<div><div dir="auto">Hi Mark,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Good questions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would take hosts to mean unique IP addresses associated with domain names under the TLD.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For example.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://mail.xyz.co.za">mail.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://www.xyz.co.za">www.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://pbx.xyz.co.za">pbx.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://webmail.xyz.co.za">webmail.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://nfs.xyz.co.za">nfs.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://crm.xyz.co.za">crm.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://billing.xyz.co.za">billing.xyz.co.za</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That’s potentially 7 different hosts.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also for NG it could the one IP address with (let’s say) 200 domains pointing to it would still be counted as one host and not 200. So there are some underlying issues that might be surfacing via this line of enquirer.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyway just adding my thoughts to the confusion!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for raising these very good points Alan! Glad too see there is still enough gray matter left to analyse these issues, lol!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Brian</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 1:18 PM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <div><br><br> <p>I'm very curious what the stats are actually measuring...<br><br><br> <br><br><br> </p><br><br> <p>(snap shot for Africa)</p><br><br> <pre style="font-family:monospace">ISO HOSTS ALL DUPLICATES SLD THREELD<br><br> 1 ZA 6197417 6268058 70641 48 22616<br><br> 2 EG 4989280 5004756 15476 39 798<br><br> 3 MA 153009 157364 4355 1075 1795<br><br> 4 KE 142034 313717 171683 17 1514<br><br> 5 MG 117130 130093 12963 243 26852<br><br> 6 AO 104001 104243 242 74 1481<br><br> 7 RE 97696 97734 38 376 97308<br><br> 8 MZ 97258 97817 559 26 9680<br><br> 9 NA 79258 79786 528 57 70490<br><br>10 CI 71311 71852 541 244 15026<br><br>11 MU 51689 52266 577 273 51050<br><br>12 GH 45780 48225 2445 13 236<br><br>13 CM 36060 36329 269 170 36014<br><br>14 TZ 34901 35182 281 7 576<br><br>15 ZW 29158 41208 12050 11 1903<br><br>16 UG 25570 28502 2932 58 421<br><br>17 LY 25519 26290 771 232 590<br><br>18 ZM 19880 20388 508 29 17513<br><br>19 LS 16179 16197 18 10 99<br><br>20 CV 14315 14320 5 51 77<br><br>21 GM 7996 8010 14 31 7981<br><br>22 BW 5420 5576 156 63 904<br><br>23 BJ 2766 2773 7 50 2753<br><br>24 CD 2655 2675 20 123 2628<br><br>25 NG 2563 10476 7913 154 606<br><br><br><br></pre><br><br> <p>Over six million hosts for South Africa? There are about 1.3<br><br> million ZA Domains. There were about 25% non-ZA domains in use in<br><br> South Africa (4:1 ratio, ZA:Non-ZA) (the <a href="https://dnsstudy.africa" target="_blank">https://dnsstudy.africa</a><br><br> project), so I'm guessing that there are a little less than two<br><br> million domains in South Africa in total. So what does 6 Million<br><br> hosts mean?</p><br><br> <p>Many Domains do not have Web Sites, others have place holders<br><br> (website coming soon messages).<br><br><br> <br><br><br> Kenya just recently reached 100,000 domains and three years ago -<br><br> there were more non KE domains than KE domains (5:4 ratio,<br><br> non-KE:KE)...</p><br><br> <p>Perhaps AFTLD needs to have the DNS Study re-run - and this time<br><br> get as many ccTLD's to opt in (with Zone copies) as possible along<br><br> with the Observatory (all of which I'd love to be involved with).<br><br><br> </p><br><br> <p>Look at<br><br> <a href="https://dnsstudy.africa/AfricanDNSMarketStudyPresentation2017-06-23.pdf" target="_blank">https://dnsstudy.africa/AfricanDNSMarketStudyPresentation2017-06-23.pdf</a>,<br><br> slide 17 onwards for the recommendations.<br><br><br> (We still have all the code - etc!)<br><br><br> <br><br><br> Also<br><br><a href="https://dnsstudy.africa/AfricaDomainNameSystemMarketStudy2016FinalReportVersion1.03h.pdf" target="_blank">https://dnsstudy.africa/AfricaDomainNameSystemMarketStudy2016FinalReportVersion1.03h.pdf</a><br><br> from page 147 (of 213) goes into various stats.<br><br><br> </p></div><div><br><br> <pre style="font-family:monospace"></pre><br><br> <div>On 2020/08/08 11:22, Seun Ojedeji<br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote type="cite"><br><br> <br><br> <div dir="auto">Hello,<br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto">Knowing the uptake of Ng in Nigeria(though still<br><br> very far from desired number) I quickly checked locally and<br><br> found that it seem the stats on isc may be grossly inaccurate.<br><br> See the stats for .ng at:</div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.nira.org.ng/nira-media/news-update/589-ng-domain-name-report-june-2020" target="_blank">https://www.nira.org.ng/nira-media/news-update/589-ng-domain-name-report-june-2020</a></div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto">Most likely the flaw will be applicable to other<br><br> countries as well.</div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto">Regards<br><br><br> <br><br><br> <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from<br><br> my mobile<br><br><br> Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br> <br><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 10:05 Seun<br><br> Ojedeji, <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="auto">Thanks a lot Noah, I missed the previous post<br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto">Regards<br><br><br> <br><br><br> <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from<br><br> my mobile<br><br><br> Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br> <br><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 10:04<br><br> Noah, <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br> <div><br><br><br> <br><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 7 Aug<br><br> 2020, 19:12 Seun Ojedeji, <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div dir="ltr">Hello Alan,<br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Thanks for this, kindly find inline:</div><br><br> </div><br><br> <br><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug<br><br> 7, 2020 at 11:49 AM Alan Levin <<a href="mailto:alan@futureperfect.co.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">alan@futureperfect.co.za</a>><br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div dir="ltr">Hi Barrack,<br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On<br><br> Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:20 PM Barrack<br><br> Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br> <div dir="auto">Many thanks for<br><br> reading the report. We welcome<br><br> your feedback and most importantly<br><br> views. Could you be specify the<br><br> challenges so that we can work on<br><br> them and report back to the<br><br> Community? You can use this<br><br> channel or email <a href="mailto:secretariat@aftld.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer" target="_blank">secretariat@aftld.org</a><br><br> or both.</div><br><br> </div><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Thank you for your reply. I suggest<br><br> that you examine the link and come up<br><br> with your own useful questions.</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>I do not wish to single out any...<br><br> so please I use only as one simple<br><br> example, there are many many<br><br> questions.</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>I believe Nigeria is one of our<br><br> largest populations and economies...</div><br><br> <div>yet the .ng domain has less than<br><br> 2600 live hosts in 2019</div><br><br> <div> ng       2563    10476   <br><br>  7913     154     606  <br><br>  Nigeria<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>compared with Egypt</div><br><br> <div> eg     4989280   5004756   <br><br>  15476     39     798   Egypt</div><br><br> <div>almost 5 million</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>2600 and 5 million are clearly<br><br> vastly different numbers!</div><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>SO: Could you share the source of the<br><br> stats?</div><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto">Alan had shared the link in his previous<br><br> post.</div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><a href="https://downloads.isc.org/www/survey/reports/current/bynum.txt" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://downloads.isc.org/www/survey/reports/current/bynum.txt</a><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div dir="auto"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Regards</div><br><br> <div> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Sincerely</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Alan</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On<br><br> Fri, 7 Aug 2020, 12:15 pm Alan<br><br> Levin, <<a href="mailto:alan@futureperfect.co.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer" target="_blank">alan@futureperfect.co.za</a>><br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div dir="ltr">Hi,<br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Just a quick note to say<br><br> that I read this wonderful<br><br> brochure. Wow, so many<br><br> investors and sponsors, it<br><br> makes us look good. </div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Unfortunately there are<br><br> deep and significant<br><br> problems with aftld's that<br><br> are not mentioned or even<br><br> alluded to.</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>The ISC domain survey has<br><br> unfortunately ended<br><br> because the Internet has<br><br> advanced on the<br><br> whole, globally.</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>This list does reflect<br><br> where the problem areas in<br><br> Africa remain a BIG problem<br><br> for Aftld's...</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div><a href="https://downloads.isc.org/www/survey/reports/current/bynum.txt" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://downloads.isc.org/www/survey/reports/current/bynum.txt</a><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Sincerely</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Alan</div><br><br> </div><br><br> <br><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote"><br><br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon,<br><br> Aug 3, 2020 at 9:46 AM<br><br> Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br><br> wrote:<br><br><br> </div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div>Dear Community<br><br> Members,</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Attached please find<br><br> the annual report for<br><br> Africa Top Level Domains<br><br> Organization.</div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Thank you <br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> <div>Best Regars</div><br><br> </div><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><br> AfrICANN mailing list<br><br><br> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><br><br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann</a><br><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> </div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><br> AfrICANN mailing list<br><br><br> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><br><br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann" rel="noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann</a><br><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> </div><br><br> </div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><br> AfrICANN mailing list<br><br><br> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><br><br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann</a><br><br><br> </blockquote><br><br> </div><br><br> <br clear="all"><br><br> <div><br><br><br> </div><br><br> -- <br><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div><br><br> <div dir="ltr"><br><br> <div><br><br> <div dir="ltr">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br> <font style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br><br> <blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;font-family:garamond,serif;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br><br> <i style="font-family:garamond,serif"><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun<br><br> Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"><br><br> </span><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(0,102,0)">Mobile:<br><br> <a value="+2348035233535" rel="noreferrer<br><br> noreferrer noreferrer" style="font-family:garamond,serif">+2348035233535</a></span></i><br><br><br> <br><br><br> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;font-family:garamond,serif;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Bringing<br><br> another down does not take<br><br> you up - 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