<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_9882"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971">I somewhat agree with the budget factor. However, if enterprises, governments, etc see a close to limitless importance to deploy these numbers, cost would not be an excuse. <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_12179"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_12915"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971">In Africa, company networks grow at a less than arithmetic rate. This to me, is a fundamental reason. Let us preach ipv6 to start-ups and newly created then am sure we will get the results we want. For those who have gone in for it, why don't their numbers appear in the BGP tables? No one would want to get something, see the need to use it but does not use. Also, people would want to go in for the latest technology for prestigious reasons even if it is to be underutilized. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_14142"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_14341"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971">In as much as i think that we should worry not much because the ipv4 numbers must be exhausted and will default to ipv6, i also think that some governments (if not most) are hindering the process of deployment and usage through their laws, corrupt nature and some other policies. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_15601"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_15680"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1452869501649_11971">Stanley<br></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, January 15, 2016 8:06 AM, "afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net" <afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Send AfrIPv6-Discuss mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss-owner@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss-owner@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss-owner@afrinic.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of AfrIPv6-Discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: IPv6 adoption per country (Stephen Honlue)<br> 2. Re: IPv6 adoption per country (Paul McMaster)<br> 3. Re: IPv6 adoption per country (Noah)<br> 4. Re: IPv6 adoption per country (Mwendwa Kivuva)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:54:20 +0400<br>From: Stephen Honlue <<a ymailto="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net" href="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net">stephen.honlue@afrinic.net</a>><br>To: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] IPv6 adoption per country<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:03DA5163-B9CF-45C3-958A-1D2F979DB65D@afrinic.net" href="mailto:03DA5163-B9CF-45C3-958A-1D2F979DB65D@afrinic.net">03DA5163-B9CF-45C3-958A-1D2F979DB65D@afrinic.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br><br>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <<a ymailto="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> On Jan 15, 2016 11:57 AM, "Stephen Honlue" <<a ymailto="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net" href="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net">stephen.honlue@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net" href="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net">stephen.honlue@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > The link bellow gives the world adoption rates of IPv6, take a look and see how AFRICA is backward, let?s do something to develop the IPv6 Internet for Africa.<br>> <br>> <br>Something can be any proposal from anyone, I had to realise that something has to be done.<br><br>During AFRINIC 23, community agreed to revive this mailing list.<br><br>One way of reviving it could be thinking on how to push people into IPv6 adoption.<br><br>AFRINIC statistics is showing that only 3 countries in Africa don?t have any IPv6 allocation, but this are just allocations.<br>Members take resources from AFRINIC then keep those without using.<br><br>The question is, what is stoping people from deploying IPv6?<br>> What is this "something" Stephen? You may be preaching to the converted, but without constantly reminding us what we need to do, we loose target of the Grand prize.<br>> <br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/" target="_blank">http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/ </a><<a href="http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/" target="_blank">http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/</a>><br>> ><br>> > Regards,<br>> ><br>> > Stephen.<br>> ><br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:Trainer@AfriNic" href="mailto:Trainer@AfriNic">Trainer@AfriNic</a><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AfrIPv6-Discuss mailing list<br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net">AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net">AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss </a><<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss</a>><br>> ><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AfrIPv6-Discuss mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net">AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss</a><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/23f7f4e5/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/23f7f4e5/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: signature.asc<br>Type: application/pgp-signature<br>Size: 842 bytes<br>Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/23f7f4e5/attachment-0001.sig" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/23f7f4e5/attachment-0001.sig</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:02:44 +0200<br>From: Paul McMaster <<a ymailto="mailto:paul@vanilla.co.za" href="mailto:paul@vanilla.co.za">paul@vanilla.co.za</a>><br>To: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] IPv6 adoption per country<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAEmTPy=osHmF==<a ymailto="mailto:QesMaTKNZV8_ZLzf4yoL0NSqsJ5OdKkEzHbA@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:QesMaTKNZV8_ZLzf4yoL0NSqsJ5OdKkEzHbA@mail.gmail.com">QesMaTKNZV8_ZLzf4yoL0NSqsJ5OdKkEzHbA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>One word, ok maybe two.<br><br>Human nature.<br><br>On 15 Jan 2016 14:57, "Stephen Honlue" <<a ymailto="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net" href="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net">stephen.honlue@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <<a ymailto="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Jan 15, 2016 11:57 AM, "Stephen Honlue" <<a ymailto="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net" href="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net">stephen.honlue@afrinic.net</a>><br>wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > The link bellow gives the world adoption rates of IPv6, take a look<br>and see how AFRICA is backward, let?s do something to develop the IPv6<br>Internet for Africa.<br>>><br>>><br>> Something can be any proposal from anyone, I had to realise that<br>something has to be done.<br>><br>> During AFRINIC 23, community agreed to revive this mailing list.<br>><br>> One way of reviving it could be thinking on how to push people into IPv6<br>adoption.<br>><br>> AFRINIC statistics is showing that only 3 countries in Africa don?t have<br>any IPv6 allocation, but this are just allocations.<br>> Members take resources from AFRINIC then keep those without using.<br>><br>> The question is, what is stoping people from deploying IPv6?<br>>><br>>> What is this "something" Stephen? You may be preaching to the converted,<br>but without constantly reminding us what we need to do, we loose target of<br>the Grand prize.<br>>><br>>> ><br>>> > <a href="http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/" target="_blank">http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/</a><br>>> ><br>>> > Regards,<br>>> ><br>>> > Stephen.<br>>> ><br>>> > <a ymailto="mailto:Trainer@AfriNic" href="mailto:Trainer@AfriNic">Trainer@AfriNic</a><br>>> ><br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>> > AfrIPv6-Discuss mailing list<br>>> > <a ymailto="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net">AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss</a><br>>> ><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AfrIPv6-Discuss mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net">AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AfrIPv6-Discuss mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net">AfrIPv6-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/afripv6-discuss</a><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/385f354d/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/385f354d/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:27:35 +0300<br>From: Noah <<a ymailto="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>To: IPv6 in Africa <<a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] IPv6 adoption per country<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAEqgTWZbFUcaD-zUJb=GQ0o=<a ymailto="mailto:eH9niKeaKWZCpttGJidkfJJQjg@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:eH9niKeaKWZCpttGJidkfJJQjg@mail.gmail.com">eH9niKeaKWZCpttGJidkfJJQjg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On 15 Jan 2016 16:00, "Stephen Honlue" <<a ymailto="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net" href="mailto:stephen.honlue@afrinic.net">stephen.honlue@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>><br>>> What is this "something" Stephen? You may be preaching to the converted,<br>but without constantly reminding us what we need to do, we loose target of<br>the Grand prize.<br>>><br><br>1. NAT and his twin PAT<br><br>2. Legacy Telecom equipment run software which doesnt support IPv6 and/or<br>its costly to upgrade<br><br>3. No business case after all 1. above is working so well and money has not<br>stopped flowing in.<br><br>4. Some just dont have the budget for revamp after all the old kit is still<br>kicking as long as no one touches it.<br><br>5. Those with the most recent code are just plain lazy that when they<br>deploy IPv4 , they don't remember to also do the same for IPv6.<br><br>6. The end users careless about the network and care more about the<br>services they consume. No pressure from them at all towards the ISP.<br>Afterall, WhatsApp, Facebook, Netflix is all working fine....<br><br>Noah<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/4aba2531/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/20160115/4aba2531/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 19:05:35 +0300<br>From: Mwendwa Kivuva <<a ymailto="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>To: IPv6 in Africa <<a ymailto="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net" href="mailto:afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net">afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] IPv6 adoption per country<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:CAEhPqwpOjn3hDAdJsuzHJy0D9H0KZxnaJFJ5x9wgoW3HhfzbBg@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CAEhPqwpOjn3hDAdJsuzHJy0D9H0KZxnaJFJ5x9wgoW3HhfzbBg@mail.gmail.com">CAEhPqwpOjn3hDAdJsuzHJy0D9H0KZxnaJFJ5x9wgoW3HhfzbBg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>><br>> 1. NAT and his twin PAT<br><br>How does NAT hinder v6 growth? I thought NAT has hindered exhaustion of v4,<br>but not uptake of v6.<br><br>><br>> 2. Legacy Telecom equipment run software which doesnt support IPv6<br>and/or its costly to upgrade<br>><br><br>This is a very rare occurrence, but it's true. While upgrading the vast<br>University of Nairobi network to v6, I encountered about 8 routers out of<br>about 50 that were not v6 ready and the IOS could not be upgraded. There<br>were so many software instances that needed updating but that was not an<br>emergency since we were dual stacking<br><br>> 3. No business case after all 1. above is working so well and money has<br>not stopped flowing in.<br>><br>Very true.<br>ICT admins and CIOs have let us down. There was a good campaign by AFRINIC<br>on IPv6 for managers. Is there any monitoring and evaluation from AFRINIC<br>to enable the community know how effective the training was? For<br><br>> 4. Some just dont have the budget for revamp after all the old kit is<br>still kicking as long as no one touches it.<br>><br><br>You will be surprised, transition is very cheap. If you have the manpower,<br>you are ready to roll.<br><br>> 5. Those with the most recent code are just plain lazy that when they<br>deploy IPv4 , they don't remember to also do the same for IPv6.<br>><br><br>This are post implementation challenges. And they are good because we need<br>to take one thing at a time.<br><br>> 6. The end users careless about the network and care more about the<br>services they consume. No pressure from them at all towards the ISP.<br>Afterall, WhatsApp, Facebook, Netflix is all working fine....<br><br>If I was an end user, honestly I would also not care. 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