<p dir="ltr">Akinremi Peter well on point!</p>
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From: Fernando Gont <<a href="mailto:fgont@si6networks.com">fgont@si6networks.com</a>><br>
To: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] IPv6 Security for IPv4 Engineers<br>
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Folks,<br>
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It is often argued that IPv4 practices should be forgotten when<br>
deploying IPv6, as after all IPv6 is a different protocol! But we think<br>
years of IPv4 operational experience should be leveraged as much as<br>
possible.<br>
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So we are publishing IPv6 Security for IPv4 Engineers as a roadmap to<br>
IPv6 security that is specifically aimed at IPv4 engineers and operators.<br>
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Rather than describing IPv6 in an isolated manner, it aims to re-use as<br>
much of the existing IPv4 knowledge and experience as possible, by<br>
highlighting the security issues that affect both protocols in the same<br>
manner, and those that are new or different for the IPv6 protocol suite.<br>
Additionally, it discusses the security implications arising from the<br>
co-existence of the IPv6 and IPv4 protocols.<br>
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The document is available at:<br>
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<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/deploy360/ipv6/security/ipv4-engineers" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/resources/deploy360/ipv6/<wbr>security/ipv4-engineers</a><br>
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Thanks!<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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From: Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] AfrIPv6-Discuss Digest, Vol 146, Issue<br>
12 - migrating to IPv6 (Kolawole Adewale)<br>
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I quite agree with you Kolawole that more awareness of IPv6 is needed. But<br>
thinking from a business perspective, awareness wouldn't really matter if<br>
old technology is working and still given a satisfactory results. I<br>
probably believe that it is TIME that would determine the rate of IPv6<br>
adoption.<br>
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Regards.<br>
Peter<br>
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM kolawole Adewale <<a href="mailto:harnthny@gmail.com">harnthny@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> More awareness still needs to be done in the areas of benfits. I feel tech<br>
> operators in Africa, especially (medium ones)feel reluctant to migrate to<br>
> IPv6 because of their lack of awareness the IPv6 brings.<br>
> Kudos to AFRINIC on thier efforts.<br>
> On 6 Dec 2018 7:48 pm, <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss-request@<wbr>afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
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> > Today's Topics:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. Re: Finding solutions to things that stop people moving to<br>
> > IPv6 (Noureddine IDBOUFKER)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> ><br>
> > Message: 1<br>
> > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:47:25 +0000 (UTC)<br>
> > From: Noureddine IDBOUFKER <<a href="mailto:n_idboufker@yahoo.fr">n_idboufker@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop<br>
> > people moving to IPv6<br>
> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:152027882.5323643.1544122045102@mail.yahoo.com">152027882.5323643.<wbr>1544122045102@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
> ><br>
> > Sure there are many opportunities behind Transition to IPv6 but<br>
> unfortunately, for African Operators in each country, there is also a risk.<br>
> Every day elapsed before this transition moves them towards a very risky<br>
> situation. I talk about Business and also technical risks. Unfortunately,<br>
> the majority of operators has an urgency mindset.??I am really convinced<br>
> that in order to encourage them to transit to IPv6, African Communities has<br>
> to focus on risks and the urgency aspect of the transition. For example<br>
> leading studies in order to produce a kind of SWOT Matrix, adapted to the<br>
> African context, establishing Strengths, Weaknesses, Threats and<br>
> Opportunities.<br>
> > Regards-----------------------<wbr>------------------------<br>
> > Noureddine IDBOUFKERhttps://<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/idboufkernoureddine/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/idboufkernoureddine/</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Le jeudi 6 d?cembre 2018 ? 15:51:06 UTC+1, Lee Howard <<br>
> <a href="mailto:lee.howard@retevia.net">lee.howard@retevia.net</a>> a ?crit :<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 12/6/18 5:22 AM, Noureddine IDBOUFKER via AfrIPv6-Discuss wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I think that Top management is not enough aware of business<br>
> opportunities behind IPv6 migration.? Sure IPv6 will give them the<br>
> opportunity to address a high number of objects, equipements,<br>
> services,....? but it is not limited to that. Top management has to<br>
> encourage their people to be express their innovation capabilities in a<br>
> such a way to contribute to the developpement of Value Added Services.?<br>
> Providers who will not propose new competitive service catalogue will<br>
> simply die in globalized world. Top management has to know hat IPv6 is a<br>
> real pillar of IT governance.<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree with that. I have several presentations on business reasons for<br>
> IPv6, which I imagine overlap with AFRINIC's IPv6 for Executives training:<br>
> ><br>
> > - Not running out of addresses, so you can keep adding customers<br>
> > - Faster [1]<br>
> ><br>
> > - Because it's faster, Google page rank is higher; more customers see<br>
> your web site<br>
> ><br>
> > - Because it's faster, users spend more time on the page; more ad<br>
> revenue<br>
> ><br>
> > - IPv6 is on by default; may present security risks if not secured<br>
> > - Use addresses to identify services; easier policy routing, ACLs,<br>
> security, troubleshooting, etc.<br>
> > - New diagnostic tools PDM [rfc8250] and maybe M-PDM<br>
> [draft-fear-ippm-mpdm]<br>
> > - Simpler container networking [2]<br>
> ><br>
> > - Segment Routing with IPv6: no MPLS/LDP/RSVP-TE/NSH, it's all just<br>
> IP. [3]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The last few are cutting-edge developments that are not widely available<br>
> yet, but are examples of innovations enabled by IPv6. I didn't even list<br>
> "It's not NAT" because you're likely to use some kind of address sharing to<br>
> reach legacy IPv4 sites, but that need declines as others deploy, and it<br>
> may be cheaper than NAT44.<br>
> ><br>
> > IPv6 is cool.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Lee<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > [1] <a href="https://stats.labs.apnic.net/v6perf/XB" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stats.labs.apnic.net/<wbr>v6perf/XB</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > [2] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF50OxZ5u4o" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=eF50OxZ5u4o</a><br>
> ><br>
> > [3] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUN68P6UAn0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=ZUN68P6UAn0</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards?<br>
> > ------------------------------<wbr>-----------------<br>
> > Noureddine IDBOUFKER<br>
> ><br>
> > Le jeudi 6 d?cembre 2018 ? 10:57:24 UTC+1, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<br>
> via AfrIPv6-Discuss <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> a ?crit :<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Operators are informed, if you speak about ?engineers?, the problem is<br>
> to inform the CEOs of operator AND the CEOs of important companies in each<br>
> country (financial sectors, companies that export or have relevant web<br>
> sites, etc.).<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > I recall ARIN did sent a letter to them (in their region) a few years<br>
> ago.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Jordi<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > De: Pascal ANDRIANISA <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>><br>
> > Responder a: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> > Fecha: jueves, 6 de diciembre de 2018, 10:47<br>
> > Para: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> > Asunto: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop<br>
> people moving to IPv6<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> > Dear All,<br>
> ><br>
> > I think there is also another solution which is to inform the operators<br>
> in each country of the situation because if only the members who will apply<br>
> IPv6 it will not be possible to use it optimally.<br>
> > I do not know if a provision to that effect has already been taken but I<br>
> think that all the members are aware of the situation.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best regard, Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA<br>
> > Webmaster i RENALA<br>
> > Research and Education Network for Academic and Learning Activities -<br>
> <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.irenala.edu.mg/</a><br>
> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche<br>
> Scientifique - Fiadanana<br>
> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 |? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29 ? De: "Mukom<br>
> Akong T." <<a href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > ?: "IPv6 in Africa" <<a href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> > Envoy?: Jeudi 6 D?cembre 2018 06:41:29<br>
> > Objet: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop<br>
> people moving to IPv6 ?<br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Consumers are unaware of IPv6, so it's not part of their buying<br>
> decision. If something doesn't make consumer buy boxes, vendors don't do<br>
> it. I do not think consumer education about IP is a good idea.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Neither do I. Consumers don't DIRECTLY care about IP (whether v4 or v6).<br>
> But they do care about other features that may be only possible (or easier,<br>
> or cheaper) with v6.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > This is one place where I see the role of governments. In the interest<br>
> of national development, just ban importation and sale of legacy equipment.<br>
> Similar to what is already done with type approval in telecommunications<br>
> today.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > ISPs buying cheap boxes and not paying anything for support, so they<br>
> can't get upgrades.<br>
> > > Foreign ISPs dumping volumes of used CPE, which get resold at deep<br>
> discounts.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I've been screaming about this for years. Even worse, some of it is<br>
> going to be "sold" as "next generation Internet aid or technical<br>
> corporation") which further cripples IPv6 deployment.<br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Something that has worked for some companies is an "ISP Certified"<br>
> sticker. CPE vendors could apply to an ISP, and pay the costs of testing.<br>
> If the tests complied with the ISP's requirements, which might include MAP,<br>
> lw4o6, or 464xlat support, the vendor is allowed to put a sticker on their<br>
> box saying, "This device certified for use with $ISP." There might be a<br>
> business opportunity for someone who can set up a really good CPE testing<br>
> lab, so ISPs could outsource their testing and certification.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > In addition, I believe that with two days of training (regulators and<br>
> customs) and the appropriate infrastructure and a PROCESS, we can help a<br>
> government implement type approval for IPv6. Any regulator that wishes to<br>
> do this should reach out and join the waiting list by taking the Government<br>
> IPv6 Readiness Self Assessment at ?<br>
> ><br>
> > ENGLISH ? <a href="https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vox.afrinic.net/<wbr>465923?lang=en</a><br>
> > FRENCH ? ?<a href="https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=fr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vox.afrinic.net/<wbr>465923?lang=fr</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > For years I have been an IPv6 advocate ? and I still am ? and I?ve<br>
> actively deployed and run IPv6 in production supplying it to the end user,<br>
> with multiple percentage point changes in country IPv6 penetration<br>
> statistics as a result, but I am fast realizing that if we want IPv6 to<br>
> grow and thrive ? it?s time we started being a little more open and honest<br>
> about the challenges and problems with it ? instead of sprouting off that<br>
> everyone should just move to it. ? Let?s acknowledge that IPv6 is critical,<br>
> we have no option, but it is also deeply flawed, has major problems, and<br>
> until start dealing with those ? we will see deployment continue to stutter<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I agree with the above. The solution is not just another open<br>
> "discussion" where people who have not even started any kind of deployment,<br>
> or even have a fair idea of what percentage of equipment might or might not<br>
> be v6 ready go on an on about problems they've only heard about.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Should we have a round table discussion at AIS? How can we identify<br>
> and make progress on resolving issues with IPv6?<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps we can start with a mailing list thread of SPECIFIC issues<br>
> people have encountered while attempting a deployment on this mailing list,<br>
> then build up to a webinar or discussion at AIS.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > There are probably about 400million users using IPv6 today and growing,<br>
> someone somewhere has solved those problems.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > The common theme in my answers above is that more people running IPv6<br>
> provides more weight in solving problems. If everyone would take a couple<br>
> of hours to do three things, we'd have a very broad base of common<br>
> experience to draw from:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 1. Write an address plan. Don't worry if it takes several revisions,<br>
> that's normal.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 2. Apply to Afrinic for IPv6 addresses.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 3. Announce the IPv6 addresses and route them on your backbone.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > These are things that we've helped operators implement in 1 day at our<br>
> deployathons (or 6 two hour sessions during helpdesk calls). It's<br>
> surprising how many operators need help with their address planning. Which<br>
> is why not only do we teach them how to determine how much space they get,<br>
> but also how to implement them in an IPAM.? For those interested, a video<br>
> of a highly attended and rated AFRINIC webinar can be found at<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Step by step walk-through of address planning best practices and<br>
> implementation in an IPAM ---- no maths!<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > AFRINIC's training and IPv6 Helpdesk are great resources.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The premise behind the helpdesk is this: We can find ONE operator a<br>
> month that's committed to deploying IPv6, we keep providing targeted<br>
> training and coaching to move them from one deployment milestone to another<br>
> until we get stuck with incompatible equipment or internal collaboration<br>
> issues. All it takes is about 4 hours investment per week. If you are<br>
> interested, make a request at??<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://bit.ly/6deployEN" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/6deployEN</a>? ?(english)<br>
> > <a href="http://bit.ly/6deployFR" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/6deployFR</a>? ? (french)<br>
> ><br>
> > As we do this, we're also building an tremendous amount of intel on what<br>
> actually HOLDS IPv6 deployment back from real operators attempting to<br>
> deploy it and so far with over 45 tickets, the evidence indicates that<br>
> incompatible equipment is not in the top 5.? We're also realising that<br>
> that argument from big operators about "customers aren't asking for it" is<br>
> not true. We know of large operators that within 2 months have received<br>
> explicitly written requests to enable IPv6 from large corporate customers.<br>
> You don't want to see their response :( ? If you want to host one of our<br>
> DEPLOYATHON sessions in your country? ? - 5% teaching, 95% DOing<br>
> -?using our Prototype?? Validate ? Develop?? Deploy framework - enables<br>
> you hit a measurable deployment milestone within 8 hours ? you can apply<br>
> at:??<br>
> <a href="https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=en?(or?https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=fr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vox.afrinic.net/<wbr>189828?lang=en?(or?https://<wbr>vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=fr</a><br>
> in french) ? And for those who are still wondering how ready or not<br>
> their organisations are, take our free Organisational IPv6 Readiness<br>
> Assessment at??<a href="https://vox.afrinic.net/651525?lang=en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vox.afrinic.net/<wbr>651525?lang=en</a>? (or?<br>
> <a href="https://vox.afrinic.net/651525?lang=fr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vox.afrinic.net/<wbr>651525?lang=fr</a> in French)<br>
> > The results might provide pointers where to start the process. ?<br>
> Until next time ..... be EXCELLENT<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> ><br>
> > Mukom Akong T.<br>
> ><br>
> > LinkedIn:Mukom ?| ?twitter: @perfexcellent ?<br>
> ><br>
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