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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">First thanks Mark and Amos for your support, and of course we will be counting on your participation.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As for Paul,</SPAN></P>
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I know what you mean when you mentioned being frustrated with consistency and that all current efforts, if in fact <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>they exist, are solely focusing on training camps and IPv6 and awareness, don’t get me wrong I appreciate the importance of training technical personal on using IPv6 but awareness by itself is just not satisfying anymore, as is training without being able to implement and test in real life.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">This is why the main target I see for this TF is to work with AfriNIC, LIRs and Governments on transition scenarios and migration plans. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The fact that during</SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> the entire year of 2009 only 3 percent of the pool were allocated (almost 8 s of /8 IPv4 address blocks), while during</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> the last six months (since the beginning of 2010) the IANA pool dropped from 10 percent (26 blocks) to 6 percent (16 block) or around 4 pecent already!!! These figures indicate that we have to act immediately (the bottom of the pool is beginning to show), and as I said the entire African Region should act as one, we have re-invented the wheel too many times before separately, it is time to get it right as a whole this time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Regards <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hisham</FONT><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Paul Ikanza [mailto:pikanza@gmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sun 6/20/2010 5:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> hisham ahmed. ibrahim; IPv6 in Africa<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [afripv6-discuss] Re: afripv6-discuss Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Also,<BR>The reason, I think its overdue is that, realistically, we shall have to migrate to IPv6 in the very short term. By global estimates, IPv4 address deplition shall be effective with 18 months or so afterwhich we shall have quite afew service disruptions if there are no proper guidelines in place for equipment vendors for example so we actually need to move quickly on this.<BR>Paul<BR>S e n t f r o m m y MTN B l a c k B e r r y ® s m a r t p h o n e<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "hisham ahmed. ibrahim" <ahisham@mcit.gov.eg><BR>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:09:13<BR>To: <pikanza@gmail.com>; IPv6 in Africa<afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net>; <afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net><BR>Subject: RE: [afripv6-discuss] Re: afripv6-discuss Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3<BR><BR>Dear Paul,<BR><BR>The idea of creating a task force is not meant to spread awareness and IPv6 academic know-how anymore, we are way past that phase now, and if that were the case I agree, it would be a bit overdue.<BR><BR>As for the AFTFv6, it shall be established to assemble a group of African experts, all over Africa, that work mainly with Nations, LIRs and IXPs on fully supporting and implementing IPv6 capabilities and down streaming these capabilities to their consumers using African experiences and knowhow.<BR><BR>Without actually implementing IPv6 on national and even regional levels no real experience can be obtained (the days of depending solely on testing in test beds and labs are over), and although some measures are being taken to support IPv6 on different ICT levels, we are still extremely far from our goal.<BR><BR>For instance I have been working closely with a university here in Cairo that had the futuristic vision of starting from day one running entirely on IPv6 and though they bought all their products from well-known brand names that ensured IPv6 readiness when we tried to integrate these systems we found out that compatibility matrix of all the systems they bought looked like a big joke (for instance the Cameras that supported IPv6 couldn't integrate with the data storage units that also supported IPv6 except through an IPv4 connection and though the VoIP system supported IPv6 it couldn't integrate with the other VoIP services via IPv6, as for security I won't even go into that!!!). And after contacting the main company we were informed that there was no plan to do the necessary changes in any of the upcoming releases!!! Simply because there was "No Major market demands on supporting the required IPv6 modifications to their launching products". By creating the AFTFv6 such a demand can be created.<BR><BR>So in my opinion the only way forward, if we are going to improve the quality of the IPv6 in Africa, is to get everybody involved. Every great movement in history has been an international movement which owed its existence and its development to the cooperation of many different peoples and races. Africa has come a long way in a short time in regards to Internet this could only be achieved through the regional cooperation and integration of initiatives such as the AFTFv6. By realizing the AFTFv6 another important step, not only on the regional level but also in the globe arena, will be taken to help the IPv6 penetration and development globally.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR>Hisham<BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From: afripv6-discuss-bounces@afrinic.net on behalf of Paul Ikanza<BR>Sent: Sun 6/20/2010 11:51 AM<BR>To: afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net<BR>Subject: [afripv6-discuss] Re: afripv6-discuss Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sounds like an idea overdue. What's the way forward on this?<BR>Paul<BR>S e n t f r o m m y MTN B l a c k B e r r y ® s m a r t p h o n e<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net<BR>Sender: afripv6-discuss-bounces@afrinic.net<BR>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:02:27<BR>To: <afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net><BR>Reply-To: afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net<BR>Subject: afripv6-discuss Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3<BR><BR>Send afripv6-discuss mailing list submissions to<BR> afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> <A href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/afripv6-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/afripv6-discuss</A><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> afripv6-discuss-request@afrinic.net<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR> afripv6-discuss-owner@afrinic.net<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of afripv6-discuss digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Proposal for an African IPv6 Task force (hisham ahmed. ibrahim)<BR> 2. RE: Proposal for an African IPv6 Task force<BR> (Latif LADID ("The New Internet based on IPv6"))<BR> 3. Re: Proposal for an African IPv6 Task force (Amos)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>