[afrinic-anti-spam-discuss] Re: [afnog] UCEPROTECT-Network
Level 3
GOGWIM, JOEL GODWIN
gogwim at unijos.edu.ng
Wed Jul 25 09:35:28 SAST 2007
This is a huge task to be taken Alain, but I support your move. It is huge
but is achievable, so we must start somewhere.
On Tue, July 24, 2007 7:38 pm, Alain Patrick AINA said:
>
>
> i expect that this kind of situation clear our mind on what we have to do
> here.
>
> exchanging experience is one thing , but there are more to do.
>
> can this thread acts as starter ?
>
>
> --alain
>
> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 10:56:35 am Frank Habicht wrote:
>> On 7/24/2007 11:22 AM, S. Oduor wrote:
>> >> there is no net police agency, sorry. and afrinic is not the police
>> >> agency which does not exist.
>> >
>> > I dont mean to put afrinic on Internet Police level, but I think they
>> are
>> > better placed than me since I dont own the whole netblock of
>> > 196.207.0.0/16, there lots of folks with smaller subnets on this
>> netblock
>> > suffering Probably some of them are on this list, having one
>> > representation from a bigger entity like afrinic will as a matter of
>> > fact get things moving & we will be focused on other errands trying to
>> > make the internet efficient.
>> >
>> > Besides I think this is a good forum to brain storm on best ways to
>> > combat this kind Crime Perpetrated by UCEPROTECT & many other RBL's
>> that
>> > deflect genuine emails not spams, to me this is no big difference from
>> > hacking or abuse of high level resulting to loss, I already got lots
>> of
>> > rejected mails from my customers affecting their businesses you might
>> > never really know the extent of the damage its impacts are far
>> reaching
>> > when a legit email bounces . One day someone will really think of
>> what
>> > he has done or not done to ensure he is protected by a net police
>> agency
>> > ? the wisdom & influence to get one operational now is really you
>> choice.
>> >
>> >> contact the folk at whoever is being what you think is mean to your
>> >> packets. nothing else will help you no matter how loudly you scream;
>> in
>> >> fact, screaming reduces one's credibility in the long term.
>> >
>> > Before screaming I normally prefer mature ways of sorting out a main
>> > problem and this really does help many at times. If you literally
>> happen
>> > to step on my toe I would tell you to step off while holding back my
>> > breath and if it jst happens that I scream am either about to give up
>> or
>> > do something that will ensure I am free from the pain (human nature),
>> I
>> > will try not to scream cauze some good folks are already assisting me
>> &
>> > hope someone who is silently suffering will take up his
>> responsibility. I
>> > hope their provider was here to drop their AS to ensure that RBL is
>> not
>> > reachable.
>> >
>> > UCEPROTECT is demanding 250 Euro payment which I maintain grounds is
>> > stealing either knowingly or unknowingly.
>> >
>> > Their is an Auto whitelist of 7 Days that we can bet is not going to
>> > happen on a block of /16 thats on level 3 owned by different
>> > Organisations, I have been trying to sort this for months now and
>> through
>> > my search I subscribed to AFNOG cauze I trust it has experienced chaps
>> > who have been sorting out internet related problems for ages than
>> > brushing them off in a clever way.
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Now we have at AfriNIC a AnitSpam Bof/SIG/WG/.... (which I'm part
>> of...)
>>
>> This probably means that there is something AfriNIC can (should?) do.
>> Not talking about policing.
>>
>> I agree it is "wrong" what this particular RBL is doing.
>> We can and I believe should be talking and reasoning with them (educate
>> them) - and I believe Bill Woodcock did.
>> If they won't listen, we could publicly name&shame them....
>> you could also take the list of failing destination addresses (those
>> mail domains using the rbl) and tell postmaster@<domain> how bad that
>> rbl is...?
>>
>> This is one thing.
>>
>> We could also (at the same time) look at
>> $ grep 196.207. delegated-afrinic-20070716
>> afrinic|NG|ipv4|196.207.0.0|4096|20050309|allocated
>> afrinic|KE|ipv4|196.207.16.0|4096|20050530|allocated
>> afrinic|ZA|ipv4|196.207.32.0|4096|20050309|assigned
>> afrinic|MU|ipv4|196.207.48.0|4096|20050903|allocated
>> afrinic|NG|ipv4|196.207.128.0|16384|20050118|allocated
>> afrinic|SN|ipv4|196.207.192.0|16384|20050203|allocated
>>
>> run whois and talk to our colleagues. avoid the spam.
>> adapt/read/develop/copy&paste some best current practices ...
>> sorry - and implement!
>> get the antispam wg/sig working (i take ~5% of the blame ;-)
>>
>> So i see some place in the "coordination of efforts" and the education
>> where AfriNIC can play a role.
>> And I'm all in favour of this being bottom-up !
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Frank
>> (who should be busy with something else...)
>>
>> PS: Now how do i make this email sendable (acceptable) ?
>> use sender address geier-lists-afrinic-antispam at afrinic.net to
>> submit to the afrinic mailing list
>> or use address geier-lists-afnog at afnog.org to submit to afnog ?
>> or think about receiving recipes and get all list traffic in on one
>> address ...?
>>
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