[AfrIPv6-Discuss] AfrIPv6-Discuss Digest, Vol 146, Issue 12 - migrating to IPv6 (Kolawole Adewale)

Akinremi Peter Taiwo compsoftnet at gmail.com
Thu Mar 14 19:06:29 UTC 2019 

I quite agree with you Kolawole that more awareness of IPv6 is needed. But
thinking from a business perspective, awareness wouldn't really matter if
old technology is working and still given a satisfactory results. I
probably believe that it is TIME that would determine the rate of IPv6
adoption.

Regards.
Peter

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM kolawole Adewale <harnthny at gmail.com> wrote:

> More awareness still needs to be done in the areas of benfits. I feel tech
> operators in Africa, especially (medium ones)feel reluctant to migrate to
> IPv6 because of their lack of awareness the IPv6 brings.
> Kudos to AFRINIC on thier efforts.
> On 6 Dec 2018 7:48 pm, <afripv6-discuss-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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> >    1. Re: Finding solutions to things that stop people moving to
> >       IPv6 (Noureddine IDBOUFKER)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:47:25 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Noureddine IDBOUFKER <n_idboufker at yahoo.fr>
> > To: afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net
> > Subject: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop
> >         people moving to IPv6
> > Message-ID: <152027882.5323643.1544122045102 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Sure there are many opportunities behind Transition to IPv6 but
> unfortunately, for African Operators in each country, there is also a risk.
> Every day elapsed before this transition moves them towards a very risky
> situation. I talk about Business and also technical risks. Unfortunately,
> the majority of operators has an urgency mindset.??I am really convinced
> that in order to encourage them to transit to IPv6, African Communities has
> to focus on risks and the urgency aspect of the transition. For example
> leading studies in order to produce a kind of SWOT Matrix, adapted to the
> African context, establishing Strengths, Weaknesses, Threats and
> Opportunities.
> > Regards-----------------------------------------------
> > Noureddine IDBOUFKERhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/idboufkernoureddine/
> >
> >
> >     Le jeudi 6 d?cembre 2018 ? 15:51:06 UTC+1, Lee Howard <
> lee.howard at retevia.net> a ?crit :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 12/6/18 5:22 AM, Noureddine IDBOUFKER via AfrIPv6-Discuss wrote:
> >
> >
> >   I think that Top management is not enough aware of business
> opportunities behind IPv6 migration.? Sure IPv6 will give them the
> opportunity to address a high number of objects, equipements,
> services,....? but it is not limited to that. Top management has to
> encourage their people to be express their innovation capabilities in a
> such a way to contribute  to the developpement of Value Added Services.?
> Providers who will not propose new competitive service catalogue will
> simply die in globalized world. Top management has to know hat IPv6 is a
> real pillar of IT governance.
> >
> > I agree with that. I have several presentations on business reasons for
> IPv6, which I imagine overlap with AFRINIC's IPv6 for Executives training:
> >
> >    - Not running out of addresses, so you can keep adding customers
> >    - Faster [1]
> >
> >    - Because it's faster, Google page rank is higher; more customers see
> your web site
> >
> >    - Because it's faster, users spend more time on the page; more ad
> revenue
> >
> >    - IPv6 is on by default; may present security risks if not secured
> >    - Use addresses to identify services; easier policy routing, ACLs,
> security, troubleshooting, etc.
> >    - New diagnostic tools PDM [rfc8250] and maybe M-PDM
> [draft-fear-ippm-mpdm]
> >    - Simpler container networking [2]
> >
> >    - Segment Routing with IPv6: no MPLS/LDP/RSVP-TE/NSH, it's all just
> IP. [3]
> >
> >
> > The last few are cutting-edge developments that are not widely available
> yet, but are examples of innovations enabled by IPv6. I didn't even list
> "It's not NAT" because you're likely to use some kind of address sharing to
> reach legacy IPv4 sites, but that need declines as others deploy, and it
> may be cheaper than NAT44.
> >
> > IPv6 is cool.
> >
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> > [1] https://stats.labs.apnic.net/v6perf/XB
> >
> >
> > [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF50OxZ5u4o
> >
> > [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUN68P6UAn0
> >
> >
> >
> >    Regards?
> >   -----------------------------------------------
> >  Noureddine IDBOUFKER
> >
> >       Le jeudi 6 d?cembre 2018 ? 10:57:24 UTC+1, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
> via AfrIPv6-Discuss <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net> a ?crit :
> >
> >
> > Operators are informed, if you speak about ?engineers?, the problem is
> to inform the CEOs of operator AND the CEOs of important companies in each
> country (financial sectors, companies that export or have relevant web
> sites, etc.).
> >
> >  ?
> >
> > I recall ARIN did sent a letter to them (in their region) a few years
> ago.
> >
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> > Jordi
> >
> >  ?
> >
> >  ?
> >
> >  ?
> >
> > De: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg>
> >  Responder a: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
> >  Fecha: jueves, 6 de diciembre de 2018, 10:47
> >  Para: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
> >  Asunto: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop
> people moving to IPv6
> >
> >  ?
> >     Dear All,
> >
> > I think there is also another solution which is to inform the operators
> in each country of the situation because if only the members who will apply
> IPv6 it will not be possible to use it optimally.
> > I do not know if a provision to that effect has already been taken but I
> think that all the members are aware of the situation.
> >
> > Best regard,   Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> >  Webmaster i RENALA
> >  Research and Education Network for Academic and Learning Activities -
> http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> >  Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche
> Scientifique - Fiadanana
> >  GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 |? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29   ?    De: "Mukom
> Akong T." <mukom.tamon at gmail.com>
> > ?: "IPv6 in Africa" <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
> > Envoy?: Jeudi 6 D?cembre 2018 06:41:29
> > Objet: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop
> people moving to IPv6   ?
> >
> > >
> > > Consumers are unaware of IPv6, so it's not part of their buying
> decision. If something doesn't make consumer buy boxes, vendors don't do
> it. I do not think consumer education about IP is a good idea.
> >
> >
> >
> > Neither do I. Consumers don't DIRECTLY care about IP (whether v4 or v6).
> But they do care about other features that may be only possible (or easier,
> or cheaper) with v6.
> >
> >
> > This is one place where I see the role of governments. In the interest
> of national development, just ban importation and sale of legacy equipment.
> Similar to what is already done with type approval in telecommunications
> today.
> >
> >
> >
> > > ISPs buying cheap boxes and not paying anything for support, so they
> can't get upgrades.
> > > Foreign ISPs dumping volumes of used CPE, which get resold at deep
> discounts.
> >
> >
> > I've been screaming about this for years. Even worse, some of it is
> going to be "sold" as "next generation Internet aid or technical
> corporation") which further cripples IPv6 deployment.
> >
> > >
> > > Something that has worked for some companies is an "ISP Certified"
> sticker. CPE vendors could apply to an ISP, and pay the costs of testing.
> If the tests complied with the ISP's requirements, which might include MAP,
> lw4o6, or 464xlat support, the vendor is allowed to put a sticker on their
> box saying, "This device certified for use with $ISP." There might be a
> business opportunity for someone who can set up a really good CPE testing
> lab, so ISPs could outsource their testing and certification.
> >
> >
> > In addition, I believe that with two days of training (regulators and
> customs) and the appropriate infrastructure and a PROCESS, we can help a
> government implement type approval for IPv6. Any regulator that wishes to
> do this should reach out and join the waiting list by taking the Government
> IPv6 Readiness Self Assessment at ?
> >
> > ENGLISH ? https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=en
> > FRENCH ? ?https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=fr
> >
> >
> > > For years I have been an IPv6 advocate ? and I still am ? and I?ve
> actively deployed and run IPv6 in production supplying it to the end user,
> with multiple percentage point changes in country IPv6 penetration
> statistics as a result, but I am fast realizing that if we want IPv6 to
> grow and thrive ? it?s time we started being a little more open and honest
> about the challenges and problems with it ? instead of sprouting off that
> everyone should just move to it. ? Let?s acknowledge that IPv6 is critical,
> we have no option, but it is also deeply flawed, has major problems, and
> until start dealing with those ? we will see deployment continue to stutter
> >
> >
> > I agree with the above. The solution is not just another open
> "discussion" where people who have not even started any kind of deployment,
> or even have a fair idea of what percentage of equipment might or might not
> be v6 ready go on an on about problems they've only heard about.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Should we have a round table discussion at AIS? How can we identify
> and make progress on resolving issues with IPv6?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we can start with a mailing list thread of SPECIFIC issues
> people have encountered while attempting a deployment on this mailing list,
> then build up to a webinar or discussion at AIS.
> >
> >
> > There are probably about 400million users using IPv6 today and growing,
> someone somewhere has solved those problems.
> >
> >
> > > The common theme in my answers above is that more people running IPv6
> provides more weight in solving problems. If everyone would take a couple
> of hours to do three things, we'd have a very broad base of common
> experience to draw from:
> > >
> > > 1. Write an address plan. Don't worry if it takes several revisions,
> that's normal.
> > >
> > > 2. Apply to Afrinic for IPv6 addresses.
> > >
> > > 3. Announce the IPv6 addresses and route them on your backbone.
> >
> >
> > These are things that we've helped operators implement in 1 day at our
> deployathons (or 6 two hour sessions during helpdesk calls). It's
> surprising how many operators need help with their address planning. Which
> is why not only do we teach them how to determine how much space they get,
> but also how to implement them in an IPAM.? For those interested, a video
> of a highly attended and rated AFRINIC webinar can be found at
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s
> >
> > Step by step walk-through of address planning best practices and
> implementation in an IPAM ---- no maths!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > AFRINIC's training and IPv6 Helpdesk are great resources.
> >
> >
> > The premise behind the helpdesk is this: We can find ONE operator a
> month that's committed to deploying IPv6, we keep providing targeted
> training and coaching to move them from one deployment milestone to another
> until we get stuck with incompatible equipment or internal collaboration
> issues. All it takes is about 4 hours investment per week. If you are
> interested, make a request at??
> >
> >
> > bit.ly/6deployEN? ?(english)
> > bit.ly/6deployFR? ? (french)
> >
> > As we do this, we're also building an tremendous amount of intel on what
> actually HOLDS IPv6 deployment back from real operators attempting to
> deploy it and so far with over 45 tickets, the evidence indicates that
> incompatible equipment is not in the top 5.?  We're also realising that
> that argument from big operators about "customers aren't asking for it" is
> not true. We know of large operators that within 2 months have received
> explicitly written requests to enable IPv6 from large corporate customers.
> You don't want to see their response :(   ?  If you want to host one of our
> DEPLOYATHON sessions in your country?   ?  - 5% teaching, 95% DOing
>  -?using our Prototype?? Validate ? Develop?? Deploy framework   - enables
> you hit a measurable deployment milestone within 8 hours   ?  you can apply
> at:??
> https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=en?(or?https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=fr
> in french)   ?  And for those who are still wondering how ready or not
> their organisations are, take our free Organisational IPv6 Readiness
> Assessment at??https://vox.afrinic.net/651525?lang=en? (or?
> https://vox.afrinic.net/651525?lang=fr in French)
> > The results might provide pointers where to start the process.   ?
> Until next time ..... be EXCELLENT
> >
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