<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Very true...but not fair. .</div><div><br></div><div> However. .let us not forget that Africa is part of the global processes. ..one will not wait for our word retrospectively. .We just have to join in this Call to put things right in ICANN for the global community.</div><div>With due respect. </div><div>Yassin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from Samsung Mobile</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> <br>Date:30/08/2014 09:51 (GMT+02:00) <br>To: Ben Fuller <abutiben@gmail.com> <br>Cc: ALAC Afrique <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>,AFRALO <staff@atlarge.icann.org>,afrinic-discuss <afrinic-discuss@afrinic.net>,AfrICANN list <africann@afrinic.net> <br>Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Response to ICANN accountability process - How about Africa? <br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hello Ben, Barrack, all<br><br></div>Just to mention that there are also formal request for reconsideration that has been made by some communities within ICANN<br><br><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-bc-rysg-ncsg-29aug14-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-bc-rysg-ncsg-29aug14-en.pdf</a><br>
<br></div>The question however is whether these will make any difference to a process that has already been put in action to the extent of appointing PEG members. <br><br>Nevertheless it may be good to add to the voice for all its worth<br>
<br></div>Cheers!<br><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Ben Fuller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com" target="_blank">abutiben@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Barrack,<br>
<br>
Its early and cold here in Namibia. :-)<br>
<br>
Let's see what the rest of Africa thinks once they finish breakfast or<br>
their Saturday morning shopping.<br>
<br>
But this is an important issue that will affect us here in Africa.<br>
<br>
Ben<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
<div class=""><div class="h5">wrote:<br>
<br>
> Many thanks Dr. Fuller,<br>
><br>
> I have looked at the text and there is a lot of sense in so far as<br>
> the issues raised by the stakeholders are concerned, they are well<br>
> thought out and articulated, i was just looking at it from another<br>
> perspective.<br>
><br>
> Thank you for the quick turnaround.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> On 8/30/14, Ben Fuller <<a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com">abutiben@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Barrack,<br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps, but we should seriously consider joining all the other<br>
> > communities. Scroll down to the bottom of the article where the full<br>
> text<br>
> > of the joint letter sent to ICANN is posted. We should focus on that<br>
> text.<br>
> ><br>
> > Ben<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Barrack Otieno <<br>
> <a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Hi Dr Fuller,<br>
> >><br>
> >> You raise a very pertinent issue while i am in agreement with you, i<br>
> >> also think we have to be wary of decisions that will over engineer<br>
> >> decision making processes within ICANN since this could result in some<br>
> >> analysis paralysis sort of scenario, what is your take?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Just a thought.<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 8/30/14, Ben Fuller <<a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com">abutiben@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> > All,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Aziz has come up with a good idea. It is also timely. Please follow<br>
> the<br>
> >> > link below and you'll see that we are in a critical time for<br>
> >> > transparency<br>
> >> > and accountability. I suggest that we draft something in line with the<br>
> >> > letter sent by all the other ICANN communities.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I will be willing to be part of the drafting team.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Best,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Ben<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >><br>
> <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140828_icann_community_issues_letter_questioning_icann_accountability/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140828_icann_community_issues_letter_questioning_icann_accountability/</a><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > 2014-08-24 21:37 GMT+01:00 Aziz Hilali <<a href="mailto:hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr">hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr</a>>:<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> >> [English]<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Dear all,<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> As we have done in previous ICANN meetings, AFRALO will be holding a<br>
> >> joint<br>
> >> >> AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting to discuss an issue or topic of interest to<br>
> >> >> our<br>
> >> >> region at the scheduled ICANN 51 meeting in Los Angeles, which takes<br>
> >> place<br>
> >> >> from 12-16 October 2014.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> I would like to propose the following topic: "IANA Transition and<br>
> >> >> ICANN<br>
> >> >> Accountability seen by the African Community”<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Please provide your opinion on the choice of this subject and suggest<br>
> >> >> an<br>
> >> >> alternative one in case you think it is more relevant.<br>
> >> >> We would appreciate your proposal, comments and suggestions within a<br>
> >> >> couple of weeks (before September 7, 2014). The theme must have the<br>
> >> >> approval of both AfrICANN and AFRALO lists and should be relevant to<br>
> >> >> the<br>
> >> >> interest of two organizations: AfrICANN and AFRALO.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> This meeting will issue as usual, a "joint statement" to the<br>
> attention<br>
> >> of<br>
> >> >> ICANN. Those who want to participate in the drafting committee are<br>
> >> >> requested to express their interest. The committee will propose to<br>
> the<br>
> >> >> Community, a draft statement to be discussed at the joint meeting in<br>
> >> >> Los<br>
> >> >> Angeles.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> The AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting has become a tradition that we<br>
> >> organize<br>
> >> >> since Brussels. The objective is to express the views of the African<br>
> >> ICANN<br>
> >> >> community on current issues that are of interest to our community.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Best Regards<br>
> >> >> Aziz Hilali<br>
> >> >> AFRALO Chair<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> [French]<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Chers tous,<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Comme nous l'avons fait au cours des précédentes réunions de l'ICANN,<br>
> >> >> AFRALO organisera à Los Angeles la réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN<br>
> >> pour<br>
> >> >> débattre d’une question ou d’un sujet d'intérêt pour notre région. Je<br>
> >> >> voudrais pour cela vous proposer le thème suivant : «Transition de<br>
> >> l’IANA<br>
> >> >> et Redevabilité de l'ICANN vues par la Communauté Africaine»<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Le but de ce courriel est de vous demander votre opinion sur le choix<br>
> >> >> de<br>
> >> >> ce sujet et de bien vouloir le cas échéant proposer un thème que vous<br>
> >> >> pensez être plus pertinent. Prière envoyer vos remarques et<br>
> >> >> propositions<br>
> >> >> dans une quinzaine de jours (avant le 7 septembre 2014). Le sujet<br>
> >> >> choisi<br>
> >> >> devra avoir l’approbation des deux listes AfrICANN et Afralo et<br>
> >> >> devrait<br>
> >> >> prendre en considération l'intérêt de deux organisations: AfrICANN et<br>
> >> >> AFRALO.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Cette réunion aboutira comme d’habitude à la présentation d'une<br>
> >> >> “déclaration commune” à l’attention de l'ICANN. Les personnes<br>
> >> >> souhaitant<br>
> >> >> participer au comité de rédaction sont priées de le signaler. Ce<br>
> >> >> comité<br>
> >> >> proposera à la Communauté, un projet de déclaration à l'ICANN qui<br>
> sera<br>
> >> >> discutée à la réunion de Los Angeles.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Il est à noter que l'intérêt de cette tradition que nous organisons<br>
> >> >> ensemble depuis Bruxelles, est d'exprimer le point de vue de la<br>
> >> communauté<br>
> >> >> africaine de l'ICANN sur les questions d'actualité et d'intérêt pour<br>
> >> notre<br>
> >> >> communauté.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Cordialement<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Aziz Hilali<br>
> >> >> Président d’AFRALO<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> _______________________________________________<br>
> >> >> AfrICANN mailing list<br>
> >> >> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>
> >> >> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > --<br>
> >> > **********************************************<br>
> >> > Dr. Ben Fuller<br>
> >> > <a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com">abutiben@gmail.com</a><br>
> >> > <a href="mailto:ben@fuller.na">ben@fuller.na</a> <a href="http://www.fuller.na" target="_blank">http://www.fuller.na</a><br>
> >> > blog: <a href="http://www.fuller.na/" target="_blank">http://www.fuller.na/</a> skype: drbenfuller<br>
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> >> --<br>
> >> Barrack O. Otieno<br>
> >> <a href="tel:%2B254721325277" value="+254721325277">+254721325277</a><br>
> >> <a href="tel:%2B254-20-2498789" value="+254202498789">+254-20-2498789</a><br>
> >> Skype: barrack.otieno<br>
> >> <a href="http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/</a><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > **********************************************<br>
> > Dr. Ben Fuller<br>
> > <a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com">abutiben@gmail.com</a><br>
> > <a href="mailto:ben@fuller.na">ben@fuller.na</a> <a href="http://www.fuller.na" target="_blank">http://www.fuller.na</a><br>
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> > *****************************************<br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Barrack O. Otieno<br>
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> Skype: barrack.otieno<br>
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><br>
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<i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">web: </span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Mobile: <a value="+2348035233535">+2348035233535</a></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><br></i><i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank"> </a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><br>
<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br></blockquote></blockquote></font><br></div>
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