[afripv6-discuss] What are the benefits of IPv6 over IPv4

Frank Habicht geier at geier.ne.tz
Sun Jun 3 20:36:26 SAST 2012


Can I conclude like this:

- those who don't take care of security will get bitten by security issues.
- those that don't do IPv6 won't have to worry about IPv6 (security)


?

Are we talking about how bad things are or are we talking about which 
way to go forward?
Are you advising to currently not adopt IPv6?

Frank


On 6/3/2012 8:44 PM, Kondwani C. Hara wrote:
> While direct communication seems a good idea, direct communication
> exposes devices to direct attack. Where NAT existed, it was easier to
> limit the attacks by opening up to the public only services that are
> accessible to the public.
>
> Linux or most Unix machines operating as servers, are hardened against
> remote attacks. Workstations are hardened against local access. Putting
> these on ipv6 will leave many workstations very vulnerable.
>
> The attacks on smartphones especially Android, seem to have been worse
> and difficult to manage due the little attention on security they might
> have received owing to the fact that its still work in progress.
>
> Exposing these to the chainability of ipv6 is really a Security disaster.
>
> That's a big bug ipv6 has.
>
> Kondwani.
>
> On 3 Jun 2012 19:34, "Frank Habicht" <geier at geier.ne.tz
> <mailto:geier at geier.ne.tz>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I understand Vint Cerf is accepting part of the blame [about
>     limitations of v4].
>     I believe that it's good (for innovation) to be able to have direct
>     communication between end devices (end-to-end principle).
>     That is gone for IPv4 (NAT), and workarounds [1] are there (none
>     perfect).
>
>     I think IPv6 will take care of it for longer that IPv4 did.
>
>
>     I hope we have a common understanding about history and we can go
>     forward. How do we deploy more v6 ?
>
>     I like Gert Doering's .sig :
>     "have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?"
>
>
>     Frank
>
>     PS: didn't get 2x eBGP up with Cisco 891 [2] today :
>     clear bgp ipv6 unicast * did _not_ help
>     reload _did_ help.     strange....
>     Cisco IOS Software, C890 Software (C890-UNIVERSALK9-M), Version
>     15.1(4)M1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
>
>
>     [1]
>     - the one I think about are STUN etc
>     - ipv6 over facebook, over google, don't count
>     - 6to4 should be history, and not in discussions about the future -
>     can we agree?
>
>     [2]
>     end-user customer, with 2 uplinks to same ISP, in AS 64512
>     yes, i was talking about BGP over v6 and about v6
>
>
>     On 6/3/2012 7:52 PM, Kondwani C. Hara wrote:
>
>         I believe by design, ipv4 was never supposed to exhaust. But as a
>         marketing extra, even ipv6 address space will prove too little. Not
>         every individual requires a public ip. But if every device will
>         require
>         a public ip, then per individual it should be expected several
>         devices.
>         I wonder how many ipv6 ip address are implementable? If there is an
>         upper bound, the seemingly huge number will exhaust.
>
>         Unless we come back to the original design of ipv4 we will find
>         that we
>         would still encounter the same problem. We will also find that
>         ipv4 was
>         never supposed to exhaust in the first place.
>
>         On 3 Jun 2012 14:09, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka at seacom.mu
>         <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>         <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>>> wrote:
>
>             On Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:11:39 AM Mark Elkins wrote:
>
>          > At the end of the day - every ISP type service charges
>          > for the IP addresses that they 'rent' from their
>          > Upstream or RIR. They are all businesses.
>
>             Mark, do you mean as a hidden cost or explicitly?
>
>             Not all ISP's charge their customers for space. But yes,
>             some do.
>
>             The operations I've run assign a minimum default for every
>             new turn-up. If customers want additional space for their
>             expansion, they only need to justify that to us (not as easy
>             as I'm making it sound), and if they could, we'd assign more
>             to them. Justification for additional space was always in
>             line with the policies enforced by the RIR in the respective
>             region I worked; which is fair.
>
>             Charging for IPv4 address space isn't terribly useful, as
>             that's a dying resource you can't base any sustainable model
>             on.
>
>             I know Product & Marketing folks like to charge for IPv4
>             addresses as a deterrence to exhaustion, but I always tell
>             them that if a customer is desperate, they'll pay anything
>             to get it.
>
>             Add to that, the Sales are happy making IPv4 addresses an
>             item line because they make more on commissions.
>
>             So the combination of S&M, in this case, is a recipe for
>             disaster that needs checking.
>
>             But as a basic means of revenue when offering a service,
>             I'll submit it (selling IPv4 space) leaves a foul taste in
>             my mouth. As for IPv6, that's just immoral, but that's my
>             own opinion.
>
>             Your network, your rules.
>
>             Mark.
>
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