[afripv6-discuss] FW: [ipv6-members] Fwd: Is the Transition toIPv6 a "Market Failure?"

Mon Jun 28 08:32:31 SAST 2010

In agreement. With a good hands-on training things become a lot simpler.

Cheers
Latif 

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[mailto:afripv6-discuss-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of kondwa at m-hi.org
Sent: 28 June 2010 08:19
To: IPv6 in Africa
Subject: Re: [afripv6-discuss] FW: [ipv6-members] Fwd: Is the Transition
toIPv6 a "Market Failure?"

I am wondering where the issue of cost comes in. Most hardware nowadays is
already implemented with ipv6. Information on how to migrate is available
all over. 
According to this:

http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/it-pros-take-ipv6-migration-their-own-han
ds/2010-06-01

Some IT Pros are already implementing it in their home networks.
Organisation fail to implement it because of unjustified costs. 

Organisations already have IT departments to do these changes. As I have
already said hardware already has it enabled. Where then would the cost come
from?

I think we might as well go on deploy and at any level organisation or ISP.
With dual stack and/or tunnelling technics available. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Latif LADID \(\"The New Internet based on IPv6\"\)" <latif at ladid.lu>
Sender: afripv6-discuss-bounces at afrinic.net
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:32:37
To: 'IPv6 in Africa'<afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
Reply-To: IPv6 in Africa <afripv6-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: RE: [afripv6-discuss] FW: [ipv6-members] Fwd: Is the Transition to
	IPv6 a "Market Failure?"

Hi Kondwani,

The Y2K was just a monumental bug to fix and agree industry has exploited it
to make money.

The integration of IPv6 is work for progress. Afrinic offers practical
trainings to the African ISPs who are the first that need it to move. IPv6
is first a plumbing exercise in the infrastructure of the Internet.

IPv6 will and should be transparent to the end-users.

Cheers
Latif

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[mailto:afripv6-discuss-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Kondwani C. Hara
Sent: 28 June 2010 02:22
To: IPv6 in Africa
Subject: Re: [afripv6-discuss] FW: [ipv6-members] Fwd: Is the Transition to
IPv6 a "Market Failure?"

Hello all,

This is my first contribution.

I also see a problem with the transition based on Market Value. And indeed
it does compare with millenium bug.

It does encourage a lot of meetings and no action for nobody really knows
how to put theory into practice after all the trainings.

I guess it is time to just act and face what seems to be fears now. In the
end each situation faced has a solution and some can't be known until
encountered. But for these too there will be solution.

Its good we have these forums. We can share experiences as we go. It starts
with action.

Kondwani.

On 6/27/10, Latif LADID ("The New Internet based on IPv6") <latif at ladid.lu>
wrote:
> Dear Sami,
>
> The current IP addressing allocation works very well and Africa is
perfectly
> run by Afrinic: www.afrinic.net
>
> One of the areas where you could really add great value is as you said 
> promote addition or integration of IPv6 (not migration) in terms of 
> capacity building, practical and hands-on workshops on the one hand 
> and thru adoption policies thru the Ministry of communications and the 
> regulators by making stakeholders embrace IPv6 thru procurement 
> enforcement and request of IPv6 service from the national telecom
operators
> and ISPs.
>
> If the ITU could add some IPv6 experts from Africa who know the real 
> field issues, it would help to have a meaningful collaboration in this
respect.
>
> Please see attached email of the same discussion these days.
>
> Let's make IPv6 a success in Africa and not a "political failure".
>
> Cheers
> Latif
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sami [mailto:sami at ntc.org.sd]
> Sent: 27 June 2010 13:55
> To: Latif LADID ("The New Internet based on IPv6")
> Cc: 'IPv6 in Africa'; 'Alaa Al-Radhi'
> Subject: Re: FW: [ipv6-members] Fwd: Is the Transition to IPv6 a 
> "Market Failure?"
>
>
> Dear Latif
>
> we as many participants in the 1st IPv6 group meeting wont to make 
> some modifications on the Internet addressing allocation and 
> registration by the participation of ITU and country administration on 
> the processes not only to regulate the sector, but also to motivate 
> the migration toward IPv6.
>
>
> please refer to ITU group portal and the last meeting doc specially 
> the final report and the formation of the two groups to have an idea 
> about what we aim to do.
>
>
> I couldn't find you email on the group mailing list, but any way we do 
> appreciate contribution from experts on the field.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sami H. O. Salih
> NTC, SUDAN
>
>
>
>> Hi Sami,
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>> What's your agenda?
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>> I have copied the African IPv6 Community to explain what you want to 
>> achieve with this.
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>> Cheers
>>
>> Latif
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>>
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>> Von: Sami <sami at ntc.org.sd>
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>> Datum: 27. Juni 2010 09:33:42 MESZ
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>> An: <IPv6-cg2 at lists.itu.int>, <IPv6-cg1 at lists.itu.int>
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>> Betreff: Is the Transition to IPv6 a "Market Failure?"
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>>
>>
>> Dear All
>> Mr. Jeoff Huston, Chef Scientist of APNIC, prepared a paper titled:
>>
>> Is the Transition to IPv6 a "Market Failure?"
>> http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2009-09/v6trans.html
>>
>> He talk about the transition procedures and comparing it with other 
>> migration occurred in the development of ICTs such as year 2000 problem.
>>
>> He blames IPv6, because  IPv6 is neither a backwards-compatible 
>> protocol, nor forward-compatible protocol, So the two protocols are 
>> not perfect substitutes.
>> He also gives charts with regards to the Dual Stack Transition 
>> Process, and show the appropriate time frame for migration.
>> At the end he suggest some remedies, and how to start from now toward 
>> IPv6.
>>
>> I found the paper is very interesting as  Xiaoya said , I strongly 
>> recommend the group to benefit from Mr. Jeoff Huston ideas  .
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Sami H. O. Salih
>> NTC, SUDAN
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>> Prof. Michael Rotert
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>> Ruhesteinstr. 14
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>> 76327 Pfinztal
>>
>> Tel: +49 7240 615454
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>> Fax: +49 7240 615455
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>> Mobil: +49 171 8600812
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>> Skype: rotert
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>> EMail: Michael at Rotert.DE
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