[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Let's Move Forward (Was Re: AFRINIC Update 23rd November 2015)

Tue Nov 24 16:00:15 UTC 2015

+1
the world is indeed watching us...and thinking... 'Only in Africa'. 
That a past chair, a current chair, and a current board member can chose to publicly read from different scripts. 
But then again, we are indeed a continent of firsts. The first homo sapiens, the first civilisation(Egyptian?) and not so proudly the first Ebola cases...
Not quite sure which category of firsts is currently unfolding :-)
walu.
      From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
 To: Sunday Folayan <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net> 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 3:54 PM
 Subject: [members-discuss] Let's Move Forward (Was Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd November 2015)

Hello members and community,

A lot has been said around the discussions on the upcoming SGMM and some do not honour our common organisation 
Please let us take steps to resolve the issues, while moving forward in a positive and strong format. The world is watching and we have no right to fail

2005-2015, AFRINIC is celebrating 10 years anniversary, a long journey. It is time for us to show goodwill and good plans for a united future
Let's move forward constructively 
Best wishes in PNNii

On Nov 24, 2015, at 09:06, Sunday Folayan <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net> wrote:

Dear Christian,

 Please do not miss the point being made.

 I took over as Chair in November 2014. That is just 2 months to the end of 2014. I am responsible for the 2014 Audited Accounts no passing the buck. I took the flak and heat in Tunis, and with dignity, without reminding anyone that I was just chair for 2 months. Does that make sense now?

 Rewind way back to 2012. Badru took over as Chair in August 2012. He should take responsibility for 2012 and 2013, and not pass it. 

 I will ignore the other usual innuendoes regarding Board vs Community.

 Cheers.

 Sunday.

 On 24/11/2015 01:29, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote:

 Dear all,

I honestly think we should let the debate be open and transparent for the
interest and the development of the organization. Furthermore I do not
think the Board should not target single member of the community related to
his view and opinion which could be different.

I have seen a lot of contribution from different members of communities
which I really appreciate in order to improve what need to be improve
"there will be always room for improvement. I do thing the Board should
accept others view and critics not targeting specific member.

Finally I will advocate a respectful  open debate professional.

Speaking on my own capacity

Regards
On 24 Nov 2015 6:26 am, "Sunday Folayan" <sunday.folayan at afrinic.net> wrote:

 Dear Badru,

AFRINIC History is not hidden and should not be craftily re-written in
emails such as these.

You were elected to the Board in May 2012 during AFRINIC-16 at Banjul.
http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/735-afrinic-elects-new-board-members

You were elected Chair of the Board in August 2012.
http://afrinic.net/en/library/news/307-main-news-page

The Board met f2f under your watch at AFRINIC-17 in November 2012 in
Khartoum, Sudan. You did not inherit any budget.
https://www.afrinic.net/images/doc/board_resolutions_2013.pdf

The AGMM in Lusaka was during AFRINIC-18 in June 2013. You had chaired
the Board for a whole year.
https://www.afrinic.net/images/images/agmm_nom_210613_2.pdf  The second
to the last paragraph on page 3 should remind you.

The AGMM in Djibouti at AfriNIC-20 in June 2014 was your second year
running as Chair.

You handed over to me during AfriNIC-21 at Mauritius in November 2014.

You left the Board in June 2015 at AfriNIC-22 in Tunis, less that 6
months ago, after being Chair for over Two years and three months.

I have now Chaired the Board for exactly one Year.

I still accept responsibility for your diagnosis of the pathetic level
of mediocrity in the current Board, the above is just to set the records
straight.

Cheers.

SF.

On 23/11/2015 21:08, Badru Ntege wrote:

 Saul

You obviously have a limited understanding of the history. Lusaka was my

 first board and the results being reported were for a budget I inherited.
For decisions made by a previous board with the best of intentions.

 If you read clearly my emails which I'm sure you have not you will see

 that half if not the majority of your email with all due respect is
baseless.

 I will thus not continue on personalisation since I do not recall any

 personalisation.  Please go back and read all the emails very slowly. I
have utmost respect for the individuals but does not mean you cannot point
out what is wrong.

 Your email is exactly the problem. Afrinic does not belong to any of us

 we will come and go and others will continue but when you think you cannot
separate individual from the roles they do then we end up accepting
everything for fear of hurting people's feelings.

 Just take your time and read all the emails please the comment.

Badru Ntege
CEO
NFT Consult Ltd
Www..Nftconsult.com

“Vision without execution is hallucination.”
― Thomas A. Edison

 On 23 Nov 2015, at 10:35 pm, Saul <saul at enetworks.co.za> wrote:

Badru, I can no longer refrain from commenting at your constant

 berating,

 non-constructive posts, waste of bandwidth, time and being critical of

 the

 board, community and its processes - something that you were in charge

 of

 until just short of a year ago and then still on the board until the

 last

 elections (6 months ago)- so this is something that you are very
responsible for.

You are constantly making accusations against members of the board in

 this

 public forum and with non-public knowledge and then plead NDA when asked
for fact to backup your allegations.

You are now alluding to your prowess at running a multi million dollar
company, I refer you back to the Lusaka AGMM where AFRINIC, under your
leadership ran at a loss and the financials were late. When questioned
about what you were going to do to rectify the issue, the response was,

 we

 don't need to do anything different. Funny thing those financials have
always been a sticky point recently...

maybe where there is smoke there is fire, so let's stop this non-sense,
we're IT people, like logs, facts don't lie, so lets get these current,
correctly  audited financials and see what status AFRINIC has been left
in.

I am not interested in a slinging match, so lets keep the mails on this
list factual and constructive

Saul

-----Original Message-----
From: Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com]
Sent: 23 November 2015 05:01 PM
To: Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinicnet>;
AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC Update 23rd
November 2015

Hi Randy

On 11/23/15, 5:17 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> wrote:

 :-) its because the packets are moving fantastically well, need to
get the layer 9 to the same level.

 never happen.  layer nine involves all us overevolved funny monkeys.

but, as one of the folk who helped get into the current hole,

 Another valid purely subjective view.  One would have to understand all
the dynamics but that would be very difficult in a world of limited
transparency thus your subjective view is based on the pre-edited
information that you have access to.

So if one really understands the causes as opposed to gueses based on a
particular agenda we could be having additive discussions.  My emails

 try

 to be additive but if you look at the responses from the executive they
never dissapoint at dragging the dialogue down. They have earned a

 record

 for consistency.

 i am
always interested in your constructive suggestions on how to get out.

 Thank you. Just like many others I have a vested interest in the good of
the community and will try my best.

 i am not sure niggling about micro-timing of reports is attacking the
roots of the problem.

 On the contrary it is the root of the problem. It all starts from the

 lack

 of order and dedication.  We leave in a world of last minute delivery.

 (on

 this one trust me I know.)  So we are ticking boxes without focusing on
the core.

 otoh, i do look forward to a thorough audit, governance committee,
etc.

 We all do.  I hope your patience has the resilience needed for the

 current

 modus operandus.

 i am patient and i trust the current
executive.

randy

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