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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/6/18 5:22 AM, Noureddine
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opportunities behind IPv6 migration. </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px;">Sure IPv6 will give them the
opportunity to address a high number of objects,
equipements, services,.... but it is not limited to that.
Top management has to encourage their people to be express
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<p>I agree with that. I have several presentations on business
reasons for IPv6, which I imagine overlap with AFRINIC's IPv6 for
Executives training:</p>
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<li>Not running out of addresses, so you can keep adding customers</li>
<li>Faster [1]<br>
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<li>Because it's faster, Google page rank is higher; more
customers see your web site<br>
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<li>Because it's faster, users spend more time on the page; more
ad revenue<br>
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<li>IPv6 is on by default; may present security risks if not
secured</li>
<li>Use addresses to identify services; easier policy routing,
ACLs, security, troubleshooting, etc.</li>
<li>New diagnostic tools PDM [rfc8250] and maybe M-PDM
[draft-fear-ippm-mpdm]</li>
<li>Simpler container networking [2]<br>
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<li>Segment Routing with IPv6: no MPLS/LDP/RSVP-TE/NSH, it's all
just IP. [3]<br>
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<p>The last few are cutting-edge developments that are not widely
available yet, but are examples of innovations enabled by IPv6. I
didn't even list "It's not NAT" because you're likely to use some
kind of address sharing to reach legacy IPv4 sites, but that need
declines as others deploy, and it may be cheaper than NAT44.</p>
<p>IPv6 is cool.<br>
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<p>Lee<br>
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<p>[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://stats.labs.apnic.net/v6perf/XB">https://stats.labs.apnic.net/v6perf/XB</a> <br>
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<div> Le jeudi 6 décembre 2018 à 10:57:24 UTC+1, JORDI PALET
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lang="EN-US">Operators are informed, if you speak
about “engineers”, the problem is to inform the
CEOs of operator AND the CEOs of important
companies in each country (financial sectors,
companies that export or have relevant web sites,
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them (in their region) a few years ago.</span></p>
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<b>Asunto: </b>Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt;"><span style="color:black;">Dear All,
I think there is also another solution which is to inform the operators in each country of the situation because if only the members who will apply IPv6 it will not be possible to use it optimally.
I do not know if a provision to that effect has already been taken but I think that all the members are aware of the situation.
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt;"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">De: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">"Mukom Akong T." <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com"><mukom.tamon@gmail.com></a>
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<b>Envoyé: </b>Jeudi 6 Décembre 2018 06:41:29
<b>Objet: </b>Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop people moving to IPv6</span></pre>
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> Consumers are unaware of IPv6, so it's not part of their buying decision. If something doesn't make consumer buy boxes, vendors don't do it. I do not think consumer education about IP is a good idea.
Neither do I. Consumers don't DIRECTLY care about IP (whether v4 or v6). But they do care about other features that may be only possible (or easier, or cheaper) with v6.
This is one place where I see the role of governments. In the interest of national development, just ban importation and sale of legacy equipment. Similar to what is already done with type approval in telecommunications today.
> ISPs buying cheap boxes and not paying anything for support, so they can't get upgrades.
> Foreign ISPs dumping volumes of used CPE, which get resold at deep discounts.
I've been screaming about this for years. Even worse, some of it is going to be "sold" as "next generation Internet aid or technical corporation") which further cripples IPv6 deployment.
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> Something that has worked for some companies is an "ISP Certified" sticker. CPE vendors could apply to an ISP, and pay the costs of testing. If the tests complied with the ISP's requirements, which might include MAP, lw4o6, or 464xlat support, the vendor is allowed to put a sticker on their box saying, "This device certified for use with $ISP." There might be a business opportunity for someone who can set up a really good CPE testing lab, so ISPs could outsource their testing and certification.
In addition, I believe that with two days of training (regulators and customs) and the appropriate infrastructure and a PROCESS, we can help a government implement type approval for IPv6. Any regulator that wishes to do this should reach out and join the waiting list by taking the Government IPv6 Readiness Self Assessment at
ENGLISH → <a shape="rect" href="https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=en</a>
FRENCH → <a shape="rect" href="https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=fr</a>
> For years I have been an IPv6 advocate – and I still am – and I’ve actively deployed and run IPv6 in production supplying it to the end user, with multiple percentage point changes in country IPv6 penetration statistics as a result, but I am fast realizing that if we want IPv6 to grow and thrive – it’s time we started being a little more open and honest about the challenges and problems with it – instead of sprouting off that everyone should just move to it. Let’s acknowledge that IPv6 is critical, we have no option, but it is also deeply flawed, has major problems, and until start dealing with those – we will see deployment continue to stutter
I agree with the above. The solution is not just another open "discussion" where people who have not even started any kind of deployment, or even have a fair idea of what percentage of equipment might or might not be v6 ready go on an on about problems they've only heard about.
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> Should we have a round table discussion at AIS? How can we identify and make progress on resolving issues with IPv6?
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Perhaps we can start with a mailing list thread of SPECIFIC issues people have encountered while attempting a deployment on this mailing list, then build up to a webinar or discussion at AIS.
There are probably about 400million users using IPv6 today and growing, someone somewhere has solved those problems.
> The common theme in my answers above is that more people running IPv6 provides more weight in solving problems. If everyone would take a couple of hours to do three things, we'd have a very broad base of common experience to draw from:
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> 3. Announce the IPv6 addresses and route them on your backbone.
These are things that we've helped operators implement in 1 day at our deployathons (or 6 two hour sessions during helpdesk calls). It's surprising how many operators need help with their address planning. Which is why not only do we teach them how to determine how much space they get, but also how to implement them in an IPAM. For those interested, a video of a highly attended and rated AFRINIC webinar can be found at
<a shape="rect" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s</a>
Step by step walk-through of address planning best practices and implementation in an IPAM ---- no maths!
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> AFRINIC's training and IPv6 Helpdesk are great resources.
The premise behind the helpdesk is this: We can find ONE operator a month that's committed to deploying IPv6, we keep providing targeted training and coaching to move them from one deployment milestone to another until we get stuck with incompatible equipment or internal collaboration issues. All it takes is about 4 hours investment per week. If you are interested, make a request at
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<a shape="rect" href="http://bit.ly/6deployFR" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bit.ly/6deployFR</a> (french)
As we do this, we're also building an tremendous amount of intel on what actually HOLDS IPv6 deployment back from real operators attempting to deploy it and so far with over 45 tickets, the evidence indicates that incompatible equipment is not in the top 5. </span></pre>
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