<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>For the sake of clarification, I would like to point out that neither the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) or the GNSO Council signed off on this letter. It was discussed by the NCSG, but it was decided to NOT endorse this letter. The NCSG did, however, submit the reconsideration request mentioned in the CircleID post along with the Business Constituency of the Commercial Stakeholder Group and the Registries Stakeholder Group, which you can find here: <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-bc-rysg-ncsg-29aug14-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-bc-rysg-ncsg-29aug14-en.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>For the GNSO Council to sign off on this letter, a formal motion would have to be submitted and voted upon at a GNSO Council meeting. None of these happened. In fact, this letter wasn’t even discussed on the Council list.</div><div><br></div><div>I only bring this to everyone’s attention to avoid confusion on what members of the ICANN community allegedly signed this letter, before holding discussions or taking action under those assumptions. To me it raises the question of how many of the other signatories also actually signed the letter.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div><div>On Aug 30, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Ben Fuller <<a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com">abutiben@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Barrack,<br><br></div>Perhaps, but we should seriously consider joining all the other communities. Scroll down to the bottom of the article where the full text of the joint letter sent to ICANN is posted. We should focus on that text.<br>
<br></div>Ben<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Barrack Otieno <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Dr Fuller,<br>
<br>
You raise a very pertinent issue while i am in agreement with you, i<br>
also think we have to be wary of decisions that will over engineer<br>
decision making processes within ICANN since this could result in some<br>
analysis paralysis sort of scenario, what is your take?<br>
<br>
Just a thought.<br>
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On 8/30/14, Ben Fuller <<a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com">abutiben@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> All,<br>
><br>
> Aziz has come up with a good idea. It is also timely. Please follow the<br>
> link below and you'll see that we are in a critical time for transparency<br>
> and accountability. I suggest that we draft something in line with the<br>
> letter sent by all the other ICANN communities.<br>
><br>
> I will be willing to be part of the drafting team.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Ben<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140828_icann_community_issues_letter_questioning_icann_accountability/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140828_icann_community_issues_letter_questioning_icann_accountability/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 2014-08-24 21:37 GMT+01:00 Aziz Hilali <<a href="mailto:hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr">hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr</a>>:<br>
><br>
>> [English]<br>
>><br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>><br>
>> As we have done in previous ICANN meetings, AFRALO will be holding a joint<br>
>> AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting to discuss an issue or topic of interest to our<br>
>> region at the scheduled ICANN 51 meeting in Los Angeles, which takes place<br>
>> from 12-16 October 2014.<br>
>><br>
>> I would like to propose the following topic: "IANA Transition and ICANN<br>
>> Accountability seen by the African Community”<br>
>><br>
>> Please provide your opinion on the choice of this subject and suggest an<br>
>> alternative one in case you think it is more relevant.<br>
>> We would appreciate your proposal, comments and suggestions within a<br>
>> couple of weeks (before September 7, 2014). The theme must have the<br>
>> approval of both AfrICANN and AFRALO lists and should be relevant to the<br>
>> interest of two organizations: AfrICANN and AFRALO.<br>
>><br>
>> This meeting will issue as usual, a "joint statement" to the attention of<br>
>> ICANN. Those who want to participate in the drafting committee are<br>
>> requested to express their interest. The committee will propose to the<br>
>> Community, a draft statement to be discussed at the joint meeting in Los<br>
>> Angeles.<br>
>><br>
>> The AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting has become a tradition that we organize<br>
>> since Brussels. The objective is to express the views of the African ICANN<br>
>> community on current issues that are of interest to our community.<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>> Aziz Hilali<br>
>> AFRALO Chair<br>
>><br>
>> [French]<br>
>><br>
>> Chers tous,<br>
>><br>
>> Comme nous l'avons fait au cours des précédentes réunions de l'ICANN,<br>
>> AFRALO organisera à Los Angeles la réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN pour<br>
>> débattre d’une question ou d’un sujet d'intérêt pour notre région. Je<br>
>> voudrais pour cela vous proposer le thème suivant : «Transition de l’IANA<br>
>> et Redevabilité de l'ICANN vues par la Communauté Africaine»<br>
>><br>
>> Le but de ce courriel est de vous demander votre opinion sur le choix de<br>
>> ce sujet et de bien vouloir le cas échéant proposer un thème que vous<br>
>> pensez être plus pertinent. Prière envoyer vos remarques et propositions<br>
>> dans une quinzaine de jours (avant le 7 septembre 2014). Le sujet choisi<br>
>> devra avoir l’approbation des deux listes AfrICANN et Afralo et devrait<br>
>> prendre en considération l'intérêt de deux organisations: AfrICANN et<br>
>> AFRALO.<br>
>><br>
>> Cette réunion aboutira comme d’habitude à la présentation d'une<br>
>> “déclaration commune” à l’attention de l'ICANN. Les personnes souhaitant<br>
>> participer au comité de rédaction sont priées de le signaler. Ce comité<br>
>> proposera à la Communauté, un projet de déclaration à l'ICANN qui sera<br>
>> discutée à la réunion de Los Angeles.<br>
>><br>
>> Il est à noter que l'intérêt de cette tradition que nous organisons<br>
>> ensemble depuis Bruxelles, est d'exprimer le point de vue de la communauté<br>
>> africaine de l'ICANN sur les questions d'actualité et d'intérêt pour notre<br>
>> communauté.<br>
>><br>
>> Cordialement<br>
>><br>
>> Aziz Hilali<br>
>> Président d’AFRALO<br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
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