[AfrIPv6-Discuss] - migrating to IPv6 (Kolawole Adewale)
Lee Howard
lee.howard at retevia.net
Fri Mar 15 15:26:46 UTC 2019
On 3/15/19 6:30 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote:
> Good recommendations Toyin.
>
> IPv6 discussions should accommodate both the policy, infrastructure,
> technical skills to the business side. What I have learnt in project
> governance is that there must be buying of the management to setting a
> framework for successful implementation.
> In my view, regulators need to have a total buying of the adoption of
> IPv6 to setting a workable framework that can lead to a successful
> implementation of IPv6 in Africa.
I did some research years ago into what government policies had worked
(or not worked) for promoting IPv6 deployment in a country, and what
else worked. I found that governments were most effective when they had
purchasing requirements that whatever product or service they bought
must use IPv6. That one policy meant that some government worker had to
work with local ISP(s) and local web host(s) to get IPv6. In a
competitive market, it's very helpful for the government to say, "The
ISP who can provide IPv6 first will win all of the government's Internet
access business. The web hosting company who can provide IPv6 will win
all of the government's hosting business." The nice thing is that the
web hosting company is then also pushing the ISP.
Once this happens, the next time somebody asks the ISP or web host for
IPv6, they can say yes.
On a related note, I have seen some countries whose government web sites
are hosted outside the country. A simple policy that government web
sites must be hosted in country, on IPv6, will provide better service to
citizens by making the web faster.
>
> Also, the IPv6 conversation must well articulate the business side as
> the main stakeholder are business oriented. Some of the questions
> would be;
These are excellent questions!
>
> * Would adoption of IPv6 lead to more coverage and profit digit
> addition?
>
With the above government policies, yes! Also, as I said in an earlier
email, if your service is faster than your competitor, you may be able
to win more profit.
>
> * What is the cost and organizational capacity for its deployment?
>
There is rarely significant capital cost. It's pretty much all labor:
the work of learning IPv6, and updating the provisioning and monitoring
systems, and of testing and configuring the routers and firewalls and
servers.
>
> * Is the customer ready to pay for the additional cost that accrue
> from IPv6 deployment?
>
There should not be additional costs to customers for IPv6. Instead,
look at the cost reduction of IPv6:
1. If you will need IPv4 addresses from Afrinic in 2020 or 2021, you
will not be able to get them. You will have to buy them from
somebody else in Africa, which (if they cost the same in Africa as
the rest of the world) by that time will cost US$40-50 each.
2. If you use CGN now (for instance, if you are a mobile provider), you
can reduce how much money you spend for CGN. If you will outgrow
your CGN box in a year, or five years, then by adopting IPv6, you
will have less traffic through your CGN, and may not need to replace
it. I know some mobile carriers who have cut their costs in half by
adopting IPv6.
I think the question to consider is whether customers will pay for the
additional cost of IPv4?
> * Who burns the cost of training and re-training and that of the
> challenges of the IPv6
>
Afrinic is on your side here. Their IPv6 Helpdesk is amazing, and their
training is fantastic. Ask them for help, and what it would take to get
training near you. Also, when Afrinic IPv6 training comes to your
country, during a meeting or independently, send everyone! After that
training, every network engineer, government IT manager, and software
developer in the country should be building IPv6 into everything they do.
Afrinic may be the best of the RIRs when it comes to IPv6 deployment
support. I've made a point of telling the other RIRs to pay attention to
what Mukom is doing.
> * Are there any form of support or incentives to help help ISPs, big
> tech company transition to IPv6?
>
The government incentive I mentioned above should help, as well as the
cost savings (avoiding new CGN or buying IPv4).
> Moreso, IPv6 should be taken to the CEO, Directors, CIO as they hold
> the key to the decision making.
Don't forget the marketing people. "We can improve the speed of our
service/web site by doing this" is pretty great; there are many articles
about how people are more likely to buy from a faster e-commerce site.
Also, if your web site is faster, you will appear higher in Google's
search rankings. If you run a company that sells bicycles, you know that
when people Google "bicycles" you want to be the first site they see,
not the 15th. Page load speed is one of the things Google uses to decide
how to rank the results. If people are 50% more likely to click on the
first three results, and 15% more likely to buy from a web site that
they don't have to wait for, speed is very important to the company.
Asking the hosting company to turn on IPv6 for your web site is a very
easy way to increase sales.
Lee
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:52 PM Toyin Oloniteru
> <toyin.oloniteru at gmail.com <mailto:toyin.oloniteru at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On IPv6 Adoption and Usage
>
> I think we are missing the Public Policy Agenda Setting elements.
> We are excessively focused on the technology side. We are lacking
> in the media and communication strategy area, which must be dealt
> with. For example are we educating and informing the public
> properly and sufficiently on:
> a. The reason for IPv6 though IPv4 works
> b. The relationship between IPv6 and IoTs in particular and
> emerging technologies generally - robotics, sensors and their use
> cases/applications
> c. Propositions on transition from IPv4 to IPv6
> d. Push for c) above at select public sector organizations and
> Higher Educational Institutions (HEIs). Push for these
> organizations to start making budget proposals to their approving
> authorities on IPv4 to IPv6 transition. Let the authorities
> decline. It is part of public policies agenda setting.
>
> My recommendations
> 1. Start building media awareness strategy through working groups
> 2. Be more aggressive in the area of IPv4 to IPv6 Transition Forum
> & Workshops and conference organising
> 3. Work on Public Policy Agenda setting Media (Traditional and
> Digital) strategy
> 4. Bring together the supply side (technology/solution providers)
> and demand side (users - current and prospectives) on the subject
> matter
>
> The above are my immediate a little contribution.
>
> Sincerely.
>
> HHI Olutoyin J Oloniteru
> Abuja, Nigeria.
>
> On Mar 14, 2019 8:08 PM, "Akinremi Peter Taiwo"
> <compsoftnet at gmail.com <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I quite agree with you Kolawole that more awareness of IPv6 is
> needed. But thinking from a business perspective, awareness
> wouldn't really matter if old technology is working and still
> given a satisfactory results. I probably believe that it is
> TIME that would determine the rate of IPv6 adoption.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM kolawole Adewale
> <harnthny at gmail.com <mailto:harnthny at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> More awareness still needs to be done in the areas of
> benfits. I feel tech operators in Africa, especially
> (medium ones)feel reluctant to migrate to IPv6 because of
> their lack of awareness the IPv6 brings.
> Kudos to AFRINIC on thier efforts.
> On 6 Dec 2018 7:48 pm,
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> > 1. Re: Finding solutions to things that stop people
> moving to
> > IPv6 (Noureddine IDBOUFKER)
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> > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:47:25 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Noureddine IDBOUFKER <n_idboufker at yahoo.fr
> <mailto:n_idboufker at yahoo.fr>>
> > To: afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net
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> > Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to
> things that stop
> > people moving to IPv6
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> > Sure there are many opportunities behind Transition to
> IPv6 but unfortunately, for African Operators in each
> country, there is also a risk. Every day elapsed before
> this transition moves them towards a very risky situation.
> I talk about Business and also technical risks.
> Unfortunately, the majority of operators has an urgency
> mindset.??I am really convinced that in order to encourage
> them to transit to IPv6, African Communities has to focus
> on risks and the urgency aspect of the transition. For
> example leading studies in order to produce a kind of SWOT
> Matrix, adapted to the African context, establishing
> Strengths, Weaknesses, Threats and Opportunities.
> > Regards-----------------------------------------------
> > Noureddine
> IDBOUFKERhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/idboufkernoureddine/
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/idboufkernoureddine/>
> >
> >
> > Le jeudi 6 d?cembre 2018 ? 15:51:06 UTC+1, Lee
> Howard <lee.howard at retevia.net
> <mailto:lee.howard at retevia.net>> a ?crit :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/6/18 5:22 AM, Noureddine IDBOUFKER via
> AfrIPv6-Discuss wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think that Top management is not enough aware of
> business opportunities behind IPv6 migration.? Sure IPv6
> will give them the opportunity to address a high number of
> objects, equipements, services,....? but it is not limited
> to that. Top management has to encourage their people to
> be express their innovation capabilities in a such a way
> to contribute to the developpement of Value Added
> Services.? Providers who will not propose new competitive
> service catalogue will simply die in globalized world. Top
> management has to know hat IPv6 is a real pillar of IT
> governance.
> >
> > I agree with that. I have several presentations on
> business reasons for IPv6, which I imagine overlap with
> AFRINIC's IPv6 for Executives training:
> >
> > - Not running out of addresses, so you can keep
> adding customers
> > - Faster [1]
> >
> > - Because it's faster, Google page rank is higher;
> more customers see your web site
> >
> > - Because it's faster, users spend more time on the
> page; more ad revenue
> >
> > - IPv6 is on by default; may present security risks
> if not secured
> > - Use addresses to identify services; easier policy
> routing, ACLs, security, troubleshooting, etc.
> > - New diagnostic tools PDM [rfc8250] and maybe M-PDM
> [draft-fear-ippm-mpdm]
> > - Simpler container networking [2]
> >
> > - Segment Routing with IPv6: no MPLS/LDP/RSVP-TE/NSH,
> it's all just IP. [3]
> >
> >
> > The last few are cutting-edge developments that are not
> widely available yet, but are examples of innovations
> enabled by IPv6. I didn't even list "It's not NAT" because
> you're likely to use some kind of address sharing to reach
> legacy IPv4 sites, but that need declines as others
> deploy, and it may be cheaper than NAT44.
> >
> > IPv6 is cool.
> >
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> > [1] https://stats.labs.apnic.net/v6perf/XB
> >
> >
> > [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF50OxZ5u4o
> >
> > [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUN68P6UAn0
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards?
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Noureddine IDBOUFKER
> >
> > Le jeudi 6 d?cembre 2018 ? 10:57:24 UTC+1, JORDI
> PALET MARTINEZ via AfrIPv6-Discuss
> <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net
> <mailto:afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>> a ?crit :
> >
> >
> > Operators are informed, if you speak about ?engineers?,
> the problem is to inform the CEOs of operator AND the CEOs
> of important companies in each country (financial sectors,
> companies that export or have relevant web sites, etc.).
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I recall ARIN did sent a letter to them (in their
> region) a few years ago.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jordi
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > De: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> > Responder a: IPv6 in Africa Discussions
> <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net
> <mailto:afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>>
> > Fecha: jueves, 6 de diciembre de 2018, 10:47
> > Para: IPv6 in Africa Discussions
> <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net
> <mailto:afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>>
> > Asunto: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to
> things that stop people moving to IPv6
> >
> > ?
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I think there is also another solution which is to
> inform the operators in each country of the situation
> because if only the members who will apply IPv6 it will
> not be possible to use it optimally.
> > I do not know if a provision to that effect has already
> been taken but I think that all the members are aware of
> the situation.
> >
> > Best regard, Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> > Webmaster i RENALA
> > Research and Education Network for Academic and
> Learning Activities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de
> la Recherche Scientifique - Fiadanana
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> ? De: "Mukom Akong T." <mukom.tamon at gmail.com
> <mailto:mukom.tamon at gmail.com>>
> > ?: "IPv6 in Africa" <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net
> <mailto:afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>>
> > Envoy?: Jeudi 6 D?cembre 2018 06:41:29
> > Objet: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things
> that stop people moving to IPv6 ?
> >
> > >
> > > Consumers are unaware of IPv6, so it's not part of
> their buying decision. If something doesn't make consumer
> buy boxes, vendors don't do it. I do not think consumer
> education about IP is a good idea.
> >
> >
> >
> > Neither do I. Consumers don't DIRECTLY care about IP
> (whether v4 or v6). But they do care about other features
> that may be only possible (or easier, or cheaper) with v6.
> >
> >
> > This is one place where I see the role of governments.
> In the interest of national development, just ban
> importation and sale of legacy equipment. Similar to what
> is already done with type approval in telecommunications
> today.
> >
> >
> >
> > > ISPs buying cheap boxes and not paying anything for
> support, so they can't get upgrades.
> > > Foreign ISPs dumping volumes of used CPE, which get
> resold at deep discounts.
> >
> >
> > I've been screaming about this for years. Even worse,
> some of it is going to be "sold" as "next generation
> Internet aid or technical corporation") which further
> cripples IPv6 deployment.
> >
> > >
> > > Something that has worked for some companies is an
> "ISP Certified" sticker. CPE vendors could apply to an
> ISP, and pay the costs of testing. If the tests complied
> with the ISP's requirements, which might include MAP,
> lw4o6, or 464xlat support, the vendor is allowed to put a
> sticker on their box saying, "This device certified for
> use with $ISP." There might be a business opportunity for
> someone who can set up a really good CPE testing lab, so
> ISPs could outsource their testing and certification.
> >
> >
> > In addition, I believe that with two days of training
> (regulators and customs) and the appropriate
> infrastructure and a PROCESS, we can help a government
> implement type approval for IPv6. Any regulator that
> wishes to do this should reach out and join the waiting
> list by taking the Government IPv6 Readiness Self
> Assessment at ?
> >
> > ENGLISH ? https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=en
> > FRENCH ? ?https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=fr
> >
> >
> > > For years I have been an IPv6 advocate ? and I still
> am ? and I?ve actively deployed and run IPv6 in production
> supplying it to the end user, with multiple percentage
> point changes in country IPv6 penetration statistics as a
> result, but I am fast realizing that if we want IPv6 to
> grow and thrive ? it?s time we started being a little more
> open and honest about the challenges and problems with it
> ? instead of sprouting off that everyone should just move
> to it. ? Let?s acknowledge that IPv6 is critical, we have
> no option, but it is also deeply flawed, has major
> problems, and until start dealing with those ? we will see
> deployment continue to stutter
> >
> >
> > I agree with the above. The solution is not just another
> open "discussion" where people who have not even started
> any kind of deployment, or even have a fair idea of what
> percentage of equipment might or might not be v6 ready go
> on an on about problems they've only heard about.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Should we have a round table discussion at AIS? How
> can we identify and make progress on resolving issues with
> IPv6?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we can start with a mailing list thread of
> SPECIFIC issues people have encountered while attempting a
> deployment on this mailing list, then build up to a
> webinar or discussion at AIS.
> >
> >
> > There are probably about 400million users using IPv6
> today and growing, someone somewhere has solved those
> problems.
> >
> >
> > > The common theme in my answers above is that more
> people running IPv6 provides more weight in solving
> problems. If everyone would take a couple of hours to do
> three things, we'd have a very broad base of common
> experience to draw from:
> > >
> > > 1. Write an address plan. Don't worry if it takes
> several revisions, that's normal.
> > >
> > > 2. Apply to Afrinic for IPv6 addresses.
> > >
> > > 3. Announce the IPv6 addresses and route them on your
> backbone.
> >
> >
> > These are things that we've helped operators implement
> in 1 day at our deployathons (or 6 two hour sessions
> during helpdesk calls). It's surprising how many operators
> need help with their address planning. Which is why not
> only do we teach them how to determine how much space they
> get, but also how to implement them in an IPAM.? For those
> interested, a video of a highly attended and rated AFRINIC
> webinar can be found at
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s
> >
> > Step by step walk-through of address planning best
> practices and implementation in an IPAM ---- no maths!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > AFRINIC's training and IPv6 Helpdesk are great resources.
> >
> >
> > The premise behind the helpdesk is this: We can find ONE
> operator a month that's committed to deploying IPv6, we
> keep providing targeted training and coaching to move them
> from one deployment milestone to another until we get
> stuck with incompatible equipment or internal
> collaboration issues. All it takes is about 4 hours
> investment per week. If you are interested, make a request
> at??
> >
> >
> > bit.ly/6deployEN <http://bit.ly/6deployEN>? ?(english)
> > bit.ly/6deployFR <http://bit.ly/6deployFR>? ? (french)
> >
> > As we do this, we're also building an tremendous amount
> of intel on what actually HOLDS IPv6 deployment back from
> real operators attempting to deploy it and so far with
> over 45 tickets, the evidence indicates that incompatible
> equipment is not in the top 5.? We're also realising that
> that argument from big operators about "customers aren't
> asking for it" is not true. We know of large operators
> that within 2 months have received explicitly written
> requests to enable IPv6 from large corporate customers.
> You don't want to see their response :( ? If you want
> to host one of our DEPLOYATHON sessions in your country?
> ? - 5% teaching, 95% DOing -?using our Prototype??
> Validate ? Develop?? Deploy framework - enables you hit
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> can apply
> at:??https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=en?(or?https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=fr
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> ready or not their organisations are, take our free
> Organisational IPv6 Readiness Assessment
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> > The results might provide pointers where to start the
> process. ? Until next time ..... be EXCELLENT
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