notes in his final submission, if you try to do regional diversity within the African context you will get exactly to what I am saying in a more blunt way :-). ?I have had the opportunity to travel across Africa and for sure the North African or the South Africa (.za) experience is far from the Sub-saharan African experience.?
Ofcourse on the flip side, a heavily pigmented Malawian African rep on the ICANN board may cause similar reactions from the North African audience. They may not 'identify' with him or her. ?So it is not a call for removing anyone, but rather one of trying to include 'everyone' based on the African realities that obtain on the continent.
Nomcom should be sensitive to these subtle diversities going forward.
walu
NB: And you are right Alice was never on the ICANN board but on the GAC. And yes Njeri, Prof. Nii Q, Fadi were also there. But its Katim & Alice I interacted most with respect to ICANN i.e introduced me to ICANN, hence they quickly came to my typing fingers.
      From: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
 To: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> 
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Hi John
A couple of observations 9in my own capacity of course):


On 31 Aug 2016, at 15:05, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
@Mike,
As an academic, I might be suffering the same illusion as Paulos :-),
I think what he was saying is that the current board ...Is not diverse (should I dare say black?) enough?

Well, you are conflating black and African and assigning anyone on this continent who is not suitably pigmented to some scrap heap. Of course ignoring my pigmentary enhahnced colleagues on the board who do not originate from this continent and are therefor equally cast aside. So Africans who are not ?black enough? don?t count and people who are ?black enough? but are not ?African enough? don?t count either?
And if it is a question of ?blackness? then how do you test that? Or do we have to go back to the "pencil tests" employed by apartheid racists to determine blackness by seeing if a pencil inserted in the hair would stay (you are black) or fall out (you are white). For what it is worth, pencils stay in my hair.
I really think this is about to descend into the realm of the ridiculous.

I remember my interest in ICANN was actually provoked by the days when Alice, Katim et al were on the board.


Maybe you need to test your memory, Alice has not served on the ICANN board. I have fond memories of time served with Katim, but I think you do a disservice to Nii, Njeri, Mouhamet and Fadi.
I have been privileged to serve with many fine people on the board, many of whom amaze me with their knowledge, energy, dedication and contribution. At the same time there are many passengers (I hope I am not one). Origin is not an indicator of contribution and there are people from both groups from all of the regions.
Simply demanding more ?blackness? does a disservice to those Africans who have contributed at every level in all of the I* organisations. They are there because of their capability and contribution and not as decoration.

Without doubting the capability of the incoming members, it is important that Nomcom takes the issue racial diversity alot more seriously. ?After all, that is WHY ICANN is trying to be as 'international' as it can get. ?Why not begin at the top?


How easily had Fadi been forgotten? Or is the CEO not ?at the top? enough? Oh, that?s right - he was not ?black enough?.?
Find the right candidates and they will get there, on their own merits and not on some quota system or as window dressing to a more systemic issue.
Mike


   
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From paulos at sdnp.org.mw  Wed Aug 31 08:35:01 2016
From: paulos at sdnp.org.mw (Dr Paulos B Nyirenda)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:35:01 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
	Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
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On 31 Aug 2016 at 8:32, waudo siganga wrote:

> 
> Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at least
> one board member from the region. The rest are selected by respective
> SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and methods. 

Correct on the "responsibility" but I was expecting the ICANN NomCom to be much better 
informed and act in a pragmatic manner, I expect much more from a NomCom that just 
satisfying a responsibility.

> But you gave
> a point which probably can only be addressed by reforming the nomcom.

Agreed, then the NoCom should be reformed, if it does its job this way.

Regards,

Paulos
======================
Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw


> 
> W.
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016, at 04:48 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda wrote:
> > On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Please read more about the NomCom announcement 
> > > at?https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en?
> > 
> > I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
> > region in this
> > ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
> > 
> > I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
> > community
> > representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
> > representation.
> > 
> > I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
> > push for and
> > move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
> > for such
> > disparities.  
> > 
> > It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
> > because there were
> > no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
> > attract good
> > enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Paulos
> > ======================
> > Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> > NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> > http://www.registrar.mw
> > 
> > 
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From randy at psg.com  Wed Aug 31 09:21:46 2016
From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 18:21:46 +0900
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN
	2016 Nominating	Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate
	Africa distribution
In-Reply-To: <57C696B5.27660.4AE2E60@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
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>> Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at
>> least one board member from the region. The rest are selected by
>> respective SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and
>> methods.
> 
> Correct on the "responsibility" but I was expecting the ICANN NomCom
> to be much better informed and act in a pragmatic manner, I expect
> much more from a NomCom that just satisfying a responsibility.

and, i gather, you think that northern africans are not capable of being
informed and pragmatic?

randy



From paulos at sdnp.org.mw  Wed Aug 31 09:27:40 2016
From: paulos at sdnp.org.mw (Dr Paulos B Nyirenda)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:27:40 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN
	2016 Nominating Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate
	Africa distribution
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 <57C696B5.27660.4AE2E60@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>, <m2bn09thsl.wl-randy@psg.com>
Message-ID: <57C6A30C.3568.4DE616C@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>

On 31 Aug 2016 at 18:21, Randy Bush wrote:

> >> Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at
> >> least one board member from the region. The rest are selected by
> >> respective SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and
> >> methods.
> > 
> > Correct on the "responsibility" but I was expecting the ICANN NomCom
> > to be much better informed and act in a pragmatic manner, I expect
> > much more from a NomCom that just satisfying a responsibility.
> 
> and, i gather, you think that northern africans are not capable of being
> informed and pragmatic?

Then why not just put in the Euorpeans etc in these positions if that is the case?

Regards,

Paulos
======================
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NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw


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> randy
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From randy at psg.com  Wed Aug 31 10:07:02 2016
From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:07:02 +0900
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN
	2016 Nominating Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate
	Africa distribution
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>>>> Paulos - the nomcom only has responsibility to ensure there is at
>>>> least one board member from the region. The rest are selected by
>>>> respective SOs/ACs that have their one selection policies and
>>>> methods.
>>> 
>>> Correct on the "responsibility" but I was expecting the ICANN NomCom
>>> to be much better informed and act in a pragmatic manner, I expect
>>> much more from a NomCom that just satisfying a responsibility.
>> 
>> and, i gather, you think that northern africans are not capable of being
>> informed and pragmatic?
> 
> Then why not just put in the Euorpeans etc in these positions if that
> is the case?

just so it's not the brits, who have recently demonstrated that are
neither informed or pragmatic.  but martians, i want martians! :)

but there are appointed nomcom members.  you are objecting to them,
saying they are not capable of being informed and pragmatic.  please
justify that attack or withdraw it.

personally, i would have liked to see a wider dispersion.  but this does
not induce to accusing those chosen of bias and incompetence.

randy



From pileleji at ymca.gm  Wed Aug 31 11:56:40 2016
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:56:40 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] [members-discuss] ICANN
 2016 Nominating Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa
 distribution
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Douglas +1

On 31 August 2016 at 11:39, Douglas Onyango <ondouglas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Paulos,
> While I agree that more diverse continental representation at ICANN would
> be nice, I find your bashing of ICANN's Nomcom not warranted.
>
> Nomcom's charge is to work in the best interest of the global Internet
> community. As such, the diversity provisions they have are only to ensure
> that at all times every geographical region is represented on the Board and
> nothing more. Any intra-region representation/diversity you may expect is
> not for Nomcom to deliver.
>
> Further, your complaints about Nomcom can be construed as a vote of no
> confidence on the new Board members' ability to adequately represent the
> continent, which, again, I don't think is justified. While I appreciate
> Africa's geographical diversity, I don't see any reason that could render
> them incapable of representing the rest of the continent. On the contrary,
> the nature of work and safeguards at ICANN won't afford them the
> opportunity to advantage one part of the continent at the expense of
> another even if they wanted to.
>
> In the end, instead of pointing one fingure at Nomcom, we should remember
> the four point at ourselves. This issue could have been resolved if we sent
> more competent candidates from Malawi, Uganda and other countries. This is
> what we should do in the future.
>
> Regards,
>
> On 31 August 2016 at 04:48, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
>
>> On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Please read more about the NomCom announcement
>> > at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en
>>
>> I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa
>> region in this
>> ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
>>
>> I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in
>> community
>> representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board
>> representation.
>>
>> I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to
>> push for and
>> move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out
>> for such
>> disparities.
>>
>> It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not
>> because there were
>> no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to
>> attract good
>> enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Paulos
>> ======================
>> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>> http://www.registrar.mw
>>
>>
>>
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From michele at blacknight.com  Wed Aug 31 12:26:14 2016
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:26:14 +0000
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating
 Committee Announces Selections - unfortunate Africa distribution
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References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>
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Paulos

Unless you can prove that the NomCom didn?t pick eligible qualified candidates from the region who applied I don?t understand what you are complaining about.

You should be congratulating the candidates who were selected instead of trying to find issues with the selection.

Regards

Michele


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On 31/08/2016, 02:48, "Dr Paulos Nyirenda" <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:

    On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
    
    > Hi all,
    > 
    > Please read more about the NomCom announcement 
    > at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en 
    
    I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa region in this
    ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
    
    I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in community
    representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board representation.
    
    I do not blame this on North Africa,  the rest of Africa simply needs to push for and
    move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out for such
    disparities.  
    
    It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not because there were
    no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to attract good
    enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
    
    Regards,
    
    Paulos
    ======================
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    NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
    http://www.registrar.mw
    
    
    
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From paulos at sdnp.org.mw  Wed Aug 31 12:38:19 2016
From: paulos at sdnp.org.mw (Dr Paulos B Nyirenda)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:38:19 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [SPAM] Re: [members-discuss]
	[AfrICANN-discuss] ICANN 2016 Nominating Committee Announces
	Selections - unfortunate Africa d
In-Reply-To: <CAKWXZPb5xdtUof0wGLdLKfxOpQbu1znGTrGwMoXvS+YB1UEAmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>,
 <CAKWXZPb5xdtUof0wGLdLKfxOpQbu1znGTrGwMoXvS+YB1UEAmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57C6CFBB.27424.58CEED9@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>

On 31 Aug 2016 at 14:39, Douglas Onyango wrote:
 
> Hi Paulos, 
> While I agree that more diverse continental representation at ICANN would be nice, I find your 
> bashing of ICANN's Nomcom not warranted.?

Thank you for agreeing with the observation that I have made and for your suggestions below 
for improving diversity.

On the NomCom all I am saying is that, and others have already agreed, that they are the 
ones who open up the process, conduct the process and then make the final selections. If 
you agree with the observation as above then definitely there is a role that NomCom can play 
- or - should play

Those of us in the community where the "four fingers" are pointing also have a role to play 
such as in generating more suitable and more diverse candidates that NomCom can work 
on, I do not dispute that and I have already said that. This does not reduce how glaringly 
disparate the observed situation is and no one in this discussion is challenging the 
observation.

Regards,

Paulos
======================
Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw


> Nomcom's charge is to work in the best interest of the global Internet community. As such, the 
> diversity provisions they have are only to ensure that at all times every geographical region is 
> represented on the Board and nothing more. Any intra-region representation/diversity you may 
> expect is not for Nomcom to deliver.
> 
> Further, your complaints about Nomcom can be construed as a vote of no confidence on the new 
> Board members' ability to adequately represent the continent, which, again, I don't think is 
> justified. While I appreciate Africa's geographical diversity, I don't see any reason that could 
> render them incapable of representing the rest of the continent. On the contrary, the nature of 
> work and safeguards at ICANN won't afford them the opportunity to advantage one part of the 
> continent at the expense of another even if they wanted to.
> 
> In the end, instead of pointing one fingure at Nomcom, we should remember the four point at 
> ourselves. This issue could have been resolved if we sent more competent candidates from 
> Malawi, Uganda and other countries. This is what we should do in the future.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> On 31 August 2016 at 04:48, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
>     On 30 Aug 2016 at 15:50, Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
>     
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > Please read more about the NomCom announcement
>     > at?https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-08-29-en?
>     
>     I see it as unfortunate that both ICANN board members from the Africa region in this
>     ICANN NomCom selection come from North Africa.
>     
>     I see it as loss of geographic diversity as well as loss of diversity in community
>     representation in this selection and in the resulting ICANN Board representation.
>     
>     I do not blame this on North Africa,? the rest of Africa simply needs to push for and
>     move forward into occupying such positions and NomCom needs to look out for such
>     disparities.
>     
>     It is my hope that this unfortunate ICANN Board distribution is not because there were
>     no good applicants from the rest of Africa, did the ICANN NomCom fail to attract good
>     enough candidates from the rest of Africa?
>     
>     Regards,
>     
>     Paulos
>     ======================
>     Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>     NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>     http://www.registrar.mw
>     
>     
>     
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>     Members-Discuss at afrinic.net
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> 
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From paulos at sdnp.org.mw  Wed Aug 31 14:48:55 2016
From: paulos at sdnp.org.mw (Dr Paulos B Nyirenda)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:48:55 +0200
Subject: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Re: [AfrICANN-discuss]
	ICANN 2016 Nominating Committee Announces Selections -
	unfortunate Africa d
In-Reply-To: <9CDC129D-7020-414D-B360-9FA492126B5C@gmail.com>
References: <20160831014315.M39128@sdnp.org.mw>,
 <941811040.2741941.1472648716989@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <9CDC129D-7020-414D-B360-9FA492126B5C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57C6EE57.12428.6047EF1@paulos.sdnp.org.mw>


Walu, Mike,

Although racial diversity is a well recognised form of diversity, academically or otherwise, that 
is not the lever that I want to go down to in this case for ICANN Board Members, I am talking 
about regional diversity as defined in the ICANN system as well as in our own Africa Region 
Internet institutions

I am not instigating for a quota other than what is already in the bylaws BUT I am asking for 
some reasonablenes in aclaimed ICANN diversity which  I do not see in the current NomCom 
selection, that is the observation that I am making.

So, like Walu, I am partly attracted to the ICANN system partly because it tries to be 
adequately representative on the global scene, all I am saying is that that good quality seems 
to have been missed here.

Now that I have made my point, I need to go do other equally or more pressing things.

Regards,

Paulos
======================
Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw


On 31 Aug 2016 at 15:27, Mike Silber wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> A couple of observations 9in my own capacity of course):
> 
> 
>     On 31 Aug 2016, at 15:05, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com > wrote:
> 
>     @Mike,
> 
>     As an academic, I might be suffering the same illusion as Paulos :-),
> 
>     I think what he was saying is that the current board ...
>     Is not diverse (should I dare say black?) enough?
> 
> Well, you are conflating black and African and assigning anyone on this continent who is not 
> suitably pigmented to some scrap heap. Of course ignoring my pigmentary enhahnced colleagues 
> on the board who do not originate from this continent and are therefor equally cast aside. So 
> Africans who are not "black enough" don?t count and people who are "black enough" but are not 
> "African enough" don?t count either?
> 
> And if it is a question of "blackness" then how do you test that? Or do we have to go back to the 
> "pencil tests" employed by apartheid racists to determine blackness by seeing if a pencil inserted 
> in the hair would stay (you are black) or fall out (you are white). For what it is worth, pencils stay in 
> my hair.
> 
> I really think this is about to descend into the realm of the ridiculous.
> 
>     I remember my interest in ICANN was actually provoked by the days when 
>     Alice, Katim et al were on the board.
> 
> 
> Maybe you need to test your memory, Alice has not served on the ICANN board. I have fond 
> memories of time served with Katim, but I think you do a disservice to Nii, Njeri, Mouhamet and 
> Fadi.
> 
> I have been privileged to serve with many fine people on the board, many of whom amaze me 
> with their knowledge, energy, dedication and contribution. At the same time there are many 
> passengers (I hope I am not one). Origin is not an indicator of contribution and there are people 
> from both groups from all of the regions.
> 
> Simply demanding more "blackness" does a disservice to those Africans who have contributed at 
> every level in all of the I* organisations. They are there because of their capability and contribution 
> and not as decoration.
> 
>     Without doubting the capability of the incoming members, it is important that 
>     Nomcom takes the issue racial diversity alot more seriously. ?After all, that is 
>     WHY ICANN is trying to be as 'international' as it can get. ?Why not begin at 
>     the top?
> 
> 
> How easily had Fadi been forgotten? Or is the CEO not "at the top" enough? Oh, that?s right - he 
> was not "black enough".?
> 
> Find the right candidates and they will get there, on their own merits and not on some quota 
> system or as window dressing to a more systemic issue.
> 
> Mike
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